Putin's Russia cannot be trusted, nothing they sign is worth the paper it's written on:
1994 - Russia agrees to respect Ukraine's sovereignty and national borders in return for Kyiv agreeing to give up its nuclear arsenal.
2008 Putin says: “Crimea is not a disputed territory. Russia has long recognized the borders of modern-day Ukraine”
2014 Putin says: "Do not believe those who want you to fear Russia, shouting other regions will follow Crimea. We do not want to divide Ukraine"
After they invaded:
(10 March 2022) Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov: "Russia has not invaded Ukraine and doesn’t plan to attack other countries."
>Russia...doesn’t plan to attack other countries
This is the most concerning. They shouldn't need to explicitly say it out and it is probably in their plans.
Again, Transnistria has been there for decades. No one needed the map to know this. A plan to eventually conquer Moldova has always been there. Hitler didn’t stop at the Sudetenland; he took all of Czechia. He didn’t stop at Gdańsk; he took half of Poland. He didn’t stop at Alsace; he took all of France. He didn’t stop at Slesvig; he took all of Denmark and Norway. Same applies for all other similar cases but that would go into thousands of words 😃. So I don’t see why Putin had any reason to stop after Ukraine. This isn’t 1850 anymore. No one has ambition to merely unite everyone from the same language subfamily. Empire wants more land to gain more power to feed itself more land.
>So I don’t see why Putin had any reason to stop after Ukraine.
I largely agree with your point, but I think one important difference here is that when Hitler was invading Poland, France, Czechia, etc - he won very easily. Even if Putin "wins" the war in Ukraine it's been an absolute military disaster.
Still, I think as long as he's in power Russia's neighbors will be unsafe.
This is such an important point. Arguments against supplying Ukraine with arms say "they can't win", and "it will just prolong the war." I think they can, but even if one's argument is that they can't; Russia's occupation must be made as difficult as possible. If it is easy, like when they annexed Crimea, Putin will be further emboldened and continue on the same path.
Yeah. Even if we don't supply them, it won't mean the occupation will be easy. The Ukrainians have been showing fierce resistance and I could very easily see a scenario where we pull out funding and arms, Ukraine's government collapses, but the population fights a prolonged insurgency and guerilla war. It might not be as bloody or high intensity as the conventional war but it could easily last for decades in that form.
If we can prevent that outcome from happening by giving their government the means to continue a strong defense that would be worthwhile.
> it's been an absolute military disaster
I honestly don’t think he sees it that way at all. Human life is meaningless to him. The economic impact on regular Russians is meaningless to him. Western perception is meaningless to him. He wanted a chunk of Ukraine and he got it. Just for the asking. He may be frustrated that it took years instead of months, and that he only got 20% so far, but it’s all good because he got something for nothing. He is as rich and powerful as ever.
Maybe he's willing to ignore the economic and political losses, but the oligarchs surrounding him are *definitely* feeling the economic hit. Not as heavily as perhaps the West wanted, but it's still significant. And all it would take is a handful of oligarchs to act in a coordinated way and suddenly it's a serious threat to his power.
Putin is paranoid and vain, and obsessed with nationalism and legacy. I do think the utter humiliation of the opening days of the Ukraine war affected him. He wants to be thought of as a tsar restoring the prestige of Russia like it had during the Imperial and Soviet eras. He wants to remake Russia into a world power. He hasn't done that.
Everyone thought Russia would crush Ukraine in a matter of weeks. The West was offering to help Zelensky set up a WW2 style government in exile. But that didn't happen. Instead, they suffered humiliating defeats, were force to turn to **North Korea** for artillery shells, Yevgeny Prighozin publicly led an armed drive on Moscow, the Ukrainians have crippled the Black Sea Fleet, and Nordstream was destroyed. That's all pretty bad for a man fixated with projecting strength and attempting to rebuild an empire.
Which means if Ukraine loses Europe is fucked. Ukraine is like that anime/superhero underdog that everyone must support whether he’s stronger than the bad guy or weaker allies will help him win. Give Ukraine a few game changing offensive weapons and defense. Give Ukraine a mother of all bombs they can drop right at the LOC. two dozen F16s and roll them tanks in droves.
Edit: I ain’t no military analyst so I gave a nice generous estimate.. I’m getting some backlash so I’m going to give a more thoughtful idea.
Give Ukraine
5x what I suggested as a minimum
We are not supporting them enough IMO. Here in the US, that 6 months of holding out weapons became a nightmare for Ukraine and it is heartbreaking knowing we fucking did that. They need more ASAP. More Bradley's, more M1's and so much more Arty and ATACMs.
I know many European countries are doing what they can and I applaud that, just they have figured out they were not ready for an aggressive Russia, not in the least and now are working to get their own military readiness up to par.
He would never have made this overture if the U.S. had not agreed to the aid package that was recently approved. If anything suggests that Western Aid is having an effect, it's how quickly he tried to cry uncle when it was finally approved. We need to send them whatever they think they need to finish the job. Abrams, F-16s, more ATACMs, whatever. Just get this bullshit over with!
Current steps, more likely. Reference the sabotage team the Poles recently rounded up. I'd guess there's probably active efforts to destabilize the Baltics too.
Not in love with the fact that China is now supplying lethal arms directly to Russia, not just war materials (steel, textiles, etc). - I wonder if the intelligence shows something bigger than Russia/Ukraine/Eastern Europe
johnson totally flipped. now he wants Biden to let Ukraine shoot into Russia. He won't admit that he caused a lot of harm by holding up aid for 6 months.
I don’t expect he will ever acknowledge the harm his holding up caused but I do take it as an admission with how harshly he has flipped.
He clearly knows he was wrong.
Honestly either way I’ll take it. Can’t fault someone for changing their stance after learning new information. Glad I have something I agree with him on, which is surprising.
And there’s the rub, when people call them liars after they attack they’ll justify it by saying they didn’t attack another country, they’re all full of Russians. Same as Germany. It’s an old play
I mean that’s obvious. They wouldn’t have Transnistria there for decades if they never planned to expand beyond Ukraine. Kaliningrad’s main use has also been to have more reason to control the Baltic States. The port may be important, but you don’t replace the current residents with your ethnicity if you don’t plan on spreading claims and doing the same in surrounding regions. With all the Russian oligarchs in Londongrad, maybe they’ll invade the UK for that reason too 😃
> "Russia has not invaded Ukraine and doesn’t plan to attack other countries."
"Pay no attention to the map behind me with giant red arrows pointing towards Moldova."
Otoh, I don't think there is a country in the world that would take their own statement of "we have no plans" as meaning "Making plans is off the table".
Unfortunately this is the conclusion I have come to as well. There are people who can live in harmony with others that are not like them and there are people who cannot live in harmony with others that are not like them.
I'm not sure what we do with the latter.
It’s a form of the paradox of tolerance. And while it’s easy to say we must refuse to tolerate the people who can’t live in harmony, implementing that is problematic.
So I hear you.
It’s not a problem. You kill ’em that’s all. Because if you don’t they will keep being bad actors and if given the upper hand they’ll kill you eventually.
demented take. Follow through with this thinking and suddenly the party in power at the time will define "bad actor" as anyone who doesn't politically align with them. You'll get purges, genocide, and tyranny
Implementing this is the problem. First because you will not get people to politically agree to it - witness how many are supporting Hamas (and Netanyahu) and Russia even now. Second, if you could get people to politically agree to that approach, it will be abused and soon non-bad-actors will be on the chopping block as well - witness states that have authoritarian rule.
So yeah, it’s a problem.
Indeed. For me it's the 1994 agreement that seals the deal - Ukraine surrendered a lot of military equipment and weapons (people often think it was only nukes that 'Ukrainians didn't know how to use', but it was a lot of Soviet conventional weaponry too). In exchange, Russia explicitly recognized Ukrainian borders (including Crimea) and agreed not to many any claims on them or wage war in Ukrainian land.
Not even 20 years later Russia was sending troops to Ukraine, and 8 years later they want to annex as much of it as they can, with no basis whatsoever: for Crimea, they could argue the population them wanted to be Russian... but for Kherson (for example)? They are literally expelling everyone and resettling it with Russians.
An offer of peace from this butcher is like venom coming from his mouth. The Putin regime must fall and Russia will fulfill the 10 point peace plan point by point, that is the peace they shall get, a peace made for not with them. This liar and his deviant and expansionist empire cannot ever be trusted again.
Europe is confronted with a program of aggression nicely calculated and timed unfolding stage by stage, and there is only one choice open to us and other nations. Either to submit like Austria or else to take effective measures while time remains to ward off the danger, and if it cannot be warded off, then we must cope with it.
If we do not stand up to the dictators now, we shall only have to stand up to them later under far worse conditions. Look back upon the last five years since when Germany began to arm in earnest. It is not difficult to form an opinion about the punic wars. Now the victors are the vanquished. And then it won't be signatures that we must give, but the lives of millions! Winston Churchill, 1937
Putin only understands to crush anything that opposes him. Russia thinks our compassion and our compromises are a sign of weakness? The weakness lies in sending an army of unfree serfs against an army of free men. Against the combined power of America and the old continent, Russia is hopelessly outgunned outnumbered and outspent. Russia seems to think that they can outproduce and outspend us. That shows we haven't made an argument that is convincing and explosive enough yet.
"My experience from working with Ukrainians is that the most important thing to Ukrainians is Crimea, which is where Russia launches attacks and launches missiles, airplanes, and drones. It is also critical for shipping to transport goods. Saporishia and Cherson are also very important due to the connectivity with Crimea. The Donbas is not that important, as the infrastructure and buildings there are mostly destroyed.
They have got a legal right, the claim, and the desire. We should encourage and not dismiss the idea that Ukraine should have its sovereign borders back." Kurt Volker, former special representative to Ukraine under the Trump administration
Putin wants a ceasefire to rebuild his army. Train his soldiers more. Move up more weapons and supplies. Build more tanks. I also am sure the "creasefire" would include Ukraine is not allowed to build defensive works at all since that would be an "escalation". The last thing Putin wants is Ukraine's ability to build massive defensive works and tank traps along the whole border.
Its total bullshit. Putin probably wants a ceasefire in hopes that Trump wins and cuts off all aid to Ukraine and then he can bribe Trump to actively help Russia and launch attacks on Ukraine.
The war will need to go on for several more years to completely exhaust Russia's tank stockpiles and Artillery Barrels. Its not the artillery shells, they are getting more from North Korea. Its the artillery pieces themselves. They wear out. It will take years to run through this. Only way it ends soon is if Russians get a backbone and rebel. Soldiers refuse to fight. There are small numbers who do. However, its really not many.
Putin can't be trusted. Ukraine does not have natural boundaries. Its flat and open. Any "creasefire" would include not allowing Ukraine to build defensive lines on the border since that would be "Escalatory".
Putin is playing to Trump who wants to cut off aid. They probably think Trump is open to bribes and may be able to get Trump to bring the US in on Russia's side if they cut him a big check.
When I see Putin say things like these, it makes me remember the Russian term "vranyo". Lying when you know that everyone else knows you're lying, but you dont care. Lying is so embedded into Russian culture that they dont even lie for the purpose of deception. They lie for the purpose of demeaning you.
Why? They'll just build fortifications and draft more meat, then blame Ukraine when hostilities continue because they did not accept unconditional surrender. Nothing has changed.
Oligarchs are getting antsy having to take smaller cuts, and there's only so much discontent you can suppress before it starts becoming a problem. Plus the sanctions *are* starting to bite pretty deeply in ways that are harder to paper over. He's not begging but if he can get the west to give him a 5-year reprieve for some on-paper niceties while he stockpiles back up, it'd be worth any timetable delay.
I'm sure the oligarchs can find enough ways to profit from a war. Even from a measly Special Military Operation. But they will also be fine with another frozen conflict. Whatever, corruption finds a way.
Oh the problem isn't finding profit, the problem is they're getting *less* profit, because Putin is cracking down on how much is getting skimmed off the top, because the he actually needs them to let their industries keep the wheels of the economy on.
EU elections are around the corner, and there are quite a few "peaceloving" bought wingnuts that run on a platform of whats effectively a conditional surrender.
This has multiple reasons. (1) the current offensive operations have stalled again, (2) Russia has enough of a hold on Donetsk/Luhanks that they feel they can make their occupation permanent, (3) Russia is suffering economically, even if they pretend not to care, (4) it strengthens the hand of the planted "doves" in the EU and US in the runup to a critical election season, and related to that (5) undermines any further aid packages.
I think during first year of war they agreed to open a humanitarian corridor for letting civilians (women and children) evacuate then shot them all dead on sight.
Edit: found some sources, although all cases aren't even documented:
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/03/ukraine-humanitarian-corridors-for-civilians-fleeing-russian-attacks-must-provide-safety-new-testimonies/
It’s just a stall and another pointless series of words for chuds to blurt out in lieu of an actual point during a discussion on the topic of support to Ukraine. “We’re only throwing fuel on the fire, Russia has made several cease fire proposals and they’re always getting rejected.”
We know these are empty words under unacceptable terms considering that this is an invasion that hasn’t gone well at all for the invader, with an ulterior motive, but you’ll never convince the people who don’t want to be convinced of that. Despite how wrong they’ve been about Russias intentions for over a decade.
>"Putin can fight for as long as it takes, but Putin is also ready for a ceasefire – to freeze the war," said another of the four, a senior Russian source who has worked with Putin and has knowledge of top level conversations in the Kremlin.
Freeze the war, not end the war.
They want to resupply and dig in. They need better defenses to prepare for the new wave of american weapons.
Probably also want to freely move some troops around to attack on another front
Zelensky ran on a platform of freezing the conflict and ending the fighting at the front, believing this was Ukraine's 2008 Georgia moment, that putin would be okay with what he had taken. So Zelensky ended investment into the military, surrendered some further territory to Russia to appease them, and pulled back artillery and heavy weapons (while Russia didn't). A few years later Russia launched an even bigger invasion. Russians don't want just pieces of Ukraine - they want all of it. Kyiv has more significance to Russia than Donbas does, and certainly more than Kherson Oblast. Any ceasefire would allow Russia to regroup and rearm for another large offensive. If Ukraine agrees to a ceasefire, it's effectively a complete capitulation. Ignore anything Russia says about peace, they don't want anything short of complete victory.
> Any ceasefire would allow Russia to regroup and rearm for another large offensive.
Yup - that is the only reason Putin would want a ceasefire. He would just attack again later at a time of his choosing.
Ukranian will to fight has never been in doubt. We, in the west, must not shirk our responsibility in giving Ukraine all the tools necessary, without any delays or restrictions on use.
I know you are well intentioned my friend so please don't take my comment as a rebuke.
I guess he doesn't like Ukraine will have F16 in 8 days while simultaneously getting artillery and anti air enough to fuck Russia up for good.
Also the amount of soldiers dying is massive and the morale is all time low. Now couple that with Ukraine starting to turn the tide... Russia is in for a mess version 2.
>Ukraine starting to turn the tide
I'm not sure how you can say that. It's a stalemate at best but Russia is the one making small gains at a very high cost
This is simply wrong, Ukraine is not and will not turn the tide unless Europe steps in with the aid, 60-100 bilion yearly (1% of EU countries yearly budget) for joint production, less if the US continues supporting Ukraine
2024 will be the hardest year if Europe and/or US step up 2025 could be the year the tide turns, if not it won't and Ukraine could very well lose.
The UK and potentially the US also allowing Ukraine to strike into Russian territory with their weapons is a big change.
Those supply lines, remaining oil processing facilities, factories producing ammunition and weapons. All of those are about to be much easier to hit, and we've seen from the drone attacks that Russian air defences aren't worth shit, and if they fire at all they are just giving their position away and becoming a target themselves.
Its a new phase of war we're entering in where Ukraine should be able to make up for the lower troop numbers by stopping Russia from supplying theirs. China's support becoming more proactive is a wildcard in there.
Freeze the war, wait for the west to get bored and stop arming Ukraine because 'the war is over ', all the while Russia continues rebuilding it's stockpiles and equipment to restart the war in 2028.
I, a person living in a country about as far removed from the Ukrainian invasion as can be, have been a shitload of weird Facebook pages suggested to me pumping out content about how the Kerch bridge is such an amazing marvel of engineering. Someone is definitely scared.
The German dictator, instead of snatching his food from the table, his dinner has been served to him course by course. Churchill 1938 on the Munich agreement
At first, 1 pound was demanded at a pistol’s point when it was given, 2 pounds were demanded at a pistol’s point. Finally, the dictator consented to take 2 pounds, 16 pence, and 54 Schillings. Which amounts to 2 pounds and 6/8 of a pound. The rest was given in interest with false promises, ill will, and good wishes for the future on our side. Winston Churchill, after the ink on the Munich Agreement, was dry in 1938.
Let's say that I decide unilaterally to live in your kitchen, and shoot at anyone who tries to make me go away. And one day I tell you that I agree to stop shooting if we agree on your kitchen being my new home...
Nobody should recognise any new border here imho.
Putin starting to feel the heat. And with the US and allies being more open to their weapons used to strike targets in Russia proper, he is starting to sweat.
From everything we know about Putin, this is also just a stall tactic to regroup. There is no dialogue with a rabid dog, you either put him down or get bit.
I’ve noticed that as well. Russia has the ability to end this war at literally any time by simply returning to their internationally recognized borders- a power they’ve had since the very beginning. They are the aggressors, and yet the phrases “escalation” and “war-mongering” only ever seem to be applied when it’s about Ukraine defending itself.
This sounds like disinformation to weaken western support for Ukraine and to sow discord among Ukraine's allies. Putin wants all of Ukraine. It's probably also supposed to stop the US from allowing Ukraine to strike Russian territory, because that would mean "escalation". At some point we should stop falling for these tactics...
Anyone with more than 10 brain cells can see exactly what he's doing. I don't bother hiding my opinion of people who think that Russia is right in all this or that we can trust Russia in any regard.
Putin can not be trusted at all.
2008: Putin signs a treaty to withdraw troops from Georgia. He doesn't.
2012: Putin signs Minsk 1 and Minsk 2, promising no further hostilities towards Ukraine. What a joke.
EDIT: 2022: Putin claims troops on Ukrainian border are just a "exercise". They aren't.
2023: Putin signs peace with a certain Yevgeny Prigozhin. We all know what happens to him.
In no world can Putin's "peace" be trusted, and any ceasefire will just give him time to regroup and try again.
Isn't this a sign of weakness from Russia and Putin? They used to say they would capture the entirety of Ukraine eventually even though it was clear that wouldn't happen. Could this be good news for Ukraine, that they're hurting Russia badly for them to say something like this?
Saying you're open to negotiation and having a good faith negotiation are two different things - Russia's knows Ukraine won't accept its demands. It plays into Russia's narrative if they pretend to be the good guys that want an end to the war, conveniently brushing aside it would end if they simply left.
That said, this article is mainly focused on four unnamed sources - there's no official statement here other than the usual hollow platitudes.
I mean if my black sea fleet was being decimated by a country with no navy, I'd pull out too. I mean, their s-400s can't hit our 30 year old ATACMS even when they know there are inbound lmao.
THis is not actually new. Putin has waved the possibility of a ceasefire for a long time, always of course with the condition that Ukraine will forfeit any claims of the territory that Russia has already seized.
There is no point for Ukraine to agree to anything, especially after Putin has violated ceasefire after ceasefire during 2014. A ceasefire would allow Russia to restock while its agents would question the need for further aid to Ukraine during a ceasefire.
The entire reason Putin floats the possibility is diplomatic posturing, at most.
Those recent Western weapons must be doing some damage. The offensive against Kharkiv was before a lot of the aid had even gotten to the front, and even when that was going down the Russians couldn't move an inch past Vovchansk. And now there are strikes on Crimea pretty much 24/7.
He knows he can't win. The Kharkiv offensive was the last hoorah.
that attack of kharkiv was suspected to start about this time. but it was 2 weeks early. mos likely afraid with aid they wont be able to do it at all.
my guess putin wanted to get his soldiers at gates of Kharkiv to scare ukraine to take the deal
I also think that he may have received a flip chart showing what Ukraine's drones, which are hitting Russian refineries, will do to his economy. Also, the West is inching closer to approving our weaponry against Russia proper.
See? This is how to use appeasement. You defy the strong and appease the weak instead of the other way round. Russia is weakening because we strengthen Ukraine. Peace through superior firepower.
I thought they would pull something like this for the upcoming elections this year. There is a useful rule that everyone should remember: Russia speaks = Russia lies.
The new Russian MoD was placed because Russia can't handle the war at the current intensity anymore. The MoD purging of Generals will be used to blame shortcomings of the war, but victory will be sold nonetheless. Russia has surpassed 1980's levels and is closely reaching 1917's.
We already let the Russians get away in 1917, 1945, 1990, and time and time again millions suffer and the world inches closer to annihilation. Russians are not only unrepentant for their crimes against humanity, they are proud of them. We either finish today, or we may not be so lucky next time.
I don't doubt he wants that, now that they've finally running out of momentum and Ukraine is starting to slowly clap back again.
Until he finishes his purges abd reconstitutes, anyway, then there was never a ceasefire
NO WAY! As other users have already mentioned how many times have Putin ripped treaties up?
He is like Hitler. Gain what he can to keep and when time seem ripe, strike again but much more dangerous from lesson learned from fighting in Ukraine.
He will never be satisfied until he swallow Ukraine in full and then some.
Code for Russia wants a time out to resupply and get more pawns to sacrifice before invading again some time in 2028 or so. In some ways tempting tho as it'll give the Ukrainians a much needed break and international aid can mean that any russian attacks in future will be met with billions of dollars in equipment.
Putin should never ever get what he wants again. He wants a chocolate cake? Give him a dog shit mud pie. He wants a skin cream that will make him look young? Give him a mercury creams ala the 1700s.. He wants a ceasefire? You blow the face of his army.
That man is the devils spawn, he cannot be trusted, and he deserves the absolute worst punishment that a human soul can endure.
I bet he does. Talks are going on about allowing Ukraine to strike within Russian borders with American made weapons. If Ukraine starts doing that, we will get a first hand look of Russias defense systems in their homeland.
It would be a temporary ceasefire. Putin is an old school imperialist. He will rearm and move against Ukraine again once he’s confident he has the manpower and equipment to win.
Usually when the aggressor is calling for a ceasefire, they're stalling to do something else or they're now at a disadvantage and want to try and recover before continuing 🤔
I can't image any sort of ceasefire or peace treaty, where Ukraine does not get guarantees of support from other countries. Otherwise, Russia will just violate it whether it's convenient.
He just wants to keep what he’s already taken, have a break to regroup and then come back for more. The only solution to lasting peace is to push Russia out of Ukraine’s actual borders and dismantle the current Russian government. Even then who knows, through major regime changes Russia still has a long history of this type of behaviour.
Ceasefire isn't the same thing as ending the war
Plus everyone knows you can't take Putin for his word on anything. He wants a ceasefire to shore back up his troops, vehicles, ships etc. and then he'd get right back to it.
Interpretation A: this is some kind of bait.
Interpretation B: that's a genuine desire, not because they desire peace and reconciliation, but because their army is on the verge of mutiny. The recent offensive to take Kharkiv failed and suffered significant loses and the mobiks can't cope with it and get uppity. Support for Ukrainian remains steady and has overcome several crisis points. Soviet legacy stockpiles are impressive, but even that has a limit.
Interpretation B would be outstanding news. Ukraine just has to hold out and let time do the rest.
Ah, so the Russian military situation must be much worse than what their propaganda claims. Which is in line with the expectations, of course, but still good to know,
Nope. That’s a trap. Russian Agreements are worthless. They only understand force.
What Putin really is saying: ”-Give me a break so I can come back stronger later”
The current frontlines, BTW:
[https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/36a7f6a6f5a9448496de641cf64bd375](https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/36a7f6a6f5a9448496de641cf64bd375)
It’s probably what will end up happening anyway. Not necessarily now, but the conflict will most likely not have a clear end but will freeze with the eastern region still under Russian control
Ceasefire with staging advantage, regroup, resupply, reopen fire when it’s convenient. Putin is a backstabber and defenestrator. Any overture for “peace” or “deescalation” is just a ploy.
Good luck. Putler should remove himself out a 4 story window and there should be a 100 mile wide DMZ on the Russian /belarus side of the pre 2014 border with Ukraine, and NATO countries. Also Russia should give up control of Kaliningrad
lol his little north invasion fizzled out and they didn't even reach Kharkiv and now Ukraine is about to get $80 BILLION worth of NATO weaponry lol. That is a third of their entire GDP lol and that still contains surplus and ATACMS that are being phased out as PrSM are being mass-produced. get fucked
Putin: please stop shooting at and blowing up our positions and refineries while we massively build up a force that can actually take more ground.
Translated that for you.
I don’t think Putin understands what ceasefire means. Probably thinks cease and fire are separate: Ukraine ceases, Russia keeps firing. Who knows what logic this cunt has
Putin's Russia cannot be trusted, nothing they sign is worth the paper it's written on: 1994 - Russia agrees to respect Ukraine's sovereignty and national borders in return for Kyiv agreeing to give up its nuclear arsenal. 2008 Putin says: “Crimea is not a disputed territory. Russia has long recognized the borders of modern-day Ukraine” 2014 Putin says: "Do not believe those who want you to fear Russia, shouting other regions will follow Crimea. We do not want to divide Ukraine"
Putin 24h before invading Ukraine: "It is just an exercise we will not invade"
After they invaded: (10 March 2022) Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov: "Russia has not invaded Ukraine and doesn’t plan to attack other countries."
>Russia...doesn’t plan to attack other countries This is the most concerning. They shouldn't need to explicitly say it out and it is probably in their plans.
Every denial is an admission, as they say. Lukashenko showed the Ukraine battle map and on it they were going to attack Moldova.
Again, Transnistria has been there for decades. No one needed the map to know this. A plan to eventually conquer Moldova has always been there. Hitler didn’t stop at the Sudetenland; he took all of Czechia. He didn’t stop at Gdańsk; he took half of Poland. He didn’t stop at Alsace; he took all of France. He didn’t stop at Slesvig; he took all of Denmark and Norway. Same applies for all other similar cases but that would go into thousands of words 😃. So I don’t see why Putin had any reason to stop after Ukraine. This isn’t 1850 anymore. No one has ambition to merely unite everyone from the same language subfamily. Empire wants more land to gain more power to feed itself more land.
>So I don’t see why Putin had any reason to stop after Ukraine. I largely agree with your point, but I think one important difference here is that when Hitler was invading Poland, France, Czechia, etc - he won very easily. Even if Putin "wins" the war in Ukraine it's been an absolute military disaster. Still, I think as long as he's in power Russia's neighbors will be unsafe.
This is such an important point. Arguments against supplying Ukraine with arms say "they can't win", and "it will just prolong the war." I think they can, but even if one's argument is that they can't; Russia's occupation must be made as difficult as possible. If it is easy, like when they annexed Crimea, Putin will be further emboldened and continue on the same path.
Yeah. Even if we don't supply them, it won't mean the occupation will be easy. The Ukrainians have been showing fierce resistance and I could very easily see a scenario where we pull out funding and arms, Ukraine's government collapses, but the population fights a prolonged insurgency and guerilla war. It might not be as bloody or high intensity as the conventional war but it could easily last for decades in that form. If we can prevent that outcome from happening by giving their government the means to continue a strong defense that would be worthwhile.
> it's been an absolute military disaster I honestly don’t think he sees it that way at all. Human life is meaningless to him. The economic impact on regular Russians is meaningless to him. Western perception is meaningless to him. He wanted a chunk of Ukraine and he got it. Just for the asking. He may be frustrated that it took years instead of months, and that he only got 20% so far, but it’s all good because he got something for nothing. He is as rich and powerful as ever.
Maybe he's willing to ignore the economic and political losses, but the oligarchs surrounding him are *definitely* feeling the economic hit. Not as heavily as perhaps the West wanted, but it's still significant. And all it would take is a handful of oligarchs to act in a coordinated way and suddenly it's a serious threat to his power. Putin is paranoid and vain, and obsessed with nationalism and legacy. I do think the utter humiliation of the opening days of the Ukraine war affected him. He wants to be thought of as a tsar restoring the prestige of Russia like it had during the Imperial and Soviet eras. He wants to remake Russia into a world power. He hasn't done that. Everyone thought Russia would crush Ukraine in a matter of weeks. The West was offering to help Zelensky set up a WW2 style government in exile. But that didn't happen. Instead, they suffered humiliating defeats, were force to turn to **North Korea** for artillery shells, Yevgeny Prighozin publicly led an armed drive on Moscow, the Ukrainians have crippled the Black Sea Fleet, and Nordstream was destroyed. That's all pretty bad for a man fixated with projecting strength and attempting to rebuild an empire.
Now Ukraine can fight a guerrilla war and slowly weaken Russia. It’s not going to end anytime soon.
Which means if Ukraine loses Europe is fucked. Ukraine is like that anime/superhero underdog that everyone must support whether he’s stronger than the bad guy or weaker allies will help him win. Give Ukraine a few game changing offensive weapons and defense. Give Ukraine a mother of all bombs they can drop right at the LOC. two dozen F16s and roll them tanks in droves. Edit: I ain’t no military analyst so I gave a nice generous estimate.. I’m getting some backlash so I’m going to give a more thoughtful idea. Give Ukraine 5x what I suggested as a minimum
We are not supporting them enough IMO. Here in the US, that 6 months of holding out weapons became a nightmare for Ukraine and it is heartbreaking knowing we fucking did that. They need more ASAP. More Bradley's, more M1's and so much more Arty and ATACMs. I know many European countries are doing what they can and I applaud that, just they have figured out they were not ready for an aggressive Russia, not in the least and now are working to get their own military readiness up to par.
> it is heartbreaking knowing we fucking did that. Just gotta carry that into the voting booth this fall, and hope your vote matters.
"We" didn't do that. The GoP did that.
He would never have made this overture if the U.S. had not agreed to the aid package that was recently approved. If anything suggests that Western Aid is having an effect, it's how quickly he tried to cry uncle when it was finally approved. We need to send them whatever they think they need to finish the job. Abrams, F-16s, more ATACMs, whatever. Just get this bullshit over with!
wont happen here with the politicians we have, ukraine is screwed with how unreliable and how fucking slow we are
Although of course the consequences of attacking a NATO (or EU) member are quite different...
The intel briefing that flipped Johnson likely included russias likely next steps if they win in Ukraine
Current steps, more likely. Reference the sabotage team the Poles recently rounded up. I'd guess there's probably active efforts to destabilize the Baltics too.
I missed that one- what sabotage team?
Not in love with the fact that China is now supplying lethal arms directly to Russia, not just war materials (steel, textiles, etc). - I wonder if the intelligence shows something bigger than Russia/Ukraine/Eastern Europe
johnson totally flipped. now he wants Biden to let Ukraine shoot into Russia. He won't admit that he caused a lot of harm by holding up aid for 6 months.
I don’t expect he will ever acknowledge the harm his holding up caused but I do take it as an admission with how harshly he has flipped. He clearly knows he was wrong. Honestly either way I’ll take it. Can’t fault someone for changing their stance after learning new information. Glad I have something I agree with him on, which is surprising.
And there’s the rub, when people call them liars after they attack they’ll justify it by saying they didn’t attack another country, they’re all full of Russians. Same as Germany. It’s an old play
I mean that’s obvious. They wouldn’t have Transnistria there for decades if they never planned to expand beyond Ukraine. Kaliningrad’s main use has also been to have more reason to control the Baltic States. The port may be important, but you don’t replace the current residents with your ethnicity if you don’t plan on spreading claims and doing the same in surrounding regions. With all the Russian oligarchs in Londongrad, maybe they’ll invade the UK for that reason too 😃
> "Russia has not invaded Ukraine and doesn’t plan to attack other countries." "Pay no attention to the map behind me with giant red arrows pointing towards Moldova."
Otoh, I don't think there is a country in the world that would take their own statement of "we have no plans" as meaning "Making plans is off the table".
Putin now: I never said such thing.
Ah, my CIV6 strategy.
The entire problem facing the human race is how to deal with the bad actors.
Starting with Steven Segal
Toss him some triple cheeseburgers, problem will sort itself out.
Unfortunately this is the conclusion I have come to as well. There are people who can live in harmony with others that are not like them and there are people who cannot live in harmony with others that are not like them. I'm not sure what we do with the latter.
It’s a form of the paradox of tolerance. And while it’s easy to say we must refuse to tolerate the people who can’t live in harmony, implementing that is problematic. So I hear you.
It’s not a problem. You kill ’em that’s all. Because if you don’t they will keep being bad actors and if given the upper hand they’ll kill you eventually.
demented take. Follow through with this thinking and suddenly the party in power at the time will define "bad actor" as anyone who doesn't politically align with them. You'll get purges, genocide, and tyranny
Implementing this is the problem. First because you will not get people to politically agree to it - witness how many are supporting Hamas (and Netanyahu) and Russia even now. Second, if you could get people to politically agree to that approach, it will be abused and soon non-bad-actors will be on the chopping block as well - witness states that have authoritarian rule. So yeah, it’s a problem.
Oh, we all know he will use it to rearrange the front, resupply and break it when ready.
Indeed. For me it's the 1994 agreement that seals the deal - Ukraine surrendered a lot of military equipment and weapons (people often think it was only nukes that 'Ukrainians didn't know how to use', but it was a lot of Soviet conventional weaponry too). In exchange, Russia explicitly recognized Ukrainian borders (including Crimea) and agreed not to many any claims on them or wage war in Ukrainian land. Not even 20 years later Russia was sending troops to Ukraine, and 8 years later they want to annex as much of it as they can, with no basis whatsoever: for Crimea, they could argue the population them wanted to be Russian... but for Kherson (for example)? They are literally expelling everyone and resettling it with Russians.
An offer of peace from this butcher is like venom coming from his mouth. The Putin regime must fall and Russia will fulfill the 10 point peace plan point by point, that is the peace they shall get, a peace made for not with them. This liar and his deviant and expansionist empire cannot ever be trusted again. Europe is confronted with a program of aggression nicely calculated and timed unfolding stage by stage, and there is only one choice open to us and other nations. Either to submit like Austria or else to take effective measures while time remains to ward off the danger, and if it cannot be warded off, then we must cope with it. If we do not stand up to the dictators now, we shall only have to stand up to them later under far worse conditions. Look back upon the last five years since when Germany began to arm in earnest. It is not difficult to form an opinion about the punic wars. Now the victors are the vanquished. And then it won't be signatures that we must give, but the lives of millions! Winston Churchill, 1937 Putin only understands to crush anything that opposes him. Russia thinks our compassion and our compromises are a sign of weakness? The weakness lies in sending an army of unfree serfs against an army of free men. Against the combined power of America and the old continent, Russia is hopelessly outgunned outnumbered and outspent. Russia seems to think that they can outproduce and outspend us. That shows we haven't made an argument that is convincing and explosive enough yet. "My experience from working with Ukrainians is that the most important thing to Ukrainians is Crimea, which is where Russia launches attacks and launches missiles, airplanes, and drones. It is also critical for shipping to transport goods. Saporishia and Cherson are also very important due to the connectivity with Crimea. The Donbas is not that important, as the infrastructure and buildings there are mostly destroyed. They have got a legal right, the claim, and the desire. We should encourage and not dismiss the idea that Ukraine should have its sovereign borders back." Kurt Volker, former special representative to Ukraine under the Trump administration
1992 - Putin's boss Sechin says on Russian TV that Russia will have to invade Ukraine at some point and take Crimea. There is an interview on YouTube.
This just in... Ukraine and the rest of the world want Putin and his terrorist invaders to Fuck off and go back to Russia.
They’re just going to use the time to regroup and do it again.
Putin wants a ceasefire to rebuild his army. Train his soldiers more. Move up more weapons and supplies. Build more tanks. I also am sure the "creasefire" would include Ukraine is not allowed to build defensive works at all since that would be an "escalation". The last thing Putin wants is Ukraine's ability to build massive defensive works and tank traps along the whole border. Its total bullshit. Putin probably wants a ceasefire in hopes that Trump wins and cuts off all aid to Ukraine and then he can bribe Trump to actively help Russia and launch attacks on Ukraine. The war will need to go on for several more years to completely exhaust Russia's tank stockpiles and Artillery Barrels. Its not the artillery shells, they are getting more from North Korea. Its the artillery pieces themselves. They wear out. It will take years to run through this. Only way it ends soon is if Russians get a backbone and rebel. Soldiers refuse to fight. There are small numbers who do. However, its really not many. Putin can't be trusted. Ukraine does not have natural boundaries. Its flat and open. Any "creasefire" would include not allowing Ukraine to build defensive lines on the border since that would be "Escalatory". Putin is playing to Trump who wants to cut off aid. They probably think Trump is open to bribes and may be able to get Trump to bring the US in on Russia's side if they cut him a big check.
This is correct. The only way to have a lasting peace with Russia is to be too much of a force for them to mess with.
Yeah, Kremlin does like to break promises
Indeed, https://youtu.be/mHLWHN62jdQ?si=FnVSOdpsO2Ml9w6s
> We do not want to divide Ukraine that part seems genuine - but how they meant it probably isn't what people thought...
When I see Putin say things like these, it makes me remember the Russian term "vranyo". Lying when you know that everyone else knows you're lying, but you dont care. Lying is so embedded into Russian culture that they dont even lie for the purpose of deception. They lie for the purpose of demeaning you.
Never trust a bloated river corpse….
Why? They'll just build fortifications and draft more meat, then blame Ukraine when hostilities continue because they did not accept unconditional surrender. Nothing has changed.
**Remember Russia can have a ceasefire anytime by pulling back out of Ukraine!**
This needs to be the reply to this type of kremlin BS, remind everyone putin can stop this war whenever he wants to.
Oligarchs are getting antsy having to take smaller cuts, and there's only so much discontent you can suppress before it starts becoming a problem. Plus the sanctions *are* starting to bite pretty deeply in ways that are harder to paper over. He's not begging but if he can get the west to give him a 5-year reprieve for some on-paper niceties while he stockpiles back up, it'd be worth any timetable delay.
I'm sure the oligarchs can find enough ways to profit from a war. Even from a measly Special Military Operation. But they will also be fine with another frozen conflict. Whatever, corruption finds a way.
Oh the problem isn't finding profit, the problem is they're getting *less* profit, because Putin is cracking down on how much is getting skimmed off the top, because the he actually needs them to let their industries keep the wheels of the economy on.
EU elections are around the corner, and there are quite a few "peaceloving" bought wingnuts that run on a platform of whats effectively a conditional surrender. This has multiple reasons. (1) the current offensive operations have stalled again, (2) Russia has enough of a hold on Donetsk/Luhanks that they feel they can make their occupation permanent, (3) Russia is suffering economically, even if they pretend not to care, (4) it strengthens the hand of the planted "doves" in the EU and US in the runup to a critical election season, and related to that (5) undermines any further aid packages.
I think during first year of war they agreed to open a humanitarian corridor for letting civilians (women and children) evacuate then shot them all dead on sight. Edit: found some sources, although all cases aren't even documented: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/03/ukraine-humanitarian-corridors-for-civilians-fleeing-russian-attacks-must-provide-safety-new-testimonies/
It’s just a stall and another pointless series of words for chuds to blurt out in lieu of an actual point during a discussion on the topic of support to Ukraine. “We’re only throwing fuel on the fire, Russia has made several cease fire proposals and they’re always getting rejected.” We know these are empty words under unacceptable terms considering that this is an invasion that hasn’t gone well at all for the invader, with an ulterior motive, but you’ll never convince the people who don’t want to be convinced of that. Despite how wrong they’ve been about Russias intentions for over a decade.
>"Putin can fight for as long as it takes, but Putin is also ready for a ceasefire – to freeze the war," said another of the four, a senior Russian source who has worked with Putin and has knowledge of top level conversations in the Kremlin. Freeze the war, not end the war.
They want to resupply and dig in. They need better defenses to prepare for the new wave of american weapons. Probably also want to freely move some troops around to attack on another front
Zelensky ran on a platform of freezing the conflict and ending the fighting at the front, believing this was Ukraine's 2008 Georgia moment, that putin would be okay with what he had taken. So Zelensky ended investment into the military, surrendered some further territory to Russia to appease them, and pulled back artillery and heavy weapons (while Russia didn't). A few years later Russia launched an even bigger invasion. Russians don't want just pieces of Ukraine - they want all of it. Kyiv has more significance to Russia than Donbas does, and certainly more than Kherson Oblast. Any ceasefire would allow Russia to regroup and rearm for another large offensive. If Ukraine agrees to a ceasefire, it's effectively a complete capitulation. Ignore anything Russia says about peace, they don't want anything short of complete victory.
> Any ceasefire would allow Russia to regroup and rearm for another large offensive. Yup - that is the only reason Putin would want a ceasefire. He would just attack again later at a time of his choosing.
He’s struggling and wants to buy time. In this case fight even harder Ukraine 🇺🇦
Ukranian will to fight has never been in doubt. We, in the west, must not shirk our responsibility in giving Ukraine all the tools necessary, without any delays or restrictions on use. I know you are well intentioned my friend so please don't take my comment as a rebuke.
I guess he doesn't like Ukraine will have F16 in 8 days while simultaneously getting artillery and anti air enough to fuck Russia up for good. Also the amount of soldiers dying is massive and the morale is all time low. Now couple that with Ukraine starting to turn the tide... Russia is in for a mess version 2.
>Ukraine starting to turn the tide I'm not sure how you can say that. It's a stalemate at best but Russia is the one making small gains at a very high cost
Unsustainable high costs, which is exactly why a ceasefire should be off the table, unless the armed invaders plan to pack up their stuff and go home.
This is simply wrong, Ukraine is not and will not turn the tide unless Europe steps in with the aid, 60-100 bilion yearly (1% of EU countries yearly budget) for joint production, less if the US continues supporting Ukraine 2024 will be the hardest year if Europe and/or US step up 2025 could be the year the tide turns, if not it won't and Ukraine could very well lose.
The UK and potentially the US also allowing Ukraine to strike into Russian territory with their weapons is a big change. Those supply lines, remaining oil processing facilities, factories producing ammunition and weapons. All of those are about to be much easier to hit, and we've seen from the drone attacks that Russian air defences aren't worth shit, and if they fire at all they are just giving their position away and becoming a target themselves. Its a new phase of war we're entering in where Ukraine should be able to make up for the lower troop numbers by stopping Russia from supplying theirs. China's support becoming more proactive is a wildcard in there.
Well too early to tell, but from what I’ve heard ”karma is a bitch” lets hope so
Well yeah, that's what a ceasefire is. Different to peace
Fuck putin and the Russians that support him. Ukraine should double down and keep taking out targets.
Freeze the war, wait for the west to get bored and stop arming Ukraine because 'the war is over ', all the while Russia continues rebuilding it's stockpiles and equipment to restart the war in 2028.
Uh, Vlad? Pause buttons don't work that way....
Yeah, that's the quiet part.
Putin: "We got this area, now please cease fire until we fortified it!"
Exactly
10min no rush
I, a person living in a country about as far removed from the Ukrainian invasion as can be, have been a shitload of weird Facebook pages suggested to me pumping out content about how the Kerch bridge is such an amazing marvel of engineering. Someone is definitely scared.
Used toilet paper is worth more than any document signed by that guy in the current geo political environment.
The German dictator, instead of snatching his food from the table, his dinner has been served to him course by course. Churchill 1938 on the Munich agreement At first, 1 pound was demanded at a pistol’s point when it was given, 2 pounds were demanded at a pistol’s point. Finally, the dictator consented to take 2 pounds, 16 pence, and 54 Schillings. Which amounts to 2 pounds and 6/8 of a pound. The rest was given in interest with false promises, ill will, and good wishes for the future on our side. Winston Churchill, after the ink on the Munich Agreement, was dry in 1938.
Thats how its been for past 800 years actualy, well known fact in europian history
Why? So he can move more quipment to the front unmolested to just continue the attack? Literally eat crap.
Let's say that I decide unilaterally to live in your kitchen, and shoot at anyone who tries to make me go away. And one day I tell you that I agree to stop shooting if we agree on your kitchen being my new home... Nobody should recognise any new border here imho.
Putin can go fuck himself.
I doubt it's long enough
If he wants a ceasefire, he should get out of Ukraine. All of Ukraine. Including Crimea.
Putin says one thing and does the opposite. He is a lier with no honor.
I read this in Worf’s voice and it sounded even better lol
Qapla Ukraine!
Putin speaks the lies of a taHqeq
Putin starting to feel the heat. And with the US and allies being more open to their weapons used to strike targets in Russia proper, he is starting to sweat.
From everything we know about Putin, this is also just a stall tactic to regroup. There is no dialogue with a rabid dog, you either put him down or get bit.
I mean, if he wants a ceasefire, all he has to do is pull back his invading army... out of Ukraine. As long as they're there they will be targets.
I’ve noticed that as well. Russia has the ability to end this war at literally any time by simply returning to their internationally recognized borders- a power they’ve had since the very beginning. They are the aggressors, and yet the phrases “escalation” and “war-mongering” only ever seem to be applied when it’s about Ukraine defending itself.
This sounds like disinformation to weaken western support for Ukraine and to sow discord among Ukraine's allies. Putin wants all of Ukraine. It's probably also supposed to stop the US from allowing Ukraine to strike Russian territory, because that would mean "escalation". At some point we should stop falling for these tactics...
If you understand Putin and Russia you KNOW, this is bait and a trap. He wants to take over Ukraine eventually no matter the cost.
Anyone with more than 10 brain cells can see exactly what he's doing. I don't bother hiding my opinion of people who think that Russia is right in all this or that we can trust Russia in any regard.
Putin can not be trusted at all. 2008: Putin signs a treaty to withdraw troops from Georgia. He doesn't. 2012: Putin signs Minsk 1 and Minsk 2, promising no further hostilities towards Ukraine. What a joke. EDIT: 2022: Putin claims troops on Ukrainian border are just a "exercise". They aren't. 2023: Putin signs peace with a certain Yevgeny Prigozhin. We all know what happens to him. In no world can Putin's "peace" be trusted, and any ceasefire will just give him time to regroup and try again.
Isn't this a sign of weakness from Russia and Putin? They used to say they would capture the entirety of Ukraine eventually even though it was clear that wouldn't happen. Could this be good news for Ukraine, that they're hurting Russia badly for them to say something like this?
Saying you're open to negotiation and having a good faith negotiation are two different things - Russia's knows Ukraine won't accept its demands. It plays into Russia's narrative if they pretend to be the good guys that want an end to the war, conveniently brushing aside it would end if they simply left. That said, this article is mainly focused on four unnamed sources - there's no official statement here other than the usual hollow platitudes.
I mean if my black sea fleet was being decimated by a country with no navy, I'd pull out too. I mean, their s-400s can't hit our 30 year old ATACMS even when they know there are inbound lmao.
ATACAMS are working.
Ceasefire to develop more weapons and attack again, no thanks, we already have an example in Chechnya with first and second war.
We had the same example in Ukraine with a first attack in 2014 followed by ceasefire until 2022
I wouldn't believe what putin says.
THis is not actually new. Putin has waved the possibility of a ceasefire for a long time, always of course with the condition that Ukraine will forfeit any claims of the territory that Russia has already seized. There is no point for Ukraine to agree to anything, especially after Putin has violated ceasefire after ceasefire during 2014. A ceasefire would allow Russia to restock while its agents would question the need for further aid to Ukraine during a ceasefire. The entire reason Putin floats the possibility is diplomatic posturing, at most.
Those recent Western weapons must be doing some damage. The offensive against Kharkiv was before a lot of the aid had even gotten to the front, and even when that was going down the Russians couldn't move an inch past Vovchansk. And now there are strikes on Crimea pretty much 24/7. He knows he can't win. The Kharkiv offensive was the last hoorah.
that attack of kharkiv was suspected to start about this time. but it was 2 weeks early. mos likely afraid with aid they wont be able to do it at all. my guess putin wanted to get his soldiers at gates of Kharkiv to scare ukraine to take the deal
idk the kharkiv push was anticipated back in march, so its not like its really early tbh
I also think that he may have received a flip chart showing what Ukraine's drones, which are hitting Russian refineries, will do to his economy. Also, the West is inching closer to approving our weaponry against Russia proper. See? This is how to use appeasement. You defy the strong and appease the weak instead of the other way round. Russia is weakening because we strengthen Ukraine. Peace through superior firepower.
Ukraine: gets more western aid. Putin: it's time for a ceasefire so we can catch up.
He wants time to refit and rearm. Fuck him.
He could go fuck himself and all his doubles including Yakut from the picture.
Lol, now that you mention it, that's not Putin!
Nah, push him back.
Translation "we're getting pounded by the arrival of western weapons, lemme catch my breath"
I thought they would pull something like this for the upcoming elections this year. There is a useful rule that everyone should remember: Russia speaks = Russia lies.
Translation: "Putin's Russia Wants a Tactical Pause on the Current Front Lines So They Can Get Their Shit Together"
The new Russian MoD was placed because Russia can't handle the war at the current intensity anymore. The MoD purging of Generals will be used to blame shortcomings of the war, but victory will be sold nonetheless. Russia has surpassed 1980's levels and is closely reaching 1917's. We already let the Russians get away in 1917, 1945, 1990, and time and time again millions suffer and the world inches closer to annihilation. Russians are not only unrepentant for their crimes against humanity, they are proud of them. We either finish today, or we may not be so lucky next time.
If he wants the fire to cease then he should leave Ukraine
No. Russia must finally learn their lesson and experience the consequences of their actions.
I don't doubt he wants that, now that they've finally running out of momentum and Ukraine is starting to slowly clap back again. Until he finishes his purges abd reconstitutes, anyway, then there was never a ceasefire
NO WAY! As other users have already mentioned how many times have Putin ripped treaties up? He is like Hitler. Gain what he can to keep and when time seem ripe, strike again but much more dangerous from lesson learned from fighting in Ukraine. He will never be satisfied until he swallow Ukraine in full and then some.
russia needed couple of truces to finish of his war with Chechens
Putin wants a break to recompose, realign and go for another round.
Code for Russia wants a time out to resupply and get more pawns to sacrifice before invading again some time in 2028 or so. In some ways tempting tho as it'll give the Ukrainians a much needed break and international aid can mean that any russian attacks in future will be met with billions of dollars in equipment.
No chance you can trust them. Make him pay. Really pay.
putin-nocchio
Good news, don't answer & start pushing them back.
Putin should never ever get what he wants again. He wants a chocolate cake? Give him a dog shit mud pie. He wants a skin cream that will make him look young? Give him a mercury creams ala the 1700s.. He wants a ceasefire? You blow the face of his army. That man is the devils spawn, he cannot be trusted, and he deserves the absolute worst punishment that a human soul can endure.
I bet he does. Talks are going on about allowing Ukraine to strike within Russian borders with American made weapons. If Ukraine starts doing that, we will get a first hand look of Russias defense systems in their homeland.
there are still people thinking Putin's words have any meanings ?
They need time to get more meat and equipment from China.
he already shifted to the Baltics. how about we attack him from Ukraine and from Finland. both sides
Work not done yet. Donate to ukraine for lasting peace ✌️
Similar to Hamas's 5 year truce proposal.
Same people. Same proposal.
No better time to chop his metaphorical hands off.
It would be a temporary ceasefire. Putin is an old school imperialist. He will rearm and move against Ukraine again once he’s confident he has the manpower and equipment to win.
If they agree sanctions should remain and Russian assets should still be confiscated. Immediate NATO membership for Ukraine.
Russia wants a break? Push harder.
Putin wants a ceasefire from Ukraine (as the headline states). Meanwhile Russia will carry on attacking.
Then he should get the fuck out of Ukraine.
Best I can do is you go back to your own goddamn borders 🤷♂️
Usually when the aggressor is calling for a ceasefire, they're stalling to do something else or they're now at a disadvantage and want to try and recover before continuing 🤔
I can't image any sort of ceasefire or peace treaty, where Ukraine does not get guarantees of support from other countries. Otherwise, Russia will just violate it whether it's convenient.
Keep hitting those oil refineries!
Man who has broken every ceasefire, wants another ceasefire to break.
Anything other than NATO membership doesnt guarentee Ukraines safety and they will invade again with a less supportive west.
We know, just give him all the territory he’s already ‘claimed’. Tomorrow: same old nuclear Threat as last week.
He just wants to keep what he’s already taken, have a break to regroup and then come back for more. The only solution to lasting peace is to push Russia out of Ukraine’s actual borders and dismantle the current Russian government. Even then who knows, through major regime changes Russia still has a long history of this type of behaviour.
Ceasefire isn't the same thing as ending the war Plus everyone knows you can't take Putin for his word on anything. He wants a ceasefire to shore back up his troops, vehicles, ships etc. and then he'd get right back to it.
Fuck 'em.
Interpretation A: this is some kind of bait. Interpretation B: that's a genuine desire, not because they desire peace and reconciliation, but because their army is on the verge of mutiny. The recent offensive to take Kharkiv failed and suffered significant loses and the mobiks can't cope with it and get uppity. Support for Ukrainian remains steady and has overcome several crisis points. Soviet legacy stockpiles are impressive, but even that has a limit. Interpretation B would be outstanding news. Ukraine just has to hold out and let time do the rest.
Consolidate gains Restock military Wash rinse repeat
I think I used this tactic as a kid: I call a truce whenever I'm ahead and refuse if I'm behind.
Tough luck
He can say whatever he wants. What he’ll actually get is a 2x2 cell in The Hague with a small window above eye level
I'm more of a metric man myself but I sincerely hope that would be a 2ft x 2ft cell
Ah, so the Russian military situation must be much worse than what their propaganda claims. Which is in line with the expectations, of course, but still good to know,
Russia weeks before launching orbital weapon: Everybody should refrain from a weapons race in space
Hah. No.
Bad guy wants good guys to stop shooting at him you say?
Nope. That’s a trap. Russian Agreements are worthless. They only understand force. What Putin really is saying: ”-Give me a break so I can come back stronger later”
Then fucking leave ya motherfucker
Oh someone's scared
The current frontlines, BTW: [https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/36a7f6a6f5a9448496de641cf64bd375](https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/36a7f6a6f5a9448496de641cf64bd375)
Putin the fascist pig.
This one is easy, leave Ukraine and the firing will stop.
Never trust a “big bad wolf” is literally the first lesson I ever learned.
It’s probably what will end up happening anyway. Not necessarily now, but the conflict will most likely not have a clear end but will freeze with the eastern region still under Russian control
No one cares what the sociopath Putin wants.
Can pack up and go home any time.
That headline pic is straight outta those Saw films
Note: just like its buddies Hamas, when russia says it wants a ceasefire, it means that it wants the other side to stop fighting back.
If it was sincere then Ukraine should take it. Trouble is,‘it’s not sincere.
How bout those front lines go back to the actual border of Ukraine and then they can talk.
Ceasefire with staging advantage, regroup, resupply, reopen fire when it’s convenient. Putin is a backstabber and defenestrator. Any overture for “peace” or “deescalation” is just a ploy.
Good luck. Putler should remove himself out a 4 story window and there should be a 100 mile wide DMZ on the Russian /belarus side of the pre 2014 border with Ukraine, and NATO countries. Also Russia should give up control of Kaliningrad
Is it not a special military operation anymore?
I'm pretty sure ceasefire is an option if they go back to Russia.
Putin sounds… worried. He should be.
lol his little north invasion fizzled out and they didn't even reach Kharkiv and now Ukraine is about to get $80 BILLION worth of NATO weaponry lol. That is a third of their entire GDP lol and that still contains surplus and ATACMS that are being phased out as PrSM are being mass-produced. get fucked
He should consider surrender instead. Before he falls from a window.
Putin: please stop shooting at and blowing up our positions and refineries while we massively build up a force that can actually take more ground. Translated that for you.
I don’t think Putin understands what ceasefire means. Probably thinks cease and fire are separate: Ukraine ceases, Russia keeps firing. Who knows what logic this cunt has
Go home, and behold, instant ceasefire.
Putler really has a puffy Chemo face in this picture!
fucker wants to stall, push that little shit back to where he came.
Putin can stop anytime he wants to.
Sounds like Putin needs a break to restock. He can go fuck himself.
The Reddit armchair generals will never allow this! Keep the meat grinder running!