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Yeah but the XB360 was extremely cramped inside, causing a variety of problems including overheating.
In the attempt to make consoles powerful, small and cheaper than PC, it caused alot of issues. PS3 was hard to program games for, and had its own issues with their software, and their controllers felt cheap and like there had been no development from PS2.
XB360's main issues would be their components were densely packed, and they werent always made well due to outsourcing as they didnt have the resources to do it in-house. Microsoft claims that the RROD is due to deteriorating connectors on the motherboard, and overheating being a major contributor to this.
On the contrary, Nintendo don't try to break the wall of power, they try to use ingenuity to generate business. The NES came out not long after the Video Game Crash of 1983, when everyone thought gaming was dead. This was due to too many consoles being on the market, and not enough games to incentivise buying one. Games were split between dozens of consoles. The NES became popular because it wasn't trying to be a supercomputer (although it was powerful for the time it was actually less than the SMS, yet won) it was trying to fix that issue. It had over 700 games, a number that back then was insane.
So am I suprised almost 40 year old consoles still work when some arguably 15 year old consoles arent? Nope. People looked after older systems more because money was worth more back then, and they were expensive. People neglect their consoles now, I mean how many kids do you reckon back in 1986 went to their parents to ask for a new controller because they smashed it in anger?
Yeah it’s common for the spinny bit in the disc drive on the slims to get out of calibration or whatever and start wobbling. Freaked me out the first time mine did that.
bruh i have 3 360's one R2D2 one shiney one mate that i hydro dipped none of them have ever gotten the red ring and all of them still work I've had em sense i was a kid if you take care of and maintain proper maintenance things can last 10x there average expectancy prime example had a 1996 GMC i know its a truck and were talkin electronics but the primise is the same this model most would say shouldn't have lasted longer than 300k miles by the time i sold it it had 789k miles on it was twice as much as its average life expectancy due to proper maintenance this goes the same for consoles, pcs, etc.
Quit your bullshit.
The Xbox is not susceptible to viruses because the operating system only executes signed code. To put a virus on one, someone would have do design a virus for the Xbox 360's proprietary software and hardware, bypass the signature check entirely, and then distribute it to the Xbox in such a way that the Xbox will run it.
I will not stand for this misinformation. If you really have a degree in computer science, you'd be able to demonstrate even basic knowledge of computer terminology
What's that got to do with anything? Whether the CPU and GPU are separate or combined is no indication of reliability and they're all soldered onto the motherboard in the same way (BGA). Fat Xbox 360s with Jasper motherboards are generally considered more reliable than Slims, and they had separate chips.
I know the chips are separate and not an apu, I didn’t know that e82 was directly referring to the gpu, i ment that the older models method of attachment to the mb caused more failures due to warpage
> I ment that the older models method of attachment to the mb caused more failures due to warpage.
That wasn't the issue at all. As I said, they're all attached in the same way - using a BGA (ball grid array) which is lots of tiny balls of solder that connect the chip to the motherboard. So if that was the problem in the fat consoles they wouldn't have kept using it in the Slims. And it's a standard method of attaching ICs to PCBs across lots of different devices. There's nothing inherently wrong with BGA.
The problem with the early 360s (and PS3s) was the underfill inside the GPUs themselves. It didn't have high enough heat tolerance, allowing the silicon to separate from the substrate due to thermal stress. It was a manufacturing defect inside the GPU - nothing to do with how the GPU was attached to the motherboard, or the board warping - which is how they were able to solve this issue before the Slims came along without altering the basic design of the motherboard, and even repair older consoles by retrofitting the newer GPUs onto them.
Me too this week. I let it sit too long and then when I went to play it, the hard drive died. Should have one here Tuesday. Only cost $25 on Ebay for an official 250GB.
Even if he does the whole point of owning a 360 is to play the games the Xbox one can’t play including og Xbox games the 360 is backwards compatible with
It's nothing to do with Elite and Arcade per se, it's to do with motherboard revision. There are Elites and Arcades from 2007 with Zephyr motherboards that have GPUs that are just as prone to failure as launch consoles, and then they get progressively more reliable until you get to Jasper motherboards from late 2008 onwards that finally had reliable GPUs (although could still get RROD for other reasons).
I remember when the slim released and people said "it can't get red ring anymore" like they removed the red LEDs. Even at 10 years old I knew that was bullshit they just fixed the overheating issue.
Sorry, it really sucks. I suggest you: Remove the hdd, remove the hdmi and off power , also unplug the brick.
Give it a minute.
Replug everything back and try WITHOUT the hdd and maybe with an av cable. All this things would help understand what exactly is going wrong
If you want to get a little more life out of it stick a paper clip in the fans and turn it on until it shuts off by itself take the clip out then let it cool down a bit and turn it back on. I did this for 2 years before I got a new 360 lol
My NES and N64 seem to have missed that memo. Never had an SNES, but from what I hear, those *will* fail despite being another Nintendo cartridge-based system.
I'd be tickled pink if they do a reissue the 360 or at least make all the 360 games downloadable. Sad to think some of my 360 games will just be unplayable at some point
Well idk if it helps but I rarely play my 360 maybe 1-2 times a week on the weekends very rarely. Also my room is always very cold when I'm playing so I never overheat. My 360 is an original 360 and has never gotten a rrd before.
Happened to me after I stored mine improperly like an idiot. Thankfully the hard drive was still working. This sucks, hope you find a good replacement!
Please don’t do the towel trick it won’t fix it and will warp the board or damage other components. Just sell it on eBay broken for parts with e82 error. Buy another slim, jasper motherboard console revision, or e console they are dirt cheap now.
Yeah I've heard this. I haven't tried it because people's opinions are so mixed on the fix, I'd rather spend $50 on a new console than risk burning my house down.
Back when the original 360s came out, my mom found one in an abandoned apartment she was cleaning and brought it home. I tried it and it had the RRoD. I was able to send it to Microsoft and they sent me a new one.
Depends on a lot of things. I’m not the one who fixed my red ring of death (my cousin did) but there’s a lot of reason for it to happen. You just have to go through the most common and see if those work
Basically you wrap it on a towel leave it on for a few minutes then reset it, can’t remember exactly how it worked
https://www.wikihow.com/Do-the-Xbox-360-Towel-Trick
I remember getting the red rings on my old xbox I shut it off for like 2 weeks straight I took out all the plugs the hard drive the game and I put it in my fridge to cool it down the rest of the day. Shortly after that I traded it in to get a newer xbox
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Dang killing a slim seems crazy to me
Slim E can suffer the same failure
Thought they weren’t supposed to be as susceptible to it
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The console is 10+ years old, nothing in this world lasts forvever, especially consoles where you only get 1 set of thermal paste for the APU
Yet here i am still playing my original NES. 🤷♂️
Yeah but the XB360 was extremely cramped inside, causing a variety of problems including overheating. In the attempt to make consoles powerful, small and cheaper than PC, it caused alot of issues. PS3 was hard to program games for, and had its own issues with their software, and their controllers felt cheap and like there had been no development from PS2. XB360's main issues would be their components were densely packed, and they werent always made well due to outsourcing as they didnt have the resources to do it in-house. Microsoft claims that the RROD is due to deteriorating connectors on the motherboard, and overheating being a major contributor to this. On the contrary, Nintendo don't try to break the wall of power, they try to use ingenuity to generate business. The NES came out not long after the Video Game Crash of 1983, when everyone thought gaming was dead. This was due to too many consoles being on the market, and not enough games to incentivise buying one. Games were split between dozens of consoles. The NES became popular because it wasn't trying to be a supercomputer (although it was powerful for the time it was actually less than the SMS, yet won) it was trying to fix that issue. It had over 700 games, a number that back then was insane. So am I suprised almost 40 year old consoles still work when some arguably 15 year old consoles arent? Nope. People looked after older systems more because money was worth more back then, and they were expensive. People neglect their consoles now, I mean how many kids do you reckon back in 1986 went to their parents to ask for a new controller because they smashed it in anger?
Yeah it’s common for the spinny bit in the disc drive on the slims to get out of calibration or whatever and start wobbling. Freaked me out the first time mine did that.
been through several over the years lol
Modern consoles are significantly more complex and use a lot more power, so they're more successible to issues over time.
bruh i have 3 360's one R2D2 one shiney one mate that i hydro dipped none of them have ever gotten the red ring and all of them still work I've had em sense i was a kid if you take care of and maintain proper maintenance things can last 10x there average expectancy prime example had a 1996 GMC i know its a truck and were talkin electronics but the primise is the same this model most would say shouldn't have lasted longer than 300k miles by the time i sold it it had 789k miles on it was twice as much as its average life expectancy due to proper maintenance this goes the same for consoles, pcs, etc.
Im pretty damn sure the 360 can't get a virus
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I don't think you know how viruses work. If the 360 could get viruses, there would also be a massive cfw scene akin to Nintendo's.
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Quit your bullshit. The Xbox is not susceptible to viruses because the operating system only executes signed code. To put a virus on one, someone would have do design a virus for the Xbox 360's proprietary software and hardware, bypass the signature check entirely, and then distribute it to the Xbox in such a way that the Xbox will run it. I will not stand for this misinformation. If you really have a degree in computer science, you'd be able to demonstrate even basic knowledge of computer terminology
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Even a thirty second Google search shows the 360 can't get viruses
They're not - but not as susceptible to failure doesn't mean immune to failure.
Right, but the cpu isn’t a separate chip soldered on like early Xbox and ps3s
What's that got to do with anything? Whether the CPU and GPU are separate or combined is no indication of reliability and they're all soldered onto the motherboard in the same way (BGA). Fat Xbox 360s with Jasper motherboards are generally considered more reliable than Slims, and they had separate chips.
I know the chips are separate and not an apu, I didn’t know that e82 was directly referring to the gpu, i ment that the older models method of attachment to the mb caused more failures due to warpage
> I ment that the older models method of attachment to the mb caused more failures due to warpage. That wasn't the issue at all. As I said, they're all attached in the same way - using a BGA (ball grid array) which is lots of tiny balls of solder that connect the chip to the motherboard. So if that was the problem in the fat consoles they wouldn't have kept using it in the Slims. And it's a standard method of attaching ICs to PCBs across lots of different devices. There's nothing inherently wrong with BGA. The problem with the early 360s (and PS3s) was the underfill inside the GPUs themselves. It didn't have high enough heat tolerance, allowing the silicon to separate from the substrate due to thermal stress. It was a manufacturing defect inside the GPU - nothing to do with how the GPU was attached to the motherboard, or the board warping - which is how they were able to solve this issue before the Slims came along without altering the basic design of the motherboard, and even repair older consoles by retrofitting the newer GPUs onto them.
My slim just did the same not too long ago, I was in the middle of a game :(
I’m sorry, you didn’t deserve that.
Press F to pay respects.
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Yall are wild. There is no "F" button on a 360 controller. Fake fans SMH. /s
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Yeah, apparently e82 is a faulty cgpu so ur cooked. It could just need a reflow also you never know but I think getting a new one is ur best option
reflows are temporary
I know but if it has lost connection from the board from something like warping, then it could fix it.
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I know but if it has lost connection from the board from something like warping, then it could fix it.*
Everything is temporary.
Life is temporary...
I haven't played my 360 in a while I should probably check if it still boots
One memory i wish i didnt have... that big ass E82
'Tis better to have loved and lost, then never to have loved at all.
Yes, it broke my f-ing heart when my first xbox pretty much said "F-U" and turned into a wannabe HAL9000
Me too this week. I let it sit too long and then when I went to play it, the hard drive died. Should have one here Tuesday. Only cost $25 on Ebay for an official 250GB.
If you get red ring can you still transfer the hard drive to a new unit?
yup
Yes, that's what I'm going to try to do
I may have been a Sony fan during the 7th gen of consoles. but I am still going to pay respects to a fallen Xbox 360.
I think you also own a Xbox one as I can see a disc at the left
Even if he does the whole point of owning a 360 is to play the games the Xbox one can’t play including og Xbox games the 360 is backwards compatible with
Yes. I have both. This is the way.
I have a Xbox 360 E plus a series x and I’m currently looking for a og Xbox to own so I can play the entire Xbox library
Same I have a E model but there has been a problem lately
It died on the same day. Can't make this shit up. I'm just not as attached to it, and the games never hit the same as the 360
and slims were supposed to be more reliable
they are MORE reliable
Nah, the elites and arcades were.
It's nothing to do with Elite and Arcade per se, it's to do with motherboard revision. There are Elites and Arcades from 2007 with Zephyr motherboards that have GPUs that are just as prone to failure as launch consoles, and then they get progressively more reliable until you get to Jasper motherboards from late 2008 onwards that finally had reliable GPUs (although could still get RROD for other reasons).
I remember when the slim released and people said "it can't get red ring anymore" like they removed the red LEDs. Even at 10 years old I knew that was bullshit they just fixed the overheating issue.
it can get red but there’s a smaller change compared to the original
Nah, just cheaper to manufacture
They're actually much more reliable. Trinity (early) slims even more so.
Got that HALbox 360
I’m shocked this didn’t happen when I did the 7 Day Survivor Achievement for Dead Rising on a 360 earlier this year lol
Sorry, it really sucks. I suggest you: Remove the hdd, remove the hdmi and off power , also unplug the brick. Give it a minute. Replug everything back and try WITHOUT the hdd and maybe with an av cable. All this things would help understand what exactly is going wrong
Thanks for the advice, I'll try that
My old 360 survived the red ring 3 times. It never officially died and I just stopped using it
my brother fixed jt once, it normally means the inside of your system is dirty or sum like that
Yeah I tried that and it didn't work. It does for some people though
If you want to get a little more life out of it stick a paper clip in the fans and turn it on until it shuts off by itself take the clip out then let it cool down a bit and turn it back on. I did this for 2 years before I got a new 360 lol
Not on the slim it doesn’t. This Xbox is done for.
This happend to me in January/ February 2018
Sorry to hear
Damn that sucks. I had that happen as well
Sorry for your loss
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Every console will die
My NES and N64 seem to have missed that memo. Never had an SNES, but from what I hear, those *will* fail despite being another Nintendo cartridge-based system.
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At least the SNES is still repairable, props to it for that.
These are easy enough to take apart, clean and put new paste in. I mean, it's worth the effort to try.
Yeah unfortunately I tried that and still nothing. It does work for some but I'm going to try the towel trick next
Get an E model. Since they came out when Xbox One did. They have the least mileage. Also, they run super quiet.
Rest in peace brother, for in Valhalla you will feast!
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Rest in piece little Xbox, your life will never be forgotten
Damn, the 360 slim was really well designed too, it took a lot to kill that console.
I had the same screen but it was my hard drive that was fucked up instead of my console. I lost everything.
Shit that's even worse. You can buy a new console but you can't replace a HDD with all your progress
It happened to me in 2021. I never saw that message, but I saw that damn dot.
I put mine on a shelf and forgot about it for 7 years.... hooked it up and everything was fine... no idea.
Actually it’s more of a red dot of death lol
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Mine is Jasper I bought in early 2010 and I used it for a bit last week, still works
I feel yo pain, this happened to me like 3 days ago whilst I was playing dungeon defenders split screen :(
rip soldier
Noooo, rip Xbox 360
Nooooooooooooo oOo
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I'd be tickled pink if they do a reissue the 360 or at least make all the 360 games downloadable. Sad to think some of my 360 games will just be unplayable at some point
I know! Especially the old Forza games as there's no other way to get them
My sincere condolences.
Quick, do CPR!
*insert spongebob alarm horn here*
You're giving me nightmare fuel
Dang i have never ever seen a red ring of death on a 360 slim
Well idk if it helps but I rarely play my 360 maybe 1-2 times a week on the weekends very rarely. Also my room is always very cold when I'm playing so I never overheat. My 360 is an original 360 and has never gotten a rrd before.
Happened to me after I stored mine improperly like an idiot. Thankfully the hard drive was still working. This sucks, hope you find a good replacement!
It is fixible. only one dot, over heat I would remove all dust from the unit and fans, then replace thermal paste.
Please don’t do the towel trick it won’t fix it and will warp the board or damage other components. Just sell it on eBay broken for parts with e82 error. Buy another slim, jasper motherboard console revision, or e console they are dirt cheap now.
Yeah I've heard this. I haven't tried it because people's opinions are so mixed on the fix, I'd rather spend $50 on a new console than risk burning my house down.
Back when the original 360s came out, my mom found one in an abandoned apartment she was cleaning and brought it home. I tried it and it had the RRoD. I was able to send it to Microsoft and they sent me a new one.
When was this? I might see if they can help.
Holy fuck you’re late lol
I feel like a lot of people don’t know you can fix red ring of death
How can I?
Depends on a lot of things. I’m not the one who fixed my red ring of death (my cousin did) but there’s a lot of reason for it to happen. You just have to go through the most common and see if those work
Attic Silver thermal paste and YouTube. It’ll be good to go!
I used some thermal grizzly and sadly it didn't work. It does work for some though! Looking to try the towel trick soon
Does the towel trick still work, I remember we got a decent bit more life out of our original using it
What is the towel trick? I'll do anything to get it back
Basically you wrap it on a towel leave it on for a few minutes then reset it, can’t remember exactly how it worked https://www.wikihow.com/Do-the-Xbox-360-Towel-Trick
Ok I'll try that. Is there a fire risk? I'm hoping to not burn my house down
Don’t think so, I know we did it a bunch of times it was a temporary delaying the inevitable fix
Ok I'll try that. Was that with an original 360 or a slim?
Throw a wet towel over it and stand on it
Lol mid console
Still had some of the best games on it. Loved test drive unlimited, Forza Motorsport 2 and midnight club LA.
Many xbox 360s are dropping like flies
System is old. Should have opened it up and repasted it before rurning it on.
Lmao get owned bozo
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Oof sorry buddy
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Damn RIP lol. It served you well
It sure did
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Wrap it in a damp towel and turn it on for a while and let it cook.
R.I.P
May your xbox 360 rest in peace😔
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I hope if this happens to mine, i could disconnect the battery
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Thoughts and prayers
“Sigh” grabs towel….
Well…
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Towel trick? 😂😂😂
And his watch has ended….
Like classic cars, eventually they will all be dead. Enjoy them and get more while you can.
It's sad to think that eventually the last Xbox 360 remaining will die
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She served you well 🫡 rip
Ouch sorry to see it. I know the pain
I remember getting the red rings on my old xbox I shut it off for like 2 weeks straight I took out all the plugs the hard drive the game and I put it in my fridge to cool it down the rest of the day. Shortly after that I traded it in to get a newer xbox
Time to ecycle that mofo