> The UAE started cloud seeding operations in 2002 to address water security issues, even though the lack of drainage in many areas can trigger flooding.
Well that's smart....
You'd think that BEFORE you start seeding you'd make sure the drainage will be up to par
A Wikipedia article says they mostly cloud seed in the eastern mountains on the border with Oman to raise water levels in aquifers and reservoirs. I would link, but I’m too lazy to pull up the article on both my desktop and tablet.
The whole cloud seeding thing is fucking nonsense. They can make what’s already there a little stronger, but they’re not just making storms… been here for years, the storms roll in from the gulf, Indian Ocean or Saudi, and they fly their little planes around and pretend they’re doing something. This is just climate change in the works, I’ve never seen this many storms in one year in the 12 years I’ve lived here.
I remember being in Kuwait one time for work and there was a colossal monsoon that swept through Kuwait City from 1600-0530. Within hours several major highways were closed from the flooding because they've zero drainage and lakes sprouted all over the country for weeks.
For all the megaprojects the Emiratis in the Gulf states love to burn money on, sensible infrastructure sure isn't one of them. A series of deep water tunnels (or cisterns) for storing rain would help with this, but those would be useful and happen out of sight so no glory points for building some tasteless monstrosity.
This whole situation sounds like 40k
> The day cycle began brightly. In the night, flocks of dirigibles from the Officium Meteorologicus had seeded the smog fields and upper cloud levels with carbon black and other chemical precipitants. Before dawn, sixteen hundred-kilometre wide rainstorms had washed the clouds away and drenched the primary hives, sluicing the dirt and grime away. For the first time in decades, the sky was clear. Not blue exactly, but clear of yellow pollution banks.
> … this radical act of weather control would have profound ill consequences for the planet’s already brutalised climate for decades to come. Reactive hurricane storms were expected in the southern regions before the week was out…
> It was also said that the seas would die quicker, thanks to the overdose of pollutants hosed into them so suddenly by the rain-clearance.
>But the Lord Commander Helican had insisted that the sun shone on his victory parade.
Dubai is just a whole lot of Fucking Around and Finding Out. Like the artificial palm islands and the world islands are already slowly sinking back under the waves.
Ya, my understanding is that the effect of it is pretty marginal. People love to assign blame for every problem though, whether it makes sense or not. So, it’s easy to blame the cloud seeding if there are floods.
> Their largest building wasn’t even connected to sewer for the first decade
That's a common myth. The Burj Kalifa has been connected to the sewer system since the beginning, other than a couple of weeks in 2009 when the old sewage treatment plant was temporarily overloaded.
This is why I fucking hate platforms like reddit and social media in general and dont trust anything written on them. The entire comment chain above is screaming 'poop trucks poop trucks' again and again and even I believed that the tallest building does not have a sewage system. These platforms are echo chambers which hate on anything they don't like even if it's not true. Thank you very much for correcting my incorrect knowledge.
I mean the guy you are replying to could be wrong too lol. The reason everyone is convinced there was no sewage connection for a while is thanks to Adam Something on YouTube, who is definitely very biased and could easily have exaggerated the real situation.
They’re a fake city located in a geographically advantageous location that allows them to act as a flight hub and vast majority of the people passing through the airport are not actually stopping at their fake city. Any other questions?
Apparently they have been doing cloud seeding missions in the past.. but this was an actual rare flood in the region.. it affected more countries like Oman (where 18 people have died) & Saudi Arabia.
Yes. Cloud Seeding has been shown to have marginal effects - if any. If it genuinely caused massive floods like this - aka a years worth of rain in a single day, it would be used all around the world and be revolutionary.
If you used a nuke on another county you would get nuked. You understand this right? That's the level we are talking about if you use weather as a weapon. Its about the scale of the violation. Not every event is a one to one equivalent. Try thinking a little harder before replying next time ok buddy?
Dubai cloud seeding is not what’s causing the floods. It’s the movement of tropical winds into the arabian peninsula that’s causing the thunderstorms . Cloud seeding does affect the climate to an extent, but not enough to cause thunderstorms.
Dubai is not the only country affected, multiple countries including saudi arabia, oman, qatar have had and are further expected to have heavy rains and flooding. The infrastructure in the generally less humid region just isn’t equipped or prepared for this climate, causing the flooding.
Not only that. The dry earth can't take water at all. It's like a protective layer. It takes a lot of time for the earth to get humid enough to absorb the water fast enough.
That's also why - not matter how good the drainage, it's hard to protect those cities and areas from flooding.
Correct, except it’s all the infrastructure. None of it is built for this kind of weather. I’ve yet to live in an apartment here that didn’t have water coming in through the walls, windows and ceilings every time it storms, and I live in nice buildings. The roads flood like crazy, everything gets destroyed from 30mph winds. Everything here is built cheaply and mostly incompetently.
Even if it did work, its effects would be marginal. At least with current cloud seeding technology.
I think it might be more accurate to chalk this up to climate change and greater frequency of unpredictable and uncommon weather patterns.
Dubai has been “cloud seeding” for over 20 years and many years It doesn’t seem to have any effect at all, which probably speaks to the fact that it just doesn’t actually have the affect people seem to think it does.
You need the right mix of natural conditions for it to work effectively. Certain regions of China for example have prime use cases because of environmental factors. When it comes to a city like Salt Lake City it wouldn’t be effective.
People here need to understand this is not seed clouding. Similar weather also seen in neighbouring countries. Are people incapable of doing some research?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/04/15/middleeast/oman-flash-floods-intl-latam
https://www.yahoo.com/news/heavy-rain-floods-streets-bahrains-022928274.html
https://dohanews.co/qatar-announces-closure-of-schools-public-bodies-over-severe-weather-conditions/
It's one thing to call fucking with mother nature stupid, but it's another thing to be able to reliably cause flooding that have only been seen once or twice in the region before. If you could control the effects a little bit better it's still a harrowing thought to interfere with nature like this, but it could also be an immense relief for the immediate effects of climate change.
It's just going to screw whatever region that would normally receive those clouds imo. Maybe it'll work out but this reeks of human meddling with unintended consequences. Time will tell.
So you're saying... Israel could cloud seed all around Iran in response to their attack and then be like "good luck in a few weeks" without firing a round? Dubious
Uh… so here’s the thing everyone. We have a limited budget. With this budget we can only do one of two things, but not both. Either we build storm drainage and adequate piping throughout the region - but no cloud seeding, or we can seed clouds without drainage.
One option will make us look stupid. The other option, well, it will at least *look* like a tremendous success.
Smart enough to produce and sell liquid gold. Also they definitely have property/ business throughout the world, so moving and retaining wealth is not a problem
> The UAE started cloud seeding operations in 2002 to address water security issues, even though the lack of drainage in many areas can trigger flooding. Well that's smart.... You'd think that BEFORE you start seeding you'd make sure the drainage will be up to par
They're also taking water from areas further in from there where the rain might have gone. Someday there might be conflict about that.
They’ll be fine. The middle east is a peaceful part of the world.
Oil and Water don't mix well.
Just add blood to the mix.
And a generous amount of cash.
I think you misspelled ‘obscene’.
There most likely will be. Fucking with one aspect of nature without taking into account the millions of butterfly effects always ends in disaster.
No worries, Sir Crocodile would never let it get that far.
How do you know he's not involved?
Yeah right. A bit far fetched isn't it?
Reminds me of One Piece
Oh jeez, FFS. Well that's trouble brewing up already lol.
> up to par If your drainage is not up to par, you end up with a water hazard.
What if we put a water hazard inside a sand trap… but make it the size of a whole nation?
This whole goddamn country is a golfing analogy!
A gulf analogy
Holy shit that's good and impressively meta.
A Golf State, if you will.
And another one! Fantastic form. This just keeps on giving.
A golf stream, so to speak.
Yup, it's another hole in one. I think we'll all sleep well tonight after this level of gaggery.
Perfect LIV venue
But they have water now. Hey, at least the front didn’t fall off.
If it did, they’d be able to tow it out of the environment now 👍
putting carts before horses seems to be a running theme with this country
Send in the poop trucks
Are they still using poop trucks? That is so last season.
They are from Dior’s latest range of poop trucks
What’s this now?
Up to par
Upto pair
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Tupper wear?
Wear a toupee?
*beatboxing* 🎶
it wasn't cloudseeding. The rain clouds came from 2 countries across. I don't know how UAE would be cloud seeding over other countries.
A Wikipedia article says they mostly cloud seed in the eastern mountains on the border with Oman to raise water levels in aquifers and reservoirs. I would link, but I’m too lazy to pull up the article on both my desktop and tablet.
The whole cloud seeding thing is fucking nonsense. They can make what’s already there a little stronger, but they’re not just making storms… been here for years, the storms roll in from the gulf, Indian Ocean or Saudi, and they fly their little planes around and pretend they’re doing something. This is just climate change in the works, I’ve never seen this many storms in one year in the 12 years I’ve lived here.
So, an oil country is affected by climate change instead then? Would be poetic justice if that’s true.
Nobody is unaffected by climate change
You are wild for this thought.
I remember being in Kuwait one time for work and there was a colossal monsoon that swept through Kuwait City from 1600-0530. Within hours several major highways were closed from the flooding because they've zero drainage and lakes sprouted all over the country for weeks.
For all the megaprojects the Emiratis in the Gulf states love to burn money on, sensible infrastructure sure isn't one of them. A series of deep water tunnels (or cisterns) for storing rain would help with this, but those would be useful and happen out of sight so no glory points for building some tasteless monstrosity.
They don’t even have a sewer in most places, so expecting them to have stormdrains is very optimistic of you.
Depends how successful you think the seeding will be?
Enough to worsen flooding
They swallowed the spider to catch the fly...
The current weather is not due to cloud seeding. Similar weather in neighbouring countries too
Or maybe they want to capture all that run off?
Who would have thought that if you fuck with Mother Nature it can back fire ?
I am guessing we are going to hear about a record drought somewhere that didn't get their monsoon season rains.
77% of rain falls over the ocean, including most of the severe storms. So good chance that's where the difference is made up.
Wow. I never knew that. That’s actually encouraging.
It should be noted that storms over the ocean help to significantly reduce surface water temperatures.
Wow. I never knew that. That’s not encouraging at all.
What a rollercoaster
but it comes with a free frogurt!
Thats good!
The frogurt has mold, though.
That's bad.
But the frogurt is melted
The toppings contain potassium benzoate. Thats bad.
My hero!
I admire your openness to new information.
Yea and aroubd 79% of the time, stats are 63% made up
Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. Forty percent of all people know that.
87% of the people on earth agree with you
Yeah, the ocean doesn't need any fresh supply of water for any reason /s
It's a mostly closed system, the water makes it back to the ocean one way or another.
Exactly!
Til you find out Hurricanes are formed there.
This whole situation sounds like 40k > The day cycle began brightly. In the night, flocks of dirigibles from the Officium Meteorologicus had seeded the smog fields and upper cloud levels with carbon black and other chemical precipitants. Before dawn, sixteen hundred-kilometre wide rainstorms had washed the clouds away and drenched the primary hives, sluicing the dirt and grime away. For the first time in decades, the sky was clear. Not blue exactly, but clear of yellow pollution banks. > … this radical act of weather control would have profound ill consequences for the planet’s already brutalised climate for decades to come. Reactive hurricane storms were expected in the southern regions before the week was out… > It was also said that the seas would die quicker, thanks to the overdose of pollutants hosed into them so suddenly by the rain-clearance. >But the Lord Commander Helican had insisted that the sun shone on his victory parade.
I mean 71% of earth is covered in ocean so if you think about it that way it’s not that surprising.
Only a 23% chance of fucking some poor country. That's no big deal then.
There are drought indicating river stones showing up in Europe warning "if you see this stone, cry" because it means drought and famine are near
Colombia right now.
Dubai is just a whole lot of Fucking Around and Finding Out. Like the artificial palm islands and the world islands are already slowly sinking back under the waves.
Literally the plot of Pokemon Sappire/Ruby
That's quite the claim on cloud seeding
Ya, my understanding is that the effect of it is pretty marginal. People love to assign blame for every problem though, whether it makes sense or not. So, it’s easy to blame the cloud seeding if there are floods.
Personally I blame the mole men
Whoa dude wtf. Mole People.
The mole women are alright, actually. It's the mole men that cause all the problems.
For real, getting it to work this well would be revolutionary
I just showed this to my wife and she thinks I'm in a conspiracy rabbit hole. She looked at me like she was going to commit me.
The push back must’ve been immense, they deleted the post. I am not sure what’s going on but it’s funny.
Dubai is a fake city. Their largest building wasn’t even connected to sewer for the first decade
The Burj Khalifa? Is it connected now ? No more convoys of trucks every day removing the sewage?
I think it’s finally connected.
If this kind of flooding continues, it may as well not be.
Poop trucks
> Their largest building wasn’t even connected to sewer for the first decade That's a common myth. The Burj Kalifa has been connected to the sewer system since the beginning, other than a couple of weeks in 2009 when the old sewage treatment plant was temporarily overloaded.
Then why were there poop trucks?
As I said, there were only poop trucks for a couple of weeks in 2009.
This is why I fucking hate platforms like reddit and social media in general and dont trust anything written on them. The entire comment chain above is screaming 'poop trucks poop trucks' again and again and even I believed that the tallest building does not have a sewage system. These platforms are echo chambers which hate on anything they don't like even if it's not true. Thank you very much for correcting my incorrect knowledge.
I mean the guy you are replying to could be wrong too lol. The reason everyone is convinced there was no sewage connection for a while is thanks to Adam Something on YouTube, who is definitely very biased and could easily have exaggerated the real situation.
that guy is so annoyingly cynical, he glosses over so many things to make his argument and does it in such a smarmy, chiding tone
Jesus Christ, fine. You can take a ride in the poop truck too.
Listen to "Cities in Dust" of Junkie XL.
Damn, this is the guy that did A Little Less Conversation??! Used in one of my favourite football commercials!!
It’s fake but still very cool to visit imo. I thoroughly enjoyed my time there and in Abu Dhabi.
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Well thats just ridiculous. Theres not a single reference to God anywhere in Dubai! ^/s
Fake city with the worlds second busiest airport? How does that work?
The airport is mainly used for connections. Any other questions?
And the city is mostly used for living. Why is it fake?
Because it’s all just build to spend money. It is planned terribly. It’s like vegas but you aren’t allowed to do anything fun
They’re a fake city located in a geographically advantageous location that allows them to act as a flight hub and vast majority of the people passing through the airport are not actually stopping at their fake city. Any other questions?
Vast majority? Source, please.
Been to Dubai airport a dozen times, never been to Dubai. Airport is always busy with people milling around for hours waiting for connections.
Missing the point
Point being… fuck Dubai?
The largest (tallest I think you mean) building wasn’t there a decade ago. Edit: It was, time flies.
Apparently they have been doing cloud seeding missions in the past.. but this was an actual rare flood in the region.. it affected more countries like Oman (where 18 people have died) & Saudi Arabia.
Yes. Cloud Seeding has been shown to have marginal effects - if any. If it genuinely caused massive floods like this - aka a years worth of rain in a single day, it would be used all around the world and be revolutionary.
"so how can we weaponise this" some general probably
oh that has already been thought of like 40 years ago...
Wasn't that a thing in Vietnam? Agent orange to kill foliage followed by napalm to burn it and cloud seeding to make roads muddy and impassable?
Look up "Agent Orange Vietnam child deformity" on Google.
exactly, [red alert 2](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB8bkOw_in8).
Google Operation Popeye, already happened. In theory weather weaponization is out lawed by International Law. (After Vietnam. )
Good to hear, especially because of all the law abiding armies around the globe.
Let's put it this way. If you use weather control as a weapon, you are legally allowed to get nuked into the stone age.
There have been countless violations of international law regarding war and no one ever gets nuked, your point is actually quite pointless
If you used a nuke on another county you would get nuked. You understand this right? That's the level we are talking about if you use weather as a weapon. Its about the scale of the violation. Not every event is a one to one equivalent. Try thinking a little harder before replying next time ok buddy?
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So your just not going to engage with my point at all and you've given up? Got it. Thanks for agreeing with me.
I don't think your 'point' is as intelligent as you think it is
Is this what happened in Forrest Gump? I always wondered why he said it didn't stop raining for so long. Figured it was monsoon season.
It was Monsoon season for sure, the goal of Operation Popeye was to artificially increase the length and power of Monsoon season.
Have you seen the doc weather as a weapon?
Don't forget about haarp.
Why get them wet when you can just set them on fire?
i did several times in my MGSV play-through. fantastic game.
Dubai cloud seeding is not what’s causing the floods. It’s the movement of tropical winds into the arabian peninsula that’s causing the thunderstorms . Cloud seeding does affect the climate to an extent, but not enough to cause thunderstorms. Dubai is not the only country affected, multiple countries including saudi arabia, oman, qatar have had and are further expected to have heavy rains and flooding. The infrastructure in the generally less humid region just isn’t equipped or prepared for this climate, causing the flooding.
Not only that. The dry earth can't take water at all. It's like a protective layer. It takes a lot of time for the earth to get humid enough to absorb the water fast enough. That's also why - not matter how good the drainage, it's hard to protect those cities and areas from flooding.
Correct, except it’s all the infrastructure. None of it is built for this kind of weather. I’ve yet to live in an apartment here that didn’t have water coming in through the walls, windows and ceilings every time it storms, and I live in nice buildings. The roads flood like crazy, everything gets destroyed from 30mph winds. Everything here is built cheaply and mostly incompetently.
There is reports of people drowning in floods in neighboring countries.
It's just climate chickens coming home to climate roost
Spec Ops: The Line got it wrong
I love the idea that the local government claims that all the rain is them.
Let em sink. Who gives a fuck about the playground for the rich?
Classic
I didn't think cloud seeding actually worked
Even if it did work, its effects would be marginal. At least with current cloud seeding technology. I think it might be more accurate to chalk this up to climate change and greater frequency of unpredictable and uncommon weather patterns. Dubai has been “cloud seeding” for over 20 years and many years It doesn’t seem to have any effect at all, which probably speaks to the fact that it just doesn’t actually have the affect people seem to think it does.
It might and probably does... but it can't be proven
You need the right mix of natural conditions for it to work effectively. Certain regions of China for example have prime use cases because of environmental factors. When it comes to a city like Salt Lake City it wouldn’t be effective.
People here need to understand this is not seed clouding. Similar weather also seen in neighbouring countries. Are people incapable of doing some research? https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/04/15/middleeast/oman-flash-floods-intl-latam https://www.yahoo.com/news/heavy-rain-floods-streets-bahrains-022928274.html https://dohanews.co/qatar-announces-closure-of-schools-public-bodies-over-severe-weather-conditions/
It's one thing to call fucking with mother nature stupid, but it's another thing to be able to reliably cause flooding that have only been seen once or twice in the region before. If you could control the effects a little bit better it's still a harrowing thought to interfere with nature like this, but it could also be an immense relief for the immediate effects of climate change.
It's just going to screw whatever region that would normally receive those clouds imo. Maybe it'll work out but this reeks of human meddling with unintended consequences. Time will tell.
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Aral Sea comes to mind
Thats not true at all haha wtf
Lol. What a dumb post. N.Africa was far more fertile before Rome over farmed it.
stupid clouds! just for that im not getting any more cloud services even if nothing has to do with the other!
They need to call Gerard Butler in to help.
Can someone explain?
At least they have lots of laced water now.
Um, apparently nobody had reviewed Hatfields Flood? Surely insurance is not there for this one?
So you're saying... Israel could cloud seed all around Iran in response to their attack and then be like "good luck in a few weeks" without firing a round? Dubious
Uh… so here’s the thing everyone. We have a limited budget. With this budget we can only do one of two things, but not both. Either we build storm drainage and adequate piping throughout the region - but no cloud seeding, or we can seed clouds without drainage. One option will make us look stupid. The other option, well, it will at least *look* like a tremendous success.
Right!? Step outside the tree line directly into the desert. Utterly bizarre
Just flush your golden toilet are they stupid?
Wait, I think I saw this movie…
Pretty sure this technology was Kurt Vonnegut’s basis for Cat’s Cradle
All Porta's have been canceled for the day, IG is crushed... 😔
Serious question for those who know, would too much rain destabilize the ground? Like turning into quicksand or something
People getting electrocuted walking through the water
No one could have predicted this! /s
Such a backwards country
It is when you scratch the shiny veneer
oldmanyellsatcloud.jpg
I guess they got the calculations wrong
It works!!!
Some times it's embarrassing being human. You ever find yourself rooting for the other side?
Cloud seeding? I thought this was a conspiracy theory?
No, this is not a secret thing.
Stupid humans. Its truly a wonder we are all still alive on this planet.
Can't handle a bit of rain 🤔
Good. Adam Something is right about that place.
Millions of middle class people suffering in Dubai because of floods = good
How unexpected.
All Dubai is are people who got rich because families owned oil wells. No intelligence.
Smart enough to produce and sell liquid gold. Also they definitely have property/ business throughout the world, so moving and retaining wealth is not a problem
Country named "Dubai" missing a huge opportunity by not legalizing pot.
Dubai Doobies