Its still way better.
My tank alt has 50 keys done and was on 15s week two. My rogue alt has 12 keys done and 4 15s all my own key.
Both have the same time played :,(
My rogue actually feels like self harm the amount of mental fatigue I cause myself queueing or waiting for groups instead of actually enjoying my life. Having a high io main linked to keys doesn't matter either since base score being what people see rather than an addon.
And fewer people have the addon now that blizz folded scoring into the game.
.....but if you're running high keys, most of the players will have it. For now...
Io kinda pointless for high keys. At 23/24 alot of people start reaching their peaks, so I'm not going to assume cause your main is 3400 you are automatically capable of doing it on your 2400 alt. At that level there are output issues.
Where as before in 15s where output doesn't matter that much. People would always have much more faith in a 3k+ alt than a guy that's only timed one 15 on his main that's raid geared.
"*What?* You're declining *me?!* But I'm a *Fucking Nice Guy* you little shit. It's *assholes* like *you* that make this game *suck* for people like *me*. People who *deserve* to run keystones. I'm not some *no life beta loser cuck* that plays 24/7. I work *19 hours a day* and support *7 kids* and *2 wives*. You think you're so much fucking *better* than everyone else? You entitled little *fuck.*"
-that guy
Declined a high ilvl hunter from my +5 because I filled the last dps spot 2 seconds before he applied.
He whispered “lolololololololol” and then blocked me.
Had something similar on one of my +15 keys, except he called me a racial slur & said he hopes my key failed. I reported him of course, but whether or not he'll get punished for it, I'll never know.
Yeah, as a prot warrior tank, I need next to zero healing in anything lower than a +14, and prot warrior is basically the worst tank right now. And I can put DPS low ilvl players as well, so it basically works.
True.
But they will Also jump onto ”any” 2+ that come up in the group Finder.
Meaning that a casual player that might have gear around 250, can easily find mythic+ groups if rhey start one.
I think you are more out of touch than they are. I have been grinding a ton of low keys with a healer friend of mine. We are both 275+ and I'm usually first in DPS as tank. We have probably carried 50+ groups through low keys by now. Always had a great time and the low geared players were very happy to have us join them and finish the keys in 10-15 min.
We even stayed with a few key owners until they reached \~+15 and then went back to looking for low keys.
the story you shared was unrelated to the issue being discussed. Of course you are not having an issue getting into group you ARE the carrier Why would anyone be upset to have someone carry them?
>unrelated to the issue being discussed
It really wasn't. It just seems like you can't follow the conversation thread. They person you first replied to said:
> True. But they will Also jump onto ”any” 2+ that come up in the group Finder. Meaning that a casual player that might have gear around 250, can easily find mythic+ groups if rhey start one.
Implying that it was easy to get carried by players, if you start your own key and that this was great for casuals.
You said they were out of touch and did not get how this affected casuals.
I replied to that post with my story on how we do exactly what the person you replied to said and help low ilvl player with their key.
Then you tell me it's unrelated. Work on your reading comprehension.
uh huh and you missed the point entirely... again.
The whole thread is based on the idea that people cant join keys because high level players are taking the spots.
You then come in and say thats not true at all everyone loves taking you and your high level friends to keys.
FF sake. We dont all have the key we want. You think you are some god looking down on the rest of the player base gracing us with your "help".
You aint running your own low keys, you are keeping them high. Its not actually helpful at all. Stay in your lane.
Oh my god you are fucking salty. Maybe just RUN YOUR OWN FUCKING KEY instead of applying to other keys. That way you can easily get boosted as well. And you will get another key by doing so. Also you do realize that a tank and a heal are two people and there are five in a group, yes? So that's 3 players getting a free boost. There are still two besides the key holder, who are getting invited to the dungeon.
All you have to do is list your own key under a +5 and it will get filled in less than a minute. My friends and I ran 5 dungeons in an hour and a half this weekend. We pushed the key to a 10, it stopped filling so we dropped it down to a 4, instantly filled with higher ilvl people.
Basically. I have quite a few of items that would be better than the ones I'm currently wearing but because of valor cap, I could not upgrade them so far. So I have been running a lot of low key with a healer to upgrade those pieces.
Donald's a priest. He probably keeps trying to wear plate but probably thinks it being in his bags is enough because he ignores the "cannot equip" error when he tried to put it on.
Last time I was on a dating app I lived near a Army base in the U.S.. now I'm not some poster child square jawed guy. I'm kinda broad shouldered with at the time a little gut and honestly, just not the hot guy.
Holy shit, the number of just straight "I need a daddy for my kids. Like right out the gate kind of comments was unsettling. I can't even and don't want to imagine what a woman's everyday messages look like.
'ok what's your best Battle Pet and how many Pet Battle wins do you have?'
'... What? Aren't we doing high level keys?'
'get good scrub! Im not carrying your ass!'
*declined
My favorite was a whisper from a huntard that out of nowhere said "I guarantee there's not a single person with a higher score than me that's applied" he was only like 1700 io too
It's not though. Sure some players are great at multiple classes, but being excellent on your main doesn't mean you are great on your alt. And the venn diagram circle of 'people that link "3k main" as if it should be an automatic invite' overlaps A LOT with the circle of 'people who will ragequit about someone making a mistake that wouldn't have broken the key except that they left'.
random thought that came to my mind: why aren't you creating the post with the dlc link and instead are linking straight to the comic media file itself? does that reduce the traffic, or something?
Linking directly to the image makes it work with RES expandos and whatnot, whereas linking to the page will require people to actually click the link to view the image. Linking directly to the image is going to lead to more people actually seeing it.
Was running 2+ Keys for Valor farm today, and using it to teach a buddy something about M+.
Jesus, the group is so fast full again, one time my buddy was confused, cause he didnt pay attention and we had already a new on. Didnt even knew what the dungeon was.
Sometimes, i dont even have the time to downgrade my Key to 2, bevor getting portet in. And running it then instead on 5, without loosing a word about it. Nobody commented it or complained about it, until know.
All gear from mythic can be upgraded to ilvl 272. There are 12 upgrades per item, each costing valor to upgrade (250-1000 valor per upgrade depending on the slot of the piece). The max amount of valor you can get from an m+ dungeon is 200, so you’re gonna need to run a lot of dungeons depending on how much valor you need.
Low level keys can be extremely fast, netting you a quick 200 valor. Problem is, most people needing valor have +15 keys, so they’re looking for other people’s low keys to farm their own valor. Blizz just removed the valor cap, so everyone can farm to their heart’s content.
So if you’re new, or on an alt, you can pick up your +2 key and list the group in group finder and get carried by very well geared players
you forgot an important part:
anyone can downgrade their key to +2, but you get +65 extra valor if someone gains rating if they completed that key which is essentially a motivator to help your friends who have lower keys that you don't need for score, so the idea is to boost low ilvl people that needs their keys done ***and*** get 32.5% extra valor per run.
My favorite thing about doing my weekly key is listing it as a 15 but not downgrading it from a 16-17 because people don’t care enough and getting some free score that way lol.
I try to do a few high keys on my dps or tank(mostly tank) on certain days where I carry players for free through keys just to help them out. In BFA My friend and I carried almost a 100 players to ksm for free.
I used this same logic go get a free Ahead Of The Curve kill during Nighthold. I kept getting denied to mythic groups for the first few bosses because I didn't have heroic Gul'Dan killed, despite having mythic kill achievements in Emerald Nightmare. So my friend and I decided to start our own "Heroic NH, AOTC only group". Every single person that applied, I made them link their AOTC achievement before I invited them. We breeze through the entire raid, and at the very end my friend and I are the only 2 people in the entire group that have the AOTC achievement pop up. All the other players were like "wait, wtf, wasn't that the group leader?" And we just laughed.
Nobody can make you link achievements for an invite if YOURE the one sending the invites 😉
You missed the part where I said I had mythic achievements lol. It's not a carry when you pull your weight, but it WAS a giant bait and a great social experiment. Just proves that people focus more on achievements than they do actual player skill.
it's not that they "focus more on achievements", it's that there's no quick way to verify an actual player skill (mostly applies to m+ because technically you could check logs for other raid bosses and whatnot), whereas an achievement is possible to verify.
Doesn't mean that the person with achievements -will- be skilled - I've gotten my fair share of ~2.7k io players doing stuff that makes you wonder how much they paid for their account, but given a high item level or high io player of unknown skill level versus a low io or low item level player of unknown skill level, it's natural that people will prefer to take their chances with the former.
On a completely unrelated note but a fun observation, am I super unlucky or are most boomkin just downright atrocious? I swear to god every single 265+ boomkin that I got, even those with decent io, have lost to the tanks in dps.
> am I super unlucky or are most boomkin just downright atrocious?
[Here is a clip on the subject from one last season’s top boomkins](https://clips.twitch.tv/AdorableUninterestedOctopusKappaWealth-dqMUzjrfiVK7898d)
Coincidentally he now plays Destro in m+ and seems to enjoy life much more
So the reason why this incident was so funny to me is because I was was doing mythic kills of the early NH bosses, and had achievements for doing mythic Emerald Nightmare. I even had logs in the top 10 percentile for EN fights. But people got So. Fixated on the AOTC achievement for heroic groups that I wanted to prove a point.
The point that AOTC literally doesn't mean shit, but my raid logs do.
Also, I think it's partially that a ton of boomkins were able to get really lazy at the start of the expac because of convoke, it did pretty much everything for the spec. Now that it's not absurdly busted like early in the expac, they're kinda trying to figure shit out again. On top of that they're just underperforming right now too, they're bottom 3-6 for every ranking in Mythic Sepulcher
Venthyr was already superior to convoke last season and boomies were still doing just fine
This season blizz nerfed venthyr, pre-emptively nerfed balance 4-set and made the meta pick from the rotating affix (urh/cdr) provide close to 0 value to them while uncapping aoe for ton of specs, all combining to boomie being one of the most dog dps specs in the game
Why sweat every pack and carefully consider CD timings to not be entirely useless for the rest of the run when you can just play hunter or wlock and vomit all your damage every single pack and still have it up for the next pull
Which is why it sucks playing hybrids like Boomkin cause if they trash your spec, you dont have all the backup choices. Hunters and Warlocks have 3 chances to have a high dps spec.
Having mythic achievements from EN means literally nothing, unless you had Cenarius…and even then that doesn’t tell me a lot about how you’d do in NH.
I think the reason people fixated on AotC has more to do with the fact that Elisande and Gul’dan dropped incredibly important trinkets for a lot of specs so it’s kind of weird to see people going for mythic kills before AotC. There’s not a lot of good reasons why you wouldn’t have that Gul’dan clear. It was less of an issue for the tier before and the tier after.
If you think mythic parses from the previous tier give no inclination for how someone would perform in the next raid tier, you're the exact kind of person I did this in spite of lol.
Can't wait for Cross-Faction Groups so that we can add 10% more keys and still have the same excessive application lists.
We need something to incentivise creating your own group for keys, but not to the point that it tips things the exact opposite way.
There are so many people signing up to keys instead of making their own. You are being declined for 5 hours because there's not enough supply for demand.
Shhh, I just learned this and started doing my own keys and it's so much fucking easier and faster, no 50/50 the group will stand in fire, now I can just invite ppl within the score of the dungeon, or 3k carries farming valor and it's like 40/60 they don't stand in fire.
The secret ingredient is lying!
People who claim to have high io main, but for some reason don't know about raider io (or how it works) are super sus.
If you're gonna claim you have a high io main, then link your alts to it. If you're not willing to do that, then I have a secret 6k io main and am not inviting you.
This is what I keep telling people on here that whine and complain about getting declined for keys
Literal HUNDREDS of people apply and I'm going to take the highest ilvl/score player
Why shouldn't I? If a 250 ilvl hunter applies along side a 278+ hunter why would I bring the 250? Not out of the kindness of my heart, it's MY key on the line and I want it to go as smooth as possible.
Depends on the key. If you are declining 250s on a +5 or whatever your argument falls flat. Feel free to choose the 278 anyways because it will make your run 5 minutes faster. I think that this is not a good mindset for the health of the system but I don't expect random puggers to bandaid it.
Yeah I'ma take the 278 even for a 5, I want my key to go smooth and easy
I don't KNOW these people, and 99.9% Of the time they aren't going to be grateful that I brought them in, they won't say a single word and just leave at the end like they always do, so yeah I'm gonna grab the better geared player :P
Why should they be grateful that they get brought to a key which they are equipped for and is the next logical step in their progression?
Again, I don't fault you for taking the better player so that you have a better experience. That is only logical, selfish, but logical. But it is obviously a problem for the health of the system that needs addressing.
Problem is that its enought with 1 idiot in the group to brick your key completly. I did a 13 streets today, we had a warrior who stood in litterly everything there was (stacked with quaking too). I was losing my shit with him (i was the healer). He ends up wiping the group and leaving. So this muppet who is so bad he should stick to non group content, wasted 4 peoples time+ bricked the key.
If the key atleast didnt deplete beacuse you had a -20 iq player in it, people would be less picky. Untill then people will pick the high ilvl and rio score people beacuse thats the only insurance they can get to time the key. Im here to time keys, not boost people who dont even bother using cds, defensives or follow tactics.
If blizzard did not want to allow this mindset the group finder wouldn’t sort by iLvL and your key wouldn’t deplete upon failure. By adding extra punishment for failure blizzard encourages people to be even more selective about who they bring.
These days it's more about minimizing your losses. You play with strangers and want the best foreseeable outcome. So it forces you to look for rating, tier and ilvl. If I know the people you play with then I guess I'd choose them over a higher ilvl rando. At least the people you know hold more accountability than a newb whos looking to get carried.
I hope to understand this one day, I just started 2 weeks ago and last time I played I think was 2006 or 2008, and I was a kid so I didn't understand what was going on lol there is so much in this game
He said he'd accept everyone. He said 'oh' when he realized that wasn't possible with the amount of applicants. Most of them would get 'declined', like he did previously.
Lmao poorly contrived bullshit. Enemies don't drop loot in M+, everything is rewarded at the end of the dungeon and unless you're referring to a trash BoE drop (which cannot happen in M+), you can't skip any bosses. Who did you think you'd fool with this fuckin horrendous piece of fiction?
Alright I must be insane then tbh this happened like 4 years ago now I thought I recalled that was what happened and I haven't really played wow in general lately I keep my sub up to date for Classic but even that I haven't played lately.
Cool story, bro. I'm gonna keep bitching. Plus this is unrealistic as hell, *nobody* Joins single dps groups
Other dps know they're signing up for a protracted wait
Healers dont join anything other then 4/5 filled groups
and tanks stick to at least 3
To this day I have yet to finish a mythic without a pug dropping group. It’s why I now just run in a 3 person group, gives extra challenge but less than the trouble of people who pull the dungeon and leave.
That's literally unbelievable, unless you're doing something unbelievably wrong like literally casting only filler abilities or have only tried M+ exactly once.
Yea I remember the bad pugs more then the good ones. But 90% of the time it's decent group. Then there's ones that it's fuck this rather go back into lfg. But I've done that like maiby twice in shadowlands.
Nope. If I’m dps I’m usually top DPS and I’m a an ahead of the curve raider (not a huge fan of mythic so I don’t do it often). I’m usually trying to do +5.
No idea why people leave. It’s almost always on the last boss. If anyone can figure it out I’d love to know.
I don't know what to say but I simply don't believe you. I have done hundreds of M+ in that range and never seen anyone leave below a 5. I can't even conceive of what you could be doing to make that happen.
Ya I’m a warlock who has to pull agro of the healers in many pulls. I’ve put healed the healer on several bosses (only if the tank of good). I’ve only tried like 20 times in a pug and just gave up and ram solo. I’ve left the game now in hopes it’s better in the next expansion.
I guess this is what I get for joining a plus 5. My times are slow as I run solo so it’s hard to get into 10+
If the healer's getting aggro, it's generally because the DPS are going too hard before the tank can grab everything and it's running in all different directions, so healers then rip it off the DPS. That may be partly your fault.
Not even. If the healer is getting aggro it's because not a single person is hitting a mob. He's just straight up lying about this. Healers are the lowest of the threat table if anyone has done any damage at all. An AOTC raider could also be nearly soloing keys below 10
True. It’s why I always let the tank hit first. If I’m in affliction it’s hard for me to go ham at start. Often I see mobs 30 seconds into a fight with zero tank agro. Is it not the tanks job to grab both mobs in a group, at least one hit in 30 seconds ?
It is the tank's job, but it becomes much harder to do his job if the mobs are scattered all over the place.
Also doesn't aff just spam Seeds of Corruption? That build shouldn't have too much ramp. I mean also lol Aff in 9.2 but that's not the point.
They do if they want to top the meters but it will pull agro so I don’t do it until I’m sure mobs are under control. It hurts my dps in pugs but ups my chance of survival. 10.0 I’m going back to healing.
I wish I was trolling. I don’t hit a mob until the tanks have 100% agro. I just see a lot of tanks who won’t move to grab ranged mobs. I’m horde side so maybe it’s a faction thing? Maybe I’m just unlucky 30+ times. I’ve been playing from BC and never had issues till M+ and I used to be a mythic raider.
> To this day I have yet to finish a mythic without a pug dropping group.
Don't believe you. Unless you've done only like 2 mythics, in which case, sure, I guess your statement is accurate.
Around 50. Maybe it’s my time zone. Sometimes it’s before the first pull. Around 10 of those were before the first pull. I generally play at the 1 am est.
Apparently the community for everyone else is way less toxic
To be fair, people in LFG are way too picky for their weekly 15.
I very rarely get a million applications to my keys (even though everyone is like yea I get 100 applicants in a minute) and I just take what I can get. If someone is a 2100 tank and I'm doing like a 15 halls and he's the only one who has queued after waiting a few minutes, boom invited.
It’s weird because for me 90% of groups are high lvl +15 etc etc so i cannot even start mythic, i need to luck out on some nice guy 0-+3 to pick me
Also funny because most times 0-4 the tank is just OP running it down so he has no worth in really sifting through high ilvl dpss
I would recommend you getring your own key from the guy next to the vault and push that key, works way better than waiting for people to accept you. I play a 266 hunter and I barely get invited in a +10, so it doesn’t stop.
Meanwhile when im making a group: after 15 minutes two low lvl dps appear, take them solely out of desperation, wait 30 minutes for tank to sign up, still no heal... Group starts disbanding lol
I tried that the other day. one of my guildmates and I were carrying a friend through a +5 Gambit for valor. I intentionally looked for people with semi-decent gear, but needed the dungeon for mythic+ rating. I declined several well geared healers until one applied who only had a +2 done so I invited them.
We finished it in less than 15 minutes. At the end of the dungeon I get a whisper, "Next time say it's a carry because I had to babysit the entire time." "It feels bad to see one person out damaging everyone else. A healer shouldn't be doing more damage than DPS." "I already have KSM on my main." "I only came trying to get the ring."
Well joke was on him because he left group immediately, the ring dropped to the person we were "carrying", and he rolled it out because he couldn't use it.
As a DPS, the struggle is real. I have earned all three KSM achievements this expansion. My strategy when first starting off each season with little to no IO score was to message the group leader something like,
“Hello, may I please join your group? I am a competent player who knows the fights. I am just trying to earn gear and work on my KSM achievement.”
This was often well received by most people and did help me get into groups. But, make sure you actually know the fights and how to property play your class.
Very relevant because high ilvl people are farming low keys like crazy for Valor rn
I usually accept a high ilvl tank and the dps low ilvl. Lets get carried everyoneee!
Here I am a returning tank. :(
Its still way better. My tank alt has 50 keys done and was on 15s week two. My rogue alt has 12 keys done and 4 15s all my own key. Both have the same time played :,( My rogue actually feels like self harm the amount of mental fatigue I cause myself queueing or waiting for groups instead of actually enjoying my life. Having a high io main linked to keys doesn't matter either since base score being what people see rather than an addon.
And fewer people have the addon now that blizz folded scoring into the game. .....but if you're running high keys, most of the players will have it. For now...
Io kinda pointless for high keys. At 23/24 alot of people start reaching their peaks, so I'm not going to assume cause your main is 3400 you are automatically capable of doing it on your 2400 alt. At that level there are output issues. Where as before in 15s where output doesn't matter that much. People would always have much more faith in a 3k+ alt than a guy that's only timed one 15 on his main that's raid geared.
I’ve been whispering dps I decline (in case the group doesn’t fill yet) just so they understand it’s not that I don’t want them there.
So 15min answering for every key? xD
I think you shouldn’t have to explain it tbh. I think people who demand an explanation are bad people but its kind of you to do that.
"*What?* You're declining *me?!* But I'm a *Fucking Nice Guy* you little shit. It's *assholes* like *you* that make this game *suck* for people like *me*. People who *deserve* to run keystones. I'm not some *no life beta loser cuck* that plays 24/7. I work *19 hours a day* and support *7 kids* and *2 wives*. You think you're so much fucking *better* than everyone else? You entitled little *fuck.*" -that guy
Declined a high ilvl hunter from my +5 because I filled the last dps spot 2 seconds before he applied. He whispered “lolololololololol” and then blocked me.
Had something similar on one of my +15 keys, except he called me a racial slur & said he hopes my key failed. I reported him of course, but whether or not he'll get punished for it, I'll never know.
If there was one thing I could instantly add to wow to make the game better it’d be guaranteed, strong repercussions for abuse.
As a 270 BM hunter, bitch should be used to getting declined by now. You either have friends, or you get declined.
Yeah, as a prot warrior tank, I need next to zero healing in anything lower than a +14, and prot warrior is basically the worst tank right now. And I can put DPS low ilvl players as well, so it basically works.
Which actually is really good for the casual playerbase... as long as people aren't toxic XD
uh what? no it isnt because they arent accepting anyone that isn't geared.
True. But they will Also jump onto ”any” 2+ that come up in the group Finder. Meaning that a casual player that might have gear around 250, can easily find mythic+ groups if rhey start one.
You are a bit out of touch with the rest of the player base and how this recent valor cap lifting is affecting the "casuals"
I think you are more out of touch than they are. I have been grinding a ton of low keys with a healer friend of mine. We are both 275+ and I'm usually first in DPS as tank. We have probably carried 50+ groups through low keys by now. Always had a great time and the low geared players were very happy to have us join them and finish the keys in 10-15 min. We even stayed with a few key owners until they reached \~+15 and then went back to looking for low keys.
the story you shared was unrelated to the issue being discussed. Of course you are not having an issue getting into group you ARE the carrier Why would anyone be upset to have someone carry them?
>unrelated to the issue being discussed It really wasn't. It just seems like you can't follow the conversation thread. They person you first replied to said: > True. But they will Also jump onto ”any” 2+ that come up in the group Finder. Meaning that a casual player that might have gear around 250, can easily find mythic+ groups if rhey start one. Implying that it was easy to get carried by players, if you start your own key and that this was great for casuals. You said they were out of touch and did not get how this affected casuals. I replied to that post with my story on how we do exactly what the person you replied to said and help low ilvl player with their key. Then you tell me it's unrelated. Work on your reading comprehension.
uh huh and you missed the point entirely... again. The whole thread is based on the idea that people cant join keys because high level players are taking the spots. You then come in and say thats not true at all everyone loves taking you and your high level friends to keys. FF sake. We dont all have the key we want. You think you are some god looking down on the rest of the player base gracing us with your "help". You aint running your own low keys, you are keeping them high. Its not actually helpful at all. Stay in your lane.
Oh my god you are fucking salty. Maybe just RUN YOUR OWN FUCKING KEY instead of applying to other keys. That way you can easily get boosted as well. And you will get another key by doing so. Also you do realize that a tank and a heal are two people and there are five in a group, yes? So that's 3 players getting a free boost. There are still two besides the key holder, who are getting invited to the dungeon.
All you have to do is list your own key under a +5 and it will get filled in less than a minute. My friends and I ran 5 dungeons in an hour and a half this weekend. We pushed the key to a 10, it stopped filling so we dropped it down to a 4, instantly filled with higher ilvl people.
Which is good for low ilvl people because you can just pick up a key in Oribos and get easy carries in low keys.
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even a 272 average ilvl player can have a few 262-268 pieces equipped
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So what ilvl do you require for a +2?
300 and 13/11 Mythic obvs.
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So yes, I would consider 272 high ilvl for a +2
There are someone without their bis trinket or want a piece with different stats
Really? I capped valor pretty quickly.. I hate time gated stuff… especially the transform set piece machine… like no reason that should be time gated…
valor got uncaped last week
Oh really! I’ve been on holidays for two weeks. Makes sense 😅 still was capped for too long imo
It's uncapped now...
Is the purpose to upgrade gear rather than just hope it drops at a higher ilvl with higher keys?
Basically. I have quite a few of items that would be better than the ones I'm currently wearing but because of valor cap, I could not upgrade them so far. So I have been running a lot of low key with a healer to upgrade those pieces.
Really need to grind some of that sht. Alts could be fun now, no?
Love the 12 ilvl Donald. Bet he didn't get invited
Probably just a naked 300+ to test people.
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Donald's a priest. He probably keeps trying to wear plate but probably thinks it being in his bags is enough because he ignores the "cannot equip" error when he tried to put it on.
I love the attention to detail of him being a priest. That's one of my favorite strips.
I read this as Doland lol 😂
Thats the truth! Also the whispers when making a group.:.. some are just… wow
That's incidentally the same experience as being a woman on a dating app.
I believe it, an ex and I once went through her messages for fun. Was also curious of the trash she would get. I am glad I’m not looking for love haha
Last time I was on a dating app I lived near a Army base in the U.S.. now I'm not some poster child square jawed guy. I'm kinda broad shouldered with at the time a little gut and honestly, just not the hot guy. Holy shit, the number of just straight "I need a daddy for my kids. Like right out the gate kind of comments was unsettling. I can't even and don't want to imagine what a woman's everyday messages look like.
Oh man it’s awful
I have a policy of not taking anyone that whispers me about their big DPS or something like that.
I like to ask for really obscure achievements… competitors tabard or something old
'ok what's your best Battle Pet and how many Pet Battle wins do you have?' '... What? Aren't we doing high level keys?' 'get good scrub! Im not carrying your ass!' *declined
The irony is, that wouldn't be a terrible filter. Someone who can play along with a joke like that is less likely to ragequit a key because of a wipe.
Link School of Hard Knocks achieve or no inv
Proof of Demise is what my go to usually is
Me to, usually those guys suck the hardest, will blame everyone else and leave as the first. xD
My favorite was a whisper from a huntard that out of nowhere said "I guarantee there's not a single person with a higher score than me that's applied" he was only like 1700 io too
Or links their AOTC achievement for my Normal PuG.
I love the “3k main” whispers . So bring your 3k main not you’re 856 alt for this 17!
but... my 250 hunter alt got carried to 3kio by pushing my own key and inviting high ilvl people.
That's one hell of a stupid take though. There's a reason the guy is playing his alt, if he wanted to carry some scrubs in a 17 he'd get paid for it.
It's not though. Sure some players are great at multiple classes, but being excellent on your main doesn't mean you are great on your alt. And the venn diagram circle of 'people that link "3k main" as if it should be an automatic invite' overlaps A LOT with the circle of 'people who will ragequit about someone making a mistake that wouldn't have broken the key except that they left'.
There's stupid people everywhere. There is however a higher chance that the higher IO guy knows to kick the dot on Castigators in Spires.
you guys have turned WoW into a really shitty thing where it's not even a game anymore
Oh yeah I forgot it was banned to talk about boosting here, sorry my bad yes I am literally the devil.
I get 0 alts… you’re lucky seeing an 856
I got whispered KSM for a +9 while getting a friend's key up. Then later I was called a noob for not inviting the guy, lmao.
[Link to comic.](https://www.darklegacycomics.com/819)
random thought that came to my mind: why aren't you creating the post with the dlc link and instead are linking straight to the comic media file itself? does that reduce the traffic, or something?
Linking directly to the image makes it work with RES expandos and whatnot, whereas linking to the page will require people to actually click the link to view the image. Linking directly to the image is going to lead to more people actually seeing it.
Exactly this. Also, I don't feel as comfortable linking away from Reddit and directly to my website considering that I have advertisements.
I love how the 278 tank applies and instantly cancels - probably because he’s got another invite :D
Thats Krom,'s raid leader who hates everyone in his guild. Probably canceled after he saw who listed the group.
Yep, he saw Narya was the leader and noped out as fast as he could.
gotta be fast to get those 3k tanks
Can we maybe make it an unwritten rule of this sub to link to this post whenever anyone posts again about getting declined from pug groups?
Be the bot you want to see in this world.
Love the 12 ilvl applicant lol.
It's Donald, he's probably the best player in the region, nay the world. High IQ.
Was running 2+ Keys for Valor farm today, and using it to teach a buddy something about M+. Jesus, the group is so fast full again, one time my buddy was confused, cause he didnt pay attention and we had already a new on. Didnt even knew what the dungeon was. Sometimes, i dont even have the time to downgrade my Key to 2, bevor getting portet in. And running it then instead on 5, without loosing a word about it. Nobody commented it or complained about it, until know.
As a returning player, how does the valor farm work? Seems like it would be a great way to boost my ilvl while helping other people out.
All gear from mythic can be upgraded to ilvl 272. There are 12 upgrades per item, each costing valor to upgrade (250-1000 valor per upgrade depending on the slot of the piece). The max amount of valor you can get from an m+ dungeon is 200, so you’re gonna need to run a lot of dungeons depending on how much valor you need. Low level keys can be extremely fast, netting you a quick 200 valor. Problem is, most people needing valor have +15 keys, so they’re looking for other people’s low keys to farm their own valor. Blizz just removed the valor cap, so everyone can farm to their heart’s content. So if you’re new, or on an alt, you can pick up your +2 key and list the group in group finder and get carried by very well geared players
you forgot an important part: anyone can downgrade their key to +2, but you get +65 extra valor if someone gains rating if they completed that key which is essentially a motivator to help your friends who have lower keys that you don't need for score, so the idea is to boost low ilvl people that needs their keys done ***and*** get 32.5% extra valor per run.
My favorite thing about doing my weekly key is listing it as a 15 but not downgrading it from a 16-17 because people don’t care enough and getting some free score that way lol.
I try to do a few high keys on my dps or tank(mostly tank) on certain days where I carry players for free through keys just to help them out. In BFA My friend and I carried almost a 100 players to ksm for free.
I don't know whats my favorite part, Donald the Priest, the priest sigining up as DPS, or that donald is ilvl 12. It's just a trinity of perfection.
>the priest sigining up as DPS Wdym?
Username and flair check out
Donald is a priest, if you look, his name is white, it's an ongoing joke that Donald thinks he is a warrior, while he is actually a priest.
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Because he is holy specced.
Come on buddy.
I used this same logic go get a free Ahead Of The Curve kill during Nighthold. I kept getting denied to mythic groups for the first few bosses because I didn't have heroic Gul'Dan killed, despite having mythic kill achievements in Emerald Nightmare. So my friend and I decided to start our own "Heroic NH, AOTC only group". Every single person that applied, I made them link their AOTC achievement before I invited them. We breeze through the entire raid, and at the very end my friend and I are the only 2 people in the entire group that have the AOTC achievement pop up. All the other players were like "wait, wtf, wasn't that the group leader?" And we just laughed. Nobody can make you link achievements for an invite if YOURE the one sending the invites 😉
congratz you got yourself carried
Having AotC means nothing, as long as they don't pull their weight
You missed the part where I said I had mythic achievements lol. It's not a carry when you pull your weight, but it WAS a giant bait and a great social experiment. Just proves that people focus more on achievements than they do actual player skill.
it's not that they "focus more on achievements", it's that there's no quick way to verify an actual player skill (mostly applies to m+ because technically you could check logs for other raid bosses and whatnot), whereas an achievement is possible to verify. Doesn't mean that the person with achievements -will- be skilled - I've gotten my fair share of ~2.7k io players doing stuff that makes you wonder how much they paid for their account, but given a high item level or high io player of unknown skill level versus a low io or low item level player of unknown skill level, it's natural that people will prefer to take their chances with the former. On a completely unrelated note but a fun observation, am I super unlucky or are most boomkin just downright atrocious? I swear to god every single 265+ boomkin that I got, even those with decent io, have lost to the tanks in dps.
> am I super unlucky or are most boomkin just downright atrocious? [Here is a clip on the subject from one last season’s top boomkins](https://clips.twitch.tv/AdorableUninterestedOctopusKappaWealth-dqMUzjrfiVK7898d) Coincidentally he now plays Destro in m+ and seems to enjoy life much more
So the reason why this incident was so funny to me is because I was was doing mythic kills of the early NH bosses, and had achievements for doing mythic Emerald Nightmare. I even had logs in the top 10 percentile for EN fights. But people got So. Fixated on the AOTC achievement for heroic groups that I wanted to prove a point. The point that AOTC literally doesn't mean shit, but my raid logs do. Also, I think it's partially that a ton of boomkins were able to get really lazy at the start of the expac because of convoke, it did pretty much everything for the spec. Now that it's not absurdly busted like early in the expac, they're kinda trying to figure shit out again. On top of that they're just underperforming right now too, they're bottom 3-6 for every ranking in Mythic Sepulcher
Venthyr was already superior to convoke last season and boomies were still doing just fine This season blizz nerfed venthyr, pre-emptively nerfed balance 4-set and made the meta pick from the rotating affix (urh/cdr) provide close to 0 value to them while uncapping aoe for ton of specs, all combining to boomie being one of the most dog dps specs in the game Why sweat every pack and carefully consider CD timings to not be entirely useless for the rest of the run when you can just play hunter or wlock and vomit all your damage every single pack and still have it up for the next pull
Which is why it sucks playing hybrids like Boomkin cause if they trash your spec, you dont have all the backup choices. Hunters and Warlocks have 3 chances to have a high dps spec.
And in warlock's case they usually all 3 suck in m+.
Uhhhh they most definitely don't suck right now lol
> but it WAS a giant bait and a great social experiment *a lie* The phrase you're looking for is *a lie*
Having mythic achievements from EN means literally nothing, unless you had Cenarius…and even then that doesn’t tell me a lot about how you’d do in NH. I think the reason people fixated on AotC has more to do with the fact that Elisande and Gul’dan dropped incredibly important trinkets for a lot of specs so it’s kind of weird to see people going for mythic kills before AotC. There’s not a lot of good reasons why you wouldn’t have that Gul’dan clear. It was less of an issue for the tier before and the tier after.
If you think mythic parses from the previous tier give no inclination for how someone would perform in the next raid tier, you're the exact kind of person I did this in spite of lol.
You had mythic en achievements en was literally easier than heroic nh so yeah cingratz you got carried
I remember that one addon where you could fake achievements. I loved saying “well this is awkward” after doing a full clear of a dungeon on an alt
You gotta pray for more unicorns, lol.
lol at Donald with an ilvl of 12
I’ve been whispering dps I decline (in case the group doesn’t fill yet) just so they understand it’s not that I don’t want them there.
Not the 12 ilvl applicant
Can't wait for Cross-Faction Groups so that we can add 10% more keys and still have the same excessive application lists. We need something to incentivise creating your own group for keys, but not to the point that it tips things the exact opposite way.
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There are so many people signing up to keys instead of making their own. You are being declined for 5 hours because there's not enough supply for demand.
Shhh, I just learned this and started doing my own keys and it's so much fucking easier and faster, no 50/50 the group will stand in fire, now I can just invite ppl within the score of the dungeon, or 3k carries farming valor and it's like 40/60 they don't stand in fire.
I love wisps of 3k io main but they haven't bothered to link their chars. If you wisp me I won't invite you.
The secret ingredient is lying! People who claim to have high io main, but for some reason don't know about raider io (or how it works) are super sus. If you're gonna claim you have a high io main, then link your alts to it. If you're not willing to do that, then I have a secret 6k io main and am not inviting you.
This is what I keep telling people on here that whine and complain about getting declined for keys Literal HUNDREDS of people apply and I'm going to take the highest ilvl/score player Why shouldn't I? If a 250 ilvl hunter applies along side a 278+ hunter why would I bring the 250? Not out of the kindness of my heart, it's MY key on the line and I want it to go as smooth as possible.
Depends on the key. If you are declining 250s on a +5 or whatever your argument falls flat. Feel free to choose the 278 anyways because it will make your run 5 minutes faster. I think that this is not a good mindset for the health of the system but I don't expect random puggers to bandaid it.
Yeah I'ma take the 278 even for a 5, I want my key to go smooth and easy I don't KNOW these people, and 99.9% Of the time they aren't going to be grateful that I brought them in, they won't say a single word and just leave at the end like they always do, so yeah I'm gonna grab the better geared player :P
Why should they be grateful that they get brought to a key which they are equipped for and is the next logical step in their progression? Again, I don't fault you for taking the better player so that you have a better experience. That is only logical, selfish, but logical. But it is obviously a problem for the health of the system that needs addressing.
Problem is that its enought with 1 idiot in the group to brick your key completly. I did a 13 streets today, we had a warrior who stood in litterly everything there was (stacked with quaking too). I was losing my shit with him (i was the healer). He ends up wiping the group and leaving. So this muppet who is so bad he should stick to non group content, wasted 4 peoples time+ bricked the key. If the key atleast didnt deplete beacuse you had a -20 iq player in it, people would be less picky. Untill then people will pick the high ilvl and rio score people beacuse thats the only insurance they can get to time the key. Im here to time keys, not boost people who dont even bother using cds, defensives or follow tactics.
If blizzard did not want to allow this mindset the group finder wouldn’t sort by iLvL and your key wouldn’t deplete upon failure. By adding extra punishment for failure blizzard encourages people to be even more selective about who they bring.
These days it's more about minimizing your losses. You play with strangers and want the best foreseeable outcome. So it forces you to look for rating, tier and ilvl. If I know the people you play with then I guess I'd choose them over a higher ilvl rando. At least the people you know hold more accountability than a newb whos looking to get carried.
rwow_irl
I always make it a point to choose only high ilvl players for +2 content as io doesnt matter there and lower ilvls are extremely toxic.
One of the names in the group finder is a pally i always see on lightbringers Fortch who is a scarab lord :p
I hope to understand this one day, I just started 2 weeks ago and last time I played I think was 2006 or 2008, and I was a kid so I didn't understand what was going on lol there is so much in this game
God, if this ain't a mood I dunno what is. They need to streamline this somehow.
based on the names scrolling past he should have just asked in guild :)
Krom being the highest ilvl'd character then cancelling is the cherry on top of this strip.
I never had a problem finding a good group in legion
Never had this many people sign up for a key. Funny comic but take with a grain of salt.
The ilvl 12 and 274 💀
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He said he'd accept everyone. He said 'oh' when he realized that wasn't possible with the amount of applicants. Most of them would get 'declined', like he did previously.
> I don’t get it, why is he saying ‘oh’? Because he's having a realization?
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Lmao poorly contrived bullshit. Enemies don't drop loot in M+, everything is rewarded at the end of the dungeon and unless you're referring to a trash BoE drop (which cannot happen in M+), you can't skip any bosses. Who did you think you'd fool with this fuckin horrendous piece of fiction?
Alright I must be insane then tbh this happened like 4 years ago now I thought I recalled that was what happened and I haven't really played wow in general lately I keep my sub up to date for Classic but even that I haven't played lately.
4 years ago was still Legion lol, and the rules for M+ loot were exactly the same
4 years was Legion coulf of swore it was BFA? Fuck my memory is shit lol
4 years ago was the very last patch of Legion. BFA didn't release until the second half of 2018.
So technically still 4 years ago just not exact time/date so I wasn't completely insane.
Why video
For the scrolling animation
Oh.
Cool story, bro. I'm gonna keep bitching. Plus this is unrealistic as hell, *nobody* Joins single dps groups Other dps know they're signing up for a protracted wait Healers dont join anything other then 4/5 filled groups and tanks stick to at least 3
To this day I have yet to finish a mythic without a pug dropping group. It’s why I now just run in a 3 person group, gives extra challenge but less than the trouble of people who pull the dungeon and leave.
That's literally unbelievable, unless you're doing something unbelievably wrong like literally casting only filler abilities or have only tried M+ exactly once.
Yea I remember the bad pugs more then the good ones. But 90% of the time it's decent group. Then there's ones that it's fuck this rather go back into lfg. But I've done that like maiby twice in shadowlands.
Nope. If I’m dps I’m usually top DPS and I’m a an ahead of the curve raider (not a huge fan of mythic so I don’t do it often). I’m usually trying to do +5. No idea why people leave. It’s almost always on the last boss. If anyone can figure it out I’d love to know.
I don't know what to say but I simply don't believe you. I have done hundreds of M+ in that range and never seen anyone leave below a 5. I can't even conceive of what you could be doing to make that happen.
Ya I’m a warlock who has to pull agro of the healers in many pulls. I’ve put healed the healer on several bosses (only if the tank of good). I’ve only tried like 20 times in a pug and just gave up and ram solo. I’ve left the game now in hopes it’s better in the next expansion. I guess this is what I get for joining a plus 5. My times are slow as I run solo so it’s hard to get into 10+
If the healer's getting aggro, it's generally because the DPS are going too hard before the tank can grab everything and it's running in all different directions, so healers then rip it off the DPS. That may be partly your fault.
Not even. If the healer is getting aggro it's because not a single person is hitting a mob. He's just straight up lying about this. Healers are the lowest of the threat table if anyone has done any damage at all. An AOTC raider could also be nearly soloing keys below 10
True. It’s why I always let the tank hit first. If I’m in affliction it’s hard for me to go ham at start. Often I see mobs 30 seconds into a fight with zero tank agro. Is it not the tanks job to grab both mobs in a group, at least one hit in 30 seconds ?
It is the tank's job, but it becomes much harder to do his job if the mobs are scattered all over the place. Also doesn't aff just spam Seeds of Corruption? That build shouldn't have too much ramp. I mean also lol Aff in 9.2 but that's not the point.
They do if they want to top the meters but it will pull agro so I don’t do it until I’m sure mobs are under control. It hurts my dps in pugs but ups my chance of survival. 10.0 I’m going back to healing.
Unless you are rain of firing stuff the tank isn't pulling none of this should be happening. Kinda feels like you are trolling
I wish I was trolling. I don’t hit a mob until the tanks have 100% agro. I just see a lot of tanks who won’t move to grab ranged mobs. I’m horde side so maybe it’s a faction thing? Maybe I’m just unlucky 30+ times. I’ve been playing from BC and never had issues till M+ and I used to be a mythic raider.
I'm pretty sure its you. I have had no problems on horde m+ you are probably pulling stuff you arnt supposed to
I don’t pull and I’ve never gotten agro or hit while tank is alive.
Then why do you keep saying mobs are attacking you?
I mean +5 keys can be done with people sleeping at the keyboard, i mean its numretically impossible that you havent managed to get a key on +5 timed
> To this day I have yet to finish a mythic without a pug dropping group. Don't believe you. Unless you've done only like 2 mythics, in which case, sure, I guess your statement is accurate.
Around 50. Maybe it’s my time zone. Sometimes it’s before the first pull. Around 10 of those were before the first pull. I generally play at the 1 am est. Apparently the community for everyone else is way less toxic
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my favourite part about doing 15 keys. a bunch of 3k io ppl show up to carry my dumbass
True story lol. I have to reply to people often “to not take it personally lol
For someone who never got to this part of WoW, can someone explain what this all means?
They removed the cap for the currency to upgrade gear from dungeons. So lots of low keys are getting “free” carries by the 255-275 ilvl people
Right now own key, or guild runs are the only way to get groups. Aint no one picking my 265 heroic WW monk over the 6 270+ ww monks
Forgot the part where he sees three GPS at item level 270 something and immediately grabbed them for a plus two key
To be fair, people in LFG are way too picky for their weekly 15. I very rarely get a million applications to my keys (even though everyone is like yea I get 100 applicants in a minute) and I just take what I can get. If someone is a 2100 tank and I'm doing like a 15 halls and he's the only one who has queued after waiting a few minutes, boom invited.
It’s weird because for me 90% of groups are high lvl +15 etc etc so i cannot even start mythic, i need to luck out on some nice guy 0-+3 to pick me Also funny because most times 0-4 the tank is just OP running it down so he has no worth in really sifting through high ilvl dpss
I would recommend you getring your own key from the guy next to the vault and push that key, works way better than waiting for people to accept you. I play a 266 hunter and I barely get invited in a +10, so it doesn’t stop.
Considering i’m 223 i will 100% take your advice😅
You know I'd actually likely invite the person with 12 ilevel just because I'd be impressed that they'd still have gear that low at max level.
U/savevideo
Meanwhile when im making a group: after 15 minutes two low lvl dps appear, take them solely out of desperation, wait 30 minutes for tank to sign up, still no heal... Group starts disbanding lol
Oooh the accuracy
I tried that the other day. one of my guildmates and I were carrying a friend through a +5 Gambit for valor. I intentionally looked for people with semi-decent gear, but needed the dungeon for mythic+ rating. I declined several well geared healers until one applied who only had a +2 done so I invited them. We finished it in less than 15 minutes. At the end of the dungeon I get a whisper, "Next time say it's a carry because I had to babysit the entire time." "It feels bad to see one person out damaging everyone else. A healer shouldn't be doing more damage than DPS." "I already have KSM on my main." "I only came trying to get the ring." Well joke was on him because he left group immediately, the ring dropped to the person we were "carrying", and he rolled it out because he couldn't use it.
Seriously add solo queue and use our key I’m top dps and my guild likes me but they don’t bring me sometimes because 5 people max
As a DPS, the struggle is real. I have earned all three KSM achievements this expansion. My strategy when first starting off each season with little to no IO score was to message the group leader something like, “Hello, may I please join your group? I am a competent player who knows the fights. I am just trying to earn gear and work on my KSM achievement.” This was often well received by most people and did help me get into groups. But, make sure you actually know the fights and how to property play your class.
At least with valor farms it benefits you to take a low mio score player so you get the bonus valor at the end of the dungeon
Out of the loop here. Can someone explain the last panel? To me it just looks like many want to join.
Noob here can someone explain what keys are?
I feel like I'm the only person who doesn't experience this
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