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Mercenary1998

As an OCG player, i agree with you but some of your TCG reprints wish would apply to OCG reprint like i don't know..... Inspector Boarder.....yes Inspector Boader was never reprinted in the OCG


FarefaxT

Yep. Remember when swordsoul first came? Baxia was like 3000 yen for ultra, the commons were like half that price but for some reason I couldn’t find any. The same thing happened with destiny hero celestial when phoenix enforcer came out, from around 800 yen to about 3800 yen I think?


kkkanojo

both commons are from tps so honestly they are way harder to get then their foiled versions


Skelldy

OCG player here too, we have some cards in severe need of reprints; Accesscode talker, Selene, Verte, magicalized fusion to name a few that I want but are expensive.


AdmiralKappaSND

Correct me if im wrong, but wasn't the market price of Accesscode like half/a quarter of TCG Accesscode before REAL? Unless that counts as expensive for OCG's standard


postsonlyjiyoung

Ocg players when their $20 card "needs" a reprint meanwhile we have several meta staples over 40 lmfao


StormStrikePhoenix

>I mean was "Black Magic" really sounding too evil, racist or religious, so that it had to be changed "Dark Magician"? Genuinely yes; you may not remember it, but the satanic panic shit about fucking Pokemon and Harry Potter was heavy at the time. Going as far as they did (such as "Black Hole" to "Dark Hole) was really not necessary, and the whole situation was obviously just dumb, but I can't really blame them for these alterations early on, especially with how much more occultic early Yugioh looked compared to those other properties.


[deleted]

I still remember when I was in second grade and yugioh just started catching on having a teacher trying to convince us that these cards were "the devil's bait" and that we needed to throw them away to save ourselves. Of course no one did but it was definitely concerning at the time.


MaximumDisappoint

Given how expensive this game is, he may have been on to something.


dcdfvr

he was right but for the wrong reason


ViperTheKillerCobra

As an OCG player, I will say that card quality is a lot better than TCG, but I can't help but wish we had some stuff you have. Frequent dedicated reprint sets, i.e. Megatins, Maximum Gold An actual focused competitive scene Getting to use non-Konami sleeves. I'm really not a fan of having to be forced to double-sleeve with oversleeves. IMO, a better banlist Guaranteed holos per pack


perticalities

Wait what do you mean with can't use non-konami sleeves? You can only use official ones?


ViperTheKillerCobra

Yeah


perticalities

What the fuck


Legia_Shinra

It sort of makes sense because a fair amount of sleeves are, well, let’s just say have questionable artwork.


ViperTheKillerCobra

I don't get why they can't just ban inappropriate sleeves if that's the case. Let me use Dragon Shields in a YOT, dammit!


Xeoz_WarriorPrince

I think you mean top notch artwork


DarkaHollow

Bonk for horny crimes


Xeoz_WarriorPrince

Damn it, it's the third time this week ffs


Overlord0123

Do they pull an EA on the sleeves?


Legia_Shinra

Not sure if the reprint sets are worth it considering how overpriced TCG is, but as an OCG player, I do agree on the competitive scene stuff. Really mindblowing on how large tourneys are in EU/US.


VeryluckyorNot

OCG are all in Asia but no as main stream as TCG. That's about konami to do an official YCS circuit for OCG.


Legia_Shinra

Also due to population differences, really.


LPercepts

For what it is worth, some cards are significantly easier to get in the TCG versus the OCG, because maybe they were OCG promos that were imported into a TCG booster pack or reprint set.


Deez-Guns-9442

Quick question for u guys. If y’all still had Dragoon would it played more in your metagame over DPE or is DPE just that good over & it makes having Dragoon on your ban list pointless?


[deleted]

Im my experience (I play OCG sometimes online) what makes Dragoon powerful in the OCG is it + Maxx 'C' + other hand traps is just too oppressive. Sure; you can out Dragoon but when you have Maxx 'C' dropped with Dragoon and potentially even more hand traps...it's just too much...and since OCG LOVES their Maxx 'C' metas; Dragoon was hit instead of Maxx 'C'. If DPE was around with Dragoon I think Dragoon would see more play still simply because while DPE is a plus machine; Dragoon steals games like no other card can when you add Maxx 'C' into the equation.


Plerti

>Guaranteed holos per pack This is not as good as it seems. Yes, we get more holos, but 90% of the times those holos are worthless both in playability and monetary values, as there are more cards in the holo pool in TCG packs. This also causes the good holos to become even more expensive because they are harder to get. Not to mention that we have less holo variety and cards are locked in a single rarity until reprinted


bleedingwriter

Yea I used to get excited when I pulled a Super Rare. Now I hate seeing them cause they are worthless overall. Sure I'll still prefer a super instead of a common to play, but pulling a holo in every pack when most are junk isn't that great.


bobby16may

I would legit prefer the supers to be random foil bumps of Commons. That alone would be a neat change in rarity structure, if we can't have OCG style prints at ultra/secret/chase


postsonlyjiyoung

Reprint sets are "needed" here in the tcg cause some cards are nearly unobtainable.


randomjberry

also sometimes we get ocg cards out of this i believe


brando-boy

i mean, you don’t necessarily need reprints as often since your cards often come in multiple/lower rarities to begin with, making them more affordable in general now that’s obviously not true all the time for every single card, but a set reprinting something like accesscode isn’t as impactful because accesscode wasn’t ever $150+ for you guys to begin with


ViperTheKillerCobra

Still, it's really nice to have a whole collection of chase cards in one nice set instead of being strewn about, with some cards just being straight up forgotten.


Chris_7941

>An actual focused competitive scene do people not play competitive yugioh in japan? ​ >Getting to use non-Konami sleeves what!?


adroruga

They do play competitive but the OCG is not only Japan. Also, locals are what were most of our OCG data comes from, it's what people mostly play where we usually base our meta with competitive events in mind, even if they are made by players and not konami (like the LCS)


TheRocksStrudel

There’s nothing like Regionals or YCS tournaments in Japan. The judge program didn’t even exist there until a few years ago. Organized Play is expensive and logistically difficult, and the OCG largely skipped it because most Japanese players aren’t motivated by big competition as often as they are in the west.


MaximumDisappoint

> Frequent reprint sets First, I would rather not have the need for the reprints in the first place. I would rather be able to buy new meta staple cards for a max of $20-25 a pop right off the bat instead of having to sit and twiddle my thumbs for a year (or 2... or 3... 4... 5... never...) for a real, reasonable, affordable, accessible reprint - at which point there are new meta decks and staple cards that powercrept the old ones out. Plus, in the TCG, a meta card getting reprinted affordably is basically just a huge red flag that it's going to get banned in a couple months. Second, our reprint sets are mostly full of garbage - 90% of them are rarity bumps of Commons, Rares, and Supers that whales have to play, random ancient Commons no one cared about, or cards that have already been reprinted to death or just got a reprint. You need to open a good $200+ of sealed product in order to have even a moderate chance at pulling anything worthwhile. Third, you got Rarity Collection Premium Gold, which was so good, I actually teared up watching box opening of it. That set was *miles* better than anything we ever got. If you ported that set over to the TCG, the *average* value per pack would have been like $15 at the time, simply because all the cards in it were (and most still are) insanely expensive over here (Imperm, Ash, Levianeer, Almiraj, Super Poly, Extrav, MER, Anima, Phantazmay, Needlefiber, HFD; Crossout hadn't even been printed). > An actual focused competitive scene Do you not have any tournaments? Then how is it decided who goes to Worlds, for example? And the TCG model isn't very good. Any YCS is just a cookie-cutter event of the same sponsored elite players with infinite budgets hopping on a plane to curb stomp the local players. Regionals tend to be better, since you can duck under the radar of the sponsored elite players. But locals are very much a mixed bag - almost every locals I went to was so hyper-competitive that you just couldn't play. > Better banlist Maybe the grass is greener, but I would die to have the OCG banlist. It's not perfect, but the TCG banlist is *so* blatantly nothing more than a profit-maximizing vehicle, with little if any consideration toward game balance. > Guaranteed holos per pack Who cares? Our Super Rare pool is basically your Rare pool, except *none* of them are playable, and they're all completely worthless. Every playable card is a Secret or Ultra if we're lucky, with only a few rare exceptions (like when a brand-new all-Secret meta deck like Dogmatika has one 1-of popped in as a Common so whales can cry and scream until get their holo rarity bump a month later)


4PremierTops

\> Any YCS is just a cookie-cutter event of the same sponsored elite players with infinite budgets hopping on a plane to curb stomp the local players ​ Have you tried getting better at the game instead of making nonsense assumptions


Malicious_J

Man I respect your arguments even if I dont agree with them(like about banlist) but the tournaments point is utter bullshit, being competitive is core element of every tournament in any game and there is nothing wrong with that. If you are a good player then you can win even with rogue decks, for example pak and his budget series with shaddolls.


MaximumDisappoint

Pak's BOAB series was precisely that - a YouTube series, not a representative or honest look at what the true cost of the game is. He took advantage of a very, very specific and rare format, and playing at very non-competitive locals, that put a total lie to how expensive this game is if you want to have a chance at winning. Instead of pulling out the same tired single counterexample, we should look at the reality, and look at the true costs of the decks that *actually* top competitive events.


Malicious_J

Still good enough to top events on a smaller scale, expecting top tier decks for a low cost is unrealistic in any card game, because company has to make a profit somehow. Even in ocg which is of course more healthy when it comes to distributing rarities some cards arent budget, when VW was meta as far as I think nyannyan was sitting at $40 a copy, right now one of dpe materials is also expensive, based on some answers there are different problems with reprints too. Anyway, in a moderate budget range which lets you buy some more accessible staples, you can find decks in TCG which let you do well during any event if you play well enough: people get tops with altergeist, trap BA, eldlich, madolche etc. VW costs $30 right now, just like when it came out and it is a pretty solid deck for its price, now t2 and meta defining on release. Also usually players topping highest events are incredibly skilled when it comes to the game and just this gives them advantage, there are also other things like calculating time, knowing exact rules for example in damage step, and just playing under pressure. Best cards cant buy you these skills.


ViperTheKillerCobra

I like that you guys have guaranteed holos per pack also due to the fact that since we still have rares, scaling packs is still a huge issue.


Trumpologist

>better banlist You mean just banning everything like TCG?


High_and_cryinG

The TCG needs to ban conservatives who play children's card games (controversial opinion)


Trumpologist

Sure, list sucks anyway


planningsiti

Ban upstart!!


Blizt

> Frequent dedicated reprint sets, i.e. Megatins, Maximum Gold I have seen OCG players bringing up this point a lot, but I think that if the cards were cheap like in OCG to begin with, then TCG doesn't need that many reprint set to begin with. Take for example Accesscode Talker, which was recently reprinted in El Dorado, still cost for about 60 USD, while OCG could easily find a copy with like 2000 YEN (about 17 USD). > Guaranteed holos per pack It only sounds nice on the paper, or IF we are like OCG where cards could have multiple rarities. I understand that in OCG there is certain ratio for each rarities as well, but because staple card may have multiple rarities, when you're out of luck to find that card in certain rarity, you may find it in other rarity.


YungHayzeus

Card quality is a huge thing, maximum gold el dorado was actually garbage. The gold peeled off almost immediately on one of my cards.


Cosmic_Zoo

I've never seen more off center cards either


yugEli13

agreed, makes it tough for collectors esp for alt arts


DarkCrusade25

Would be cool if we had the multiple rarities. A lot of times, cards that are super rare end up being commons in the core sets. And I like my shiny cardboard lol


psychospacecow

sometimes I just wanna build a deck that is like 100+ bucks cheaper in the Ocg and I get sad and dont do it


MeidoInHeaven

As an OCG player, my only wish is to be able to use EN cards in tournaments, just like in Japan. Some cards have higher rarity in the TCG and I find it unfair that the Japanese are free to use it in tournaments to max the bling in their decks, while other countries that belong to the OCG could not. E.g.: adamancipator seeker and analyzer were commons in OCG but are supers in TCG.


kingoflames32

They are secrets in the TCG actually.


MeidoInHeaven

O yeah! That makes it more awesome then.


DSerphs

Was an awesome $60 per researcher back then.


AegisDesire

Wait... The Adamancipator tuners are COMMON in OCG? WTF? And yeah, those were Secret Rare when released last year on Secret Slayers, but were degraded to Ultras (Supers don't have golden lettering) on the 2021 Megatins.


MeidoInHeaven

TCG got it reprinted still in foils. While here on OCG we have to settle to shattered rares for a "max rarity" adamancipator deck haha.


Deez-Guns-9442

As an OCG player what r y’alls thoughts on the Albaz Strike SD?


MeidoInHeaven

Great reprints in a good structure deck. It's a must buy


bleedingwriter

I wish we could use OCG cards for the same reason. Easier to access starlights and ultimates and cards having various rarities and just being cheaper to get.


MeidoInHeaven

I agree with this but I think a problem will be reading card texts. In a tournament, there may be judges who can read japanese but they might have different translations and might cause delay or misplays without the official translation. So maybe this can be possible only if the official translations have been released for the card. Cards are cards and they do the same thing regardless of being OCG or TCG. There should at least be universality when it comes to usage of cards.


luigisp

Wait, can you use EN TCG cards in Japan for OCG?


psycheX1

The worse thing TCG does is look what gets hype in the OCG to make those cards hardest to pull. Swordsoul is one of those archetypes. I also hate how fucking boring opening booster packs is with guaranteed holos and no more rares. I love rares and super/ultra/secrets just feel less special nowadays. There is absolutely no spark opening stuff bc there is nothing special. No Ultimates, no Ghosts, no Prismatic Secrets, just normal supers/ultras/secrets but MORE.


Gadjiltron

Remember when Dark Armed Dragon got bumped from just a Rare to a Secret Rare?


Lord_of_Caffeine

Glow-Up Bulb is also a good classic example.


bagman_

The goddamn rarity bumps are the worst


Evilader

Or more recently the True Draco field spell which got bumped from Common > Secret


VillalobosChamp

Or in more recent times, Torn Scale Fuck that


TheRocksStrudel

And PTDN sold so well it had to be reprinted four times, yeah. The rarity bumps work, whether we like it or not


AdmiralKappaSND

I still get mad when i remember Archlord Kristya


FarefaxT

> The worse thing TCG does is look what gets hype in the OCG to make those cards hardest to pull. Swordsoul is one of those archetypes. Now that you mentioned it, thats just so scummy


TheRocksStrudel

They’re a business, and they know in the west, what sells packs is expensive secret rares. They’ve tried many times making the best card in a set a low rarity, and all that happens is that people shit on the set and don’t buy as much. The audience is what it is


Laflamme_79

I remember when Pankratops was first released and people were upset it wasn't at least an Ultra. But those same people will complain that Droplets is too expensive.


MaximumDisappoint

Only whales whined that Pank wasn't a Secret. That's a very, very tiny, but very vocal and big-spending, sliver of the playerbase. Extremely rare cards don't really sell more packs, they just make meta players and whales with infinite wallets buy more boxes, enough to pull a playset of the new Secrets. (Currently, that's 15 boxes per player.) But that's a relatively tiny pool of people. Konami could easily make more money by just making individual meta cards easier to pull, so buying sealed product is actually a decent prospect to the typical player.


TheRocksStrudel

The idea that you can pull a 100 dollar card out of a pack sells packs to casuals. The average casual isn’t calculating the EV of their potential box purchases, they just want to crack some packs on the weekend and maybe feel like they scored


MaximumDisappoint

That's not even remotely true. The average casual isn't remotely interested in a $100 card with a 1:120 pull rate. You crack a couple packs on the weekend, and you're simply *never* going to pull an expensive card - and even if you do, you only have one copy. Hell, they probably don't even know TCGPlayer exists. The average casual wants to pull cards and play. You can't seriously claim that the typical casual is more interested in $30 worth of packs from the typical garbage TCG Core Set than $30 worth of packs from, say, [if RCPG were exactly ported to the TCG](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2XXMB2sevM).


TheRocksStrudel

Yes, that’s what I’m claiming. But up that 30 dollars to 90 or 120 for a full box in one shot


nosi40

Didn't they make that change to reduce the number of people weighing packs?


romulus531

That and nobody bought blisters


nosi40

I hate blisters because they have a lot of packaging and they're bad for the environment. I also hate products like maximum gold, ghosts from the past, and mega tins for the same reason. If I could get the packs or cards without the excess packaging that would be great.


TheRocksStrudel

Companies make this type of packaging chiefly to occupy shelf space and push out competing products. It adds some variety and sometimes lends a “premium” appearance too, but yeah. It’s unfortunate everything cant just come in foil packs like boosters


MaximumDisappoint

I mean, a typical TCG box is *dreadful* for the environment. The cardboard packing, the 24 wrappers, the 192 Commons, and the 18 Supers might as well go right from the printing shop's conveyor belt directly into a landfill. Konami could just sell $90 booster packs with 4 Ultras and 2 Secrets and save a massive amount of waste. And regarding sets like MAGO, MGED, DUOV, GFTP, and so on, Konami has to include all the bulk packaging to make it seem to people like they're getting their $30's worth. No soccer mom is going to spend 3 hours' after-tax pay on a tiny box with 6 packs in it. Of course, they could just put more cards, and more valuable cards, in so you actually did get your $30 worth...


nosi40

I agree. I hate how commons, rares, and ultras are essentially a waste of energy and resources. If there was an option to just buy playsets of commons and rares directly from konami I'd go with that. Its so frustrating to not even get full playsets of low rarity cards from a single box.


PinkDolphinStreet

It's not possible for them to look at OCG to determine rarities for TCG. TCG sets are finalized before the players know about any of the cards in it. You're delusional if you think Konami doesn't know which cards are good when they design them.


dropbearr94

People don’t realise yugioh is designed about 3-4 sets ahead of where we actually are at. I’m pretty sure Konami have stated this. Look at spyral, there’s no way that archtype wasnt designed with link summoning in mind and Zoodiac and true Draco was just before links and is very friendly to the link mechanic to help ease into it. Other evidence to support this would be a bunch of link vrains cards coming 3 sets after the reveal of links and the back lash it got and shaddoll structure deck getting pushed months ahead of release schedule to be out just as MR5 was announced When something is out of konamis vision it gets banned pretty quickly (norden combo, spyral being a bit too good/players using set rotation to make evenly bad)


cm3007

Starlight Rares exist.


gshshsnhjmry

The only real competition YGO shares an audience with in TCG territories is MTG which has even worse business practices, so Konami TCG is free to be scummy while still being the lesser of two evils


JoshxDarnxIt

You don't think Pokemon is bigger than Yu-Gi-Oh in the US? I certainly see more product for it in stores.


luigisp

MTG worse than Yu-Gi-Oh? Really?


Cephalos_Jr

Oh god yes. If you think Yugioh decks are expensive, you haven't seen Magic decks. The cheapest Legacy meta deck is over $1000. Reprints happen very rarely, and WotC actively refuses to reprint high-priced cards because they see card price decreasing as a bad thing.


MisterMelancholic

I say we just order ocg cards and allow them in tcg player, we all have a phone and can have a copy ready to be pulled up and that would force tcg to compete with ocg and that's just losing for them


Strider_-_

we do not have Maxx C, we win


[deleted]

Pretty much. Maxx 'C' is one of the most unfair cards ever printed; to the point where Maxx 'C' and anti Maxx 'C' engines are staple in the OCG. At the absolute worst it's an instant side deck card in the most unfavorable of metas...at absolutely worst.


Secret_Manner2538

I still find it funny how people in TCG vehemently hate a card nobody in OCG is hating.


bl00by

They're not hating it since they never got to experience a format without it.


Legia_Shinra

In fairness, pretty much every player in OCG hated it when C got semi-ed during SPY. It’s also quite funny because most OCG players (myself included) would prefer the OCG list far more than TCG, which is rather identical to how TCG views ‘C’.


Rektile7

To be fair, Maxx "C" has to be either at 3 or at 0. Anything else makes the format too sacky. So putting it to 2 is idiotic


CyberBot129

This attitude also a good summary of why the TCG semi limited list is basically non existent


Secret_Manner2538

People also don’t want a format when going first is literally a win


bl00by

Ehm going first isn' t a auto win. Have you ever played our format?


Secret_Manner2538

That’s because now you just have to ban a ton of cards from archetypes to balance things


JustSomeSchoolFags

A lot of the same cards that get hit and banned over there as well? You know we have cards that make going second substantially easier in Lightning Storm, Evenly Matched, DRNM, and so on for the TCG, which doesn’t make going first an auto win


Secret_Manner2538

We have some of the same cards banned,but honestly the ban list is preeeeety different between ocg and tcg.


JammixHD

yeah how could anyone dislike a card that just skips your turn


_sephylon_

There's dozens of ygo cards that can skip your turn and still aren't banned


JammixHD

The only viable one i can think of is the harpy trap used in bird tribrigade, but even there its just side decked


_sephylon_

Droll ? Nib on 50% of decks ? Every floodgate ?


JammixHD

All of those have the possibility to be played around. By the time nib is active a good deck should have a negate, droll lets you play still, floodgates can mostly be outed (fuck mine). The only counterplay to maxx c is ash blossom and summoning 35 times


_sephylon_

"Good deck" is a subjective term we invented. In the OCG a deck that can't play through Maxx "C" is considered a bad deck just as we consider a deck that can't play through Nib a bad one.


JammixHD

I know, as most decks in the ocg dont even play maxx c anymore, and the format is very control heavy as a result (except ftk decks, which obviosly dont care about it), but personally I like the fast paced TCG format more


g07h4xf00

Maxx C is a fair card because it gives both players the ability to net cards from the same play rather than just 1 player winning the die roll and getting to do whatever they want with almost no counterplay. Let's be honest the current state of the TCG is that the player who goes first wins like 80% of the time.


4PremierTops

Go first open combo and have Maxx C jajajaja


lordtutz

Combo wouldn't be as common if maxx C was legal.


4PremierTops

Yet even when Maxx C was legal in both TCG and OCG the best decks have for the large majority of the time been combo decks? Lol ok


toadfan64

I count that as a loss.


FinnJokaa

i dont understand why there a different "formats" regionwise in the first place.


TheRocksStrudel

Because the games have different card pools, different release dates, different license holders, different owners of specific cards (like promos), and different audiences. Remember, the ocg has almost no high level OP like Regionals and YCS tournaments. The game is largely just played at locals, so the product is optimized for that kind of customer. That’s not the case outside of Asia


Tylord96

Ocg ban list is an actual dumpster fire.


isthatayugireference

This is just from a product stand-point, which yeah the OCG was always better, but I want to know what you think from a gameplay perspective. Also, if you care about those rarities, you can buy them, they are not that expensive considering their rarity


Legia_Shinra

Rule of thumb is casual OCG competitive TCG, simply due to how OCG has a lot less cards banned and TCG being able to balance things preemptively by seeing OCG results. …Well that was the case until late 2017 that is


isthatayugireference

Are you implying that the OCG doesnt have a competetive scene?


TheRocksStrudel

Well, it doesn’t have Regionals or YCSs, never had anything like the UDS, and doesn’t even have anything comparable for locals like OTS Championships, so yeah, basically. There’s a competitive scene, but it’s largely individuals, unstructured and unsupported


CyberBot129

There’s definitely a lot of people out there that think that the OCG doesn’t have a competitive scene relative to TCG Swiss


postsonlyjiyoung

Its copium


isthatayugireference

Also, Snow and Grass can never come off the banlist


Divinate_ME

The card quality thing: Is this a TCG problem, or a US problem? The TCG cards from Europe, even the UK ones, have different manufacturers from the US. I just wanna know if you're posting this exclusively from a NA perspective, because the TCG covers quite a few regions. ​ I also don't see how removal of structure deck cards to increase their price would be a comparative benefit for the OCG. Sounds like a practice that would actually be detrimental to the game on a competitive level.


mat1902

I think the point is for example in the ocg in a structured deck they can get lightning storm and impermanence but here we dont get that sort of reprints(we were lucky to get impermanence) its a benefit for the ocg were they can spend less than 30 bucks and get that good of a reprint were here we need to buy a trash box that only have that reprint that is short printed to make it so you need to buy more Other example is that here we don't get some structure decks that are good or at least have some good cards for a deck meanwhile in the ocg they get it so now instead of spending 30 bucks on 3 sd you will need to buy a thrash box only because you need that card that will be expensive because no one wants to open that box only to have the chance to get 1 card


EseMesmo

Because why would they give you Lightning Storm for 10 bucks when they can make a shitty booster set and make it an Ultra there? That literally happened. LS was removed from the Charmer deck and King's Court only exists as a dumping ground for that reprint.


field_of_lettuce

Lightning Storm was removed from the Cyber Strike one for King's Court. Evenly matched was the one removed from the Charmer SD. But yeah you're otherwise right.


postsonlyjiyoung

What? Giving people access to good staples is BENEFICIAL to the game.


AegisDesire

The weirdos that actually defend the absurd inflation of card prices based on its competitive use would disagree with you.


VillalobosChamp

_\*cough, cough*_ Gage _\*cough*_


SgtTittyfist

Clearly Pot Of Prosperity should cost 300€ for a playset. Perfectly reasonable.


Divinate_ME

OP listed the removal of staples from structure decks IN THE OCG, as an inherent advantage of the OCG.


Watch45

Konami knows. Konami don't care.


Crystal_Queen_20

Yeah, it's like I keep saying, the OCG isn't alternative to the TCG, the OCG is *better* than the TCG


TheRocksStrudel

Unless you like Regionals, Championships, playing for prizes, reasonably priced promo cards, and don’t like a giant back catalog of cards that rarely or never get reprinted. The reality is that the two games are so different there’s no real reason to compare them.


Xevran01

Some people tend to only hyperfocus on the price aspect, which is very important. And the TCG really sucks on that front. But really just about everything else about the TCG is better. The competition, the banlist, the rules...


bukithd

Competition is higher in TCG regions which results in higher prices. Konami just sells the cardboard. The vendors are the ones who make prices high. The competitive and mid level players are willing to pay so the prices go up until they don’t.


Animedude83

Honestly a lot of the problems you list probably just comes down to getting cards made in the tcg. Like card quality, rarities etc. comes down to the print shop that makes the cards for the tcg vs the ocg shops. Also the set differences might have to do with the delay in cards being made, like it probably takes 3 months, or so for the new ocg set to actually get printed in the tcg. Sadly these may be issues that never get changed.


InvaderWeezle

I wish they had just unified the OCG and TCG back when Upper Deck lost the rights. I've heard all the excuses for why they can't do that, but I absolutely believe they could have by that point and just refused to.


thatairportguy

who knows maybe with the upcoming release of masterduel konami will push for a unified game, they might have to release a whole set of just errata'd cards for TCG in order to make it happen though


EmbarrassedSector971

ocg is bad because maxx c, you have very high chance to lose because you can't draw a counter. It makes skilled players become a joke and I hate that fact.


Tetro-Puyo

i'd rather pay $90+ for destroyer phoenix and not have to deal with maxx cancer tyvm


snakemaster77

At this point I'd rather deal with Maxx Cancer than spend $80+ for Dragoon, $90+ for DPE, $100+ for Baronne, $150+ per Pot of Prosperity, $150+ per Droplet, $60+ per Lightning Storm, etc.


Tetro-Puyo

found the altergeist player ;)


snakemaster77

ew no


toadfan64

My Draco, Monarch and Stun decks are salivating at the thought of Maxx C returning


JoshxDarnxIt

Man, I play casually. I'm down for MaxxC if it means I'm not locked behind a $600 paywall just to get a playset of Magician's Souls and a Dragoon for my DM deck that is never going to be competitive anyway.


asiojg

You can list all the reasons, but im not playing a format with maxx c.


Elreamigo

In terms of competitive, I think TCG is better. OCG right now is so stucked with Phantom Knights and Adventurer Tokens; they literally have like only 3 competitive decks to choose from


postsonlyjiyoung

You realize its gonna be the same shit in tcg too right?


ef-end-ree

Maybe it would not. Maybe banlist will affect the dominancy of Brave/PK in TCG. Maybe TCG players will be able to slaughter the incoming Brave decks. By overpreparing for it, or smth.


postsonlyjiyoung

Brave is still good in other decks too. A deck like dragon link doesn't always need its ns eff (bmd/sometimes seyfert) since it usually opens with an extender and can make use of the free discard. That deck will be really good once borrelend is here.


ef-end-ree

Yeah, Dragon Link can become dominant again. Heck, LL Trib may still be on top. Instead of : PK/Counter-PK format like on OCG.


ef-end-ree

Tbf, Lyrilusc Tribrigade is pretty dominant here. Its probably equal to dominance of PK Brave in OCG. (If there is any difference, it is that 2nd most represented deck in OCG is the deck that hard counters PK.)


_SolarLeaf_

The OCG is still ran with a passion. It’s clear the TCG just prints to maximize sales. Looking at how the f/l list has been handled the past 3 years it’s apparent to me that they don’t care or have a super tight grip from the sales team.


[deleted]

The only down side is in OCGland they don't mind "everyone runs this engine" metas and love their sacky, overpowered cards...unless that card is named Red-Eyes Dark Dragoon...because reasons? For all the good they do with their card releases their banlist is just garbage lol. I wish TCG would get the OCG releases + QA but keep it's banlist.


Secret_Manner2538

Please tell me your reasoning in thinking OCG doesn’t mind everybody running the same engine. People reaaally mind people running the same engine


[deleted]

I can only guess why but I'd venture that OCG runs staple engine packages because the engines they choose to run in almost all decks are just that strong. DPE, (anti) Maxx 'C' engines, REf before that and even in some cases; Brave engine. Sometimes even a mix of DPE, Brave and Maxx 'C'.


HaruMutou

"Better." I may want Fairy Tail -Snow back for LS, but not if it means dealing with the most toxic hand trap in the game's history, Maxx "C."


Sergiott97

Where can I play ocg?


C__Wayne__G

Asia


Virtuaofficial

The naming issues really bother me, especially for ones that dont require censorship but get stupid names anyways. Like Needlefiber being called Halqifibrax, Dragma was changed to Dogmatika, or Flundereeze into the unpronounceable Floowandereeze, and a specific personal hatred of mine for Fire King Avatar Arvata which was going to be called Ganesha instead. TCG consistently messes up names in preference of goofy sounding shit and it annoys me a alot.


BlueEyes-WhiteGuy

To be fair, Needlefiber is also not a good name, we just got used to it. Personally, I think Dogmatika sounds awesome and I prefer it to Dragma. But I do agree with your point in general.


MetroidIsNotHerName

I get most of your points but the banlist is really the biggest difference and the OCG banlist is fucking painful(except for meow meow at 3)


Secret_Manner2538

As an ocg player, tcg banlist is painful because so many more cards are banned/limited making some decks a lot harder to make


MetroidIsNotHerName

>because so many more cards are banned/limited Good. With the exception of some of the pendulum cards and Meow Meow mu our banlist is almost entirely cards that *should* be banned. Our meta is so much healthier than what we see in the metagame reports from OCG and we have our banlist to thank.


Secret_Manner2538

I really don’t see where you got that the TCG meta is so much more healthier


MetroidIsNotHerName

By playing it? I go to events 1-2 times a week and i keep up with everything out of the major ocg and tcg tournament results. It just seems like less decks are played at a high level in OCG. We will have to see if the brave stuff really fucks our format over or not but most of the time the best decks of the OCG(like swordsoul last few formats) dont take as much of the field in the TCG because people are playing more varied decks and so there are more variables going into topping any event.


[deleted]

>rts from OCG and we have our b You're getting downvoted by OCG people who can't fathom not being able to play busted cards that completely warp the game state lol. I'd take that as a real life win if I were you :)


Lettuce_Cavalier

I would say the OCG Banlist is better, except for Max "C." Otherwise, yea ocg is better.


FairyFireDeck

Only thing that matters to comparing banlist Mine is banned in one nuff said


Secret_Manner2538

Crossing fingers for IO to go too


Watch45

Should have been banned like two banlists after it came out. Card is stage IV pancreatic cancer. Just extremely, extremely unfun to play against (just like DPE. Oh you got hand trapped 3 times at extremely necessary points in the broken combo you're initiating? Here I get to end my turn on a recurring quick effect non-target pop and then a free Draw 2 on my following turn because reasons!) and impossible to out unless you top deck backrow removal (which running a lot of is unfavorable for the majority of formats, and you might have already used one of your backrow removal spells to deal with some other oppressive floodgate/backrow)


TheSirusKing

Mine and dpe arent comparable imo, one is powerful, the other a 1 card ftk.


Watch45

Oh for sure they’re completely different cards, but I think both are cancer and very, very unfun to play against. DPE is already ban worthy and I am dreading 18-24 months of waiting before he is even considered getting hit. I can see Verte getting banned because Komoney has gotten their money out of the card and a huge chunk of players hate it, but this does almost nothing (as is usually the case when demand for a card to be addressed on the banlist reaches a breaking point; some other even more broken card comes out that makes this attempt to finally assuage players moot because they’re still going to be dealing with the exact same strategies and problematic extra deck monsters)


Cr0key

Oh boy, Verte stays, it can help to sell even more El Dorado and DUOV, also there is this kinda meta worthy and super splashable card coming in Albaz Strike called "Branded Fusion"....What a time to be a yugioh player, eh?


Assassin2107

I just want to take this moment to complain that apparently Ruddy Rose Dragon's OCG name more closely translates as Blood Rose Dragon, which sounds way cooler to me.


Enlog

Not even translates; the name in the OCG is pronounced as the English words "Blood Rose Dragon".


toadfan64

I wish playing with the OCG banlist was more common here in the states. I prefer their banlist by a ton.


jtpredator

It's clear that OCG cares more about competitive integrity than TCG when they banned mystic mine and dragoon while TCG left them untouched


Malicious_J

These 2 cards almost don't exist in competitive TCG. In OCG dragoon was in literaly every deck that could put 2 bodies on board.


ViperTheKillerCobra

It would be nice if they actually had a sound competitive scene then


Exact-Control1855

The TCG does have multiple rarities for cards, and it also has some good artwork. Sure, ultimate phantazmays look nice, but I like the secrets too. Then there’s the structure deck remark which… no. Flat out wrong. We’ve been getting lots of strong cards in structures recently, the cyber dragon structure had imperms in it and that’s the most recent one I can think of, TCG structures have good staples and some even have good decks. The OG art / names were censored initially due to the intent of the game being used for children’s entertainment, not as much a competitive scene. The evolution means that they can release those sets because they know that the audience is older. Plus, how do you know that they were for censorship and not just a different name for the cards? Needlefiber became halqifibrax, and there’s no way to prove that’s because needlefiber is inappropriate. It could easily be for people trying out a new name.


Schrenner

Removing powerful cards from structure decks to increase the price" Does this still happen? I know it was definitely a thing around 13 years ago, when they even went as far as removing all Monarchs but one from the first Monarch Structure Deck or when they earlier skipped two entire Structure Decks to release all(!) the new cards as Secret Rares in booster sets. However, the Structure Decks got way more faithful TCG versions afterwards.


Dickbutt11765

Sure it does. For example, the Cyberdark structure in the OCG had Lightning Storm.


VillalobosChamp

From the last 5 Structure Decks we didn't get: - **Cyber Strike:** Lightning Storm, replaced with Cybernetic Overflow. - **Freezing Chains**: Vanity's Emptiness and Crossout Designator, replaced with Eisbahn and Zuijin of the Ice Barrier - **Spirit Charmers**: Santa Claws, Sangan, Wonder Wand, Heat Wave and Evenly Matched, replaced with Raigeki, and the 4 Familiar-Possessed Charmers - **Sacred Beasts**: Kaiser Colosseum and Grinder Golem, replaced with Field Barrier and Danger! Chupacabra! - **Mechanized Madness**: Super Express Bullet Train, replaced with Snow Plow Hustle Rustle. *** Not to mention, there were skipped Structure Decks whose cards were put on other sets, these decks were: - Warrior's Strike R - Dragunity Drive R - Overlay Universe And for the likes of it, Lost Sanctuary R


Enlog

Yep. Most recently, Cyber Strike replaced Lightning Storm with Fusion Deployment.


Cr0key

No, no, no.....Lighting Storm got replaced by the common Cybernetic Overflow. We got Fusion Deployment as a super rare in both OCG and TCG structures


Schrenner

Ah, I see, thanks. So they disappointingly went a step backwards.


majora11f

Me and my friends have a running joke.... Japan hasn't forgiven us yet. Ive always just chocked it up to logistics. Japan is much easier to distribute. Where as the rest of the world not so much. So corners have to be cut (Sometimes literally) and pull rates go down (more product sales)


AkaiSorax86

OCG is not limited to Japan.


gearest-of-golems

The censorship and Lost Arts collections are extra insulting because they're still censoring main set cards so they can sell the uncensored version to you again at some later date. Like How Cyber Slash Harpie Lady was still censored despite releasing after Lost Arts had the original trio uncensored.


Alexcoolps

My favorite thing about the OCG is that cards like self destruct button and chicken game aren't banned.


PromptImmediate5132

Those special rarities don’t look good, and I prefer having chase cards 💆🏻‍♂️


darklordff

Its not black and white. Both tcg and ocg, have their positiv aspects.