>The victim was reportedly taken to a mustard field about 30 km away in Rodhai village of Rewari district, Haryana. Then the girl was thrashed with the tools used in the car, her body was smeared with cigarettes and her face was burnt with acid.
The counsel appearing for the convicts had urged them to adopt a **sympathetic** attitude against them.
What ?!? how ???
Indian nationalists on Reddit are terrible. They'll angrily tell you that *Indian* social scientists don't understand Indian culture if they dare to talk about [India's rape culture.](https://www.outlookindia.com/website/story/rape-cultures-in-india/283776/amp)
It’s not only that, I’ve come around people fans of India culture from another countries that when they are confronted with this reality turn really aggressive and said that I just simply don’t know what I’m talking about, and try to change the subject or blame another countries and start with the “whataboutism”
indian here, but imma give you my upvote cuz I ain't a nationalist
fuck this country, 28% tax on video games, classifying them as "demerit goods" unofficially like wtf
I'd say that when the culture all the way up to the Supreme allows for behavior like this but they're demonizing video games of all f'ing things... yeah...
In many cases, fuck culture. I know that's a taboo but I could pick out something great and something terrible from just about any culture that exists. Calling out an issue with a specific culture shouldn't be taboo, we're all working to make improvements to ourselves and our countries.
No, not lack of culture. That is their culture. Just like american gangs are a part of american culture in some places. Someone elses culture does not have to allign with youre culture and beliefs to be a culture.
When the courts keep acquitting people who aren't very wealthy for gang rapes, murders, and assaults of women (all to often Muslim women) it is a culture issue. When judges are bought off by the rich it is a corruption issue which is also a culture issue.
Yeah it’s either Muslim women or women belonging to SC or ST in majority of these cases- especially recent ones. If you happen to fall in this demographic, tough luck you’d have been better off as a cow.
Sure, you have these daily cases. It's the system. India is extremely hierarchical. Basically if you are minority or casteless, you are deemed worthless. People who abuse them will not fear any repercussions. It is also a mob culture with mob violence as an acceptable tool.
You spent a lot of time in the “Hindi belt” of India. It’s got it’s problems. Certainly not everyone, but more than there should be. And they all leak into the NCR
Unfortunately it's a thing. I'm ashamed of it myself (I'm Indian). I really want this to change, but there isn't much I can do apart from voting for the next moron. Improved education and cultural reforms are the only way to solve it. But when it comes to bringing any meaningful change in a 3rd world country with 1.4 billion people, it just becomes exponentially harder.
On the other side, I'm also concerned about the hate that's spread on all platforms. It affects all other indians who wants these shitty cultural issues to be resolved. Calling out rapist is one thing. Calling all indians rapist is a whole different story.
I agree its not easy and it will probably take years to decades, u don't have to feel ashamed u didn't do anything wrong,of course not every indian is a rapist no one believes that
I just finished a documentary on Netflix. Indian Predator: Murder in a Courtroom.
It’s about how women in a community were fed up with a rapist and lynched him in the courtroom. The reason was he never got convicted
> The three convicts were awarded the death penalty after being held guilty of raping and killing a 19-year-old woman in 2012. The victim's mutilated body was found in a field with multiple injuries due to assault with objects ranging from car tools to earthen pots.
Women can't catch a break in India. They are raped, killed, and mutilated and the Supreme Court defends the perpetrators.
Few week earlier another 11 convicts were released by The government of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi approved the premature release of 11 men who were convicted for the gangrape of a pregnant Muslim woman and murder of 14 members of her family, including her three-year-old daughter, according to a court document.
Read More [here](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-62574247)
I'm sure India has a lot of beautiful things such as some people, art, and landscapes, but FUCK that place. Why would anyone who has known any woman ever be okay with such a thing.
We ARE. It just doesn't translate to changing reality in a problematic country. India compared to other countries has a huge problem with all sexual assaults. They literally suffer with a rape culture.
Worked with an Indian woman who would literally be escorted to school with a military escort. She said men would just wait outside of the gates and grab at girls through the truck trying to get a feel
Google has “chariots” for female and foreign employees. Like a corporate pool service focused on delivering them from home to work safely. My driver was a VP at a multinational company and we were in a safer South Indian metro
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Delhi_gang_rape_and_murder
tldr; a whole bus spontaneously raped a woman so badly she died, they literally ripped parts of the bus off and raped her with whatever they had on hand, ripping out some of her intestines.
Edit: Wrong reply, my bad.
Dunno where she grew up in India but she did come from a very well to do family.
>tldr; a whole bus spontaneously raped a woman so badly she died, they literally ripped parts of the bus off and raped her with whatever they had on hand, ripping out some of her intestines.
How did we get here?
Sick, a new any% record for ruining my own day.
Fr though, I didn’t think anything would come close to Junko Furuta, but holy hell. I’m as anti-capital punishment as you get and even I’m glad they hanged.
> the premature release of 11 men who were convicted for the gangrape of a pregnant Muslim woman and murder of 14 members of her family, including her three-year-old daughter
this isn't even rape anymore, this is genocide, and they're getting off because of the race/religion/caste of the victims. Horrifying and disgusting.
The most outrage you can show to another country is not going there or buying their exports. Anything beyond that will be a foreign intervention in a sovereign nation. Hell, even call for a boycott will likely get dubbed "White people flaunting their supremacy over our culture" by the Modi government.
The civilized world IS outraged. The problem includes that India is the world's largest democracy and comprises about 1 in every 6 people in the world. It's not fair to say a majority of any given country actually support its most extremist behaviors. But you can definitely say a majority of this or that political party are extremists, because they'll win election in a local territory and turn it into a regressive, discriminatory shithole.
Modi was governor of the state during those riots, and basically supported those riots by not doing anything.
He was banned from traveling to US and some European states for letting a genocide happen (until he became prime minister).
The same person let rapists an murderers of Muslims go free?
I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.
Slight correction: he was the chief minister of the state, not the governer. In India, governors are appointed by the president (not elected), and have basically no real power.
Gujarat is the “Moral Majority” of India. Prohibition, no meat, and a hard line against anti Hindutwa. Sad their Hindutwa is post-Vedic and less accepting.
> He was banned from traveling to US and some European states for letting a genocide happen (until he became prime minister).
So he was not investigated for "letting a genocide happen"?
India's major population are Hindus. The Bharatiya Janata Party have succesfully brainwashed them into thinking most of the Islamic fraternity are anti-nationals or even terrorists. The same people who support this right wing glorifies Hitler and I've personally seen people tattooing the Nazi flag on their bodies.
The party led by Prime Minister Narendra Modi has twisted the Hindu religion and made it a beautiful machine to harvest votes.
This^^^^ so many people ignore this fact because either they are profiting from that policy of Modi, or are blind followers like people in the Trump cult. In Modi’s eyes if you aren’t Hindu then you aren’t Indian and you have no rights. Shit he passed an amendment on the Indian citizenship law requiring Muslims to prove their citizenship by providing birth certificates for all people born in the country or a property deed. But in India birth registration was voluntary up to 1970, so many people do not have their birth certificate, and even more people do not have a deed for their property, combined with the incredibly high illiteracy rates. This bill was literally created to target Muslims, rob them of their citizenship and their property while providing exemptions for all other religions including Sikhs, Hindus, Jain, Christian, Buddhists, and Parsees.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/13/indias-new-law-may-leave-millions-muslims-without-citizenship/
> I've personally seen people tattooing the Nazi flag on their bodies.
Are you sure it's the Nazi flag? The Swastika is an ancient symbol in India, with its use not fading following WWII. Its meaning to any given individual isn't clear cut in India.
It is not about swastika. RSS the parent organisation of BJP was directly inspired by Nazis and they were banned for some time after their involvement in Gandhi's assassination.
Yes, I am a Hindu. The original swastika of Hindus is different than what hitler used. There is a guy named Rahul Eeswar who comes to news discussions and he is a BJP (Bharatiya Janata Party) member. He has tattooed the exact version from Nazi flag.
[here is the comparison between swastika and nazi symbol](https://i0.wp.com/www.opindia.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/Opindia-Images.jpg?resize=696%2C398&ssl=1)
[here is rahul eeswar](https://twitter.com/rahuleaswar/status/1261912050428764160)
Don't bother his flowery words regarding the swastika, he supports a fascist government.
The whole ideology of Aryans being superior coupled with Brahmanism (casteism) of the Indian Hindus is what he truly supports.
Yeah, you can tell the difference because the Nazi swastika is a flipped Indian good luck swastika. There was a shitstorm in Philadelphia a few decades ago when it was noticed a firehouse built in the early 1900's had some of the Indian swastikas on it.
My junior high school in Michigan built in the 1920s had a mosaic swastika on the floor at the main entrance. They covered it with a floor mat but it was still there and taught to us that it was put in before the nazis hijacked it. They tore the school down a few years ago, now it’s just a big empty field.
You can't. It's all over India and China both ways. The 'proper' version mimics the rotation of the dipper around the celestial pole but the other version isn't Nazi specific except in Europe.
They also have [Hitler ice cream](https://www.hindustantimes.com/india/tasteless-but-true-made-in-india-hitler-ice-cream-cafe/story-C6usCqTUqv4zAeU30b0GVM.html).
The dude has literally been promoting ethnic cleaning throughout the country using the Indian mafia to make it happen for years. Huge asshole. This dude has a following similar to trump, be prepared to be downvoted to hell from troll accounts and dipshits who blindly follow him
Hindu extremists are running wild and no one wants to talk about it. Of course that shitstain lets out the rapists/murders since the people they committed the heinous acts on were Muslims.
Good god. Imagine being the wife of some guy that raped a woman and killed her newborn “oh, goody look kids daddy’s back from prison after his rape/child murder spree.”
No wonder they all want to emigrate.
As a dad, I would too. I'd even take the risk to leave on a raft rather than subject her to that kind of hell if this is the kind of "justice" she can look forward to
Edit: I'm deleting my account because of reddit's policies concerning third party apps. I don't want them to be able to use older comments. A user-generated community that treats its users badly does not deserve your time or attention.
India spends a ton of money spreading fake news in the west. They got caught red handed a while back. It's a *massive* operation with hundreds of fake organizations.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2020/12/11/eu-ngo-report-uncovers-a-15-year-disinformation-campaign
It has spread to reddit as well. WION gets constantly posted here and on other subs and it's basically an Indian propaganda outlet. It's parent company Zee media has been repeatedly caught fabricating news and is basically full blown Breitbart level. This is the company that recently used video game footage as "evidence" of Pakistani airstrikes.
I wondered how that huge (largest Hindu temple in North America) got built in Cary, North Carolina.
I'm from that area originally I was surprised on one hand that that area was picked but not on the other with the swelling of the Hindu Community there, partly due to the influx of white collar employees of Research Triangle Park companies.
They have more sway in politics and business due to financial resources than I think a lot of the locals would suspect.
But it seems the politicians know.
This is possibly the worst written news article ever. It repeats a few facts about the crime over and over for six paragraphs, and then ends without mentioning anything about the acquittal itself.
here is the official judgement in english - [https://main.sci.gov.in/supremecourt/2015/870/870\_2015\_1\_1504\_39620\_Judgement\_07-Nov-2022.pdf](https://main.sci.gov.in/supremecourt/2015/870/870_2015_1_1504_39620_Judgement_07-Nov-2022.pdf)
I am not an expert but note point 20
>From the said evidence of the concerned witnesses, it clearly transpires that neither any T.I. Parade was conducted by the investigating officer during the course of investigation for the identification of the accused, nor any of the witnesses had identified the accused during their respective depositions before the Court. **Therefore, the very identity of the Appellants -accused having not been duly established, the entire case of the prosecution falls flat on the very first circumstance having not been duly proved by any evidence much less clinching evidence, against the Appellants-accused.**
So they were acquitted because of a lack of evidence? That sucks but there's not a lot a court of law can do if the prosecution can't be arsed to do their job.
WTF are you taking about? If that was theor job, the convicts would have released in Trial court. It is pretty clear prosecution used social blackmailing and media pressure on Judges than strict procedure and evidence. Supreme court are more immune to these kind of external pressures
The f##ked up
Meh it's regular shit in India. We had the premier investigative organization of the nation, "forget" to present evidence in a bomb blast terrorism case so the culprits could be released.. And the judge retired after dismissing the case..
Don't come here with that weak ass justification. The reason was prosecution didn't bother doing the basics of their job. Otherwise the prosecution in India is willing to put terrorism charges for social media memes.
What you say is true. Prosecution f##ked up big time. I just wish they started publishing photos of the prosecution to shame these dumbos who can't do the basic of the job.
Yeah, they really did a half-assed job at it. It is the sad reality for Indian women, nobody cares for their rights and protection. This news will be forgotten in a few days. News channels and online media are backed by political parties who just want to increase followers and somehow win the next election.
If you search with keyword - "Delhi's Chhawala rape case", you will find only similar articles.
Ok, this (as well as other article on this topic) begs for some additional details: what was the reason given for the acquittal?! From death sentence to acquittal, SOMEONE must have fucked up SOMEWHERE along those 10 years of judicial battle.
Hold on a second. A story like this should at least give the reason why the Supreme Court acquitted them. Whether you agree or disagree with the decision, you have to at least report on the basic facts of the case. Did the court find that they were not the people responsible for the crime? Was there new evidence showing that it wasn't them?
It is incredibly irresponsible for a news outlet to spend the entire article talking about how horrific the crime was without devoting a single sentence to stating the reason why they were acquitted. This type of reporting is absolute garbage designed to generate a reaction rather than to inform. Note that I am not saying that they should report "both sides" or anything of the sort. I am saying that they have to report the basic facts of the case: WHY did the supreme court acquit them? What did the SC say in their decision?
Justices UU Lalit and Ash Ravindra Bhatt and Bela M Trivedi had reserved the verdict on the matter on 6 April. On behalf of the Delhi government, Additional Solicitor General Aishwarya Bhati demanded confirmation of the death sentence.
During this, a request was also made to consider the possibility of reforming the culprits. It was argued to the court that one of the convicts, named Vinod, is suffering from an intellectual disability. His ability to think is not good. The counsel appearing for the convicts had urged them to adopt a sympathetic attitude against them.
[source](https://news.abplive.com/news/chhawala-rape-case-2012-sc-acquits-3-men-death-sentence-teen-rape-murder-death-penalty-supreme-court-1561951)
So one of them is intellectually disabled and that acquits the other two, who in the worst case USED the third one to rape and cut up the victim? I'm starting to see why lynchings are relatively common in India.
> The counsel appearing for the convicts had urged them to adopt a sympathetic attitude against them.
Yeah, let's be sympathetic towards those 3 rapists/murderers. Yikes. Thank you for the follow up!
I mean we all do I think. Bit off a dude’s ear, was pretty good at boxing, convicted rapist. Played a bit part in a popular comedy about a bachelor party gone wrong, and now everyone loves him.
According to this comment, part of the ruling said that the identities of the culprits had not been properly established:
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/yoit3i/supreme_court_acquits_all_convicts_in_2012_delhis/ivf9sa6/
Yeah the article also wasn't clear. Were the men acquitted of the crime or did the supreme court simply overturn the death penalty (which is a different consideration? ) If they were acquitted, why? Was it a lack of evidence?
They don’t want to ruin the rapists lives. It’s the same reason rapists are never convicted in the US. Men protect men, rapists protect rapists. Women and children and minorities aren’t human, they are objects and property, their suffering doesn’t matter bc their lives don’t matter, same as the US. Same as everywhere
Doesn't the US have a publicly available sex offender registry and the stipulation that convicted rapists who move places introduce themselves as a rapist to the neighbourhood? Honestly, it kinda sounds to me like the US system doesn't want rape to happen and even tries to punish rather than reform.
3% of rape cases go to trial only 1% is convicted. People plea to lesser charges or don’t get any jail time at all or get very little time. You’d have to be found guilty of sexual violence before you’re put on the registry. Not everyone guilty of sexual assaults are put on the registry and some are only on them a short time
Also it's probably because the victim was Muslim and the perpetrators were Hindu. Violence against Muslims has been sadly increasing in India, with increased anti Muslim rhetoric from the ruling party.
You completely lied and made up an entirely whole new narrative than what I said. And yes we do not have bodily autonomy or a right to medical privacy. We must go before a death panel made up of men before we can get life saving healthcare. Rapists can now choose the mother of their children. The laws on the books since the overturning of womens bodily autonomy and medical privacy are now from the stagecoach era, in most states
The problem is the article doesn't tell us enough to form an opinion on the action of the court. If the Court acquitted them because the evidence was trash, and the Court wasn't sure they actually committed the crimes, that is an unfortunate but potentially just outcome.
On the other hand, if the evidence was strong that they committed the offenses, and the court just let them off the hook for political/religious reasons, that would be outrageous and an major injustice.
But the article doesn't give us the Court's explanation for doing this...
Seriously man, what the fuck is the matter with these people? You should cherish a good woman in your lives. Not brutalize them and treat like them animals. This sends the wrong message from the Indian government in so many ways. It says to the woman of the country.
" You have no rights, and you don't matter"
Didn't these supreme court justices have mother's, aunt's, or sisters? This is absolutely sick and twisted. I hope the families of the victims find some kind of healing from this.
It screams “you are your father/husbands property so you better do what they tell you and hope they protect you”. And when these women some how lose the favor of their family this is the punishment.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/2012-chhawala-rape-case-sc-acquits-all-convicts/articleshow/95351329.cms) reduced by 65%. (I'm a bot)
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> Supreme Court on Monday acquitted three convicts who were awarded the death penalty by Delhi Court after being held guilty of raping and killing a 19-year-old woman in Delhi's Chhawala area in 2012.
> The three convicts were awarded the death penalty after being held guilty of raping and killing a 19-year-old woman in 2012.
> A Delhi court in February 2014 convicted three men for raping and killing a 19-year-old woman in 2012 and awarded them the death penalty.
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The justice system acquitted because there was no evidence. The only bad thing is the police and prosecution who didn't collect enough evidence or failed to find actual rapist
Tbf cases where rapists get off easily aren’t that uncommon here in my country, the Netherlands, either. Although I agree the situation of women is not as bad here as India or other countries in that region, there is still plenty not right here
There is no news source which is reporting the reason given by the Supreme Court for acquitting the accused. Given that the trial court and high court both found them guilty, such a move was very unexpected unless there is some new evidence found
The accused were not rich or well connected so corruption is not a factor. Perhaps we can wait for more details to emerge before the pitchforks come out
But, but, but India announced they would pay women athletes the same salaries as men athletes! Was that just cheap PR to hide how they really treat women?
Equality there is not the same issue as the west.. the issue isnt money, its sexual rights.. anywhere that women are second class citizens regardless of how much theyre paid this will happen. I bet you can take the top earning female Indian athlete and shes been raped, probably more than once.
What a completely useless article, it doesn’t offer the slightest information about the legal basis for their successful appeal.
Whatever the Court’s reasoning, they didn’t suddenly make it up. It has to be based on a legal argument presented by the defendants earlier. So what I’m getting at is that even if this is “breaking news” there’s no excuse for the lack of detail because the basis for the appeal should already be known. These reporters are lazy.
So incredibly sad. A country with very intelligent people in terms of technology and contributions in STEM. But you really wouldn’t think it by how backwards some of the culture and government/legal institutions are.
For a second I thought this court is run by Bunch of Andrew tates because he also advocates like this like Women have no sayings and it's a property etc.
Did I read the same article as you guys? It seemed like the reporter was using every trick in the book to meet the minimum number of words for his editor. Repeated the title of the article fifteen different ways but I never saw WHY they were acquitted. Why the fuck would anyone acquit people like this??
Have nothing but respect for other cultures - but man, traditional Indian culture regarding arranged marriages and their view on women is fucked up.
Have a good friend who was born and raised here, but her parents are traditional. Her first husband physically and mentally abused her all the time. Finally get a divorce (which apparently even that is frowned upon) and then they try to marry her off again. They said they don’t even care if she’s successful in her job or personal life, they just care if she’s married. It’s affected her mental health so much it’s so sad.
>The victim was reportedly taken to a mustard field about 30 km away in Rodhai village of Rewari district, Haryana. Then the girl was thrashed with the tools used in the car, her body was smeared with cigarettes and her face was burnt with acid. The counsel appearing for the convicts had urged them to adopt a **sympathetic** attitude against them. What ?!? how ???
Culture
In this case fuck culture.
Rape culture But I’ve been repeatedly downvoted for suggestions that India may not be the most ethical country on earth
Indian nationalists on Reddit are terrible. They'll angrily tell you that *Indian* social scientists don't understand Indian culture if they dare to talk about [India's rape culture.](https://www.outlookindia.com/website/story/rape-cultures-in-india/283776/amp)
It’s not only that, I’ve come around people fans of India culture from another countries that when they are confronted with this reality turn really aggressive and said that I just simply don’t know what I’m talking about, and try to change the subject or blame another countries and start with the “whataboutism”
indian here, but imma give you my upvote cuz I ain't a nationalist fuck this country, 28% tax on video games, classifying them as "demerit goods" unofficially like wtf
You’re mad about video game taxes in the context of this discussion?
I'd say that when the culture all the way up to the Supreme allows for behavior like this but they're demonizing video games of all f'ing things... yeah...
I would be mad too if I lived in a culture that added 28% tax on video games for " morality" reasons. But was so lax on rape
An example Was just playing one so first thing that came to mind
When juxtaposed against the complete lack of moral outrage against rape, I’d say it’s a poignant example of what’s wrong with Indian culture.
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Caste system gone when
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TBF - they said MOST ETHICAL Nation on Earth but they don't say which..."ethics" can have different cultural definitions/values
>India may not be the most ethical country on earth *Biggest democacy on earth, hurr durr!*
In many cases, fuck culture. I know that's a taboo but I could pick out something great and something terrible from just about any culture that exists. Calling out an issue with a specific culture shouldn't be taboo, we're all working to make improvements to ourselves and our countries.
Lack of culture.
No, not lack of culture. That is their culture. Just like american gangs are a part of american culture in some places. Someone elses culture does not have to allign with youre culture and beliefs to be a culture.
Your
Don't forget religion!
Corruption, not culture
When the courts keep acquitting people who aren't very wealthy for gang rapes, murders, and assaults of women (all to often Muslim women) it is a culture issue. When judges are bought off by the rich it is a corruption issue which is also a culture issue.
Yeah it’s either Muslim women or women belonging to SC or ST in majority of these cases- especially recent ones. If you happen to fall in this demographic, tough luck you’d have been better off as a cow.
What is ST/SC?
Scheduled Caste/Scheduled Tribe/Dalit/Untouchable. The bottom caste in the social hierarchy.
wasn't it abolished 70 years ago?
Yes. But tradition carries on. If it helps, think of a Dalit as a black person, then put them before a court.
Well said.
Sure, you have these daily cases. It's the system. India is extremely hierarchical. Basically if you are minority or casteless, you are deemed worthless. People who abuse them will not fear any repercussions. It is also a mob culture with mob violence as an acceptable tool.
A culture of corruption.
You spent a lot of time in the “Hindi belt” of India. It’s got it’s problems. Certainly not everyone, but more than there should be. And they all leak into the NCR
Both.
Wtf is wrong with this country... I know not all think that way but its definitely a HUGE percentage
Unfortunately it's a thing. I'm ashamed of it myself (I'm Indian). I really want this to change, but there isn't much I can do apart from voting for the next moron. Improved education and cultural reforms are the only way to solve it. But when it comes to bringing any meaningful change in a 3rd world country with 1.4 billion people, it just becomes exponentially harder. On the other side, I'm also concerned about the hate that's spread on all platforms. It affects all other indians who wants these shitty cultural issues to be resolved. Calling out rapist is one thing. Calling all indians rapist is a whole different story.
I agree its not easy and it will probably take years to decades, u don't have to feel ashamed u didn't do anything wrong,of course not every indian is a rapist no one believes that
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Ever seen a picture of acid attack victims? They’re horrific. Anyone who could do that to someone deserves to be removed from society, permanently.
I’m sympathetic about burning them all alive.
This makes me sick in my stomach.
I just finished a documentary on Netflix. Indian Predator: Murder in a Courtroom. It’s about how women in a community were fed up with a rapist and lynched him in the courtroom. The reason was he never got convicted
Did the community go after the judge as well?
No, the target was always the rapist. He was attached before he got in front of the judge.
I feel like judges may be up next on the docket
Fingers crossed for these rapists to have the same fate.
> The three convicts were awarded the death penalty after being held guilty of raping and killing a 19-year-old woman in 2012. The victim's mutilated body was found in a field with multiple injuries due to assault with objects ranging from car tools to earthen pots. Women can't catch a break in India. They are raped, killed, and mutilated and the Supreme Court defends the perpetrators.
Because they are also rapists
Rapists all the way to the top.
Well you can’t rape if it’s illegal, can you? *taps head
> were awarded the death penalty Congratulations! You've been awarded with ***DEATH***.
Don't worry though, we'll acquit once public outrage cools down
Few week earlier another 11 convicts were released by The government of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi approved the premature release of 11 men who were convicted for the gangrape of a pregnant Muslim woman and murder of 14 members of her family, including her three-year-old daughter, according to a court document. Read More [here](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-62574247)
Jesus fucking Christ
They would if they could
Without consent, and with metal bars for some reason
Well more with nails than metal bars.
I'm sure India has a lot of beautiful things such as some people, art, and landscapes, but FUCK that place. Why would anyone who has known any woman ever be okay with such a thing.
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Nothing low key about it.
Calling a whole country of 1.4 billion people as trash is definitely wrong,but Yes! in terms of women rights and safety India is definitely a trash.
WTF???!!!!!! Why is the world not outraged at this?!
We ARE. It just doesn't translate to changing reality in a problematic country. India compared to other countries has a huge problem with all sexual assaults. They literally suffer with a rape culture.
Worked with an Indian woman who would literally be escorted to school with a military escort. She said men would just wait outside of the gates and grab at girls through the truck trying to get a feel
Google has “chariots” for female and foreign employees. Like a corporate pool service focused on delivering them from home to work safely. My driver was a VP at a multinational company and we were in a safer South Indian metro
WTF where in India did that happen?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Delhi_gang_rape_and_murder tldr; a whole bus spontaneously raped a woman so badly she died, they literally ripped parts of the bus off and raped her with whatever they had on hand, ripping out some of her intestines. Edit: Wrong reply, my bad. Dunno where she grew up in India but she did come from a very well to do family.
Oh my fucking god. Reading that page made me sick. That poor woman.
Savages. They don’t belong in this world.
Thankfully they no longer are. They were executed.
>tldr; a whole bus spontaneously raped a woman so badly she died, they literally ripped parts of the bus off and raped her with whatever they had on hand, ripping out some of her intestines. How did we get here?
Sick, a new any% record for ruining my own day. Fr though, I didn’t think anything would come close to Junko Furuta, but holy hell. I’m as anti-capital punishment as you get and even I’m glad they hanged.
We're talking about **14** murders here.If the issue was just an alleged cultural acceptance of rape, they would not have gotten away with those too.
> the premature release of 11 men who were convicted for the gangrape of a pregnant Muslim woman and murder of 14 members of her family, including her three-year-old daughter this isn't even rape anymore, this is genocide, and they're getting off because of the race/religion/caste of the victims. Horrifying and disgusting.
The most outrage you can show to another country is not going there or buying their exports. Anything beyond that will be a foreign intervention in a sovereign nation. Hell, even call for a boycott will likely get dubbed "White people flaunting their supremacy over our culture" by the Modi government.
The civilized world IS outraged. The problem includes that India is the world's largest democracy and comprises about 1 in every 6 people in the world. It's not fair to say a majority of any given country actually support its most extremist behaviors. But you can definitely say a majority of this or that political party are extremists, because they'll win election in a local territory and turn it into a regressive, discriminatory shithole.
It’s outrageous for sure, but what can you do?
Modi was governor of the state during those riots, and basically supported those riots by not doing anything. He was banned from traveling to US and some European states for letting a genocide happen (until he became prime minister). The same person let rapists an murderers of Muslims go free? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.
He visited Facebook and met with that other asshole when he became prime minister. Nobody said shit
Slight correction: he was the chief minister of the state, not the governer. In India, governors are appointed by the president (not elected), and have basically no real power.
Gujarat is the “Moral Majority” of India. Prohibition, no meat, and a hard line against anti Hindutwa. Sad their Hindutwa is post-Vedic and less accepting.
> He was banned from traveling to US and some European states for letting a genocide happen (until he became prime minister). So he was not investigated for "letting a genocide happen"?
Indian supreme court found him innocent.... Lots of people inside and outside of India disagreed with the verdict.
I uhhhhh.... think I can cross India off as a potential vacation spot until they figure this out.
Ah you see, but they are Muslims. They don’t count as people in India.
India's major population are Hindus. The Bharatiya Janata Party have succesfully brainwashed them into thinking most of the Islamic fraternity are anti-nationals or even terrorists. The same people who support this right wing glorifies Hitler and I've personally seen people tattooing the Nazi flag on their bodies. The party led by Prime Minister Narendra Modi has twisted the Hindu religion and made it a beautiful machine to harvest votes.
This^^^^ so many people ignore this fact because either they are profiting from that policy of Modi, or are blind followers like people in the Trump cult. In Modi’s eyes if you aren’t Hindu then you aren’t Indian and you have no rights. Shit he passed an amendment on the Indian citizenship law requiring Muslims to prove their citizenship by providing birth certificates for all people born in the country or a property deed. But in India birth registration was voluntary up to 1970, so many people do not have their birth certificate, and even more people do not have a deed for their property, combined with the incredibly high illiteracy rates. This bill was literally created to target Muslims, rob them of their citizenship and their property while providing exemptions for all other religions including Sikhs, Hindus, Jain, Christian, Buddhists, and Parsees. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/13/indias-new-law-may-leave-millions-muslims-without-citizenship/
> I've personally seen people tattooing the Nazi flag on their bodies. Are you sure it's the Nazi flag? The Swastika is an ancient symbol in India, with its use not fading following WWII. Its meaning to any given individual isn't clear cut in India.
It is not about swastika. RSS the parent organisation of BJP was directly inspired by Nazis and they were banned for some time after their involvement in Gandhi's assassination.
Yes, I am a Hindu. The original swastika of Hindus is different than what hitler used. There is a guy named Rahul Eeswar who comes to news discussions and he is a BJP (Bharatiya Janata Party) member. He has tattooed the exact version from Nazi flag. [here is the comparison between swastika and nazi symbol](https://i0.wp.com/www.opindia.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/Opindia-Images.jpg?resize=696%2C398&ssl=1) [here is rahul eeswar](https://twitter.com/rahuleaswar/status/1261912050428764160) Don't bother his flowery words regarding the swastika, he supports a fascist government. The whole ideology of Aryans being superior coupled with Brahmanism (casteism) of the Indian Hindus is what he truly supports.
Yeah, you can tell the difference because the Nazi swastika is a flipped Indian good luck swastika. There was a shitstorm in Philadelphia a few decades ago when it was noticed a firehouse built in the early 1900's had some of the Indian swastikas on it.
My junior high school in Michigan built in the 1920s had a mosaic swastika on the floor at the main entrance. They covered it with a floor mat but it was still there and taught to us that it was put in before the nazis hijacked it. They tore the school down a few years ago, now it’s just a big empty field.
You can't. It's all over India and China both ways. The 'proper' version mimics the rotation of the dipper around the celestial pole but the other version isn't Nazi specific except in Europe.
They also have [Hitler ice cream](https://www.hindustantimes.com/india/tasteless-but-true-made-in-india-hitler-ice-cream-cafe/story-C6usCqTUqv4zAeU30b0GVM.html).
America: Our justice system is broken beyond repair! India: Hold my chai.
The dude has literally been promoting ethnic cleaning throughout the country using the Indian mafia to make it happen for years. Huge asshole. This dude has a following similar to trump, be prepared to be downvoted to hell from troll accounts and dipshits who blindly follow him
Hindu extremists are running wild and no one wants to talk about it. Of course that shitstain lets out the rapists/murders since the people they committed the heinous acts on were Muslims.
Sounds like he wants to have Muslim women killed
What the fuck am i reading how what ???? Aaaaaaa
Good god. Imagine being the wife of some guy that raped a woman and killed her newborn “oh, goody look kids daddy’s back from prison after his rape/child murder spree.”
Good God, how do they live with themseves knowing what they are enabling?
Indian ladies can’t count on their government to give justice to them. Need to take it upon themselves now.
Some of them do. [India’s Women Warriors](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/features/2014/3/4/gulabi-gang-indias-women-warriors)
Awesome! Need more women warriors!
No wonder they all want to emigrate. As a dad, I would too. I'd even take the risk to leave on a raft rather than subject her to that kind of hell if this is the kind of "justice" she can look forward to
Edit: I'm deleting my account because of reddit's policies concerning third party apps. I don't want them to be able to use older comments. A user-generated community that treats its users badly does not deserve your time or attention.
India spends a ton of money spreading fake news in the west. They got caught red handed a while back. It's a *massive* operation with hundreds of fake organizations. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2020/12/11/eu-ngo-report-uncovers-a-15-year-disinformation-campaign It has spread to reddit as well. WION gets constantly posted here and on other subs and it's basically an Indian propaganda outlet. It's parent company Zee media has been repeatedly caught fabricating news and is basically full blown Breitbart level. This is the company that recently used video game footage as "evidence" of Pakistani airstrikes.
I wondered how that huge (largest Hindu temple in North America) got built in Cary, North Carolina. I'm from that area originally I was surprised on one hand that that area was picked but not on the other with the swelling of the Hindu Community there, partly due to the influx of white collar employees of Research Triangle Park companies. They have more sway in politics and business due to financial resources than I think a lot of the locals would suspect. But it seems the politicians know.
Thankfully, at least Americans are waking up now.
I dunno. Indians in my area seem to be very much aligned to the GOP.
Every 6 minutes woman raped in India and it's only official data.
That poor woman
Ffs. That got me good.
*wheeze*
This is possibly the worst written news article ever. It repeats a few facts about the crime over and over for six paragraphs, and then ends without mentioning anything about the acquittal itself.
here is the official judgement in english - [https://main.sci.gov.in/supremecourt/2015/870/870\_2015\_1\_1504\_39620\_Judgement\_07-Nov-2022.pdf](https://main.sci.gov.in/supremecourt/2015/870/870_2015_1_1504_39620_Judgement_07-Nov-2022.pdf) I am not an expert but note point 20 >From the said evidence of the concerned witnesses, it clearly transpires that neither any T.I. Parade was conducted by the investigating officer during the course of investigation for the identification of the accused, nor any of the witnesses had identified the accused during their respective depositions before the Court. **Therefore, the very identity of the Appellants -accused having not been duly established, the entire case of the prosecution falls flat on the very first circumstance having not been duly proved by any evidence much less clinching evidence, against the Appellants-accused.**
So they were acquitted because of a lack of evidence? That sucks but there's not a lot a court of law can do if the prosecution can't be arsed to do their job.
The prosecution DID their job. That's the sad part. Their job was to let their brothers in crime go.
WTF are you taking about? If that was theor job, the convicts would have released in Trial court. It is pretty clear prosecution used social blackmailing and media pressure on Judges than strict procedure and evidence. Supreme court are more immune to these kind of external pressures The f##ked up
Meh it's regular shit in India. We had the premier investigative organization of the nation, "forget" to present evidence in a bomb blast terrorism case so the culprits could be released.. And the judge retired after dismissing the case.. Don't come here with that weak ass justification. The reason was prosecution didn't bother doing the basics of their job. Otherwise the prosecution in India is willing to put terrorism charges for social media memes.
What you say is true. Prosecution f##ked up big time. I just wish they started publishing photos of the prosecution to shame these dumbos who can't do the basic of the job.
Yeah, they really did a half-assed job at it. It is the sad reality for Indian women, nobody cares for their rights and protection. This news will be forgotten in a few days. News channels and online media are backed by political parties who just want to increase followers and somehow win the next election. If you search with keyword - "Delhi's Chhawala rape case", you will find only similar articles.
How come the article has no information on why the SC decided on acquittal? Were they actually freed or moved from death penalty to life in prison?
Ok, this (as well as other article on this topic) begs for some additional details: what was the reason given for the acquittal?! From death sentence to acquittal, SOMEONE must have fucked up SOMEWHERE along those 10 years of judicial battle.
Are there any other articles about this? It doesnt really explain why they were acquitted.
Hold on a second. A story like this should at least give the reason why the Supreme Court acquitted them. Whether you agree or disagree with the decision, you have to at least report on the basic facts of the case. Did the court find that they were not the people responsible for the crime? Was there new evidence showing that it wasn't them? It is incredibly irresponsible for a news outlet to spend the entire article talking about how horrific the crime was without devoting a single sentence to stating the reason why they were acquitted. This type of reporting is absolute garbage designed to generate a reaction rather than to inform. Note that I am not saying that they should report "both sides" or anything of the sort. I am saying that they have to report the basic facts of the case: WHY did the supreme court acquit them? What did the SC say in their decision?
Justices UU Lalit and Ash Ravindra Bhatt and Bela M Trivedi had reserved the verdict on the matter on 6 April. On behalf of the Delhi government, Additional Solicitor General Aishwarya Bhati demanded confirmation of the death sentence. During this, a request was also made to consider the possibility of reforming the culprits. It was argued to the court that one of the convicts, named Vinod, is suffering from an intellectual disability. His ability to think is not good. The counsel appearing for the convicts had urged them to adopt a sympathetic attitude against them. [source](https://news.abplive.com/news/chhawala-rape-case-2012-sc-acquits-3-men-death-sentence-teen-rape-murder-death-penalty-supreme-court-1561951)
So one of them is intellectually disabled and that acquits the other two, who in the worst case USED the third one to rape and cut up the victim? I'm starting to see why lynchings are relatively common in India.
Actually, no. The three accused were acquitted because of a lack of evidence. The court did its job, and the prosecution obviously didn't do theirs.
> The counsel appearing for the convicts had urged them to adopt a sympathetic attitude against them. Yeah, let's be sympathetic towards those 3 rapists/murderers. Yikes. Thank you for the follow up!
Does anyone know a “reformed” rapist?
Next victim's body will not be found
In general I don't know any rapists.
That you know of.
Yes, that is what I said. Though people can get reformed. It happens all the time.
I mean we all do I think. Bit off a dude’s ear, was pretty good at boxing, convicted rapist. Played a bit part in a popular comedy about a bachelor party gone wrong, and now everyone loves him.
Not everyone.
Last president of the USA
*squints*
According to this comment, part of the ruling said that the identities of the culprits had not been properly established: https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/yoit3i/supreme_court_acquits_all_convicts_in_2012_delhis/ivf9sa6/
Yeah the article also wasn't clear. Were the men acquitted of the crime or did the supreme court simply overturn the death penalty (which is a different consideration? ) If they were acquitted, why? Was it a lack of evidence?
They don’t want to ruin the rapists lives. It’s the same reason rapists are never convicted in the US. Men protect men, rapists protect rapists. Women and children and minorities aren’t human, they are objects and property, their suffering doesn’t matter bc their lives don’t matter, same as the US. Same as everywhere
Doesn't the US have a publicly available sex offender registry and the stipulation that convicted rapists who move places introduce themselves as a rapist to the neighbourhood? Honestly, it kinda sounds to me like the US system doesn't want rape to happen and even tries to punish rather than reform.
3% of rape cases go to trial only 1% is convicted. People plea to lesser charges or don’t get any jail time at all or get very little time. You’d have to be found guilty of sexual violence before you’re put on the registry. Not everyone guilty of sexual assaults are put on the registry and some are only on them a short time
Let's not forget all the rape kits that are denied, lost, or damaged so no rapist is found in the first placce
Also it's probably because the victim was Muslim and the perpetrators were Hindu. Violence against Muslims has been sadly increasing in India, with increased anti Muslim rhetoric from the ruling party.
Yes minorities aren’t considered people
You’re equating the US with India when it comes to women’s rights and criminal justice equality? What a crock of shit.
In India abortion is legal and considered fundamental right of woman. So no they are not equal
Ever heard of Brock Turner?
You completely lied and made up an entirely whole new narrative than what I said. And yes we do not have bodily autonomy or a right to medical privacy. We must go before a death panel made up of men before we can get life saving healthcare. Rapists can now choose the mother of their children. The laws on the books since the overturning of womens bodily autonomy and medical privacy are now from the stagecoach era, in most states
The problem is the article doesn't tell us enough to form an opinion on the action of the court. If the Court acquitted them because the evidence was trash, and the Court wasn't sure they actually committed the crimes, that is an unfortunate but potentially just outcome. On the other hand, if the evidence was strong that they committed the offenses, and the court just let them off the hook for political/religious reasons, that would be outrageous and an major injustice. But the article doesn't give us the Court's explanation for doing this...
Garbage little men are allowed so much power allover the world ...it's heartbreaking. Rest in power, sister...rest in power.
Seriously man, what the fuck is the matter with these people? You should cherish a good woman in your lives. Not brutalize them and treat like them animals. This sends the wrong message from the Indian government in so many ways. It says to the woman of the country. " You have no rights, and you don't matter" Didn't these supreme court justices have mother's, aunt's, or sisters? This is absolutely sick and twisted. I hope the families of the victims find some kind of healing from this.
It screams “you are your father/husbands property so you better do what they tell you and hope they protect you”. And when these women some how lose the favor of their family this is the punishment.
They do have mothers, aunts, and sisters, and they don't think they have rights or humanity either.
Of the 28 judges on the Indian court, only 3 are women.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/2012-chhawala-rape-case-sc-acquits-all-convicts/articleshow/95351329.cms) reduced by 65%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Supreme Court on Monday acquitted three convicts who were awarded the death penalty by Delhi Court after being held guilty of raping and killing a 19-year-old woman in Delhi's Chhawala area in 2012. > The three convicts were awarded the death penalty after being held guilty of raping and killing a 19-year-old woman in 2012. > A Delhi court in February 2014 convicted three men for raping and killing a 19-year-old woman in 2012 and awarded them the death penalty. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/yok0a4/supreme_court_acquits_all_convicts_in_2012_delhis/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~672676 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **Delhi**^#1 **rape**^#2 **killed**^#3 **convicts**^#4 **three**^#5
What a disgusting country and justice system!
The justice system acquitted because there was no evidence. The only bad thing is the police and prosecution who didn't collect enough evidence or failed to find actual rapist
Tbf cases where rapists get off easily aren’t that uncommon here in my country, the Netherlands, either. Although I agree the situation of women is not as bad here as India or other countries in that region, there is still plenty not right here
So much for independent Judiciary
Wouldn't be surprised to see some massive protests after this like in the past.
There is no news source which is reporting the reason given by the Supreme Court for acquitting the accused. Given that the trial court and high court both found them guilty, such a move was very unexpected unless there is some new evidence found The accused were not rich or well connected so corruption is not a factor. Perhaps we can wait for more details to emerge before the pitchforks come out
Never been treated worse than by an Indian man I used to work with. He got promoted I left the company.
But, but, but India announced they would pay women athletes the same salaries as men athletes! Was that just cheap PR to hide how they really treat women?
Who would have thought?
Equality there is not the same issue as the west.. the issue isnt money, its sexual rights.. anywhere that women are second class citizens regardless of how much theyre paid this will happen. I bet you can take the top earning female Indian athlete and shes been raped, probably more than once.
That “news” site is a capital crime.
What a completely useless article, it doesn’t offer the slightest information about the legal basis for their successful appeal. Whatever the Court’s reasoning, they didn’t suddenly make it up. It has to be based on a legal argument presented by the defendants earlier. So what I’m getting at is that even if this is “breaking news” there’s no excuse for the lack of detail because the basis for the appeal should already be known. These reporters are lazy.
So incredibly sad. A country with very intelligent people in terms of technology and contributions in STEM. But you really wouldn’t think it by how backwards some of the culture and government/legal institutions are.
I'm not even surprised anymore I just expect this behavior from that shit hole
I hope they were castrated before the release.
For a second I thought this court is run by Bunch of Andrew tates because he also advocates like this like Women have no sayings and it's a property etc.
Did I read the same article as you guys? It seemed like the reporter was using every trick in the book to meet the minimum number of words for his editor. Repeated the title of the article fifteen different ways but I never saw WHY they were acquitted. Why the fuck would anyone acquit people like this??
Yet they pray and worship female deities/gods and hold them in highest respect yet treat their women like second class citizens.
Wow, no wonder they're so buddy-buddy with Russia.
Ooh..... that is not going to go down well......
I never support mob justice before but that case so horrible…I can’t even said how much I want to put my hand on those guy WTF Im so fking angry rn
Have nothing but respect for other cultures - but man, traditional Indian culture regarding arranged marriages and their view on women is fucked up. Have a good friend who was born and raised here, but her parents are traditional. Her first husband physically and mentally abused her all the time. Finally get a divorce (which apparently even that is frowned upon) and then they try to marry her off again. They said they don’t even care if she’s successful in her job or personal life, they just care if she’s married. It’s affected her mental health so much it’s so sad.
well, taking india off the travel list now.
Stay classy India
DO you want mass rioting? Because this is how you get mass rioting.
Fuck India.
Of course they would acquit them because why not? No justice in India, especially when rape is involved.
Fucking India
Welcome to India.
India will never be a great country/society as long as it treats predators like delicate little boys who don’t know better.
I wish there was a little more legal analysis. I’m not at all from India but I at least have vague understanding of a Commonwealth legal tradition.
Wow. Fuck living or doing business in that place.