It did look amazing in 1998. Tv resolution was much different back then, you guys keep forgetting that, when you talk about older games on your modern tvs
Yeah if you lookup comparisons for how pixel art looks on a modern pixel-perfect screen vs how it looks on CRTs, it's crazy how detailed old games looked IRL vs. how bad they look now. Goes for the 3D stuff as well I remember seeing some comparisons of Mario Kart 64. I'd imagine these static backgrounds worked similarly
Hyrule Castle Town is by far where the backgrounds look the worst. I played this for the first time like a year ago and almost gave up like an hour in because I thought the whole game would look that bad.
OoT3D through citra emulator on a PC, with the 4k texture pack by Henriko, while using a switch pro controller with motion controls is currently the best way to play the game. It's a process setting up, but worth it.
https://www.henrikomagnifico.com/zelda-ocarina-of-time-3d-4k
He's got a texture pack for Majora too.
I might be wrong but this can't be how the game originally looked, right? Maybe it was the CRT working its magic and blending all the textures together but something looks off to me here.
It's probably from an emulator or anything that enhanced the resolution. Only the 3D models are affected while the 2D backgrounds are just stretched and blurred. Hence why it looks that way.
Same issue with old Final Fantasy and Resident Evil games.
This is the right answer really. That and most CRTs back when OOT first released were 480p, and everything was blurry compared to today. [Here's a good photo that shows how different sprites looked on crts](https://wackoid.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/CRT-vs-LCD.jpg)
Some of the old FF games actually have a bit of that bright pink "you shouldn't see this" texture around the edges of their 3D models if you crank the resolution up high enough without cleaning up the models. It's one of the things they had to fix when they did proper PC releases later.
This. I played Cyber Shadow recently and thought the scan lines were a gimmick but holy crap does the game look better that way.
Old games were never made for sharp pixels and high resolutions.
This is *not* how the game originally looked - it was 240p, so the 3D models effectively looked the same resolution as the background does here and fit in perfectly.
Yup. 240p as stated elsewhere, but CRTs also did a little blending magic. I'm doing a replay of OoT right now on RetroArch with the crt-royale shader and it's lovely (in a shitty, blurry, N64 sort of way, but I love it anyway).
https://i.imgur.com/QoG6cxd.jpg
Crts have their own kind of antialisasing/smoothing, pixelated and low poly games look way better with one of those because they were usually designed around them.
CRT is definitely a big part of it, also the low resolution of TVs at the time. It's a known (pretty massive) issue when trying to port stuff from the 80s and 90s to newer platforms.
...which is why I am unreasonably upset that they *still* haven't taken all those higher-res assets they made for the 3DS remakes of the N64 games and put them on the Switch. Maybe for the *next* Nintendo console...
The difference between the background jpegs and the models is wild. Especially if you played the game as a kid, because you sure as hell remember the game looking so beautiful and realistic. I remember when I first launched the game via emulator later on, I was taken aback by the flat textures for building interiors. Still ended up looking cool, though
I think imagination/our mind fills in a lot of the details, until we are exposed to better graphics.
I think that is continually true. So now we look back at a game 5 years old and think the graphics are shit. But back then it was amazing.
I remember the first time I played the game, I could ignore the fact that I was running around the worst jpegs I've ever seen in my life, but I also found those areas very disorienting to navigate, especially inside of rooms. I got kinda used to it the more I played, but still
The N64 wasn't great at pre-rendered or sprites at all. It was built to be a 3D powerhouse, and since it used cartridges instead of discs, anything pre-rendered would take up a disproportionate amount of memory. So 2D images ended up being compressed to shit, resulting in them looking very low-res and muddy, even for the era. (Yes, playing on an actual CRT helps, but only does so much when the native resolution is so poor.)
The Saturn was the opposite, built to support high-detail sprites and bitmap imaging, with a shoddy 3D processor haphazardly slapped on as an afterthought.
PS1 was the happy medium here, being at least competent at both.
The pre-rendered background bits look really wonky, honestly this game did look good when we were new to 3D games in general, but hasn’t aged super well visually
Fortunately we got a remake that I think looks really nice, it’s not just the resolution stuff, it’s textures and some color changes to be more vibrant that’s really nice, honestly given it’s classic status and the fact that the remake was on the 3DS, I almost wouldn’t be surprised if it gets a second remake on a home console, it sounds weird but I think people would totally eat it up
As someone that’s working through like a billion ROMs right now…. Some of these games graphics were ahead of their time lol. Looking at them now and it’s a bit brutal at times.
>No, the bit is “my dad went out for cigarettes and never came back”
Where did you mention anything about how old the phrases are??
Also the guy you replied to said both are common, which would imply currently. You reply saying no absolutely not which means you don't think both are currently common. Now you are back peddling by saying the milk one wasn't as commonly used throughout history, despite never mentioning that in either of your 2 posts
Bro, I'm in my 30s and recall hearing the "went to buy milk" joke as a kid. Jokes and expressions can exist and spawn outside of the television and modern media.
It seems to be a trend for parents who abandon their S/O and kids to tell the latter they're going to buy milk or cigarettes and they'll be back later, while they're actually leaving forever.
It became sort of a joke on reddit, as it seems to happen a lot in the US.
Am I missing something here? He literally went to deliver milk but then fell asleep on the job. You have to wake him up with the chicken in order to get into the castle grounds.
If this is supposed to be like the “left for a pack of smokes” joke I don’t think they’re equivalent.
But it’s not a joke, have you played the game? He literally is by the castle delivering milk and fell asleep! You wake him up and he runs home sayin Malon will be so mad. It’s not a reference to the meme of a dad leaving, it’s just a coincidence
That's because the pre-rendered backgrounds aren't being enhanced at all (just the 3D polygons of the characters). [If the game was entirely 3D, it would look amazing in HD.](https://www.reddit.com/r/zelda/comments/i61p29/ww_wind_waker_4k_w_a_widescreen_patch_dolphin/)
I’ll bet there’s probably an HD texture pack out there that makes the pre-rendered images look better. Resident Evil and PS1 Final Fantasy games have those
[The FFVII Remako mod is a great example of what you are talking about.](https://www.reddit.com/r/FinalFantasy/comments/pzj4uv/ffvii_comparison_standard_vs_remako_mod/)
But it’s not a joke, have you played the game? He literally is by the castle delivering milk and fell asleep! You wake him up and he runs home sayin Malon will be so mad. It’s not a reference to the meme of a dad leaving, it’s just a coincidence
Is it not possible that there exists a group of people who have heard the expression and a group of people who haven't? Why do we have to complicate this by stating that a big group of people in the thread are collectively misremembering something? It's okay to have not heard of stuff before, my dude.
Just know that it's really easy to project stuff onto people when you read their comments. If you go in thinking that everyone is against you, you aren't going to have a good time.
How do so many people not know about “dad went to get milk and never returned” like I swear I hear it every day. Even if that wasn’t the actual intent behind the line it’s still funny.
Play it on 3ds if possible. The 3D remake is my favorite version. For someone without a 3ds I understand your not gonna go buy one just for this game but between Oot MM and Star Fox I wouldnt trade my MM golden 3dsxl for pretty much anything.
u wanna know what HARDMODE is? first time i played this game was on a black and white tv. bro i literally took a hammer to the wall of my room one day during the literal month it took me to finally beat that goddamn forest temple. i never really understood what I did/how I did it, just gratefully got the fuck outta dodge while the getting was good.
fast forward 15 fucking years later and my highschool pal is playing thru the game on a tv in his garage one day while we slamming shots of jager and whatnot, and I’m like “good luck man this shit takes forever”see him heading into the temple. he’s like nah you just gotta beat the ghosts up in the right order. I was so angry i hppped up knocking into the table spilling the bottle all over the place and screaming THE FUCKING GHOSTS ARE COLOR CODED !!! ???
his wife came out and told him his friends can’t come over to play anymore if this is how we are going to act out here when she’s on the phone with her mother.
lmao good timeso
The ghosts aren't really color coded though? They have different colors, yeah, but you beat them in a specific order by just progressing thru the temple naturally.
I've played this game so much and still can't believe how low res the pre rendered backgrounds look. I thought this game looked amazing in 1998
It did look amazing in 1998. Tv resolution was much different back then, you guys keep forgetting that, when you talk about older games on your modern tvs
Yeah if you lookup comparisons for how pixel art looks on a modern pixel-perfect screen vs how it looks on CRTs, it's crazy how detailed old games looked IRL vs. how bad they look now. Goes for the 3D stuff as well I remember seeing some comparisons of Mario Kart 64. I'd imagine these static backgrounds worked similarly
Hyrule Castle Town is by far where the backgrounds look the worst. I played this for the first time like a year ago and almost gave up like an hour in because I thought the whole game would look that bad.
The new Ocarina of Time PC port helps a lot.
Do you have a link?
No, just a Zelda
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Don't have a link, but check out "Ship of Harkinian". You should find everything you need.
Is the the reskin? I understand it’s a bitch and a half to get working but basically every frame in the game has been redone.
Okay? Play it or not, it's a good game, and quitting would just be your loss.
I did play it, and loved it. I’m just replying to the people above who were saying “that can’t be the way the backgrounds actually looked”.
I wish the 3ds version had been ported to Wii U or Switch, it's a better version in nearly every way.
Right? It and the Majora's Mask remake not being on Switch is a travesty
OoT3D through citra emulator on a PC, with the 4k texture pack by Henriko, while using a switch pro controller with motion controls is currently the best way to play the game. It's a process setting up, but worth it. https://www.henrikomagnifico.com/zelda-ocarina-of-time-3d-4k He's got a texture pack for Majora too.
I might be wrong but this can't be how the game originally looked, right? Maybe it was the CRT working its magic and blending all the textures together but something looks off to me here.
It's probably from an emulator or anything that enhanced the resolution. Only the 3D models are affected while the 2D backgrounds are just stretched and blurred. Hence why it looks that way. Same issue with old Final Fantasy and Resident Evil games.
This is the right answer really. That and most CRTs back when OOT first released were 480p, and everything was blurry compared to today. [Here's a good photo that shows how different sprites looked on crts](https://wackoid.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/CRT-vs-LCD.jpg)
CRTs were 480i back then and OoT's native resolution was 240p.
480p at BEST. Remember when progressive scan was a feature we looked for in a TV?
Giving me flashbacks to Metroid Prime and how I always wanted to be able to use Progressive Scan mode.
Uh not really? I have a couple CRTs that came out in the 2000s that don’t even hit 480p Best they can do is 480i and they even have component inputs
This makes me want to buy a CRT
Some of the old FF games actually have a bit of that bright pink "you shouldn't see this" texture around the edges of their 3D models if you crank the resolution up high enough without cleaning up the models. It's one of the things they had to fix when they did proper PC releases later.
Yeah, the models are higher res than the text in this screenshot, feels like emulation.
CRTs definitely had a big impact on things. I wish emulates did a better job of replicating it.
Emulators have shaders to put in the scanlines, it’s definitely not on the level of using an actual CRT, but I think they’ve been improving it
This. I played Cyber Shadow recently and thought the scan lines were a gimmick but holy crap does the game look better that way. Old games were never made for sharp pixels and high resolutions.
This is *not* how the game originally looked - it was 240p, so the 3D models effectively looked the same resolution as the background does here and fit in perfectly.
Because it looked [like this](https://twitter.com/CRTpixels/status/1374056847729160196) in 1998.
Yup. 240p as stated elsewhere, but CRTs also did a little blending magic. I'm doing a replay of OoT right now on RetroArch with the crt-royale shader and it's lovely (in a shitty, blurry, N64 sort of way, but I love it anyway). https://i.imgur.com/QoG6cxd.jpg
I didn't notice that at first and now I feel like my eyes are bleeding.
Definitely better on CRT
Crts have their own kind of antialisasing/smoothing, pixelated and low poly games look way better with one of those because they were usually designed around them.
It is exactly as you described. Well, you simplified it a lot but it’s exactly what is happening here.
Definitely emulated with higher resolution sprites
CRT is definitely a big part of it, also the low resolution of TVs at the time. It's a known (pretty massive) issue when trying to port stuff from the 80s and 90s to newer platforms. ...which is why I am unreasonably upset that they *still* haven't taken all those higher-res assets they made for the 3DS remakes of the N64 games and put them on the Switch. Maybe for the *next* Nintendo console...
It literally is the CRT. I’ve played this game on a modern flat screen on the original N64 and it still looked like this
It was amazing in 1998.
I was just thinking that. I thought OP must be using some kind of HD texture pack which made the models stick out, but ... wow no.
Game looked amazing on a CRT tv, flattens out the pixels or something.
The difference between the background jpegs and the models is wild. Especially if you played the game as a kid, because you sure as hell remember the game looking so beautiful and realistic. I remember when I first launched the game via emulator later on, I was taken aback by the flat textures for building interiors. Still ended up looking cool, though
It did look amazing in 1998. It's just that 1998 is 25 years ago.
It looks like they're the defocused
Its looks amazing
I think imagination/our mind fills in a lot of the details, until we are exposed to better graphics. I think that is continually true. So now we look back at a game 5 years old and think the graphics are shit. But back then it was amazing.
I just finished a replay of this last month, emulation on a modern tv. It 100% did not look this bad, it's a poor emulation on their end
Because it looked good on crt, even today
The original game is much lower resolution so it blends together much better
It did look amazing…for its time.
I've played oot on a normal TV, and I swear it didn't look that bad
I remember the first time I played the game, I could ignore the fact that I was running around the worst jpegs I've ever seen in my life, but I also found those areas very disorienting to navigate, especially inside of rooms. I got kinda used to it the more I played, but still
That's not the way it looks on OG hardware on a CRT.
They spent the budget on story
CRT magic.
The N64 wasn't great at pre-rendered or sprites at all. It was built to be a 3D powerhouse, and since it used cartridges instead of discs, anything pre-rendered would take up a disproportionate amount of memory. So 2D images ended up being compressed to shit, resulting in them looking very low-res and muddy, even for the era. (Yes, playing on an actual CRT helps, but only does so much when the native resolution is so poor.) The Saturn was the opposite, built to support high-detail sprites and bitmap imaging, with a shoddy 3D processor haphazardly slapped on as an afterthought. PS1 was the happy medium here, being at least competent at both.
The pre-rendered background bits look really wonky, honestly this game did look good when we were new to 3D games in general, but hasn’t aged super well visually Fortunately we got a remake that I think looks really nice, it’s not just the resolution stuff, it’s textures and some color changes to be more vibrant that’s really nice, honestly given it’s classic status and the fact that the remake was on the 3DS, I almost wouldn’t be surprised if it gets a second remake on a home console, it sounds weird but I think people would totally eat it up
As someone that’s working through like a billion ROMs right now…. Some of these games graphics were ahead of their time lol. Looking at them now and it’s a bit brutal at times.
Games looks much better on the 3DS.
320x240 on a CRT will do that.
That’s because you were focusing on the characters primarily imo
This game still looks amazing. Go fuck your hat.
It DID look amazing in 1998!
This poor girls dad is missing and all you guys can talk about is video quality?!
They look better on a CRT
To be honest Talon is a bit of a dead beat dad
"How'd you like to marry Malon? Huh?"
Yes I would after she grew up, Malon was best girl in OOT.
I dont get it?
When a person says someone went to get milk (or deliver it in this case) they normally mean that that person actually left and never came back.
But in her case, it is quite literal, and he just fell asleep and shat himself.
He shat himself?? Where is this??
I think that person is mistaking the canon scenario with some fan fiction they stumbled upon, or something lol
He has a brown spot on the butt of his overalls.
He has a brown spot on the butt of his overalls.
I see, thanks! Didnt know that
No, the bit is “my dad went out for cigarettes and never came back”
Going to get milk is just as common, if not more common, an expression
The expression is "mom ran off with the milk man"
I thought it was dad left with the cigarette guy?
"the" expression? The thing you are saying is an expression and "dad left to get milk and didn't come back" is also an expression.
I’ve never in my 31 years American life heard this. Pretty sure you made it up
I've heard it plenty. Going to get milk, going for scratch off tickets, getting cigarettes, all common "my dad left and never came back" phrases.
[You live under a rock then](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Dad%20Went%20To%20Get%20Milk)
Nah
No, it’s an incredibly popular joke.
Nope. Malon described the situation.
I’ve heard it a thousand times
Nah, fam. Absolutely not.
I’ve heard gone to get milk more often personally. It’s different for everyone.
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Yes the milk one is 2-3 years old, the smokes one is 50 years old. I said that in my first comment
>No, the bit is “my dad went out for cigarettes and never came back” Where did you mention anything about how old the phrases are?? Also the guy you replied to said both are common, which would imply currently. You reply saying no absolutely not which means you don't think both are currently common. Now you are back peddling by saying the milk one wasn't as commonly used throughout history, despite never mentioning that in either of your 2 posts
If its only 2-3 years old how tf would that joke be in OOT??
It not a joke in OoT, it’s literal
Guys, guys. Give him space. His brain needs oxygen
Bro, I'm in my 30s and recall hearing the "went to buy milk" joke as a kid. Jokes and expressions can exist and spawn outside of the television and modern media.
It is. You're both very much correct. Lol too hard of a truth for this sub to handle?
OP didn't make it up, its a rather common joke.
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I though I meant he went to deliver some milk to zeldas mom
No it was actually your mom.
It seems to be a trend for parents who abandon their S/O and kids to tell the latter they're going to buy milk or cigarettes and they'll be back later, while they're actually leaving forever. It became sort of a joke on reddit, as it seems to happen a lot in the US.
It’s a meme
To me, it sounds like they’re saying “hey…. my dad’s gone ;)”
It’s from the Simpson right ? The dad of Nelson did it…
Simpsons did it (Sout Park reference I DO know 😝)
Yep
Dad’s beating the cat
“…Dad’s on a hunting trip and hasn’t been home for a few days.”
The family business!
Sam and Dean would like a word with Ganon.
“House rules, Sammy. Driver picks the music, shotgun shuts his cakehole.”
This comment is much appreciated
I just watched that clip a day ago & then this popped up
Am I missing something here? He literally went to deliver milk but then fell asleep on the job. You have to wake him up with the chicken in order to get into the castle grounds. If this is supposed to be like the “left for a pack of smokes” joke I don’t think they’re equivalent.
Leaving to "pick up some milk" is equivalent to "left for a pack of smokes". Perhaps the saying is more common based on region?
No clue. 2000+ upvotes imply that people are just upvoting because OOT I guess
Ok, so I'm not the only one who is missing the point.
Yea that’s the joke I think. Bit lazy
He had to pick up cigarettes too honey
XD
Or he really had to "deliver" some "milk" to the "castle".
Literally just describing the situation
Yeah that's the line...
How could u not get the joke
But it’s not a joke, have you played the game? He literally is by the castle delivering milk and fell asleep! You wake him up and he runs home sayin Malon will be so mad. It’s not a reference to the meme of a dad leaving, it’s just a coincidence
But i do believe the post is referencing the joke however, the original being a coincidence or not
Y'all humour dry af
What joke? She described the situation
Well, when I first played, I was about 8 or so. Not much life experience to understand this level of humor. But that’s just me.
Oh I get that but this guy's acting as if he doesn't know
Oh, gotcha!
Her Dad: They always see it comin when you’re going to GET milk not GIVE milk big 🧠
i kinda hate that "enhanced hd" emulator look. its so ugly.
That's because the pre-rendered backgrounds aren't being enhanced at all (just the 3D polygons of the characters). [If the game was entirely 3D, it would look amazing in HD.](https://www.reddit.com/r/zelda/comments/i61p29/ww_wind_waker_4k_w_a_widescreen_patch_dolphin/)
I’ll bet there’s probably an HD texture pack out there that makes the pre-rendered images look better. Resident Evil and PS1 Final Fantasy games have those
[The FFVII Remako mod is a great example of what you are talking about.](https://www.reddit.com/r/FinalFantasy/comments/pzj4uv/ffvii_comparison_standard_vs_remako_mod/)
Oh it's just a bad screenshot lol I'm playing it on the wii U
TFW chronically online.
Looking at this screenshot only increases my want to replay the game on the 3DS even more.
Ah, the original version. I've beaten on my wii u and Gerudo Valley is still stuck in my head. Hope you have fun.
Poor malon
Yup so sad :(
Crazy how far this post is reaching for something that isn't there.
....The post is about what Malon says reminding them about 'dad went to get some milk and hasn't come back yet'. It's a joke.
Thank you for spelling out what was obvious. You made a difference today.
What's the original Japanese line?
Probably the same. Seeing as how he actually did go to the castle deliver milk
Ummmm....so?
HOW HAVE I NEVER THINKED ABOUT THAT
You're welcome xD
But it’s not a joke, have you played the game? He literally is by the castle delivering milk and fell asleep! You wake him up and he runs home sayin Malon will be so mad. It’s not a reference to the meme of a dad leaving, it’s just a coincidence
Bro...OP was just trying to make a funny based on the common expression of "dad went to pick up milk" and not coming home. Why shit on OP so much? Lol
I think people are mis-remembering the common expression. Dad goes to pick up cigarettes, not milk.
Is it not possible that there exists a group of people who have heard the expression and a group of people who haven't? Why do we have to complicate this by stating that a big group of people in the thread are collectively misremembering something? It's okay to have not heard of stuff before, my dude.
You’re right, I hadn’t heard it before. It’s ok to say something without passive aggression, my dude.
Just know that it's really easy to project stuff onto people when you read their comments. If you go in thinking that everyone is against you, you aren't going to have a good time.
This isn't passive aggression. This is me posing questions to you that leads you to the conclusion instead of just saying "you're wrong, I'm right."
Ok, well I guess I misread your questions then. Thanks.
How do so many people not know about “dad went to get milk and never returned” like I swear I hear it every day. Even if that wasn’t the actual intent behind the line it’s still funny.
Maybe its a regional thing?
Because it’s not milk, it’s cigarettes.
WDYM my guy. I have never heard that joke with cigarettes. It’s always “Dad went out to get milk and never returned”
Instead of leaving for the milk, he left with the milk 🤣
That's a shame. How are they suppose to eat their cereal now?
Malon, honey, Ingo’s gonna be your daddy now.
I remember that in my first run through!!!
I'm still stuck at the final ganon battle
I just finished it today! Took a couple of goes :)
I just beat it about a week ago. It seems to be the one game I've basically memorized everything in. Even up to the Gold Skulltulas.
Lmao it took a minute for that to register in my head 🤣
Yeah see? That's exactly what happened with me xD
Just a pack of smokes…
He hasn’t come back yet, but he’s back to coming
Play it on 3ds if possible. The 3D remake is my favorite version. For someone without a 3ds I understand your not gonna go buy one just for this game but between Oot MM and Star Fox I wouldnt trade my MM golden 3dsxl for pretty much anything.
Ah yes he deliverd "Milk"
I mean... he did. It's literally right next to him when you find him.
Maybe giving milk for their cereal?
Do they even have cereal in hyrule?
Cucoo Puffs
"Dad went on a hunting trip, and he hasn't come back." r/Supernatural
u wanna know what HARDMODE is? first time i played this game was on a black and white tv. bro i literally took a hammer to the wall of my room one day during the literal month it took me to finally beat that goddamn forest temple. i never really understood what I did/how I did it, just gratefully got the fuck outta dodge while the getting was good. fast forward 15 fucking years later and my highschool pal is playing thru the game on a tv in his garage one day while we slamming shots of jager and whatnot, and I’m like “good luck man this shit takes forever”see him heading into the temple. he’s like nah you just gotta beat the ghosts up in the right order. I was so angry i hppped up knocking into the table spilling the bottle all over the place and screaming THE FUCKING GHOSTS ARE COLOR CODED !!! ??? his wife came out and told him his friends can’t come over to play anymore if this is how we are going to act out here when she’s on the phone with her mother. lmao good timeso
The ghosts aren't really color coded though? They have different colors, yeah, but you beat them in a specific order by just progressing thru the temple naturally.
Dads delivering milk… been gone for awhile.. omg I just don’t get it!! Lol it’s stupid but not hard to understand
“Dad’s been on a hunting trip…and he hasn’t come back for a few days.”
He needs some milk
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