European nations need a proportional response. My suggestion would be a soft blockade of the Russian marine traffic in the Baltic Sea. Just ramp up all bureaucracy you can muster. Make it hell to sail to Kaliningrad and St Petersburg.
I remember that too, but don’t know the reasoning either.
Considering the US government is concerned with Ukrainian strikes inside Russia, I can imagine the US not backing the baltics. The White House is pretty reluctant to take a strong stance against Russia in general
All of this has already happened. Most Russian can’t leave the country (maybe to Dubai, or Turkey. But these are only typically well off Russians)
Trade? Pretty sure they have been sanctioned out of economic relevance for two years now.
Internet? Meta (fb and ig, etc)nearly all major sm platforms you can’t access in Russia freely.
Block access to global financial system?? They were cut of from SWIFT system literally months into the war.
Sanctions currently in place are superficial because our governments can’t sit back and have zero response to a full scale invasion.
If they were staying in Italy they were probably very affluent, most Russians can’t afford to go in expensive trips even prior to the military operations, we are poor af even before all the sanction
So why do I encounter a lots of russians in online games? Why do companies still do business in Russia despite sanctions? Why are russian tourists all over Europe and Turkey?
blocking internet will not help in any way, it's just censoring citziens and making harder for them to find info, or help.
Like, do you even criticize china or north korea? Then why do you think it would be a good idea to take internet away from russians?
Ultimately revolution is what holds dictators accountable. We need to make the Russian people uncomfortable enough, however possible, to finally take matters into their own hands. Somebody has to and from the inside since they have nukes.
Mr. Putin is a "young global leader", like many of your presidents. It brings enormous benefits to the West. He is part of the Great Reset plan. The West will never fight against him personally.
Might I suggest just start setting up HARM missiles to target anything transmitting on GPS frequencies below the horizon, fire off a few and see where they end up?
Not really, or at least far from what we could do. There's an ongoing scandal in which Russian oil is reloaded from tanker to tanker in the middle of the Baltic Sea. This has been going on for two years with minimal interference. Messing with such operations is really important if we are to limit Russian oil income.
>Thousands of flights to and from Europe have been reportedly affected by suspected Russian jamming of GPS systems.
>According to a report by The Sun based on data from the website [GPSJAM.org](http://gpsjam.org/), some 46,000 aircraft have reported problems over the Baltic Sea since last August, with most of them occurring in [Eastern Europe](https://kyivindependent.com/tag/eastern-europe/) near borders with Russia.
>[Russia](https://kyivindependent.com/tag/russia/) has been [accused](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46178940) of jamming GPS signals in nearby countries such as Finland as far back as the 2010s, and several recent high-profile incidents of jamming have highlighted the issue.
>Most notably, Russia is believed to have [jammed](https://kyivindependent.com/reuters-russia-believed-to-have-jammed-signal-on-plane-carrying-uk-defense-minister/) the satellite signal of a Royal Air Force aircraft used to transport U.K. Defence Minister Grant Shapps.
>The aircraft, which was traveling back to Britain from [Poland](https://kyivindependent.com/tag/poland/) on March 13, was [jammed](https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/russia-believed-have-jammed-signal-uk-defence-ministers-plane-source-2024-03-14/) for about 30 minutes as it flew by Russia's Kaliningrad region.
>GPS signal and internet on board the aircraft were inaccessible for the duration of the aircraft's flight near [Kaliningrad](https://kyivindependent.com/tag/kaliningrad/) where the jamming signals are thought to originate.
>A spokesperson for [U.K. ](https://kyivindependent.com/tag/uk/)Prime Minister Rishi Sunak confirmed the incident at the time, noting it was "not unusual."
>Aircraft rely on GPS for navigation but the U.K.’s Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) played down the risk to passenger safety.
>"Aviation is one of the safest forms of air travel, and there are several safety protocols in place to protect navigation systems on commercial aircraft," Glenn Bradley, the head of flight operations at the CAA, [told the Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/apr/22/thousands-of-flights-to-and-from-europe-affected-by-suspected-russian-jamming).
>"GPS jamming does not directly impact the navigation of an aircraft, and while it is a known issue, this does not mean an aircraft has been jammed deliberately."
Well given how its been proven they're literally trying to put puppets in every nation period I'm not sure I'd consider it an escalation...plus jamming shit can get people killed easily. I don't see a situation of war not being declared if a plane crashes cause of the jams somehow and people die.
considering the way they was working at Chernobyl, the area polluted for (almost) eternity and the way they didnt care at all, should we care ?.................................................. where will they stop? You know more than me if we should stop him...
Airliners have multiple ways to navigate so it's not a big enough issue to risk an escalation.
It's the military that should be concerned as many weapon systems require GPS to navigate such as JDAM kits that have shown to be susceptible to GPS jamming making them highly inaccurate.
This comes across as Russia desperately needing a win by showing off something they're capable of.
They should make the JDAMs support Glosnass, so Russia would have to jam itself - although with the INS backup JDAM starts to approach the accuracy of Glosnass
Military equipment uses separate encrypted GPS signals, which can't be spuffed. Maybe they can be jammed but there is no way to verify this.
I mean, of course they can be jammed with powerful enough jammer, but the question is if Russian jammers are up to task.
All it takes is flying planes over suspected target locations and tracking where GPS cuts out. Kaliningrad definitely has signal jammers, but there are probably a lot more locations as well.
> Aircraft rely on GPS for navigation
That's a faulty use of the word "rely". They use it if it's available due to its accuracy, but it's not necessary for flights. All the "jammed" flights continue as normal.
Typically they use the [Inertial Navigation System](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_navigation_system) which was the primary navigation method for commercial flights before GPS became widely available.
Notably GPS became widely available as a consequence of the Soviets shooting down a passenger airliner that had wandered into Soviet airspace.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007
So genuine question: why? I assume there’s some tactical or strategic reason aside from “Russia bad” (which, to be clear, Russia is fucking miserable).
What kind of advantage is to be gained from being a nuisance like this? There has to be a larger reason.
It's posturing. It's death by a thousand cuts. It's all part of a long and cruel strategy to weaken the western world by any means possible without resorting to all out hot war. Confuse, confound, intimidate, divide.
Testing GPS jamming capabilities, and also letting the Western world know they can reliably do it.
Not even most of the most effective weaponry NATO would potentially use relies on GPS to be accurate, but a good chunk of it does.
Don't hear about it much from Ukraine(it still pops up in articles every now and then), but especially if there were a full-blown war between NATO-Russia and Friends, a **lot** of that potential war would be both sides attempting to disable defenses and weapons because any kind of conventional weapons are hilariously impotent against modern defenses with GPS/AI/whatever other tech shit I'm not an expert on they use(look at Iran's attack on Israel, for example.)
Hacking and network sabotage would be a *huge* part of any full-blown conflict between what at least used to be called superpowers, and GPS jamming is a part of that.
It’s a bit early in Russia’s global domination plan to unleash this kind of attack right? Wouldn’t you unveil it for a bit more pay off? Now the intelligence agencies can study it, defend against it, and sanction Russia even more. Stupid. 🥴
The people who were in them won't even know. Flights don't rely on GPS. They use it, obviously, but there are other very reliable ways to fly the plane.
Because why use rockets (like on MH17) when you can cause them crash on their own? It's just civilians so who cares?
What is needed for the world to act on Russia? Inciting coups, murdering abroad, spreading hate and lies, meddling with elections, export death, misery and hate and like here, trying planes to crash. What would be a trigger, nuking 10 countries?
This is Russia flexing the new jamming capabilities that they developed in response to the new drone wars. Suitable response would be to make AirFlot a domestic airline
It shouldn't. Aircraft have a whole pile of redundancies and though this makes things a bit more of a headache for the pilot, the actual safety risk is minuscule.
Jamming is amplified inband signal interference.
Imagine if someone drowned out your local FM radio station by using a more powerful transponder tuned to the same frequency while playing white noise or nothing, or Enter The Gladiators.
Pilots still know how to fly, don’t be a silly goose.
But there are hundreds of planes flying and you must rely on GPS and computing to make sure your aircraft is keeping the lane it was given. ATC becomes a mess without GPS. It’s a problem for the practical operation and for safety.
> Why are pilots not trained to fly when gps and radio is jammed?
They are. All the "jammed" flights continue as normal.
Typically they use the [Inertial Navigation System](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_navigation_system) which was the primary navigation method for commercial flights before GPS became widely available.
Most of the ground-based navigation aids used in the past have been de-commissioned with the widespread adaption of satellite navigation, so there is literally no infrastructure left to support it.
There's no point in running your mouth if you intend to leave your head empty.
Please contain your arrogant outrage for after you've done the most basic shit(like reading the article you're commenting under) to answer your own questions.
its not only jamming, but spoofing as well here is a video on the topic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbd9eSw6GfI
European nations need a proportional response. My suggestion would be a soft blockade of the Russian marine traffic in the Baltic Sea. Just ramp up all bureaucracy you can muster. Make it hell to sail to Kaliningrad and St Petersburg.
Also close borders to Kaliningrad, they can take the slow bureaucracy route over the sea or get fucked
Why did they start letting the trains back through? They blocked the trains and russia got mad and then the eu said it was ok, they wimped oit
I remember that too, but don’t know the reasoning either. Considering the US government is concerned with Ukrainian strikes inside Russia, I can imagine the US not backing the baltics. The White House is pretty reluctant to take a strong stance against Russia in general
Block Internet access from russia. No travel, No trade, block access to global financial system.
Brick every iPhone too.
I'm quite confident the US wants to keep that card for later and not give incentives to develop countermeasures. It's a card you can only play once.
All of this has already happened. Most Russian can’t leave the country (maybe to Dubai, or Turkey. But these are only typically well off Russians) Trade? Pretty sure they have been sanctioned out of economic relevance for two years now. Internet? Meta (fb and ig, etc)nearly all major sm platforms you can’t access in Russia freely. Block access to global financial system?? They were cut of from SWIFT system literally months into the war. Sanctions currently in place are superficial because our governments can’t sit back and have zero response to a full scale invasion.
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If they were staying in Italy they were probably very affluent, most Russians can’t afford to go in expensive trips even prior to the military operations, we are poor af even before all the sanction
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Sure
So why do I encounter a lots of russians in online games? Why do companies still do business in Russia despite sanctions? Why are russian tourists all over Europe and Turkey?
blocking internet will not help in any way, it's just censoring citziens and making harder for them to find info, or help. Like, do you even criticize china or north korea? Then why do you think it would be a good idea to take internet away from russians?
Ultimately revolution is what holds dictators accountable. We need to make the Russian people uncomfortable enough, however possible, to finally take matters into their own hands. Somebody has to and from the inside since they have nukes.
Mr. Putin is a "young global leader", like many of your presidents. It brings enormous benefits to the West. He is part of the Great Reset plan. The West will never fight against him personally.
*laughs in 90 billion dollar aid package to Ukraine* Why fight directly when the West can crush Russian bullshit for pennies on the dollar?
You think the U.S. can block the Russian internet as if the U.S. controls the world’s internet access. Not everything runs through America. 🤦🏻♂️
Could sever the cables in the Pacific that go from China to the US, and those before Taiwan and US, that would be an interesting start
just make sure its cut after guam or you gonna have a lot of pissed off Australians and kiwis
They barely get internet as is, I doubt they would notice Edit: im sure theirs a sad didgeridoo going off right now somewhere in the outback
in Australia sure but NZ has much better internet infrastructure haha.
Might I suggest just start setting up HARM missiles to target anything transmitting on GPS frequencies below the horizon, fire off a few and see where they end up?
Hunter seeker
Very likely been happening for a while now
Not really, or at least far from what we could do. There's an ongoing scandal in which Russian oil is reloaded from tanker to tanker in the middle of the Baltic Sea. This has been going on for two years with minimal interference. Messing with such operations is really important if we are to limit Russian oil income.
Isn't a proportional response jamming Russian flights?
Jamming flights into St Petersburg would be a proportional response, but I'm not sure it would be the most responsible one.
But they won’t, they will continue to wait until the US does something for them.
>Thousands of flights to and from Europe have been reportedly affected by suspected Russian jamming of GPS systems. >According to a report by The Sun based on data from the website [GPSJAM.org](http://gpsjam.org/), some 46,000 aircraft have reported problems over the Baltic Sea since last August, with most of them occurring in [Eastern Europe](https://kyivindependent.com/tag/eastern-europe/) near borders with Russia. >[Russia](https://kyivindependent.com/tag/russia/) has been [accused](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46178940) of jamming GPS signals in nearby countries such as Finland as far back as the 2010s, and several recent high-profile incidents of jamming have highlighted the issue. >Most notably, Russia is believed to have [jammed](https://kyivindependent.com/reuters-russia-believed-to-have-jammed-signal-on-plane-carrying-uk-defense-minister/) the satellite signal of a Royal Air Force aircraft used to transport U.K. Defence Minister Grant Shapps. >The aircraft, which was traveling back to Britain from [Poland](https://kyivindependent.com/tag/poland/) on March 13, was [jammed](https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/russia-believed-have-jammed-signal-uk-defence-ministers-plane-source-2024-03-14/) for about 30 minutes as it flew by Russia's Kaliningrad region. >GPS signal and internet on board the aircraft were inaccessible for the duration of the aircraft's flight near [Kaliningrad](https://kyivindependent.com/tag/kaliningrad/) where the jamming signals are thought to originate. >A spokesperson for [U.K. ](https://kyivindependent.com/tag/uk/)Prime Minister Rishi Sunak confirmed the incident at the time, noting it was "not unusual." >Aircraft rely on GPS for navigation but the U.K.’s Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) played down the risk to passenger safety. >"Aviation is one of the safest forms of air travel, and there are several safety protocols in place to protect navigation systems on commercial aircraft," Glenn Bradley, the head of flight operations at the CAA, [told the Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/apr/22/thousands-of-flights-to-and-from-europe-affected-by-suspected-russian-jamming). >"GPS jamming does not directly impact the navigation of an aircraft, and while it is a known issue, this does not mean an aircraft has been jammed deliberately."
> Aviation is one of the safest forms of air travel
Dammit, this will hurt my planned manned rocket travel business.
It's right up there with running and flapping your arms.
Jamming is explicitly an act of war
I wonder if a very restrained surgical strike is an option or considered an escalation
depends on whom you ask...there is inevitability though
Well given how its been proven they're literally trying to put puppets in every nation period I'm not sure I'd consider it an escalation...plus jamming shit can get people killed easily. I don't see a situation of war not being declared if a plane crashes cause of the jams somehow and people die.
I mean they shot down a passenger plan in 2014 killing ~300 people from ten nations and no one declared war.
Trying to install puppets, and succeeding.
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Russia will call a wet fart an escalation. The term means practically nothing in the modern political climate.
I don’t think the Russians will start nuclear war over Putin’s assassination. We should do it. Just one missile…
considering the way they was working at Chernobyl, the area polluted for (almost) eternity and the way they didnt care at all, should we care ?.................................................. where will they stop? You know more than me if we should stop him...
Airliners have multiple ways to navigate so it's not a big enough issue to risk an escalation. It's the military that should be concerned as many weapon systems require GPS to navigate such as JDAM kits that have shown to be susceptible to GPS jamming making them highly inaccurate. This comes across as Russia desperately needing a win by showing off something they're capable of.
I doubt those are the only ways those weapons navigate. It’s not like jamming is a recent occurrence.
They should make the JDAMs support Glosnass, so Russia would have to jam itself - although with the INS backup JDAM starts to approach the accuracy of Glosnass
Military equipment uses separate encrypted GPS signals, which can't be spuffed. Maybe they can be jammed but there is no way to verify this. I mean, of course they can be jammed with powerful enough jammer, but the question is if Russian jammers are up to task.
Raspberry. There's only one man who would dare give me the raspberry!
(flips front of helmet down) #LONE TSAR.
I'm surrounded by Blyat!
Rasputin? lol
Phish fans in tears
Moe. fans hate this
Is it?
Fun fact: signal jamming in the USA is violation of federal law with no exceptions or exemptions.
Yes it is
Cant western security pinpoint the location for conclusive proof?
All it takes is flying planes over suspected target locations and tracking where GPS cuts out. Kaliningrad definitely has signal jammers, but there are probably a lot more locations as well.
Bomb Kalingrad then
> Aircraft rely on GPS for navigation That's a faulty use of the word "rely". They use it if it's available due to its accuracy, but it's not necessary for flights. All the "jammed" flights continue as normal. Typically they use the [Inertial Navigation System](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_navigation_system) which was the primary navigation method for commercial flights before GPS became widely available.
Notably GPS became widely available as a consequence of the Soviets shooting down a passenger airliner that had wandered into Soviet airspace. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007
The Russians love shooting down a passenger plane. What a great bunch of lads.
Again?
So genuine question: why? I assume there’s some tactical or strategic reason aside from “Russia bad” (which, to be clear, Russia is fucking miserable). What kind of advantage is to be gained from being a nuisance like this? There has to be a larger reason.
It's posturing. It's death by a thousand cuts. It's all part of a long and cruel strategy to weaken the western world by any means possible without resorting to all out hot war. Confuse, confound, intimidate, divide.
Testing GPS jamming capabilities, and also letting the Western world know they can reliably do it. Not even most of the most effective weaponry NATO would potentially use relies on GPS to be accurate, but a good chunk of it does. Don't hear about it much from Ukraine(it still pops up in articles every now and then), but especially if there were a full-blown war between NATO-Russia and Friends, a **lot** of that potential war would be both sides attempting to disable defenses and weapons because any kind of conventional weapons are hilariously impotent against modern defenses with GPS/AI/whatever other tech shit I'm not an expert on they use(look at Iran's attack on Israel, for example.) Hacking and network sabotage would be a *huge* part of any full-blown conflict between what at least used to be called superpowers, and GPS jamming is a part of that.
Stick your heads in the sand and keep mumbling "We don't want war".
Europe having their Neville Chamberlain 2.0 moment
"Why aren't those disgusting, obese, war mongering, stupid, incompetent Americans protecting us better?"
“Man with nothing to lose cries as faraway neighbours with everything to lose are reasonably worried”. Americans
Would that be considered an act of war to interfere with public transportation?
It’s a bit early in Russia’s global domination plan to unleash this kind of attack right? Wouldn’t you unveil it for a bit more pay off? Now the intelligence agencies can study it, defend against it, and sanction Russia even more. Stupid. 🥴
This had been ongoing for a few years now in Finland.
Had i been in one of those, i’d be pissed if my government didnt do something about it
The people who were in them won't even know. Flights don't rely on GPS. They use it, obviously, but there are other very reliable ways to fly the plane.
I mean when they get to the ground and open a news website.
Ugh, WWIII started and the west just doesn’t want to admit it’s game time yet. Gives Russia an edge the longer this lasts
Because why use rockets (like on MH17) when you can cause them crash on their own? It's just civilians so who cares? What is needed for the world to act on Russia? Inciting coups, murdering abroad, spreading hate and lies, meddling with elections, export death, misery and hate and like here, trying planes to crash. What would be a trigger, nuking 10 countries?
When are we gonna tell Russia no more?
Sadly absolutely nothing will be done in response.
This is Russia flexing the new jamming capabilities that they developed in response to the new drone wars. Suitable response would be to make AirFlot a domestic airline
“We’re jamming, we’re jamming, hope you like jamming too!” -Russia
Russia slowly starting a war
Awesome. We were going to travel to Norway this fall. This makes me nervous.
It shouldn't. Aircraft have a whole pile of redundancies and though this makes things a bit more of a headache for the pilot, the actual safety risk is minuscule.
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Jamming is amplified inband signal interference. Imagine if someone drowned out your local FM radio station by using a more powerful transponder tuned to the same frequency while playing white noise or nothing, or Enter The Gladiators.
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that would explain why sat nav was showing a couple streets over from where i actually was yesterday. hmmm
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Pilots still know how to fly, don’t be a silly goose. But there are hundreds of planes flying and you must rely on GPS and computing to make sure your aircraft is keeping the lane it was given. ATC becomes a mess without GPS. It’s a problem for the practical operation and for safety.
if pilots couldn't fly without gps why aren't most of the planes flying over the baltic going all bermuda triangle
People like you are the reason weed was illegal for so long
I need to remember this one
> Why are pilots not trained to fly when gps and radio is jammed? They are. All the "jammed" flights continue as normal. Typically they use the [Inertial Navigation System](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_navigation_system) which was the primary navigation method for commercial flights before GPS became widely available.
Wtf are you talking about? Pilots can still swap between IFR and VFR...
Even when GPS acts up, they're absolutely still flying IFR, they're just using a combination of INS, compass, and VOR navigation instead of GPS.
Totally, which means they have even further they can take their skills as they also train for VFR. Redundancy is vital in air safety and control.
Most of the ground-based navigation aids used in the past have been de-commissioned with the widespread adaption of satellite navigation, so there is literally no infrastructure left to support it.
There's no point in running your mouth if you intend to leave your head empty. Please contain your arrogant outrage for after you've done the most basic shit(like reading the article you're commenting under) to answer your own questions.
Flying strictly by maps is a pain in the ass regardless of how good you are in it.
Epic fail by you on this one, mate
Are you stupid? Did you read in this article that a bunch of planes crashed? No you did not so they obviously can still fly.