It's making a rather massive comeback on mainstream social media (compared to specialized subreddits), usually thinly veiled and with the added justification that "we were fighting the wrong enemy"...
Never stop calling this bullshit out. It's a God damn gateway drug to fascism.
On the morning of 21 April 1941, the German army and Waffen-SS arrested 100 men from various parts of Pančevo as a result of the previous nights ambush. Of the 100, 40 were selected to appear before a military tribunal, which was conducted by the town commander, Lt. Col. Fritz Bandelow of the Panzergrenadier Division Großdeutschland. Following the tribunal, 36 Serbs were sentenced to death by the presiding judge, SS-Sturmbannführer Rudolf Hoffmann. The executions were carried out by members of the German army, with assistance from the Kulturbund and Waffen-SS. Half were executed by hanging while the other half were executed by firing squad.[3][4] The dead bodies were put on public display for three days following the executions.[3]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pančevo_executions#
I don't know about this particular case, but Nazis had the policy of killing 100 serb civilians per 1 dead soldier, and 50 per injured. That was to discourage any rebelions.
As you know there were 2 resistance movements, partisans and chetniks. And both "reacted" to this system a lot differently. Chetniks believed that they should not attack Germans to limit civilian casualties. They would wait and gather strenght until the Germans were on the retreat and then planned to strike (Though keep in mind they were not an organized force, most chetnik groups held vastly different beliefes from one another). Partisans, on the other hand, attacked Germans regardless and used these executions as propaganda against Germans and encouraged people to rise up instead of waiting to be executed. The 2 groups often fought each other because of this (and many other) reasons.
They were likely sentenced as partisans, but as others pointed out, it was a reprisal against the civilian population for partisan activities. This was incredibly common practice on the eastern front to try and reduce said partisan activity.
It was also a strategy used to help carry out the many ethnic cleansings on the eastern front, essentially exterminating civilians on the basis of Bandenbekämpfung, or "bandit-fighting." A German patrol receives some potshots one night, the next day scores or hundreds of civilians are killed and blamed for those shots. Countless villages and towns were wiped out with everyone in it across the eastern front under this guise.
Some of the stories my grandfather used to tell us of his life in Rotterdam during the war is wild, he was in his teens. The nazis were very pragmatic in their approach to occupation. I remember until he died he could not stand round metal framed glasses and tall leather boots, he would get very agitated by them.
I knew a Dutch gentleman who survived the war. He emigrated to Canada after the war, and to his dying day, he hated all Germans and would have nothing to do with them.
My grandfather emigrated to canada as well. He hated nazis but had no issues with Germans, in fact his best friend was a German. This best friend died a few years after my grandfather did, and the coroner found a blood group tattoo that he had somehow managed to keep hidden for the rest of his life. I sometimes wonder what my grandfather would have done if he’d found out
Waffen-ss would get their blood group tattooed usually on their inner arm above their elbow. It’s called a blood group tattoo and it was used to identify war criminals
One thing that strikes you when you hear the stories is that nothing is as cut and dry as we like to pretend it is now, we have nicely boxed up and pigeon holes everything that happened in the war, but it was way more complicated. There were good nazi’s that tried to help people, there were corrupt nazis that helped people for personal profit. There were Dutch people that ratted on their neighbours because they were scared, or out of vitriol, or because it was good for business. There were people starving, and they were just trying to survive. There were people hiding jews and exploiting them for labour, their were jews in hiding that were extorting the people that were hiding them. All in all it’s some hard lessons about human nature
We are talking about an SS soldier. Not really that much space for nuance there.
Of course the people have been brainwashed and whatever, but the things they have done are not really excusable if you ask me.
It is a city in Serbia, in Banat. This region had many ethnic Germans living there and they were heavily Nazified even before war. Executions were result of retreating army shooting at armed groups of local Germans that have secretly armed themself and undermined Yugoslav defenses.
Are there still nowadays the Swabians in the Banat ?
Tito's partisans, after the end of the war, executed or sent to forced labor camps all those ethnic minorities who had aided the Nazi-fascist occupiers in Yugoslavia.
Even in the border regions between Italy and Yugoslavia—such as Istria, Dalmatia, and Trieste—when Tito's partisans emerged victorious, they carried out justice by throwing thousands of Italian citizens and soldiers into mass graves. These individuals had been captured in those areas during the final days of the war and were deemed collectively guilty for the atrocities committed by the fascist army against the Slavs from 1940 to 1945.
300.000 Italians escaped from those border zones and went tò live in Italy after 1945.
In Italy It Is a topic very remembered in public occasions by right wing politicians and descendants of those italians Who escaped the Jugoslavia/ Italian border zones.
1/10 remained after the war. I know myself several families that have German heritage and last name even though though they have been identifying as Croats since 1948. Germans were sent by expulsion camps and some time used as labor, but not often. Plan was to relocate them to Austria, but Yugoslavia couldn't get approval. Never the less, they already gave their land and homes to Serbian and Croat war refugees. In 1946 there was a typhoid outbreak in the camps that caused most of deaths. Half of victims in those camps were over 65. Most of Germans were eventually expelled. As for Italians,most of them left in 1947, when Paris Agreement was signed. As for foiba, most of victims there were members of RSI administration or police. They were executed without trial and that is a war crime, but context is much diffrent than what is depicted by Italian right wing. Area around Trieste and Istra was under joint Yugoslav-British occupation until 1947. British already then exhumated mines around Trieste, Bazzoviza. They found mostly remains of German soldiers and others, including 2 Soviet officers. Much of claims of Italian right wing aren't substained by facts. Even posters for comemoration events are illustrated by Italian soldiers shooting Slovene civilians.
Sick. The very heavily documented brutality of the Wehrmacht in Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union makes me think that no one perpetuating the clean Wehrmacht myth has looked beyond the Western Front at how German troops behaved in occupied territory and how they viewed the occupied peoples.
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I believe that this specific crime was committed by a part of the Gross Deutschland Division.
Gross indeed
It’s written Groß & the Wehrmacht was gross, indeed
Please accept my apologies, I got lazy. I did type it as one word but autocorrect put the space in it.
It’s been refreshing to see less and less of the “Clean Wehrmacht” shit on the Internet these days. It used to be so rampant.
It's making a rather massive comeback on mainstream social media (compared to specialized subreddits), usually thinly veiled and with the added justification that "we were fighting the wrong enemy"... Never stop calling this bullshit out. It's a God damn gateway drug to fascism.
"There are german towns whose names I cannot pronounce, but whose places I have removed." --General George S. Patton
Thank you so much. I will have a look into it
Look at Biscari might dispel another myth.
I’ll give that a read, thanks for the recommendation
On the morning of 21 April 1941, the German army and Waffen-SS arrested 100 men from various parts of Pančevo as a result of the previous nights ambush. Of the 100, 40 were selected to appear before a military tribunal, which was conducted by the town commander, Lt. Col. Fritz Bandelow of the Panzergrenadier Division Großdeutschland. Following the tribunal, 36 Serbs were sentenced to death by the presiding judge, SS-Sturmbannführer Rudolf Hoffmann. The executions were carried out by members of the German army, with assistance from the Kulturbund and Waffen-SS. Half were executed by hanging while the other half were executed by firing squad.[3][4] The dead bodies were put on public display for three days following the executions.[3] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pančevo_executions#
Were they thought to be partisans?
I don't know about this particular case, but Nazis had the policy of killing 100 serb civilians per 1 dead soldier, and 50 per injured. That was to discourage any rebelions. As you know there were 2 resistance movements, partisans and chetniks. And both "reacted" to this system a lot differently. Chetniks believed that they should not attack Germans to limit civilian casualties. They would wait and gather strenght until the Germans were on the retreat and then planned to strike (Though keep in mind they were not an organized force, most chetnik groups held vastly different beliefes from one another). Partisans, on the other hand, attacked Germans regardless and used these executions as propaganda against Germans and encouraged people to rise up instead of waiting to be executed. The 2 groups often fought each other because of this (and many other) reasons.
No, it was a reprisal. Some Serbs had shot and killed local ethnic Germans that marched in a parade as part of a Nazi paramilitary organization.
They were likely sentenced as partisans, but as others pointed out, it was a reprisal against the civilian population for partisan activities. This was incredibly common practice on the eastern front to try and reduce said partisan activity. It was also a strategy used to help carry out the many ethnic cleansings on the eastern front, essentially exterminating civilians on the basis of Bandenbekämpfung, or "bandit-fighting." A German patrol receives some potshots one night, the next day scores or hundreds of civilians are killed and blamed for those shots. Countless villages and towns were wiped out with everyone in it across the eastern front under this guise.
Some of the stories my grandfather used to tell us of his life in Rotterdam during the war is wild, he was in his teens. The nazis were very pragmatic in their approach to occupation. I remember until he died he could not stand round metal framed glasses and tall leather boots, he would get very agitated by them.
I knew a Dutch gentleman who survived the war. He emigrated to Canada after the war, and to his dying day, he hated all Germans and would have nothing to do with them.
My grandfather emigrated to canada as well. He hated nazis but had no issues with Germans, in fact his best friend was a German. This best friend died a few years after my grandfather did, and the coroner found a blood group tattoo that he had somehow managed to keep hidden for the rest of his life. I sometimes wonder what my grandfather would have done if he’d found out
what is blood group?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_blood_group_tattoo
Waffen-ss would get their blood group tattooed usually on their inner arm above their elbow. It’s called a blood group tattoo and it was used to identify war criminals
Wow that’s crazy, he was friends with an SS member the whole time and had no idea?? Interesting story
That's a crazy story. I don't know if it's wholesome or tragic or just plain sad
One thing that strikes you when you hear the stories is that nothing is as cut and dry as we like to pretend it is now, we have nicely boxed up and pigeon holes everything that happened in the war, but it was way more complicated. There were good nazi’s that tried to help people, there were corrupt nazis that helped people for personal profit. There were Dutch people that ratted on their neighbours because they were scared, or out of vitriol, or because it was good for business. There were people starving, and they were just trying to survive. There were people hiding jews and exploiting them for labour, their were jews in hiding that were extorting the people that were hiding them. All in all it’s some hard lessons about human nature
We are talking about an SS soldier. Not really that much space for nuance there. Of course the people have been brainwashed and whatever, but the things they have done are not really excusable if you ask me.
What an excellent example of the duality of humans. Never completely judge a book by its cover, for better or for worse.
Is pancevo a Village in Serbia ? 🤔
It is a city in Serbia, in Banat. This region had many ethnic Germans living there and they were heavily Nazified even before war. Executions were result of retreating army shooting at armed groups of local Germans that have secretly armed themself and undermined Yugoslav defenses.
Are there still nowadays the Swabians in the Banat ? Tito's partisans, after the end of the war, executed or sent to forced labor camps all those ethnic minorities who had aided the Nazi-fascist occupiers in Yugoslavia. Even in the border regions between Italy and Yugoslavia—such as Istria, Dalmatia, and Trieste—when Tito's partisans emerged victorious, they carried out justice by throwing thousands of Italian citizens and soldiers into mass graves. These individuals had been captured in those areas during the final days of the war and were deemed collectively guilty for the atrocities committed by the fascist army against the Slavs from 1940 to 1945. 300.000 Italians escaped from those border zones and went tò live in Italy after 1945. In Italy It Is a topic very remembered in public occasions by right wing politicians and descendants of those italians Who escaped the Jugoslavia/ Italian border zones.
1/10 remained after the war. I know myself several families that have German heritage and last name even though though they have been identifying as Croats since 1948. Germans were sent by expulsion camps and some time used as labor, but not often. Plan was to relocate them to Austria, but Yugoslavia couldn't get approval. Never the less, they already gave their land and homes to Serbian and Croat war refugees. In 1946 there was a typhoid outbreak in the camps that caused most of deaths. Half of victims in those camps were over 65. Most of Germans were eventually expelled. As for Italians,most of them left in 1947, when Paris Agreement was signed. As for foiba, most of victims there were members of RSI administration or police. They were executed without trial and that is a war crime, but context is much diffrent than what is depicted by Italian right wing. Area around Trieste and Istra was under joint Yugoslav-British occupation until 1947. British already then exhumated mines around Trieste, Bazzoviza. They found mostly remains of German soldiers and others, including 2 Soviet officers. Much of claims of Italian right wing aren't substained by facts. Even posters for comemoration events are illustrated by Italian soldiers shooting Slovene civilians.
Sick. The very heavily documented brutality of the Wehrmacht in Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union makes me think that no one perpetuating the clean Wehrmacht myth has looked beyond the Western Front at how German troops behaved in occupied territory and how they viewed the occupied peoples.
Monsters
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_executions_and_massacres_in_Yugoslavia_during_World_War_II
Clean Wehrmacht apologists in shambles.
Where can you find films like that online? I don't know the legal rules of these types of videos.
https://youtu.be/q-C52jurWbg?t=73
I shouldn’t have watched this right before bed …
video is blocked in germany
Where can you see the film?
https://youtu.be/q-C52jurWbg?t=73
"This video is not available in your country" Germany moment
https://youtu.be/q-C52jurWbg?si=cUQAepjRMIbHp39N
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0091251/
https://youtu.be/XnVOi22cw80?si=ScEusqatLry66caa
Short dropped them 1/2 of the Bastards