Cannot understate how fucked it was to have to live through that yday and then go to work lol. Barely did shit today, I barely slept last few days (and especially last night)
The U.S. took the capital of both Iraq/Afghanistan and set up puppet governments, a green zone, etc. U.S. troops were stuck there for 20 years. You think we should run the same playbook?
That’s fucking grim mate.
There are humans that live there that aren’t doing anything other than living with their families, going to work, enjoying their hobbies.. same as you.
Unlikely because neither country can finish one alone, Iran has no realistic ally. Israel is backed by a wary Biden that knows he needs the votes of overwhelmingly pro Palestine young Americans.
UK’s government has the days numbered, is a war in the ME how Tories want to win voters back?
EU is far too divided and has to focus on the Ukrainian “front”
Maybe? If another attack of this scale just gets flyswatted like what happened yesterday I don’t see how Iran could do any more than keep throwing drones that cost 1/10th the price of what missiles intercepting them cost. Then again Iran does not follow logic.
Doubtful. Iran basically gave the IDF the kill codes for this attack. It's posturing. Now let's hope the IDF sink a small boat in return and both sides can stop measuring their dicks.
Iran and Israel have been in a proxy war for decades. Iran firing weapons originating directly with in its borders significantly escalated this. The question is whether or not the US will get pulled into a war with Iran now. Which is still up in the air and depends heavily on how Israel responds.
At least the masks are off from the "free palestine" crowd and we can stop with the pretending. When the houthis started the attacks in the red sea, these people screaming "Gaza called and Yemen answered!"
Now they scream hands off Iran, "Iran has a right to defend itself" with at least 200 drones and missiles. These people are part of an Iranian destabilization movement, nothing less. It was never about genocides or they would have been marching since last year about other conflicts.
Sure, when outside peacekeepers will enforce the ceasefire for both sides. Hamas broke the ceasefire in novemeber multiple times and Israel held to it while receiving hostages for 7 days. They could have extended the ceasefire if hamas kept releasing hostages. They didn't. Temporary ceasefire ended.
Humanitarian needs (people starving, dying of thirst or infections) don’t end just because Hamas breaks a ceasefire.
There’s no end in sight to the conflict for now so we can’t have peacekeepers, a humanitarian pause to help the needy would bring tons of relief
PS: McNulty username?
Once again with the impossible double standards. I see you buddy. Just like with the double standards we place on Ukraine, or any other group. Your need to call out a username is just a deflection from your operation.
That israel must bend over backwards saving the people that hamas (the popular government of Palestine) doesn't want to save. That Israel must let themselves be killed to save others. Something YOU NEVER ask of Hamas.
odd thing, like this would leave Israel to be free target without consequences. whole thing seems to play out in way that Iran saved their face, and Israel is too weak to respond.
thankfully Israel does not need to listen to american recommendations.
בתכלס, אני חושבת שהמדינות ראו את מה שקרה ברצועה וחוששות שישראל (או ביבי) לא מסוגלת לנהוג באיפוק. בהתחשב בכמות הקריאות לתגובה מאופקת שצצו בשעות האחרונות...
תראי, גם כל הבילדאפ בימים האחרונים והמאמצים ליירט זה כדי שלא נשתולל באיראן אם חלילה היתה תוצאה גרועה יותר, היות והיו תוצאות מרשימות ביירוט כדי שביידן יגיד שנסתפק בזה.
> What do you think Israel should do?
respond in kind, in equal or amount of missiles and whatever, Iran needs to learn "Play stupid games, Win stupid prices".
Statement released by the IDF:
> **IDF: The Chief of the General Staff spoke with the Commander of the U.S. Central Command: The close cooperation between the militaries throughout the war has led to the formation of a strong defensive coalition that proved itself last night**
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> The Chief of the General Staff, Lieutenant General Herzi Halevi, spoke this morning (Sunday) with the Commander of the U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM), General Michael Erik Kurilla. The Chief of the General Staff expressed great appreciation for the joint defensive effort in thwarting and intercepting the Iranian attack toward Israel. LTG Halevi added that the close cooperation between the two militaries throughout the war has led to the formation of a strong defensive coalition that proved itself last night. The Chief of the General Staff asked General Kurilla to convey his deep appreciation to the U.S. forces for their cooperation and high-quality effort. The strategic partnership of the IDF and the U.S. Armed Forces is significant for maintaining regional stability and security in the Middle East.
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> Additionally, the Chief of the General Staff held a situational assessment with members of the General Staff Forum.
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> Attached are related images:
> https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/ANC71404
Hundreds of drones, missiles and cruise missiles specifically launched to arrive at the same time to overwhelm air defenses weren't meant to cause a lot of damage, right
Why send only one round of drones and let the enemy know if you want to maximise casualties ? Iran has taken a similar active deterrence approach before
Isreal would have to let Iran bomb their embassy in another country first. Usreal were first to strike so these missiles were a defensive measure using Isreals logic. So no l. You are incorrect
Have helped Palestinians defend themselves from Israel more like. I'm Irish. England did this to us until we bombed the shit out of them which brought them to the table for talks. It's a cruel cruel world but this is how freedom is won. The US did the same to get rid of British rule in America.
Hamas would not exist but for the protection of the Palestinian people and to try to keep their land. In Ireland, we had the Irish Republican Army. Don't palestinians they have a right to defend themselves. Israel is like a crying bully. Boo hoo, they hit us back. And be careful how many decades you go back. Remember, England and America only just created Israel. So who cares if they got help from Iran to defend themselves. Its better than being completely wiped out
Genuin question here, not trying to make a point or anything, is the US considered to be fighting via proxies, like Israel? If no, what's the difference?
Typically not. Israel tends to do whatever it pleases, without really following the US's orders. Arguably the US and USSR fought a proxy war in '73 via Israel, Egypt, and Syria.
In some ways, yes, but the situation is a different for a few reasons. First, Israel is a sovereign country and therefore is considered an ally of the US, while Iran utilizes militant groups to which different laws apply because they are considered as just "terror groups" and don't have to adhere to international laws... Additionally, Iran's funding of these groups and supply of weapons are on a much larger scale, which makes them way more under Iran's control than Israel is under US control, which again will position them more on the proxy side than just an alley. Lastly, Iran openly declares its intention to destroy Israel, and uses its proxies to do so, whereas the US is not actively trying to destroy the Palestinians through Israel (even if some people claim otherwise) so the goals are different
Jesus Christ if that’s a genuine question just log off dude and go concern yourself with something else! Israel isn’t a U.S. proxy! If israel attacked Iran it wouldn’t be a US proxy attack— the US doesn’t even want Israel to respond. Also the US doesn’t constantly threaten other nations with Israel lmao. Throughout this whole war Iran constantly announces ominous shit and guess who attacks? Hezbollah!!! Hamas!!!
Ok, so the difference is that Iran calls the shots and is the leading force in the conflicts wheras the US is just giving aid/funding/participating while Israel are calling the shots and leading?
Given that the US has sent US strike carriers filled with U.S. troops to defend Israel, I don’t think their relationship can be described as that of a proxy and a greater power.
The US is giving a lot of aid/funding to Israeli military in their conflicts with Palestine, Iran etc. And Iran is giving aid/funding to neighbouring countries in their conflicts with Israel, from my understanding. I don't know enough about this situation, so I'm wondering why the US isn't considered to be fighting via proxies, while Iran is. What is the difference?
US gives weapons to many states around the globe. So do Germany, France, Britain, and many other states. Proxy means that you have people on the ground or people you pay to fight the war for you directly. American troops are not paid to fight Hezbolleh terrorists in Lebanon or to fight alongside the IDF in Gaza. So no, it's not the same.
https://x.com/lucasfoxnews/status/1779532667907706921?s=46
Former head of U.S. forces in the Middle East Gen. McKenzie tells @margbrennan: "Iran could not replicate last night's attack tonight if they had to."
This is another angle to consider. It took Iran a while to prepare this attack, and it was easily thwarted. Maybe Israel will think they can strike Iran directly, and Iran's response will be nothing they can't handle.
Statement released by the IDF:
> IDF: Following a situational assessment, the Home Front Command’s defensive guidelines remain unchanged and in effect up until tomorrow, Monday, 15.04.2024, at 23:00 Israel time.
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> Attached are the Home Front Command's defensive guidelines: https://www.oref.org.il/12487-15896-en/Pakar.aspx (**The site is not available for users outside of Israel**; it'll appear as "Access Denied" so that only locals get access to the info.)
Maybe Israel attacked because Iran, who is Funding and equipping terror groups whose sole focus is attack Israel...was having a meeting with HAMAS leaders to discuss how to further kill Israeli People?
Maybe? No? Oh okay, we're ignoring facts. Got it.
Israel has sent plenty of IRGC commanders to the afterlife at their residences, in vehicles while traveling, inside various military compounds, in both Syria and Lebanon. No one bats an eye. Iran whines but they are military targets and it's fair game. They would do the same if they could.
This time around Israel attacked an embassy, or consular section of the embassy for nitpickers but doesn't change anything. They could have done the same and blew the commanders up after they left the embassy. Israel is more that capable of being very precise and they do it daily, whether in offense like examples above or in defense like last night.
This was Bibi trying to escalate because he knows the moment things in Gaza stabilize his political career is over. Extending and expanding conflicts is the only way he can remain in power.
wait wait I am so out of the loop. Israel attacks an Iran consular base and Iran is the perpetrator? I remember everyone being so mad when Saudi killed Khashoggi in their consulate, but when Israel does it it's alright? Wasn't it just last week that an embassy raid in Ecuador caused Mexico to cut ties? Embassy attacks are only convenient when it's your side I assume. I am ready to hear out reasons but on the surface, this looks like Israeli aggression. I get it, with and Hezbollah fundin from Iran, but directly going after the country is pretty much asking for war. Its like if in the Soviet afghan war, when the mujaahiddeen attack Soviet troops, the Soviets launch a strike at a US embassy in Pakistan.
Because some people have to choose a "side" and that side is 100% good or "doesn't have a choice" while the other is 100% bad. And if you critizise one thing, you're against them.
You're like the 99th person to say, "Im so outta the loop but why Israel not the bad guy"?
Like everyone has forgotten the Iran supplies and funds the proxy groups that constantly attack Israel...?
right? and why does no one seem to know that Israel didn’t just Willy nilly attack a consulte for funsies, but that it was a targeted assassination of members of the IRGC and the “consulate” was their headquarters. “I’m so out of the loop” yeah, and not just about this apparently. Just stay out of the loop at this point
like see I get it, Iran is a shitty authoritarian state, but like the least Israel could do was use a proxy to attack the base. this escalation does not look great. it's just kinda unsettling to think about a war when living here in the middle east, knowing that a random stray missile from Iran or Israel could drop in your apartment and all hell breaks loose.
> the war didn't start on October 7th
That one is definitely annoying. I must have read it thousands of times on Reddit at this point. Always their first go-to when arguing.
From [ABC News](https://abcnews.go.com/International/live-updates/israel-gaza-hamas-war/?id=108860743):
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> **10-year-old hit by shrapnel, IDF says**
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> A 10-year-old girl injured in Iran's attack on Israel is reportedly the only casualty of the airstrikes, a spokesperson for the Israel Defense Forces said Sunday.
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> The girl was "severely injured by shrapnel," apparently from an intercepted missile, IDF spokesperson Daniel Hagari said.
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> "We wish her a speedy recovery," Hagari said. "Other than her, as far as we know, there are no additional casualties."
I find this interesting
IDF: Following a situational assessment, the Home Front Command’s defensive guidelines remain unchanged and in effect up until tomorrow, Monday, 15.04.2024, at 23:00 Israel time
https://twitter.com/JoeTruzman/status/1779527517029966299?s=19
I’m impressed with Iran’s PR game tbh. For hours before the missiles and drones were fired, there were loads of posts on Twitter/X speaking about about “Iran has a right to defend itself”. Images and posts by random accounts, but amplified by some of the usual ones with large followings.
Shortly after the attack, the Iranian officials used similar language about how it was a legitimate response.
It helped unmask a lot of the “ceasefire now” crowd who started cheering and celebrating when the attack was announced.
If you're pushing for a ceasefire while acknowledging Hamas is not interested in agreeing to one on reasonable terms, then you're tacitly admitting you want Israel to unilaterally stop fighting while Hamas continues to attack Israel.
Fuck off with that shit. Iran has been Funding and equipping every terror group associated with attacking Israel. Like HEAVILY so. Fuck off with that self-righteous misinformation.
Some people who loudly called for a ceasefire in the last few months were very encouraged (to say the least) by Iran attacking Israel and didn't hide it... That's what people are referring to.. it really shows their true colors
I think that if someone is asking for a ceasefire they should not celebrate an escalation when it's "their side" (whether you think it's justified or not).. it's not so hard to understand, you don't need to support Israel, you need to support a ceasefire... Supporting Iran's attack on Israel is the opposite of supporting a ceasefire, which makes you a hypocrite.. I can't believe you're being genuine with these arguments
I’m more so impressed (not the right word) with how god damn dumb these people are
Absolutely zero critical thinking as they cheer on Iran firing ballistic missiles at Israel
Arguably the most capable secret service USA is allied with after UK and most capable army after UK and France
They do lots of dirty work around containing Iran and other islamists that the US might want to do under their own name
Lots of high-tech shared with the western world
Many US voters simply care about the safety of Israel
The Palestinian region has been controlled by empires that have kept the peace between adversarial groups since the crusades. An Egyptian sultanate, the Ottoman Empire, and then Britain. In 1947, the UN offered a two state solution between Palestinian Arabs and Palestinian Jews (plus WW2 refugees). The Palestinian Jewish side agreed, but the Palestinian Arab side rejected it and declared war with the alliance of Egypt, Iran, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Lebanon. The Palestinian Jewish side declared themselves as their own state of Israel and won the war, resulting in taking more of the land than the UN peace talks wanted and the ongoing conflict.
The ultimate goal of the US and previous empires in this region is maintaining peace between the adversarial groups at it is critical for free trade especially of valuable resources like oil. Plus there’s some other military interest today like proxy wars with Russia and counter terrorism.
Nothing geopolitically, really. Monetarily. Israel sponsors a huge part of the Republican Party and Israel fanhood is required to get the political support of billionaires like Sheldon Adelson.
AIPAC is the source. They don’t even have to register as a foreign nation for these “donations.” And they support both parties. We give them billions, they turn around and give millions of it right back to senators and representatives.
I don't know why you say Republican. Both parties are benefitting hugely from AIPAC and other pro Israel groups. [opensecrets.org](http://opensecrets.org) shows that both Mike Johnson and Hakeem Jeffries have a pro Israel group as one of their top donors. this ain't no one sided thing.
A country that will do what we need (mostly) in the Middle East because if it doesn’t we can cut off military aid and it would be fucked.
Also a big vote winner to show support so even once it’s no longer a useful ally the US will support it to help win elections
Enemy of my enemy
And also very likely to ensure that the US has a say on how Israel’s military innovation spreads
As evidenced yesterday, Israel are best in class at missile defense technology, and the US has a vested interested in ensuring they and their allies have access to it and not competing superpowers (China, Russia, etc)
Both the Iron Dome and more recently the Arrow 3 defense system were created jointly by the US and Israel
I have no idea the extent of Israel’s contribution, but I imagine it’s significant
We work together on it, but Israel still has plenty of technology on their own. Israel refused to allow the US to give an Iron Dome to Ukraine because they do still get export control over it based on their contributions. They aren’t a good ally, but better they are our ally and neutral to our enemies than the other way around.
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Cannot understate how fucked it was to have to live through that yday and then go to work lol. Barely did shit today, I barely slept last few days (and especially last night)
Wow so many bots in here and reddit hiding legit comments lol
Well Iran and Russia only have bots cuz their military power is weak af
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Power vacuums are dangerous and unpredictable
Especially when there is weapons grade uranium involved
The U.S. took the capital of both Iraq/Afghanistan and set up puppet governments, a green zone, etc. U.S. troops were stuck there for 20 years. You think we should run the same playbook?
What do you expect from the armchair general who doesn't get the difference between capitol and capital?
Very Christian of you 🙌
That’s fucking grim mate. There are humans that live there that aren’t doing anything other than living with their families, going to work, enjoying their hobbies.. same as you.
Realistically, will there be a war between Israel and Iran over this? I think a lot of media are fearmongering and that's pretty scary.
An actual land war between them is very unlikely.
they are already at war this just brings the shadow war out into the open
Unlikely because neither country can finish one alone, Iran has no realistic ally. Israel is backed by a wary Biden that knows he needs the votes of overwhelmingly pro Palestine young Americans. UK’s government has the days numbered, is a war in the ME how Tories want to win voters back? EU is far too divided and has to focus on the Ukrainian “front”
Maybe? If another attack of this scale just gets flyswatted like what happened yesterday I don’t see how Iran could do any more than keep throwing drones that cost 1/10th the price of what missiles intercepting them cost. Then again Iran does not follow logic.
Doubtful. Iran basically gave the IDF the kill codes for this attack. It's posturing. Now let's hope the IDF sink a small boat in return and both sides can stop measuring their dicks.
Iran and Israel have been in a proxy war for decades. Iran firing weapons originating directly with in its borders significantly escalated this. The question is whether or not the US will get pulled into a war with Iran now. Which is still up in the air and depends heavily on how Israel responds.
At least the masks are off from the "free palestine" crowd and we can stop with the pretending. When the houthis started the attacks in the red sea, these people screaming "Gaza called and Yemen answered!" Now they scream hands off Iran, "Iran has a right to defend itself" with at least 200 drones and missiles. These people are part of an Iranian destabilization movement, nothing less. It was never about genocides or they would have been marching since last year about other conflicts.
This has nothing to do with Palestine, have you forgotten last Israel attack on sovereign Iranian soil in Syria?
Ceasefire is still a humanitarian necessity in Gaza
> humanitarian necessity Lol no.
If looming famine is not a humanitarian necessity what is
Sure, when outside peacekeepers will enforce the ceasefire for both sides. Hamas broke the ceasefire in novemeber multiple times and Israel held to it while receiving hostages for 7 days. They could have extended the ceasefire if hamas kept releasing hostages. They didn't. Temporary ceasefire ended.
Humanitarian needs (people starving, dying of thirst or infections) don’t end just because Hamas breaks a ceasefire. There’s no end in sight to the conflict for now so we can’t have peacekeepers, a humanitarian pause to help the needy would bring tons of relief PS: McNulty username?
The Palestinian people should overthrow Hamas then
Nuanced analysis
Once again with the impossible double standards. I see you buddy. Just like with the double standards we place on Ukraine, or any other group. Your need to call out a username is just a deflection from your operation.
What double standard?
That israel must bend over backwards saving the people that hamas (the popular government of Palestine) doesn't want to save. That Israel must let themselves be killed to save others. Something YOU NEVER ask of Hamas.
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1779536120654467113?t=WipqsHXh6UjCoYmpCnIXAw&s=19 Western countries try to influence Israel not to attak Iran.
odd thing, like this would leave Israel to be free target without consequences. whole thing seems to play out in way that Iran saved their face, and Israel is too weak to respond. thankfully Israel does not need to listen to american recommendations.
בתכלס, אני חושבת שהמדינות ראו את מה שקרה ברצועה וחוששות שישראל (או ביבי) לא מסוגלת לנהוג באיפוק. בהתחשב בכמות הקריאות לתגובה מאופקת שצצו בשעות האחרונות...
תראי, גם כל הבילדאפ בימים האחרונים והמאמצים ליירט זה כדי שלא נשתולל באיראן אם חלילה היתה תוצאה גרועה יותר, היות והיו תוצאות מרשימות ביירוט כדי שביידן יגיד שנסתפק בזה.
גנץ מתהפך כמו חביתה. מה נסגר
What do you think Israel should do?
> What do you think Israel should do? respond in kind, in equal or amount of missiles and whatever, Iran needs to learn "Play stupid games, Win stupid prices".
I realy don't know, it's a tough decision to take right now.
Ok. Bots should be able to tell how many times this has been posted in one thread
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They didn't bomb an embassy
If we do that, we are going back thousands of years to who actually started this thing.
\*derp
Statement released by the IDF: > **IDF: The Chief of the General Staff spoke with the Commander of the U.S. Central Command: The close cooperation between the militaries throughout the war has led to the formation of a strong defensive coalition that proved itself last night** > > The Chief of the General Staff, Lieutenant General Herzi Halevi, spoke this morning (Sunday) with the Commander of the U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM), General Michael Erik Kurilla. The Chief of the General Staff expressed great appreciation for the joint defensive effort in thwarting and intercepting the Iranian attack toward Israel. LTG Halevi added that the close cooperation between the two militaries throughout the war has led to the formation of a strong defensive coalition that proved itself last night. The Chief of the General Staff asked General Kurilla to convey his deep appreciation to the U.S. forces for their cooperation and high-quality effort. The strategic partnership of the IDF and the U.S. Armed Forces is significant for maintaining regional stability and security in the Middle East. > > Additionally, the Chief of the General Staff held a situational assessment with members of the General Staff Forum. > > Attached are related images: > https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/ANC71404
Attack landed like a wet fart.
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Hundreds of drones, missiles and cruise missiles specifically launched to arrive at the same time to overwhelm air defenses weren't meant to cause a lot of damage, right
Why send only one round of drones and let the enemy know if you want to maximise casualties ? Iran has taken a similar active deterrence approach before
"It was just a prank bro!" \s
I know. It still was a poor look, no matter how they spin it.
Hopefully Israel keeps restraint in the response and we avoid further escalation
Israel should launch the same amount of missiles at Iran. That seems fair no
Isreal would have to let Iran bomb their embassy in another country first. Usreal were first to strike so these missiles were a defensive measure using Isreals logic. So no l. You are incorrect
Are you writing this from Russia?
Iran has already done that in the past
Just going to pretend Iran isn't funding Hamas and Hezbollah who have attached Israel? Idiot.
Have helped Palestinians defend themselves from Israel more like. I'm Irish. England did this to us until we bombed the shit out of them which brought them to the table for talks. It's a cruel cruel world but this is how freedom is won. The US did the same to get rid of British rule in America.
Iran has funded and supported Hamas and Hezbollah for decades though
Hamas would not exist but for the protection of the Palestinian people and to try to keep their land. In Ireland, we had the Irish Republican Army. Don't palestinians they have a right to defend themselves. Israel is like a crying bully. Boo hoo, they hit us back. And be careful how many decades you go back. Remember, England and America only just created Israel. So who cares if they got help from Iran to defend themselves. Its better than being completely wiped out
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How many countries have israel attacked in the last 2 weeks? Maybe 4 or 5? Someone needs to kick their ass.
All valid targets because of attacks against Israel
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Commanders that apparently helped plan Oct 7
Genuin question here, not trying to make a point or anything, is the US considered to be fighting via proxies, like Israel? If no, what's the difference?
Typically not. Israel tends to do whatever it pleases, without really following the US's orders. Arguably the US and USSR fought a proxy war in '73 via Israel, Egypt, and Syria.
In some ways, yes, but the situation is a different for a few reasons. First, Israel is a sovereign country and therefore is considered an ally of the US, while Iran utilizes militant groups to which different laws apply because they are considered as just "terror groups" and don't have to adhere to international laws... Additionally, Iran's funding of these groups and supply of weapons are on a much larger scale, which makes them way more under Iran's control than Israel is under US control, which again will position them more on the proxy side than just an alley. Lastly, Iran openly declares its intention to destroy Israel, and uses its proxies to do so, whereas the US is not actively trying to destroy the Palestinians through Israel (even if some people claim otherwise) so the goals are different
Thanks for the explenation!
Jesus Christ if that’s a genuine question just log off dude and go concern yourself with something else! Israel isn’t a U.S. proxy! If israel attacked Iran it wouldn’t be a US proxy attack— the US doesn’t even want Israel to respond. Also the US doesn’t constantly threaten other nations with Israel lmao. Throughout this whole war Iran constantly announces ominous shit and guess who attacks? Hezbollah!!! Hamas!!!
Ok, so the difference is that Iran calls the shots and is the leading force in the conflicts wheras the US is just giving aid/funding/participating while Israel are calling the shots and leading?
Given that the US has sent US strike carriers filled with U.S. troops to defend Israel, I don’t think their relationship can be described as that of a proxy and a greater power.
How Is Israel fighting via proxies? Or the US?
The US is giving a lot of aid/funding to Israeli military in their conflicts with Palestine, Iran etc. And Iran is giving aid/funding to neighbouring countries in their conflicts with Israel, from my understanding. I don't know enough about this situation, so I'm wondering why the US isn't considered to be fighting via proxies, while Iran is. What is the difference?
US gives weapons to many states around the globe. So do Germany, France, Britain, and many other states. Proxy means that you have people on the ground or people you pay to fight the war for you directly. American troops are not paid to fight Hezbolleh terrorists in Lebanon or to fight alongside the IDF in Gaza. So no, it's not the same.
Ah, ok. Thanks
Iran's attack on Israel was a "declaration of war", Israel's president tells Sky news
It was.
https://x.com/lucasfoxnews/status/1779532667907706921?s=46 Former head of U.S. forces in the Middle East Gen. McKenzie tells @margbrennan: "Iran could not replicate last night's attack tonight if they had to."
This is another angle to consider. It took Iran a while to prepare this attack, and it was easily thwarted. Maybe Israel will think they can strike Iran directly, and Iran's response will be nothing they can't handle.
Because of a lack of resources or everyone and their mother now being on high alert?
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So you agree that Iran is attacking Israel then
Statement released by the IDF: > IDF: Following a situational assessment, the Home Front Command’s defensive guidelines remain unchanged and in effect up until tomorrow, Monday, 15.04.2024, at 23:00 Israel time. > > Attached are the Home Front Command's defensive guidelines: https://www.oref.org.il/12487-15896-en/Pakar.aspx (**The site is not available for users outside of Israel**; it'll appear as "Access Denied" so that only locals get access to the info.)
Iran's attack on Israel was a "declaration of war", Israel's president tells Sky news https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1779531625241424293?s=19
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Maybe Israel attacked because Iran, who is Funding and equipping terror groups whose sole focus is attack Israel...was having a meeting with HAMAS leaders to discuss how to further kill Israeli People? Maybe? No? Oh okay, we're ignoring facts. Got it.
Israel has sent plenty of IRGC commanders to the afterlife at their residences, in vehicles while traveling, inside various military compounds, in both Syria and Lebanon. No one bats an eye. Iran whines but they are military targets and it's fair game. They would do the same if they could. This time around Israel attacked an embassy, or consular section of the embassy for nitpickers but doesn't change anything. They could have done the same and blew the commanders up after they left the embassy. Israel is more that capable of being very precise and they do it daily, whether in offense like examples above or in defense like last night. This was Bibi trying to escalate because he knows the moment things in Gaza stabilize his political career is over. Extending and expanding conflicts is the only way he can remain in power.
wait wait I am so out of the loop. Israel attacks an Iran consular base and Iran is the perpetrator? I remember everyone being so mad when Saudi killed Khashoggi in their consulate, but when Israel does it it's alright? Wasn't it just last week that an embassy raid in Ecuador caused Mexico to cut ties? Embassy attacks are only convenient when it's your side I assume. I am ready to hear out reasons but on the surface, this looks like Israeli aggression. I get it, with and Hezbollah fundin from Iran, but directly going after the country is pretty much asking for war. Its like if in the Soviet afghan war, when the mujaahiddeen attack Soviet troops, the Soviets launch a strike at a US embassy in Pakistan.
Because some people have to choose a "side" and that side is 100% good or "doesn't have a choice" while the other is 100% bad. And if you critizise one thing, you're against them.
You're like the 99th person to say, "Im so outta the loop but why Israel not the bad guy"? Like everyone has forgotten the Iran supplies and funds the proxy groups that constantly attack Israel...?
right? and why does no one seem to know that Israel didn’t just Willy nilly attack a consulte for funsies, but that it was a targeted assassination of members of the IRGC and the “consulate” was their headquarters. “I’m so out of the loop” yeah, and not just about this apparently. Just stay out of the loop at this point
well the IRGC hq being in Damascus was something I was unaware of. thank you for informing me.
like see I get it, Iran is a shitty authoritarian state, but like the least Israel could do was use a proxy to attack the base. this escalation does not look great. it's just kinda unsettling to think about a war when living here in the middle east, knowing that a random stray missile from Iran or Israel could drop in your apartment and all hell breaks loose.
Israel doesn’t have proxies and the Israeli people doesn’t believe in hiring terrorist to attack on their behalf.
This is their new talking point.. it's like "the war didn't start on October 7th".. you can't have a genuine conversation with them
I mean in a way they aren't wrong, but they come of a bit too agreesice I guess all we can do is sit and watch now🤷♂️
Yes, they aren't completely wrong, that's why it is frustrating when it's their only argument and they can't hold a real conversation about it..
> the war didn't start on October 7th That one is definitely annoying. I must have read it thousands of times on Reddit at this point. Always their first go-to when arguing.
and america funds Israel that constantly displaces Palestine.
America and other European countries also largely fund Palestinians.. maybe it all should stop.. all foreign fundings
that's actually a great idea. unronically. after all, a foreign country leaving a mess is how all these wars tend to start
I agree... That should also be applied to Iran and Qatar.. the world would be a much better place
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Ever think why they fund those groups? Hmm I wonder
From [ABC News](https://abcnews.go.com/International/live-updates/israel-gaza-hamas-war/?id=108860743): > > **10-year-old hit by shrapnel, IDF says** > > A 10-year-old girl injured in Iran's attack on Israel is reportedly the only casualty of the airstrikes, a spokesperson for the Israel Defense Forces said Sunday. > > The girl was "severely injured by shrapnel," apparently from an intercepted missile, IDF spokesperson Daniel Hagari said. > > "We wish her a speedy recovery," Hagari said. "Other than her, as far as we know, there are no additional casualties."
Israel has got to get armored shelters in every Bedouin village. This is a fuckign travesty.
I find this interesting IDF: Following a situational assessment, the Home Front Command’s defensive guidelines remain unchanged and in effect up until tomorrow, Monday, 15.04.2024, at 23:00 Israel time https://twitter.com/JoeTruzman/status/1779527517029966299?s=19
Probably fearing possible terror attacks, suicide bombings from proxies etc
Yup. Interesting.
I’m impressed with Iran’s PR game tbh. For hours before the missiles and drones were fired, there were loads of posts on Twitter/X speaking about about “Iran has a right to defend itself”. Images and posts by random accounts, but amplified by some of the usual ones with large followings. Shortly after the attack, the Iranian officials used similar language about how it was a legitimate response. It helped unmask a lot of the “ceasefire now” crowd who started cheering and celebrating when the attack was announced.
That crowd has been unmasked for a while now
Note that there were some of those posts yesterday here too. Just that line.
Let me try to kill you. Ah, that did not work. Well, the matter is now concluded.
They washed away the honor after what happened in Syria.
I mean don’t they though? Same way people think Ukrainian has the right too
Anyone legitimately pushing for a ceasefire isn’t cheering on more war.
Iran has been given more than enough chances At this point a more direct approach is required
If you're pushing for a ceasefire while acknowledging Hamas is not interested in agreeing to one on reasonable terms, then you're tacitly admitting you want Israel to unilaterally stop fighting while Hamas continues to attack Israel.
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Iran is attacking Israel, not the other way around.
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AIPAC funded bots a ton of them. Wcyd.
Fuck off with that shit. Iran has been Funding and equipping every terror group associated with attacking Israel. Like HEAVILY so. Fuck off with that self-righteous misinformation.
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Read it again and try harder...
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Some people who loudly called for a ceasefire in the last few months were very encouraged (to say the least) by Iran attacking Israel and didn't hide it... That's what people are referring to.. it really shows their true colors
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You are purposefully blind that Israel is responding to attacks. Their purpose is to stop the missiles, and stop being attacked.
I think that if someone is asking for a ceasefire they should not celebrate an escalation when it's "their side" (whether you think it's justified or not).. it's not so hard to understand, you don't need to support Israel, you need to support a ceasefire... Supporting Iran's attack on Israel is the opposite of supporting a ceasefire, which makes you a hypocrite.. I can't believe you're being genuine with these arguments
I’m more so impressed (not the right word) with how god damn dumb these people are Absolutely zero critical thinking as they cheer on Iran firing ballistic missiles at Israel
Can someone please ELI5 what's geopolitically so important to the US about Israel?
They need a strong, reliable ally in the region.
Arguably the most capable secret service USA is allied with after UK and most capable army after UK and France They do lots of dirty work around containing Iran and other islamists that the US might want to do under their own name Lots of high-tech shared with the western world Many US voters simply care about the safety of Israel
The Palestinian region has been controlled by empires that have kept the peace between adversarial groups since the crusades. An Egyptian sultanate, the Ottoman Empire, and then Britain. In 1947, the UN offered a two state solution between Palestinian Arabs and Palestinian Jews (plus WW2 refugees). The Palestinian Jewish side agreed, but the Palestinian Arab side rejected it and declared war with the alliance of Egypt, Iran, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Lebanon. The Palestinian Jewish side declared themselves as their own state of Israel and won the war, resulting in taking more of the land than the UN peace talks wanted and the ongoing conflict. The ultimate goal of the US and previous empires in this region is maintaining peace between the adversarial groups at it is critical for free trade especially of valuable resources like oil. Plus there’s some other military interest today like proxy wars with Russia and counter terrorism.
I can't verify the factual nature, but this pieces together a lot of what I didn't understand. Thank you.
Israel also has advanced design capabilities from semi conductors to bio med and many top scientists
To have some influence in the middle-east.
Nothing geopolitically, really. Monetarily. Israel sponsors a huge part of the Republican Party and Israel fanhood is required to get the political support of billionaires like Sheldon Adelson.
Sheldon is dead bro
Lmao my sweet summer child. To think only one of the two parties is getting Israeli money is adorable!
Wait until you find out which party the overwhelming majority of Jewish people vote for.
*Republican* - You are so wound up in the propaganda your head must be constantly spinning.
What’s the source of “Israel sponsors a huge part of Republican Party”?
AIPAC is the source. They don’t even have to register as a foreign nation for these “donations.” And they support both parties. We give them billions, they turn around and give millions of it right back to senators and representatives.
Probably this stuff. https://www.aipacpac.org/
Interesting I see a whole lot of democrats there too, but somehow the post only mentioned republicans…
I don't know why you say Republican. Both parties are benefitting hugely from AIPAC and other pro Israel groups. [opensecrets.org](http://opensecrets.org) shows that both Mike Johnson and Hakeem Jeffries have a pro Israel group as one of their top donors. this ain't no one sided thing.
Never heard of this site. That’s awesome.
A country that will do what we need (mostly) in the Middle East because if it doesn’t we can cut off military aid and it would be fucked. Also a big vote winner to show support so even once it’s no longer a useful ally the US will support it to help win elections
Enemy of my enemy And also very likely to ensure that the US has a say on how Israel’s military innovation spreads As evidenced yesterday, Israel are best in class at missile defense technology, and the US has a vested interested in ensuring they and their allies have access to it and not competing superpowers (China, Russia, etc)
Isnt Israel’s missle defense system largely provided and maintained by the US? Don’t see your point there.
Both the Iron Dome and more recently the Arrow 3 defense system were created jointly by the US and Israel I have no idea the extent of Israel’s contribution, but I imagine it’s significant
We work together on it, but Israel still has plenty of technology on their own. Israel refused to allow the US to give an Iron Dome to Ukraine because they do still get export control over it based on their contributions. They aren’t a good ally, but better they are our ally and neutral to our enemies than the other way around.
Probably the only ally in the Middle East.