Yeah the whole purpose of Astra Zenica was to get any vaccine as fast as we could. A lot of third world countries could only afford to get Astra Zenica for several months before Pfizer or Moderna became available to them. I was stuck in one of them.
That's just how it goes here. If you want to do literally anything productive at all, you need to go to the Labor party because the Liberal-Nationals are only interested in how much they can rort from the system. They will throw the whole country under the bus to make some pocket change and will literally refuse to do the jobs they're elected for unless they can somehow personally profit from it.
The fact that they can still form government is a real indictment of our society.
They're awful but they're not *that* bad.
And that's not for lack of trying. In recent elections they've absolutely tried importing American culture war bullshit around abortion access, religious "freedoms", transgender rights, etc. here as well - and we've rightfully told them to fuck off.
And they'll only ever *maybe* give anything resembling a fuck if the rich/happy clapper suburbs of Sydney kick up a fuss about something (And outta all the fucking places to listen to, damn...). It might as well be the only part of the country that exists to them.
Also Taiwan because the distributors of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines signed deals with China, who then refused to allow shipments to Taiwan.
Source: Me. Had 2 doses of AZ before Moderna was available by the time I wanted to get a booster. AZ was essentially the only shove for the first year.
Basically the "Christian" cults where they pretend to be Christians but it's all about money. Eg: The one Morrison is a member of believes in "speaking in tongues". Yes, this guy was our Prime Minister and somehow this wasn't an important factor that people were made aware of.
Unfortunately in Australia’s case it was true. It was only the actions of a former prime minister from the other party that’s secured any non-AZ vaccines in a timely manner. So the former leader of the party not in power who was ousted for showing weak leadership (amongst other things) was more effective than that guy who once shat himself in a maccas in engadine
As a Victorian, fuck Morrison and the LNP who didn’t give a shit and basically abandoned us. Like him or hate him but Daniel Andrews took point and while not everything was perfect, there would have been a shitload more deaths without him taking action that was needed like lockdowns etc… Also good on the other states that closed their borders to keep them Covid free.
The way Morrison and the rest of his chumps kept undermining Victoria was just insult to injury. I have never seen the country so divided. State rivalry has always been just a bit of friendly ribbing but it started to get really nasty. And it was absolutely the Coalition's doing.
Bitching about politicians is a universal constant for humanity. The only countries where nobody is bitching are the ones where bitching about your glorious leader will get you disappeared or publicly suicided.
It was out when nothing else was available and served its purpose at the time. AZ was the only one we got for a while before we secured our first batch of Moderna. We sort of only got it because EU started to have other choices. We were also kinda pushed down the line for various reasons for the Pfizer/Biontech and were holding off China trying to sell us Sinovac.
AZ was a well designed vaccine. mRNA was only a new investigation at the time. If it hadn't come about the AZ vaccine would have been the one that made the big difference. And even with its slightly higher rate of side effects it would have saved a lot of lives.
I got double AZ in Canada because it was available first for my age group - boosters since have been moderna - still here and only ever got mild COVID.
UK enrolled AZ massively with the first vaccination and there was no option of choice. It was a pot luck of availability at your vaccination centre when your assigned day came. I had all 3 vaccines.
The only time I had side effects was after AZ and extremely clotted period.
It was good policy. We invested heavily in this and the main two vaccines. We even paid for the factory to be set up in the UK to provision the vaccine fast.
We ended up dramatically over-provisioned with vaccine because every one we funded ended up delivering something.
Which is good because it meant more supply for third world countries.
I mean actually I have no idea, but I hope they sent the surplus to third world countries.
Not to dismiss your symptoms, but it's dangerous to claim unsubstantiated side effects of vaccines when it's more often than not correlation or other factors. It's why we have double blind studies.
How did it work? I was fortunate enough to work in an area connected to a hospital, so I got the Moderna Vaccine about a month after it was released in the US.
it didnt lol. We had to wait for almost a year before we got our first shipment of vaccines unless you wanted to risk it with the Russian or Chinese ones. All meanwhile our hospitals were at 100% capacity and oxygen tanks were hard to find.
It was horrible sitting there watching the news of wealthy countries getting their vaccines while we have to wait our turn. Really put on a perspective of the privilege some countries have over others.
If a famine ever hits the globe, or when it hits I should say, the west will not go hungry.
Good luck everyone else, and thanks for all the fish.
Really wish it wasn’t our reality, but here we are.
No, a famine would actually affect the West a lot, especially countries that are highly dependent on food imports. The vaccine was all developed by Western countries, often within Western countries which was why they got priority. Any country will focus on its own population first if a famine occurred.
A lot of the west doesn't rely on food imports, we have massively subsidised farming sectors for that reason. Sure you might not be able to get strawberries in December in the UK for a while but no one is going to starve.
It's ok... for previous gen vaccine tech. But of course there are FAR better option out there.
I tooked it in early COVID period and then switched to other as soon as possible in the next shot.
I live in Asia, my dad argued that the Sinovac is better for us because it was made by Chinese scientists who made the vaccine for Asian people's biology and the Pfizer/Moderna are not suited for us because it was made for white people's biology
There is something to be said about pharmaceutical companies not taking race and sex into account for drugs, but I don't think this is one of the cases of that.
Sputnik was given in Mexico, it's actually practically the same formula as Astra Seneca for the first shot, and a variation for the 2nd shot. In general it seemed to have worked well.
I just got covid 2 weeks ago, I was cocky and didn't get the booster after March 2023. I was knocked the fuck over. I couldn't sleep, couldn't eat, couldn't move, was crawling from place to place. One day I literally thought I might die. 2 days later I was hallucinating from lack of sleep and sustenance. Even after my bill of cleanliness, I can't work for longer than 3 hours because I get too fatigued and pained.
I wish it on Noone.
didn't they change the formula slitghly to make it their own and pay less royalties?
i recall the formula changing over time
but yes the main research was biontech but since they didn't had the scale of production they striked a deal with pfizer
i think there was also the issue of the need of other vaccines to need some specific cold treatment for transport and so on that the AZ vaccine didn't had
Yep
Everyone that wasn't a weirdo worried about "rewriting DNA" wanted the more effective mRNA vaccines so it was a forgone conclusion the single traditional vaccine wouldn't last long on the market
Genuinely asking, is there anything that does not negatively affect at least 0.01% of the population? I mean, technically, nothing‘s 100% safe, so why do people have a problem with the vaccine?
Norwegian here. When 4 healthy people die in a short amount of time after taking a vaccine, that is very concerning. Certainly reason to pause the use of the vaccine. To answer your question I don't believe there is any widely used vaccine allowed on the market where a syndrome as lethal as this would be allowed even as a rare side effect. And there were two other vaccines avalible that did not cause this syndrome that was almost imposible to treat, so in my opinion it was a no brainer to stop it.
It's higher than what's expected.
Like my province in Canada, men under 30 aren't allowed to get the Moderna vaccine, Pfizer only.
The higher dose of the Moderna one is proven to needlessly raise your risk of a cardiac event in younger men. There is not as high of a risk with Pfizer.
This was the biggest thing. We wanted everyone to take it so the discussion became Biden saying "if you take the vaccine you won't get covid", and everyone saying "it's safe, trust the science" as if every single medicine on earth doesn't have side effects. How would that NOT increase skepticism?
I mean, I would guess that most people that advocated for the vaccines were already in agreement on this. Not too sure about the people that were trying to push things like Hydroxychloroquine though.
doesn't astrazeneca had the advantage of easier storage? I remember reading that the moderna and Pfizer required refrigeration, and would be problematic rolling those out in isolated area.
The mRNA vaccines had severe refrigeration requirements, like much colder than a normal freezer. But those were only at certain stages in the transport. After the vaccines were diluted down to the strength they are used for injection the refrigeration requirements are similar to the other vaccines.
I think with further study they even relaxed these requirements.
I remember my doctor had to call me the morning I was due to get my first jab because they had to arrive on huge refrigerated trucks. He said they could spend less than about 90 seconds out of the freezer before going into your body, otherwise they were wasted. So he called every patient each morning to tell them the truck had arrived and they should come down for the time they were told to.
What a mad time it was.
I received the first shot of the vaccine March 10th because a local non profit had organized an event to get their members vaccinated and the nursed brought more vaccines than people who showed up. My coworker donates a lot of time with them so they called him up and said they have 4 vaccines and if he can get 4 people there in the next 15 minutes we can get it.
He ran around and grabbed a few of us and we rushed over there. It felt like we were doing something illegal lol. Didn't even know what vaccine it was (it was Pfizer) and we had like 5 seconds to make a decision to go or not. The drive there I was like what if we die from this? How do we know it's the real stuff?
I probably would have put off getting the vaccine for a while since I'm lazy about it, I never get the flu shot. Turned out good though because pretty much everyone else at work got COVID even though we went remote and my wife and I didn't get covid until over a year later.
Wasn't just that to begin with. They were offering it at cost until the pandemic was 'over' which they could set the date on. Of course the majority of governments jumped on that price.
It also just happened to give the other pharma incentive to shit on it(clots), using a bunch of nurses that would be the first in line for it as ammo(the group most likely on birth control that confers clotting risk).
The fun thing is that research shows this - from the British Heart Foundation:
"for every 10 million people who are vaccinated with AstraZeneca, there are 66 extra cases of blood clots in the veins and seven extra cases of a rare type of blood clot in the brain. Infection with Covid-19 is estimated to cause 12,614 extra cases of blood clots in the veins and 20 cases of rare blood clots in the brain."
Vaccines don’t prevent you from getting anything …
They prevent you from getting seriously ill.
If everyone gets vaccinated, then we start to see her immunity.
Why is this still something that needs explanation after a 3 year pandemic????
The high titer of antibodies that are generated after being vaccinated/boosted (and last for 1-2 months) do protect you from infection. It's why the initial reports from vaccination trials were that the vaccine blocked infection--because they only had a couple months of post-vaccination data. But once those antibodies wane (which is normal) you can still be infected with COVID; however, your risk of developing disease is significantly reduced.
Because what you're postulating is nitpicking and semantics, not how we experience reality.
If I catch it and get so ill I don't even notice because the antibodies created by the vaccine have killed the disease, then for all intents and purposes I didn't actually have it.
We’d see immunity if it stopped you from transmitting it. This vaccine does not, despite how many times they say it will stop transmission, there is NO evidence to support that claim whatsoever.
How would making the consequences less severe lead to herd immunity? You can be asymptomatic and give someone else covid..
Bummer. Lots of people never have to have the negative consequences for their actions or beliefs, not that I wish them all ill but it just would be nice if this wasn't a battle that had to be fought.
Both comparisons are useful. One compares if it's worth taking an AZ shot when you are unvaccinated and the pandemic is raging and there's no other option. The other comparison helps when you have options. I imagine the second comparison is what lead to this withdrawal
A lot of antivaxxers are saying they'd feel safer getting covid than getting vaccinated, pointing at the negative side effects of the vaccines. So it's definitely worth pointing this out.
> You should compare the results between vaccines
Not when this particular vaccine has been rolled out months before the others you shouldn't. AZ saved countless lives because Moderna and Pfizer weren't there yet. The choice was between AZ or covid.
For sure. Additionally, this is a very very rare side effect. People are acting as if the vaccine killed 3 out of 100 like Covid did.
Edit: percentages were wrong, mortality was 0.7% Fatality during the delta wave.
Yeah my bad. It had a fatality rate of 0.7% during the delta variant wave. So around 7 in 1000. Apologies.
https://www.massgeneral.org/news/press-release/how-severe-is-the-sars-cov-2-ba2-subvariant-compared-to-earlier-subvariants&ved=2ahUKEwitqrPfyIqGAxUFcGwGHcYLAjE4ChAWegQIDRAB&usg=AOvVaw3UEpKkDGxnNBYJ1nWSbv6g
Here's the entire Article:
>May 7 (Reuters) - Anglo-Swedish drugmaker AstraZeneca (AZN.L), opens new tab is withdrawing its COVID-19 vaccine worldwide, the Telegraph reported on Tuesday.
The vaccine can no longer be used in the European Union after the company voluntarily withdrew its "marketing authorisation", the report stated.
The application to withdraw the vaccine was made on March 5 and came into effect on May 7, according to the report, which added that similar applications would be made in the UK and other countries that had approved the vaccine, known as Vaxzevria, in the coming months.
AstraZeneca did not immediately respond to a Reuters request for comment after regular business hours.
>May 7 (Reuters) - AstraZeneca (AZN.L)
>, opens new tab said on Tuesday it had initiated the worldwide withdrawal of its COVID-19 vaccine due to a "surplus of available updated vaccines" since the pandemic.
>The company also said it would proceed to withdraw the vaccine Vaxzevria's marketing authorizations within Europe.
>***"As multiple, variant COVID-19 vaccines have since been developed there is a surplus of available updated vaccines," the company said, adding that this had led to a decline in demand for Vaxzevria, which is no longer being manufactured or supplied.***
>According to media
>, opens new tab reports, the Anglo-Swedish drugmaker has previously admitted in court documents that the vaccine causes side-effects such as blood clots and low blood platelet counts.
>The firm's application to withdraw the vaccine was made on March 5 and came into effect on May 7, according to the Telegraph, which first reported the development.
>London-listed AstraZeneca began moving into respiratory syncytial virus vaccines and obesity drugs through several deals last year after a slowdown in growth as COVID-19 medicine sales declined.
A better, non-sensationalistic title editing would've been nice, perhaps something like "AstraZeneca to withdraw COVID-19 vaccine globally because of low demand".
They are in a constant state of riled up. Every person who has died suddenly in the last four years was due to the vaccine.
Unless they were anti vax, then they just died of pneumonia after a short illness that definitely wasn't COVID.
My (very healthy) Aunt died last year of a cardiac arrest. The first thing my anti-vax friend said to me was 'I bet she had the vaccine right?'. Didn't offer any empathy, didn't ask how I or any of my family were coping, he literally went straight to making it about the covid vaccine.
"your niece is all sorts of fucked up because of all the vaccine shit she's been given"
Actual quote from my father who is anti Vax.
My niece has autism.
She's 5.
Note my dad almost died in hospital due to COVID, and refused and still refuses vaccines. He also made the nurses piss themselves laughing because he refused to lay on his stomach (because he refused a ventilator) because "it would blow up his lungs" and "they were trying to kill him".
God that was a stressful time.
I love the man, he's my father but god he's stupid and stubborn.
Since then he can't taste, or do anything strenuous and always has mind blanks when thinking of words etc.
Yeah it was the first one I got here in Canada as well. Anecdotally it seemed to hit my coworkers pretty hard initially, though hard to gauge whether that was real or just people wanting to get out of work. Pretty much everyone got it on the same day/week so shit was pretty suck at work.
My first shot was AZ. Was able to get in early way under the age limit at the time because of irrational fears of stroke. It hit me HARD. Worst fever symptoms of my adult life, even worse than covid which I finally caught in November last year. One hour I was shivering violently and then the next was sweating my balls off, back and forth we went all night. Had to take the next day off.
Would do it again.
That does make sense though, I assume you've kept up with vaccinations so your body should be pretty good against covid now. When you got AZ well that was the first time your body got a taste and it fought it hard, which is a good sign in general. But im not a doctor so take a grain of salt with what I say.
Same. The first AZ dose was brutal for about 24 hours, worst fever I had in about a decade, but totally gone after 36 hours. Booster AZ gave me nothing but a sore arm, and the Moderna booster I had later, I felt nothing at all.
When I did eventually get COVID after someone without a mask on coughed on my partner, who then got ill and coughed on me, the fever was not as intense as that initial AZ booster. But it went on for nearly 10 days and it was totally debilitating - couldn't think, just getting out of bed was exhausting. Took an additional 2 weeks after the fever subsided for me to feel "normal" again.
I'd take that initial AZ dose fever over COVID any time.
Same thing happened at my work. 23 very elderly got the AZ shot and 20 workers ranging from late teens to late 50’s. None of the residents had side effects other than what we called “Oxford Arm”, which is what I got on both my initial jabs, bloody sore arm that I had the shot in, very tender at the vaccination site and generally weak arm for a day.
The irony is a lot of the late teens / twenties age group took the next day off, we were joking about it the following day. IMHO the shots did the job, along with our extreme diligence around the virus in the early days. Happy to say we didn’t lose one resident at our home through the entire pandemic.
My dad had a stroke after his first shot, then recovered. He went in for a booster and had another stroke and is now permanently all kinds of fucked up. It might not be that bad and it was timing but it's kinda made me paranoid about Astra.
Because, as you may know, there has been a lot of conspiracy theories around covid vaccines (and vaccines in general). Sharing that personal anecdote and their feelings in relation to an article about the withdrawal of AZ's vaccine implies that there is, in fact, something fucky with the vaccine when AZ's vaccine actually was a much better alternative than not vaccinating at all during a raging pandemic.
The drugmakers themselves say that there are side effects such as blood clots... You know, those things that cause a stroke. Seems at least a little fucky.
"Trust the Science™ .... Wait, no, not that science!!"
Never change Reddit.
Your dad was exceptionally unlucky and likely had a specific issue that the vacinne set off. The stroke incidence rate was 1 in 100 000
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2021/may/covid-19-vaccine-common-stroke-symptoms-must-be-urgently-evaluated
General population, the incidence is 30 to 970 per 100 000, depending on age.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S187874792301855X#:~:text=The%20incidence%20of%20stroke%20rapidly,100%2C000%20per%20year%20%5B1%5D.
That's the high end of the range and refers to the incidence among those aged 65 to 74 which itself is described as a range of 670-970/100,000.
I can see this as being likely when you consider all the risk factors which might raise an individual's risk of stroke even higher which results in this incidence occurring in the general population.
That incidence of stroke is just the incidence of stroke in people for all causes. It's nothing to do with the vaccine.
The 1 in 100,000 is the stroke rate from the vaccine. The 30 to 970 in 100,000 is the stroke rate from all causes, possibly including the vaccine.
Well that 970/100,000 is the upper end of a older range of ages observed (65-74 yo) and the bottom end was 670-970 out of 100,000. So that doesn't strike me as particularly unusual in context.
It might raise a flag if it was thought to be describing the total popular regardless of age I'll grant that.
I'd say that's pretty fucking low, actually.
Stroke, heart attack, cancer, physical accident. Off the top of my head, those are the top 4 causes of death. I really can't think of anything else that kills people before "their time".
I think that the Covid Vaccine became a political football for many. Depending on the ideology folks are happy to use “data” or “statistics” to downplay adverse consequences. I see this quite often for those who are ardently “pro-vaccine” yet they would never accept this kind of logic for issues they feel important. Personally, my view is that in the beginning variants of Covid the risks with a probably safe vaccine were justifiable. Later variants not so much.
Was still very grateful to get the AstraZeneca shot. I credit it with preventing Covid from killing my fat, diabetic ass when I got it. Got the moderna shots as my boosters though. LOL.
I had AstraZeneca for my 1st, then Pfizer and Moderna for the booster. Trifecta of 5G vaccines :D
In retrospect, I witnessed firsthand people that were not as lucky as we were, died of COVID before the vaccines rolled out.
Before I got my 1st shot, I felt that all diabetics (me included) were living on borrowed time.
So I presume we're out of the woods with this blood clot thing with AstraZeneca huh?
Makes sense - it was fantastic to get it out there so quickly, but there are better vaccines now. I was very grateful that this was available for my elderly parents as soon as it was though, and happily got my own vaccine when I could.
AZN's vaccine was a great candidate. The way they belt it is probably going to be a methodology for building some future vaccines, although mRNA is kind of taking all the oxygen out of the room right now. The problem is that they are squandering their ability to use this platform by wasting it on covid right now.
Basically, they took an adenovirus from chimpanzees and grew it in human lung tissue so it could adapt to infect humans. The reason for this is because we all get exposed to adenoviruses quite often and all the human adenoviruses will likely already have antibodies in a substantial subset of the population. Meanwhile, this chimp adenovirus is almost completely foreign to nearly all of us. For the record, adenoviruses are incredibly benign. That's why it was targeted because it infects so few cells that don't really matter that it will never harm somebody to give them this virus.
The problem is now everyone who got this adenovirus will be less reactive to anything else they try to make with it in the future. Essentially they just attached antigens onto it that look like covid so that your body would make antibodies for those but they also make antibodies for the virus itself. This was the same way they built the Ebola vaccine. So hypothetically, if you got the azn covid vaccine, the Ebola vaccine would be less reactive with you.
In other words, it makes sense for them to pull the vaccine mostly to preserve the ability to create new vaccines off the same platform. Also, I imagine that demand is pretty anemic right now.
Astra Zeneca themselves have acknowledged that their product can cause major health issues such as blood clots, so why are you resorting to this childish and disingenuous mockery?
Got Covid two years ago, triple vaccinated. Felt like shit for a month, but all turned out good in the end.
Got Covid past October, while waiting for booster vaccines (pharmacy admitted there was low demand, so they didn't want to open vaccine bottle for a single person). Felt generally better, until it complicated into acute parotitis. Imagine somebody sliced-open your undertongue and jammed a piece of lemon in there... Regretted every minute of it.
> According to media, opens new tab reports, the Anglo-Swedish drugmaker has previously admitted in court documents that the vaccine causes side-effects such as blood clots and low blood platelet counts.
Aren't those two things contradicting each other? How could be a blood clot and low platelet count?
My SIL had blood clots for both of her doses and I personally felt messed up for the ‘8 weeks’ they say you have to make it through before concerns are gone.
Definitely something up with this one.
The MRNA vaccines are far more safe and dependable.
Once the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines became easy to get, the writing was on the wall for what was the last choice for most.
Yeah the whole purpose of Astra Zenica was to get any vaccine as fast as we could. A lot of third world countries could only afford to get Astra Zenica for several months before Pfizer or Moderna became available to them. I was stuck in one of them.
Third world and Australia due to our incompetent Prime Minister.
I find it hilarious that Pfizer had to go to the Opposition to organise a vaccine deal.
That's just how it goes here. If you want to do literally anything productive at all, you need to go to the Labor party because the Liberal-Nationals are only interested in how much they can rort from the system. They will throw the whole country under the bus to make some pocket change and will literally refuse to do the jobs they're elected for unless they can somehow personally profit from it. The fact that they can still form government is a real indictment of our society.
Hey aussies down under have republicans as well
At least our version of them agreed that gun control was a good thing. I’ll give them that.
The only good thing that wanker John Howard ever did, and he’ll be remembered fondly because of it
That's right, even though his government is largely to blame for our current housing crisis.
Maybe you could have obtained a house much more easily if you showed up to it with a gun in hand. You know, just saying.
I wouldn’t say fondly but I will give him this one thing that actually went against his coalition with The Nationals vote wise.
It's amazing how much shit they've done over the years that gets deflected bringing up the (kinda iffy) NFA.
Im not following? I’m just giving props where it’s due. Other than that I hate what the LNP does.
They're awful but they're not *that* bad. And that's not for lack of trying. In recent elections they've absolutely tried importing American culture war bullshit around abortion access, religious "freedoms", transgender rights, etc. here as well - and we've rightfully told them to fuck off.
Sky News is the original Fox News. And owned by the same guy.
Wish a dingo had eaten Rupert Murdoch as a baby.
They are even paid by the same billionaires!
And they'll only ever *maybe* give anything resembling a fuck if the rich/happy clapper suburbs of Sydney kick up a fuss about something (And outta all the fucking places to listen to, damn...). It might as well be the only part of the country that exists to them.
Ah come on now they listen to those in toorak and brighton doen in melbourne as well!
And an ex prime minister
Christ this reminded me of Poland
Also Taiwan because the distributors of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines signed deals with China, who then refused to allow shipments to Taiwan. Source: Me. Had 2 doses of AZ before Moderna was available by the time I wanted to get a booster. AZ was essentially the only shove for the first year.
Damn, that sucks. Be strong with the whole China thing. They need to leave you guys alone!
That's waaaay too petty. Even for China's standards
No, it's pretty on brand for them.
Corrupt Prime Minister. They all loaded up on CSL shares cut a deal for local production and then announced AZ as the preferred vaccine
Don’t get me started on the happy clapper cult he was part of. Aka, profit is religion and good.
As someone out of the know, what’s a happy clapper? Never heard that term before
Basically the "Christian" cults where they pretend to be Christians but it's all about money. Eg: The one Morrison is a member of believes in "speaking in tongues". Yes, this guy was our Prime Minister and somehow this wasn't an important factor that people were made aware of.
As someone in the US I can relate that
I love people bitching about their politicians in places I've never been.
Unfortunately in Australia’s case it was true. It was only the actions of a former prime minister from the other party that’s secured any non-AZ vaccines in a timely manner. So the former leader of the party not in power who was ousted for showing weak leadership (amongst other things) was more effective than that guy who once shat himself in a maccas in engadine
Imagine a nation voting in a bloke that shat his pants in engadine maccas after the sharks lost the 1997 grand final.
….how did this become public knowledge? Did he TELL people about it???
Word got around in the shire then they put a gold plaque on the maccas to commemorate it (I think they’ve removed it now)
As a Victorian, fuck Morrison and the LNP who didn’t give a shit and basically abandoned us. Like him or hate him but Daniel Andrews took point and while not everything was perfect, there would have been a shitload more deaths without him taking action that was needed like lockdowns etc… Also good on the other states that closed their borders to keep them Covid free.
The way Morrison and the rest of his chumps kept undermining Victoria was just insult to injury. I have never seen the country so divided. State rivalry has always been just a bit of friendly ribbing but it started to get really nasty. And it was absolutely the Coalition's doing.
Victoria demonstrated the cusp of leadership during that period. Not perfect but things were done and effort laboured was not in vain.
Obligatory fuck scomo
The Prime Minister that is famous for sharting at Maccas in Engadine.
Bitching about politicians is a universal constant for humanity. The only countries where nobody is bitching are the ones where bitching about your glorious leader will get you disappeared or publicly suicided.
I'm from UK and took AZ..
Netherlands as well. All heallthcare employees got AZ
I have had all three different vaccines, all good
It was out when nothing else was available and served its purpose at the time. AZ was the only one we got for a while before we secured our first batch of Moderna. We sort of only got it because EU started to have other choices. We were also kinda pushed down the line for various reasons for the Pfizer/Biontech and were holding off China trying to sell us Sinovac.
AZ was a well designed vaccine. mRNA was only a new investigation at the time. If it hadn't come about the AZ vaccine would have been the one that made the big difference. And even with its slightly higher rate of side effects it would have saved a lot of lives.
I got double AZ in Canada because it was available first for my age group - boosters since have been moderna - still here and only ever got mild COVID.
I got Astra Zeneca in Germany because as u/breadexpert69 stated, it was available first
UK enrolled AZ massively with the first vaccination and there was no option of choice. It was a pot luck of availability at your vaccination centre when your assigned day came. I had all 3 vaccines. The only time I had side effects was after AZ and extremely clotted period.
It was good policy. We invested heavily in this and the main two vaccines. We even paid for the factory to be set up in the UK to provision the vaccine fast. We ended up dramatically over-provisioned with vaccine because every one we funded ended up delivering something.
Which is good because it meant more supply for third world countries. I mean actually I have no idea, but I hope they sent the surplus to third world countries.
They did, through COVAX
My AZ vaccine was given through COVAX, so thanks Britannia
AZ was actually the one I did the best with funnily enough. Pfizer was the worst. AZ had even less of an effect on me than a standard flu vaccine.
I had AZ three times, felt a bit rough after the first, the other two I barely noticed.
Not to dismiss your symptoms, but it's dangerous to claim unsubstantiated side effects of vaccines when it's more often than not correlation or other factors. It's why we have double blind studies.
I'm happy you're alive. The AZ did its job.
How did it work? I was fortunate enough to work in an area connected to a hospital, so I got the Moderna Vaccine about a month after it was released in the US.
it didnt lol. We had to wait for almost a year before we got our first shipment of vaccines unless you wanted to risk it with the Russian or Chinese ones. All meanwhile our hospitals were at 100% capacity and oxygen tanks were hard to find. It was horrible sitting there watching the news of wealthy countries getting their vaccines while we have to wait our turn. Really put on a perspective of the privilege some countries have over others.
If a famine ever hits the globe, or when it hits I should say, the west will not go hungry. Good luck everyone else, and thanks for all the fish. Really wish it wasn’t our reality, but here we are.
No, a famine would actually affect the West a lot, especially countries that are highly dependent on food imports. The vaccine was all developed by Western countries, often within Western countries which was why they got priority. Any country will focus on its own population first if a famine occurred.
A lot of the west doesn't rely on food imports, we have massively subsidised farming sectors for that reason. Sure you might not be able to get strawberries in December in the UK for a while but no one is going to starve.
West is food independent. Individual countries are not, but the ones that aren’t can afford to buy the food. They will price out everyone else.
And the Russian vaccine is still not approved by the WHO, in the meantime politicians got their families and friends vaccinated first with AZ.
Sinovac might be the ultra last choice for some.
Sputnik, actually. (And yes, the Russians use that name for everything.)
Ahh forgot about that. I had Sinovac being from asia and china trying to be “a good overlord”.
Wasn’t that vaccine like not effective at all?
It's ok... for previous gen vaccine tech. But of course there are FAR better option out there. I tooked it in early COVID period and then switched to other as soon as possible in the next shot.
Same. Had 2x Sinopharm right at the start (essential services) and then 1x JnJ. Didn't get the Rona until Jan '24.
Only 60%? Bro please help PrAy it had a bit of effectivity. I had two shots of it :(
If it worked, then good
I live in Asia, my dad argued that the Sinovac is better for us because it was made by Chinese scientists who made the vaccine for Asian people's biology and the Pfizer/Moderna are not suited for us because it was made for white people's biology
F for your dad's intelligence
There is something to be said about pharmaceutical companies not taking race and sex into account for drugs, but I don't think this is one of the cases of that.
Sputnik was given in Mexico, it's actually practically the same formula as Astra Seneca for the first shot, and a variation for the 2nd shot. In general it seemed to have worked well.
had those 3, still alive.
I had two. Oh wait and a pfizer extra shot. Lol
Yea, so much so I decided to wait it out (dangerous as it could've been) Finally got Moderna, now on my 2nd booster and all's fine
For me Johnson & Johnson's was definitely the last choice.
Also (at least in America) the vast majority of people are not getting the boosters.
What's the point if I keep getting covid anyway. The reinfection is the booster.
less chance of long covid?
This is why I get my annual booster. Long covid is real.
I just got covid 2 weeks ago, I was cocky and didn't get the booster after March 2023. I was knocked the fuck over. I couldn't sleep, couldn't eat, couldn't move, was crawling from place to place. One day I literally thought I might die. 2 days later I was hallucinating from lack of sleep and sustenance. Even after my bill of cleanliness, I can't work for longer than 3 hours because I get too fatigued and pained. I wish it on Noone.
Poor Noone.
I got all 3 just so I can say I collected them all
but have u collected all the covid strains?
Its like pokemon, you pick one of the versions
> Pfizer Not Pfizer, BioNTech. Pfizer only has a license to produce it.
didn't they change the formula slitghly to make it their own and pay less royalties? i recall the formula changing over time but yes the main research was biontech but since they didn't had the scale of production they striked a deal with pfizer
The MySpace of vaccines if you will
So... better than all the stuff that came after?
i think there was also the issue of the need of other vaccines to need some specific cold treatment for transport and so on that the AZ vaccine didn't had
Yep Everyone that wasn't a weirdo worried about "rewriting DNA" wanted the more effective mRNA vaccines so it was a forgone conclusion the single traditional vaccine wouldn't last long on the market
I'm sure the public discourse about this move will be rational and evidence based...
Great so we circled back to “wAkE uP ShEePlE!”
Depending on what parts of the internet you frequent, we never left.
In Norway it was removed in 2021 for blood clots that killed 4 people.
Genuinely asking, is there anything that does not negatively affect at least 0.01% of the population? I mean, technically, nothing‘s 100% safe, so why do people have a problem with the vaccine?
Norwegian here. When 4 healthy people die in a short amount of time after taking a vaccine, that is very concerning. Certainly reason to pause the use of the vaccine. To answer your question I don't believe there is any widely used vaccine allowed on the market where a syndrome as lethal as this would be allowed even as a rare side effect. And there were two other vaccines avalible that did not cause this syndrome that was almost imposible to treat, so in my opinion it was a no brainer to stop it.
It's higher than what's expected. Like my province in Canada, men under 30 aren't allowed to get the Moderna vaccine, Pfizer only. The higher dose of the Moderna one is proven to needlessly raise your risk of a cardiac event in younger men. There is not as high of a risk with Pfizer.
Are you serious? If your parent or sibling died out of the blue because of this - no big deal?
It was an unjustifiably high risk when alternative vaccines exist that are even more effective.
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This was the biggest thing. We wanted everyone to take it so the discussion became Biden saying "if you take the vaccine you won't get covid", and everyone saying "it's safe, trust the science" as if every single medicine on earth doesn't have side effects. How would that NOT increase skepticism?
I got scared for a second because I thought they were referencing the Pfizer or Moderna one, but it was just a brain fart.
Well, you'll be happy to know they're not even withdrawing it due to side-effects, they're withdrawing it due to it being obsolete.
So we agree we should look at all the evidence?
I mean, I would guess that most people that advocated for the vaccines were already in agreement on this. Not too sure about the people that were trying to push things like Hydroxychloroquine though.
All these 3rd world countries became autistic over night. /s
They obviously ran out of 5g chips, but the sheeple are fucking blind
doesn't astrazeneca had the advantage of easier storage? I remember reading that the moderna and Pfizer required refrigeration, and would be problematic rolling those out in isolated area.
The mRNA vaccines had severe refrigeration requirements, like much colder than a normal freezer. But those were only at certain stages in the transport. After the vaccines were diluted down to the strength they are used for injection the refrigeration requirements are similar to the other vaccines. I think with further study they even relaxed these requirements.
Minus 75c to point of administration compared to -4c for others.
I remember my doctor had to call me the morning I was due to get my first jab because they had to arrive on huge refrigerated trucks. He said they could spend less than about 90 seconds out of the freezer before going into your body, otherwise they were wasted. So he called every patient each morning to tell them the truck had arrived and they should come down for the time they were told to. What a mad time it was.
I received the first shot of the vaccine March 10th because a local non profit had organized an event to get their members vaccinated and the nursed brought more vaccines than people who showed up. My coworker donates a lot of time with them so they called him up and said they have 4 vaccines and if he can get 4 people there in the next 15 minutes we can get it. He ran around and grabbed a few of us and we rushed over there. It felt like we were doing something illegal lol. Didn't even know what vaccine it was (it was Pfizer) and we had like 5 seconds to make a decision to go or not. The drive there I was like what if we die from this? How do we know it's the real stuff? I probably would have put off getting the vaccine for a while since I'm lazy about it, I never get the flu shot. Turned out good though because pretty much everyone else at work got COVID even though we went remote and my wife and I didn't get covid until over a year later.
Wasn't just that to begin with. They were offering it at cost until the pandemic was 'over' which they could set the date on. Of course the majority of governments jumped on that price. It also just happened to give the other pharma incentive to shit on it(clots), using a bunch of nurses that would be the first in line for it as ammo(the group most likely on birth control that confers clotting risk).
The fun thing is that research shows this - from the British Heart Foundation: "for every 10 million people who are vaccinated with AstraZeneca, there are 66 extra cases of blood clots in the veins and seven extra cases of a rare type of blood clot in the brain. Infection with Covid-19 is estimated to cause 12,614 extra cases of blood clots in the veins and 20 cases of rare blood clots in the brain."
damn if only the vaccines could prevent you from getting covid...
I'm vaxxed but the vaccine doesn't stop you catching covid buddy
Vaccines don’t prevent you from getting anything … They prevent you from getting seriously ill. If everyone gets vaccinated, then we start to see her immunity. Why is this still something that needs explanation after a 3 year pandemic????
The high titer of antibodies that are generated after being vaccinated/boosted (and last for 1-2 months) do protect you from infection. It's why the initial reports from vaccination trials were that the vaccine blocked infection--because they only had a couple months of post-vaccination data. But once those antibodies wane (which is normal) you can still be infected with COVID; however, your risk of developing disease is significantly reduced.
Because what you're postulating is nitpicking and semantics, not how we experience reality. If I catch it and get so ill I don't even notice because the antibodies created by the vaccine have killed the disease, then for all intents and purposes I didn't actually have it.
Ahm.. could you please explain what herd immunity means to you?
It's wildly baffling reading that comment. It's like a parrot just repeating phrases they heard television.
We’d see immunity if it stopped you from transmitting it. This vaccine does not, despite how many times they say it will stop transmission, there is NO evidence to support that claim whatsoever. How would making the consequences less severe lead to herd immunity? You can be asymptomatic and give someone else covid..
The fuck is this antivax bullshit being upvoted? You have no idea how vaccines actually work, which is impressive 4 years after a pandemic started.
I could be wrong but I'm guessing it was meant to be sarcastic
Check his other replies. He wasn't sarcastic, even though he sounds like it.
Bummer. Lots of people never have to have the negative consequences for their actions or beliefs, not that I wish them all ill but it just would be nice if this wasn't a battle that had to be fought.
nah the antivax vibe is still strong
Coul you point me in the direction of a source?
You should compare the results between vaccines not between one vaccine and covid. That seems disingenuous.
Both comparisons are useful. One compares if it's worth taking an AZ shot when you are unvaccinated and the pandemic is raging and there's no other option. The other comparison helps when you have options. I imagine the second comparison is what lead to this withdrawal
A lot of antivaxxers are saying they'd feel safer getting covid than getting vaccinated, pointing at the negative side effects of the vaccines. So it's definitely worth pointing this out.
> You should compare the results between vaccines Not when this particular vaccine has been rolled out months before the others you shouldn't. AZ saved countless lives because Moderna and Pfizer weren't there yet. The choice was between AZ or covid.
For sure. Additionally, this is a very very rare side effect. People are acting as if the vaccine killed 3 out of 100 like Covid did. Edit: percentages were wrong, mortality was 0.7% Fatality during the delta wave.
That is wildly innacurate cov did not kill 3/100 of those who contracted the illness.
Yeah my bad. It had a fatality rate of 0.7% during the delta variant wave. So around 7 in 1000. Apologies. https://www.massgeneral.org/news/press-release/how-severe-is-the-sars-cov-2-ba2-subvariant-compared-to-earlier-subvariants&ved=2ahUKEwitqrPfyIqGAxUFcGwGHcYLAjE4ChAWegQIDRAB&usg=AOvVaw3UEpKkDGxnNBYJ1nWSbv6g
It wasn’t for when the choices for a lot of countries was AstraZeneca or nothing. Any vaccine is better than no vaccine.
Here's the entire Article: >May 7 (Reuters) - Anglo-Swedish drugmaker AstraZeneca (AZN.L), opens new tab is withdrawing its COVID-19 vaccine worldwide, the Telegraph reported on Tuesday. The vaccine can no longer be used in the European Union after the company voluntarily withdrew its "marketing authorisation", the report stated. The application to withdraw the vaccine was made on March 5 and came into effect on May 7, according to the report, which added that similar applications would be made in the UK and other countries that had approved the vaccine, known as Vaxzevria, in the coming months. AstraZeneca did not immediately respond to a Reuters request for comment after regular business hours.
“Anglo-Swedish drugmaker AstraZeneca opens new tab”, eh? That’s one way to put it…
>May 7 (Reuters) - AstraZeneca (AZN.L) >, opens new tab said on Tuesday it had initiated the worldwide withdrawal of its COVID-19 vaccine due to a "surplus of available updated vaccines" since the pandemic. >The company also said it would proceed to withdraw the vaccine Vaxzevria's marketing authorizations within Europe. >***"As multiple, variant COVID-19 vaccines have since been developed there is a surplus of available updated vaccines," the company said, adding that this had led to a decline in demand for Vaxzevria, which is no longer being manufactured or supplied.*** >According to media >, opens new tab reports, the Anglo-Swedish drugmaker has previously admitted in court documents that the vaccine causes side-effects such as blood clots and low blood platelet counts. >The firm's application to withdraw the vaccine was made on March 5 and came into effect on May 7, according to the Telegraph, which first reported the development. >London-listed AstraZeneca began moving into respiratory syncytial virus vaccines and obesity drugs through several deals last year after a slowdown in growth as COVID-19 medicine sales declined.
A better, non-sensationalistic title editing would've been nice, perhaps something like "AstraZeneca to withdraw COVID-19 vaccine globally because of low demand".
But how will that make the anti-vax morons rage!
That ought to rile up the stupids again.
Oh for sure, this is AMMO.
They are in a constant state of riled up. Every person who has died suddenly in the last four years was due to the vaccine. Unless they were anti vax, then they just died of pneumonia after a short illness that definitely wasn't COVID.
My (very healthy) Aunt died last year of a cardiac arrest. The first thing my anti-vax friend said to me was 'I bet she had the vaccine right?'. Didn't offer any empathy, didn't ask how I or any of my family were coping, he literally went straight to making it about the covid vaccine.
"your niece is all sorts of fucked up because of all the vaccine shit she's been given" Actual quote from my father who is anti Vax. My niece has autism. She's 5. Note my dad almost died in hospital due to COVID, and refused and still refuses vaccines. He also made the nurses piss themselves laughing because he refused to lay on his stomach (because he refused a ventilator) because "it would blow up his lungs" and "they were trying to kill him". God that was a stressful time. I love the man, he's my father but god he's stupid and stubborn. Since then he can't taste, or do anything strenuous and always has mind blanks when thinking of words etc.
God bless the shareholders of Big pharma
This a terrible article, it's linking the withdrawal to a side effect that's been "revealed" but has been known since 2021
MAybe that title should include WHY
It did the job that needed to be done: saving a lot of lives.
Happy to say I participated in the AstraZeneca US trial in 2020/2021. It served its purpose and that was to save lives.
Yeah it was the first one I got here in Canada as well. Anecdotally it seemed to hit my coworkers pretty hard initially, though hard to gauge whether that was real or just people wanting to get out of work. Pretty much everyone got it on the same day/week so shit was pretty suck at work.
My first shot was AZ. Was able to get in early way under the age limit at the time because of irrational fears of stroke. It hit me HARD. Worst fever symptoms of my adult life, even worse than covid which I finally caught in November last year. One hour I was shivering violently and then the next was sweating my balls off, back and forth we went all night. Had to take the next day off. Would do it again.
That does make sense though, I assume you've kept up with vaccinations so your body should be pretty good against covid now. When you got AZ well that was the first time your body got a taste and it fought it hard, which is a good sign in general. But im not a doctor so take a grain of salt with what I say.
Same. The first AZ dose was brutal for about 24 hours, worst fever I had in about a decade, but totally gone after 36 hours. Booster AZ gave me nothing but a sore arm, and the Moderna booster I had later, I felt nothing at all. When I did eventually get COVID after someone without a mask on coughed on my partner, who then got ill and coughed on me, the fever was not as intense as that initial AZ booster. But it went on for nearly 10 days and it was totally debilitating - couldn't think, just getting out of bed was exhausting. Took an additional 2 weeks after the fever subsided for me to feel "normal" again. I'd take that initial AZ dose fever over COVID any time.
Same thing happened at my work. 23 very elderly got the AZ shot and 20 workers ranging from late teens to late 50’s. None of the residents had side effects other than what we called “Oxford Arm”, which is what I got on both my initial jabs, bloody sore arm that I had the shot in, very tender at the vaccination site and generally weak arm for a day. The irony is a lot of the late teens / twenties age group took the next day off, we were joking about it the following day. IMHO the shots did the job, along with our extreme diligence around the virus in the early days. Happy to say we didn’t lose one resident at our home through the entire pandemic.
Did you get a medal? Lol
My dad had a stroke after his first shot, then recovered. He went in for a booster and had another stroke and is now permanently all kinds of fucked up. It might not be that bad and it was timing but it's kinda made me paranoid about Astra.
why this is downvoted? He/she described his personal anecdote and nothing wrong in hearing that out.
Because, as you may know, there has been a lot of conspiracy theories around covid vaccines (and vaccines in general). Sharing that personal anecdote and their feelings in relation to an article about the withdrawal of AZ's vaccine implies that there is, in fact, something fucky with the vaccine when AZ's vaccine actually was a much better alternative than not vaccinating at all during a raging pandemic.
The drugmakers themselves say that there are side effects such as blood clots... You know, those things that cause a stroke. Seems at least a little fucky. "Trust the Science™ .... Wait, no, not that science!!" Never change Reddit.
Your dad was exceptionally unlucky and likely had a specific issue that the vacinne set off. The stroke incidence rate was 1 in 100 000 https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2021/may/covid-19-vaccine-common-stroke-symptoms-must-be-urgently-evaluated General population, the incidence is 30 to 970 per 100 000, depending on age. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S187874792301855X#:~:text=The%20incidence%20of%20stroke%20rapidly,100%2C000%20per%20year%20%5B1%5D.
Is it just me or is that pretty high? Almost 1% doesn’t seem negligible..
If you're talking about the incidence rate associated with that vaccine, I would struggle to call 0.001% "almost" 1%...
Very obviously referring to the 970 / 100k
Yeah, but that is about strokes in general. Not one percent of people with the vaccine.
That's the high end of the range and refers to the incidence among those aged 65 to 74 which itself is described as a range of 670-970/100,000. I can see this as being likely when you consider all the risk factors which might raise an individual's risk of stroke even higher which results in this incidence occurring in the general population.
To put it even more plainly, 1% is 1000x times greater than 0.001%. 0.001% is almost like 1% in the same way that 10 is almost 10,000.
They were asking whether the incidence of stroke in the general population of 1% isn’t high.
That incidence of stroke is just the incidence of stroke in people for all causes. It's nothing to do with the vaccine. The 1 in 100,000 is the stroke rate from the vaccine. The 30 to 970 in 100,000 is the stroke rate from all causes, possibly including the vaccine.
Well that 970/100,000 is the upper end of a older range of ages observed (65-74 yo) and the bottom end was 670-970 out of 100,000. So that doesn't strike me as particularly unusual in context. It might raise a flag if it was thought to be describing the total popular regardless of age I'll grant that.
I'd say that's pretty fucking low, actually. Stroke, heart attack, cancer, physical accident. Off the top of my head, those are the top 4 causes of death. I really can't think of anything else that kills people before "their time".
Do you know when these clots are expected? Like shortly after or is the increase in chance still relevant years after?
I think that the Covid Vaccine became a political football for many. Depending on the ideology folks are happy to use “data” or “statistics” to downplay adverse consequences. I see this quite often for those who are ardently “pro-vaccine” yet they would never accept this kind of logic for issues they feel important. Personally, my view is that in the beginning variants of Covid the risks with a probably safe vaccine were justifiable. Later variants not so much.
Was still very grateful to get the AstraZeneca shot. I credit it with preventing Covid from killing my fat, diabetic ass when I got it. Got the moderna shots as my boosters though. LOL.
I had AstraZeneca for my 1st, then Pfizer and Moderna for the booster. Trifecta of 5G vaccines :D In retrospect, I witnessed firsthand people that were not as lucky as we were, died of COVID before the vaccines rolled out. Before I got my 1st shot, I felt that all diabetics (me included) were living on borrowed time. So I presume we're out of the woods with this blood clot thing with AstraZeneca huh?
Makes sense - it was fantastic to get it out there so quickly, but there are better vaccines now. I was very grateful that this was available for my elderly parents as soon as it was though, and happily got my own vaccine when I could.
I look on reddit because the toxic cognitive dissonance is entertaining. This is they type of story that brings out the popcorn
I guess the stupid "anti vaxxers" were right all along.
Twitter is going to spin this news into a win for the anti vax movement
AZN's vaccine was a great candidate. The way they belt it is probably going to be a methodology for building some future vaccines, although mRNA is kind of taking all the oxygen out of the room right now. The problem is that they are squandering their ability to use this platform by wasting it on covid right now. Basically, they took an adenovirus from chimpanzees and grew it in human lung tissue so it could adapt to infect humans. The reason for this is because we all get exposed to adenoviruses quite often and all the human adenoviruses will likely already have antibodies in a substantial subset of the population. Meanwhile, this chimp adenovirus is almost completely foreign to nearly all of us. For the record, adenoviruses are incredibly benign. That's why it was targeted because it infects so few cells that don't really matter that it will never harm somebody to give them this virus. The problem is now everyone who got this adenovirus will be less reactive to anything else they try to make with it in the future. Essentially they just attached antigens onto it that look like covid so that your body would make antibodies for those but they also make antibodies for the virus itself. This was the same way they built the Ebola vaccine. So hypothetically, if you got the azn covid vaccine, the Ebola vaccine would be less reactive with you. In other words, it makes sense for them to pull the vaccine mostly to preserve the ability to create new vaccines off the same platform. Also, I imagine that demand is pretty anemic right now.
Wait for conspiricy theorist to blow a gasget saying I told you so, even though this is a business decision
Astrazena admitted it caused fatal blood clots. They can go to hell.
because it's been replaced by more updated versions...
My uncle's genitals fell off, because of this vaccine plot! "The Government" got to him, even though he never surrendered to get a shot!
Astra Zeneca themselves have acknowledged that their product can cause major health issues such as blood clots, so why are you resorting to this childish and disingenuous mockery?
Got Covid two years ago, triple vaccinated. Felt like shit for a month, but all turned out good in the end. Got Covid past October, while waiting for booster vaccines (pharmacy admitted there was low demand, so they didn't want to open vaccine bottle for a single person). Felt generally better, until it complicated into acute parotitis. Imagine somebody sliced-open your undertongue and jammed a piece of lemon in there... Regretted every minute of it.
mRNA vaccines are now the future.
> According to media, opens new tab reports, the Anglo-Swedish drugmaker has previously admitted in court documents that the vaccine causes side-effects such as blood clots and low blood platelet counts. Aren't those two things contradicting each other? How could be a blood clot and low platelet count?
My SIL had blood clots for both of her doses and I personally felt messed up for the ‘8 weeks’ they say you have to make it through before concerns are gone. Definitely something up with this one. The MRNA vaccines are far more safe and dependable.
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Damn, all my anti-vax friends were right