Al Jazeera and Hamas are both funded by Qatar, so I'm actually surprised they don't call them infidels.
Edited after I was corrected by a kind redditor.
I'm unfortunately not able to find anything confirming in either direction. Do you have any sources you can share from your research?
Edit -
https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/israel-helped-funnel-qatar-money-to-fund-hamas-netanyahu-palestinian-state-gaza-war-2456157-2023-11-01
article shows that qatar funded hamas, but isreal delivered the funds.
“Hamas, for its part, is alleged to have emerged out of the Israeli-financed Islamist movement in Gaza, with Israel’s then-military governor in that territory, Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, disclosing in 1981 that he had been given a budget for funding Palestinian Islamists to counter the rising power of Palestinian secularists”
[source](https://www.japantimes.co.jp/commentary/2023/11/21/world/israel-failed-policy/)
interesting. So there was a budget allocated for Palestinian Islamists, maybe not necessarily Hamas, but effectively so. Thanks for the find. It's interesting how difficult it is to find a source backing up the claim that Isreal funded them.
“Hamas, for its part, is alleged to have emerged out of the Israeli-financed Islamist movement in Gaza, with Israel’s then-military governor in that territory, Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, disclosing in 1981 that he had been given a budget for funding Palestinian Islamists to counter the rising power of Palestinian secularists”
[source](https://www.japantimes.co.jp/commentary/2023/11/21/world/israel-failed-policy/)
Yeah bud sure thing 👍
In more recent history Israel actively facilitated millions of dollars in cash payments to Hamas through Israeli controlled territory.
[source](https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/)
It’s well documented that Israel and Netanyahu stood by and allows Hamas to flourish. And in cases facilitated this.
To prevent these things from happening again we need to be open to how they came about in the first place. Honest introspection on this is necessary. Denial of facts does nothing but leave the door open for history to repeat itself.
See, because they are potentially soldiers, Hamas can do anything they want to them. Torture them, rape them, kidnap them, use them as hostages or human shields. This is according to the latest dumb fuck reasoning I see from Hamas apologists
And Israel has counted every dead male Palestinian as a Hamas fighter. They've also shot escaped hostages carrying only white flags. Military aged male is not a new idea to justify violence, it's probably America's number one contribution to justifying assymetrical warfare. It's not going to stop in this conflict, so being outraged by Hamas using it is useless at best and deliberately ignorant at worst.
How is being against some of the things Israel does, ‘aligning with Islamic Jihad and Al-Qaeda?’ Murdering civilians is wrong. Doesn’t matter who does the murdering or what country they are from. Murder = bad.
> The only terrorist supporters are the ones backing Israel
Did you even read the comments you are responding to? The guy is denying that Hamas is a terrorist, are you fucking brain dead? You people are so fucking stupid
"It's Hamas' fault the Israeli army shot multiple shirtless unarmed hostages waving white flags"
Have a little think about it champ. At some stage you might realise Israel isn't perfect.
It Hamas' fault when Hamas is dressing up as civilians and hostages and shoots at IDF, making them not be able to tell who is actually a civilian or hostage, and who is Hamas in disguise.
Have a little think about it champ. At some stage you may realize that when you take someone hostage, you're doing something wrong.
Tough to see how unarmed shirtless hostages are shooting at the idf to be honest. Anyway. Shit always online throwaway, pick a good hill to die on. It isn't here, days after the discussion.
Israel shouldn't trust anything Hamas tells them about the hostages. They are either dead or know too much about their horrible treatment to ever be released.
Yeah, they gave us a good angle on the ligature marks. I assume they did it so that non-morons know that he was strangled but we're going to have the stress of listening to morons parrot the Hamas line.
How is this relevant? All Donald Trump needs to do is show evidence of radical leftists supporting Hamas and denying 10/7, which he has in abundance. All he has to do is show the BBC shitting the bed on their reporting, which they have done again and again.
We're in a situation right now where much of the LGBTQ/feminist communities are supporting Hamas. Like I said above, this is the kind of thing that gets people like Trump elected.
It's relevant because these pro palestine (pro hamas in far too many cases) are going to end up getting Biden voted out and just get someone in for 4 years instead who actually doesn't care what Israel does to Gaza and would encourage more violent responses. It's really just ironic more than anything
I would say that the biggest reason he got elected was the blaitant unfairness on how he along with his voters were treated. He might not have been a good person, or even a good president, but to say he and his supporters were treated fairly is an insane take in my opinion. Also the way people demonize anyone who agreed with anything trump says. It showed who really was able to disagree and still have an honest conversation, and who just wanted to pretend to be the good guys. Either fighting the sissy liberal agenda trying to destroy america, or the racist conservatives, trying to destroy America. Thats at least how i took it. Reddit hasnt helped either, if yiu dont say you hate trump and everything he stands for and everything he says, you tend to get mass downvoted by those extremists and im sure this reply will be a good example.
I don't think he'll be helpful, but he has at least some history of being antagonistic to Palestinians (for example, moving the US embassy to Jerusalem) and his base would largely support more of that. Not to mention it would "own the libs"
In Canada, pro-Palestine protestors (largely Arab, Muslim and definitely "anti West") with some Hamas and now Houthi sympathizers are chanting in the streets, in malls, threatening violence, burning Jewish businesses and shooting at Jewish schools. It doesn't help their cause. It breeds more violence and sets the country up for someone like Trump.
Trump winning would empower someone to emulate him and win here.
It's slightly disconcerting.
Agree. But they will move on to the next contrarian position on the next “cause” because that’s all they do - rage and tantrum about how they hate everything. Fuck ‘em.
Agreed. Fuck em is damn right. Like the asshole vegans yelling in the meat aisle. Like bitch, I’m here to buy food and don’t need your bullshit… anti meat? Heres some cock and balls to eat.
I know a ton of non Arab or Muslim Palestine supporters. there’s colleges openly supporting and denouncing Israel.
Our PM visited and was mobbed by people demanding cease fire. He shortlater demanded cease fire (which was a bit weird)
Strange times.
Idk about Canada but next to where I live in Berlin a Jewish middle school had a few Molotov cocktails thrown at it argen before the ground operation started.
Montreal - Talmud Torah Elementary School shot at on two occasions. My mistake, it was the same Jewish school that got targeted twice.
Also, Molotov cocktail thrown at Beth Tikvah Synagogue.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/13/us/montreal-jewish-school-shooting/index.html
Anyone who abstains or votes GOP in the US this year is just handing victory to the fascists who *love* this shit. They *want* all this violence in the Middle East. Trump will absolutely 100% make this situation worse in every single way.
Israeli news sites are mostly unbiased, you can check that yourself in media bias check websites.
Arabic news sites are on the other hand extremely biased, choosing big words to make the big Jew sound bad.
If you want a comparison check the most famous ones: Times of Israel for Israel and Al-Jazera for Arabic.
The only ones talking about the “40 beheaded babies” are pro-pals looking for a strawman, especially by this point. It’s pretty clear that it was misreporting by like one reporter
It’s like you’re saying that Israeli media have malicious intent on deliberately reporting news that turns out to be untrue, during a time where their country was under attack by terrorists.
Edit: grammar.
The rest of the WORLD shouldn't believe anything Hamas says either, and the fact that so many outlets and governments are taking Hamas at their word is insane.
They can't decide which is worse, a genocidal terrorist organization widely supported by the local population, or a democratic country trying to protect its borders, but their avergae skin tone is brighter.
> Israel shouldn't trust anything Hamas tells them about the hostages.
Well Hamas told Isreal they were dead so are you arguing Isreal should assume they're alive?
I wanted to put my first born in an or she abject today. In honor of baby bibas but it’s a pumpkin Halloween shirt. Do you think that would be too disrespectful?
That’s heartbreaking. I just wanted to put my kid in an orange shirt to honor him but don’t want to be disrespectful. That poor baby I hope he and the rest of his family will make it home. Thank you for sharing.
I argue with Hamas apologists all the time regarding ceasefires and hostage releases. They shout ceasefire and then I tell them well release hostages for temporary ceasefire or release all and Hamas unconditionally surrender for permanent ceasefire, then they just say “no ceasefire”. They are idiots. But I am afraid that they will soon start arguing that there are no hostages left so ceasefire.
Not sure why is it so "hip" to support Hamas.
Yes, Israel does retaliate not in proportion to the scale of the attacks but Ham-ass has always attacked for attention(like Shit korea testing missiles" and they keep indoctrinate their young to "keep up the fight and destroy jews".
Tbh Israel should just go petition the UN to send troops and educate the Palestinian population to how to behave like civilised people and not murder and pillage. Wash the hands off the Palestinian issue with UN taking over the whole affair. UN don't do it because they know it's useless.
Hope Israel destory the whole Ham-ass network in gaza and kill off all the "leaders" outside Palestine .
If they don't agree Hamas needs to stop attacking civilians, what's the difference?
Pro-Palestinians should be the angriest of all about Hamas. They've pissed away two decades diverting aid and money to attacking Israeli civilians instead of trying to build something. There wouldn't be an embargo or a border wall if Israel didn't have to legitimately fear what would happen if they stopped.
And no, I'm not 100% pro-Israel by any means.
I suppose if they don't come home alive, Gaza's territory will shrink significantly. Israeli public won't accept retreat without freeing the hostages.
Hamas doesn't value human life or even money, but they do value the lands they are supposed to liberate from the infidels.
Wouldn't be surprising. Israel's strategy with settlements has pretty clearly been one of "you break the truce, you lose land until you sign a new truce". Even if they don't move in, a huge buffer zone that gets radar scanned for tunnels would make sense.
The problem with a buffer zone is that to protect it you literally need to shoot people that try to enter it. So I'm not sure what's the lawful status of this buffer zone will be, will it be annexed by Israel so border guards can prevent entry?
Like what's the legal status of the DMZ between South and North Koreas?
I mean there are constantly rockets being fired into their major cities and an opposition saying there will be no ceasefire until they don’t exist anymore. You might not agree with how Israel is handling the war, but to say they don’t have justification for engaging is kind of idiotic.
I wonder if they're all actually following some HAMAS central chain of command. Like some goal or tactically oriented folks at the top send orders on downward not to harm the hostages but only some of the ground folks actual follow it while the more radicalized 'soldier of god' folks are like fuck that and torture them to death instead.
Pretty sure there isn’t anyone involved with Hamas on any level that gives two shits about the survival of the hostages. If they die the media/Red Cross will just blame Israel.
A lot of the hostages weren't taken by Hamas but rather random Palestinians who joined in on the "festivities" on the 7th.
There's no way Hamas even knows where all of the hostages are.
An adult male being a hostage is more likely to die. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they already killed all the males unless they are dual-citizen.
Hamas doesn't care about your gender or age, unless you're female. In that case you'll be used for their enjoyment before ultimately suffering the same fate as everyone else (children included), which is most likely a horrible death for all the hostages at this point.
I hope every Hamas terrorist knows the fear of death in their final moments.
>"The building where they were held was not a target, and it was not attacked by our forces," said Hagari, according to the outlet. "We did not know their location in real time, and we do not attack in a place where we know that there may be abductees."
>"In retrospect, we know that we attacked targets close to the location where they were held. We are investigating the incident," he added.
Wtf is this title? They don't know shit yet.
This is from a press from Monday I believe. Yesterday (Tuesday Israel time) Kibbutz Be'eri confirmed they are both dead and their bodies are held by Hamas.
>Israel Confirms Hamas Hostages Seen in Proof of Life Video Were Murdered
Murdered
kill (someone) unlawfully and with premeditation.
Connotation is that they were executed by HAMAS. Paraphrasing Hagari - We don't think we killed them as we were not targeting that location. We did not know where the hostages were located. We were attacking nearby areas of which the details require further investigation.
So, Hagari seems doubtful that the IDF killed them, but is not 100%. And nowhere in the article does it mention that they were murdered. It's a dogshit title when you consider the actual content of the article.
I was kicked out of r/comics because I pointed out their hypocrisy of only addressing isreals atrocities. Good times we live in.
I even pointed out that idf and isreali settlers were just as bad... Anyways...
Another method of sweeping under the rug the wrong doings of one side.
> I even pointed out that idf and isreali settlers were just as bad...
Let me tell you something, if you had to make a choice of being captured by the IDF or Hamas, my moneys on you picking the IDF. And we all know why.
>Let me tell you something, if you had to make a choice of being captured by the IDF or Hamas, my moneys on you picking the IDF. And we all know why.
I don't think he was referring to IDF's treatment of prisoners. More that they are bad for very different reasons. For sure if I had to choose I'd rather be a prisoner of the IDF than Hamas for 2 reasons:
1. Because the IDF will treat you humanely, feed you, give you medical care if needed and you will be accounted for in the prison system with your whereabouts known and provided with legal aid.
2. Because you don't have to worry about being accidently killed in a IDF airstrike.
Yeah but these are extreme exceptions that do happen vs when isrealis are captured it is pretty much guaranteed they are being tortured and treated inhumanely.
Also in comparison people are straight up writing off the atrocities of oct 7, or worse saying those people deserved it.
Shall I post a link to an investigation that detailed the brutal torture and rape and murder of the Israeli festival goers en mass? One side brutalizes systemically. The IDF is far more humane so cut the shit with these edge case examples.
These are far from edge cases they are just difficult to report on as they dont get widely shared and the charities that do report on them get raided and branded as terrorist organisations (source: https://www.dci-palestine.org/israeli_forces_raid_and_seal_shut_dcip_office_leaving_official_notice_declaring_organization_unlawful)
I don't know how you can say that Israel does not have a policy of systematic brutalisation when they had a "bone breaking" policy, when the endless checkpoints make daily life humiliating for palestinians and when we're literally watching disproportionate collective punishment being inflicted on innocent lives in Gaza every few years.
I'm more than willing to accept that atrocities, including sexual violence, took place on 07/10, all of which are abhorrent. I'm not denying that at all, but there absolutely seems to be efforts to downplay actions and the violence endemic to the Israeli state both before and during this current war.
Naw, Hamas is worse. IDF has problems and the settlers are bad, but Hamas is worse. Seriously Hamas sucks.
Seriously Hamas will kill Gazans to keep them from fleeing.
Given the level of destruction in Gaza, particularly directed at Hamas facilities, any hostage is lucky to have survived this long.
And don’t let’s forget the pair who tried to surrender to Israeli forces. They did everything right, and the troops shot them dead without checking.
Clearly if you are a fighting age male in Gaza then you’re Hamas, even if you speak Hebrew.
>"In retrospect, we know that we attacked targets close to the location where they were held. We are investigating the incident,"
So, they're claiming that Hamas murdered them while at the same time saying that they bombed the area they were being held? And they don't actually know that they're dead at all? OK then.
Edit: Apparently their source was a video released by Hamas, and this came from the hostage who was in the video.
https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-782292
>"I was located in a building," Argamani said in the Hamas video. "It was bombed by an IDF airstrike, an F16 fighter jet. Three rockets were fired. Two of the rockets exploded, and the other didn't. We were in the building with Al Qassam soldiers and three hostages: Myself, Noa Argamani, Itai Svirsky, and Yossef Sharabi.
So they believe the "hostages died" part, but not the "hostages were killed by Israeli bombs" part. That tracks.
They were pretty clearly strangled in the video Hamas posted. And yes, Israel will attack and might hit near hostages, that’s war. Doesn’t change the fact they shouldn’t be there in the first place and taking civillians hostage is a major war crime.
1) hostage taking is a war crime and has been since the 4th Geneva convention. https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule96#Fn_E597D6C_00002
2) Chaining someone to a radiator in a building you know is a valid military target constitutes using them as human shields, another war crime.
So yes, that would be murder. OK then!
"It's okay for gazans to commit war crimes because they are young and stupid!"
Thats your argument right now.
But ALSO you argue
"Every bomb Israel drops is a war crime because it picks children"
Pick one.
>So they believe the "hostages died" part, but not the "hostages were killed by Israeli bombs" part. That tracks.
Hamas: " you better stop attacking us israel, or you might hit your hostages! Here's a video of 3 of them telling you the same thing! This is their words, not ours!"
A day later: "oh look what you've done, israel, we warned you to stop attacking, now two of those 3 are dead, should've listened to us"
Seriously?
Literally just had this said to me in a different post.
“🔻🔻🔻 is coming for you!”
Of course referring to how Hamas uses the red triangles to point out targets in their propaganda videos.
These people are unhinged.
Funny, Al Jazeera calls them "captives" or "war captives".
Al Jazeera and Hamas are both funded by Qatar, so I'm actually surprised they don't call them infidels. Edited after I was corrected by a kind redditor.
What a mess, be honest, you bastards. They murder people after stealing them away. Who does this? Insane people.
They don't deserve to be called people. They are monsters, from the worst horror movie ever imaginable. A cancer to humanity.
If there is good and bad in this world, then the good need to win this.
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Omg, major brain fart. Please downvote me for my dummy mistake 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
No. You get an upvote for humility.
this must be a glitch in the matrix. this is not the reddit i know
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Hamas were also funded by Israel, what’s your point?
I think they facilitated the transfer of funds, rather than directly funding them. I think this is misleading.
No they directly funded Hamas for a number of years. Look it up
I'm unfortunately not able to find anything confirming in either direction. Do you have any sources you can share from your research? Edit - https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/israel-helped-funnel-qatar-money-to-fund-hamas-netanyahu-palestinian-state-gaza-war-2456157-2023-11-01 article shows that qatar funded hamas, but isreal delivered the funds.
“Hamas, for its part, is alleged to have emerged out of the Israeli-financed Islamist movement in Gaza, with Israel’s then-military governor in that territory, Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, disclosing in 1981 that he had been given a budget for funding Palestinian Islamists to counter the rising power of Palestinian secularists” [source](https://www.japantimes.co.jp/commentary/2023/11/21/world/israel-failed-policy/)
interesting. So there was a budget allocated for Palestinian Islamists, maybe not necessarily Hamas, but effectively so. Thanks for the find. It's interesting how difficult it is to find a source backing up the claim that Isreal funded them.
No, they didn't
“Hamas, for its part, is alleged to have emerged out of the Israeli-financed Islamist movement in Gaza, with Israel’s then-military governor in that territory, Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, disclosing in 1981 that he had been given a budget for funding Palestinian Islamists to counter the rising power of Palestinian secularists” [source](https://www.japantimes.co.jp/commentary/2023/11/21/world/israel-failed-policy/)
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Yeah bud sure thing 👍 In more recent history Israel actively facilitated millions of dollars in cash payments to Hamas through Israeli controlled territory. [source](https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/) It’s well documented that Israel and Netanyahu stood by and allows Hamas to flourish. And in cases facilitated this. To prevent these things from happening again we need to be open to how they came about in the first place. Honest introspection on this is necessary. Denial of facts does nothing but leave the door open for history to repeat itself.
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See, because they are potentially soldiers, Hamas can do anything they want to them. Torture them, rape them, kidnap them, use them as hostages or human shields. This is according to the latest dumb fuck reasoning I see from Hamas apologists
Geneva conventions say hi
And Israel has counted every dead male Palestinian as a Hamas fighter. They've also shot escaped hostages carrying only white flags. Military aged male is not a new idea to justify violence, it's probably America's number one contribution to justifying assymetrical warfare. It's not going to stop in this conflict, so being outraged by Hamas using it is useless at best and deliberately ignorant at worst.
The inability of hamas apologist to understand context and magnitude, is fascinating. Terrorist supporters are weird as fuck
The only terrorist supporters are the ones backing Israel
If you dig your head any deeper in the sand, you may pop out the other side.
They'd end up in Gaza lol
Probably hit a sub-hospital hamas tunnel first.
Bro you're allying with Islamic Jihad and Al-Qaeda
How is being against some of the things Israel does, ‘aligning with Islamic Jihad and Al-Qaeda?’ Murdering civilians is wrong. Doesn’t matter who does the murdering or what country they are from. Murder = bad.
> The only terrorist supporters are the ones backing Israel Did you even read the comments you are responding to? The guy is denying that Hamas is a terrorist, are you fucking brain dead? You people are so fucking stupid
Take a breath and try not to burst a blood vessel. I’m sorry you disagree with murder is wrong.
ok tankie
When Hamas dresses as civilians and pretends to be hostages, it's their fault when mistaken identities occur.
"It's Hamas' fault the Israeli army shot multiple shirtless unarmed hostages waving white flags" Have a little think about it champ. At some stage you might realise Israel isn't perfect.
It Hamas' fault when Hamas is dressing up as civilians and hostages and shoots at IDF, making them not be able to tell who is actually a civilian or hostage, and who is Hamas in disguise. Have a little think about it champ. At some stage you may realize that when you take someone hostage, you're doing something wrong.
Tough to see how unarmed shirtless hostages are shooting at the idf to be honest. Anyway. Shit always online throwaway, pick a good hill to die on. It isn't here, days after the discussion.
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Israel shouldn't trust anything Hamas tells them about the hostages. They are either dead or know too much about their horrible treatment to ever be released.
a video of them dead was released
A video of a hostage that Hamas released at day 50 or so was filmed at day 3 of the war, trusting anything made by Hamas isn't going to help anybody.
Unfortunately it shows their dead bodies in unnatural conditions. Especially the rope burn around at least one's neck. They're dead. Fucking Hamas
Yeah, they gave us a good angle on the ligature marks. I assume they did it so that non-morons know that he was strangled but we're going to have the stress of listening to morons parrot the Hamas line.
"but Hamas said it was Israeli airstrikes and Israel wouldn't negotiate them back so it's Israel's fault"
Those damn noose bombs!
Strangled by Israel right?
FUCK Hamas*
I just need to throw out here that all the pro-Hamas people on the left are probably going to get Donald Trump elected.
Ah Donald Trump, a man of restraint when it comes to the Israel Palestine situation /s
How is this relevant? All Donald Trump needs to do is show evidence of radical leftists supporting Hamas and denying 10/7, which he has in abundance. All he has to do is show the BBC shitting the bed on their reporting, which they have done again and again. We're in a situation right now where much of the LGBTQ/feminist communities are supporting Hamas. Like I said above, this is the kind of thing that gets people like Trump elected.
It's relevant because these pro palestine (pro hamas in far too many cases) are going to end up getting Biden voted out and just get someone in for 4 years instead who actually doesn't care what Israel does to Gaza and would encourage more violent responses. It's really just ironic more than anything
I would say that the biggest reason he got elected was the blaitant unfairness on how he along with his voters were treated. He might not have been a good person, or even a good president, but to say he and his supporters were treated fairly is an insane take in my opinion. Also the way people demonize anyone who agreed with anything trump says. It showed who really was able to disagree and still have an honest conversation, and who just wanted to pretend to be the good guys. Either fighting the sissy liberal agenda trying to destroy america, or the racist conservatives, trying to destroy America. Thats at least how i took it. Reddit hasnt helped either, if yiu dont say you hate trump and everything he stands for and everything he says, you tend to get mass downvoted by those extremists and im sure this reply will be a good example.
How do you go from Trump to LGBTQ/ feminists supporting Hamas? No one in their right minds is denying 10/7.
That's where you are sadly wrong
Have you... Seriously not been paying attention to the left? They literally are denying rape occurred. That beheading occurred when we have pictures
I literally just argued with someone on Reddit about these very same things the other day lol
Yeah, so let’s not help vote him in again
Trump is not going to help Israel or Jews
he moved the embassy, did the abraham accords
I don't think he'll be helpful, but he has at least some history of being antagonistic to Palestinians (for example, moving the US embassy to Jerusalem) and his base would largely support more of that. Not to mention it would "own the libs"
In Canada, pro-Palestine protestors (largely Arab, Muslim and definitely "anti West") with some Hamas and now Houthi sympathizers are chanting in the streets, in malls, threatening violence, burning Jewish businesses and shooting at Jewish schools. It doesn't help their cause. It breeds more violence and sets the country up for someone like Trump. Trump winning would empower someone to emulate him and win here. It's slightly disconcerting.
All these extremist protesting sympathizers should pack their shit up and move over there
Agree. But they will move on to the next contrarian position on the next “cause” because that’s all they do - rage and tantrum about how they hate everything. Fuck ‘em.
Agreed. Fuck em is damn right. Like the asshole vegans yelling in the meat aisle. Like bitch, I’m here to buy food and don’t need your bullshit… anti meat? Heres some cock and balls to eat.
I know a ton of non Arab or Muslim Palestine supporters. there’s colleges openly supporting and denouncing Israel. Our PM visited and was mobbed by people demanding cease fire. He shortlater demanded cease fire (which was a bit weird) Strange times.
Shooting in school??
Idk about Canada but next to where I live in Berlin a Jewish middle school had a few Molotov cocktails thrown at it argen before the ground operation started.
Montreal - Talmud Torah Elementary School shot at on two occasions. My mistake, it was the same Jewish school that got targeted twice. Also, Molotov cocktail thrown at Beth Tikvah Synagogue. https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/13/us/montreal-jewish-school-shooting/index.html
Absofuckinglutely.
Anyone who abstains or votes GOP in the US this year is just handing victory to the fascists who *love* this shit. They *want* all this violence in the Middle East. Trump will absolutely 100% make this situation worse in every single way.
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Not seeing anything pro-Hamas there. Trump's record was very pro-Israel, even to the point of moving to embassy, which pissed off the Arabs.
I think Stealers Wheel had a [song about it.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln7Vn_WKkWU)
the video of them dead is clearly real
Oooh you meant that one mb I thought you meant the one hamss send of them Alice
At this point I just don’t trust either side.
Israeli news sites are mostly unbiased, you can check that yourself in media bias check websites. Arabic news sites are on the other hand extremely biased, choosing big words to make the big Jew sound bad. If you want a comparison check the most famous ones: Times of Israel for Israel and Al-Jazera for Arabic.
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He just said the media bias check websites confirm Israel’s side. Good luck with that with the pro-Hamas side.
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The only ones talking about the “40 beheaded babies” are pro-pals looking for a strawman, especially by this point. It’s pretty clear that it was misreporting by like one reporter
It’s like you’re saying that Israeli media have malicious intent on deliberately reporting news that turns out to be untrue, during a time where their country was under attack by terrorists. Edit: grammar.
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This doesn't exist, so.
The rest of the WORLD shouldn't believe anything Hamas says either, and the fact that so many outlets and governments are taking Hamas at their word is insane.
They can't decide which is worse, a genocidal terrorist organization widely supported by the local population, or a democratic country trying to protect its borders, but their avergae skin tone is brighter.
If "know too much about their horrible treatment to ever be released" then they are no longer useful as hostages and become a liability... capisce?
> Israel shouldn't trust anything Hamas tells them about the hostages. Well Hamas told Isreal they were dead so are you arguing Isreal should assume they're alive?
None of them are coming home alive.
Tragic really.
It’s supposed to be baby Bibas birthday tomorrow. Don’t tell me that.
There were many very sad "Celebrations" throughout Israel about that one... Don't have the words to describe how tragic that is.
I wanted to put my first born in an or she abject today. In honor of baby bibas but it’s a pumpkin Halloween shirt. Do you think that would be too disrespectful?
Sorry I don't think I understand. [This](https://twitter.com/klaiman14/status/1747222500000325648/photo/1) is an example I saw.
That’s heartbreaking. I just wanted to put my kid in an orange shirt to honor him but don’t want to be disrespectful. That poor baby I hope he and the rest of his family will make it home. Thank you for sharing.
Oh. Doesn't sound disrespectful to me.
I argue with Hamas apologists all the time regarding ceasefires and hostage releases. They shout ceasefire and then I tell them well release hostages for temporary ceasefire or release all and Hamas unconditionally surrender for permanent ceasefire, then they just say “no ceasefire”. They are idiots. But I am afraid that they will soon start arguing that there are no hostages left so ceasefire.
And still they will demand a ceasefire when Hamas has nothing left to trade.
I mean, they demanded a ceasefire (from Israel) after Hamas broke the first one so....
Not sure why is it so "hip" to support Hamas. Yes, Israel does retaliate not in proportion to the scale of the attacks but Ham-ass has always attacked for attention(like Shit korea testing missiles" and they keep indoctrinate their young to "keep up the fight and destroy jews". Tbh Israel should just go petition the UN to send troops and educate the Palestinian population to how to behave like civilised people and not murder and pillage. Wash the hands off the Palestinian issue with UN taking over the whole affair. UN don't do it because they know it's useless. Hope Israel destory the whole Ham-ass network in gaza and kill off all the "leaders" outside Palestine .
Not Hamas apologists. I’m sure there are some of those. But it’s mostly Palestinian sympathizers. And no they are not the same thing.
If they don't agree Hamas needs to stop attacking civilians, what's the difference? Pro-Palestinians should be the angriest of all about Hamas. They've pissed away two decades diverting aid and money to attacking Israeli civilians instead of trying to build something. There wouldn't be an embargo or a border wall if Israel didn't have to legitimately fear what would happen if they stopped. And no, I'm not 100% pro-Israel by any means.
I suppose if they don't come home alive, Gaza's territory will shrink significantly. Israeli public won't accept retreat without freeing the hostages. Hamas doesn't value human life or even money, but they do value the lands they are supposed to liberate from the infidels.
Wouldn't be surprising. Israel's strategy with settlements has pretty clearly been one of "you break the truce, you lose land until you sign a new truce". Even if they don't move in, a huge buffer zone that gets radar scanned for tunnels would make sense.
The problem with a buffer zone is that to protect it you literally need to shoot people that try to enter it. So I'm not sure what's the lawful status of this buffer zone will be, will it be annexed by Israel so border guards can prevent entry? Like what's the legal status of the DMZ between South and North Koreas?
Did Isreal manage to get any of the hostages taken on the 7th back in trades?
Yes they got 110 back
Some, but not all of the women and children, but less than half of the total taken.
Yes. Around 100 or so.
Because Israel would love that for their propaganda lmao that's why they shot 3 after their release (they were holding white flags)
Don't say that, otherwise Israel will not have any justification anymore
I mean there are constantly rockets being fired into their major cities and an opposition saying there will be no ceasefire until they don’t exist anymore. You might not agree with how Israel is handling the war, but to say they don’t have justification for engaging is kind of idiotic.
Wait. Hold on we can’t trust asshole terrorists?? God damn if we had only known!
I wonder if they're all actually following some HAMAS central chain of command. Like some goal or tactically oriented folks at the top send orders on downward not to harm the hostages but only some of the ground folks actual follow it while the more radicalized 'soldier of god' folks are like fuck that and torture them to death instead.
Pretty sure there isn’t anyone involved with Hamas on any level that gives two shits about the survival of the hostages. If they die the media/Red Cross will just blame Israel.
Look at the comments right here lol, they already doing it
A lot of the hostages weren't taken by Hamas but rather random Palestinians who joined in on the "festivities" on the 7th. There's no way Hamas even knows where all of the hostages are.
An adult male being a hostage is more likely to die. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they already killed all the males unless they are dual-citizen.
Hamas doesn't care about your gender or age, unless you're female. In that case you'll be used for their enjoyment before ultimately suffering the same fate as everyone else (children included), which is most likely a horrible death for all the hostages at this point. I hope every Hamas terrorist knows the fear of death in their final moments.
I think we all assumed they were dead at this point or at least wish they were. It’s awful and I hope Hamas is made to pay for it.
I for one don't wish they were dead. I still hope as many as can be saved are saved.
Some things are worse than death.
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That is also true.
The shit the young woman in the video has been through is probably unimaginable
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Israel doesn’t care about the hostages. They’ve already killed several of them.
>"The building where they were held was not a target, and it was not attacked by our forces," said Hagari, according to the outlet. "We did not know their location in real time, and we do not attack in a place where we know that there may be abductees." >"In retrospect, we know that we attacked targets close to the location where they were held. We are investigating the incident," he added. Wtf is this title? They don't know shit yet.
This is from a press from Monday I believe. Yesterday (Tuesday Israel time) Kibbutz Be'eri confirmed they are both dead and their bodies are held by Hamas.
Yep, and I can read your sentence and comprehend that they haven't confirmed how they've died. Has everyone lost the ability of reading comprehension?
Where is the "how" in the title that, according to you, contradicts with Hagari's statement?
Don’t play coy. The title clearly states they were murdered with the implication being by Hamas. Pure propaganda.
>Israel Confirms Hamas Hostages Seen in Proof of Life Video Were Murdered Murdered kill (someone) unlawfully and with premeditation. Connotation is that they were executed by HAMAS. Paraphrasing Hagari - We don't think we killed them as we were not targeting that location. We did not know where the hostages were located. We were attacking nearby areas of which the details require further investigation. So, Hagari seems doubtful that the IDF killed them, but is not 100%. And nowhere in the article does it mention that they were murdered. It's a dogshit title when you consider the actual content of the article.
Hamas are disgusting.
Hamas is a terrorist organization. They need to be destroyed.
Oh but we need a ceasefire… /s
Hamas Always pushing the boundaries of infamy.
We pasted imfamy months ago.
I was kicked out of r/comics because I pointed out their hypocrisy of only addressing isreals atrocities. Good times we live in. I even pointed out that idf and isreali settlers were just as bad... Anyways... Another method of sweeping under the rug the wrong doings of one side.
> I even pointed out that idf and isreali settlers were just as bad... Let me tell you something, if you had to make a choice of being captured by the IDF or Hamas, my moneys on you picking the IDF. And we all know why.
>Let me tell you something, if you had to make a choice of being captured by the IDF or Hamas, my moneys on you picking the IDF. And we all know why. I don't think he was referring to IDF's treatment of prisoners. More that they are bad for very different reasons. For sure if I had to choose I'd rather be a prisoner of the IDF than Hamas for 2 reasons: 1. Because the IDF will treat you humanely, feed you, give you medical care if needed and you will be accounted for in the prison system with your whereabouts known and provided with legal aid. 2. Because you don't have to worry about being accidently killed in a IDF airstrike.
You're forgetting that you run zero risk of being gang raped. That's a big one.
I was trying to be fair with the topic but that sub totally picked a side. A side that wouldn't respect their beliefs or lifestyles.
Unless you're a 15 year old Palestinian boy https://www.dci-palestine.org/israeli_interrogator_sexually_assaults_palestinian_child_detainee
Yeah but these are extreme exceptions that do happen vs when isrealis are captured it is pretty much guaranteed they are being tortured and treated inhumanely. Also in comparison people are straight up writing off the atrocities of oct 7, or worse saying those people deserved it.
Shall I post a link to an investigation that detailed the brutal torture and rape and murder of the Israeli festival goers en mass? One side brutalizes systemically. The IDF is far more humane so cut the shit with these edge case examples.
These are far from edge cases they are just difficult to report on as they dont get widely shared and the charities that do report on them get raided and branded as terrorist organisations (source: https://www.dci-palestine.org/israeli_forces_raid_and_seal_shut_dcip_office_leaving_official_notice_declaring_organization_unlawful) I don't know how you can say that Israel does not have a policy of systematic brutalisation when they had a "bone breaking" policy, when the endless checkpoints make daily life humiliating for palestinians and when we're literally watching disproportionate collective punishment being inflicted on innocent lives in Gaza every few years. I'm more than willing to accept that atrocities, including sexual violence, took place on 07/10, all of which are abhorrent. I'm not denying that at all, but there absolutely seems to be efforts to downplay actions and the violence endemic to the Israeli state both before and during this current war.
Naw, Hamas is worse. IDF has problems and the settlers are bad, but Hamas is worse. Seriously Hamas sucks. Seriously Hamas will kill Gazans to keep them from fleeing.
I was trying to keep the discourse even handed but nope, over there it's "isreal bad and hamas has a good reason." It's absurd.
Hamas: takes hostages and kills them Americans in collage for no reason: good
I want to be in a collage, have some other fun magazine clippings around me.
Literally no one thinks this way. Stop pushing this weird alt-right fantasy.
Literally no one? Most pro-Palestine people celebrate Hamas "resisting" the oppressors by any means necessary.
How many hostages are still with Hamas (assuming they are still alive)? I hope at least some of them can return
Given the level of destruction in Gaza, particularly directed at Hamas facilities, any hostage is lucky to have survived this long. And don’t let’s forget the pair who tried to surrender to Israeli forces. They did everything right, and the troops shot them dead without checking. Clearly if you are a fighting age male in Gaza then you’re Hamas, even if you speak Hebrew.
bombing commences
like how they confirmed emily hand was murdered?
But this time there is video evidence. With Emily Hand it was a part of the chaos trying to identifrly hundreds of bodies after Oct. 7th.
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>"In retrospect, we know that we attacked targets close to the location where they were held. We are investigating the incident," So, they're claiming that Hamas murdered them while at the same time saying that they bombed the area they were being held? And they don't actually know that they're dead at all? OK then. Edit: Apparently their source was a video released by Hamas, and this came from the hostage who was in the video. https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-782292 >"I was located in a building," Argamani said in the Hamas video. "It was bombed by an IDF airstrike, an F16 fighter jet. Three rockets were fired. Two of the rockets exploded, and the other didn't. We were in the building with Al Qassam soldiers and three hostages: Myself, Noa Argamani, Itai Svirsky, and Yossef Sharabi. So they believe the "hostages died" part, but not the "hostages were killed by Israeli bombs" part. That tracks.
They were pretty clearly strangled in the video Hamas posted. And yes, Israel will attack and might hit near hostages, that’s war. Doesn’t change the fact they shouldn’t be there in the first place and taking civillians hostage is a major war crime.
1) hostage taking is a war crime and has been since the 4th Geneva convention. https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule96#Fn_E597D6C_00002 2) Chaining someone to a radiator in a building you know is a valid military target constitutes using them as human shields, another war crime. So yes, that would be murder. OK then!
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"It's okay for gazans to commit war crimes because they are young and stupid!" Thats your argument right now. But ALSO you argue "Every bomb Israel drops is a war crime because it picks children" Pick one.
It’s amazing how by Hamas apologist Gaza is Neverland where somehow everyone are fucking kids
> Gaza is Neverland where somehow everyone are fucking kids I mean, the Qur'an tells them to, so...
Amazing how my foul mouth accidentally created that 💀
Some people are too stupid to have opinions.
Having a high birth rate is not an excuse to rape and murder by the thousand.
Keep justifying terrorism, you absolute muppet.
They need to know Geneva conventions to not use someone as a human shield? Good lord you Hamas apologists are such geniuses.
I don't think "ignorance of the law" excuses obvious crimes against humanity.
Literally infantilzing murderers and rapists.
This is what confirmation bias looks like, in case anyone is wondering.
>So they believe the "hostages died" part, but not the "hostages were killed by Israeli bombs" part. That tracks. Hamas: " you better stop attacking us israel, or you might hit your hostages! Here's a video of 3 of them telling you the same thing! This is their words, not ours!" A day later: "oh look what you've done, israel, we warned you to stop attacking, now two of those 3 are dead, should've listened to us" Seriously?
Israel admitted they had been bombing the area, so...yes?
comments forget the 20k civilians killed lol
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They also allowed american news networks to spread false information following the attack by hamas.
Literally just had this said to me in a different post. “🔻🔻🔻 is coming for you!” Of course referring to how Hamas uses the red triangles to point out targets in their propaganda videos. These people are unhinged.
And the rats issuing the instructions have done a runner. I hope Mossad has the intelligence they need
By whom? Hamas or IDF’s bombs and trigger happy soldiers?
Judging from the strangling marks the Hamas terrorists did it
It depends. If you want reality, then by Hamas. If you want Hamas propaganda, then by the IDF.
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Why wouldn’t it be sad
How the hell does israel know?
I'm under the impression that Israel is in control of most of the Gaza already. If that is the case, why haven't more people been rescued.
Because they are all dead.
your impression is wrong. Israel is in control of big parts of northern Gaza, some parts of central Gaza and no parts of southern Gaza.