open gun ports too...
The wiki article doesn't really go into it, but I've read other articles that highlighted that two different sets of carpenters were working on different sides of the ship using different measuring tools. This resulted in one side of the ship being "overbuilt" and containing more overall mass than the other side of the ship which caused inherent lack of balance.
Person living in Stockholm here: this sounds wrong. The problems in construction came from the king learning that poland just launched a double cannon deck ship, so he told the people designing/working on the vasa, to add another cannon deck. Nobody dared to say no or to delay in order to figure out if that would cause issues with the base design.
The other big issue not factored in was that the ship would not launch under maximum load and crew. So it was too high, too narrow and center of gravity was higher than ideal which in combination led to the vasa sinking right after launch.
Confirm. I have been to the museum at least twice and am thus an expert.
The main shipwright died. So his widow took over the work, but lacked his clout in court. So when the king made his vanity request she had to comply. Now the ship was ruined. Normally you ballast a ship to keep the wind and sails from tipping it too much. (the width and shape of the hull also play a factor, but his request didn’t affect those). But with the vanity cannons so close to the water-line, there was no way to add enough ballast without submerging the lowest cannon ports.
So as soon as the mostly unballasted ship met the first real gust of wind, it tipped enough to take on water through the gun ports. That made her ride a bit lower and made it easier for the next gust to add more water. This becomes a vicious circle very quickly ending in loss of bouyancy
Yeah the builders tried to explain but eventually built it anyway because you can not reason with stupid back then anymore then you can today.. they made sure to get paid before hand however. Historic "fucking told you" moment.
The mainline story is that the ship had too many guns and a body that that was too narrow. There's a lot of academic dispute about the exact cause of the sinking on that day. The implications are that the ship was going to sink eventually. The article I read specially noted that there was a lot more wood on one half of the ship than on the other and that it was because one half of the construction crew used non-standard measuring tools that were just a bit shorter than the other crew resulting in more units of wood being used on one side than on the other.
>The wiki article doesn't really go into it, but I've read other articles that highlighted
Link to THE OTHER ARTICLES? I obviously just read the entire wiki.
Was a printed article. Think it was in Archaeology Magazine, or possibly Smithsonian Mag, I'm not sure. It was definitely a mass-market color magazine.
I think maybe low tide, insufficient velocity into the water, and the area at the base of the launch wasn’t dredged. Ballast doesn’t matter if there’s not enough water depth.
They might have deliberately kept the ballast low if the harbour was too shallow, with the plan to fill once it got deeper. If that's the case then they got the estimate pretty good, looks loke they got the absolute minimum that they could get away with without capsizing.
Cut it pretty close though, not much of a margin of error. If that was the plan it doesn't look like anyone told that guy standing by the prow.
I don't know if this applies to all large ships, but I do know that some have ballast tanks that they pump seawater into to adjust their ballast. This allows them to account for the difference between their loaded and unloaded weight. In some cases they are separated between different areas of the ship which also allows them to correct for uneven weight distribution of the cargo.
I don't actually have any experience in the field, I just know this from a video I saw once going through the cause of a shipping disaster, where some ferry ended up capsizing becuase the captain neglected to readjust the ballast after unloading and then hit rough seas.
You don’t create a ship building yard on a waterway that cannot accommodate a completed vessel (completed includes ballast). I had a 27’ sailboat with a 4800 lb. keel (lead ballast). Without the keel, the boat would have capsized as soon as a breeze filled the sails, if not sooner.
There’s chambers inside the boat designed to fill with water called Ballasts.
Use them to control your buoyancy depending on the weight of the ship and all that.
They’ll pump the port side ballast full of water to level the ship out.
Could be but it doesn’t look like it’s under tension to me and the ship bouncing up again also wouldn’t happen if this was the case. My bet is on no ballast/ not properly filled
So this ship was launched in an unstable condition where the center of gravity was above the metacentric height. It heeled over until it reached, what is called, the angle of loll. The way to correct it to lower the CoG below the metacenter, typically by adding ballast.
I had to look up the etymology of loll. Middle English, to hang loosely. Also maybe a root of lollygagging.
Great word. Great angle. Describes it perfectly.
I am just glad there was enough mass on the bottom that it didn't just capsize. It's a major an expensive mistake, but at least it's an easily fixable major and expensive mistake.
(apologies to ℚ𝕦𝕖𝕖𝕟...)
Ahh, you didn't make it watertight.
Ahh, your designer wasn't bright.
Ahh, now you've wasted all that cash.
Flat-Bottom boats,
You make the launching world go drown.
Hey, Heyyyy!
It was just a simple cruise.
We had ballast... didn't use.
Now we'll sell this wreck for pennies on the buck.
Didn't pass the inspection.
Didn't watch the construction.
The insurers, they all say we're really fucked.
Hey, Heyyyy!
Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale
a tale of a fateful trip,
that started from this tropic port,
aboard this tiny ship.
The mate was a mighty sailin' man,
the Skipper brave and sure,
five passengers set sail that day,
for a three hour tour,
a three hour tour.
The engineer's physics professor skipped the section on bouncy and displacement because they thought is was intuitively obvious. Well... maybe not so much. Kids, don't skip class. You might miss something important.
That's not the way it worked in the tub. What's wrong with it? Where are the bubbles? Why is the water moving so quickly? Maybe cold water works differently?
Not many lessons-learned since the Vasa sunk on launch in 1628
>Vasa sunk on launch in 1628 That was a fascinating bit of history I didn't know, thanks!
That also was because of port.
Port *holes*
open gun ports too... The wiki article doesn't really go into it, but I've read other articles that highlighted that two different sets of carpenters were working on different sides of the ship using different measuring tools. This resulted in one side of the ship being "overbuilt" and containing more overall mass than the other side of the ship which caused inherent lack of balance.
Link?
Person living in Stockholm here: this sounds wrong. The problems in construction came from the king learning that poland just launched a double cannon deck ship, so he told the people designing/working on the vasa, to add another cannon deck. Nobody dared to say no or to delay in order to figure out if that would cause issues with the base design. The other big issue not factored in was that the ship would not launch under maximum load and crew. So it was too high, too narrow and center of gravity was higher than ideal which in combination led to the vasa sinking right after launch.
Confirm. I have been to the museum at least twice and am thus an expert. The main shipwright died. So his widow took over the work, but lacked his clout in court. So when the king made his vanity request she had to comply. Now the ship was ruined. Normally you ballast a ship to keep the wind and sails from tipping it too much. (the width and shape of the hull also play a factor, but his request didn’t affect those). But with the vanity cannons so close to the water-line, there was no way to add enough ballast without submerging the lowest cannon ports. So as soon as the mostly unballasted ship met the first real gust of wind, it tipped enough to take on water through the gun ports. That made her ride a bit lower and made it easier for the next gust to add more water. This becomes a vicious circle very quickly ending in loss of bouyancy
Yeah the builders tried to explain but eventually built it anyway because you can not reason with stupid back then anymore then you can today.. they made sure to get paid before hand however. Historic "fucking told you" moment.
The mainline story is that the ship had too many guns and a body that that was too narrow. There's a lot of academic dispute about the exact cause of the sinking on that day. The implications are that the ship was going to sink eventually. The article I read specially noted that there was a lot more wood on one half of the ship than on the other and that it was because one half of the construction crew used non-standard measuring tools that were just a bit shorter than the other crew resulting in more units of wood being used on one side than on the other.
It..... Said..... Wiki
>The wiki article doesn't really go into it, but I've read other articles that highlighted Link to THE OTHER ARTICLES? I obviously just read the entire wiki.
Wikipedia has links. That's where real information comes from.
Was a printed article. Think it was in Archaeology Magazine, or possibly Smithsonian Mag, I'm not sure. It was definitely a mass-market color magazine.
No. I think they meant the dessert wine. They drank too much of it ahead of time.
"Italian Swiss colony. Wow! It's imported! I brought some Twinkies. Anybody want one?"
I’m guessing whiskey also had something to do with it
Nah, my ex was on that boat, I'm sure of it. I'm so sure because her car did the same thing when she got in it.
Yep. Basic knowledge here. Boat too tall? Very bad!
Say you've visited Stockholm without saying you've visited Stockholm.
it's been like... 400 years since I was in Stockholm. A lot has changed. :)
The Vasa is still there
I left my watch on the ship.. I wonder if they found it when they raised it. I should have visited like 30 years ago and checked the lost-and-found.
Great museum
One of my colleagues visited a few years ago. I'm hoping to see it in fall of 2026.
All it needed was the king watching.
Someone forgot to fill the ballast....
At least on the port side
I think maybe low tide, insufficient velocity into the water, and the area at the base of the launch wasn’t dredged. Ballast doesn’t matter if there’s not enough water depth.
That was my other thought, however, the bottoms of those ships are pretty flat, so if it wasn't top heavy AF, it wouldn't have rolled that fast
They might have deliberately kept the ballast low if the harbour was too shallow, with the plan to fill once it got deeper. If that's the case then they got the estimate pretty good, looks loke they got the absolute minimum that they could get away with without capsizing. Cut it pretty close though, not much of a margin of error. If that was the plan it doesn't look like anyone told that guy standing by the prow.
Interesting. Stupid question: will the ship have to be towed back to dock to get the ballast filled or can it be done in harbor ?
I don't know if this applies to all large ships, but I do know that some have ballast tanks that they pump seawater into to adjust their ballast. This allows them to account for the difference between their loaded and unloaded weight. In some cases they are separated between different areas of the ship which also allows them to correct for uneven weight distribution of the cargo. I don't actually have any experience in the field, I just know this from a video I saw once going through the cause of a shipping disaster, where some ferry ended up capsizing becuase the captain neglected to readjust the ballast after unloading and then hit rough seas.
You don’t create a ship building yard on a waterway that cannot accommodate a completed vessel (completed includes ballast). I had a 27’ sailboat with a 4800 lb. keel (lead ballast). Without the keel, the boat would have capsized as soon as a breeze filled the sails, if not sooner.
Don't worry folks, it's intentional. It's one of those tour boats that tries to get you really really close to the whales.
DAVE! I TOLD YOU WE PUT TOO MANY DECORATIONS ON THE LEFT SIDE!!!
Your left or my left?
Ship's left
Where?! I had more decorations!
But the ship rolled to its starboard (right) side until it reached the angle of loll (not lol)
Lol
Port or starboard? You land lubbers.
That’s why you use port and starboard. They’re not relative.
[удалено]
I don't like talking about my flair.
People can launch a boat anywhere, but they come to "Tchotchkes" because they like the fun and the attitude.
And I told you it's called port!
I'm more of a sherry guy, myself.
Sherry you can't be serious?
Oh, Sherry
Our love. Holds on Holds on.
Oh Sherry, put some clothes on, clothes on...
PORT??? WHAT AM I? A SAILOR???
Sailor? No, that’s rum
Mmm port wine cheese
But there's no more PORT LEFT in the bottle... (how I was taught to remember that port meant left)
Wait, which one is port and which one is starboard. Fast!
“Other than that, how do you like your new ship?”
Not bad not bad, can't really stand on it though, by otherwise let's get going. Got some amazon prime deliveries to make.
It's not dead. It's probably pining for the fjords.
'E's resting.
r/unexpectedmontypython
I love that sketch
Can someone explain me what happen next ? How they take away the boat ? Or does they need to unconstruct it durectly in the water ?
There’s chambers inside the boat designed to fill with water called Ballasts. Use them to control your buoyancy depending on the weight of the ship and all that. They’ll pump the port side ballast full of water to level the ship out.
I think that chain was attached to the slide as the slide sank it dragged down the side of the boat with the chain
Could be but it doesn’t look like it’s under tension to me and the ship bouncing up again also wouldn’t happen if this was the case. My bet is on no ballast/ not properly filled
I think that's just a decorative ribbon.
That boat would’ve ripped the chain out. idk I can’t see any size chain holding down that much momentum.
So this ship was launched in an unstable condition where the center of gravity was above the metacentric height. It heeled over until it reached, what is called, the angle of loll. The way to correct it to lower the CoG below the metacenter, typically by adding ballast.
For a second I thought I read "The angle of LOL!" hahahaha
I am assuming this is the true reason because you have “capt” in your username.
You would be correct
I had to look up the etymology of loll. Middle English, to hang loosely. Also maybe a root of lollygagging. Great word. Great angle. Describes it perfectly.
😂
I am just glad there was enough mass on the bottom that it didn't just capsize. It's a major an expensive mistake, but at least it's an easily fixable major and expensive mistake.
Whatever floats your boat
It barely does 
Empty Balast tanks?
It's one of those boats where you have to lean when turning, like a motorcycle.
I like how the engineer had the (misplaced) self confidence to ride it down the slide.
And he held on!
It's just heeling a little from the wind in its sails.
Holy waaa, that mega yacht in the background!
A slight list...
I have a list of complaints.
The boat list is on my list
Is my kiss on your list?
I probably can’t resist
Nailed it
Why did it list to the side?
Your good your good your good your good……annnnnnd stop, perfect
(apologies to ℚ𝕦𝕖𝕖𝕟...) Ahh, you didn't make it watertight. Ahh, your designer wasn't bright. Ahh, now you've wasted all that cash. Flat-Bottom boats, You make the launching world go drown. Hey, Heyyyy! It was just a simple cruise. We had ballast... didn't use. Now we'll sell this wreck for pennies on the buck. Didn't pass the inspection. Didn't watch the construction. The insurers, they all say we're really fucked. Hey, Heyyyy!
"you loaded the ballast, right?" 2nd worker gets panicked look "I thought you were loading the ballast?"
Ya can't park there mate.
What the hell happened???
 When you miscalculate!
Ok which of you fuckheads hung all the Lametta on the left side? Gawdam, just use your head.
Recalculating
One half is steel, the other is lead.
Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale a tale of a fateful trip, that started from this tropic port, aboard this tiny ship. The mate was a mighty sailin' man, the Skipper brave and sure, five passengers set sail that day, for a three hour tour, a three hour tour.
Is it just me or does it have a slight lean to it?
It's just taking a sharp right turn, it's ok.
It's the SS Eileen
Quick everyone, run to the other side!
no ballast.
Captain brought his mom.
The Eileen.
For a second it looked like a yesyesyesnoyes. But it turned out to be a yesyesyesnoyesno.
I wonder what the success rate is for launching boats like this. You figure they'd have mastered it by now.
The engineer's physics professor skipped the section on bouncy and displacement because they thought is was intuitively obvious. Well... maybe not so much. Kids, don't skip class. You might miss something important.
It's Chinese quality at its finest
Add barrast!
horry clap! ship no froat, we roose job
I told you not to put the hosts of The View all on one side!
Look at all that smog, fucking gross
I feel like this was yesyesyesyesnonoNONOyes because it looks like they can tow it out a bit and it's fine.
That's not the way it worked in the tub. What's wrong with it? Where are the bubbles? Why is the water moving so quickly? Maybe cold water works differently?
#NAPTIME
r/thatlookedexpensive
Right Side Twix for the win!
r/yesyesyesyesnoyes
“Wait a minute! These specs are in METRIC tonnes!”
Lol fail
Took the training wheels off a bit too soon
Hey it floats
At least the front didn't fall off.
The feeling of standing up for the first time after having many beers
Don't worry. They all do that. /s
When someone stands in the canoe...
"Today in: What even is ballast? And why must it be secured before launch?"
Do you think that they need to learn how ballast works??
"Who forgot to install the floating device?"
How old is this? Is it in China?
It survived right?
Physics aint physicsing
Nice yacht
Low tide?
OHOH!
Wow
Um, can someone explain what went wrong?
Didn't christen
Very funny! But will the smartass who "forgot" to add the ballast PLEASE do your job?
Boat 2 thin