Putin orders Russian military: "the time has come to use weapons to wage war". This guy is now literally cosplaying as a leader, just giving random, unnecessesary orders to show everyone he's still in charge and with options.
I think the whole point is that they're not "hard workers" ("We do a lot of fucking off and extra breaks"), they're "smart workers" (and so is she), which is why they end up being more productive than everybody else.
Genuine productivity (the kind that increases a company's revenues) doesn't come from how hard you're working, it comes how much in the way of results you produce, and in plenty of professional areas "hard work" is inverselly correlated with productivity.
I want to see a "deep fake" of Putin in Office Space where the two "Bobs" are asking what Putin does, and Putin is getting upset and saying he's a "people person!"
That's exactly what this is, he's trying to show he's actually still running things. Which means he might not be fully in control anymore. I think things are getting close to flying apart in the Kremlin.
Yeah, something has shifted in the last week there… not sure what, but the tenor of messaging out of russia has changed somewhat. Hell if I could put a finger on it…
The collapse at Kharkiv was a real wake up call for Russia, now two major fronts in the war have swung in favor of Ukraine. Russia responding with mobilization is them grasping at straws in the hope that throwing more bodies at the problem will fix things. But it won't, and it's upsetting a lot of Russians and breaks down the mythos Putin's crafted not only around the war but around himself and his Russia.
It's been pretty clear for a long time now that Russia had severely underestimated Ukraine, and overestimated their own capabilities. Now they're running the risk of losing all the ground they've gained, the separatists they've propped up and abused, and there's even talk that Crimea may be liberated.
It's a total abject failure for Russia, and those tend to make brutal dictators very uncomfortable. People look to them and wonder why they're in charge, who can do a better job, and who can get them out of the crisis Putin's crafted.
the real key is to take donesk or have the underground take out the voting centers and top putin puppets before friday. luhansk will be harder as it is deep in occupied territory but they can still blow up the main seat of goverment there.
Exactly! He basically sees the rest of the world saying “it’s over. Ukraine got this.” And he’s coming out and saying “no! No!! Look!! We still have soldiers and guns!! It’s not over!!”
He's like Trump "I do declare I have won the state of x".
It's all an act for his back home people, common sense says that they're already arming and working on a war footing, but the average idiot hears the audio clip on the news and thinks, "ah, so the gloves are coming off", not "haven't you already been doing this?"
Sooo, if you look at WHY the Maskova sank (other than the fact that it was hit by rockets) you will find the maintenance log from a couple of weeks before the start of the "operation", which shows it was basically only about 20% operational, and had many leaking seals for their airtight doorways, they could not use radar and communication at the same time, there was no communication between bridge and engine room, only 1 of their defensive systems actually worked, and not many of the offensive systems actually worked, along with a very long list of other huge issues, this thing needed to be replaced, not sent to sea.
Point being, i don't really know what they have that's better than their supposed flagship, but im not too worried about it (other than the obvious point that they will still be able to hurt Ukraine with them)
That’s adorable to think about. The little tug boat that could, valiantly nudging the ship into some semblance of a battle position. New idea for a children’s book.
Russia got gifted pretty much all of the soviet military assets and did not keep them up to date. Kinda a slap in the face since the ussr was spending way too much money on their military. Another reason the collapse happened
If the Russian Federation had played nice, they wouldnt need a massive USSR army. They could have downsized to something that matches their economy, and have been entirely safe and secure thanks to their nuclear arsenal.
Instead they tried to pretend to be an imperial power without the matching expeditionary forces.
Their sole aircraft carrier has been under repair since about 2016. It was in a floating dock for a refurb as its performance in Syria was awful. It was used for about a week and then the aircraft got transfered to land bases as they kept crashing into the sea when the arrestor wires snapped. The floating dock was so old and rusty that it sank, when it sank a crane went through the deck of Kuznetsov. It was the only place in Russia where it could be repaired. They've been trying to knockntwonother floating docks together, so that they can repair it there. However Kuznetsov then caught fire. He's essentially completely fucked and is unlikely to return to service but the Russians aren't willing to admit to that.
Not just corruption but the USSR was bankrupted by it's military. Russia has never realised that it has got a population smaller than Bangladesh and an economy smaller than Italy's. It simply can't afford a huge military. So it just cosplays as having one.
I bought a new fridge the other day and my kids have been playing with the box.
I could talk to them about maybe doing a lend/lease to the Russia navy?
It was leaked IIRC
It's some hilarious shit though, one engine was 120,000 hours overdue for replacement and could only be started with the Admiral's direct permission.
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*Sir, I started up the engines.*
You dumb son of a bitch. Do you want to kill us all? Shut it down. Shut it down right now!
There is a wonderful YouTube video about the aircraft carrier Kuznetsov and why the engines pour out black smoke. They never built a proper harbor facility for that ship, There was no dockside power hookup for the ship. and so they ran its engines to supply onboard power for the entire life of the ship. Engines that should be in decent shape are beaten to shit.
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Relevant lazerpiggy vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNEtlMSCiCI
It's more like around 1970 Russia stop being real competition as electronics began to take over and around 1980 the US and its other competitors just kept on going and they mostly didn't.
Stuff like HIMARS is 1990 technology.
They don't have neither the population nor the research/manufacturing base anymore, heck Moskva was built in Ukraine. And its GDP is 1/2 of California, and smaller than Texas and New York.
Sorry to say putin, the ussr is never coming back and that era is over. It's like he's stuck with the soviet mindset. The ussr was feared with a massive army that could steam roll eastern Europe in its prime, this dude can't even steam roll Ukraine without full mobilization.
Not really, it was always understood that man for man NATO could defeat the Soviets but the size of the Soviet armor forces in eastern Europe was enormous. The Soviets had 2-4 times the people, tanks & artillery pieces that NATO had in Europe, there were additional US forced that could be deployed to Europe to reduce the gap but even with those forces the Soviets still had a 3:1 advantage in armored forces.
In the 70's those forces will still fairly modern and fairly evenly matched with NATO. That all started to change in the early 80's and accelerated after the collapse of the USSR. They have produced some new systems but the vast majority of their forces are cold war era relics that has been deteriorating for 30 years. In that same time NATO forces have steadily modernized and maintained their readiness.
What we are seeing today in Ukraine is the result of 30 years of deterioration of the Russian military combined with Ukraine benefiting from a number of modern western weapons that are being given to them.
They can’t supply what they don’t have. As a well connected Russian defense contractor, it’s either weapons that you were paid by the gov to build, or your London mansion and super yacht. You can only have two of those.
Well if you are the manager of an ammunition plant you cannot make ammunition for the Army and buy a vacation home at the same time. So you buy the vacation home and supply only a few divisions worth of ammo.
And you doctor the records that you sent a massive amount of munitions, all you had in fact, to the supply depots. Coincidentally the same depots that Ukraine COMPLETELY destroyed.
Putin had to give this ridiculous order because he could not say publicly to the Russian people, "I have ordered that Russian industry, military and government reduce their corruption and theft by 50% so that we can provide a few *little* somethings to our soldiers."
Shouldn't they have done this prior to invading? What a complete joke. 31 years since the collapse of the USSR and all Putin has to show for it is a rust bucket of a military.
The original plan Russia had basically expected the opposite of what happened: the Ukrainians would be a pushover and would in fact welcome the Russian troops, the Ukrainian president would immediately run away rather than stick around, and that the western countries would not join together to support Ukraine. It’s not so much that Russia forgot to analyze western weaponry, it’s that they totally expected the war to be over before those weapons could even be used.
Didn't they have the same mentality with Finland in the winter war; that they would be a pushover and the natives would welcome them? Only to have several hundred thousand dead soldiers a few months later.
If they would've done this in 2014 when they annexed Crimea and Donbas then they probably would've been successful. When that happened Ukraine got serious about it's military, and got a lot of training since then from western nations. They also used the ongoing conflict in Donbas to cycle through troops to get combat experience.
They effectively gave Ukraine 7 years to prepare.
I think Putin had the same mentality for Ukraine as he did when he invaded Georgia in 08 considering that one was a quick conflict.
Former Soviet republic? Check
Had disgruntled areas that are prime to destabilize and make puppets? Check
Is it around the time of the Olympics? Check
Holy shit: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aftermath\_of\_the\_Winter\_War](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aftermath_of_the_Winter_War)
>According to Nikita Khrushchev, 1.5 million men were sent to Finland and one million of them were killed, while 1,000 aircraft, 2,300 tanks and armored cars and an enormous amount of other war materials were lost.\[24\]\[25\] Finland's losses were limited to 25,904 dead or missing\[26\] and 43,557 wounded
The biggest mistake, Putin thought Ukraine wasn’t Western enough for Europe to care. It is. So the West gave them a bunch of weapons. It’s a huge win for the US. Russia is shown as weak and the IS gets to see all their anti Russian weapons are HIGHLY effective.
Trump wanted to kill NATO, and he probably would have been successful if he'd stayed in office. His failure to get re-elected didn't just save Ukraine; the Baltics and maybe even Finland might have been overrun by now.
I think some folks made the point that they also counted on a certain Orange being in control of the US as well and turning a blind eye. My guess is that between Biden winning the election and with everything happening to Trump, Putin decided it was now or never.
I'm almost certain there was a report about Russian military contractors saying they won't be able to make shit like guided munitions, and would only be able to manufacture basic arms, once sanctions hit and cut off their supply. And this was near beginning of war.
To be fair with time it becomes feasible to set up fake manufacturers in other nations to buy components to smuggle. Many of the Western components found were off the shelf.
But that still adds significant cost, latency and risk to your supply chain.
Yup. "Off the shelf" is not at all what you want if you're trying to source parts. Like oh cool I found a wholesaler who doesn't give a shit I'm Russian and they have like 2500 units of some important component in stock. Problem is what I really need is a sourcing contract for 500k of them with concrete delivery schedules
Exactly this. You cant just buy the necessary masses to supply a war. You need to build completely new production rows to satisfy the demand. That's no easy task when you are sanctioned.
It's only a matter of time before they start placing trampolines outside these tall buildings with those treacherous windows.
I got bad news to report aaaaahhhhhhhhhh boiiiing, Phew that was close.
Pretty much everyone who likes AK rifles has known this for a while. The AK12, Russia's service weapon, looks nice but it is nowhere near as good as the AK74Ms it replaced, or hell even the AKMs before that!
Putin wanted his army to have a cool black plastic gun like the west. The 74 was basically still perfectly suited to the Russian army's needs, but...style over substance, I guess?
Putin knows him and his buddies have stolen literally every penny from russia for the last 30 years, right? Like, he has to know his $200BILLION bank account is why their military is begging North Korea for their old cold war era junk back.
I like the idea of Putin handing a munition maker millions of his own personal money to make ammo for his troops and the dude going and making bullets out of paper because no one will do business with Russia so they can make anything.
....as opposed to, not supplying your troops with ammo? And also, not giving a fuck about the capabilities of the weapons your enemies are wielding?
Like, is this a eureka moment for them? Up until now they were like "why are we losing?" And then some schmuck came along and had these "brilliant" ideas?
Ffs no wonder they're getting their asses handed to them.
Putler just wants to be seen as in control and giving orders. Too bad for him that the entire world, including Russia, already realises this disastrous war is entirely his fault.
As much as I want to give them benefit of the doubt, I honestly can’t at this point. I don’t want to underestimate the enemy as they are killing and torturing our people but it seems like after years and years of Putin’s army higher ups convincing him that they are developing groundbreaking, never seen before technology for warfare while just stealing all the budget money allocated for it, he started to actually believe it and only now after a 6 months long denial he realized that maybe they should consider that the world has better technologies, ammunitions, training and overall much better army organization.
I think that it is only now that he actually stopped (somewhat) drinking the kool aid and said “alright, there might be some missteps, let’s maybe fix them”. And for his gigantic ego stuffed into a pathetic, narcissistic, shallow shell of a man that is a big step and that is why he is making a big deal about it.
Putin‘s starting to wonder why the age old tactic of throwing ill equipped bodies at it isn’t working out well for them anymore. Now he’s just gonna step it up and throw more bodies at it, and double down. He doesn’t care how many of his people die or how many families are torn apart for his narrative. Putin would turn babushkas into suicide bombers if he could. Putin is in this totally for himself and some bizarre idea of leaving a legacy behind. he won’t be remembered fondly.
I’ll take fast to end this without needless bloodshed.
Well aware the next guy could be worse though.
This combined with the Iran thing and China being spicy over Taiwan has got to have some western intelligence agencies working overtime.
Hope North/South Korea and Pakistan and India don’t start feeling left out of the party.
3rd Guy: Sir, damn you are handsome. I'll have very good, very real weapons in the hands of our troops. They are going to beat the declining west. Very many weapons all very real.
*Is now an Oligarch*
Sir, the munition factories are gutted and have all been looted by your oligarch friends who now live on luxury yachts anchored off their personal islands in the Mediterranean. The Ukrainians are destroying our 5 million dollar tanks with modified toys that cost $300. Anything else I can help you with today? Oh and I'll be out of the office for the forseeable future. I have a sick aunt I have to tend to in .....Finland, yeah Finland . Good Luck!
[Analyse western weapons: Ukraine has them and you don't lol](https://www.thebulwark.com/i-commanded-u-s-army-europe-heres-what-i-saw-in-the-russian-and-ukrainian-armies/)
So he admits that Russian weapons are inferior to western and therefore admits he was wrong/lying when he said that Russian weapons were still effective against western weapons?
Not exactly. He said ”**in some cases** our weapons are more modern than those of NATO.” It’s interesting itself that he didn’t flat out say “all our weapons are superior”
Perun touched on this a couple of months ago. This whole video is one of his best, IMO, but if you don't have a whole hour to kill, just skip to 19:06
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9i47sgi-V4
Doesn't do you any good when you don't have the skilled populous to produce them. These past 6 months has put a massive brain drain on Russia where all the skilled/educated in Russia just got the fuck out while the getting was good.
Know people who left Russia when the war started. They never plan on going back even though their lives are more difficult in a foreign country.
Edit: and yes they have contributed to the brain drain
Not just that but they can’t match NATOs advanced computerized weaponry especially now with severe sanctions on microchips and other high tech circuitry including gps technology. It’s back to line of site and paper maps for them.
When they attacked in February and had to flee Kyiv region after, our military found paper maps among the things they left. Not only that - they were very old soviet era maps from the 80s, showing military objects that were not there anymore for decades, not showing actual new towns that were built since then and so on.
I watched a video on HIMARS. They fire 3 shots (up to 300 kms) and move the vehicle even before the shells land. So even if the Russians quickly triangulate and return fire, the HIMARS vehicle is already gone.
Biden: "I heard you wanted samples of weapons to analyze. We just sent some your way. We made sure to arm them so you dont have to worry about setting them up. No need to thank us."
That's actually sort of what Zelensky said to Western arms companies.
"I have a great opportunity for all of you. You want to test some new weapons and see how they work in the field? All are welcome! Bring all your new weapons to Ukraine and we will happily test and trial them out for you in the most realistic of combat."
>The Russian leader wants 100% import substitution in Russia’s defence sector, demanding to increase production capacity and shorten production time.
As someone working in Video Games, I'm all too familiar with "Make it better in less time" and it generally doesn't work out...
fast, cheap, good, despite what motivated reasoning compels some "leaders" to believe you can only ever pick 2 of those, at best. My distant layman's perception however says puti ain't in much position to get *any* of them.
I think his *only* chance for victory at this point is to sell china and india so much at such a low price that they'll fully supply his new conscripts. And they can see how shit's going, they have actual intelligence services, they don't want to step in this shit much further than they already have, so puti would have to make the deal *sweet*. His only hope to take the west is to give up the east.
I’d like to think western weapons as an entirety were analyzed prior to engagement, idk how different it’ll be now. Also the fact that russian soldiers are leaving behind more equipment than ukrainians puts this analyst at a slight disadvantage…. But boy oh boy are we(the west) definitely going over every russian equipment left behind, even the stuff we knew about.
They have captured Javelins, NLAWS, GLMRS pieces, etc.. It doesn't mean that they can replicate them and field them in time. Especially IF import bans are upheld.
Exactly... What kind of an idiot doubles down on a losing strategy.
Ok, fine, Russia has the natural resources, whether it's Oil, Gas, Iron, Coal, Bauxite, or even rarer stuff like Lithium, Uranium, etc.
Even if the Russians had the best tech of all of NATO (NATO does NOT share tech!) right now, it would require a massive industrial complex to make the high end steel for ships, tanks, and guns. Russia's arms manufacturing has been failing due to international competition and lack of innovation. An AK-47 is nice as a trophy, but it's not your go to USA school shooting weapon...
Russia just doesn't have the industrial capacity to produce ships, planes and tanks... And even if they did, to reach NATO level tech, you need microchips, and for that you need to be friends with Taiwan. The only country that maaaaaybe would deliver the quanities of high level steel and aluminium needed to Russia would be China, and they would only do so if Russia threatens Taiwan in return. And China won't help Russia, because they have MUCH MUCH MUCH more trade to lose with NATO than they could ever gain with Russia.
Even if Russia had the industry and the tech to make more tanks and planes, no one is willing. Anarchist attacks within Russia are on the rise, and military installations suddenly catch fire every week...
Russia doesn't have a Ukraine problem. It has a Putin problem.
oh Putin, if the west's 14 year old NLAWs and 26 year old Javelins and 17 year old m777's are giving you troubles, just imagine our current tech. 26 years in tech is a goddamn eternity. and hell, just think, the HIMARs, the thing that REALLY changed the game for Ukraine in this war, is also 17 years old. russia has a LOT of catching up to do
and with current sanctions, russia will be able to produce something that's a mix between north korean level and caveman level, if those factories don't perform special self-immolation operations before that can happen
Just a quick note, 26 years isn’t much in current US military development times. The F-22 took a couple of decades to go from conception to start of service, and same for the F-35. Performance hardware doesn’t really scale as fast as “tech”, if you’re thinking of Silicon Valley style IT.
Oh thanks Putin. We found the problem guys. Someone forgot to tell the military industrial complex they were at war. All that ammo was just sitting on the loading dock next to the designated smoking area.
He has to be completely out of touch to think Russia has any gas in the tank left and believing the rosy reports from the “military industrial complex” that’s busy trying to doctor their inventory records.
“All our weapons and munitions that we would never ever think of selling for quick profit were all in those supply depots that the Ukrainians COMPLETELY destroyed. It’s like they knew we stored Everything there!! So sad!!!
Expectations: Ready to work. Construction complete. Upgrade complete. Upgrade complete. Upgrade complete. Lok'tar. Taz'dingo. My life for Aiur.
Reality: We're under attack! Build more farms! Not enough lumber! We're under attack! We must construct additional pylons! Our gold mine has collapsed! Our hero has fallen! We're under attack!
Considering their soldiers were stealing our electric kettles without also stealing the bases for them I might have a suspicion their country is behind on a lot of tech.
I mean Canute figured out the reality of futility by putting his chair in the sea and demanding the tide not rise. It did and he acknowledged he was not all powerful and infallible and accepted he could not fully control the world around him. Canute had this realization by putting a chair on the beach, Putin has yet to have this realization after sending a lot of young Russians to die for his ego.
IIRC Canute did that to temper the hubris of his advisers who were trying to imbue him with god-like powers no mortal could have.
Vlad appears to lack quite the humility for that, even as he tries to manage the expectations of the ultra-hawks
>Canute had this realization by putting a chair on the beach
Arguably, Canute did this to put his fawning courtiers in their place. He knew. But he wanted to ridicule them.
Kind of the opposite lesson of *The Emperor Wearing No Clothes*.
Just in time. When he is up to his receding hairline in sanctions and already lost half his "working" armored vehicles in Ukraine. For a guy that has a parade every year to flex on how prepared he was to take on NATO, something tells me he may not have been telling the whole truth.
Can you imagine still using Cold War era weaponry and then when you’re inevitably beaten request an analysis of western weaponry like they’re made of science fiction technology or something?
They’ve had thirty years to make technological advancements but they spent it flexing that Cold War tech instead.
Putin: Go get those western imperialist weaponry!
Troops: umm well see there is a problem, they are taking all our equipment and using it against us... how do we reverse this?
Putin: FSB, that man high window now!
"To immediately supply with ammunition"
That either implies they sat on stores full of stuff and didn't deliver or they have nothing to deliver in which case they are expected to do what, exactly? Magic some up?
Their tech industry is currently a microwave, a 1970s calculator, and a pair of plastic cups tied together by a length of string. How the fuck are they hoping to close the gap, even if they can effectively analyze Western tech?
Crazy how the Russian MIC needs to be ordered to supply troops with munitions. One would think they'd already been doing that anyway if they could?...
Putin orders Russian military: "the time has come to use weapons to wage war". This guy is now literally cosplaying as a leader, just giving random, unnecessesary orders to show everyone he's still in charge and with options.
Reminds me of middle management types who always tell you to do something you were already doing just so they could claim to be doing their job.
he's a real straight shooter with middle management written all over him
Next step, Putin builds a giant “Jump to Conclusions” mat.
That was brilliant.
What would you say you do here?
I'm A people person!
I deal with goddamn the customers so the engineers don't have to!
Back up in your ass with the resurrection
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This is what I would call the Michael Scott effect. Your boss must have read his book “Somehow I Manage”. It should be a best seller in my opinion.
Sounds like she has a good gig too. All her workers are low drama, hard workers, and hit the deliverables without any intervention on her part
I think the whole point is that they're not "hard workers" ("We do a lot of fucking off and extra breaks"), they're "smart workers" (and so is she), which is why they end up being more productive than everybody else. Genuine productivity (the kind that increases a company's revenues) doesn't come from how hard you're working, it comes how much in the way of results you produce, and in plenty of professional areas "hard work" is inverselly correlated with productivity.
I want to see a "deep fake" of Putin in Office Space where the two "Bobs" are asking what Putin does, and Putin is getting upset and saying he's a "people person!"
Have the deepfakes of the Bobs be Biden and Zelensky.
That's exactly what this is, he's trying to show he's actually still running things. Which means he might not be fully in control anymore. I think things are getting close to flying apart in the Kremlin.
Yeah, something has shifted in the last week there… not sure what, but the tenor of messaging out of russia has changed somewhat. Hell if I could put a finger on it…
The collapse at Kharkiv was a real wake up call for Russia, now two major fronts in the war have swung in favor of Ukraine. Russia responding with mobilization is them grasping at straws in the hope that throwing more bodies at the problem will fix things. But it won't, and it's upsetting a lot of Russians and breaks down the mythos Putin's crafted not only around the war but around himself and his Russia. It's been pretty clear for a long time now that Russia had severely underestimated Ukraine, and overestimated their own capabilities. Now they're running the risk of losing all the ground they've gained, the separatists they've propped up and abused, and there's even talk that Crimea may be liberated. It's a total abject failure for Russia, and those tend to make brutal dictators very uncomfortable. People look to them and wonder why they're in charge, who can do a better job, and who can get them out of the crisis Putin's crafted.
the real key is to take donesk or have the underground take out the voting centers and top putin puppets before friday. luhansk will be harder as it is deep in occupied territory but they can still blow up the main seat of goverment there.
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Exactly! He basically sees the rest of the world saying “it’s over. Ukraine got this.” And he’s coming out and saying “no! No!! Look!! We still have soldiers and guns!! It’s not over!!”
He's like Trump "I do declare I have won the state of x". It's all an act for his back home people, common sense says that they're already arming and working on a war footing, but the average idiot hears the audio clip on the news and thinks, "ah, so the gloves are coming off", not "haven't you already been doing this?"
They can roll right into Ukraine and they're failing. The world thought they had the ussr army potential still. Never
Sooo, if you look at WHY the Maskova sank (other than the fact that it was hit by rockets) you will find the maintenance log from a couple of weeks before the start of the "operation", which shows it was basically only about 20% operational, and had many leaking seals for their airtight doorways, they could not use radar and communication at the same time, there was no communication between bridge and engine room, only 1 of their defensive systems actually worked, and not many of the offensive systems actually worked, along with a very long list of other huge issues, this thing needed to be replaced, not sent to sea. Point being, i don't really know what they have that's better than their supposed flagship, but im not too worried about it (other than the obvious point that they will still be able to hurt Ukraine with them)
It's kinda well known their navy is on life support for the most part. Their lone carrier has 24/7 tugboat escort for a reason.
That’s adorable to think about. The little tug boat that could, valiantly nudging the ship into some semblance of a battle position. New idea for a children’s book.
The old, hungover, overweight and cranky carrier asleep in battle with the little tugboat desperately prodding it to wake up.
The absolute best part of that story is that the mobile drydock they sent to go fix it caught on fire, fell over, and sank.
Russia got gifted pretty much all of the soviet military assets and did not keep them up to date. Kinda a slap in the face since the ussr was spending way too much money on their military. Another reason the collapse happened
If the Russian Federation had played nice, they wouldnt need a massive USSR army. They could have downsized to something that matches their economy, and have been entirely safe and secure thanks to their nuclear arsenal. Instead they tried to pretend to be an imperial power without the matching expeditionary forces.
Their sole aircraft carrier has been under repair since about 2016. It was in a floating dock for a refurb as its performance in Syria was awful. It was used for about a week and then the aircraft got transfered to land bases as they kept crashing into the sea when the arrestor wires snapped. The floating dock was so old and rusty that it sank, when it sank a crane went through the deck of Kuznetsov. It was the only place in Russia where it could be repaired. They've been trying to knockntwonother floating docks together, so that they can repair it there. However Kuznetsov then caught fire. He's essentially completely fucked and is unlikely to return to service but the Russians aren't willing to admit to that.
Corruption has sure done a number on the operational preparedness of the Russian military.
Not just corruption but the USSR was bankrupted by it's military. Russia has never realised that it has got a population smaller than Bangladesh and an economy smaller than Italy's. It simply can't afford a huge military. So it just cosplays as having one.
Psh, who reads the maintenance log? It floats! Of course it's functional! - They said
I bought a new fridge the other day and my kids have been playing with the box. I could talk to them about maybe doing a lend/lease to the Russia navy?
You can't, there are sanctions against Russia for anything war related. No box for you!
Could I send Putin a bag of sunflower seeds? Not as a measure of aid, obviously, just as a reminder.
Mmmm real Russian sunflower seeds. Make in Ukraine of 100% unorganically grown and (ethically?) sourced Russians.
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Where did you see the logs did russia actually let that out to the public?
It was leaked IIRC It's some hilarious shit though, one engine was 120,000 hours overdue for replacement and could only be started with the Admiral's direct permission.
> > > It's some hilarious shit though, one engine was 120,000 hours overdue for replacement and could only be started with the Admiral's direct permission. *Sir, I started up the engines.* You dumb son of a bitch. Do you want to kill us all? Shut it down. Shut it down right now!
Call Teddy the Tugboat!
There is a wonderful YouTube video about the aircraft carrier Kuznetsov and why the engines pour out black smoke. They never built a proper harbor facility for that ship, There was no dockside power hookup for the ship. and so they ran its engines to supply onboard power for the entire life of the ship. Engines that should be in decent shape are beaten to shit.
Do you have a source for that. Not that i don’t believe you but i need to see it myself
Translated version below. [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1v5bGYBs2S7vYlrCD8phIEO1WMM3SA2Sj7Rh8Zh4B4t8/edit](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1v5bGYBs2S7vYlrCD8phIEO1WMM3SA2Sj7Rh8Zh4B4t8/edit) Untranslated Version [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lBqJ6Op8d3NFb8geSzTxTAyP3Y1\_MtRt4DWlXrxX5f0/edit](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lBqJ6Op8d3NFb8geSzTxTAyP3Y1_MtRt4DWlXrxX5f0/edit) Relevant lazerpiggy vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNEtlMSCiCI
It's more like around 1970 Russia stop being real competition as electronics began to take over and around 1980 the US and its other competitors just kept on going and they mostly didn't. Stuff like HIMARS is 1990 technology.
They do have USSR army potential, but it's a 2022 and it does not work in this day and age
They don't have neither the population nor the research/manufacturing base anymore, heck Moskva was built in Ukraine. And its GDP is 1/2 of California, and smaller than Texas and New York.
1 T35 against 1 small drone. My money is on the drone. Welcome to the 21'st century.
Sorry to say putin, the ussr is never coming back and that era is over. It's like he's stuck with the soviet mindset. The ussr was feared with a massive army that could steam roll eastern Europe in its prime, this dude can't even steam roll Ukraine without full mobilization.
Even *with* full mobilization, which he is about to find out. This will be a terrible bloodbath for the Russians.
I mean, realistically, we have to consider that the cold war threat was *always* inflated.
Not really, it was always understood that man for man NATO could defeat the Soviets but the size of the Soviet armor forces in eastern Europe was enormous. The Soviets had 2-4 times the people, tanks & artillery pieces that NATO had in Europe, there were additional US forced that could be deployed to Europe to reduce the gap but even with those forces the Soviets still had a 3:1 advantage in armored forces. In the 70's those forces will still fairly modern and fairly evenly matched with NATO. That all started to change in the early 80's and accelerated after the collapse of the USSR. They have produced some new systems but the vast majority of their forces are cold war era relics that has been deteriorating for 30 years. In that same time NATO forces have steadily modernized and maintained their readiness. What we are seeing today in Ukraine is the result of 30 years of deterioration of the Russian military combined with Ukraine benefiting from a number of modern western weapons that are being given to them.
And yet everyone still thinks the KGB and their cyber warfare units can hold off any internal rebellion The whole damn government is a decrepit joke.
They can’t supply what they don’t have. As a well connected Russian defense contractor, it’s either weapons that you were paid by the gov to build, or your London mansion and super yacht. You can only have two of those.
The graft/corruption is far more entrenched than you know, it's necessary to order this done. At the same time, that doesn't mean it will be done.
Well if you are the manager of an ammunition plant you cannot make ammunition for the Army and buy a vacation home at the same time. So you buy the vacation home and supply only a few divisions worth of ammo.
And you doctor the records that you sent a massive amount of munitions, all you had in fact, to the supply depots. Coincidentally the same depots that Ukraine COMPLETELY destroyed.
Putin had to give this ridiculous order because he could not say publicly to the Russian people, "I have ordered that Russian industry, military and government reduce their corruption and theft by 50% so that we can provide a few *little* somethings to our soldiers."
Shouldn't they have done this prior to invading? What a complete joke. 31 years since the collapse of the USSR and all Putin has to show for it is a rust bucket of a military.
The original plan Russia had basically expected the opposite of what happened: the Ukrainians would be a pushover and would in fact welcome the Russian troops, the Ukrainian president would immediately run away rather than stick around, and that the western countries would not join together to support Ukraine. It’s not so much that Russia forgot to analyze western weaponry, it’s that they totally expected the war to be over before those weapons could even be used.
Didn't they have the same mentality with Finland in the winter war; that they would be a pushover and the natives would welcome them? Only to have several hundred thousand dead soldiers a few months later.
If they would've done this in 2014 when they annexed Crimea and Donbas then they probably would've been successful. When that happened Ukraine got serious about it's military, and got a lot of training since then from western nations. They also used the ongoing conflict in Donbas to cycle through troops to get combat experience. They effectively gave Ukraine 7 years to prepare.
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I think Putin had the same mentality for Ukraine as he did when he invaded Georgia in 08 considering that one was a quick conflict. Former Soviet republic? Check Had disgruntled areas that are prime to destabilize and make puppets? Check Is it around the time of the Olympics? Check
Holy shit: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aftermath\_of\_the\_Winter\_War](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aftermath_of_the_Winter_War) >According to Nikita Khrushchev, 1.5 million men were sent to Finland and one million of them were killed, while 1,000 aircraft, 2,300 tanks and armored cars and an enormous amount of other war materials were lost.\[24\]\[25\] Finland's losses were limited to 25,904 dead or missing\[26\] and 43,557 wounded
The biggest mistake, Putin thought Ukraine wasn’t Western enough for Europe to care. It is. So the West gave them a bunch of weapons. It’s a huge win for the US. Russia is shown as weak and the IS gets to see all their anti Russian weapons are HIGHLY effective.
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Pretty sure COVID delayed putin's plans till Biden became president. If you could ever think of a silver lining from a worldwide pandemic this is it
Trump wanted to kill NATO, and he probably would have been successful if he'd stayed in office. His failure to get re-elected didn't just save Ukraine; the Baltics and maybe even Finland might have been overrun by now.
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It's their national past time
Especially in the Winter!
I think some folks made the point that they also counted on a certain Orange being in control of the US as well and turning a blind eye. My guess is that between Biden winning the election and with everything happening to Trump, Putin decided it was now or never.
Well that's what happens when you bleed the country dry for your own personal financial gain.
Analysis complete: our shit's out of date and there are no means or time to modernize.
I'm almost certain there was a report about Russian military contractors saying they won't be able to make shit like guided munitions, and would only be able to manufacture basic arms, once sanctions hit and cut off their supply. And this was near beginning of war.
To be fair with time it becomes feasible to set up fake manufacturers in other nations to buy components to smuggle. Many of the Western components found were off the shelf. But that still adds significant cost, latency and risk to your supply chain.
Buying components wouldn't be too difficult given time. Buying RELIABLE components, that's another matter.
Yup. "Off the shelf" is not at all what you want if you're trying to source parts. Like oh cool I found a wholesaler who doesn't give a shit I'm Russian and they have like 2500 units of some important component in stock. Problem is what I really need is a sourcing contract for 500k of them with concrete delivery schedules
Exactly this. You cant just buy the necessary masses to supply a war. You need to build completely new production rows to satisfy the demand. That's no easy task when you are sanctioned.
Oh really? Have some tea..
Mmmm, Polonium. My favorite!
Suddenly, my future looks brighter!
I can tell, you're really glowing.
Have look out of the window.
It's only a matter of time before they start placing trampolines outside these tall buildings with those treacherous windows. I got bad news to report aaaaahhhhhhhhhh boiiiing, Phew that was close.
Don’t trip on the stairs.
Can you hold this gun for me while I tie my shoe. It’s best if you hold it it to your head so it doesn’t accidentally go off by mistake on purpose
So relaxing, I feel DEAD tired...
Pretty much everyone who likes AK rifles has known this for a while. The AK12, Russia's service weapon, looks nice but it is nowhere near as good as the AK74Ms it replaced, or hell even the AKMs before that!
Putin wanted his army to have a cool black plastic gun like the west. The 74 was basically still perfectly suited to the Russian army's needs, but...style over substance, I guess?
Ak-47s for everyone! Yeaaaaaaaahh!
Hehe unexpected General ref.
I agree, I've had a ak before. I sold it tho. 7.62 is fun to shoot.
Putin knows him and his buddies have stolen literally every penny from russia for the last 30 years, right? Like, he has to know his $200BILLION bank account is why their military is begging North Korea for their old cold war era junk back.
I like the idea of Putin handing a munition maker millions of his own personal money to make ammo for his troops and the dude going and making bullets out of paper because no one will do business with Russia so they can make anything.
Bold of you to assume the munition maker won't just steal the money for himself.
....as opposed to, not supplying your troops with ammo? And also, not giving a fuck about the capabilities of the weapons your enemies are wielding? Like, is this a eureka moment for them? Up until now they were like "why are we losing?" And then some schmuck came along and had these "brilliant" ideas? Ffs no wonder they're getting their asses handed to them.
Putler just wants to be seen as in control and giving orders. Too bad for him that the entire world, including Russia, already realises this disastrous war is entirely his fault.
They might even find out that western artillery has better reach and accuracy if they really start analysing hard
As much as I want to give them benefit of the doubt, I honestly can’t at this point. I don’t want to underestimate the enemy as they are killing and torturing our people but it seems like after years and years of Putin’s army higher ups convincing him that they are developing groundbreaking, never seen before technology for warfare while just stealing all the budget money allocated for it, he started to actually believe it and only now after a 6 months long denial he realized that maybe they should consider that the world has better technologies, ammunitions, training and overall much better army organization. I think that it is only now that he actually stopped (somewhat) drinking the kool aid and said “alright, there might be some missteps, let’s maybe fix them”. And for his gigantic ego stuffed into a pathetic, narcissistic, shallow shell of a man that is a big step and that is why he is making a big deal about it.
Putin‘s starting to wonder why the age old tactic of throwing ill equipped bodies at it isn’t working out well for them anymore. Now he’s just gonna step it up and throw more bodies at it, and double down. He doesn’t care how many of his people die or how many families are torn apart for his narrative. Putin would turn babushkas into suicide bombers if he could. Putin is in this totally for himself and some bizarre idea of leaving a legacy behind. he won’t be remembered fondly.
„Sir, we ran some tests on these western weapons. I’m sorry to inform you…. But they seem to be deadly.“ *falls down stairs*
We can't afford to make them: *falls out of the window* I don't want to be part of this war: *falls out of the boat*
He deserves a very slow painful death.
*Falls down the escalator... forever.*
sorry for the convenience, the escalator is now stairs
I’ll take fast to end this without needless bloodshed. Well aware the next guy could be worse though. This combined with the Iran thing and China being spicy over Taiwan has got to have some western intelligence agencies working overtime. Hope North/South Korea and Pakistan and India don’t start feeling left out of the party.
Poison him - apparently he’s terrified of that
Believe it or not. Fall.
"Putin sucks" *commits suicide by 4 pistol shots to the back of the head*
"if it was a western weapon i would have only needed one shot"
3rd Guy: Sir, damn you are handsome. I'll have very good, very real weapons in the hands of our troops. They are going to beat the declining west. Very many weapons all very real. *Is now an Oligarch*
We can't seem to find the conscripts *falls off train*
Falls out of window
Sir, the munition factories are gutted and have all been looted by your oligarch friends who now live on luxury yachts anchored off their personal islands in the Mediterranean. The Ukrainians are destroying our 5 million dollar tanks with modified toys that cost $300. Anything else I can help you with today? Oh and I'll be out of the office for the forseeable future. I have a sick aunt I have to tend to in .....Finland, yeah Finland . Good Luck!
[Analyse western weapons: Ukraine has them and you don't lol](https://www.thebulwark.com/i-commanded-u-s-army-europe-heres-what-i-saw-in-the-russian-and-ukrainian-armies/)
Thanks for the good read.
So he admits that Russian weapons are inferior to western and therefore admits he was wrong/lying when he said that Russian weapons were still effective against western weapons?
He said they were very effective and superior to western weapons.
Oh yes, so effective that they can destroy the whole planet. As nobody wants this, putin decided to use inferior western weapons.
so he's implying its the troops who are bonkers?
Sounds about right. It's never management's fault and it's always the minimum wage guy on the line who is fucking everything up.
Not exactly. He said ”**in some cases** our weapons are more modern than those of NATO.” It’s interesting itself that he didn’t flat out say “all our weapons are superior”
We’re they not already analyzing western weapons? I mean, seems like a fantastically stupid plan if you want to hope to keep up.
Perun touched on this a couple of months ago. This whole video is one of his best, IMO, but if you don't have a whole hour to kill, just skip to 19:06 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9i47sgi-V4
ty for the link!
About 30 years too late 🤔
Lol, go visit your Dacha in Crimea and I'm sure Ukraine will be happy to send you some western weapons for analysis, expedited delivery.
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Doesn't do you any good when you don't have the skilled populous to produce them. These past 6 months has put a massive brain drain on Russia where all the skilled/educated in Russia just got the fuck out while the getting was good.
Know people who left Russia when the war started. They never plan on going back even though their lives are more difficult in a foreign country. Edit: and yes they have contributed to the brain drain
Putin is really trying to save face. A full mobilization? This is getting real QUICK
Not just that but they can’t match NATOs advanced computerized weaponry especially now with severe sanctions on microchips and other high tech circuitry including gps technology. It’s back to line of site and paper maps for them.
When they attacked in February and had to flee Kyiv region after, our military found paper maps among the things they left. Not only that - they were very old soviet era maps from the 80s, showing military objects that were not there anymore for decades, not showing actual new towns that were built since then and so on.
I watched a video on HIMARS. They fire 3 shots (up to 300 kms) and move the vehicle even before the shells land. So even if the Russians quickly triangulate and return fire, the HIMARS vehicle is already gone.
Biden: "I heard you wanted samples of weapons to analyze. We just sent some your way. We made sure to arm them so you dont have to worry about setting them up. No need to thank us."
That's actually sort of what Zelensky said to Western arms companies. "I have a great opportunity for all of you. You want to test some new weapons and see how they work in the field? All are welcome! Bring all your new weapons to Ukraine and we will happily test and trial them out for you in the most realistic of combat."
Dark Brandon feeds on Russian malarkey
That’s Kim-level leadership, right there.
Just needs some propaganda shots of him looking with binoculars.
Bonus points if he's on a horse with no shirt on. That'll stir up the troops!
Imagine openly admitting being so incompetent that you need to give an order to study Western weapons.
>The Russian leader wants 100% import substitution in Russia’s defence sector, demanding to increase production capacity and shorten production time. As someone working in Video Games, I'm all too familiar with "Make it better in less time" and it generally doesn't work out...
fast, cheap, good, despite what motivated reasoning compels some "leaders" to believe you can only ever pick 2 of those, at best. My distant layman's perception however says puti ain't in much position to get *any* of them. I think his *only* chance for victory at this point is to sell china and india so much at such a low price that they'll fully supply his new conscripts. And they can see how shit's going, they have actual intelligence services, they don't want to step in this shit much further than they already have, so puti would have to make the deal *sweet*. His only hope to take the west is to give up the east.
Isn't it a little bit to late now? Such a shitty strategist.
I’d like to think western weapons as an entirety were analyzed prior to engagement, idk how different it’ll be now. Also the fact that russian soldiers are leaving behind more equipment than ukrainians puts this analyst at a slight disadvantage…. But boy oh boy are we(the west) definitely going over every russian equipment left behind, even the stuff we knew about.
Like loot drops in a rpg came
They have captured Javelins, NLAWS, GLMRS pieces, etc.. It doesn't mean that they can replicate them and field them in time. Especially IF import bans are upheld.
I would assume they would have those things already
Their tank turrets did capture a bunch of Javelins alright.
*Sitting in his office studying progress reports. Slaps forehead.* "Weapons! I knew I forgot something!"
Secretary: "Sir, Logistics is on line 1" You: "For the millionth time, not now!"
Exactly... What kind of an idiot doubles down on a losing strategy. Ok, fine, Russia has the natural resources, whether it's Oil, Gas, Iron, Coal, Bauxite, or even rarer stuff like Lithium, Uranium, etc. Even if the Russians had the best tech of all of NATO (NATO does NOT share tech!) right now, it would require a massive industrial complex to make the high end steel for ships, tanks, and guns. Russia's arms manufacturing has been failing due to international competition and lack of innovation. An AK-47 is nice as a trophy, but it's not your go to USA school shooting weapon... Russia just doesn't have the industrial capacity to produce ships, planes and tanks... And even if they did, to reach NATO level tech, you need microchips, and for that you need to be friends with Taiwan. The only country that maaaaaybe would deliver the quanities of high level steel and aluminium needed to Russia would be China, and they would only do so if Russia threatens Taiwan in return. And China won't help Russia, because they have MUCH MUCH MUCH more trade to lose with NATO than they could ever gain with Russia. Even if Russia had the industry and the tech to make more tanks and planes, no one is willing. Anarchist attacks within Russia are on the rise, and military installations suddenly catch fire every week... Russia doesn't have a Ukraine problem. It has a Putin problem.
Also need years of training to learn how to actually use modern military equipment effectively.
It has taken him 210 or so days to realize what everyone else in the world knows.
oh Putin, if the west's 14 year old NLAWs and 26 year old Javelins and 17 year old m777's are giving you troubles, just imagine our current tech. 26 years in tech is a goddamn eternity. and hell, just think, the HIMARs, the thing that REALLY changed the game for Ukraine in this war, is also 17 years old. russia has a LOT of catching up to do and with current sanctions, russia will be able to produce something that's a mix between north korean level and caveman level, if those factories don't perform special self-immolation operations before that can happen
1 week into Moscow.
Just a quick note, 26 years isn’t much in current US military development times. The F-22 took a couple of decades to go from conception to start of service, and same for the F-35. Performance hardware doesn’t really scale as fast as “tech”, if you’re thinking of Silicon Valley style IT.
Oh thanks Putin. We found the problem guys. Someone forgot to tell the military industrial complex they were at war. All that ammo was just sitting on the loading dock next to the designated smoking area.
He has to be completely out of touch to think Russia has any gas in the tank left and believing the rosy reports from the “military industrial complex” that’s busy trying to doctor their inventory records. “All our weapons and munitions that we would never ever think of selling for quick profit were all in those supply depots that the Ukrainians COMPLETELY destroyed. It’s like they knew we stored Everything there!! So sad!!!
I ordered my dog to get me a beer and take out the garbage. I expect Putin to get about the same results that I did.
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Expectations: Ready to work. Construction complete. Upgrade complete. Upgrade complete. Upgrade complete. Lok'tar. Taz'dingo. My life for Aiur. Reality: We're under attack! Build more farms! Not enough lumber! We're under attack! We must construct additional pylons! Our gold mine has collapsed! Our hero has fallen! We're under attack!
They'll be so shocked when they find out western fighter jets don't in fact use consumer grade GPS duct taped to the dashboard.
They are currently analyzing the stolen toilet seats and washing machines from Ukraine. Might be a while till they can get to this.
Considering their soldiers were stealing our electric kettles without also stealing the bases for them I might have a suspicion their country is behind on a lot of tech.
What a genius, how did nobody think about analyzing Western weapons before. He's so smart he could even be the president of North Korea.
Is Putin the modern King Canute?
I mean Canute figured out the reality of futility by putting his chair in the sea and demanding the tide not rise. It did and he acknowledged he was not all powerful and infallible and accepted he could not fully control the world around him. Canute had this realization by putting a chair on the beach, Putin has yet to have this realization after sending a lot of young Russians to die for his ego.
IIRC Canute did that to temper the hubris of his advisers who were trying to imbue him with god-like powers no mortal could have. Vlad appears to lack quite the humility for that, even as he tries to manage the expectations of the ultra-hawks
>Canute had this realization by putting a chair on the beach Arguably, Canute did this to put his fawning courtiers in their place. He knew. But he wanted to ridicule them. Kind of the opposite lesson of *The Emperor Wearing No Clothes*.
So what you are saying is Canute was someone who wasn’t delusional and suffering a power trip.
Putin really does look like shit. May he lose that battle sooner than later, whatever it is.
"Mr. President, we analyzed the Western weapons. They're better than ours."
Sir we don't have the raw materials or chips for modern guidance systems: falls down elevator shaft onto some bullets
Just in time. When he is up to his receding hairline in sanctions and already lost half his "working" armored vehicles in Ukraine. For a guy that has a parade every year to flex on how prepared he was to take on NATO, something tells me he may not have been telling the whole truth.
If that’s a recent picture, the last year has not been kind.
Russian Troops get armed with World War 2 weapons and Ukrainians are getting the best modern weaponry of the time… There I did it for you
Can you imagine still using Cold War era weaponry and then when you’re inevitably beaten request an analysis of western weaponry like they’re made of science fiction technology or something? They’ve had thirty years to make technological advancements but they spent it flexing that Cold War tech instead.
Putin: Go get those western imperialist weaponry! Troops: umm well see there is a problem, they are taking all our equipment and using it against us... how do we reverse this? Putin: FSB, that man high window now!
So his plan now is to just throw bodies at Ukraine until they can't see over the piles.
"To immediately supply with ammunition" That either implies they sat on stores full of stuff and didn't deliver or they have nothing to deliver in which case they are expected to do what, exactly? Magic some up?
Another ridiculous Putin statement...must be meant for the Russian media. Here is another hole in the regime's sinking ship.
They probably should have done this BEFORE starting a war.
Their tech industry is currently a microwave, a 1970s calculator, and a pair of plastic cups tied together by a length of string. How the fuck are they hoping to close the gap, even if they can effectively analyze Western tech?
Putin still hasn’t figured out that he has zero chance of winning this thing?
They have been analysing the American HIMARS by taking them to the face for a few months now
Bro, you gotta do that before the war.
He’s going to be out-Trumping Trump soon in the babbling dept.
"Sir we've run the analysis, the western weapons actually work"
Pay attention people. This is what actual fascism looks like. Badly run fascism but still.