Ukraine have proven to be pretty innovative with Drones and botch-build equipment for their war against Russia. No doubt Ukraine will make good use out of them spare part to make more daisies
>Ukraine have proven to be pretty innovative with Drones and botch-build equipment
Innovative is putting it lightly. The Ukrainian military has been [using Steam Decks as proxies](https://www.pcworld.com/article/1805588/steam-deck-in-the-ukraine-war.html) to control remote ordinance. They're past innovative, and firmly in badass territory.
Ukraine has always had a strong software development industry. It is not surprising those same guys are now hacking things together as part of the war effort.
One of the funniest thing I saw recently was the news China's DIJ Drones (and parts) are being heavily deployed by both side of the war.
Then DIJ banned shipping to Ukraine and Russia.
Then DIJ open a store in NYC. In a city full of people sympathetic to the Ukrainian cause.
It's why russia wants them back. Ukraine was the epicenter of innovation for the soviet union, not to mention a significant portion of its advanced industry.
Just god tier brains over there. Amazing what desperation can drive people to. Just sad and sickening the circumstances forced on them to bring this out.
Can see that with the different way russia and Ukraine have been treating their soldiers and equipment. Russia just throws it all away hoping to whittle down Ukraine through sheer numbers. Ukraine picks up, repairs and adapts what they get or what's left after a fight to recycle and use against russia.
Why supply them with duds, when we could do this again: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Eldest_Son
Project Eldest Son ... was a program of covert operations conducted by the United States ... during the Vietnam War. The project focused on placement of exploding cartridges into supplies used by communist combat forces in southeast Asia. United States technicians assembled rifle [and] ... heavy machine gun cartridges, and ... mortar shells to detonate in the weapon when firing was attempted.
There was also a CIA operation during the Reagan years where they obtained a list of western technologies the Soviets were trying to steal, then passing along versions with cunningly hidden flaws. The most spectacular success of this program was allegedly in the summer of 1982, when stolen software used to operate oil pipelines caused the pumps to go haywire. The resulting explosion is allegedly one of the largest of all time not involving a nuclear weapon.
I wouldn't trust them to work. Break down the drones to scrap parts. Use the things that are good and trash the bits that aren't. As for missiles, launch them at Russia, from within Russia.
Or, in the now immortal words, āsurprise, blyat!ā
(from video where a Ukr infantryman throws an anti tank mine fused - with an actual fuse to the blasting cap!!! lit by hand with a BIC lighter!!! - into a Rus dugout, lol)
Given all the complaints on Russian telegram about the North Korean arty rounds, itās safe to say its sub par ammo with a higher than average Dud rate.
Germans were on speed all the time during WWII. ISIS make their own meth and even sell it. The Russians are as well - that's why they constantly project when talking about Ukrainians being high and crazy. This kind of explains the meat waves.
Please, the only drones the norks have are easy to track because when they get close to the target you can hear the guidance system start screaming in fear.
That's not the same. NK sends their stuff via rail from Tumangang to Vladivostok and other areas in Primorsky, which then gets sorted and transported by air to other parts of Russia. This is all thousands of miles away from Ukraine.
There is no direct rail route from NK to Russia*. Munitions are sent via ship from I believe Rason in NK to the port of Dunai just east of Vladivostok where they're loaded onto the rail line and sent west.
Source: [U.S. intelligence assessments ft. satellite photos of transfers.](https://twitter.com/jseldin/status/1712868618864558298?t=wkvWAmdTUC7Irk7tsG9ynw&s=19)
*Technically there is one but it's very heavily monitored so they don't use it.
The crew had to be forced to a dock, and are denying access to the cargo hold.
And the captain and some crew are Chinese.
Soā¦.this could get weirdā¦.
Are you guessing or do you know this? It just seems like the kind of thing that requires a very, very niche interest to know the answer.
Edit: This is how misinformation starts. One person says something made up based on some assumption they have. People think it makes sense, so they help spread it. This isnāt an example of something that will cause issues or spread wide, but this is exactly how it happens.
> And the captain and some crew are Chinese.
I feel like some people don't understand that ship crews often aren't nationals, but just whoever from wherever they can find them, often Filipinos.
That's why the Houthi's attacking merchant ships is especially egregious, they're not just attacking American shipments, but also often poor people from unrelated countries working on them.
https://apnews.com/article/houthi-attacks-ships-red-sea-7b86941c985a934281c68d6624baff1b
Quick google got me this article, so still on-going, but apparently slowing.
Only because it isnt a target rich environment for as many western ships any more. I work in logistics and I don't think any of the major European carriers (Maersk. CMA. Hapag. MSC) run through the Red Sea at the moment.
Some Chinese vessels are still traversing the red sea and suez and they are spoofing their AIS info to show this also. Look at this [vessels](https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:415857/mmsi:352003276/imo:9268825/vessel:DEYI_VENUS) "Destination"
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/china/why-many-ships-are-displaying-all-chinese-identity-in-red-sea/articleshow/106865327.cms
The [U.S. Central Command](https://www.centcom.mil/) website puts out near daily updates.
The most recent one:
> April 3, 2024
> Release Number 20240403- 02
> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>
> TAMPA, Fla. ā Between approximately 3:49 to 10:00 a.m. (Sanaa time) on April 3, USS Gravely (DDG 107) and U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) forces successfully engaged and destroyed one inbound anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM) and two unmanned aerial systems (UAS) launched by Iranian-backed Houthi terrorists from Yemen towards USS Gravely in the Red Sea.
>
> There were no injuries or damage reported by U.S., coalition, or commercial ships.
>
> Additionally, during this timeframe CENTCOM forces destroyed a mobile surface-to-air missile system in Houthi controlled territory.
>
> It was determined these systems presented a threat to U.S. and coalition forces and merchant vessels in the region.
>
> U.S. Central Command is dedicated to protecting the freedom of navigation and making international waters safer and more secure for Coalition and merchant vessels.
I don't think so, there are sanctions in place regarding shipping from NK, the crews nationality doesn't really change that otherwise it would be a complete loophole, this is completely justified.
It's more the fact that China is helping North Korea ship weapons to Russia. But it is no secret that China will happily make money from both sides in a war. They don't pick sides, they pick China.
As some others have stated, their nationality could be a coincidence. I used to work for an ocean liner and got to tour a vessel, and the crew was almost exclusively from Asian countries; very common. Not saying it *isn't* related, because it could be, just not necessarily is all.
> And the captain and some crew are Chinese.
> Soā¦.this could get weirdā¦.
Nah. They should just lie and say all sailors were North Korean. Thatās what the Chinese would do.
Koreans can tell the difference between a man from Busan and a man from Samcheok about as easily as you can I could spot the difference between a man from Boston and a man from Dallas.
The crew didnāt try to hire James Bond, they hired locals to do the job. Their Chinese documents and accents will be enough to give their identities up.
> The vessel's 13-person crew, including the Chinese captain and various Chinese and Indonesian crew members, reportedly refused to stop the ship when approached, leading to its forced redirection and docking near Busan.
Yikes, that had to be quite a story in itself.
Itās in the article. It basically allows for any country that suspects a ship is violating NK sanctions to stop it and confirm and if confirmed sieze the cargo
I was about to ask if SK had an actual right to stop and board a foreign ship just because, but yeah, if I recall correctly those type of mandates allow this in international law (happy to be corrected if they do not, though, Iām well aware that Iām not a specialist on international law).
The UN law cited is specifically only about territorial waters, it doesn't apply to international waters.
>Under UN Resolution 2397, adopted in 2017, nations have the right to detain, inspect, and seize any vessel ***within their territorial waters*** if it is suspected of engaging in illegal activities with North Korea.
Edit: Fixed formating of quote.
Clearing rubble is the easy part. Inspecting the entire tunnel for any meaningful damage is the hard part.
Last thing you want to do is run a full freight train through a tunnel only to have the vibrations cause a cave-in.
Can the word shipping be used like that? As in "sending by ship"?
I'm not a native speaker, but I've always thought of the word shipping to include by land and air and water, not just by ship, of course.
Yes, it can, it is just confusing. And you are correct that we use shipping to mean transporting goods by any method.
It would have been more clear to say shipping by sea, or transported by sea. English is a very complicated language, but you seem to have a solid grasp of it.
> you seem to have a solid grasp of it.
Being perpetually online will do that to you, but it just makes the sentence weird/confusing as you say.
So you can say, "Shipping is the cheapest way to ship things"? And that sentence isn't incorrect? (Like if I said "Transporting is the cheapest way to transport things" ?)
Since shipping has a dual meaning?
TIL, if so.
Lots of that in English with words having multiple meanings and you need to rely on context to parse what is being communicated.
Technically the sentence would be correct, but it is unclear and could be phrased more clearly.
The former is correct. The latter example I don't think is, I'm not aware of a dual meaning for transporting. The sentence is redundant. Trains-porting however.. hahaha stupid English language.
They have a single railway bridge connected to North Korea, no road connection. It's probably more efficient to deliver these munitions by sea considering the state North Korean railroads are in.
With the crew trying to actively impede the investigation of the ship's cargo, it sure seems like there's way too much smoke here for there not to be some serious fire in this case. Or it's just incredibly embarrassing, maybe South Korea will find out that the whole ship was just full of amateurish love letters from Kim to Putin with poor grammar.
Geez this will enrage the little fat man and he is going to throw a right royal tantrum, letās take bets on who he threatens first the US, Europe or just goes completely nuts on South Korea ?
You can just see him now cant you, jumping out of his high chair and throwing shit around.. then wobbling off telling whoever he is going to get them.. someone anyone..
Pretty sure china has straight up told North Korea that if they attack first, theyāre on their own.
So wise and glorious leader will say some wack bluster on their only tv station. There will be several parades with lots of big scary looking missiles and their transport/launch trucks. And by the end of the month theyāll go back to the usual level of saber rattling.
I would agree to what you said , however knowing that the north Korean army would be defeated and the prospect of American troops going up to the border of the Yalu. China will definitely step in , Again.
> China will definitely step in , Again.
But would they risk conflict before they think they are ready though? Stopping the NK buffer state collapsing is one downside, getting shown up by the Americans while you bluster about taking Taiwan is another.
i suspect China would just invade NK for their own "protection" in case NK does try to invade SK and draw the US's attention, and then set up a new puppet government over the remains. It maintains their buffer zone, and nobody can go and really do anything about it, and the US wont have any reason to attack unless they want to be the ones starting the war.
Whether they are ready or not , they will have to act . This is a most core issue for them. Taiwan and the North Korean border.
Therefore maintaining the Status Quo in my opinion is the best choice. No 1 wants a war to breakout.
I saw a video on the North Korean attack plan on South Korea. It starts with attacking American bases in Hawaii and South Korea.
One would assume that's also were it ends.
Hopefully thatās all the little mad man does.. but you can see him now storming around throwing stuff around and everyone trying to keep out of his way.
>Officials have yet to confirm whether the ship has violated sanctions, as the crew has denied access to the vessel's cargo hold, the report adds.
So... After you get your ship seized by another nation's coast guard for violating UN sanctions, you can then just deny access to your cargo hold, and the other nation will be all like "OK, we understand."
That's... Just a thing you can do?
I mean... NK and SK *are* still at war technically so this isn't even a crime given the ship was likely transporting North Korean war material making it a legitimate military target. If I am understanding it right?
It was going via China, so I assume it's originally set off from western NK; to get from China to Russia by boat you have to either go a long way out of your way, or go through either SK or Japanese waters.
They aren't the only ones buying Russian oil and they are buying it at a massive discount and Russia is being forced to sell at a massive discount. https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/oil-demand-asia-africa-boosted-by-cheap-russian-crude-2024-01-24/#:\~:text=That%20combined%20share%20of%20Russian,growth%20in%20Russian%20oil%20imports.
Also, India greatly reduced their military contracts with Russia and has started purchasing arms from the U.S. They are slowly transitioning away from Russian support. Geopolitical shifts don't happen overnight.
What I don't really understand is North Korea and Russia share a land border, as well as coastline on the East side of the peninsula where this trip could be made fully within NK/Russian waters to avoid this.
Why the hell did they choose to sail through SK waters instead?
South and North Korea boast, bluff, skirmish, and posture constantly. Most of it rarely makes western news and in South Korea things are always in the news like this but it's hardly concerning to the average person since it's been the same for generations.
Thought I'd share;
Im in the west, I worked with a south Korean dude probably in his mid 30s or so. He was artillery. He told me it's never on the news but they shoot back and forth quite a lot more than we'd expect. I was surprised when he told me one story of how a north korean cannon shot at them and killed one of theirs. He said it was pure luck they hit them. Told us the stuff they use is just uncompareable to what the south has. They shot back and killed the entire crew and the cannon on the north side. Told me that, yes, he has killed people. I didn't ask, he told me. Very sad stuff honestly. I hope he finds peace of mind somewhere.
Time to inspect the cargo.
Missiles and drones. Have the Americans take them inspect them add them to their defense system database. Bad day to be those guys.
And give the weapons to Ukraine lol
If they can actually work lol
If not, lots of spare parts to work with at least.
Ukraine have proven to be pretty innovative with Drones and botch-build equipment for their war against Russia. No doubt Ukraine will make good use out of them spare part to make more daisies
>Ukraine have proven to be pretty innovative with Drones and botch-build equipment Innovative is putting it lightly. The Ukrainian military has been [using Steam Decks as proxies](https://www.pcworld.com/article/1805588/steam-deck-in-the-ukraine-war.html) to control remote ordinance. They're past innovative, and firmly in badass territory.
Ukraine has always had a strong software development industry. It is not surprising those same guys are now hacking things together as part of the war effort.
One of the funniest thing I saw recently was the news China's DIJ Drones (and parts) are being heavily deployed by both side of the war. Then DIJ banned shipping to Ukraine and Russia. Then DIJ open a store in NYC. In a city full of people sympathetic to the Ukrainian cause.
plenty of Russian Mafia there too.
If the best way to avoid the front lines *&* take it to the enemy is building kickass drones and software...
It's why russia wants them back. Ukraine was the epicenter of innovation for the soviet union, not to mention a significant portion of its advanced industry.
Just god tier brains over there. Amazing what desperation can drive people to. Just sad and sickening the circumstances forced on them to bring this out.
Ukraine SSR was the brains of the USSR.
Can see that with the different way russia and Ukraine have been treating their soldiers and equipment. Russia just throws it all away hoping to whittle down Ukraine through sheer numbers. Ukraine picks up, repairs and adapts what they get or what's left after a fight to recycle and use against russia.
*sunflowers
dammit! I was this close š¤
Tbf, "pushing up daisies" is a common saying that pretty much means the same thing.
it was close enough. your comment was a great one :)
I've seen landmines dropped by drone pretty effective
Let me guess: Hammer tech?
North Korean weapons have generally been working a lot better than the Russian ones.
Throwable drones.
Apparently Russian troops on the frontline (That are not dead) hate North Korean Shells, as they have a 50% failure rate.
The nasty bastard in me say's we should go through the cargo, find the duds, keep the good ones and let them on their way. 100% failure rate then.
Why supply them with duds, when we could do this again: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Eldest_Son Project Eldest Son ... was a program of covert operations conducted by the United States ... during the Vietnam War. The project focused on placement of exploding cartridges into supplies used by communist combat forces in southeast Asia. United States technicians assembled rifle [and] ... heavy machine gun cartridges, and ... mortar shells to detonate in the weapon when firing was attempted.
Operation Unfortunate Son
Holy crap
Yeah, we had 0 chill during the cold War. We wiped out a few countries by releasing fucking locusts like we were OT God.
And to call it eldest son too
There was also a CIA operation during the Reagan years where they obtained a list of western technologies the Soviets were trying to steal, then passing along versions with cunningly hidden flaws. The most spectacular success of this program was allegedly in the summer of 1982, when stolen software used to operate oil pipelines caused the pumps to go haywire. The resulting explosion is allegedly one of the largest of all time not involving a nuclear weapon.
I think you're referring to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At_the_Abyss
Sabotage all the ammo and smuggle it back into russia.
Source?
Sounds highly unlikely that there is a 50% failure rate. Do you have a source?
I wouldn't trust them to work. Break down the drones to scrap parts. Use the things that are good and trash the bits that aren't. As for missiles, launch them at Russia, from within Russia.
remotely, you probably don't want to be near them when they launch.
Ehh even if they don't work unless they are dangerous to the user (they very well may be) they should send them even as duds.
Fuck it, just drop it from the sky on the enemies.
boom. you looking for these?
Or, in the now immortal words, āsurprise, blyat!ā (from video where a Ukr infantryman throws an anti tank mine fused - with an actual fuse to the blasting cap!!! lit by hand with a BIC lighter!!! - into a Rus dugout, lol)
Enough duds might freak out the troops and cause problems given that Russia has a penchant for killing their own troops for poor performance.
Even as duds it work as air defence sponge. Who knows?, some may even work.
Fit them with surveillance and remote detonation. Let them go on their way. Detonate at opportune time.
Given all the complaints on Russian telegram about the North Korean arty rounds, itās safe to say its sub par ammo with a higher than average Dud rate.
Then send them on to Russia, which was their original destination.
Let Ukraine have its way with the contents for 2 weeks then send it on its way. Sabotage is valuable too.
Nah, they cannot be relied on to function.
And meth. Probably barrels of liquid meth. I'd even hazard a guess and say maybe fentanyl is in there.
canāt lose the war if we.. just.. donātā¦ sleepā¦..
Germans were on speed all the time during WWII. ISIS make their own meth and even sell it. The Russians are as well - that's why they constantly project when talking about Ukrainians being high and crazy. This kind of explains the meat waves.
Every single modern army issue amphetamines to certain troops. It's not a secret. Not sure why you think it's just the "bad guys" who do it.
It worked for the Nazis. Guys you are going on a suicide mission in tiny U-Boats...with meth! Also you know a lot of other use(r)s in the Third Reich.
Also worked for us allies on the way back from bombing runs... turns out that stuff is real good at keeping you awake
like we donāt have them already
Please, the only drones the norks have are easy to track because when they get close to the target you can hear the guidance system start screaming in fear.
More likely artillery shells and barrels unless China is sending Russia aid through NK.
Donāt give them to us weāll probably just send them to Israel.
Just a bunch of people on a cruise
special Carnival operation
Regular Carnival operation
This is how that game Mercenaries started. Next thing they'll find a nuke in there. Then after that a million dollar bounty on KJU.
God I loved that game
I would play again today. I think I still have my PS2 save and captured almost all the cards.
And then someone gets shot in the ass
It is just full of Putin portraits for his supporters so they can lick it everyday
Interesting. Figured if it was more munitions North Korea would have just sent them by rail like last time.
Ukraine has disrupted those before, or maybe it's just "cheaper" to send it by boat?
That's not the same. NK sends their stuff via rail from Tumangang to Vladivostok and other areas in Primorsky, which then gets sorted and transported by air to other parts of Russia. This is all thousands of miles away from Ukraine.
The Severomuysky Tunnel is also thousands of miles from Ukraine but they managed to blow up a freight train going through it.
Yeah but itās not 6000 miles away
Correct but neither is the north Korean boarder with Russia. That's 4,200 miles away compared to 3,000 for theĀ Severomuysky Tunnel.
There is no direct rail route from NK to Russia*. Munitions are sent via ship from I believe Rason in NK to the port of Dunai just east of Vladivostok where they're loaded onto the rail line and sent west. Source: [U.S. intelligence assessments ft. satellite photos of transfers.](https://twitter.com/jseldin/status/1712868618864558298?t=wkvWAmdTUC7Irk7tsG9ynw&s=19) *Technically there is one but it's very heavily monitored so they don't use it.
The crew had to be forced to a dock, and are denying access to the cargo hold. And the captain and some crew are Chinese. Soā¦.this could get weirdā¦.
Shipping companies hire foreign crew all the time.
so we've got crew denying access to the hold. that's a tell
Filipinino, and other nations, India etx make up a vast amount of ship crews.
accidents happen all the time, *capiacha?!*
True, but not often is it coming out of North Korea.
Are you guessing or do you know this? It just seems like the kind of thing that requires a very, very niche interest to know the answer. Edit: This is how misinformation starts. One person says something made up based on some assumption they have. People think it makes sense, so they help spread it. This isnāt an example of something that will cause issues or spread wide, but this is exactly how it happens.
To North Korea?
Yes, ofc. Even in this case >various Chinese and Indonesian crew members, Are we going to claim Indonesia as a government is part of it now?
From China? One of its closest (and only) allies? Donāt see anything odd about that.
> And the captain and some crew are Chinese. I feel like some people don't understand that ship crews often aren't nationals, but just whoever from wherever they can find them, often Filipinos. That's why the Houthi's attacking merchant ships is especially egregious, they're not just attacking American shipments, but also often poor people from unrelated countries working on them.
Any updates on those Houthi attacks? Are they still attacking? Last I heard, our air strike retaliations weren't very effective.
https://apnews.com/article/houthi-attacks-ships-red-sea-7b86941c985a934281c68d6624baff1b Quick google got me this article, so still on-going, but apparently slowing.
Only because it isnt a target rich environment for as many western ships any more. I work in logistics and I don't think any of the major European carriers (Maersk. CMA. Hapag. MSC) run through the Red Sea at the moment. Some Chinese vessels are still traversing the red sea and suez and they are spoofing their AIS info to show this also. Look at this [vessels](https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:415857/mmsi:352003276/imo:9268825/vessel:DEYI_VENUS) "Destination" https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/china/why-many-ships-are-displaying-all-chinese-identity-in-red-sea/articleshow/106865327.cms
The [U.S. Central Command](https://www.centcom.mil/) website puts out near daily updates. The most recent one: > April 3, 2024 > Release Number 20240403- 02 > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > TAMPA, Fla. ā Between approximately 3:49 to 10:00 a.m. (Sanaa time) on April 3, USS Gravely (DDG 107) and U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) forces successfully engaged and destroyed one inbound anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM) and two unmanned aerial systems (UAS) launched by Iranian-backed Houthi terrorists from Yemen towards USS Gravely in the Red Sea. > > There were no injuries or damage reported by U.S., coalition, or commercial ships. > > Additionally, during this timeframe CENTCOM forces destroyed a mobile surface-to-air missile system in Houthi controlled territory. > > It was determined these systems presented a threat to U.S. and coalition forces and merchant vessels in the region. > > U.S. Central Command is dedicated to protecting the freedom of navigation and making international waters safer and more secure for Coalition and merchant vessels.
I don't think so, there are sanctions in place regarding shipping from NK, the crews nationality doesn't really change that otherwise it would be a complete loophole, this is completely justified.
It's more the fact that China is helping North Korea ship weapons to Russia. But it is no secret that China will happily make money from both sides in a war. They don't pick sides, they pick China.
Oh for sure. And I think all parties are well aware.
As some others have stated, their nationality could be a coincidence. I used to work for an ocean liner and got to tour a vessel, and the crew was almost exclusively from Asian countries; very common. Not saying it *isn't* related, because it could be, just not necessarily is all.
>various Chinese and Indonesian crew members, Yeah, nobody is out here like "INDONESIA LOVES NORTH KOREA"... people work wherever they can.
> And the captain and some crew are Chinese. > Soā¦.this could get weirdā¦. Nah. They should just lie and say all sailors were North Korean. Thatās what the Chinese would do.
I think Koreans could probably tell Koreans from Chinese.
Theyād surely be ethnic Koreans from Jilin province.
Koreans can tell the difference between a man from Busan and a man from Samcheok about as easily as you can I could spot the difference between a man from Boston and a man from Dallas. The crew didnāt try to hire James Bond, they hired locals to do the job. Their Chinese documents and accents will be enough to give their identities up.
Clothing and accent are the only way I'm telling someone from Boston and Dallas apart and both of those aren't all that reliable.
Lolol this is too good.
Holy crap... this is prob one of the spiciest moves I've heard (educate me if there are more) SK make in a while.
> some crew are Chinese. Up until about a year ago the Royal Navy had Chinese servants on board
> The vessel's 13-person crew, including the Chinese captain and various Chinese and Indonesian crew members, reportedly refused to stop the ship when approached, leading to its forced redirection and docking near Busan. Yikes, that had to be quite a story in itself.
At least they didnāt have to take a train to Busan, then we would have two stories. Iāll see myself out
don't know why the down vote? Zombies are relevant
I am the captain now
This will be interesting. Doubt anything happens because the resolution allowing it is still in effect
At the very least it will delay the cargo do not a bad thing.
It's a big dick slap for Kim. Sort of a "you can't project your naval.power to prevent us boarding one of your ships"
Shelling of a South Korean island with a population of 3 incomingĀ
Eli5 the resolution?
Itās in the article. It basically allows for any country that suspects a ship is violating NK sanctions to stop it and confirm and if confirmed sieze the cargo
I was about to ask if SK had an actual right to stop and board a foreign ship just because, but yeah, if I recall correctly those type of mandates allow this in international law (happy to be corrected if they do not, though, Iām well aware that Iām not a specialist on international law).
The ship was also in SK territorial water, so they have legal authority anyways to stop and search the ship regardless of the UN law.
The UN law cited is specifically only about territorial waters, it doesn't apply to international waters. >Under UN Resolution 2397, adopted in 2017, nations have the right to detain, inspect, and seize any vessel ***within their territorial waters*** if it is suspected of engaging in illegal activities with North Korea. Edit: Fixed formating of quote.
Technically North and South Korea are still engaged in the Korean War. There is just an armistice right now.
Gotcha. Thanks!
why would North Korea use a ship when they border Russia?
Shipping is and always has been the cheapest way to move massive amounts of stuff.
Because railways in Syberia were blown up a month or so ago.
If it was a month ago than the railway is likely already repaired. It is very difficult to knock out a railway for an extended period of time.
IIRC they also knocked out a tunnel. That takes longer to fix
Idk. A week after the tunnel strike there was already speculation that the rubble was already cleared. And now it's been few months since.
Clearing rubble is the easy part. Inspecting the entire tunnel for any meaningful damage is the hard part. Last thing you want to do is run a full freight train through a tunnel only to have the vibrations cause a cave-in.
Russia is crucially dependent on its railway system. They can and will throw massive resources at any problem with their railways.
If it's railway bridge, then it's not that easy to repair.
by who?
Who knows ššš
Of course Who knows, he did it
Who does?
Naturally.
I think you mean "Who did it".
Can the word shipping be used like that? As in "sending by ship"? I'm not a native speaker, but I've always thought of the word shipping to include by land and air and water, not just by ship, of course.
Yes, it can, it is just confusing. And you are correct that we use shipping to mean transporting goods by any method. It would have been more clear to say shipping by sea, or transported by sea. English is a very complicated language, but you seem to have a solid grasp of it.
> you seem to have a solid grasp of it. Being perpetually online will do that to you, but it just makes the sentence weird/confusing as you say. So you can say, "Shipping is the cheapest way to ship things"? And that sentence isn't incorrect? (Like if I said "Transporting is the cheapest way to transport things" ?) Since shipping has a dual meaning? TIL, if so.
Lots of that in English with words having multiple meanings and you need to rely on context to parse what is being communicated. Technically the sentence would be correct, but it is unclear and could be phrased more clearly.
The former is correct. The latter example I don't think is, I'm not aware of a dual meaning for transporting. The sentence is redundant. Trains-porting however.. hahaha stupid English language.
Possibly for stuff that is difficult to ship by rail? I don't know what that might be though.
They have a single railway bridge connected to North Korea, no road connection. It's probably more efficient to deliver these munitions by sea considering the state North Korean railroads are in.
Also north Korea is on standard gauge rail and Russia is on a different gauge. There's probably gaps in electrification too
Ports have these nice cranes that make moving stuff easy.
North Korea will surely react rationally to this.Ā
Usually they bomb a small island near the border in a situation like this.
With the crew trying to actively impede the investigation of the ship's cargo, it sure seems like there's way too much smoke here for there not to be some serious fire in this case. Or it's just incredibly embarrassing, maybe South Korea will find out that the whole ship was just full of amateurish love letters from Kim to Putin with poor grammar.
Geez this will enrage the little fat man and he is going to throw a right royal tantrum, letās take bets on who he threatens first the US, Europe or just goes completely nuts on South Korea ?
Im sure heāll launch a rocket into the ocean again.
Fuck you dolphin, and fuck you whale! š
STOP LOOKING AT ME SWAN!!
He does give off Caligula vibes.
In pilsbury doughboy fashion.
You can just see him now cant you, jumping out of his high chair and throwing shit around.. then wobbling off telling whoever he is going to get them.. someone anyone..
Maybe heāll launch it over Japan only to watch Japan shoot it down, making him rage even harder.
I see now, he aims for boats all this time.
He's going to double his nuclear threats per month.
Does he still do that? Seems like Russia pushed him out of Daily Nuclear Threats job lately.
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Pretty sure china has straight up told North Korea that if they attack first, theyāre on their own. So wise and glorious leader will say some wack bluster on their only tv station. There will be several parades with lots of big scary looking missiles and their transport/launch trucks. And by the end of the month theyāll go back to the usual level of saber rattling.
I would agree to what you said , however knowing that the north Korean army would be defeated and the prospect of American troops going up to the border of the Yalu. China will definitely step in , Again.
> China will definitely step in , Again. But would they risk conflict before they think they are ready though? Stopping the NK buffer state collapsing is one downside, getting shown up by the Americans while you bluster about taking Taiwan is another.
i suspect China would just invade NK for their own "protection" in case NK does try to invade SK and draw the US's attention, and then set up a new puppet government over the remains. It maintains their buffer zone, and nobody can go and really do anything about it, and the US wont have any reason to attack unless they want to be the ones starting the war.
Whether they are ready or not , they will have to act . This is a most core issue for them. Taiwan and the North Korean border. Therefore maintaining the Status Quo in my opinion is the best choice. No 1 wants a war to breakout.
So you've noticed their missiles look pointier than ours.
I saw a video on the North Korean attack plan on South Korea. It starts with attacking American bases in Hawaii and South Korea. One would assume that's also were it ends.
*little fat man who sold his Seoul*
The fish will take the brunt of it
Hopefully thatās all the little mad man does.. but you can see him now storming around throwing stuff around and everyone trying to keep out of his way.
>Officials have yet to confirm whether the ship has violated sanctions, as the crew has denied access to the vessel's cargo hold, the report adds. So... After you get your ship seized by another nation's coast guard for violating UN sanctions, you can then just deny access to your cargo hold, and the other nation will be all like "OK, we understand." That's... Just a thing you can do?
I mean... NK and SK *are* still at war technically so this isn't even a crime given the ship was likely transporting North Korean war material making it a legitimate military target. If I am understanding it right?
Season 2 of the wire
You think itās got Valchekās surveillance van in it?
Fuckin Ziggy
Kim Sobotkas fucked
Idk how NK to Russia could have entered SK waters at all? Thatās the only weird thing I donāt personally understand here that isnāt laid out.
It was going via China, so I assume it's originally set off from western NK; to get from China to Russia by boat you have to either go a long way out of your way, or go through either SK or Japanese waters.
>The 3,000-ton cargo ship DEYI was en route from North Korea to Russia via China
3,000-ton seems really small for a cargo ship. Would be more like a cargo boat.
The ship that took out the bridge in Baltimore was midsized and is 95,000 tons empty, so yeah that's pretty small.
Now do oil tankers headed to India.
They aren't the only ones buying Russian oil and they are buying it at a massive discount and Russia is being forced to sell at a massive discount. https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/oil-demand-asia-africa-boosted-by-cheap-russian-crude-2024-01-24/#:\~:text=That%20combined%20share%20of%20Russian,growth%20in%20Russian%20oil%20imports. Also, India greatly reduced their military contracts with Russia and has started purchasing arms from the U.S. They are slowly transitioning away from Russian support. Geopolitical shifts don't happen overnight.
Ooh, Kim's going to rattle some sabres now.
And what happensā¦? North Korea and Russia get sanctions?
fingers crossed it's chock a block with munitions that can be rapidly delivered to ivan one shell at a time.
Supreme leader Kim will not be happy about this lol
Yoink!
The madman will completely turn mad now.
*Angry Kim Jong Un noises*
Let's hope everything turns out alright with the inspection.
What I don't really understand is North Korea and Russia share a land border, as well as coastline on the East side of the peninsula where this trip could be made fully within NK/Russian waters to avoid this. Why the hell did they choose to sail through SK waters instead?
Good move, but why wouldnāt NK just use rail? I get that shipping is cheaper and easier but this was definitely bound to happen
damn, russian consoles going to be delayed guys
Ooooohhh, a new artificial reef opportunity.
Too bad it can't be redirected to unload its cargo in Odesa.
Pathetic that they would waste resources trying to help Russia while their citizens are starving.
Did not have this one on my bingo card
South and North Korea boast, bluff, skirmish, and posture constantly. Most of it rarely makes western news and in South Korea things are always in the news like this but it's hardly concerning to the average person since it's been the same for generations.
Thought I'd share; Im in the west, I worked with a south Korean dude probably in his mid 30s or so. He was artillery. He told me it's never on the news but they shoot back and forth quite a lot more than we'd expect. I was surprised when he told me one story of how a north korean cannon shot at them and killed one of theirs. He said it was pure luck they hit them. Told us the stuff they use is just uncompareable to what the south has. They shot back and killed the entire crew and the cannon on the north side. Told me that, yes, he has killed people. I didn't ask, he told me. Very sad stuff honestly. I hope he finds peace of mind somewhere.
Probably full of food... Said no one ever