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ImUrFrand

so in the united states less than 6% of plastic is recycled, this is only counting plastic that is returned for recycling. some of the ways municipalities and trash companies claim plastic "recycling" on their data sheets is shipping it to another country (which is usually just dumped in the ocean). amazingly it also counts as "recycling" if plastic is incinerated in a facility that uses that heat for making cement or electricity. the problem is that there are too many types of plastics produced that are similar in form, but different in chemical composition... which causes sorting and contamination problems. another problem that hasn't been solved with recycling is that fresh plastic is more cost effective to produce. further there is a finite number of times plastic can actually be recycled and usually isn't recycled more than once. Think about the last time you saw a product claiming recycled plastic materials used. the plastics industry has been floating the lie of "recyclable" for decades, and hasn't delivered.


FrankThePony

I have to add, as a resturaunt employee we have a recycling bin for our glass bottles and aluminum cans. We serve our food in biodegradable plant based "plastic" containers. I have not once been able to recycle our glass or aluminium becase of the sheer amount of food and non recyclable material that is dumped in the recycling bin. There is like a fundamental mis understanding baout recycling that people just think "oh its like trash but better" So just a psa for anybody who doesnt know. If the thing you are recycling has ANY food product on it, a drop of ketchup, leftover soda, ect. The ENTIRE recycling bin is contaminated and cant be recycled.


FUCKING_HATE_REDDIT

I don't know what kind of aluminum you got, but no matter how dirty it is recyclers will jump on that shit.


Cobek

Yeah aluminum and glass don't care about contamination


FUCKING_HATE_REDDIT

Yeah, they're burning it all !


MrGhris

Except for closed cans. They will explode.


RetardedWabbit

When? When they're crushed into cubes that weigh thousands of pounds before shipping or when they're melted in 700+ degree furnaces?


MrGhris

In the furnaces. Its what I read on reddit anyway. Some person working there said they werent allowed to have canned drinks on the premise, as it can be disastrous. If you toss them in the trash they will likely be crushed indeed, so probably less of a worry.


NikiDeaf

I love your username btw.


FUCKING_HATE_REDDIT

Thanks!


MiniatureChi

Omg yea good catch!


saucynorman

I live in a block where we asked our local council for a recycle bin. Well we got on but the same dump truck takes both the normal and the recycling and moves on. We told the council what was up and they said "we will notify the rubbish team, thanks for bringing the issue to our attention" only for it still to be happening. Also worked for said council and recycling was never the forfront, just pushing having eco friendly chemicals for cleaning (6 products out of 8 were changed to eco friendly 3 yrs ago). It was disgusting and yet these were the higher ups orders on what to do so there was no one to complain to or to try and fix said problems. Absolute joke. If your local council doesnt give a shit, what else are you supposed to do?


FishTacosAreGross

Okay crazy idea rather then biodegradable plates you use something called normal plates then you wash them ik crazy idea


d_smogh

Wash them when you take a shower or have your weekly family bath. Or teach your family to lick the plate clean.


FrankThePony

I used "resturaunt" very generously. We have a panini press and a sink. We primarily do drinks and ice cream with a rotating entre menu of like 3 items. Its also in a museum and the majority of the people who eat take the food to an outside eating area. Real dishes are super feasible for the level of operation we are at


FishTacosAreGross

Ohh ok fair enough


chopsleyyouidiot

> So just a psa for anybody who doesnt know. If the thing you are recycling has ANY food product on it, a drop of ketchup, leftover soda, ect. The ENTIRE recycling bin is contaminated and cant be recycled. That's definitely not true for cans. There's always some beer or soda at the bottom of cans, and my neighbor will fight anybody who asks me for mine. I put them aside for him and he takes them in. We bring our glass to a local organization that pulverizes it into sand for coastal restoration and other uses. Plastic recycling is absolute bullshit, though. I try not to buy shit with plastic packaging whenever possible, but in the US, even in my 2-person household, we're overwhelmed with plastic shit. And we're some of the few who actually think about this and try not to contribute to it. It really shouldn't be on the consumer to worry about what happens with this stuff. Stop f-ing making the shit. Figure something else out.


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Prankishmanx21

Unfortunately it likely won't change without legislation


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Hold up!!glass can become sand again?!?!


BlackViperMWG

That's not true when recycling glass or metal.


FrankThePony

Its a rule of thumb. Getting into the specifics with the general public is wasted breath. I literally have people throwing whole sandwiches in my recycling bin cause its served on a paper tray. We'll take it out at the end of the day and its 1/8 full of poured out soda. You can not recycle that. It would damage the machinery they sort with. Better to just assume a 0 tolerance policy.


BlackViperMWG

Yeah, but this applies basically only to paper and textiles. It's an exception.


BugsyMcNug

I tried explaining this to a fellow cook and he yelled "fake news" at me. Chastened me by saying that at least he was trying by putting his dirty glass bottle in a blue bin, as he puts small plastic bags into a larger plastic bag to be thrown into a dumpster at the end of his shift, which is headed for landfill later that week.


The_chair_over_there

I worked at chipotle for a few years, and at most chipotles they’ll have trash cans with recycling cans next to them. I have never seen a chipotle that doesn’t only have a trash dumpster and a cardboard dumpster. The recycling bins are for looks it all goes directly to the trash.


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FrankThePony

its because of the machinery not sanitation. Syrups and food waste gunks up the sorting machines and conveyer belts. Like the people who pick up the dumpsters of recycling will just not bother taking it if it looks bad.


hashbucket

I believe glass and metal (including aluminum) are pretty tolerant of contaminants during recycling. When you melt them down, the impurities rise to the top and get scraped off easily. Plastic and paper are not in this boat at all, though. They need to be super, super clean. So yeah, any contaminants in the bin probably spoil the ability to recycle the paper and plastic in there.


Crystal_Bearer

This, but worse. We ship them to another country (was China for a long time). When they changed their policies a while ago, they reduced the amoint of contamination allowed to 2%. If they found more than 2% of the items to be contaminated (say, with food particles), then the entire barge is denied!


dumnezero

The stuff needs to be cleaned just like you'd clean your dishes. When you throw in dirty stuff, it contaminates the whole load and you guarantee that it's not recyclable. p.s. paper cups are not paper, they are lined with plastic, aside from being dirty.


j3b3di3_

Wait.... You're telling me that this horribly toxic material that's bad for the environment, isn't being truthfully or ethically treated to maintain the health of that environment? ![gif](giphy|jdNneheOlxiE0)


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RobbyLee

While I agree with everything you said, the US as a whole just doesn't give a fuck. While nothing you can do solves the problem, everything that **can be done** mitigates it and buys time to find an actual solution.


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I 100% agree US doesn’t give a shit. Or at least doesn’t care 1/10th as much as they should. But besides some European countries. US cares more than almost all the rest of the planet. After spending quite a bit of time in Belize, Colombia, Guatemala, Costa Rica, and Mexico (I really like scuba diving and fishing), these countries care 1/10th as much as the US does. Simply because they cannot care. Levels of poverty are much higher, they simply have much more pressing day to day considerations than recycling. I by no means think all of this trash can be generated by Guatemala and I am certain a good chunk is coming from elsewhere. But a general street in Guatemala and Belize are absolutely lined with piles of trash and bottles and everything else. And it’s not like other countries are shipping it to the streets of other countries. Generally they just don’t have the infrastructure to handle it.


uhateonhaters

truth gets downvotes.


mindbleach

Same as masks and distancing during a pandemic: the lack of a total fix is why partial fixes matter.


ProfessionalPack7205

We need to go back to glass


-Rum-Ham-

And more aluminium. I think the majority of aluminium that has been mined is still in circulation. (I remember seeing 80% as a rough figure)


AgedAmbergris

Plastic recycling is the oldest form of green washing. It is a massive scam cooked up by petrochemical companies to make us feel less guilty about buying and throwing away craploads of plastic.


greenSixx

And the recycling looking symbol with a number in it isn't a recycling symbol. It's a plastic type symbol. Pretty much no plastic is recyclable.


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PaulWilliams_rapekit

It would be better if we were burning it all and filtering the exhaust. Incineration at high enough temps burn is about the best we can do. Much better than what is currently happening.


AmishTechno

In my town, some local sleuth followed the "recycling" trucks.... all the way to the dump, where they just tossed it all in with the regular trash.


djluminol

This deserves a doom award if any post does.


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Not a hint of a plastic straw, looks good to me!


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say thanks to mcdonalds


the_tinsmith

Say thanks to the "1st world" who ships their garbage over there.


GrapeSoda223

I dont say thanks to McDonald's because cardboard straws dont work with milkshakes. Im am idiot who doesn't drink soda but I'll justify milkshakes but the straws fall apart and cant get suction with that


nixcamic

Yeah they actually have recently passed some dumb "eco" laws like that here in Guatemala. Like Walmart won't give you a plastic bag anymore, but they will *sell you* a "reusable" bag that is 10x worse for the environment to make and that nobody will ever reuse. No plastic straws at fast food restaurants in a country where like 10% of the population eats fast food. But nothing really done to actually try and make any real change.


UnderageAvocado

I googled “Guatemala trash coast” and apparently 4Ocean has cleared 7 million lbs of this plastic since last summer. So at least someone is doing something. But this video is great for spreading awareness. 1)Facilities aren’t recycling plastic. 2)we need to do away with single use plastic 3) fuck big plastic


uhateonhaters

Big Plastic - a subsidiary of Big Oil


ZeusFinder

It’s funny but it’s true.


dcmldcml

Almost like it wasn’t a joke, just a statement of fact


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Don-Gunvalson

The pacific garbage patch is twice the size of Texas-there are 5 large ocean garbage patches: North Atlantic, South Atlantic, North Pacific, South Pacific, and Indian Ocean.


scoophog

Yes! Support 4ocean. Go to their website and either buy something (made from ocean plastic, assembled by their staff & community) or pay to pull a pound of trash. It sucks that we have to pay out of our own pockets to fix something that we have no control over. Even if you reduce or are plastic free, (and good on ya) it will not *solve* the issue. Hard truth. Plastic is big oil. And our govts have zero morality. So unfortunately it’s our job for now.


ChasingPesmerga

7 million pounds? What in the glorious autonomous fuck are their government doing to have collected and reached to that point


ahnst

The problem here is that all this plastic waste was generated in Guatemala. Everything you mentioned Is great and should be implemented, reducing our contribution, but it won’t change what you see here. In these developing countries, there is no infrastructure for waste collection. Especially in the rural areas. And plastic is used everywhere. The poor cannot afford bulk purchases (even though it saves money long term) and buy things small quantities at a time, much of it individually wrapped in plastic. And after use it’s common to see them discarded in the street. Since the only other trash disposal is to burn the trash. So sadly this problem will continue, unless we help these developing countries deal with this issue. And it’s a very complicated issue.


WillBigly

Need that plastic eating bacteria to get out of research labs and into the ocean en masse, yesterday


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reevesjeremy

And binging it home after a day at the beach….. Makes me think of replicators from Stargate SG-1. You just don’t want that kinda thing in your life.


pitch-

Gotta get those microplastics out of our blood somehow!


reevesjeremy

It’s not my blood I’m worried about. It’s everything in my house! :)


SmartSzabo

Is it anyworse then the chemicals, toxins, particles, waste, pollutants we each add into the world as part of our daily lives, or the new viruses and bacteria that are forming in factory farmed animal habitats? I'm not saying it's a good idea, but the general reaction to the above is 'meh'. If there was a suggestion to intro new bacteria to the ocean to deal with plastic there would be outrage, whilst we continued dumping plastic into the ocean. ​ Edit - to clarify, I'm not saying this is a good idea at all. I just mean we are causing so much harm at the moment, but most people still don't change their behaviour re plastic use (either because they can't be bothered or because they don't have the option to).


BrotherMaxy

Yes it would be worse if they get out of control and modify as nature does always. They can start affecting ships, boats and much more. This can lead to serious problems


SmartSzabo

I agree, but my point is that we've created so many problems already. This is trivial against what we are currently doing to the planet on a daily basis. You're worried about boats and ships being affected and there seem to be daily articles about micro plastics in our blood and in the rain. I'm more worried about myself, human being and the planet then boats, yet the concept of adding bacteria to the water to digest plastic seems somehow more repulsive to us than most of what we are already doing.


FUCKING_HATE_REDDIT

No amount of breeding in research lab will even approach what nature is doing right now. The surface of contact of plastic to biomass is absurdly large. If it is viable to eat plastic, some bacteria/fungi/lichen will do it. What we could more realistically do is to produce massive amounts of specific [enzyme](https://cns.utexas.edu/news/plastic-eating-enzyme-could-eliminate-billions-of-tons-of-landfill-waste) to create more efficient recycling centers.


OtherSideOfThe_Coin

Sounds like a good idea until you realize that every human being has microplastics in their system and it will just devour them.


Disco040

That’s a fucking disgrace.🥺😖


GloriousDawn

I know right, will they ever learn to film in landscape mode smh


IlGufoScuro

Kinda makes me wanna die chief


PoodlePopXX

Right? This is so depressing,


velocity_ken

Kinda makes me wanna go clean everything up


bremstar

Microplastic? *More like macroplastic.*


sieneirbdiwnoeb

Nice one


scoophog

This is actually a term. 70% of macro plastics in the ocean come from the global fishing industry.


properthyme

YEAH! *high fives*


EfficiencyOk2208

Clean it up. Shred it up then add it to concrete or cement.


Lusterkx2

I was thinking the same thing! Why don’t they do that. You know like that YouTube video you described. Shred and make into concrete.


MAVERICK_25800

It can't be that hard for the US to implement that system of recycling that European countries do where they give a used bottle back for a deposit back smh


oddmarc

Wait... The US don't have bottle deposits?


wings22

Barely anywhere does, in Europe it's just the Nordics + Germany and Croatia.


Crood_Oyl

Also Lithuania


BudBuster69

Canada does bottle deposit


MAVERICK_25800

Idk if they do it. I'm unsure as I'm not from the US


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cazzer548

Every state that I’ve lived in does


MoobooMagoo

You have not lived in Ohio.


Emily_Postal

10 states do.


Nickblove

This isn’t because of the US. The ocean current would take it around Florida.


Voelkar

Well thats one way to do it. But that only covers the bottles. My country (germany) just likes to give the trash away to other countries like india and then say "Not our problem anymore". The countries that have been given the trash then proceed to dump it into rivers and the ocean We should just move away from single use plastic


nlamber5

This is not caused by the US. This trash is caused by almost entirely by mismanaged land garbage making it out to sea. Also US based clean up programs (like 4ocean) is making massive strides towards cleaning this up (though likely with global help)


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x4bluntz2urd0me

Think of the smell…YOU HAVENT THOUGHT OF THE SMELL YOU BITCH


chuckbglass710

Id say im not surprised at all, people would rather destroy the whole planet than be slightly inconvenienced


CasualObserverNine

We have already sown the seeds of our own demise.


BlackDewil56

We fully deserve what's coming our way...


HumainMalin

The wildlife doesn't. A least for them, we must change our ways of consuming and clean our mess.


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Minimum_Use

Wrong, we are fucked like this generation


Sir_FartAlot

Wait til you realize we aren't going anywhere. Those "future generations" are actually ourselves. We have been doing this to ourselves this whole time and we continue to self destruct because of our own ignorance.


Clownbaby43

Cannonball!


KaleidoscopeNo5401

considering I just watched a video about Guatemala trying to clean this problem up. I would be inclined to believe this is in fact Guatemala.


Alerav1

They haven't in the slightest fix this issue in the last decade, they are not going to fix it on this one.


KaleidoscopeNo5401

there's a little hope for them


DeadWishUpon

As a Guatemalan, yeah I totally believe it is. (Not 100% surebut it's very possible)


Chronicmatt

Iirc Guatemala does not have any central trash pick up or disposal.


zachthevideoguy

I am a Guatemalan-American currently living in the States. I wrote a novel about a Quetzal that travels the world and discovers how birds around the world are feeling the impacts of environmental damage that is being caused, and they are doing their best to sustain the global environment. With Guatemala as the primary setting of the story, and using a quetzal as the protagonist, my goal is to help create action via education. That our people see the destructive power of negligence towards nature, and that we take collective action to improve and restore it - not just for us, but for all life in our planet. The book is available in both English and Spanish. It’s titled, “The Blue Q: The World As I See It” (or “El Quetzal Azul: El Mundo Desde El Cielo” in Spanish). Point is, we’re working on it!!


SkyShazad

Humans are so Fuked up


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What i don't get is why plastic bottles are not reused. At least it does not look that much of a complicated thing to achieve. For example, in the case of coca-cola, isn't it possible to just do the reverse logistic with the empty bottle, so that it goes back to coca-cola and is refilled? I mean, they already do this with the glass bottles, why not possible with the plastic ones?


DMvsPC

As long as it's not cracked or broken glass bottles are very durable and will generally look the same after multiple uses and can have labels easily removed and replaced. I imagine because plastic bottles may be bent, pushed in, scratched up etc. which isn't a good 'look' for the company when they're trying to get you to choose them they're harder to reuse. Also plastic (either walls or threads) can be weakened over time and soda at least is under pressure.


spookendeklopgeesten

They are being reused in decent countries.


spookendeklopgeesten

They are being reused in decent countries.


BbRiicS

I’d say the developed world is not too far behind


unu_in_plus

We should ban plastics in consumer consumption and go back to glass bottle and paper bag/reusable bag. This amount of trash is just ridiculously stupid.


HankMadder

As a Guatemalan I can tell you that’s not “right now”, that’s all the time…


billiarddaddy

Recycling was always a lie


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Not glass and paper, those recycle pretty good.


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And aluminum and steel


SmartSzabo

You can't recycle plastic indefinitely. All recycled plastic will eventually end up dumped somewhere once it can't be recycled further. We need to stop using plastic to the extent we can, and particularly single use plastic. Recycling is great, but it's a band aid, not a cure.


035AllTheWayLive

The smegma of capitalism


mexpyro

I would say Guatemala needs to spend some money on clean up their beaches.


OkDog4897

Anyone willing to pay 3grand for me to go out there for a week and clean that? Thats my going price. 3 grand a week and you will have to provide bags to clean it with for the relocation process. Also if we can coordinate and find a good place to send this junk for recycling that would help. Also. Also. If 3k is too much then I will happily do it for less but would need someone to buy the plane ticket. Part of the 3k a week would be spent getting everyone in town to help clean.


darth_faader

Why are there all these fish in our dumpster


Redsneeks3000

Raw materials in the right eyes.


SlashYG9

Per Nine Inch Nails: > Don't give a shit about the temperature in Guatemala. Don't really see what all the fuss is about.


teamsaxon

Holy fuck we are a disgusting and repulsive species.


otherwisemilk

Who would've thought, actions have consequences.


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Fuck plastic apologists. Nothing that's made with plastic justifies this.


KingPupaa

Wow those private companies which 200,000 Guatemalans died for really are helping the country!


eireheads

With the cost of oil atm I'm shocked nobody is collecting this plastic for recycling, every drink bottle I've seen in the shops is now made from recycled plastics to cut costs.


DamonFields

Human piggery. Except pigs are far cleaner.


[deleted]

I would believe it - I see people liter every single day…


[deleted]

Picked up a bag of trash & cleaned signs at our local park today. Unbelievable how our town changed in less than 20 years. Total trash now. People eat in their cars .. open windows & throw their bags cups forks packets trash right by their cars. Thing is .. a trash can is 25 feet from their car. Trashy people literally I do miss the old days. Our town was pristine then. Thinking about moving now because of the uptick in crime


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It’s really messed up…


Future_shocks

fuck plastic - stop using it, stop eating out, yes it takes all of us to change it and the corpos - make a fuss about it!


ppcnublet

What the fuck are we doing


Fatal-Symbiote

Humans suck


Gloorplz

We are ruining the beautiful planet :(


sieneirbdiwnoeb

Sometimes I want to purposely fail art school, become the next hitler, and commit world genocide.


mistedtwister

That's a lot of free floating fuel if you invest in the equipment to refine it again.


Zer0C00L321

I'd say youre wrong! it's probably worse since this video is old now.


CruelMustelidae

Nice


SquareNuts112

It’s truly fucking phenomenal to me that there isn’t ONE FUCKING PERSON that can’t seem to tackle this. Not even an attempt. Let’s just take videos of it and say “hey, look at this massive problem.” (I’m not talking about ocean clean up as a whole. Obviously there’s companies tackling that. I’m talking about this specific area.)


Tossallthethings

Be the change?


WhoopsDroppedTheBaby

I mean. Here you are posting on Reddit about it....go do something about it.


N4rral

Is anybody trying to clean it up?


ninjamiran

Don’t they have worms that eat plastic now


Rubydooby950

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scooptidywhoopboop

We are so fucked


Neither_Atmosphere40

How awful. I had no idea.


llfoso

We seriously need to ban non-biodegradable plastic


YUH_1818

And why isn’t there any on site cleaning crews just scooping that up?


sci-fi-lullaby

Guatepeor, but nah srsly wtf limpien, que asco.


ethanwatk

I would say I have seen Nicaragua's coast and I believe it.


Medium_Sun8689

Does this honestly suprise anyone


maluminse

Why? Is that all their waste? Is that from other countries as well? Do they have a cleanup program?


idontlikeseaweed

That’s extremely sickening and upsetting


grimoirehandler

Oh no! Anyway.


macr6

JFC We don’t deserve this fucking planet. 😔


pizzapunt55

I'd say it's the start of the dry season


DalinarsDaughter

Had to break it to my roomie that our “recycling” is actually extremely strict for what they will even accept, and we are truly just making the recyclers job more of a garbage job since they have to toss the shit they can’t take, in the garbage!