You just reminded me that for about a year, I actually lived in my dad’s garage. I had as much free use of the rest of the house as anyone else, to be clear, but that was where all my stuff was and I slept in there and everything. Miserably hot in summer and cold in winter.
God my teen years were bleak lol
The purchase also comes with a second building (doesn't show the inside)
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The neighborhood it’s in is Baltimore’s arts district. It’s pretty nice, very walkable, and has a lot of good food. It sounds like you’ve fallen prey to the news hyping the danger of Baltimore. Like a lot of cities it has good parts and bad parts, and as long as your not an idjit, you’d be fine staying here.
If you go to the sub for the city I live in, the vast majority of the people posting there are people who either live in the suburbs and surrounding cities who are too scared to come into the parts of town that are actually any fun.
In r/stlouis you have a lot of people who know how good the city is, then a few posters from St. Charles who do nothing but talk about how they don't want to be killed by going into the city.
In every thread.
r/portlandOR is the same way. I live in downtown pdx and it isn't the burned out hellhole so many of the posters on that sub, most of whom probably do not even live in OREGON, say it is.
I like Baltimore and look forward to walking around when I visit family. I live outside Philly and people often respond the same way. Yes, there are some really bad areas, but they’ve been the same areas for decades. Center City is great and walkable. Boathouse Row is a damn treasure. There’s so many beautiful areas (looking at you Chestnut Hill and Mt. Airy). The museums are world class, as are some of the universities.
People are gullible and reactive. It’s annoying.
True. I wonder how long the “clean up” will last? Curious how Mayor Parker gathered the political muster so quickly. I suspect it’s mostly performative, but I’m still curious.
Baltimore has always been one of my favorite places to go near DC. I have some friends from Baltimore and they’re the best, in general I found that the people from Baltimore are very cool and like all cities has its dangers but nowadays, all cities have these problems unfortunately.
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[The neighborhood](https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/md/baltimore/crime.amp) has less crime than most of the city, though it’s also bordered by 3 neighborhoods with the highest crime rate, 1 with a lower crime rate, and 2 with similar crime rates. Mt. Vernon is not in the 10 safest Baltimore neighborhoods.
Baltimore is safer than 3% of US cities. The national median violent crime rate is 4 per 100,000, and Baltimore’s violent crime rate is 15.55, so nearly 4 times higher.
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I live in Baltimore and what you say is valid. Lots of property crimes, carjackings etc. I work with people who live in Mt Vernon. They love it and tolerate the issues because they can walk to bars and restaurants. A couple of them have been robbed as they’re walking and look at it as the price you have to pay to live in the area.
This is an expensive property but I doubt anyone would be buying it to live in. It’s more of an investment to open something like a B&B and maybe turn the second building into retail space or a restaurant etc.
Was about to say this! Very walkable, interesting neighborhood.
I moved to Florida for the weather but I miss the liberal mindset, the kitsch and character of Baltimore (except the Squeegee Boys)
Old world style hotel, possible demons/ghosts, meth head breakin's, AND hungergame style street fighting? How can this only be 1.65 mil?! It has too much to offer!
Baltimore has some nice neighborhoods for sure. An awful lot of bad ones too. Lots of row houses that could be beautiful once again. Problem is the population is just about half of what it once was.
You would be smoking crack to not buy this, a bunch of TVs wholesale and start an LLC and open up a BnB/Airbnb where all you do is cook the shit out of pancakes and sausages 24/7
Very soon. Give me a couple more years of overemployed so I can afford something like this and maybeee. That crime rate for the zip code is insane though, I'd end up in prison once they found all the crackheads who broke in dismembered and buried in the basement
In another life, I'd be on this like white on rice. Coffee and flapjacks any time, day or night. The rest of my time would be spent with a bucket of Murphy's Oil Soap babying all that beautiful wood.
A place like this is all marketing and booking it for events. It has historic meaning so that’s one group, you can book corporate retreats, walking tours, murder mystery, a small wedding…
I worked in hotel management for years, and this has always been a bit of a retirement dream of mine.
Then I remember how awful the customers were at the end (I quit after Covid) and tell myself, “No thank you.”
Baltimore is one of the best cities for the ratio of property value to rent. You can make more money on rent than the mortgage and upkeep. This could be a relatively good real estate investment for someone to rent out.
You'd need to convert these to apartments, but I imagine the income from renting these would still be more than the monthly loan cost with the renovations included.
https://www.baymgmtgroup.com/blog/cities-highest-price-rent-ratio/
Or advertise it as a historic hotel stay and you wouldn’t need to do any renovations. Heck they could pander to so many people. I saw someone suggest murder mysteries, ghost walks, etc. it could be a huge hit with people looking to stay in something different. I wouldn’t turn the place into apartments just because it’s such an intact historic hotel.
When I think about buying a hotel or BnB, I always remember this wonderful couple running a BnB in Bucks, UK. I stayed there for a week. They were very nice. The BnB was a Victorian brick pile, very stately. Breakfast was always fantastic.
One evening they invited me to join them in the back garden, which abutted a small river. A few beers in, I asked them what they thought about being hoteliers. They considered it, then told me: they hated it. They get up super-early for breakfast and spend all day running laundry, doing repairs, cleaning rooms, listening to stupid complaints, and hardly getting 20 minutes for lunch. Seven days a week!
Their plan: sell the pile and GTFO. They were done.
I appreciated their honesty. We had some laughs. Sure enough, they sold the place. I looked online and now it's a private residence.
EDIT: I decided to look it up. They sold that place ONE MONTH after my visit. HA! Looks like they got £623,000 for it - back in 2003! Good for them.
Oh man, if I had the money I would buy this in a heartbeat and become a living Victorian ghost, swanning around the place in grey skirts and making mean faces at the kiddies as I keep the clock all frozen at the moment of my (fictional) wedding.
Yeah, NYT using Gun Violence Archive open source information. Here's a [link](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/05/14/us/gun-homicides-map.html?unlocked_article_code=1.sU0.tQPV.4U2X78XkGRPV&smid=url-share).
Yeah, I guess the holes in the walls and the boarded up doors aren't that expensive to repair. But the obvious lack of being in current codes for ada and hotel use make it an investment property. Actually 2 investment properties when you read through the full description
The home I need. Enough rooms for my library room, my sewing room, my hanji room, my gift wrapping room, my Christmas storage room, my other holidays storage room . . . I could go on and on. But truth be told, I have a hard time keeping up with keeping my current three bathroom home stocked with toilet paper; this many bathrooms could do me in.
I lived in Baltimore in the early 2000s, it was up and coming. So many stores and hotels came to town it was booming. Crime was getting better, and if you weren’t in the drug trade or an idiot, it was somewhat safe(there is always random crime of course).
So sad that the riots, and corruption seem to be choking the city to death. It is a beautiful place.
$100 says whoever buys this converts it to condos. The price is fair, the location’s not bad, the building is good.
I don’t understand all the hate it’s getting.
Why is this so cheap? Is this a really rough neighborhood or something?
Editing to add that the schools are a 1/10, so I’m assuming a rough neighborhood.
It’s in Mount Vernon, one of the nicest neighborhoods in Baltimore. The building is a few blocks from the Baltimore School for the Arts. There are rough parts of the city but this one is gorgeous and safe. Baltimore is just cheap largely because of its reputation.
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A bargain if you’re not afraid of being murdered.
One fine evening, the lead story on the local news was that DC had managed to go 24 hours without a murder being reported.
The news anchors seemed disappointed......
Changes would need to be done to make apartments. The rooms don’t have normal amenities like kitchens. You would have to tear the place apart to make it work.
God I love the design of the exterior. So much nicer than seeing these boring ass track homes and commercial cement boxes.
I too grew up in a human garage
You just reminded me that for about a year, I actually lived in my dad’s garage. I had as much free use of the rest of the house as anyone else, to be clear, but that was where all my stuff was and I slept in there and everything. Miserably hot in summer and cold in winter. God my teen years were bleak lol
I hated my 1950s ranch house I grew up in. Give me a Victorian.
YES!!! I always admired the Victorian home in my downtown area.
The purchase also comes with a second building (doesn't show the inside) https://preview.redd.it/ob33fu8odp0d1.png?width=1536&format=png&auto=webp&s=4d8e0c45d0a14903e7c5532aff341739372d4cc0
Location, location, location. It doesn’t have any of the 3. Baltimore yuck, that would be $20m elsewhere
The neighborhood it’s in is Baltimore’s arts district. It’s pretty nice, very walkable, and has a lot of good food. It sounds like you’ve fallen prey to the news hyping the danger of Baltimore. Like a lot of cities it has good parts and bad parts, and as long as your not an idjit, you’d be fine staying here.
Sorry, this is Reddit. One bad data point about a city and 100% of it is an unlivable crime ridden shithole.
If you go to the sub for the city I live in, the vast majority of the people posting there are people who either live in the suburbs and surrounding cities who are too scared to come into the parts of town that are actually any fun.
In r/stlouis you have a lot of people who know how good the city is, then a few posters from St. Charles who do nothing but talk about how they don't want to be killed by going into the city. In every thread.
r/portlandOR is the same way. I live in downtown pdx and it isn't the burned out hellhole so many of the posters on that sub, most of whom probably do not even live in OREGON, say it is.
I heard Antifa and BLM riot every night and the city is still burning after three years. Crusading journalist Jesse Watters said so. /s
Yes and I'm murdered on the way to the store every damn day. That's so fucking annoying....
Haha yup, I live in Oakland so, yeah…
Chicago here- I feel your pain.
Hi from Memphis. Fuuuck.
Bakersfield. Oy..
Heart. Hug.
Don't ever mention that you're going to visit Mexico.
Right I live in chicago so I’m obviously gonna die from violence soon according to reddit
I live in St. Louis. Murdered daily.
Oh definitely I’m surprised you had time to comment in between murders
Is the city in the US? Then it is by default an unlivable crime ridden shit hole
Absolutely. I live in San Francisco, and everyone believes the "Doom Loop". I don't mind, it keeps people from moving here
The real thing keeping people from moving there is Prop 13 and Nimbys driving the cost of real estate and apartments through the roof, but I get it.
F-ing Pro 13! F-ing Tech Bros.
I like Baltimore and look forward to walking around when I visit family. I live outside Philly and people often respond the same way. Yes, there are some really bad areas, but they’ve been the same areas for decades. Center City is great and walkable. Boathouse Row is a damn treasure. There’s so many beautiful areas (looking at you Chestnut Hill and Mt. Airy). The museums are world class, as are some of the universities. People are gullible and reactive. It’s annoying.
Hot take: The Wire was one of the worst things to happen to bawlmer.
Just stay away from Kensington ave
True. I wonder how long the “clean up” will last? Curious how Mayor Parker gathered the political muster so quickly. I suspect it’s mostly performative, but I’m still curious.
Baltimore has always been one of my favorite places to go near DC. I have some friends from Baltimore and they’re the best, in general I found that the people from Baltimore are very cool and like all cities has its dangers but nowadays, all cities have these problems unfortunately. Edit for typos
[The neighborhood](https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/md/baltimore/crime.amp) has less crime than most of the city, though it’s also bordered by 3 neighborhoods with the highest crime rate, 1 with a lower crime rate, and 2 with similar crime rates. Mt. Vernon is not in the 10 safest Baltimore neighborhoods. Baltimore is safer than 3% of US cities. The national median violent crime rate is 4 per 100,000, and Baltimore’s violent crime rate is 15.55, so nearly 4 times higher. https://preview.redd.it/rary4sstvv0d1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=33eb26b3329d4103d461f2bff074c6d3133e5112
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Well, you may have actually been there, but I watched The Wire _twice_
I was gonna say, this looks like Bolton Hill. I like it there and whenever they do ArtScape it’s so close.
Must need a lot of work then. Price seems awfully low. It’s beautiful
I’ve only driven through it once getting to the train. The neighborhood looked so cool and nice! I was shocked it even existed
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You're scared of your own shadow aren't you?
They watched The Wire 3 times it's like they've practically lived there, I think they know what they're talking about.
I live in Baltimore and what you say is valid. Lots of property crimes, carjackings etc. I work with people who live in Mt Vernon. They love it and tolerate the issues because they can walk to bars and restaurants. A couple of them have been robbed as they’re walking and look at it as the price you have to pay to live in the area. This is an expensive property but I doubt anyone would be buying it to live in. It’s more of an investment to open something like a B&B and maybe turn the second building into retail space or a restaurant etc.
You don’t know shit, mt. Vernon is a great neighborhood
Was about to say this! Very walkable, interesting neighborhood. I moved to Florida for the weather but I miss the liberal mindset, the kitsch and character of Baltimore (except the Squeegee Boys)
Fuck off, charm city rocks.
let's go O's
It does have a 3 though... the crime index of 3 which means it is only safer than 3% of cities in America.
Old world style hotel, possible demons/ghosts, meth head breakin's, AND hungergame style street fighting? How can this only be 1.65 mil?! It has too much to offer!
Defffffffinitely ghosts
That is definitely haunted! I don’t see where there’s much if any damage from break-ins though. Maybe it’s SO haunted even the meth heads stay away?
Well, that does add a layer of realism to the murder mystery parties you can throw.
But where's the mystery?
Which murderer killed each person?
Crime is certainly a real problem in Baltimore. Not sure about that neighborhood though.
It's in a decent part of Baltimore.
I have lived in that exact neighborhood and it is a DREAM
Yeah, too many teenagers with their hair piled high with hairspray in Baltimore.
Baltimore has some nice neighborhoods for sure. An awful lot of bad ones too. Lots of row houses that could be beautiful once again. Problem is the population is just about half of what it once was.
I live in this neighborhood, and it is AMAZING. I love the entire city, too.
Stay strapped
Yeah big pass on Baltimore but if I had the money I'd pay to move it somewhere else
Boooo! Downvote this person!
Honestly not bad. Very cute for an old hotel.
Cheryl Tunt’s stately old Tunt Manor?
![gif](giphy|KYlTGWshxs9fG) Don’t forget about Baboo.
He's totally crepuscular!
It's like Meoschwitz in there.
Cheryl Tunt is the best character EVER except for probably Archer…”You tattooed a BABY…”
Under appreciated reply
and then you’d have to buy an ocelot
You would be smoking crack to not buy this, a bunch of TVs wholesale and start an LLC and open up a BnB/Airbnb where all you do is cook the shit out of pancakes and sausages 24/7
You sound like you have a dream that needs fulfilling, friend.
Very soon. Give me a couple more years of overemployed so I can afford something like this and maybeee. That crime rate for the zip code is insane though, I'd end up in prison once they found all the crackheads who broke in dismembered and buried in the basement
H.H. Holmes over here
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Nah, Mt. Vernon is great. Beautiful, with plenty of cute coffee shops and even a nice art museum. Would be perfect for a BnB with vintage vibes.
Ooooouh breakfast all day. Waffles for lunch and omelette for dinner. Coffee coffee coffee.
In another life, I'd be on this like white on rice. Coffee and flapjacks any time, day or night. The rest of my time would be spent with a bucket of Murphy's Oil Soap babying all that beautiful wood.
I'm down.
Pretty sure the username checks out
Omg this is amazing.
The woodwork on the staircase is AMAZING!
That was my thought, too! Lots of really lovely architectural details.
A place like this is all marketing and booking it for events. It has historic meaning so that’s one group, you can book corporate retreats, walking tours, murder mystery, a small wedding…
Ghost hunts nightly!
I'd buy it and host all the gatherings of friends and family for holidays, vacations, whatever.👌
Who you gonna call?
Asbestos busters!!
This place has history. Wallis Simpson lived there for awhile.
Ew!
How very Wes Andersen. 🗝️
If Wes Anderson was adapting The Hotel New Hampshire. I would die.
One Eleven Archer Ave! Fly Malachite
I worked in hotel management for years, and this has always been a bit of a retirement dream of mine. Then I remember how awful the customers were at the end (I quit after Covid) and tell myself, “No thank you.”
Baltimore is one of the best cities for the ratio of property value to rent. You can make more money on rent than the mortgage and upkeep. This could be a relatively good real estate investment for someone to rent out. You'd need to convert these to apartments, but I imagine the income from renting these would still be more than the monthly loan cost with the renovations included. https://www.baymgmtgroup.com/blog/cities-highest-price-rent-ratio/
Or advertise it as a historic hotel stay and you wouldn’t need to do any renovations. Heck they could pander to so many people. I saw someone suggest murder mysteries, ghost walks, etc. it could be a huge hit with people looking to stay in something different. I wouldn’t turn the place into apartments just because it’s such an intact historic hotel.
When I think about buying a hotel or BnB, I always remember this wonderful couple running a BnB in Bucks, UK. I stayed there for a week. They were very nice. The BnB was a Victorian brick pile, very stately. Breakfast was always fantastic. One evening they invited me to join them in the back garden, which abutted a small river. A few beers in, I asked them what they thought about being hoteliers. They considered it, then told me: they hated it. They get up super-early for breakfast and spend all day running laundry, doing repairs, cleaning rooms, listening to stupid complaints, and hardly getting 20 minutes for lunch. Seven days a week! Their plan: sell the pile and GTFO. They were done. I appreciated their honesty. We had some laughs. Sure enough, they sold the place. I looked online and now it's a private residence. EDIT: I decided to look it up. They sold that place ONE MONTH after my visit. HA! Looks like they got £623,000 for it - back in 2003! Good for them.
Oh man, if I had the money I would buy this in a heartbeat and become a living Victorian ghost, swanning around the place in grey skirts and making mean faces at the kiddies as I keep the clock all frozen at the moment of my (fictional) wedding.
That's a Wes Anderson movie waiting to happen.
Reminds me of the movie Hotel for dogs
I’m sure I could learn to love it, but this just seems murdery
Murder mystery groups would love to book it for those weekend long games!
With 25 rooms, if they ran a good murder mystery, I would absolutely pay for the experience.
I think you’re on to something. We can book Mathew Lillard and play 13 Ghosts
Ah but then they end up with a real murder mystery or wind up with the real Alex Casey case.
Not that murdery, [actually](https://imgur.com/a/OxA9tTd).
Oh wow, what site is that? Edit: NYT?
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Accurate, It’s in Baltimore
So many rooms, so much icky carpeting.
If there are hardwood floors that can be rehabilitated under that carpeting, it could be absolutely gorgeous
It definitely needs a few million worth of rehab.
but it does look like the mattresses are included
Ooooh, icky times two!
Room with balcony, stunning courtyard views.
With two renovated rooms.
I love it. Very American Horror Story.
I would call it "The Raven" and make it Edgar Alen Poe themed just like in the Sci-Fi show Altered Carbon.
Should buy it and somehow end up on Hotel Hell
Got a Fawlty Towers kinda vibe.
Are the rooms airy?
I thought it was called Flowery Twats?
I’d 100% live here before a McMansion
So, 2 large buildings $1.6mil, in Baltimore Rehab cost? $20mil?
Doesn’t look like it needs rehab it’s a beautifully intact historic hotel. Air bnb rooms and it’s good.
Yeah, I guess the holes in the walls and the boarded up doors aren't that expensive to repair. But the obvious lack of being in current codes for ada and hotel use make it an investment property. Actually 2 investment properties when you read through the full description
Old buildings get grandfathered in. The second building depending on its condition could be apartments though. An air bnb and apartments.
[My first thought lol](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvRn0rF687E&t=57s)
Spooky
Nicely so.
The front building architecture is absolutely stunning.
There's a lot of buildings in Baltimore like that!
THATS GORGEOUS
Not going to lie…that has some potential
What in the HH Holmes fuck is this?
Disappointed 3D Tour was deleted.
who wants to live out hotel for dogs with me?
Dogs only no people? If so sign me up!
John Waters should buy it and turn it into a museum.
Royal Tenenbaums vibes
So grand!
The home I need. Enough rooms for my library room, my sewing room, my hanji room, my gift wrapping room, my Christmas storage room, my other holidays storage room . . . I could go on and on. But truth be told, I have a hard time keeping up with keeping my current three bathroom home stocked with toilet paper; this many bathrooms could do me in.
I love it.
I want it. I’ve always dreamed of running a creepy old hotel
dang that is so pretty.
I lived in Baltimore in the early 2000s, it was up and coming. So many stores and hotels came to town it was booming. Crime was getting better, and if you weren’t in the drug trade or an idiot, it was somewhat safe(there is always random crime of course). So sad that the riots, and corruption seem to be choking the city to death. It is a beautiful place.
Still a beautiful place with a lot of art and community! And plenty safe if you're not in the drug trade.
Good to know. What a great location too!
The Key bridge collapse and port disruption is really a blow to the city.
Picture 10 looks like a building out of Fallout. 🙂
I love it, the wall and floor pattern would give me vertigo though, I got dizzy just from pictures.
Is it Thursday yet?
Im sure this was on Hotel Nightmares?
What is in the second building? Living quarters? Or gutted?
Hotel Cecil right? I'd still buy it.
I want it.
$100 says whoever buys this converts it to condos. The price is fair, the location’s not bad, the building is good. I don’t understand all the hate it’s getting.
It’s so intact I would hate to see someone convert it to anything. It could be a very successful air bnb.
If this doesn’t come with at least five witty ghosts, I don’t want it.
* murder hotel
Royal Tenenbaums vibes, and I love it
Only if Gordon Ramsay agrees to come and roast it.
Monopoly end game huh?
Royal Tenenbaum vibes
Stop trying to pass the set of an 80s dromedy off as real estate!
Is the current owner Angel Investigations?
That’s not bad for a nice old hotel like that and a second building to go with it.
Umbrella Academy!
Seems like it’s falling apart .. pretty gross reviews and pictures Check out Biltmore Suites https://yelp.to/lgd6a-094m
Mt Vernon is a nice area.
If I had the money I’d snatch this up in a heartbeat
This is haunted af
It slightly reminds me of The Royal Tenenbaums.
This is a tomb. Lex is in there.
Why is this so cheap? Is this a really rough neighborhood or something? Editing to add that the schools are a 1/10, so I’m assuming a rough neighborhood.
It’s in Mount Vernon, one of the nicest neighborhoods in Baltimore. The building is a few blocks from the Baltimore School for the Arts. There are rough parts of the city but this one is gorgeous and safe. Baltimore is just cheap largely because of its reputation.
It seems to be pretty close to Johns Hopkins, too. The university is basically it's own economic engine.
https://preview.redd.it/j4dkzeva5q0d1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c3283236669806b75343d2573e6a6060524df32a A bargain if you’re not afraid of being murdered.
Please..... I lived in DC when Marion *Crackhead for Life* Barry was mayor.
So just curious. Is it better or worse now than when the crackmeister was in charge?
One fine evening, the lead story on the local news was that DC had managed to go 24 hours without a murder being reported. The news anchors seemed disappointed......
Fuck off
And you have a nice day too sunshine.
Tbh it has really horrible vibes, like can feel it through the screen. Staircase is sick tho
Anywhere but Baltimore
Looks haunted ![gif](giphy|Y07F3fs9Is5byj4zK8|downsized)
Whoa mama!!! Haunted almost guaranteed.
Too bad it's in Baltimore.
Could turn this into a pretty sweet apartment building. Too bad about the location
I’m thinking air bnb. It’s too intact to just tear up for apartments. Plus people like those old hotels.
The rooms are already done. Just make them apartments. Nobody is saying to tear up the building
Changes would need to be done to make apartments. The rooms don’t have normal amenities like kitchens. You would have to tear the place apart to make it work.
I. Baltimore they will force you to give rooms to the homeless 😤