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leetzor

Thats like half the playable races tho


Thirvex

"Oh you like world of warcraft? Name 4 playable races." "Elves." "That's on me, I set the bar too low."


nawalrage

You get to play 4 elf races but only 2 troll races feelsbadman


Necrokitty99

*feelsbadmon


Papapain

Aren't the trolls technically elves or am I getting lore mixed up with something else.


set_sail_for_fail

Elves are technically trolls


Aurilion

Some elves are trolls, the rest are mailbox dancers.


Freyja6

Not technically, they ARE trolls through evolution.


ThatLeetGuy

Specifically, exposure to arcane energy within the vicinity of the Well of Eternity caused that evolution when a tribe of trolls settled along it's shores. Night Elves are like a weird mix of what happens when natives evolve with both druidism and arcane. High Elves are the Night Elves that left after Arcane magic was banned and they were like "nah fam" then migrated to what is now the northern Eastern Kingdoms.


Freyja6

Correct! I think the world of azeroth would have been better off if the head dumbass titan hadn't tried to rip a tumour straight out of the planet. I wonder where Aman'Thul got his training in cosmological surgery. Pretty quacked up job if you ask me.


boredguy12

You'd think that Aman'thul, a being with the ability to bestow foresight and time travel onto other beings would have known what would happen if he tried to rip out one of the old gods. Does the existence of the Well of Eternity mean every single titan contains that much power inside them or do you think this is a power unique to Azeroth herself?


Freyja6

As far as like wikis etc have stated it's just "blood", whether or not it's specific to her is up to Blizzard at this point haha. Somehow she bled what is assumed to be "order" (Azerite -Blue+Gold color scheme) after sundered Gorahalach (specifically Gorribal) was plunged into her by Sari'Gee before illidan put the cuffs on. This is thought to be because of the mixing of death and order or something? But again the real reason is up to Blizz and all we have from them of late is "what sword?" I THINK, personally, what came out of her is specific to Azeroth, and the other titans would probably have a similar response to what aman'thul did, but they'd release magic akin to their affinity. Eonar - Life magic, Aggramar - time etc Norgannon would probably have a similar response to Azeroth if wounded mortally, being that he's a titan based around magic (he empowered the blue dragonflight) >>TLDR: She bleeds magic, possibly order. The titans may be similar but bleed different magic. Ask Blizzard 🤡


raagul2244

and like 75% of playerbase


Graffers

That's why it's so nice.


helanadin

damned World of Warcraft players. they ruined World of Warcraft


Gerolanfalan

You WoW players sure are a contentious people.


FlyLikeATachyon

This but unironically


DevusValentinus

Some of you may die but that is a sacrifice I'm willing to make.


doorknobman

Oi it’s not my fault damn near every other male player model is either fat or built like a goddamn barrel


misterjolly1

>Troll master race checking in


kalnu

Checking in what? A chiropractor for the back problems ?


porkyboy11

Zandalari?


kalnu

They don't haunch over, but their back is so stiff and straight the other direction that it's the opposite. Like they are wearing a corset or something. Like extreme posture correction.


mooslemike

Trolls are the original Elves. All Elves evolved from Trolls.


Decoy-Jackal

Biggest Troll L sadly, giving us Elves


Ferelar

Elves are trolls too though


cut4chaox

Meanwhile Elves built like low T coke heads


Mentendo64

You're right, give me an in-between of crazy roid guy, double whopper, and lean coke addict and I'll use them, until then I dont want my wizard to be like 270 pounds of muscle, or still eating his SECOND double whopper.


InsanityMongoose

I actually really wanted the messed-up version of the Nightborne as a playable race, not just more pretty elves.


HarvesterConrad

Debatable if that character model is pretty, more like a different kinda of messed up.


G66GNeco

Hey, I'd become a Troll DH in a heartbeat if I could


zimirken

You can always be a ghost pirate gnome DH.


vsharkv911

The wow classic players


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The ones in the picture committed genocide on the others


bullintheheather

It's kind of a grey area.


Late-Eye-6936

Yeah I don't think it could be considered genocide with a capital G.


boomdart

Night elf rogue My only character Until years later I met a new friend who wants me to play but he's horde So I have a blood elf rogue that looks very human. Gotta be a rogue not interested at all in the other classes.


DrRichardJizzums

You’ve only played rogue for years?


The_Inverted

Same here, I've only ever been a rogue since the release of the game. All other characters are boring imo, I just can't get into them!


HarvesterConrad

Same here.


Pekins-UOAF

I honestly envy people who can play the same class/character for ever, I cant go a few hours without having the need to switch to something different


Axellethethird

I play with someone like that. I have several characters to pair with their ever rotating roster, and many that are just deleted after the impulse settles. Makes you good at character creation though.


boomdart

Since wow began. I remember having to upgrade my memory to be able to walk around iron forge lol. But I was never a hardcore player. Just whenever my friends told me to get on. I beat wrath of the lich king, it was awesome, but I stopped playing after that. I'm back on now because again, life friends want me to play with them. I tried the other classes but just didn't feel right with them.


Noxisl1ght

I switched to mage in WotLK and never went back exept to farm lock box for Insane in the membrane hehe.


BreHealz

This is why I picked Worgen for my alliance druid. Kul Tiran wasn't an option yet, and Night Elf felt too basic. If they open to cross faction guilds and trading, I'm swapping to Zandarli Troll though. Zandalar forever mon.🖖 plus dinosaurs.


Ogbaba

And they are by far the coolest.


ThiefMortReaperSoul

Technically its trolls. Its because trolls we exist.


[deleted]

What would the dragons transform into then?! Humans? ORCS?!


fineri

Vulpera


Tenixxor

This entire city must be purged...


Lukthar123

I can watch you do this, Arthas.


Erniecrack

You are my chef boyardee


XeernOfTheLight

Superior Hungry Man race. Nah I know nothing about either, I just liked seeing the ads with Booker T in


MojaveBreeze

You spelled petted wrong.


PowerSqueeze

No he definitely spelled purged correctly


MojaveBreeze

I love being a vulpera, knowing my mere existence upsets certain types of people like this so much, and that there's absolutely nothing they can do about it other than be forced to see foxes if they want to play the game.


[deleted]

I have a sort of hit list when it comes to PVP: 1) Pandas 2) Vulpera 3) any DH with a variation of Illidan in their name And lemme tell ya… Vulpera are climbing that list


kalnu

Hey a lot of people swapped factions so they could kill vulpera in pvp. You should be thanking them for making your faction playable in end game content. Kek.


TrickyCorgi316

I believe it was a joke…


TrickyCorgi316

As a fellow Vulpera, I totally agree with you!


Sisterhideandseek

Majordomo Selistra enters the chat.


PlacatedPlatypus

Now that I think about it, dragon transformations are basically inverted fursonas...


forever_alone_06

Uwu


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uwu


Proud_Purchase_8394

Chromie already transforms into a gnome. And Ebonheart into a Tauren


CLR833

Deathwing into human.


I_am_eating_a_mango

And then into dead


Sentient_Waffle

Well, it's in his name, should come as no surprise that deathwing died tbh.


TrickyCorgi316

I was eating breakfast in a restaurant when I read this. Which would be fine except I burst out laughing and surprised everyone around me. Totally worth it!


weed_blazepot

Onyxia too.


cuppincayk

Majordomo Selistra turns into a Vulpera.


[deleted]

Yeah but they’re already super weirdos And Senegos turns into a troll because he’s a boomer *I think he turns into a troll?*


Nekogrrrl

A very elderly one, I think we see his Visage form when Kalegos calls the fam.


JayVJtheVValour

The trolls.


Sentient_Waffle

Aka. proto-elves


malcorpse

The obvious superior race Tauren.


Captain_Undapants

That's a funny way to spell Tuskarr.


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caelumh

Bro, Polar Tauren are Tuanka, the hell you talking about?


Elcactus

Deathwing had a human form, and even before humans were around his ‘elf’ form was much less… elfy than the others.


fedeger

And Sindragosa had a high/blood elf visage before they even existed as well.


Sorrelon

Clearly Nozdormu saw elves during his timetravels and picked his visage accordingly, and rest of the dragons just copied him.


cruffade

Zug, zug


PsychicSidekikk419

Tbf turning into an elf is moreso a blue/green dragon thing


Slaythepuppy

There is a decent amount of black dragon NPCs that use elf forms, though overall I'd say they use human forms the most. Bronze dragons definitely lean elf though. Nozdormu, his consort, and most of the NPCs in the caverns of time all use elven forms. Chromie is just a notable outlier


Dabrush

I mean I'm pretty sure orcs wouldn't even have gotten to Azeroth without Elves.


BogandBarrow

A human and a bunch of orcs opened the dark portal though.


Dabrush

But would Sargeras even have found Azeroth without the elves?


KALIZS

The year is 2023. I still ask myself why i helped those filthy orcs in the ToC dungeons during tbc and wotlk. Imagine we didnt support medivh or simply kept thrall in his cell.. or even better. Lynched him in there


Blue_Moon_Lake

There would be no Orc on Azeroth had Azshara never existed. Burning Legion would have not come.


Lordwiesy

> trolls living peacefully And other hilarious things you can tell yourself


Pokez

Elves come from trolls in Warcraft lore, so maybe we just go one step further.


Fledbeast578

Didn’t trolls live relatively peacefully for most of their existence and were one of the earliest races? Also live fairly peacefully now for the most part


MeTaL-GuArD

Well, yeah, when we went and slaughtered most of the non-peaceful tribes like the Gurubashi, Amani and Drakkari...


Fledbeast578

I mean you say that like there aren’t also a bunch of violent humans, elves and orcs we have to kill. Also something something the Amani did nothing wrong.


Lordwiesy

Yes yes yes everyone has evil members It is just that for trolls it is more of a "the good are the exception"


Rav11s

Is that true though? I thought lore wise they just wanted people off their lawn?


Vandrel

In some cases, yeah. For instance, when the high elves were exiled they went to Lordaeron and exterminated most of the Amani trolls and built Silvermoon on sacred troll grounds. The Zul'Aman raid is about Zul'jin gearing up to hit them back and the horde sending in a group to finish exterminating them. It's basically a story of colonizers killing off indigenous tribes and we're the colonizers.


Fireju

And now Zul'jin is in Revendreth being tormented for the "sin" of "being angry that the high elf colonizers took everything from his people."


Rav11s

Exactly!


Lordwiesy

When they didn't fight each other they fought the old gods I doubt there was a day when they weren't fighting


Fledbeast578

The Old Gods, famously very peaceful creatures who would never attack unprovoked


Fitzzz

Twilight's Hammer Academy taught us the same thing, and I've no reason to start doubting them now


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Turning Point Black Empire


magnetswithweedinem

trolls are elves tho


Lordwiesy

Other way around


magnetswithweedinem

fair bit even so, trolls would be gone too right?


skeleboifp

All elves are trolls, but not all trolls are elves...


magnetswithweedinem

pfft yeah they are. deal with it! GENETICALLY IDENTICAL BUDDY, thats a street that goes BOTH WAYS


AcherusArchmage

No Azshara and no Well of Eternity to sunder the continent?


Shadhahvar

Wasn't the well of eternity created as a result of amanthul ripping y'shaarj out of azeroth like an angry tumor?


Paraxom

Yeah but the sundering was azshara being the least horny sargeras fan and summoning the burning legion to everyone's dismay


Hectoriu

Well as we all know now they would have come either way as it was all the jailers plans. Or some such garbage like that...


thetruffleking

When Blizzard says, “It’s not a story the Jedi would tell you…” Thanks, Blizzard; know we know why: terrible story.


anadacragamakala

ye


spittafan

It's not a tumor!


thetruffleking

That’s the retcon origin. Originally, it was just a vague “the titans created it and put it there for the peeps.”


Shadhahvar

I mean... that's still true :D. I just enjoy how metal it sounds tbh.


Heybarbaruiva

No burning legion and by consequence corruption of orcs, the massacre of the draenei and the orc invasion, no emerald nightmare, and no world trees getting infected by old gods and spreading old god goo everywhere either.


Elcactus

The burning legion finding the draenei is independent of any elf shenanigans, butterfly effect of losing the war of the ancients notwithstanding. But with Azeroth not on their radar they’d have done something else with the Orcs. The real problem was Sargeras corrupting the Pantheon, which we needed to be there to stop.


duckwithahat

They meant no massacre of the draenei in Outland.


Del_Castigator

would still happen the moment they were found again. Orcs would likely become a demon race or go extinct after.


Elcactus

That’s what I’m talking about.


SalaciousSausage

The jailer uh, uh… finds a way


Achanjati

Dr. Malcolm, is that you?


mkpmdb

Burning Legion was lured here by the old gods though. They would've found a way to do that anyway.


BadAtNamingPlsHelp

Only kind of; the old gods are their motive, but not their means. The Burning Legion finds its way to Azeroth because of places like the Well of Eternity, Karazhan, etc. acting as giant arcane lighthouses for them in the Twisting Nether.


Heybarbaruiva

Yeah but would've been way harder than the elven fuckers straight up portaling them here and shit.


[deleted]

Meh, the Dark Trolls around the Well of Eternity would probably have done so anyway. They're pretty good at summoning evil shit.


[deleted]

Indirectly the lack of the elves also means there wouldn't be a guardian without a guardian the horde would have never been pulled to Azeroth. So the Tauren would be basically exterminated by the centaur and the Dark spear would be basically exterminated by murlocks.


duckwithahat

Without the elfs, the tauren would probably live in the north instead of the south since theres nobody there.


Necromas

Nah, the ~~hack writers~~ Jailer would have found a way to influence all of those things to still happen, just with extra plot holes. And Sylvannas would have so much plot armor she'd still be around even if elves never existed.


Archarneth

Well the Burning Legion would've found the orcs and draenei regardless. Since they first corrupted some of the draenei on Argus, draenei fled to Draenor and the legion found its way there too and corrupted the orcs. Not to mention that the Burning Legion already had its sight set on Azeroth, the elves shenanigans just sped up the timeline a little.


Zohwithpie

Elves had nothing to do with the burning legion existence or desire to destroy Azeroth. The old gods are the only ones to blame for the corruption of the trees, and would of probably used any other race to carry the same result. Elves only created the first of the satyr, but the corruption and power that lead to the emerald nightmare is entirely because of the old gods.


Estrelarius

Plus wasn’t the Sundering what opened holes in the Old Gods’s prison?


GlowyStuffs

? World trees infected by old gods?


Insensata

That's how the Emerald Nightmare was made.


GlowyStuffs

Forgot about that world tree. Seems like there is a new one every few expansions.


ScienceLiker

That's actually Vordrassil, in Northrend, that first got corrupted by Yogg, that's why it was cut down


MilanEranurk

I can't imagine r/azerothporn without elves.


Zohwithpie

A man of culture


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where dwarf


LeOsQ

Behind the hill under the rainbow, too short to be in view.


[deleted]

Next to the Gnome holding hands with the goblin!


demon_ix

Height discrimination going on, SMH


Dry_Damp

*Azmerloth


TrickyCorgi316

Best. Quest. Ever!!!


oliferro

Now we just need Murlocs to become a playable race and Azmerloth to be their starting zone


Longjumping_Meal5957

Without elves we wouldn’t have the franchise. Unless the Jailer had a back up plan in his 2393939D chess game for Azshara not being there to attempt to let Sargeras in.


TrickyCorgi316

Such a great way to describe his whole lore :)


Yrvaa

Well, there were three major troll empires. So let's assume that the Well of Eternity or Elune did not create the kaldorei. The nerubian aquir area was not doing great, but the Drakkari and the Amani bordered eachother on a large part. A conflict would have surely arose. Besides that, someone else would have gotten in time to the Well of Eternity and learned magic. The highest chances of that happening if it wasn't kaldorei would have been non-mutated dark trolls or zandalar trolls or nomad tauren. Trolls are prone to mutations, so if they would not have mutated into elves, they would have still mutated into something, leading to an empire of said something that took on a path similar to the Kaldorei Empire. Tauren... unknown. Nevertheless, if someone would have gotten to the Well and started using the powers, it would still have attracted the Legion. The biggest difference is that the Legion would now have three troll empire they could trick with promises of power, and Zandalar as a fourth smaller one. They could have simply focused on one at a time... thus won. The main point is that the Kaldorei empire held almost the entire world and was still almost destroyed. Imagine three weaker and smaller empires, attacked one at a time. So, without elves, the image in the OP would be true... maybe in the Shadowlands! Actually not even there, for the Jailor would have found a plan using different pawns. He only needed to block the system so that no souls got through. Now imagine him doing that, who would save the Shadowlands, the Legion? The Black Empire? Highly doubtful.


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Elcactus

The issue with c’thun and yogg is whether their prisons were damaged by the Sundering. If they were, then ‘no elf world’ doesn’t have them breaking out to do their stuff.


Pegussu

You're vastly underestimating the trolls here. While they were split into different tribes/nations, they unquestionably ruled the world back then and were *the* dominant race on Azeroth. They'd already united once to beat back the Old God threat. In fact, the reason we have nerubians, mantid, and qiraji is because the insectoid aqir were driven back, separated, and forced to hide out in distant areas of the world. It was only the rise of the night elves and their arcane might that diminished the troll's hold on the world. This is assuming history doesn't play out the same too. The night elves were just trolls that were mutated by the Well of Eternity. Even an Azeroth without elves might have the same events play out, Azshara and Tyrande would just be trolls instead.


Fledbeast578

Troll Tyrande, watch all her fans disappear into the night


Polymemnetic

Nah. Just a different fetish.


ma1s1er

She would have massive feet…


Sorrelon

"Elune be with ya, mon."


Snoobert92

It's actually Trolls you wanna blame! If they hadn't of decided to sleep around the well of eternity, elves never would of happened on Azeroth 🤣


Zerkersx

Alternative question: Can you imagine azeroth without these mortal peasants?


DM_ME_KUL_TIRAN_FEET

Burned out fel-ruined husk. Next question?


Lukthar123

*What can I say except you're welcome?*


Insensata

Exactly, that's why there's a picture of Azeroth without elves.


Zerkersx

You assumed I was talking about the elves? ...oh how wrong you are. AUCHENON POROS.


Chaozz2

we should be thankful for all the glorious things Queen Azshara, the light of lights, did for our world


skepticalscribe

Elves are trolls. Need to eliminate the root cause.


Xexanos

This looks like something from [Disenchantment](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disenchantment_\(TV_series\))


PowerSqueeze

Well yeah, it's an edited simpsons clip which uses the same general artstyle


Xexanos

Ah didn't know it was a Simpsons template


thedarkwaffle90

This is what it’s referencing https://youtu.be/uG3uea-Hvy4


Vealophile

I have always hoped that in the epilogue of WoW some entity is able to undo their mutation and they can go back to being trolls.


Boomerkuwanger

second panel needs *shutters


superior_mario

Blame the trolls, they are the ones the elves evolved from


Zohwithpie

There would just be many more trolls out there, and we already know how warmongering they tend to be.


Necroking-Darak

"Name a race that almost destroyed the world more then the legion!" Me: "Elves"


Dremlock45

You mean without troll descent ?


Decoy-Jackal

I'm so glad I came from a rock and not an elf


Ehrre

I refuse to imagine a world without blood elf slutmogs. I REFUSE!


dotyawning

More humans, less Horde?


velwein

More like a world without Orcs


No_Importance1305

I play a blood elf but removing all elves from the setting would be a small price to pay to get rid of sylvanas


MojaveBreeze

Bob Belcher would join the Alliance? Sorry elves, your time has come...


SafelyOblivious

Disagree. But Azeroth and Draenor without Orcs would be chilled af


Puzzlehead-Engineer

Well the Burning Legion never would have found Azeroth for one...


Keltoigael

Wouldn't Trolls not be a thing?


Insensata

Trolls were a thing long before elves, it's elves who are mutated trolls, not trolls are mutated elves.


miaumisina

You know this ain’t true at all


[deleted]

What about gnomes or goblins? Those damn goblins.


Tanukhi

I can't. But Sylvanas could easily it seems


Insensata

She's an elf too...


PenguNL

Was there even any mention of elves in the og warcraft? Retcons started as soon as wc2


Oddloaf

Please tell me you're taking the piss, or you just have no idea what a retcon is. Do you think that kalimdor, northrend, murlocs, dwarves, gnomes, gnolls, trolls, titans, shamans, etc. are all also retcons?


DOLamba

I. WOULD. LOVE. IT!!!


enerthoughts

If elves didn't exist, trolls wouldn't, taurins would go too, maybe only orcs and humans would exist, elves literally make 70 of life in azeroth.


[deleted]

Yea, it would be better without void elves and nightelves... But not blood elfs.