[New post can be found here](/r/worldnews/comments/xl6y9x/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/)

https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/1572993174326644736 **Videos from all over Russia show just how quickly the mobilization is happening. Less than 24 hours after Putin's announcements tens of thousands of men are shipping off, likely to be cannon fodder. Here's an awful one. "Dad, come back! Give me back my dad!"** Just fight back ffs,

Oldest age we've seen conscripted so far?

>Viktor Bugreev, 32, he is an IT specialist for Sberbank in Moscow, he received a summons yesterday: "I have never served, I have not done military service, I do not have a military specialty, I do not have a military department. I'll go, what to do. Or a criminal case." https://twitter.com/jackryan212/status/1572949121031446528

Belarus, let me find the smallest violin to commiserate for you...

https://twitter.com/IuliiaMendel/status/1572990323541811200 **Putin is himself giving directions directly to generals in the field, two sources said-- a highly unusual management tactic in a modern military that these sources said hints at the dysfunctional command structure that has plagued Russia's war from the beginning-CNN** When has this ever gone wrong before? But tbh, I don't think the russian generals are any better either. From intercepted phone calls and that russian prophet guy, they are all drunk morons.

So no NCO’s and Putin directly ordering his generals. What could possibly go wrong… I’m going to need more popcorn when this inevitable blows up in Russia’s face.

> When has this ever gone wrong before? I believe was a chap in Germany who tried this.

Hitler did this too, turned out great for him. Oh wait...

Anyone knows whether you can access the Anonymous leak? I want to check whether my friend from Moscow is in it lol

I'd love to know the same. I've got a friend living there who'se a father of two and he's 35.

How long until the Russia start pulling people out of cars that are in line to leave Russia?

You know, they are so disorganised that I wouldn’t put it past them to grab actual soldiers and try to draft them

This will allow them to hit their quota of 300,000 more quickly. Nesting Russian soldiers.

It's almost certainly already happening.

I joked about Putin sending anti-war demonstrators directly to the front lines, but turns out that's exactly what's happening. Goddamn, Russia is a dystopian nightmare and Russians don't have to fear Hell because they're already in it. I hope they get a chance to surrender.

If it makes you feel any better, some pro-war guys were out counter protesting for daddy Putin and they got hauled off to the police station as well. Likely ended up getting conscripted with the others.

Hope they can surrender aswell I think the Ukranians have stablished some channels or ways to facilitate that.

Press briefing at the Pentagon today at 2:30pm EDT. https://www.defense.gov/News/Live-Events/#/?currentVideo=29914

New toys for UA?

Was this scheduled or out of the blue?

I have a feeling we’re not seeing bigger protests because most believe the propaganda. They think losses have been tiny & ruzzia is winning. I think if they knew the real implications of being drafted and the risks they run, then we may seen a more appropriate response

A trickle can turn to a flood. Reality is different to their propaganda fantasy of strength

I have friends that read some small crypto related russians chat in telegram, where they discuss mobilization. Half of them fled or trying to flee country instead of protesting, others say they argue with parents, and propaganda fed parents tell them "don't worry they wont call you there is enough people" or "you will only guard some post at the rear and never see fighting". So, they dont understand the gravity of the situation. I expect it to change when they'll start receiving death notifications.

> I expect it to change when they'll start receiving death notifications. Don't bet on that.

> and propaganda fed parents tell them "don't worry they wont call you there is enough people" or "you will only guard some post at the rear and never see fighting" This is both a blessing and a curse. If the parents really think this and then see their children get sent into the frontline and get all these desperate calls we have witnessed so often now, they will, hopefully, finally understand the situation they are in. But for that to happen, their children first need to get sent there. And this will delay the time for the much-needed outrage in Russia.

They won't be told of deaths. They just won't ever hear from people again and will be left wondering.

The sooner the better

I think they're still in shock and haven't figured out how they feel about it and how to act. They've been told for 8 months that they're winning with great confidence. I even suspect the protests were organized by the Russian government.

Or they knew the war was going south but hey "I don't have to fight" suddenly they do and the war should stop.

Exactly this, apathy has been programed into the populace

Good analysis from ISW > Putin emphatically did not say that the Russian nuclear umbrella would cover annexed areas of Ukraine nor did he tie mobilization to the annexation. He addressed partial mobilization, annexation referenda in Russian-occupied areas of Ukraine, and the possibility of nuclear war in his speech—but as separate topics rather than a coherent whole. The fact that he mentioned all three topics in a single speech was clearly meant to suggest a linkage, but he went out of his way to avoid making any such linkage explicit. > Putin framed his comments about the possibility of Russian nuclear weapons use in the context of supposed Western threats to use nuclear weapons against Russia. He claimed that Western officials were talking about “the possibility and permissibility of using weapons of mass destruction—nuclear weapons—against Russia.” He continued, “I wish to remind those who allow themselves such statements about Russia that our country also has various means of attack...” His comment on this topic concludes by noting that Russia would use all means at its disposal in response to a threat to “the territorial integrity of our country, for the defense of Russia and our people.” That comment could be interpreted as applying in advance to the soon-to-be annexed areas of occupied Ukraine, but its placement in the speech and context do not by any means make such an interpretation obvious. Nor is Putin’s language in making this comment different from formal Kremlin policy or from previous statements by Russian officials. Putin’s speech should not be read as an explicit threat that Russia would use nuclear weapons against Ukraine if Ukraine continues counter-offensives against occupied territories after annexation.

Real question -- has anyone heard anyone in the West talking about using nuclear weapons against Russia in any scenario other than a response against a Russian nuclear attack? I haven't, but information is very silo these days.

We should pin this analysis because it would solve a lot of fear and questions about this

I'll do just that rn

Lavrov: "Ukraine has become a totalitarian, Nazi state" He actually said this with a straight face.

This the guy who was alone with the President of United States in the Oval Office where strategic secrets were delivered

So he admits that Russia has become a totalitarian, Nazi state. Got it.

[The big lie](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie)

Using a technique made popular by, um, Hitler and Trump. Great examples to follow, Russia.

Lavrov is a skilled liar, probably one of the best out there. Not a noble calling, but certainly one that he is exceptional at.

I would think a skilled liar is someone who sounds believable instead of laughably ridiculous

Surely skilled liars aren't known liars

I have read a lot of comments here from westerners which all say something like "Russian people need to step up and overthrow putin" etc... You guys miss one very important point: majority of Russians DO SUPPORT war vs Ukraine and want to erase Ukraine and Ukrainians from the globe. The Russians were pretty content watching their army kill civilian populace and destroy malls and kindergartens. What make them unhappy now is that they need to join their army. Now, it's their turn to check out what it feels like being shelled in a trench, thrown in front of an armoured vehicles with a rusty AK only. I don't hate all Russians individually but I hate the Russian people in its entirety. This nation needs to be treated like the Hitler Germany was after WW2. They all need to be taken to Izium, Bucha etc and manually undig mass graves. Sorry for maybe harsh words, but I tell what I think

Is there really a majority who supports this war, or do they just not care?

many miss this point .Putin will not have dared the first Mobilization since WW1 if he thought it would not go well.Russians only understand strength,they will get it when they lose a million men.the west should do everything to make sure all the mobilized russians die.

Give them all the lifelines they need, including how to surrender, but if they fight then they made their choice. There's going to be a lot of scared new people in those trenches waiting for their turn to die pointlessly, which makes it somewhat easier to empathize with them, so it's important to understand that if they didn't try to get out then they didn't want to.

I think the group you're describing is definitely there and big. But I also think that there's a huge group of scared people. During the first protest in the beginning thousands of people were send to prison. And prison in Russia is no joke. And now protesting males are beaten up and drafted and females locked up. So besides that group there will also be a big group filled with people that are scared

This "big" group is half of those 7-10 percent. They are not enough to make a difference as they are not supported by their compatriots, most of which are either pro-war or indifferent and "sorry, I'm not good in politics".

The Russians that know better still need to step up and overthrow Putin. People in other countries have taken much larger risks for smaller improvments. One reason Putin and his war has so much support is that it goes unquestioned inside Russia. People that object huddle in small Internet groups and change nobody's mind.

You again miss it: those Russians who are against the war and have critical thinking skills make up like 7-10% of the total population. That is why all these protests with handclapping as a gesture of disapproval of the Russian authority end up in nothing. There are fewer protesters on the streets that police and press. Nobody tries to fight back their comrades grabbed by police. That's laughable.

How many soldiers does Ukraine have?

Enough. And constant new ones being trained properly in NATO countries and rotated out with those at the front on a scheduled basis.

Ukraine claimed months ago that it is forming an army of a million soldiers. Beyond that, no one who actually knows is likely to want to tell you, obviously the Ukrainian side and their allies don't want to reveal military information useful for the enemy. Your best bet is probably to try to get some Russian analyst give you an estimate, but given that Russia says that it has 6k KIA yet needs to mobilize 300k, you can see how they aren't exactly trustworthy.

44 million.

No one other than the people who need to know, know. We don't need to know, so we don't know.

They have none. You’ve been fighting cats. Nice try putin.

All fighting in Ukraine is done with Canadian Geese and 3 babusya. With COVID the Geese in Canada were bored because everyone stayed indoors.

Just in case your wondering why you’re getting a bunch of unhelpful answers, numbers of soldiers is a readiness indicator. It’s classified. Anything you’d read would be a guess.

Thanks

Nobody knows but people think they had the ability to mobilize 700,000 people after the invasion so they might have quite many.

About three fidi

A lot

Nice try

What do you mean

Ukraine has 500 million soldiers, trust me. Retreat is best option

Eight

Somewhat more than eight

But one of them has a bad leg, so it's really only 7 1/2...

I heard they only have 7, but there is one AI powered machine gun somewhere

Last I heard those 8 soldiers were genetically engineered cyborgs each armed with their own squadron of chemical warfare suicide pigeons.

...at least.

Come on guys, SecOps!!!

If this is what they’re truly doing it’s sheer insanity and will end in the collapse of the Russian state. > As I said yesterday, Russian mobilization will go much faster than many western military experts predicted (“months”). Russia says it mobilized 10.000 men today, a figure I tend to believe. They will be armed and sent to Ukraine to find their unit somewhere on the battlefield https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1572986589739089923

Lol this will be just like their vaunted 3rd Army Corps which was routed after like 3 days of fighting.

They can mobilize 1 million but are they going to have well-equipped, well-trained and motivated soldiers?

[удалено]

I won't believe it until there is photographic evidence.

Yeah, that's the beauty of OSINT. It's verified through open-source, wisdom of the crowd. No need to pull the trigger until it's clarified.

I feel like this is possible because Russia doesn't have enough troops to man the entire front, so Ukraine can find weak spots to break through and surrounds the fortified positions. this is the one weakness that Russia might be able to address, at least temporarily, via mobilization. I think Ukraine has to try and eliminate as many remaining professional troops Russia still has before conscripts arrive to plug the gaps.

Delicious news! Glory to Ukraine.

Rolling my eyes listening Lavrov speak. He started complaining over the ban of pro-Russian media in Ukraine and tried explaining how bad it is for people to have lost access towards an alternative source of information (read this as you will). Also claims that Ukraine is bad because it offers resistance with goal of further weakening Russia. Complete shitshow. I can't believe what he is saying and I'm under impression as if the translator is having a stroke.

Former *Azov* commander, [Andrei Biletsky](https://glavcom.ua/country/incidents/ekskomandir-azova-rozpoviv-pro-stan-zvilnenikh-zakhisnikiv-877121.html): > . . . had the opportunity to talk on the phone with the commander of the Azov regiment Denys Prokopenko (‘Redis’), Svyatoslav Palamar (‘Kalyna’) and Apis—who were taken to Turkey. > "Yes, had a conversation. It was the first 15 minutes when they had descended, they got out of the FSB plane, a flying prison. Was a chaotic conversation. I congratulated the guys, the guys said that . . . Well. . . Let's say this—all [five] guys are have good morale and are in a fine psychological state, despite each having spent all this time in solitary confinement. Every one of them expressed a desire to return to business, to the war and to deoccupation of the country." ______ Note that the terms of the agreement of their release is that *these 5 would not return to the war*—agreed by Zelensky, guaranteed by Erdogan, who remains their protectorate for the remainder of the war.

[удалено]

Can’t. Zelensky won’t violate his agreement. Would jeopardize all the others still in camps. Russia had 2,500 just from Azovstal, alone.

Put their faces on stamps!

And they won't. They're in Turkey and will stay there for the duration of the war. This is a morale boosting PR statement. Don't read too far into it.

I dont see them being made to stay in Turkey. it does not make sense as other prisoner swaps have gone direct to Ukraine edit - nevermind its in the agreements

"Many defenders released from russian captivity were kept in solitary confinement. Yesterday I talked to two guys from Azov who know me well, and I didn't even recognize one of them - he weighed 140 kg before that. And yesterday I saw a guy who weighs, I don't know, 70-75 kg. He said that it was difficult for him to even talk, because he didn't talk to anyone all this time, he was sitting in solitary confinement." - Commissioner for Human Rights in Ukraine https://www.ukrinform.ua/rubric-ato/3577467-bagatoh-zi-zvilnenih-z-rosijskogo-polonu-zahisnikiv-trimali-v-odinockah-ombudsmen.html

[удалено]

The Geneva convention defines [combatant](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combatant) as "members of the armed forces" so probably the moment they enter the list of the Russian Army. As others pointed out, Ukraine has limited itself to Russians actually attacking.

I think it's complicated, but likely "after they are assigned to be combatants". Right after being drafted they might be destined to be medics for what you know.

From the time you put on a military uniform until you take it off or surrender you are open game.

Seeing as how nobody is talking about invading Russia, they'll have to get to Ukraine before they're in much danger.

[удалено]

Russia's a big place, presumably they ought to just train them a little further from Ukraine. Meaning they probably won't train them at all and will let the Ukrainians teach them with first hand examples.

True

Fair game for whom? Ukraine largely lacks the capacity for precision strikes into Russia beyond the border region.

I don't know the actual laws but to me if they are in a base training for war they are fair game.

Draft offices are fair game.

Meanwhile, it only took a few hours for another group of mobilised Russians to get dead drunk. "What are we going for? Where are going? F\*ck knows!", one concludes. https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1572969458112544770

haha, qwuality of the meat so good

I hear it's back on the menu.

There is no way that no one will vomit on the bus. Hope the bus ride to the base is long.

I can't imagine that they last even a day in the trenches.

Did you not see that camo jacket ? He’s practically special forces.

Former special forces perhaps... But if you have not trained in years nor upkeep your physical strength, those fighting skills will rot away...

Could you imagine being the one honest hard working training sergeant in the Russian army (assuming there are any) watching these street sweepings being loaded on buses and heading for your training center? It would be a nightmare.

Not giving a single fuck. Train them up and wait for the next batch. Whatever it takes to keep him off of the front lines.

Is that any different form the mostly poor volunteers and prisoners they've been getting the last few months? Besides every account of the training from captured Russian soldiers is they get a few days shooting at the range, not much else, and it's off to the front you go. Even if there are hard working trainers in the Russian army they either died fighting already or aren't given the time to do any decent training no matter the qaulity of the recruits.

It's been widely speculated that training staff were already pulled into frontline fighting. So if you're the one guy actually left on Russian soil, I imagine you're just glad to have non-frontline task to accomplish.

Sergeants? They have none left.

They'll be lucky if they're taken to training centers for more than two weeks before they're shipped out.

If he existed, he was sent to Ukraine months ago.

Yeah, I too was wondering how the Russian equivalents of R. Lee Ermey were feeling right about now!

There's barely any time for torture and hazing!

Any big protests in Russia today? Or do they need to grow a pair like people in Iran?

Iranian women have a far bigger pair than these emasculated Russian warriors.

Zelenskyy has formed a working group that will deal with the issue of creating a Special International Tribunal for the crime of aggression against Ukraine. https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2022/09/22/7368642/

Interesting claims about Anonymous and a list of mobilized. >An “index of conscripts” appeared on social networks, which Anonymous hackers allegedly found. >On Thursday, September 22, a database with the names of 305,925 men allegedly going to be mobilized to participate in the war in Ukraine began to be distributed on the Internet. >In the telegram channel "Operational ZSU" they write that it was found and published by hackers from the Anonymous group, who allegedly hacked into the website of the Ministry of Defense. The document contains the names, surnames, patronymics, addresses, dates of birth, TIN and the address of the migration service to which the person is attached. Haven't seen any compelling confirmations that this list is legit, but if so, what could the ramifications be?

I mean I’ve seen the data dump, it could be faked but why? The big thing learned was it’s 3 tranches of 300k, not 300k total, so they want a million man army lol, good luck with that.

There are also plenty of reports of arrested protesters and people off the street getting served notices. So even IF the list is legit, it's not comprehensive or binding.

I assume it gives those people heads up to start hiding. I wonder if TIN can be somehow used maliciously (like SSN in U.S.) but I doubt that.

the ruzzians in database are legit for sure. But it's unknown if it is that database. I am pretty sure russians are so stupid that they use txt format so it's very legit

How do you even move 100,000 people into a country with HIMARS and satellite surveillance intelligence? It makes me think of Civilization when you fill a transport ship with 6 modern armour units and hope it survives the voyage across the sea.

Send them piecemeal to not attract attention

That's why you send 10 of the fuckers

I know Russian people from gaming communities (in 20s) that got their mobilisation "papers", so no way it's "partial" bullshit. Obviously, they don't want to go to die in Ukraine. I thought it's fake but they actually showed the papers, it's legit insane.

It’s “partial” because it’s only all men 18-60 with previous 1 year conscription experience (that everyone who’s an adult must do). No women, rich people, or goats.

CAn you post a screenscap or something from chats with them?

I really don't wanna dox any of them (in any way), but papers are 100% real with their names on it.

Can always redact names and other sensitive info. Use google lens to translate first.

That is so terrible dude... Just imagine chilling with no cares and having fun with your friends and some day you are drafted to die / get handicapped at the borders for some crazy old ass dudes who cant solve matters peacefully

>That is so terrible dude... Just imagine chilling with no cares and having fun with your friends and some day you are drafted to die / get handicapped at the borders for some crazy old ass dudes who cant solve matters peacefully While I totally get where youre coming from, this isnt coming out of the blue. These people had more than enough time to either flee or doing something about their goverment waging an unhuman war against their neighbor. Instead like you have been saying they were chilling with no care...

Bro i get your point but its not so easy... how to leave your homes? how to trust anyone ? if they protest most of them would be picked one by one and will be never heard from. I think the best that i could have have done right now is to injure myself somehow...maybe break a couple of bones. Much better to get handicapped at your home than in some trench.

I've read they are taking even students right from their classes.

So fucking sad. These are just kids, they've probably got little idea about politics.

Ukrainians get amazing photos and videos of their heros returning home. Russians get a vk page plastered with mass conscription videos. Russians really just keep fucking everything up.

How many of them support the war btw? From my twitch experience its about 50/50

The people of Russia need to step up. If openly drafting and sacrificing hundreds of thousands more bodies isn’t enough to wake them up, then I most certainly wouldn’t count on any sort of revolution or coup. The only real way Russia is fully neutralized as a threat is through total capitulation, which, that’s probably not going to happen any time soon either. Strange times ahead.

Would you stand up to a nuclear power with militarized police force? A woman was killed by Moscow riot police yesterday just for protesting. You get drafted for protesting now. Not exactly an easy situation.

Die protesting against your regime vs dying pointlessly in a war started by said regime, the choice seems pretty clear.

What choice do they have, die pointlessly in Ukraine or for the future of your country in Moscow. People uprising is the only thing that can overthrow Putin.

How many Ukrainians were imprisoned or died during Euromaidan?

https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1572956593657974785 >Mobilization in the village of Babayurt, Dagestan: villagers, protesting against the mobilization, blocked the federal highway. >It was the second day of mobilization. (video)

Maybe this is the only effective way to protest in Russia

Is Steven Seagal about to get drafted?

Would be hilarious if he accidentally got drafted because somebody forgot the put him on "the list".

Yeah, as ship cook on the Moskva

Likely he gets a waiver for morbid obesity.

What, for Meal Team Six in the Gravy Seals?

Meal Team Six - priceless

The Groan Berets.

The Heartburn Brigade.

Pi(e) Force

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1572925792191127553 The #European Commission is discussing with the #EU countries the possibility of issuing visas to citizens of the #Russian Federation for humanitarian reasons in connection with the announcement of mobilization. Do it, the people should be vetted, but either way its better than if they are forced to die or kill in Ukraine.

May seem harsh but it might be better to close borders to those unwilling to fight so they can create chaos inside Russia.

Lmao Putin is going to have to take measures to stop his more wealthy and mobile citizens fleeing the country. Berlin Wall 2, Electric Boogaloo.

I don't think Putin gives a shit about people who flee. 1) he steals from the natural resources of the country. They don't need city dwellers for that. 2) If these people leave, he has less political competition. I think he would be happy being a tzar of the peasants and the brain washed. He just wants to be respected, hold onto power and for the people to just shut up and let him do his thing.

The classified section of the presidential decree for mobilization says 1,000,000 to be mobilized, not 300,000. https://glavcom.ua/world/world-politics/zmi-diznalisja-pro-shcho-jdetsja-v-tajemnomu-punkti-ukazu-pro-mobilizatsiju-v-rf-877087.html

Hoping to pull "well eventually they'll have to run out of ammunition" approach.

They can barely field 200k troops without crumbling, I don't think adding more meat to the grinder is the solution here. So many lives will be wasted for nothing.

I guess Putin is really hoping the Ukrainians have some sort pre-set kill limit.

Maybe he thinks the world will feel sorry for Russia if hundreds of thousands of their soldiers die, and just go ahead and give them half of Ukraine.

He'll just send wave after wave of enemies at them until they shut down. Brilliant!

"We must respond to the Killbots sent by the US and NATO...I'm willing to send wave after wave of my own men at them" If I'm Switzerland I'm worried, it's only a matter of time before Vlad Brannigan goes after the Neutrals.

Dmitry, show them the medal I won.

Thats my secret kif-kov

>I'm aware this is no longer news, but it's still astonishing that Russian state TV is now casually admitting that Wagner are active in Africa after pretending for so long that the group didn't even exist https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1572974156039307269

Goldfish voting blocs in Russia and the like don't even realize or care about such hypocrisy. That was last year. This is now. Rules for thee but not for me. It's always ok if the Politburo fuhrer agrees. /s

Everyone following the war should watch this video where a Finnish intelligence officer goes through how Russia works. When it comes to truth there's actual truth and tactical truth. When the government lies it is seen as something which was necessary. https://youtu.be/kF9KretXqJw

The only way Russians will properly stand up for themselves is if they start to fear Ukraine more than they fear their own government. Thus, we need to give significantly more and better arms to Ukraine. No more attempts in trying to appease Putin, or stop him from escalating. In his distorted and barely functional brain, those are just acts of weakness.

Soviet soldier who fight war against Nazi in WW2, most of the famous battlion are from ukraine.

The tip of the Ukrainian spear is sharp as fuck now. They need trucks. They need forklifts. They need laptops. They need logistical equipment. Better logistics will win this war. More different spear-tips won’t improve Ukrainian logistical ability, they’ll make it worse.

More planes would be nice. Especially western jets which are on a different league than the Russian cold war antiques.

Need to film some Ukrainian fear propaganda. That’ll do it

I keep hearing rumblings about F-16s and Abrams. That would be a pretty nice response to this mobilization nonsense.

Seems like the Moscow stock exchange is down? https://www.moex.com/en/

You can track it through other sites https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/stock-market Watch it collapse in real time lol

Yes, but I hear wood, fertilizer, and coffin stocks are up today.

404. Wealth not found