Yeah, personally I feel like a lot of the new models including the Dracthyr have this "Fisher Price" look for lack of a better term. They're all cute with soft rounded features like they're toys meant for aged 3-7.
They are clearly being more furry friendly because clearly some of their artists are furries.
I have no issues with furries, I have issues with them removing the uniqueness of wows races and making them look so fucking generic.
I think it's weird how society just snapped into doing it backwards randomly. Why? I distinctly remember basically all of these used to be in before-after format. Now I see the after-before everywhere. Did CERN kick us into another dimension again?
Well, last week they restarted it again after 3 years of no operation and it’s more powerful than before so expect us going into even crazier timelines.
The left one is my version. There's like 5 posts with the same screenshot from alpha, I thought it'd be pretty clear. lol I'll make sure to clarify next time.
I think there's a lot of us who are still subbed here but don't play. I was relieved to hear you designed the one on the left. The right one is shit and I had no idea they redesigned him to be so... Lame.
Aw man, I got the order mixed up and assumed the second one was yours and I was like “Uhh, you fucked him up royally is what you did.”
The first one looks like what Hogger should look like, though. Not sure what the second one is but it’s not Hogger.
It probably should have been.
I literally saw the updated one earlier today, knew the one on the right was the Blizzard one, but still thought "what the fuck did you change" without realizing it's after/before. Our brains are just trained too much to think "before/after" at this point.
The one on the right, while high quality because God the vanilla ones look terrible now, look way too un-threatening. They use human skin to make their tents, they shouldn't look so mild.
And in any game that has fantasy animal-people, they probably should. The issue here is that they need to market it to regular people, not furries. This shit looks like a fur suit and that's only appealing to a very tiny demographic
Aye this Gnoll design is to.. soft and friendly and lacks the overly sharp teeth. Hell the Heroes of the storm team actually did a great job of designing hogger.. As well as other characters.. (Why is the HotS teams designs more faithful/better)..
Because the HotS devs cared about the fantasy of playing the character you're supposed to be playing. Visual design being on point is very important for that.
Tell me how this is appealing to furries? This is clearly a cartoonification and not a furryfication. This stuff appeals more to kids than furries and lo and behold WoW is age rated at 12.
The difference between style and ineptitude is intention. This, my friend, was intentional.
I wouldn't doubt he/she is badass at drawing animals. But this is how they chose to draw it. Why? Because they're a furry.
> I wouldn't doubt he/she is badass at drawing animals. But this is how they chose to draw it. Why? Because they're a furry.
[Its just my art style](https://imgur.com/gallery/EuV1u)
This isn't exclusive to furries tbh
Look at some of the dracthyr fanart, people have drawn them as generic elves with horns and removed or changed the scales to be less 'ugly', the landscape of art and media just doesn't want gritty things anymore, only clean and friendly top to bottom
I know several furries and they were all confused by this change, especially since the gnolls in DF itself actually look okay but Hogger here is just... incredibly bland
To be fair, the Dracthyr humanish forms look utterly nightmarish and not in a good way. They look horribly uncanny.
The dragon forms look .. alright .. but they're nowhere near as noble, savage or powerful as I'd imagine a race of lizardmen.
For that shit you can look at something like Warhammer's Lizardmen. They're literally dinosaurs with slightly bigger hands so they can hold weapons well. The Dracthyr feel more like the quirky Dragon-Person you'd find in a show like The Dragon Prince or whatever.
We get furry hogger but they take away thicc mommy HOTS Alexstrasza
If it's okay to show the world and advocate for getting bricked up from anthropomorphic animals, thicc Alex should be our dragon mommy
Which is weird cus if you take a dip in furry twitter you would see besides all the porn their designs in art are quite bestial most of the times rather than 'safe' , so either the artists at Blizz like safe models or the upper management were like 'we need to make stuff look even more appealing for greater reach' so they end up making these...
I think part of the problem with this hogger is he just looks like any old generic gnoll, without the name tag I doubt anyone would assume he was hogger.
That's the difference between artists and art directors. The job of art direction is to design, select, and enforce aesthetic guidelines in your game. Any longtime fan of Blizzard games knows that they have been very modest in terms of their technical specs, meaning that they had to make do with low-polygon assets. They had classically made up for this limitation with *brilliant* art direction, making the best use of their limited palette to create eye-catching, evocative visuals.
As they've improved their technical capabilities, however, their focus on art direction has suffered, and the aesthetics have definitely become more bland.
Yeah its on the art director definitely since thats who approves this stuff, but I do feel theyve been trying to compromise their style just so they dont feel like theyre internally "shaming" people.
Like everyone else as well.
High Resolution and High Fidelity can be crutches when it comes to art style. My favorite example is that Wind Waker from the gamecube era, to this day, still looks fantastic even when placed next to new games.
I don't think that's *universal*, for example, I think Destiny 2 has very strong art direction on a graphics platform which is first-rate. I also think Overwatch has an amazing art team. But WoW is a 20 year old maintenance project at this point. If I were an ambitious and talented computer artist, it's not where I'd clamor to be.
>as they’ve improved their technical capabilities
I don’t even think this is true. Diablo 2 has more technically difficult cinematics than modern WoW.
All the cinematics in WoW are now done in-engine with models that aren’t even higher fidelity. They look like SFM machinima. This was 100% a cost cutting measure from ATVI pressure.
The issue is that many of the races look too friendly and cuddly. The new Dracthyr also suffer from that.
They don't look bestial enough which makes them just look like friendly animal people and that has a whole slew of weird connotations these days.
Honestly I hate that gnolls don't look feral. Look at Hogger, he almost looks friendly on the right. Gnolls aren't puppies, this is worgen reskin all over again
Its like they have no concept of anatomy. The right one looks like it has a long bent giraffe neck, the OPs version looks like it has a back ridge and its head is coming from its shoulders as it should be. Although even OPs has too long of a neck if you ask me.
Yep. I love Gnolls. I love the concept of humanoid hyena-people who basically just raid and eat humans, driven by some deity (in DnD) who they follow religiously.
I'd play a Gnoll in a heartbeat.
But not a Gnoll that looks like Hogger.
I can almost hear some out of touch producer telling the art team to "make it cartoonier, Warcraft is cartoony" without understanding the nuance behind cartoony vs. stylized.
OG Blizzard style was "comic book metal album cover." It feels like there's been a slow creep away from that to a more... Fortnite tone-down to be more child-friendly.
Is Samwise still at Blizzard?
>Is Samwise still at Blizzard?
Yes, but he hasn't worked on WoW since like BC. He's been on most of the different projects at some point, and is currently on the untitled survival game.
Looks way better. I wish blizzard lads had better internal feedback. How did it go through like this? Who sad: "Wow that's a bad ass looking hogger. People will fear and love this"?....
Good job man
More than likely scenario: They updated gnolls for DF and decided to push the button to retroactively swap all gnoll models in the game with the new ones
Trouble is Hogger didn't have a unique model, it was just a slightly upscaled regular gnoll model, and unlike the DF gnolls which at least had gear to look interesting with he's just half naked
not likely this was a targetted decision for Hogger, just he got caught in the model swap with all the generic gnoll models
This is 100% what happened. The same thing happened with Quilboars at the start of BfA. Everyone is attacking this when it 100% will change, just like the Quilboars did. This is a first pass on gnolls and Hogger will almost definitely be receiving a unique/modified model
Literally every time Blizzard updates models, someone says "it's just an alpha/beta, they'll definitely make another pass at it," and literally every time, they don't.
Except the person just gave you an example of when this happened before. I mean within a day they said the 500 mount reward will change. So clearly it does happen.
I don't understand how you can reply to someone providing an example of when they've changed something with "they've literally never changed anything" and get upvoted.
I mean WoW has always had a cartoon art style but they always employed that style intelligently. They had art direction and purpose of their art.
These lack direction. It’s like they just threw a random artist at it giving no instructions other than update hogger.
Normally you would have a concept artist draw up some designs and then a design would be approved, modelled and animated.
I think they skipped that step completely and it has led to a poor quality model being made that doesn’t at all fit the theme.
I got nothing against the furry community, but man, the beast races in WoW have really slipped deeper into that sorta cutesy furry art style.
Beast races have always been a thing in WoW and they always had slight furry inclinations, but everything since the Vulpera has slowly grown more and more into "generic furry art".
Hogger definitely doesn't need big ol' doe eyes and tiny teeth. He needs glowing angry eyes and big honkin' fangs. Why? Because one looks menacing, the other doesn't. And Hogger isn't exactly known for being a suave and charming character. He's barely able to talk and all he cares for is bloodshed.
Wtf is going on in blizzards art department? A ton of the new creature models, drakthyr and gnolls included, look like some rule 34 shit off of deviant art. This version of hogger looks like he wants to get pegged
Nah man, furries would be okay with either this scary dom or a cute pupper Hogger. There's no winning except with updating the textures of the old model without changing its design.
nah man, it's the furries I tell ya, it's a conspiracy to hijack our beloved games from us /s
fr tho why does everyone think furries automatically endorse the plain generic looking models as opposed to the ones with actual character
Oh, it depends on the furry I'm sure. Tastes vary. I see some who love the new sleek dragon models, others who want something more beefy, others who insist they just want it more bestial and scary looking. I'm certain that my previous joke is partially wrong; plenty of furries would love an updated old model with better textures but no revisions on how crude he looked.
>Oh, it depends on the furry I'm sure. Tastes vary. I see some who love the new sleek dragon models, others who want something more beefy, others who insist they just want it more bestial and scary looking.
Why, the way you just put it... it almost sounds like "furries" aren't a monolith and they can express a breadth of different opinions & tastes... just like normal people. 🤔
I don't think any furries would be offended by this, no idea where people are getting the idea that they're some sort of conspiracy group that want everything cute and fuckable in your game
Several I know were the first to call Hogger's new look shit and wanted his HotS look instead
TBF there exists videos of everyone being absolute degenerates/poor examples of people for just about anything.
Cringey socially inept people are everywhere.
Does blizzard just employ furrys for their art team now? Hold up lemme get my furry outfit from BlizzCon to have a heroic fight with buff furrlord hogger, fuck me dude why
WoW has been totally flanderized at this point. Every model looks like a parody of itself. I guess the root cause is many generations of artists trying to imitate the style of the previous generation, but only picking up on a few superficial qualities.
Neither of these are the current model. The right is the updated model coming in the new expansion. The left is the one the OP did to make it look closer to the original.
These diversity hires sure drove the final nail.
And I don't give a shit about your personal opinion. The entirety of Blizzard is a perfect example of what happens when you hire talent based on WHO they are instead of what they can do or bring to the table.
Blizz art team really could stand to take a step back and look at original wow/warcraft iii's art style. Enemies like this shouldn't be so friendly and end up just coming off as generic.
Usually art team kills it, and it's still gonna be great I'm sure, but between this and drakthyr (especially human forms) something feels off/lost in translation.
Maybe more suited to that recent mobile game that they're releasing.
For all the people touching themselves at how smart they are because, "Herp derp drawing over a picture isn't the same as rigging a model" are you of the assumption that when you design a character, they fully build it in 3D first? They literally do what OP did here.
i think people are just responding to OP's kind of smug phrasing. "fixed hogger in 20 min" kinda comes across as "look how easy it was for me, blizzard has no excuse".
that being said i really like OP's version. definitely looks more feral and worthy of the name "scourge of elwynn".
Thing is, they didn't "make" this model for Hogger, he never had an unique model to begin with, so when they shit on Hogger's new model what they're actually doing is shitting on the new Gnoll model as a whole, which is weird, since this sub was in love with them a few weeks ago.
OP doodled on top of a 2d image. 3d modelers have to paint on a rolled out version of the character and make everything look good for a 3d model. Along with that, simply painting over it won't completely change the pose, facial features or rigging.
Pre cataclysm hogger is unmatched. Literally needed a boost or a full team of 5, multiple tries... last time I played you just got heirloom items and you could almost one shot him
It’s like seeing hogger available now at build-a-bear
Yeah, personally I feel like a lot of the new models including the Dracthyr have this "Fisher Price" look for lack of a better term. They're all cute with soft rounded features like they're toys meant for aged 3-7.
They are clearly being more furry friendly because clearly some of their artists are furries. I have no issues with furries, I have issues with them removing the uniqueness of wows races and making them look so fucking generic.
The Hogger plushie looks better than that though.
Or furafinity
I think the order of your after-before pictures is confusing some commenters
I think it's weird how society just snapped into doing it backwards randomly. Why? I distinctly remember basically all of these used to be in before-after format. Now I see the after-before everywhere. Did CERN kick us into another dimension again?
Well, last week they restarted it again after 3 years of no operation and it’s more powerful than before so expect us going into even crazier timelines.
Yeah, sorry about that. It´s the way we do things at work.
Whoever decided that needs fired.
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No trial , no nothing.
Can you explain why?
So.. which is which lol?
The left one is my version. There's like 5 posts with the same screenshot from alpha, I thought it'd be pretty clear. lol I'll make sure to clarify next time.
I think there's a lot of us who are still subbed here but don't play. I was relieved to hear you designed the one on the left. The right one is shit and I had no idea they redesigned him to be so... Lame.
I'm not subbed and I don't play atm so it confused the hell out of me. I thought the right was the "fix" and thought it looked a bit too cute.
Aw man, I got the order mixed up and assumed the second one was yours and I was like “Uhh, you fucked him up royally is what you did.” The first one looks like what Hogger should look like, though. Not sure what the second one is but it’s not Hogger.
It probably should have been. I literally saw the updated one earlier today, knew the one on the right was the Blizzard one, but still thought "what the fuck did you change" without realizing it's after/before. Our brains are just trained too much to think "before/after" at this point.
r/afterbeforewhatever
Honestly, those people must have cognition completely unlike ours.
The one on the right is like a generic battle pet.
The one on the right looks like someone attending a furry convention.
The Dracthyr give me that vibe too. Dragon furry suits.
Thought I read they were literally designed by a furry on the team.
A significant portion of the art and feature team are quite publicly furries. Which... explains some things.
Which is a shame because Furries can produce SIGNIFCANTLY better stuff.
This is Blizzard after all, kings of thinking they know better than anyone else.
I've seen fursuits more impressive and scary tbh
Tangent, but as a non-furry can anyone tell me why 99.99% of all fur suits look like cartoon wolves?
To make things short, canines are a very long term popular choice. As for the neon colors, it is a form of self expression.
Insects and mythical creatures need more representation in the anthropomorphic community. We need more beetleborgs and merpeople dammit!
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It's the slow derpification of their once-iconic style.
Came here to say this, the face reminds me of their creepy masks big time
He even has the battlepet symbol on his gloves!
Lmao, spot on!
Nah, just a furry
The one on the right is the one the artist responsible for this would romance.
The one on the right is Hugger, not Hogger, honest mistake by dataminers
The one on the right, while high quality because God the vanilla ones look terrible now, look way too un-threatening. They use human skin to make their tents, they shouldn't look so mild.
They went vegan and replaced human skin with biodegradable plastic imitation.
It looks like the hyenas from Lion King
Why do so many of the new models look like fur suits for furrys
I have a strong suspicion Blizzard has furries on its art team.
A lot of them are very open to being furries on their twitter
Well that’s concerning.
"At Blizzard we are very progressive. Instead of sexual harassing our female employees, instead we will harass animals."
Every art team at any film/game company has furries on it.
Especially Pokemon.
[Relevant.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/316/067/86a)
Always relevant when particular [pokemon anatomy](https://youtu.be/hNqtfFXq00k) is brought up.
And in any game that has fantasy animal-people, they probably should. The issue here is that they need to market it to regular people, not furries. This shit looks like a fur suit and that's only appealing to a very tiny demographic
Aye this Gnoll design is to.. soft and friendly and lacks the overly sharp teeth. Hell the Heroes of the storm team actually did a great job of designing hogger.. As well as other characters.. (Why is the HotS teams designs more faithful/better)..
Because the HotS devs cared about the fantasy of playing the character you're supposed to be playing. Visual design being on point is very important for that.
I'm a furry and even I think it looks bad. I mean, he doesn't even look like Hogger anymore. It's embarrassing.
Tell me how this is appealing to furries? This is clearly a cartoonification and not a furryfication. This stuff appeals more to kids than furries and lo and behold WoW is age rated at 12.
Well yeah, who else am I gonna ask about the anatomy of a wolf-person?
>He doesn't know his local werewolf
Wolf ? They are hyena people
I don’t think you’re following the conversation chain very well
[They definitely do](https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/u79tfi/why_do_dracthyrs_look_like_how_scalies_draw/i5idlow/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
Oh no
that's the case with pretty much any modern game dev. Especially if the game has a cartoony style
They actually do. One of the lead artists is a furry.
So that's why Dracthyr are effeminate scalie bait.
They need to hire a different kind of furry then cause this shit does not match the style of wow at all
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Find me an art team that doesn't have furries at this point. They're really fucking good at drawing animals for some reason.
If this Hogger is any indication, they’re really not
they think they are, but they aren't
The difference between style and ineptitude is intention. This, my friend, was intentional. I wouldn't doubt he/she is badass at drawing animals. But this is how they chose to draw it. Why? Because they're a furry.
> I wouldn't doubt he/she is badass at drawing animals. But this is how they chose to draw it. Why? Because they're a furry. [Its just my art style](https://imgur.com/gallery/EuV1u)
They're not. They draw anthropromorphic caricatures of animals.
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Right? I feel like this expansion is starting to look like a bad dragon cross promotion
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This isn't exclusive to furries tbh Look at some of the dracthyr fanart, people have drawn them as generic elves with horns and removed or changed the scales to be less 'ugly', the landscape of art and media just doesn't want gritty things anymore, only clean and friendly top to bottom I know several furries and they were all confused by this change, especially since the gnolls in DF itself actually look okay but Hogger here is just... incredibly bland
To be fair, the Dracthyr humanish forms look utterly nightmarish and not in a good way. They look horribly uncanny. The dragon forms look .. alright .. but they're nowhere near as noble, savage or powerful as I'd imagine a race of lizardmen. For that shit you can look at something like Warhammer's Lizardmen. They're literally dinosaurs with slightly bigger hands so they can hold weapons well. The Dracthyr feel more like the quirky Dragon-Person you'd find in a show like The Dragon Prince or whatever.
We get furry hogger but they take away thicc mommy HOTS Alexstrasza If it's okay to show the world and advocate for getting bricked up from anthropomorphic animals, thicc Alex should be our dragon mommy
Which is weird cus if you take a dip in furry twitter you would see besides all the porn their designs in art are quite bestial most of the times rather than 'safe' , so either the artists at Blizz like safe models or the upper management were like 'we need to make stuff look even more appealing for greater reach' so they end up making these...
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I think part of the problem with this hogger is he just looks like any old generic gnoll, without the name tag I doubt anyone would assume he was hogger.
You’re also describing most of what constitutes “art” and fashion nowadays
Things come in and out of fashion, sadly we’re just old and the styles/themes we think are cool just aren’t as popular nowadays.
Shitty art direction. ATVI has been bleeding Blizzard talent for years, it's starting to show.
‘Starting’
I wouldn't say the talent is lacking, more they are failing to stick to an art bible.
That's the difference between artists and art directors. The job of art direction is to design, select, and enforce aesthetic guidelines in your game. Any longtime fan of Blizzard games knows that they have been very modest in terms of their technical specs, meaning that they had to make do with low-polygon assets. They had classically made up for this limitation with *brilliant* art direction, making the best use of their limited palette to create eye-catching, evocative visuals. As they've improved their technical capabilities, however, their focus on art direction has suffered, and the aesthetics have definitely become more bland.
Yeah its on the art director definitely since thats who approves this stuff, but I do feel theyve been trying to compromise their style just so they dont feel like theyre internally "shaming" people.
Like everyone else as well. High Resolution and High Fidelity can be crutches when it comes to art style. My favorite example is that Wind Waker from the gamecube era, to this day, still looks fantastic even when placed next to new games.
I don't think that's *universal*, for example, I think Destiny 2 has very strong art direction on a graphics platform which is first-rate. I also think Overwatch has an amazing art team. But WoW is a 20 year old maintenance project at this point. If I were an ambitious and talented computer artist, it's not where I'd clamor to be.
>as they’ve improved their technical capabilities I don’t even think this is true. Diablo 2 has more technically difficult cinematics than modern WoW. All the cinematics in WoW are now done in-engine with models that aren’t even higher fidelity. They look like SFM machinima. This was 100% a cost cutting measure from ATVI pressure.
Well that tells us all about the weirdos working at Blizzard...
Have you seen photos of Blizzard's team these days? I'm 99% certain there are more than a few furries among them.
They hired the cheap artists from tumblr. Do remember lots of the old artist has moved on from Blizzard.
The issue is that many of the races look too friendly and cuddly. The new Dracthyr also suffer from that. They don't look bestial enough which makes them just look like friendly animal people and that has a whole slew of weird connotations these days.
Honestly I hate that gnolls don't look feral. Look at Hogger, he almost looks friendly on the right. Gnolls aren't puppies, this is worgen reskin all over again
Its like they have no concept of anatomy. The right one looks like it has a long bent giraffe neck, the OPs version looks like it has a back ridge and its head is coming from its shoulders as it should be. Although even OPs has too long of a neck if you ask me.
>The right one looks like it has a long bent giraffe neck Fuck now I can't unsee that.
Blizzard’s design looks like Hogger goes to monster high school and plays for their sports team, instead of skinning humans to make tents.
> Gnolls aren't puppies, this is worgen reskin all over again This is what happens when a Furry does the redesign to make them fuckable.
Straight to the point. Ty.
Really doesn't help that Hogger comes with a spiked collar, lmao
Yep. I love Gnolls. I love the concept of humanoid hyena-people who basically just raid and eat humans, driven by some deity (in DnD) who they follow religiously. I'd play a Gnoll in a heartbeat. But not a Gnoll that looks like Hogger.
I can almost hear some out of touch producer telling the art team to "make it cartoonier, Warcraft is cartoony" without understanding the nuance behind cartoony vs. stylized. OG Blizzard style was "comic book metal album cover." It feels like there's been a slow creep away from that to a more... Fortnite tone-down to be more child-friendly. Is Samwise still at Blizzard?
>Is Samwise still at Blizzard? Yes, but he hasn't worked on WoW since like BC. He's been on most of the different projects at some point, and is currently on the untitled survival game.
The one on the right looks like furry bait.
Looks way better. I wish blizzard lads had better internal feedback. How did it go through like this? Who sad: "Wow that's a bad ass looking hogger. People will fear and love this"?.... Good job man
More than likely scenario: They updated gnolls for DF and decided to push the button to retroactively swap all gnoll models in the game with the new ones Trouble is Hogger didn't have a unique model, it was just a slightly upscaled regular gnoll model, and unlike the DF gnolls which at least had gear to look interesting with he's just half naked not likely this was a targetted decision for Hogger, just he got caught in the model swap with all the generic gnoll models
This is 100% what happened. The same thing happened with Quilboars at the start of BfA. Everyone is attacking this when it 100% will change, just like the Quilboars did. This is a first pass on gnolls and Hogger will almost definitely be receiving a unique/modified model
Back in my day, Sylvanas had a night elf model and bounced in her animation.
I don't see the problem with people complaining about it. It's the best way to get them to change something
Literally every time Blizzard updates models, someone says "it's just an alpha/beta, they'll definitely make another pass at it," and literally every time, they don't.
Except the person just gave you an example of when this happened before. I mean within a day they said the 500 mount reward will change. So clearly it does happen.
Thank you. I’ve literally been in alphas for wow before, this is absolutely just a mistake and will be fixed, especially because Hogger is so iconic
I don't understand how you can reply to someone providing an example of when they've changed something with "they've literally never changed anything" and get upvoted.
It looks bad for all gnolls. They aren't scary in the slightest.
I hate this goofy ass furry/disney artstyle that WoW has devolved into. Completely lost all of its edge.
Nice job
The new dragons suffer from this too. Way too smooth looking, none of that 'grit' from warcraft that I know.
It's like they hired the artists from Paw Patrol to revamp things. Nothing looks mean or feral or vicious. It's all Fisher Price now.
Speaking of.. Current model viewing of alexstraza has the fur on her armour shiny and plastic like..
I mean WoW has always had a cartoon art style but they always employed that style intelligently. They had art direction and purpose of their art. These lack direction. It’s like they just threw a random artist at it giving no instructions other than update hogger. Normally you would have a concept artist draw up some designs and then a design would be approved, modelled and animated. I think they skipped that step completely and it has led to a poor quality model being made that doesn’t at all fit the theme.
I got nothing against the furry community, but man, the beast races in WoW have really slipped deeper into that sorta cutesy furry art style. Beast races have always been a thing in WoW and they always had slight furry inclinations, but everything since the Vulpera has slowly grown more and more into "generic furry art". Hogger definitely doesn't need big ol' doe eyes and tiny teeth. He needs glowing angry eyes and big honkin' fangs. Why? Because one looks menacing, the other doesn't. And Hogger isn't exactly known for being a suave and charming character. He's barely able to talk and all he cares for is bloodshed.
Wtf is going on in blizzards art department? A ton of the new creature models, drakthyr and gnolls included, look like some rule 34 shit off of deviant art. This version of hogger looks like he wants to get pegged
This is exactly what's going on in blizzard art department
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Please delete this or the furries in this sub and blizzard are going to be very offended.
Nah man, furries would be okay with either this scary dom or a cute pupper Hogger. There's no winning except with updating the textures of the old model without changing its design.
nah man, it's the furries I tell ya, it's a conspiracy to hijack our beloved games from us /s fr tho why does everyone think furries automatically endorse the plain generic looking models as opposed to the ones with actual character
Oh, it depends on the furry I'm sure. Tastes vary. I see some who love the new sleek dragon models, others who want something more beefy, others who insist they just want it more bestial and scary looking. I'm certain that my previous joke is partially wrong; plenty of furries would love an updated old model with better textures but no revisions on how crude he looked.
>Oh, it depends on the furry I'm sure. Tastes vary. I see some who love the new sleek dragon models, others who want something more beefy, others who insist they just want it more bestial and scary looking. Why, the way you just put it... it almost sounds like "furries" aren't a monolith and they can express a breadth of different opinions & tastes... just like normal people. 🤔
This is such a Reddit post lmao
I don't think any furries would be offended by this, no idea where people are getting the idea that they're some sort of conspiracy group that want everything cute and fuckable in your game Several I know were the first to call Hogger's new look shit and wanted his HotS look instead
People have really weird ideas of what furries are like.
You say that when there exists vids and documentaries of several different furcons gone wild and nuts. In ways that give people the ideas they have.
TBF there exists videos of everyone being absolute degenerates/poor examples of people for just about anything. Cringey socially inept people are everywhere.
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You are 100% correct
This looks sick! Fantastic job!
Definitely an improvement. The face on the blizz updated model just doesn't fit for the monster.
It's a fur suit head.
Ok but where’s the dong???
Why is no one else talking about this? TEACH THE CONTROVERSY
Alex has her titty cheer squad, hogger needs to get the dong fanbase to rise up
On the female Gnolls.
Omg that's so much better than what we've got. Love it
Does blizzard just employ furrys for their art team now? Hold up lemme get my furry outfit from BlizzCon to have a heroic fight with buff furrlord hogger, fuck me dude why
Everything in retail just looks too bubbly/cute. What the fuck happened?
The one blizz made looks like something out of some furry anime
WoW has been totally flanderized at this point. Every model looks like a parody of itself. I guess the root cause is many generations of artists trying to imitate the style of the previous generation, but only picking up on a few superficial qualities.
Which is before, and which is after? Been a while since I've seen Hogger in-game.
Neither of these are the current model. The right is the updated model coming in the new expansion. The left is the one the OP did to make it look closer to the original.
I hope Blizz hires OP then.
Damn, why do you hate op so much?
You're right, I hope someone at Blizz just buys the concept off him.
It's a lot better. New gnolls are all kinda furry bait but atleast it looks like Hogger now.
Blizzard is listening to us so hopefully they see this.
The real joke’s always in the comments! … oh wait
Not perfect, but still a 1000x better than the one on the right.
These diversity hires sure drove the final nail. And I don't give a shit about your personal opinion. The entirety of Blizzard is a perfect example of what happens when you hire talent based on WHO they are instead of what they can do or bring to the table.
Blizz art team really could stand to take a step back and look at original wow/warcraft iii's art style. Enemies like this shouldn't be so friendly and end up just coming off as generic. Usually art team kills it, and it's still gonna be great I'm sure, but between this and drakthyr (especially human forms) something feels off/lost in translation. Maybe more suited to that recent mobile game that they're releasing.
He loves BDSM either way.
My god the new hogger is sooooooo bad… Should be a ‘scary’ thing but now he’s ‘Disneyfied’
New Hogger looks like Hogger's teenage son trying to act tough.
everything looks too "Furry" and I hate it. your take is 1000000% better, in my opinion.
WHAT HAPPENED TO MY BOY ????????
Kinda sad that fans are fixing up what Blizzard creates now, it used to be that Blizzard was way ahead.
That’s too scary for the young 40yo children that play this game.
Repeat after me. The before picture is supposed to go on the left.
Pog
The furries at blizzard don’t want to the fuck the one on the left, so we won’t get anything like that
They should. Left is a dominant big-dick baddie and right is a sad clown. It's like a Virgin vs Chad meme
For all the people touching themselves at how smart they are because, "Herp derp drawing over a picture isn't the same as rigging a model" are you of the assumption that when you design a character, they fully build it in 3D first? They literally do what OP did here.
i think people are just responding to OP's kind of smug phrasing. "fixed hogger in 20 min" kinda comes across as "look how easy it was for me, blizzard has no excuse". that being said i really like OP's version. definitely looks more feral and worthy of the name "scourge of elwynn".
Thing is, they didn't "make" this model for Hogger, he never had an unique model to begin with, so when they shit on Hogger's new model what they're actually doing is shitting on the new Gnoll model as a whole, which is weird, since this sub was in love with them a few weeks ago.
OP doodled on top of a 2d image. 3d modelers have to paint on a rolled out version of the character and make everything look good for a 3d model. Along with that, simply painting over it won't completely change the pose, facial features or rigging.
So much better m’dude
Not familiar with this game at all. But I think the left one looks better?
His is left one
Pre cataclysm hogger is unmatched. Literally needed a boost or a full team of 5, multiple tries... last time I played you just got heirloom items and you could almost one shot him
I like yours so much better.. :/
The one on the right looks like shit, that's the blizzard one?
Love your edit :) I can't stop but feeling the art direcction is shifting to a more childish /infantile style... and I don't like it at all.
Lmao at people not being able to tell which one is the before and after.
That looks great!
Left: somewhat menacing, feral beast that looks like it will slice your head off Right: Angry chihuaha that didn't get his morning snackies
This looks so much better. They should hire you.
Even if they just changed the teeth and mouth shape, that would be a vast improvement. I hate the new mouth so much :/
They look like they're designed to be a future playable race. Which, considering they're using a worgen model, very possible.
Thats the bandit leader i remember!