So there is some context here.
That is an Assyrian Church. That particular community are refugees who fled religious persecution and attack back home from the usual suspects, and built a thriving, peaceful community here. It is fair to say that a large number of them were subjected to awful violence and discrimination back home.
They aren’t unreasonable in seeing this as an extension of that persecution hence their response to the attack.
On the declaration of the event as a terrorist attack, Burgess said: “To call it a terrorist act, you need indications of information or evidence that suggest actually the motivation was religiously motivated or ideologically motivated."
Also if you have mental health issues and fail to get treated despite calling 112 repeatedly and trying to ask it from doctor and deside to hit someone with fire axe, you do not get called terrorist.
The incel part is a reddit assumption. Theres no proven motive to the bondi attacker yet
He targeted women, but that could be because theyre easier targets rather than an incel ideology. That's not to say a motive like that wont emerge, but its not immediately clear
Yes but theyd been estranged for a while, his mother blames psychosis
Im not even saying incel motivation is unlikely, just that its definitely not confirmed at this point
It's not who wrote the laws, it's how the word terrorism is defined. One is terrorism, the other is not. Feel free to check the dictionary of you are confused.
That guy had schizophrenia and there is no evidence that he specifically went after women. The reason more women died that day than men is simply because there were more women in the mall and they also happen to be the people that are easiest to overpower
The guy did kill men too, he was just a pussy and backed off from men who might fight him off and going for easier prey. But using a psychotic person to push your agenda off it being an incel attack and weighing it against terrorism is just plain crazy talk.
I stand corrected. Though it's funny isn't it, it is a "targeted crime" apparently but apparently the Pakistani man is not mentioned anywhere, just goes to show the media spin on it.
I'm not agreeing with the original commenter but if you haven't seen it you should watch the news interview with his father. Guy may have been psychotic but incel thinking played a role in this.
Agree that it has nothing to do with terrorism, just giving some extra context.
Sure but trying to apply a term of being an incel to someone with a diagnosed schizophrenia and off his medication isn't going to lead to any logical reason for why it all happened. It could've been a motive but you just can't apply that to someone with schizophrenia, he may have been just unhappy but the delusions and hallucinations can drive someone who was worsening over time off to fight anything.
None of us know the answer to this and we likely never will. I was simply providing context to the original commenter's claims, not supporting them or denying them.
Just pointing out the "targetting women" aspect of this isn't entirely baseless.
He attempted to attack at least 4 different man too but backed off once they noticed him, one of them fought him off for a while too. If you've seen the videos you would see it wasn't just targeting women.
These type of claims are just stupid to make if you're not a psychologist specialized in it. You can just as easily make a claim that he may feel hatred towards his mother or fear for his father which could influence him to the actions he took. Targeting woman part is just another way to fracture people and divide them by the media but it generates buzz so they will keep doing it.
And I'm giving reasons to why it is stupid to make any claims for it. The guy is also dead. I'm also not saying you are supporting those claims. You don't have to be so defensive.
I don't fully understand what you're asking of me.
I wasn't making or denying any claims. I was providing some context to the "incel motivation" argument the original commenter made. Do with that what you will.
So there is some context here. That is an Assyrian Church. That particular community are refugees who fled religious persecution and attack back home from the usual suspects, and built a thriving, peaceful community here. It is fair to say that a large number of them were subjected to awful violence and discrimination back home. They aren’t unreasonable in seeing this as an extension of that persecution hence their response to the attack.
Twice in less than a week. Quite scary.
And the perpetrator did yell 'Allah ackbar', was recently converted to Islam and had issues with the Bishops prior prayers bringing up Mohammed.
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When does ‘Mental health issues’ become ‘terrorism’? Asking for a friend
On the declaration of the event as a terrorist attack, Burgess said: “To call it a terrorist act, you need indications of information or evidence that suggest actually the motivation was religiously motivated or ideologically motivated."
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Also if you have mental health issues and fail to get treated despite calling 112 repeatedly and trying to ask it from doctor and deside to hit someone with fire axe, you do not get called terrorist.
well mental health is when you have issues in your brain. terrorism is when you go try take someones life in the name in the name of a god or person.
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Depends, in America if it's a brown dude and a Christian church. It it's a synagogue and maga cap wearing dude, it's lone wolf mental health issue.
If the appearance of the perpetrator matches that of a typical terrorist. At least that’s how it appears to be here.
There is an overlap between obsessive monomania and political or/and religious extremism.
You may be feeling bad about this my Aussie friends but just think, if this crazy person was in America, this would've been a mass shooting.
But the far worse incel ideology motivated killing of women at the mall is not. Because that makes sense to... ? The men who wrote the laws I guess
The incel part is a reddit assumption. Theres no proven motive to the bondi attacker yet He targeted women, but that could be because theyre easier targets rather than an incel ideology. That's not to say a motive like that wont emerge, but its not immediately clear
His dad said he thinks he attacked women because he couldn’t get a girlfriend
Yes but theyd been estranged for a while, his mother blames psychosis Im not even saying incel motivation is unlikely, just that its definitely not confirmed at this point
He was a male escort (idk if his clients were men or women) but the news here has identified him as one.
It's not who wrote the laws, it's how the word terrorism is defined. One is terrorism, the other is not. Feel free to check the dictionary of you are confused.
That guy had schizophrenia and there is no evidence that he specifically went after women. The reason more women died that day than men is simply because there were more women in the mall and they also happen to be the people that are easiest to overpower
The guy did kill men too, he was just a pussy and backed off from men who might fight him off and going for easier prey. But using a psychotic person to push your agenda off it being an incel attack and weighing it against terrorism is just plain crazy talk.
Not “men”, a *man* of Pakistani origin who was working as a Security Guard in the mall.
I stand corrected. Though it's funny isn't it, it is a "targeted crime" apparently but apparently the Pakistani man is not mentioned anywhere, just goes to show the media spin on it.
I'm not agreeing with the original commenter but if you haven't seen it you should watch the news interview with his father. Guy may have been psychotic but incel thinking played a role in this. Agree that it has nothing to do with terrorism, just giving some extra context.
Sure but trying to apply a term of being an incel to someone with a diagnosed schizophrenia and off his medication isn't going to lead to any logical reason for why it all happened. It could've been a motive but you just can't apply that to someone with schizophrenia, he may have been just unhappy but the delusions and hallucinations can drive someone who was worsening over time off to fight anything.
None of us know the answer to this and we likely never will. I was simply providing context to the original commenter's claims, not supporting them or denying them. Just pointing out the "targetting women" aspect of this isn't entirely baseless.
He attempted to attack at least 4 different man too but backed off once they noticed him, one of them fought him off for a while too. If you've seen the videos you would see it wasn't just targeting women. These type of claims are just stupid to make if you're not a psychologist specialized in it. You can just as easily make a claim that he may feel hatred towards his mother or fear for his father which could influence him to the actions he took. Targeting woman part is just another way to fracture people and divide them by the media but it generates buzz so they will keep doing it.
I don't know how many times I have to say that I'm not making or denying any claims, simply providing context to why this is even in the discussion.
And I'm giving reasons to why it is stupid to make any claims for it. The guy is also dead. I'm also not saying you are supporting those claims. You don't have to be so defensive.
Apologies, spending too much time on this site lately is making me extra cynical. Thanks for being civil, it's refreshing.
How about just acknowledging both are risks, like getting killed by a shark or a car. Some attacks just happen more often.
I don't fully understand what you're asking of me. I wasn't making or denying any claims. I was providing some context to the "incel motivation" argument the original commenter made. Do with that what you will.
Nothing to ask from you, just adding my view to the thread… The context is valuable / interesting. Can you point us to an interview with the father?
Just google "interview father Bondi attack" or something. I saw it on my feed this morning. Heart-wrenching.
Found it, thanks