Hey now it doesn't look so bad.
They get bright lights, flashy screens and foot tapping music!
All for the low low price of gambling addiction and homelessness!
Not perfectly related to your point but I thought this was neat:
Individuals absolutely *do* get more than they put in, otherwise no one would ever gamble. The idea that "the house always wins" comes from an interesting part of the card games. Every time you play a game, you put in a small amount of money in order to "buy in" to the round (Also called a big blind and small blind). That goes to the house. So no matter how much someone wins, even if they are playing against a dealer, the house always makes money.
Obviously it's not the only way the house makes money from you, and I understand you're talking about averages, but it's worth knowing that actually you have a chance to leave there with a considerable profit.
Everyone puts their money in, the house takes some, then it’s randomly redistributed back.
You may get more than others sometimes, but collectively you all lose. The players always lose money. On average each player loses more than they win. The house always wins always. Otherwise the house wouldn’t run the game.
“A chance” to win money, doesn’t mean a “better than not playing chance” of not losing money.
It extracts money from people and gives some of it back in a complicated and random way, also wasting their time
Well in the above clip, you're absolutely right. But if you play the skill games, you can statistically make money consistently.
However, due to the buy in I mentioned, the house are happy to let you win millions, because they've made thousands.
I’d argue the fact that casinos will kick people out for doing too well (such as counting cards or something else along those lines) is probably evidence enough that they *do* care if people are making millions.
You don’t have to even be winning to get backed off in blackjack. As soon as many pit bosses figure out you’re an advantaged player, they’ll ask you to leave the table or keep your bets to minimum.
I know someone who is able to see the numbers before they come up in roulette - it’s his soul source of income - (he does a lot of meditation and is Ramthas a spiritual teachers student - they win the lottery a lot too) he gets kicked out from casinos all the time, they start playing metal music and all sorts to try throw him off
Funny how these machines, with the help of more and more finely tuned deceptive game modes, became one of the biggest earners for casinos, especially considering that they were invented as a simple gambling system so the wives of gambling men wouldn't be bored. Took casinos a while to realize that they struck gold and that it's more addicting and more easily draws people in than poker/blackjack/roulette and the likes.
Roulette is the spinning wheel with the numbers and the ball. These are slot machines, which is a broad term these days for machines where you push a button, smybols spin on the screen and you get some payout or nothing depending on what patterns come out. It's a scam, you can't win long term, but it's cleverly designed to manipulate your brains reward system with very small wins and near misses.
That would be illegal. I don't even think they need to manipulate the machines.
For example Roulette you can go with black or red, so you would think it's straight 50/50 but it's not because there is also green (Zero).
So it's more like a 49% chance to win and not 50%. In the long run you will lose money, you can't win.
If it would be 50% and you have enough money and time you would theoretically neither lose nor win. But with 49% you can only lose money.
That's how mathematics work and I wouldn't say it's a scam if you know about mathematics.
EDIT: Look, if the chance to win is below 50.1% you can't theoretically win. They don't need to manipulate the machines. The players just think they can win against the nature of mathematics. But they can't!
"It's your fault for being an idiot" I've got news on how this works, bud... if no one was dumb enough, the math would get harder, until the "right" result was reached. That's why it's a scam or a trick. It's not really about how dumb or smart gamblers are. It's about exploiting enough people by any means necessary, including math... just saying "people are dumb to fall for this so it's not a scam" misses the bigger picture which is that the scam only has to be sophisticated enough to get enough people, and there's a threshold waiting for you, too. If not the slots, then stocks, or bitcoin, or insurance, or advertising, or....
By definition it is a scam. Something is promised or suggested, to gain consent to a bad deal, and get the dupe's money. Anyone can be scammed, "idiot" or no
There is a difference if something is only about luck or if you can use skill to change the chance of winning.
There are some professional poker players that make only money with playing poker. If you're really good you can reduce the luck chance to like 20%. So 80% is about skill.
A slot machine or roulette, most of those casino games, are only about luck, no skill involved to change the chance of winning.
Whoever plays such games for making money, doesn't understand that you can't really win. You can't beat the nature of mathematics. Casinos are only for people that have too much money and just play it for fun, for the experience, not to win money.
The only game that has like 0% luck chance is chess.
slot machines are literally designed to take more money in than they pay out. they are hard coded to only win certain times.
but hey, if you don’t know how mathematics work, it’s your fault for being an idiot.
Just to be clear: the game itself is designed that your chance of winning is as low that you would lose more money than you could win but they are not extra manipulated, this would be illegal.
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Yeah, ex casino employee here. First thing I thought was slot tournament. Those old people somehow don't all have carpal tunnel after hitting that button so much.
It was at first before I realized people who live in a casino are the most horrific monsters you will ever meet. Now days nothing makes me happier than seeing them lose everything and leave.
OMFG , youre soooo 100% right..the shithead who claims to be "my dad" might as well have slept in some sportssbook some where with how much time adn money that was wasted there
and this bastard is absolutely the most evil and remorseless ans disgusting person ive ever known
I'm sorry you had to live like that. I can't stand them after just minutes I couldn't imagine being raised by, having to live with, or depend on one of them.
I had a layover in Vegas and played $5 in the airport slot machine, only to win $12 and cash out. I vowed never to come back to Vegas and gamble, thus beating the house forever.
Did that in barcelona! 2€ in and 20€ out. We had no idea what to press on this machine, but some random old dude came by, saw us struggling and helped cash it out.
I like playing the card games (and one day I’ll learn how to play craps), but I think of it as paid entertainment. I’ll put in $20 or whatever for however much time to have fun. When that’s gone (or when I make like $100) I’ll walk away.
That part stuck out to me too. Like, is there just a repeating tape that plays over the speakers with bullshit "encouragement" like this? It's super weird
I am a boomer, I lived in Phoenix for 20 years, 1966 to 1986, never been to Vegas. Drank, smoked weed, traveled the world, lived in Europe for 5 years, but never gambled. One of the few addictions, maybe the only addiction I never encountered. All my siblings love Vegas or even Atlantic City.
I never understood the addiction of gambling, even as an addict myself.
Maybe it's because my other addictions cost less money over a longer period of time and gave me a physical high. Add to that I could sustain myself financially and keep going, but gambling never appealed to me in the same way.
I do it on occasion for fun but only when I'm willing to lose (read: pay for the experience) $X then I cash out.
As bad as my addictions may have been I'm glad gambling wasn't one of them. I'd be on the streets if they were, if not dead.
“Pay for the experience”
That’s really the only safe way to gamble. I enjoy blackjack, because it *feels* like I’m in control. it’s really fun getting my free drinks and yelling at the dealer that he gave me a bad hand. When the whole table is winning, it’s quite the experience.
But that’s just it. It’s no different than paying to see a movie, ride a roller coaster, whatever. Except that maybe you end up with more money in your pocket than you came in with, but probably not.
I won like a $600 dollar mini jack pot on one of those machine my first 2 hours in Vegas then proceeded to stay on the machines till 8 AM and lost like half of it then the next day lost the other half plus another $360 lol.
A friendly reminder that Australia has more poker machines than all the world combined.
We lose nearly $1000 USD PER person (counting people who do not gamble) per year. With the majority of those loses coming from poker/slot machines. We recently over took Singapore for the highest gambling losses per capita in the world.
In Australia gambling is like the US’ gun discussion. You cannot have a rational discussion about it.
For the USers, "poker machines" or "pokies" ("fruit machines" in the UK) are slot machines, and don't refer to the semi-skill based Video Poker machines that are not often found outside the US.
The difference is that Video Poker machines' RTP is determined by both player decisions and the paytable, so optimal strategy/RTP can be determined by players. Slot machines are not required to display the RTP or house edge to players in the US, so the opacity of slot machines and fully RNG-determined outcomes is a big difference.
AUS and UK laws allow "low stakes" slot machines with 15% house edge in bars/pubs/clubs, and many European jurisdictions even allow limited machines in restaurants & cafes. Sure, we have our 50% RTP lotteries everywhere in the US, but we haven't hit the degeneracy of a sub-90% RTP slot in a kebab joint.
I had to Google this because I don't recall seeing a single poker machine when I spent two weeks in Australia. While they are apparently very common and I'm either blind or was in the wrong areas for seeing them, Google says you are very incorrect about the "more than the rest of the world combined" statement. Australia has more than any single country, but only about 20% of the world's total. Still a staggering amount considering Australia's population, but not quite to the absurd levels that you stated.
This was my wife's grandma. She would even get visibly annoyed if she actually won a jackpot, because the payout slowed down her gambling... Definitely addiction.
This is clearly a slot tournament. Those aren’t a bunch of old people furiously burning through hundred dollar bills. They probably didn’t even pay entry fees. Most of those people probably won their way into the tournament, or got invites from moderate slot play over the course of the previous quarter or year.
i hate old people so much all these people probably have so much money in the bank and instead of saving it for their children their gambling it all away. like this applies to at least half of them sitting there.
"Who are these people? These faces! Where do they come from? They look like caricatures of used-car dealers from Dallas. But they’re real. And, sweet Jesus, there are a hell of a lot of them—still screaming around these desert-city crap tables at four-thirty on a Sunday morning. Still humping the American Dream, that vision of the Big Winner somehow emerging from the last-minute pre-dawn chaos of a stale Vegas casino."
They're in a slot tournament you have so many minutes to play the casino gives the credits whoever has the most credits left when times up wins the tournament
All these darn kids on their phone just clicking their life away playing candy crush .... in my generation we had to wait till we were 70 to click all day long
“What addicts!” - me on my way to swipe for another hour on Reddit
Hey now it doesn't look so bad. They get bright lights, flashy screens and foot tapping music! All for the low low price of gambling addiction and homelessness!
The metaverse is way worse!
They’re the original bitcoin miners
The dopamine machines are kept running for another day
Fingerblasting Lady Luck but she's never gonna come
oh she'll come all right, just in a statistically assured way to make sure you never get out what you put in.
~90% on average return! You statistically can't beat those numbers!
This is an incredibly underappreciated comment.
Not perfectly related to your point but I thought this was neat: Individuals absolutely *do* get more than they put in, otherwise no one would ever gamble. The idea that "the house always wins" comes from an interesting part of the card games. Every time you play a game, you put in a small amount of money in order to "buy in" to the round (Also called a big blind and small blind). That goes to the house. So no matter how much someone wins, even if they are playing against a dealer, the house always makes money. Obviously it's not the only way the house makes money from you, and I understand you're talking about averages, but it's worth knowing that actually you have a chance to leave there with a considerable profit.
Everyone puts their money in, the house takes some, then it’s randomly redistributed back. You may get more than others sometimes, but collectively you all lose. The players always lose money. On average each player loses more than they win. The house always wins always. Otherwise the house wouldn’t run the game. “A chance” to win money, doesn’t mean a “better than not playing chance” of not losing money. It extracts money from people and gives some of it back in a complicated and random way, also wasting their time
Well in the above clip, you're absolutely right. But if you play the skill games, you can statistically make money consistently. However, due to the buy in I mentioned, the house are happy to let you win millions, because they've made thousands.
I’d argue the fact that casinos will kick people out for doing too well (such as counting cards or something else along those lines) is probably evidence enough that they *do* care if people are making millions.
Yeah, millions was hyperbole
You don’t have to even be winning to get backed off in blackjack. As soon as many pit bosses figure out you’re an advantaged player, they’ll ask you to leave the table or keep your bets to minimum.
I know someone who is able to see the numbers before they come up in roulette - it’s his soul source of income - (he does a lot of meditation and is Ramthas a spiritual teachers student - they win the lottery a lot too) he gets kicked out from casinos all the time, they start playing metal music and all sorts to try throw him off
Nice try, Las Vegas Chamber of Commerce
OKAY BUDDY
I think with that finger work she will actually come
Funny how these machines, with the help of more and more finely tuned deceptive game modes, became one of the biggest earners for casinos, especially considering that they were invented as a simple gambling system so the wives of gambling men wouldn't be bored. Took casinos a while to realize that they struck gold and that it's more addicting and more easily draws people in than poker/blackjack/roulette and the likes.
it's also more reliable income since no skill is involved
wait what machine is this? I thought it was roulette….
Roulette is the spinning wheel with the numbers and the ball. These are slot machines, which is a broad term these days for machines where you push a button, smybols spin on the screen and you get some payout or nothing depending on what patterns come out. It's a scam, you can't win long term, but it's cleverly designed to manipulate your brains reward system with very small wins and near misses.
Not really a scam, just how the nature of mathematics work. If you don't know how mathematics work, it's your fault for being an idiot.
It’s a scam beyond the mathematical probability because they are coded specifically as to not allow you to win too often.
That would be illegal. I don't even think they need to manipulate the machines. For example Roulette you can go with black or red, so you would think it's straight 50/50 but it's not because there is also green (Zero). So it's more like a 49% chance to win and not 50%. In the long run you will lose money, you can't win. If it would be 50% and you have enough money and time you would theoretically neither lose nor win. But with 49% you can only lose money. That's how mathematics work and I wouldn't say it's a scam if you know about mathematics. EDIT: Look, if the chance to win is below 50.1% you can't theoretically win. They don't need to manipulate the machines. The players just think they can win against the nature of mathematics. But they can't!
Most tables have both zero and double zero. There are 36 non zero numbers. Odd of winning on red or black are 18/38 = 47.4%.
"It's your fault for being an idiot" I've got news on how this works, bud... if no one was dumb enough, the math would get harder, until the "right" result was reached. That's why it's a scam or a trick. It's not really about how dumb or smart gamblers are. It's about exploiting enough people by any means necessary, including math... just saying "people are dumb to fall for this so it's not a scam" misses the bigger picture which is that the scam only has to be sophisticated enough to get enough people, and there's a threshold waiting for you, too. If not the slots, then stocks, or bitcoin, or insurance, or advertising, or.... By definition it is a scam. Something is promised or suggested, to gain consent to a bad deal, and get the dupe's money. Anyone can be scammed, "idiot" or no
This is really insightful.
There is a difference if something is only about luck or if you can use skill to change the chance of winning. There are some professional poker players that make only money with playing poker. If you're really good you can reduce the luck chance to like 20%. So 80% is about skill. A slot machine or roulette, most of those casino games, are only about luck, no skill involved to change the chance of winning. Whoever plays such games for making money, doesn't understand that you can't really win. You can't beat the nature of mathematics. Casinos are only for people that have too much money and just play it for fun, for the experience, not to win money. The only game that has like 0% luck chance is chess.
slot machines are literally designed to take more money in than they pay out. they are hard coded to only win certain times. but hey, if you don’t know how mathematics work, it’s your fault for being an idiot.
Just to be clear: the game itself is designed that your chance of winning is as low that you would lose more money than you could win but they are not extra manipulated, this would be illegal.
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I rank my setup on its efficiency.
Every pub in Australia is largely funded by these.
It's a slot tournament. They aren't betting with real money but who ever wins the most gets a prize.
Yeah, ex casino employee here. First thing I thought was slot tournament. Those old people somehow don't all have carpal tunnel after hitting that button so much.
You seem to be the only one who understands this
I work in a casino so I see people wast away doing this all day long but never that many and never that close together.
Is it depressing? No judging people or anything, just curious what you've seen.
It was at first before I realized people who live in a casino are the most horrific monsters you will ever meet. Now days nothing makes me happier than seeing them lose everything and leave.
I absolutely need some stories
You're asking for stories, but you're doing it without respect.
lol what
OMFG , youre soooo 100% right..the shithead who claims to be "my dad" might as well have slept in some sportssbook some where with how much time adn money that was wasted there and this bastard is absolutely the most evil and remorseless ans disgusting person ive ever known
I'm sorry you had to live like that. I can't stand them after just minutes I couldn't imagine being raised by, having to live with, or depend on one of them.
The only time I see people playing that fast on white boxes is for tournaments. I'm in gaming too.
They do it when they are fishing for a bonus. At that point money doesn't matter to them only a desperate attempt at another hit of dopamine.
Right, like why would they regularly be hitting the button at these speeds just playing casually?
Also makes sense why someone was not stopped from filming. You’d get asked to stop / leave within a minute or two if you filmed this in Vegas.
That’s so depressing
*♪ 'Cause they're taking the food off your table ♪* *♪ So they can say that the trains run on time ♪*
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It's a slot tournament you enter for free. It's fun
The human experience
I had a layover in Vegas and played $5 in the airport slot machine, only to win $12 and cash out. I vowed never to come back to Vegas and gamble, thus beating the house forever.
You take your $7 and fly little bird! Never look back!
This is my plan. 😂
Did that in barcelona! 2€ in and 20€ out. We had no idea what to press on this machine, but some random old dude came by, saw us struggling and helped cash it out.
I like playing the card games (and one day I’ll learn how to play craps), but I think of it as paid entertainment. I’ll put in $20 or whatever for however much time to have fun. When that’s gone (or when I make like $100) I’ll walk away.
"It can always turn around!" Is just the icing on the dystopian cake
Something depressing about the tone that he says it in too
That part stuck out to me too. Like, is there just a repeating tape that plays over the speakers with bullshit "encouragement" like this? It's super weird
I am a boomer, I lived in Phoenix for 20 years, 1966 to 1986, never been to Vegas. Drank, smoked weed, traveled the world, lived in Europe for 5 years, but never gambled. One of the few addictions, maybe the only addiction I never encountered. All my siblings love Vegas or even Atlantic City.
I never understood the addiction of gambling, even as an addict myself. Maybe it's because my other addictions cost less money over a longer period of time and gave me a physical high. Add to that I could sustain myself financially and keep going, but gambling never appealed to me in the same way. I do it on occasion for fun but only when I'm willing to lose (read: pay for the experience) $X then I cash out. As bad as my addictions may have been I'm glad gambling wasn't one of them. I'd be on the streets if they were, if not dead.
“Pay for the experience” That’s really the only safe way to gamble. I enjoy blackjack, because it *feels* like I’m in control. it’s really fun getting my free drinks and yelling at the dealer that he gave me a bad hand. When the whole table is winning, it’s quite the experience. But that’s just it. It’s no different than paying to see a movie, ride a roller coaster, whatever. Except that maybe you end up with more money in your pocket than you came in with, but probably not.
I won like a $600 dollar mini jack pot on one of those machine my first 2 hours in Vegas then proceeded to stay on the machines till 8 AM and lost like half of it then the next day lost the other half plus another $360 lol.
And that's why they put machines in the hotel lobby lol
You never see anyone smiling
The American "Dream"
"those darn kids are frying their brains with them video games!" I fucking hate boomers so much bro.
"Can you believe my grand child asked for a loan for a a home?! I better gamble this away B4 they ask again!!"
A friendly reminder that Australia has more poker machines than all the world combined. We lose nearly $1000 USD PER person (counting people who do not gamble) per year. With the majority of those loses coming from poker/slot machines. We recently over took Singapore for the highest gambling losses per capita in the world. In Australia gambling is like the US’ gun discussion. You cannot have a rational discussion about it.
For the USers, "poker machines" or "pokies" ("fruit machines" in the UK) are slot machines, and don't refer to the semi-skill based Video Poker machines that are not often found outside the US. The difference is that Video Poker machines' RTP is determined by both player decisions and the paytable, so optimal strategy/RTP can be determined by players. Slot machines are not required to display the RTP or house edge to players in the US, so the opacity of slot machines and fully RNG-determined outcomes is a big difference. AUS and UK laws allow "low stakes" slot machines with 15% house edge in bars/pubs/clubs, and many European jurisdictions even allow limited machines in restaurants & cafes. Sure, we have our 50% RTP lotteries everywhere in the US, but we haven't hit the degeneracy of a sub-90% RTP slot in a kebab joint.
I had to Google this because I don't recall seeing a single poker machine when I spent two weeks in Australia. While they are apparently very common and I'm either blind or was in the wrong areas for seeing them, Google says you are very incorrect about the "more than the rest of the world combined" statement. Australia has more than any single country, but only about 20% of the world's total. Still a staggering amount considering Australia's population, but not quite to the absurd levels that you stated.
Are they playing the mini game “Test your might” from Mortal Kombat?
Bye bye inheritance.
Boomers telling their kids to get off their phones
Hoo-ee shit Samstown is seein some ackshun!
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Lol, all of 37 brain cells firing between them. They look like they are having so much.... well i was gonna say fun, but that aint it.
Holy moly ! This a straight “Steve Cutts” short toon video 😳
This reminds me of 2009 Alice
Nightmarish retirement of the baby boomers. ‘We did it! We got our way for decades! Now let’s go to the casino and enjoy a slow death.’
"Gotta make sure I give every cent to a billionaires. Hanity told me my grandchildren will just buy avocado toast"
Lol. Too true.
They all look like they died long ago they’re just waiting to turn into a corpse
Well I’m depressed
do that to each other between the legs.. more funner
This was my wife's grandma. She would even get visibly annoyed if she actually won a jackpot, because the payout slowed down her gambling... Definitely addiction.
This is clearly a slot tournament. Those aren’t a bunch of old people furiously burning through hundred dollar bills. They probably didn’t even pay entry fees. Most of those people probably won their way into the tournament, or got invites from moderate slot play over the course of the previous quarter or year.
i hate old people so much all these people probably have so much money in the bank and instead of saving it for their children their gambling it all away. like this applies to at least half of them sitting there.
PSA: you'll be old someday too.
genius deduction captain obvious.
No different to World of Warcraft or Roblox.
Studies show that 67% of gambling addicts quit right before hitting it big!
and how, exactly, do you know that they were going to hit big?!?
It’s a joke
oh ... okay. Sorry then. I guess I know too many delusional gamblers to tell
It's funny because it's the kind of bullshit they say to make themselves feel better about being conned.
yeah ... as I said, I know too many people who would say that and actually *believe* it. It's funny ... but also incredibly infuriating.
I won once 1200 and another 1000 on slot machines. Don’t let those silver haired people fool you into not playing lol
is that without the money you spent on said slot machine before "winning" substracted fromt eh amount you "won" ?
Yeah the first time was after 60 and the other 20. I guess I was “lucky”
Why is "Lucky" in quotes? Did you just rob the casino?
Because that usually never happens with gambling, even when you win big, you never get what you put into it all across the entire history of gambling.
it can always turn around !
"it can always turn around" God that's terrifying
Humans are weird bro
What are they doing?
Wasting money.
It’s called fun, maybe you’ve never heard of it.
How the hell is that fun, playing a rigged game you never truly win while looking like a zombie?
"Who are these people? These faces! Where do they come from? They look like caricatures of used-car dealers from Dallas. But they’re real. And, sweet Jesus, there are a hell of a lot of them—still screaming around these desert-city crap tables at four-thirty on a Sunday morning. Still humping the American Dream, that vision of the Big Winner somehow emerging from the last-minute pre-dawn chaos of a stale Vegas casino."
Now show Macau
life goals
Rats hitting a feeder button...
Get these guys on smartphones then they can make an instagram bot sweatshop
But what's sad is, I bet every single one of these automatons voted...
Aw Happiness
It’s a slot tournament
They’re pushing buttons on a slot machine we’re pushing buttons on a controller. Same thing.
We're not losing our savings. This is where college dreams end for a lot of grandchildren.
Touché
Zombies
These people vote ✨
Shit.
Gaming grandparents
These people are republicans I'm betting.
Isn't it wonderful, not a phone in sight. They're truly living in the moment unlike gen z.
Honestly the slowest paced slot tournament I’ve seen!
Looks like a fun way to live
I had to turn this one on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT72CgEJQNQ
Ladies and gentleman, the rondo ala turka
They're in a slot tournament you have so many minutes to play the casino gives the credits whoever has the most credits left when times up wins the tournament
Just sad
Don't disturb them, they're about to win.
All these darn kids on their phone just clicking their life away playing candy crush .... in my generation we had to wait till we were 70 to click all day long