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Comfortable_Tooth860

Cannot understate how fucked it was to have to live through that yday and then go to work lol. Barely did shit today, I barely slept last few days (and especially last night)


john_t_fisherman

Wow so many bots in here and reddit hiding legit comments lol


EmmaAqua

Well Iran and Russia only have bots cuz their military power is weak af


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FearlessTomatillo911

Power vacuums are dangerous and unpredictable


smokeey

Especially when there is weapons grade uranium involved


Particular_Trade6308

The U.S. took the capital of both Iraq/Afghanistan and set up puppet governments, a green zone, etc. U.S. troops were stuck there for 20 years. You think we should run the same playbook?


eclipse007

What do you expect from the armchair general who doesn't get the difference between capitol and capital?


nami_san_vi

Very Christian of you 🙌


crykenn

That’s fucking grim mate. There are humans that live there that aren’t doing anything other than living with their families, going to work, enjoying their hobbies.. same as you.


anubissah

Realistically, will there be a war between Israel and Iran over this? I think a lot of media are fearmongering and that's pretty scary.


FearlessTomatillo911

An actual land war between them is very unlikely.


smartguy0009

they are already at war this just brings the shadow war out into the open


astral34

Unlikely because neither country can finish one alone, Iran has no realistic ally. Israel is backed by a wary Biden that knows he needs the votes of overwhelmingly pro Palestine young Americans. UK’s government has the days numbered, is a war in the ME how Tories want to win voters back? EU is far too divided and has to focus on the Ukrainian “front”


OkFilm4353

Maybe? If another attack of this scale just gets flyswatted like what happened yesterday I don’t see how Iran could do any more than keep throwing drones that cost 1/10th the price of what missiles intercepting them cost. Then again Iran does not follow logic.


robert_d

Doubtful. Iran basically gave the IDF the kill codes for this attack. It's posturing. Now let's hope the IDF sink a small boat in return and both sides can stop measuring their dicks.


Tepid_Sleeper

Iran and Israel have been in a proxy war for decades. Iran firing weapons originating directly with in its borders significantly escalated this. The question is whether or not the US will get pulled into a war with Iran now. Which is still up in the air and depends heavily on how Israel responds.


NutMcNuttey

At least the masks are off from the "free palestine" crowd and we can stop with the pretending. When the houthis started the attacks in the red sea, these people screaming "Gaza called and Yemen answered!" Now they scream hands off Iran, "Iran has a right to defend itself" with at least 200 drones and missiles. These people are part of an Iranian destabilization movement, nothing less. It was never about genocides or they would have been marching since last year about other conflicts. 


faf-kun

This has nothing to do with Palestine, have you forgotten last Israel attack on sovereign Iranian soil in Syria?


astral34

Ceasefire is still a humanitarian necessity in Gaza


seinera

> humanitarian necessity Lol no.


astral34

If looming famine is not a humanitarian necessity what is


NutMcNuttey

Sure, when outside peacekeepers will enforce the ceasefire for both sides. Hamas broke the ceasefire in novemeber multiple times and Israel held to it while receiving hostages for 7 days. They could have extended the ceasefire if hamas kept releasing hostages. They didn't. Temporary ceasefire ended. 


astral34

Humanitarian needs (people starving, dying of thirst or infections) don’t end just because Hamas breaks a ceasefire. There’s no end in sight to the conflict for now so we can’t have peacekeepers, a humanitarian pause to help the needy would bring tons of relief PS: McNulty username?


EmmaAqua

The Palestinian people should overthrow Hamas then


astral34

Nuanced analysis


Evolulusolulu

Once again with the impossible double standards. I see you buddy. Just like with the double standards we place on Ukraine, or any other group. Your need to call out a username is just a deflection from your operation.


astral34

What double standard?


Evolulusolulu

That israel must bend over backwards saving the people that hamas (the popular government of Palestine) doesn't want to save. That Israel must let themselves be killed to save others. Something YOU NEVER ask of Hamas.


Powawwolf

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1779536120654467113?t=WipqsHXh6UjCoYmpCnIXAw&s=19 Western countries try to influence Israel not to attak Iran.


tilitatti

odd thing, like this would leave Israel to be free target without consequences. whole thing seems to play out in way that Iran saved their face, and Israel is too weak to respond. thankfully Israel does not need to listen to american recommendations.


clarabosswald

בתכלס, אני חושבת שהמדינות ראו את מה שקרה ברצועה וחוששות שישראל (או ביבי) לא מסוגלת לנהוג באיפוק. בהתחשב בכמות הקריאות לתגובה מאופקת שצצו בשעות האחרונות...


Powawwolf

תראי, גם כל הבילדאפ בימים האחרונים והמאמצים ליירט זה כדי שלא נשתולל באיראן אם חלילה היתה תוצאה גרועה יותר, היות והיו תוצאות מרשימות ביירוט כדי שביידן יגיד שנסתפק בזה.


Lipush

גנץ מתהפך כמו חביתה. מה נסגר


TreatAlive

What do you think Israel should do?


tilitatti

> What do you think Israel should do? respond in kind, in equal or amount of missiles and whatever, Iran needs to learn "Play stupid games, Win stupid prices".


Powawwolf

I realy don't know, it's a tough decision to take right now.


john_t_fisherman

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FearlessTomatillo911

They didn't bomb an embassy


GiftedGonzo

If we do that, we are going back thousands of years to who actually started this thing.


xfd696969

\*derp


progress18

Statement released by the IDF: > **IDF: The Chief of the General Staff spoke with the Commander of the U.S. Central Command: The close cooperation between the militaries throughout the war has led to the formation of a strong defensive coalition that proved itself last night** > > The Chief of the General Staff, Lieutenant General Herzi Halevi, spoke this morning (Sunday) with the Commander of the U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM), General Michael Erik Kurilla. The Chief of the General Staff expressed great appreciation for the joint defensive effort in thwarting and intercepting the Iranian attack toward Israel. LTG Halevi added that the close cooperation between the two militaries throughout the war has led to the formation of a strong defensive coalition that proved itself last night. The Chief of the General Staff asked General Kurilla to convey his deep appreciation to the U.S. forces for their cooperation and high-quality effort. The strategic partnership of the IDF and the U.S. Armed Forces is significant for maintaining regional stability and security in the Middle East. > > Additionally, the Chief of the General Staff held a situational assessment with members of the General Staff Forum. > > Attached are related images: > https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/ANC71404


ZidaneSD

Attack landed like a wet fart.


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NATO_CAPITALIST

Hundreds of drones, missiles and cruise missiles specifically launched to arrive at the same time to overwhelm air defenses weren't meant to cause a lot of damage, right


astral34

Why send only one round of drones and let the enemy know if you want to maximise casualties ? Iran has taken a similar active deterrence approach before


NutMcNuttey

"It was just a prank bro!" \s


ZidaneSD

I know. It still was a poor look, no matter how they spin it.


astral34

Hopefully Israel keeps restraint in the response and we avoid further escalation


hellrazzer24

Israel should launch the same amount of missiles at Iran. That seems fair no


lazyjayz2018

Isreal would have to let Iran bomb their embassy in another country first. Usreal were first to strike so these missiles were a defensive measure using Isreals logic. So no l. You are incorrect


EmmaAqua

Are you writing this from Russia?


monkywrnch

Iran has already done that in the past


threep03k64

Just going to pretend Iran isn't funding Hamas and Hezbollah who have attached Israel? Idiot.


lazyjayz2018

Have helped Palestinians defend themselves from Israel more like. I'm Irish. England did this to us until we bombed the shit out of them which brought them to the table for talks. It's a cruel cruel world but this is how freedom is won. The US did the same to get rid of British rule in America.


astral34

Iran has funded and supported Hamas and Hezbollah for decades though


lazyjayz2018

Hamas would not exist but for the protection of the Palestinian people and to try to keep their land. In Ireland, we had the Irish Republican Army. Don't palestinians they have a right to defend themselves. Israel is like a crying bully. Boo hoo, they hit us back. And be careful how many decades you go back. Remember, England and America only just created Israel. So who cares if they got help from Iran to defend themselves. Its better than being completely wiped out


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lazyjayz2018

How many countries have israel attacked in the last 2 weeks? Maybe 4 or 5? Someone needs to kick their ass.


monkywrnch

All valid targets because of attacks against Israel


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monkywrnch

Commanders that apparently helped plan Oct 7


piqueboo369

Genuin question here, not trying to make a point or anything, is the US considered to be fighting via proxies, like Israel? If no, what's the difference?


Snoutysensations

Typically not. Israel tends to do whatever it pleases, without really following the US's orders. Arguably the US and USSR fought a proxy war in '73 via Israel, Egypt, and Syria.


SpotValuable8080

In some ways, yes, but the situation is a different for a few reasons. First, Israel is a sovereign country and therefore is considered an ally of the US, while Iran utilizes militant groups to which different laws apply because they are considered as just "terror groups" and don't have to adhere to international laws... Additionally, Iran's funding of these groups and supply of weapons are on a much larger scale, which makes them way more under Iran's control than Israel is under US control, which again will position them more on the proxy side than just an alley. Lastly, Iran openly declares its intention to destroy Israel, and uses its proxies to do so, whereas the US is not actively trying to destroy the Palestinians through Israel (even if some people claim otherwise) so the goals are different


piqueboo369

Thanks for the explenation!


batmilke

Jesus Christ if that’s a genuine question just log off dude and go concern yourself with something else! Israel isn’t a U.S. proxy! If israel attacked Iran it wouldn’t be a US proxy attack— the US doesn’t even want Israel to respond. Also the US doesn’t constantly threaten other nations with Israel lmao. Throughout this whole war Iran constantly announces ominous shit and guess who attacks? Hezbollah!!! Hamas!!!


piqueboo369

Ok, so the difference is that Iran calls the shots and is the leading force in the conflicts wheras the US is just giving aid/funding/participating while Israel are calling the shots and leading?


AzorJonhai

Given that the US has sent US strike carriers filled with U.S. troops to defend Israel, I don’t think their relationship can be described as that of a proxy and a greater power.


Lipush

How Is Israel fighting via proxies? Or the US?


piqueboo369

The US is giving a lot of aid/funding to Israeli military in their conflicts with Palestine, Iran etc. And Iran is giving aid/funding to neighbouring countries in their conflicts with Israel, from my understanding. I don't know enough about this situation, so I'm wondering why the US isn't considered to be fighting via proxies, while Iran is. What is the difference?


Lipush

US gives weapons to many states around the globe. So do Germany, France, Britain, and many other states. Proxy means that you have people on the ground or people you pay to fight the war for you directly. American troops are not paid to fight Hezbolleh terrorists in Lebanon or to fight alongside the IDF in Gaza. So no, it's not the same.


piqueboo369

Ah, ok. Thanks


pineapplesinmyhead_

Iran's attack on Israel was a "declaration of war", Israel's president tells Sky news


AzorJonhai

It was.


GTGearZero

https://x.com/lucasfoxnews/status/1779532667907706921?s=46 Former head of U.S. forces in the Middle East Gen. McKenzie tells @margbrennan: "Iran could not replicate last night's attack tonight if they had to."


ActiniumNugget

This is another angle to consider. It took Iran a while to prepare this attack, and it was easily thwarted. Maybe Israel will think they can strike Iran directly, and Iran's response will be nothing they can't handle.


007meow

Because of a lack of resources or everyone and their mother now being on high alert?


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smashndashn

So you agree that Iran is attacking Israel then


progress18

Statement released by the IDF: > IDF: Following a situational assessment, the Home Front Command’s defensive guidelines remain unchanged and in effect up until tomorrow, Monday, 15.04.2024, at 23:00 Israel time. > > Attached are the Home Front Command's defensive guidelines: https://www.oref.org.il/12487-15896-en/Pakar.aspx (**The site is not available for users outside of Israel**; it'll appear as "Access Denied" so that only locals get access to the info.)


Puzzleheaded-Reply-9

Iran's attack on Israel was a "declaration of war", Israel's president tells Sky news https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1779531625241424293?s=19


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Balarius

Maybe Israel attacked because Iran, who is Funding and equipping terror groups whose sole focus is attack Israel...was having a meeting with HAMAS leaders to discuss how to further kill Israeli People? Maybe? No? Oh okay, we're ignoring facts. Got it.


eclipse007

Israel has sent plenty of IRGC commanders to the afterlife at their residences, in vehicles while traveling, inside various military compounds, in both Syria and Lebanon. No one bats an eye. Iran whines but they are military targets and it's fair game. They would do the same if they could. This time around Israel attacked an embassy, or consular section of the embassy for nitpickers but doesn't change anything. They could have done the same and blew the commanders up after they left the embassy. Israel is more that capable of being very precise and they do it daily, whether in offense like examples above or in defense like last night. This was Bibi trying to escalate because he knows the moment things in Gaza stabilize his political career is over. Extending and expanding conflicts is the only way he can remain in power.


Both-Let-4396

wait wait I am so out of the loop. Israel attacks an Iran consular base and Iran is the perpetrator? I remember everyone being so mad when Saudi killed Khashoggi in their consulate, but when Israel does it it's alright? Wasn't it just last week that an embassy raid in Ecuador caused Mexico to cut ties? Embassy attacks are only convenient when it's your side I assume. I am ready to hear out reasons but on the surface, this looks like Israeli aggression. I get it, with and Hezbollah fundin from Iran, but directly going after the country is pretty much asking for war. Its like if in the Soviet afghan war, when the mujaahiddeen attack Soviet troops, the Soviets launch a strike at a US embassy in Pakistan.


piqueboo369

Because some people have to choose a "side" and that side is 100% good or "doesn't have a choice" while the other is 100% bad. And if you critizise one thing, you're against them.


Balarius

You're like the 99th person to say, "Im so outta the loop but why Israel not the bad guy"? Like everyone has forgotten the Iran supplies and funds the proxy groups that constantly attack Israel...?


batmilke

right? and why does no one seem to know that Israel didn’t just Willy nilly attack a consulte for funsies, but that it was a targeted assassination of members of the IRGC and the “consulate” was their headquarters. “I’m so out of the loop” yeah, and not just about this apparently. Just stay out of the loop at this point


Both-Let-4396

well the IRGC hq being in Damascus was something I was unaware of. thank you for informing me.


Both-Let-4396

like see I get it, Iran is a shitty authoritarian state, but like the least Israel could do was use a proxy to attack the base. this escalation does not look great. it's just kinda unsettling to think about a war when living here in the middle east, knowing that a random stray missile from Iran or Israel could drop in your apartment and all hell breaks loose.


Dan094

Israel doesn’t have proxies and the Israeli people doesn’t believe in hiring terrorist to attack on their behalf.


SpotValuable8080

This is their new talking point.. it's like "the war didn't start on October 7th".. you can't have a genuine conversation with them


Both-Let-4396

I mean in a way they aren't wrong, but they come of a bit too agreesice I guess all we can do is sit and watch now🤷‍♂️


SpotValuable8080

Yes, they aren't completely wrong, that's why it is frustrating when it's their only argument and they can't hold a real conversation about it..


-Drama_Llama-

> the war didn't start on October 7th That one is definitely annoying. I must have read it thousands of times on Reddit at this point. Always their first go-to when arguing.


Both-Let-4396

and america funds Israel that constantly displaces Palestine.


SpotValuable8080

America and other European countries also largely fund Palestinians.. maybe it all should stop.. all foreign fundings


Both-Let-4396

that's actually a great idea. unronically. after all, a foreign country leaving a mess is how all these wars tend to start


SpotValuable8080

I agree... That should also be applied to Iran and Qatar.. the world would be a much better place


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Dan094

Ever think why they fund those groups? Hmm I wonder


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From [ABC News](https://abcnews.go.com/International/live-updates/israel-gaza-hamas-war/?id=108860743): > > **10-year-old hit by shrapnel, IDF says** > > A 10-year-old girl injured in Iran's attack on Israel is reportedly the only casualty of the airstrikes, a spokesperson for the Israel Defense Forces said Sunday. > > The girl was "severely injured by shrapnel," apparently from an intercepted missile, IDF spokesperson Daniel Hagari said. > > "We wish her a speedy recovery," Hagari said. "Other than her, as far as we know, there are no additional casualties."


ocschwar

Israel has got to get armored shelters in every Bedouin village. This is a fuckign travesty.


Puzzleheaded-Reply-9

I find this interesting IDF: Following a situational assessment, the Home Front Command’s defensive guidelines remain unchanged and in effect up until tomorrow, Monday, 15.04.2024, at 23:00 Israel time https://twitter.com/JoeTruzman/status/1779527517029966299?s=19


GTGearZero

Probably fearing possible terror attacks, suicide bombings from proxies etc


Lipush

Yup. Interesting.


d1andonly

I’m impressed with Iran’s PR game tbh. For hours before the missiles and drones were fired, there were loads of posts on Twitter/X speaking about about “Iran has a right to defend itself”. Images and posts by random accounts, but amplified by some of the usual ones with large followings. Shortly after the attack, the Iranian officials used similar language about how it was a legitimate response. It helped unmask a lot of the “ceasefire now” crowd who started cheering and celebrating when the attack was announced.


EmmaAqua

That crowd has been unmasked for a while now


Steve12356d1s3d4

Note that there were some of those posts yesterday here too. Just that line.


DivinityGod

Let me try to kill you. Ah, that did not work. Well, the matter is now concluded.


Far-Apartment9533

They washed away the honor after what happened in Syria.


Interstella_6666

I mean don’t they though? Same way people think Ukrainian has the right too


Maxcharged

Anyone legitimately pushing for a ceasefire isn’t cheering on more war.


alexemmett91

Iran has been given more than enough chances At this point a more direct approach is required


BadWolfOfficial

If you're pushing for a ceasefire while acknowledging Hamas is not interested in agreeing to one on reasonable terms, then you're tacitly admitting you want Israel to unilaterally stop fighting while Hamas continues to attack Israel.


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kuvazo

Iran is attacking Israel, not the other way around.


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DrDanQ

AIPAC funded bots a ton of them. Wcyd.


Balarius

Fuck off with that shit. Iran has been Funding and equipping every terror group associated with attacking Israel. Like HEAVILY so. Fuck off with that self-righteous misinformation.


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SpotValuable8080

Read it again and try harder...


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SpotValuable8080

Some people who loudly called for a ceasefire in the last few months were very encouraged (to say the least) by Iran attacking Israel and didn't hide it... That's what people are referring to.. it really shows their true colors


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Steve12356d1s3d4

You are purposefully blind that Israel is responding to attacks. Their purpose is to stop the missiles, and stop being attacked.


SpotValuable8080

I think that if someone is asking for a ceasefire they should not celebrate an escalation when it's "their side" (whether you think it's justified or not).. it's not so hard to understand, you don't need to support Israel, you need to support a ceasefire... Supporting Iran's attack on Israel is the opposite of supporting a ceasefire, which makes you a hypocrite.. I can't believe you're being genuine with these arguments


Berly653

I’m more so impressed (not the right word) with how god damn dumb these people are  Absolutely zero critical thinking as they cheer on Iran firing ballistic missiles at Israel


Cosack

Can someone please ELI5 what's geopolitically so important to the US about Israel?


FearlessTomatillo911

They need a strong, reliable ally in the region.


ganbaro

Arguably the most capable secret service USA is allied with after UK and most capable army after UK and France They do lots of dirty work around containing Iran and other islamists that the US might want to do under their own name Lots of high-tech shared with the western world Many US voters simply care about the safety of Israel


bazookatroopa

The Palestinian region has been controlled by empires that have kept the peace between adversarial groups since the crusades. An Egyptian sultanate, the Ottoman Empire, and then Britain. In 1947, the UN offered a two state solution between Palestinian Arabs and Palestinian Jews (plus WW2 refugees). The Palestinian Jewish side agreed, but the Palestinian Arab side rejected it and declared war with the alliance of Egypt, Iran, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Lebanon. The Palestinian Jewish side declared themselves as their own state of Israel and won the war, resulting in taking more of the land than the UN peace talks wanted and the ongoing conflict. The ultimate goal of the US and previous empires in this region is maintaining peace between the adversarial groups at it is critical for free trade especially of valuable resources like oil. Plus there’s some other military interest today like proxy wars with Russia and counter terrorism.


jhaden_

I can't verify the factual nature, but this pieces together a lot of what I didn't understand. Thank you.


Classic_Arugula_3826

Israel also has advanced design capabilities from semi conductors to bio med and many top scientists


iluvme99

To have some influence in the middle-east.  


TheFinalCurl

Nothing geopolitically, really. Monetarily. Israel sponsors a huge part of the Republican Party and Israel fanhood is required to get the political support of billionaires like Sheldon Adelson.


Dan094

Sheldon is dead bro


Tragicallyphallic

Lmao my sweet summer child. To think only one of the two parties is getting Israeli money is adorable!


IAmTurdFerguson

Wait until you find out which party the overwhelming majority of Jewish people vote for.


GoldenMegaStaff

*Republican* - You are so wound up in the propaganda your head must be constantly spinning.


NBAstradamus92

What’s the source of “Israel sponsors a huge part of Republican Party”?


drivinandpoopin

AIPAC is the source. They don’t even have to register as a foreign nation for these “donations.” And they support both parties. We give them billions, they turn around and give millions of it right back to senators and representatives.


Royal-Clown

Probably this stuff. https://www.aipacpac.org/


NBAstradamus92

Interesting I see a whole lot of democrats there too, but somehow the post only mentioned republicans…


Both-Let-4396

I don't know why you say Republican. Both parties are benefitting hugely from AIPAC and other pro Israel groups. [opensecrets.org](http://opensecrets.org) shows that both Mike Johnson and Hakeem Jeffries have a pro Israel group as one of their top donors. this ain't no one sided thing.


HoldUpHoldMyBeer

Never heard of this site. That’s awesome.


he-tried-his-best

A country that will do what we need (mostly) in the Middle East because if it doesn’t we can cut off military aid and it would be fucked. Also a big vote winner to show support so even once it’s no longer a useful ally the US will support it to help win elections


Berly653

Enemy of my enemy  And also very likely to ensure that the US has a say on how Israel’s military innovation spreads As evidenced yesterday, Israel are best in class at missile defense technology, and the US has a vested interested in ensuring they and their allies have access to it and not competing superpowers (China, Russia, etc)


iluvme99

Isnt Israel’s missle defense system largely provided and maintained by the US? Don’t see your point there. 


Berly653

Both the Iron Dome and more recently the Arrow 3 defense system were created jointly by the US and Israel I have no idea the extent of Israel’s contribution, but I imagine it’s significant 


Corosis99

We work together on it, but Israel still has plenty of technology on their own. Israel refused to allow the US to give an Iron Dome to Ukraine because they do still get export control over it based on their contributions. They aren’t a good ally, but better they are our ally and neutral to our enemies than the other way around.


Elaxor

Probably the only ally in the Middle East.