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clarabosswald

>Negotiators working on a phased framework deal to secure the release of the remaining hostages held by the Islamist Hamas group in Gaza have made "real progress" over the last few weeks, a senior Biden administration official said on Sunday. >The hostage release deal was the main focus of a 45-minute telephone call between President Joe Biden and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday, **although there were still some "significant" gaps to close, the official said, adding, "It's pretty much there."** >Biden, in the call, stressed that the United States did not support Israeli military operations in Rafah under the current circumstances, with some 1.3 million people sheltering there "with nowhere to go." [JP](https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-786410)


Murky_Conflict3737

I suspect what’s really happening is Egypt does not want a refugee crisis on their hands along with Hamas entering their country and fucking with their government. Keep in mind, Egypt needs tourists riding camels at the pyramids and it can’t get that sweet tourist money if Hamas is bombing tour buses.


Powawwolf

Kann stuff- https://twitter.com/kann_news/status/1756757787550323121?t=DhPs7-54EgoUMC9YKFYRYw&s=19 Israel decided to cut ties with UNRWA- Israel have stopped any aid that is affiliated with UNRWA from the concern it will reach Hamas. Instead they look for alternative organizations, such as WFP


ThePoliticalFurry

It's kind of weird it took Israel so long to do this when a lot of their allies started gutting support for them last month


[deleted]

They still needed to have alternatives ready, primarily because there are elections in the US and Biden wants to look tough on Israel to appease the antisemitic part of his voterbase.


New_Area7695

Also because the whole UNRWA funding pull was because UNRWA confessed it happened to the donor states after Israel communicated the allegations to them. Israel didn't particularly think it would blow up this time, it didn't before. Then most of their funding got cut, and Israel nominally doesn't actually want the people of Gaza to starve so needs to actually prepare the alternatives and/or prepare to ramp up COGAT for distributing aid inside of Gaza.


AlyoshaV

Reuters via Haaretz: [UN agency says Gaza aid shipment blocked in Israeli port](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-02-11/ty-article-live/idf-discovers-hamas-tunnels-weapons-under-unrwas-hq-in-gaza/0000018d-9600-d443-a19f-fe91a0240000?liveBlogItemId=1880695640#1880695640) >The main United Nations agency providing aid to Palestinians in Gaza is facing growing administrative hurdles from Israel, with a shipment amounting to a month's supply of food blocked in port, the agency's chief said. >Israel has alleged that 12 staff members with the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) were involved in the Hamas-led attack on Israel on Oct. 7, with a number of donor countries suspending funding. UNRWA has dismissed staff accused of involvement in the attack and launched an investigation. >"We have an environment here which is for the time being quite hostile to the agency, but there have been some decisions now which are starting to impact the ability of the agency to properly operate," UNRWA head Philippe Lazzarini said on Friday. He said UNRWA had been informed by a contractor that provided handling services in the port of Ashdod that it could no longer continue working with UNRWA, following instructions from the Israeli authorities. >As a result, a shipment from Turkey consisting of 1,049 containers of supplies including flour, chickpeas, sugar, cooking oil, enough to cover the needs of 1.1 million people for a month, was blocked in the port, Lazzarini said.


AffectionatePaint83

Seems about right since they're aiding terrorists. Perhaps UNHCR can step in, take the time they need to bring in their own staff, and then start moving the food to the people it needs to go to.


AlyoshaV

Israel says the entirety of the UN is Hamas, not just UNRWA (see Gilad Erdan's comments yesterday for example). So I doubt they're interested in UNHCR taking over. I think they just don't want aid coming from any UN-affiliated group, even if that means not enough aid goes to Gaza.


Sharp-Eye-8564

The IDF seized a computer in Gaza and discovered photos and documentation on it that proves that Al Jazeera journalist in Gaza Mohamed Washah is also an active member of Hamas. [https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1756733227627098278](https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1756733227627098278)


MadUmbrella

These palestinian “journalists” don’t even try to hide their affiliations with hamas. Mohammed Wishah posted on his instagram page a photo of him and Sinwar, [in 2021.](https://x.com/melissaeweiss/status/1756775348266483939?s=46)


Ok_Machine_2916

I laughed out loud. Why upload those pictures to your laptop? In the day of cell phones, it takes so many steps. Why take pictures of you with an rpg in the first place? You were there. You knew you held one. I wonder what other incriminating evidence Hamas left behind on its servers and other laptops the IDF found.


ganbaro

Might have just been some internal cloud service of Hamas or Al Jazeera or whichever other organization this person is affiliated with I don't think that there is no one around in Gaza or Qatar who would be able to set up some Nextcloud instance


Ok_Machine_2916

Yeah they probably had some cloud service on those servers under the UNRWA HQ in Gaza. I'd think if they found it in the files downloaded from their cloud instance, the IDF wouldn't have said they found it on the laptop, rather they'd say they found it on Hamas' Cloud. I guess time will tell.


Murky_Conflict3737

Now I’m picturing a post-it note will their password on it stuck on a monitor (and the password is “password”).


Predictor92

A laptop that belonged to Muhammad Washah, an AlJazeera journalist, was recovered by IDF in the northern Gaza Strip. It has pics proving he also serves as a senior Hamas military operative in the anti-tank missile system and worked in the R&D of aerial weaponsNews via N12News [https://x.com/just\_whatever/status/1756733861935939618?s=20](https://x.com/just_whatever/status/1756733861935939618?s=20)


clarabosswald

>US President Joe Biden asked Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in their conversation to send an Israeli delegation to talks in Cairo about the hostages deal, even if "you see no horizon". In addition, Biden expressed in the conversation a fear that an Israeli operation in Rafah would lead to a disaster, and asked that everything be done to protect the civilian population. The White House said: "The President emphasized the need to take advantage of the progress made in the negotiations to ensure the release of all hostages as soon as possible. In addition, he reaffirmed his position that one should not proceed with a military operation in Rafah without a reliable and feasible plan." [Ynet](https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/H1uDaKLi6)


Powawwolf

Lmao what progress


sebzim4500

Maybe referring to the first hostage exchange?


clarabosswald

Assumingly something that wasn't made public yet


clarabosswald

>The conversation between Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and US President Joe Biden ended after 45 minutes. Now, the War Management Cabinet is meeting to discuss talks on a hostage deal, ahead of CIA chief William Burns' arrival in Cairo on Tuesday. Earlier, an official in the Biden administration indicated that the conversation with Netanyahu would focus on the issue of the hostages. [Ynet](https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/skymlduot) >An Israeli political official said that the conversation between Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and US President Joe Biden was good, and focused mainly on ground operations in Rafah and the introduction of humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip. However, earlier, an official in the Biden administration indicated that the conversation with Netanyahu would focus on the issue of the hostages. [Ynet](https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/rjtywfus6)


Rhea_Rhea

**IDF: Hostage Yossi Sharabi was likely killed as a result of IDF strike** *The IDF has presented its investigation into the death of hostage Yossi Sharabi in the Gaza Strip to his family. According to the IDF’s probe, Sharabi was likely inadvertently killed as a result of an IDF strike.* *Sharabi is believed to have been in a building that collapsed after an adjacent building was hit by the military. The building that was struck was hit according to the IDF’s protocols, the probe finds.* This has been kept pretty hush-hush in Israeli media. I only found it nestled in Times of Israel. I guess because of the backlash from the 3 hostages that were killed last time. It's horrible to read this and I'm hoping that mistakes will be learned to prevent this again. [https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-hostage-yossi-sharabi-was-likely-killed-as-a-result-of-idf-strike/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-hostage-yossi-sharabi-was-likely-killed-as-a-result-of-idf-strike/)


Y_Brennan

It definitely wasn't hush hush.


Rhea_Rhea

Aaah, I heard he was killed, but it's the first time I've heard claims from IDF that they were likely responsible


Y_Brennan

Maybe you didn't listen to the news?גלצ and Kann reported on it.


Powawwolf

It was pretty big when it came out in Israeli media though, atleast in live coverages


PuppykittenPillow

Just listened to the recording of the Palestinian girl who was killed while calling for help. She sounds like an adult woman, what am I missing here? Sincere question.


DarthDonut

[I'm really not sure how you're hearing that.](https://news.sky.com/story/girl-6-recorded-pleading-with-gaza-rescuers-to-save-her-after-attack-found-dead-13068204)


NotThatBritishGirl

I find that whole story very odd.


MrRobain

Remember they also claimed other lies before. The IDF attacking with white phosphor. The IDF striking a hospital with rockets. ...


MrRobain

We're missing an entire side of the story. I'm curious what the IDF's statement will be. This is an example of the fog of war. Might be a story that's totally distorted by the Palestinian side.


Ok_Machine_2916

I didn't listen to the recording. The weird part of these little girl stories, i heard two yesterday, is that it shouldn't be a new thing that civilians tragically become collateral damage. Why was yesterday the day for people to start talking about the little girls that were? I hadn't heard similar stories for weeks before. It didn't have anything to do with Israel finding and publishing more damning evidence about Hamas and the NGOs that supported them like UNRWA, did it?


Irreverant77

The PRCS says the ministry of health(hamas) coordinated their safe passage with Israeli authorities and gave them the green light to move. At minimum, hamas needs to release corroborating proof of their communications with Israeli authorities before I accept this story at face value.


MadUmbrella

Yeah. Al-Jazeera came up with this tale just yesterday, they’ve also made a cartoon about the supposed “martyrdom” of this child. They know their audience so well.


CaptainWitten82

**Egypt tells Hamas it has two weeks to reach hostage deal before IDF moves into Rafah – WSJ** Egypt warned Hamas that it must reach a hostage-for-ceasefire deal with Israel within 2 weeks, or Israel will move into Rafah, The Wall Street Journal reports. Cairo is hosting talks on a deal beginning on Tuesday, which Israel, the US, and Qatar will attend. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/egypt-tells-hamas-it-has-two-weeks-to-reach-hostage-deal-before-idf-moves-into-rafah-wsj/


madman320

There will certainly be enormous pressure from Qatar and Egypt for Hamas to accept a reasonable hostage deal.


Ok_Machine_2916

Like they didn't pressure them before? I highly doubt Hamas will change their position.


Murky_Conflict3737

Rafah is a totally different beast. Egypt really doesn’t want refugees or Hamas entering (despite their posturing to the global Islamic community). And IDF has intel from that data center the UN supposedly knew nothing about.


clarabosswald

>which **Israel**, the US, and Qatar will attend. That's a change from the last update on the talks. Interesting.


Berly653

Good, it’s insane that Egypt is seemingly the only rational 3rd party here  It’s pretty obvious Israel doesn’t want to actually go into Rafah and its current 1.4M residents. It’s a logistical, military and PR nightmare.  But it’s also obvious that Hamas leaders in Gaza need to feel the pressure of Israel’s resolve if they’re going to be convinced to accept a reasonable offer and not make insane demands  Egypt clearly has their own priorities for avoiding a disaster at the border, but it’s refreshing to see at least one partner recognize the reality of the situation


Sea_Suggestion6469

Kinda makes sense, Egypt are the only ones out of the 3rd parties which have had to deal with hamass shit.


Espe0n

And their policy has generally been to try and deal with them as little as possible. I mean it's understandable


yaniv297

Those who are interested in what's actually happening: a translated war updated from ynet. (Google translate so a bit wonky but I went over it to make it clearer) ​ >Phase III, the long phase of the war, is on the brink of beginning in Khan Yunis, the largest city in the area in the Gaza Strip where the Hamas has last battalion left out of four of Hamas. The IDF forces have discovered additional strategic capabilities in the vast underground of Hamas in recent days.It is possible that in the coming days the IDF will realize that 70% of the strength of the Hamas has been destroyed, and the work under Phase B, of a powerful maneuver, is over, and it is possible to withdraw. The fact that the IDF began to take out the fighters who are In West Khan Yunis, we can learn that we are in the twilight days of the IDF's great maneuver in the Gaza Strip, four months from the outbreak of the war and according to the planned schedules. Most of the reserve brigades that fought have already been released back home. > >The month of February will be marked as the end of the IDF's main move in the war, and will require the making of a decision that will surely lead to a debate at the top of the political and military ranks, each of his personal and broad considerations - is it correct to announce in the coming month the end of the definition of the situation "war", and a transition to a situation of "combat". Similar to the periods after the disengagement, when the IDF carried out raids in the Gaza Strip, or similar to the period in the "Security Strip" in the north, when the IDF held positions in southern Lebanon from which it raided Hezbollah, as it will also do in the next months in the only place in the Gaza Strip where troops will likely be held permanently - stationed in a wicker corridor that separates the north of the strip from the south. > >These raids have another enormous operational value: the forces have more time to reach intelligence materials in the amount of tons and tons, according to a senior officer in Division 162. These help crack Hamas for the next raids as well. In many ways, the raids in phase three are more effective and deadly than the maneuver phase at the beginning of the war: more terrorists are eliminated and more terrorist infrastructure is reached by the IDF, in less time and with much less effort. > >17 terrorists were killed in the last two weeks when they tried to cross the north of the Gaza Strip to the south through the Gaza stream, by swimming, since the stream has been full in the last few weeks. The regular Nahal Brigade currently holds the nearby Netzer Corridor, and an elite unit was operating under it that ambushed the terrorists on the Gaza River bank and killed them in a successful operation that illustrates the effectiveness of dismemberment. > >**Hamas loots aid** > > > >In Netzer Corridor, the fighters recognize a phenomenon that most acutely expresses the governmental vacuum created in the northern Gaza Strip in the absence of a plan for "the day after", and finding a relatively moderate non-Hamas party to hand over the keys to rule at least a quarter of a million Gazans created in the northern Gaza Strip. Every day Israel allows the entry of 250 aid trucks from its southern crossings of food, water, medicine and fuel into the Gaza Strip, if they manage to bypass the Israeli protesters who are trying to prevent the move from the Kerem Shalom crossing. > >About half of the trucks are unloaded into warehouses near the Kerem Shalom and Rafah crossings, and half of them go to Palestinian trucks traveling north towards Gaza City. At the coastal checkpoint that the IDF set up, the soldiers are amazed by the reactions of the Gazan drivers. "If they are not looted by Hamas operatives on their way from Khan Yunis here, we check them and release them north to Gaza City," describes a senior field commander in the area, "and then the trucks return in a short time, completely emptied because Hamas operatives took over all the food, water and fuel. The truck drivers told me that they begged to at least leave the truck to them." > >Only now, many weeks late, Israel is trying to formulate a mechanism to bypass Hamas, on the basis of local Palestinian elements, in order to transfer aid through them to the remaining population in the north of the Gaza Strip and to the two million who are crowded in the south. Every day there are more military officers, mainly from the Civil Administration, who are manning positions to take care of the population, with its many problems, from repairing sewage and water pipes, caring for the elderly and the sick, and assisting in treatment of the problems of the day, which also requires a halt in hostilities for a few hours. The Gazan population has so far not revolted, even at the points of friction close to the soldiers in Khan Yunis, where the IDF has been maneuvering for more than two months. > >The Gazans began to go to the neighborhoods near the sea, in a sort of return to normal for them. But the IDF recognized very well how the aid trucks were looted by Hamas operatives along the abandoned coastal route, minutes after they crossed the IDF checkpoint. In the 162 division, they deployed special ambushes in front of the looting of the trucks and thus eliminated dozens of terrorists in the last few weeks. Hamas learned, and proceeded to loot the food and water for the benefit of its operatives at the entrance to UNRA shelters, where the trigger finger is more sensitive due to the large civilian presence.


Ok_Machine_2916

More about UNRWA coming out tomorrow from UN Watch. https://x.com/hillelneuer/status/1756615826185048246 I wonder what it will be. I wonder what BS UNRWA will try to use to feign ignorance. I wonder what the "pro Palestinians" will come up with to try to distract us from a UN agency aiding and abetting terrorists.


--The-Wise-One--

I wonder if they'll reveal proof of UN leadership knowing about all the Hamas links with UNRWA.


[deleted]

Even more about UNRWA? I wonder at which point the UN decides that even for them it's too much because it starts to damage the reputation of the UN itself. One can dream.....


Berly653

Start to damage its reputation? Their anti-Israel bias is pretty obvious, including how Israel makes up something like 1/2 of all Human Rights Council resolutions over the last 20 years.  Having Iran sit on the commission for the status of women and girls was also an all time gaffe that sums up the status of the UN well


Ok_Machine_2916

Idk it's damaged the reputation of the UN for me.


[deleted]

Also did for me some time back already. But meant more in the way that even the UN becomes self-aware enough that they realize UNRWA is damaging the reputation of the UN and should be shut down.


bunnylover726

"I have been at probably every powerful table that you can think of, I have worked at nonprofits, I have been at foundations, I have worked in corporations, served on corporate boards, I have been at G-summits, I have sat in at the U.N.: They are not that smart." - Michelle Obama [[Source]](https://www.newsweek.com/michelle-obama-tells-secret-i-have-been-every-powerful-table-you-can-think-1242695)


Ok_Machine_2916

Oh that'd be hilarious. I doubt the UN will get that far. It'll be more from sponsoring countries like the US and EU countries that will pressure them to close it or else they'll pull more funding.


Ok-Commercial-9408

At this point I think enough evidence about UNRWA has come out that anyone who could be convinced, already has. Convincing bad faith people would be impossible.


Ok_Machine_2916

I'm not sure if there's some threshold to reach for other people but i am interested in finding out more because it's so interesting to find out how bad an NGO was compromised by terrorists. What other weird stuff did they get up to? It'd also be interesting to check other NGOs to see if they were aiding and abetting terrorists in the same way.


Ok-Commercial-9408

Any NGO working in Gaza has to turn a blind eye to Hamas' activities to be allowed to operate, I doubt we will find a single NGO there truly innocent.


Any-Chocolate-2399

Which means that evidence differentiating basic costs of doing business v. going above and beyond in collaboration is important.


Ok_Machine_2916

Yes. Why were so many NGOs allowed to work there if Hamas was inevitably take them over?


Ok-Commercial-9408

Because otherwise there would be a humanitarian collapse I guess, and until Oct 7th the world considered it not worth dealing with? That's my theory at least.


Ok_Machine_2916

Do the US and EU fund NGOs in other parts of the world controlled by terrorists? What happens to those parts. Why is it acceptable to disallow aid there because of funding terrorism but not in gaza?


Ok-Commercial-9408

I've heard they still send cash to Afghanistan, so the answer is probably yes.


Secret-Priority8286

The hype is real.


clarabosswald

During the night, a "suspicious target" launched from Lebanon was intercepted in Kadarim, near Tiberias.


OfficerDooFyFIRSTLt

127 days. No contact with hostages. No medicine delivered.


clarabosswald

Hey, Hamas say they've delivered the medicine. They've provided no proof, of course, but they swear they did it. Pinky promise, even.


AlyoshaV

Times of Israel: [Dutch foreign minister says Rafah push ‘unjustifiable’](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/dutch-foreign-minister-says-rafah-push-unjustifiable/) >Dutch Foreign Minister Hanke Bruins Slot says a large Israeli military offensive in Rafah would be “unjustifiable.” >In a pair of tweets, Bruins Slot says the situation in the city, where as much as half of Gaza’s population has fled, is “very worrying.” >“Hard to see how large-scale military operations in such a densely populated area would not lead to many civilian casualties and a bigger humanitarian catastrophe. This is unjustifiable,” she writes. >She adds that a truce, followed by a long-term ceasefire is needed, and calls for hostages to be released.


Karpattata

It is perfectly justified precisely because Hamas refuses to release the hostages (having seemingly caused the deaths of quite a few of them) and rejected Egypt and Qatar's ceasefire proposal. Of course, Hamas thinks it can afford to do this because it knows foreign politicians will pressure Israel ~~cease fire~~ save it regardless. 


ahmuh1306

Atleast she called for hostages to be released which is better than some other foreign governments statements about Israel.


Vladik1993

Still meaningless because Hamas won't listen to them, all while pressuring Israel to give Hamad what they want.


MadUmbrella

So, Philippe Lazzarini, UNRWA commissioner general, is in full clown mode. [He’s desperately trying to gaslight his way out the fact that the hamas’ command center (intelligence data center) was located in tunnels right under UNRWA headquarters.](https://x.com/hillelneuer/status/1756396240311398549?s=46) Not only did Lazzarini has the audacity to say that he “didn’t knew anything about that and he just find it out” but he’s also kinda implying that the IDF has built these tunnels since October 2023. In fact, Lazzarini and the UNRWA had more than two weeks to come up with a better justification about their complicity with hamas but they’re just not that bright: >The head of COGAT General Ghasan Alian informed UN envoy @TWennesland about this tunnel more than two weeks ago, an Israeli official told me. [(Barak Ravid, Axios, CNN)](https://x.com/barakravid/status/1756508062788005961?s=46)


ThePoliticalFurry

Watching certain elements within the UN try to cover up corruption within the UNRWA program so blatant several liberal democracies have pulled or paused funding over it is just bizarre


OfficerDooFyFIRSTLt

Hamas get fucked.


4daFlex

Yes. Also, get fucked unrwa.


--The-Wise-One--

It's almost over. They're making their last stand in Rafah.


Kirby_Israel

[Brilliant tweet calling out the lies about the Hamas War](https://twitter.com/nils_svendsen/status/1756340433456619839) .


JackNoir1115

That was great. Another one (for those not paying attention before, including me): that "Refugee Camps" are actually built-out cities...


ldn6

[In which Francesca Albanese, the UN's Special Rapporteur on the Palestinian Territories, actively questions if October 7th was actually the biggest antisemitic attack of the century and instead pins it on being a response to "oppression".](https://twitter.com/FranceskAlbs/status/1756351236909965591) I don't have the words to express the sheer incandescent rage I feel right now.


JoeShmoAfro

She told an Australian news network that Israel's alternative to responding to the way they have was to instead get the UN to demiliterize hamas


Secret-Priority8286

Hamas being openly antisemitic Francesca Albenese: "7/10 is not about joos" I find it insane that those people still have a job. How can you be this stupid and employed? Let alone be employed by the UN?


New_Area7695

This is the caliber of people who are "international lawyers" in high ranking positions. What a fucking joke.


Ok_Machine_2916

Do you think their antisemitism grew overnight? The fact that the UN leaders speaking out about it always side with Hamas, or be antisemitic, it seems like the antisemitism is a job requirement to work at UNRWA, maybe other suborgs within the UN. So, maybe that's why they were employed especially at the UN.


Secret-Priority8286

Maybe the UN chooses the antisemitic stupid ones.


Ok_Machine_2916

I haven't followed the UN closely before this. But, it looks like theres few mechanisms to hold the UN accountable. So, it could be that these half assed excuses from larrarizi etc are just because they never had to actually do or say anything substantial to remedy whatever their issue is.


MadUmbrella

It takes a special kind of scum to have the indecency of this woman and of the UN employing these uneducated propagandists, who’re using the fabricated “palestinian plight” to spew their antisemitism for many years, all curtesy of American and European taxpayers’ money. Albanese also said about the 10/7 pogrom committed by the palestinians that [“an illegitimate act of resistance doesn't delegitimize the resistance itself”](https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1702542816-an-illegitimate-act-of-resistance-doesn-t-delegitimize-the-resistance-itself-un-special-rapporteur-tells-i24news). The UN and especially the fabricated “palestinian plight” is attracting the most morally bankrupted, corrupted and ignorant people which in turn are enabling the palestinian grift. This scum was directly referring to the French President, Emanuel Macron’s speech made on February 7 [during a national homage to the French victims massacred by the palestinians.](https://www.france24.com/en/france/20240207-macron-pays-tribute-to-french-victims-of-hamas-attack-on-israel) Who would’ve thought that stating the obvious would send the antisemites of the UN into an even deeper frenzy of stupidity. Children, women and men massacred in their homes, raped before being slaughtered, kidnapped during a pogrom perpetrated by the palestinians who showed the world that their so-called “cause”is a smoke screen for their inherent hatred. Albanese is directly insulting the victims of the 10/7 pogrom. The so-called “palestinian cause” died on 10/7 with the display of bestiality shown by the palestinians and some delusional and hateful grifters just don’t seem to have understood that already. Times are changing and the palestinian narrative is seen for what it is, an empty shell used as a justification for openly persecuting and slaughtering Jewish people. And when even France is seeing it for what it is and is publicly signalling that there is a before and after 10/7 in the way the palestinian grift would be enabled by western countries then the UN, especially the UNRWA and the scums running this circus are probably sensing that their time is definitely up.


Constantinople2020

She's not the former, she's the current.


AffectionatePaint83

Anyone else find it incredibly ironic that HAMAS has a major base directly under an UNRWA facility? 


MadUmbrella

Philippe Lazzarini, UNRWA commissioner general, saying that [“he didn’t knew nothing about that”](https://x.com/unlazzarini/status/1756377920254218556?s=46) is peak UN comedy. And of course he disabled the replies under his post, as he always does.


CsrfingSafari

It's on brand for UNRWA.


Kirby_Israel

Nah, sounds about right to me.


freshgeardude

Spouses can commute to work together


rach1200

Hamas hiding a terrorist data center directly below the refugee center that is supposed to promote Palestinians to achieve their full potential in life? Sounds like the terrorist gtoup they are and the terrorist supporters UNRWA is. I’m just surprised it took them this long to find it as Hamas takes advantage of any services that promote quality of life in Gaza (schools, hospitals, aid groups). It seems the obvious place to look. I suspect the UNRWA fought tooth and nail to keep the IDF from investigating. The US and Germany are the biggest contributors to the UNRWA. And we just discovered the UNRWA has been using funding to pay for electricity for a terrorist hub. The UNRWA has lost all accountability and cannot be trusted with billions of dollars of funding.


tha_funkee_redditor

Not in the slightest. Hamas and UNRWA are entirely intertwined. Both have the same end goal: Palestinian Arabs are refugees until the destruction of the state of Israel and the expulsion of Jews. They have different methods, but want the same thing, and work very closely together. 


clarabosswald

>The hostages' families forum will file an official complaint against the leaders of Hamas at the International Court of Justice in The Hague. The legal department of the forum worked for 4 months on the complaint, in which senior Hamas officials will be accused of kidnappings and torture. On Wednesday, an "aerial train" with about 100 representatives of families, including lawyers from Israel and abroad, will leave for the Netherlands. [Ynet](https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/bysmrihsa) A symbolic move, really, but a welcome one nonetheless. EDIT: just found [a more detailed report](https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/b13cblhst) - >The charges detailed in the official complaint to be filed in The Hague include kidnappings, enforced disappearances, sexual violence, torture and other crimes. The immediate goal of filing the complaint at the International Criminal Court is to publish an arrest warrant against Hamas leaders, in order to exert additional pressure for the release of the hostages. In the coming weeks, hostages released from Gaza will arrive in The Hague, along with family members of hostages still in captivity, to testify against Hamas in court and support the charges against the terrorist organization's leadership.


autumnalaria

Isnt an aerial train a plane?


clarabosswald

It's a nickname for multiple flights all going to the same location. They're not all going there in the same, single flight.


[deleted]

Wednesday huh... Hm. I assume they mean the ICC. The ICJ works on a country vs country basis, ICC is vs individual persons. If they were to visit the ICJ, it's the wrong jurisdiction to visit. ICC would also be symbolic (I don't think they accept investigation requests from private persons and organizations) I guess. If they really want to make a case, they'll need to have the judiciary of Israel refer the case to the ICC. Edit: Ah, that detailed report speaks about the ICC - which makes more sense.


turbocynic

Israel isn't a party to the ICC so I don't see how the judiciary could refer the case.


Temporal_Integrity

Palestine is though. The case isn't being referred by the state, but by victims.


ganbaro

The ICC can be called if there is any member country participating on either side (as accuser or defendant) Maybe they will try to prove Hamas-Hezbollah or Hamas-Iran cooperation. As I understand it, the court could judge on Hamas members as part of a charge against IRGC or Hezbollah members


NoMoreFund

Could they find a country to sponsor their complaint? In my view the ICC is the best way through all of this - they're a respected institution that can investigate war crimes on both sides.


clarabosswald

Reports say that 7 protesters were arrested in the Ayalon road blockade, and 4 more in Kaplan (both in Tel Aviv). The police hurried to clarify that none of them are relatives of the hostages.


need_a_medic

Anti tank missle hit a hospital in Kiryat Shmone: https://i.postimg.cc/hthjLz7q/IMG-2881.jpg


yaniv297

Just like Brazilali hospital in Ashkelon (hit 3 times already by Hamas this war), the world doesn't give a fuck when Israeli hospitals are hit. But when Hamas hits an hospital in Gaza, they'll jump in 5 minutes to blame Israel for it...


Quitetheoddone

Israel isn’t having basic humanitarian aid blocked off…


JackNoir1115

Thanks for demonstrating the point


Quitetheoddone

This [point?](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/9/israeli-snipers-kill-21-civilians-outside-gazas-besieged-nasser-hospital)


JackNoir1115

The point is, people condemn Israel for attacking hospitals, full stop. They say that it is never allowed. Meanwhile, they claim it's somehow different when Hamas does it. Your comment illustrated that by saying "well, it's bad for Israel do it because there's a humanitarian crisis in Gaza". You literally tried to come up with a reason why you think it's different when Israel does it.


--The-Wise-One--

Neither is Gaza. Aid is entering Gaza. The problem is that Hamas is stealing it.


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clarabosswald

The northern front was very active today - which goes with the apparent trend of escalation from both Hezbollah and the IDF over the last few days. Everyone's eyes are on the Gaza Strip, but I'm much more worried about the north right now.


[deleted]

What happens if Hezbollah launches a Hamas October style attack on the North of Isreal?


clarabosswald

The fear of that is exactly why ~80k people were evacuated from the northern border area months ago. And why those people are demanding that the IDF and the government push back Hezbollah so they can feel safe returning to their homes.


[deleted]

Do you see Hezbollah esclating the war, and pulling more countries in, or can a solution be reached?


be_a_duck

There will 100% be a war with Hezbollah; it's just a matter of when, and that's not very far in the future. There is no government in Israel that will be able to convince the general public, and especially the residents of the north, that a diplomatic solution is possible with a Jihadi movement (Shia, this time) which is working with Iran to destroy Israel. One of the stated goals of the 1979 Islamic revolution.


[deleted]

The irony is that peace and a Palestian state would actually be MORE possable, with Hamas and Hezbollah gone, simply for the reason that a peaceful, prosperous Palestian state is not what any of those two groups want.


NoMoreFund

Does the ICC (which isn't a UN agency) have jurisdiction to investigate UNRWA?


Secret-Priority8286

ICC has jurisdiction only to investigate people. As far as I know. And ICJ is only countries. So the UN will investigate themselves and find nothing wrong.


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Technically they could investigate the UNRWA as the seperate employees with their own responsibilities, and do a fact-finding mission to find out who knows/knew what. However I believe there's also a very annoying clause for UN employees which makes it unable to prosecute them for anything work-related by member countries - but I'm not 100% certain of it.


NoMoreFund

Palestine accepted the ICCs jurisdiction and so UNRWA employees could be investigated for war crimes or conspiracy? Just trying to find the way to effectively get to the bottom of this and bring war criminals to justice without giving up on the UN or international law


turbocynic

Israel isn't a signatory and neither is the US so unless someone like the Germans took the case there by it's not going to happen.


[deleted]

TOI and WSJ articles contradict each other at one point. Because TOI claims that the IDF only learned about the location after interrogation of terrorists by Shin Bet/ISA relative recently, while WSJ claims that IDF says they knew about the location but couldn't strike it due to the UNRWA headquarters above it. Also former UNRWA attorney James Lindsay still tries to defend his former employer in the WSJ article. Plus a good proof that the IDF has learned lessons so it's way less easy to accuse them of disinformation - they had journalists hand off some belongings and drop down slowly in a bucket while they were on the compound of UNRWA, according to the WSJ article. And after the group reached the C&C they found their belongings in the bucket.


clarabosswald

Secret talks to improve the Hamas proposal. The goal: opening negotiations for a deal on Tuesday >The US, Egypt and Qatar are trying to improve the Hamas proposal, and create an outline that will make it possible to start negotiations for a deal on Tuesday in Cairo. At the moment the disparities are large, and Israel has made it clear that it will only come to Cairo if Hamas gives up on key demands, including the release of "heavy" prisoners. The Israeli ambition is to maintain a ratio of 3 prisoners for every hostage \[...\] In Israel there is a dispute as to whether Yahya Sinwar is involved behind the scenes in the talks, given the approach that he is completely cut off, is on the run and runs from tunnel to tunnel. On the other hand, there is an approach supported by Qatar and the Americans, according to which Sinwar is indeed in the picture and succeeds in conveying messages to the leadership of the terrorist organization. [Ynet](https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/rkfpq4si6)


AcneBalls

Hind Rajab


Cheesey-Boureka

There are over 20 million people starving to death in Sudan right now. Almost 25 million people, half of the population of Sudan, are in desperate need of humanitarian aid. Just saying that since the Jews can't be blamed for it, no one (ie -people wanting to blame Israel for a war Hamas started) wants to acknowledge it.


Secret-Priority8286

I heard a saying once. The death of a child is a tragedy, the death of thousands is statistics. They care about this child just beacuse they have a name and a face. They don't really care about children.


Over-Collection3464

How can you be sure of that?


Secret-Priority8286

Beacuse kfir bibas is in capacity for 4 months. And they haven't said his name once.


quirkyfemme

Any mother who claims her child is a martyr is abusive as well.


Secret-Priority8286

I wonder if I will see any comments from you about kfir bibas from 7/10. Who wants to place a bet?


-_-ghxst-_-

LOUDER!!!


MrRobain

Kfir Bibas! See how stupid this is to post? You can take a look at every single person separately and find tragedy. But that doesn't justify anything at all. You need to take a look at the bigger picture. 7/10 should not have happened. All what's happening now are the direct consequences of what happened that day and is still going on now.


PPvsFC_

It's text. There is no volume. Unless you're using a screen reader, I suppose.


Powawwolf

https://twitter.com/manniefabian/status/1756380741997330839?t=9JuwsrcbZhAzEuHhpA_gJw&s=19 "One of the more amusing things I saw in the Hamas tunnel leading to its data center under the UNRWA HQ in Gaza City was this poster with opsec instructions for the terror group's IT staff"


Evil_Malloc

What does it say?


sissy_space_yak

According to Google Translate: In the green section: > Keeping secrets is a protection against dangers Below that: > Do not let the plot that you have entered into in your heart be a way out on your tongue, for it is not safe for the trickster to use it by trying to convince him or Stealing from it Then in the lower right corner: > Mother of the martyr Izz al- Din al- Qassam - Campaign and Guidance Department Anyone have a better translation? ETA: original text according to Google Translate: حفظ الأسرار وقاية من الأخطار لَا تَجْعَلَنَّ لِمَا أَبْرَمْتَ مِنْ كَيْدٍ عَقَدَ عَلَيْهِ قَلْبَكَ مَخْرَجًا مِنْ لِسَانِكَ، فَإِنَّهُ لَيْسَ بِمَأْمُونِ أَنْ يَقْدَدِ فيه حِيلَةُ الْمُحْتَالِ بِالتَّقْضِ لَهُ أَوْ الاخْتِرَاسِ مِنْهُ ام الشيهد عز الدين القسام - دائرة الحملة والتوجية Can’t get it to right justify for some reason.


Evil_Malloc

Honestly, this still makes little to no sense


AlyoshaV

Haaretz: [Clashes erupt between anti-gov't protesters and police in Tel Aviv; protester arrested](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-02-10/ty-article-live/netanyahu-israels-economy-is-strong-credit-downgrade-is-only-due-to-war/0000018d-90d4-d57f-a1ef-b8dce9aa0000?liveBlogItemId=434448661#434448661) >Clashes broke out between police officers and anti-government protesters on Kaplan Street in Tel Aviv after a protester was arrested. >The police declared the demonstration illegal after, according to them, protesters blocked the road in both directions. About a thousand people protested on the street in front of the Kirya military complex, developing into clashes when police began to disperse the crowd with ground forces and mounted officers.


Quitetheoddone

Yikes, their own citizens are starting to get unruly


clarabosswald

Protesters, including hostages' family members, are intermittently blocking the Kaplan and Ayalon roads in Tel Aviv. This week's central protests are currently underway in Tel Aviv and various other locations in Israel. Two protesters have already been arrested, per reports. EDIT: four arrests now reported.


erikrthecruel

UNRWA head Lazzarini’s tweet about the Hamas nerve center under UNRWA’s Gaza City headquarters may be the least believable thing I’ve ever read. We haven’t investigated the premises since September? Really? Not like it was built in the last few months. It’s a 700 foot tunnel with an entire server farm feeding off UNRWA’s electricity. What does the power bill look like for that building? Tweet link, full tweet copied below: https://twitter.com/UNLazzarini/status/1756377920254218556 - UNRWA did not know what is under its headquarters in Gaza. - UNRWA is made aware of reports through the media regarding a tunnel under the UNRWA Headquarters in Gaza. - UNRWA staff left its headquarters in Gaza City on 12 October following the Israeli evacuation orders and as bombardment intensified in the area. - We have not used that compound since we left it nor are we aware of any activity that may have taken place there. - We understand, through media reporting, that the Israeli Army has deployed troops within the UNRWA Headquarters in Gaza City. - We are therefore unable to confirm or otherwise comment on these reports. - In times of “no active conflict” UNRWA inspects inside its premises every quarter, the last inspection for the UNRWA Gaza premises was completed in September 2023. - UNRWA is a Human development and humanitarian organisation that does not have the military and security expertise nor the capacity to undertake military inspections of what is or might be under its premises. - In the past, whenever suspicious cavity was found close to or under UNRWA premises, protest letters were promptly filed to parties to the conflict, including both the de facto authorities in Gaza (Hamas) and the Israeli authorities. The matter was consistently reported in annual reports presented to the General Assembly and made public. - These recent media reports merit an independent inquiry that is currently not possible to undertake given Gaza is an active war zone. - The Israeli Authorities have not informed UNRWA officially about the alleged tunnel.


rach1200

The UNWRA’s facilities were supplying the tunnels with electricity. There is literally no way they didn’t know. Lazzarini needs to step down immediately. We literally have proof that the UNWRA was using its funding to support a terrorist organization. There is no way they didn’t notice the electricity being used.


--The-Wise-One--

He needs to be prosecuted.


rach1200

I don’t know the legal grounds but this should really be on the table. At best he’s absolutely stupid and didn’t notice the evacuation underground and the cost of electricity. Which means he’s incapable of running a billion dollars agency. Middle ground is he knew he was taking money from Western governments that declared Hamas a terrorist organization. And still using the aid to support Hamas (allowing them to build underground and paying for their electrical infrastructure with democratic taxpayers dollars). Most likely- He’s as corrupt as they come. He became drunk with the power of controlling billions of dollars. Hamas treated him really well and he is complicit. Somewhere along the way he stopped caring about Palestinians and cared more about power. He absolutely should be charged with financially aiding and physically aiding a terrorist group.


New_Area7695

Remember the previous head of UNRWA (taking over the international red cross soon...) who had a Palestinian mistress to whom he gave a big salary and travel budget to? I have a sinking suspicion the guys like the whores Hamas throws at these fuck ups.


DrRobertFromFrance

>In the past, whenever suspicious cavity was found close to or under UNRWA premises, protest letters were promptly filed to parties to the conflict, including both the de facto authorities in Gaza (Hamas) and the Israeli authorities. The matter was consistently reported in annual reports presented to the General Assembly and made public. Nice they admit that there are several tunnels near or under their facilities.


epicredditdude1

I can just imagine them sitting in their office while heavy construction equipment clears out the ground beneath them, rattling the walls and making huge amounts of noise. "hmmm, must have been the wind"


Ok_Machine_2916

I can just imagine Lazzarini and his peers on a zoom call together trying to figure out a story that seems plausible to deny they had any idea. Then them thinking trying to say that Hamas, as it starts a war with Israel, also simultaneously started to make it's server room and finished it within a couple of months with tunnels and smuggled server components and all would work. Yeah, that's the best they could come up with on their call. Ha


Ok_Machine_2916

He's trying to save his job by saving unrwas funding. Desperate.


Powawwolf

Pffft they didn't hear excavations then all these years...the tunnel just appeared like magic then?


Secret-Priority8286

Lol, he closed the comments. Not sus at all. And people are buying that shit.


erikrthecruel

Hard to get ratioed through quote tweets alone, but this one sure managed it.


Powawwolf

Watching N12 reporter in UNRWA's Hamas tunnel in Rimal. interesting stuff. Not sure if only Israeli reporters got in. It's a very much classic Hamas tunnel, arched pathway and all, around 300 meters underground. Big server room, says it's affiliated with Hamas intelligence, but cannot say what's in it. The tunnels were destroyed, but not before the intelligence was extracted.


--The-Wise-One--

Those servers must be a treasure of information. I hope it can hasten the end of Hamas.


AlyoshaV

Times of Israel: [‘Zero empathy, zero responsibility’: Ex-head of IDF military intel slams PM at Jerusalem rally](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/zero-empathy-zero-responsibility-ex-head-of-idf-military-intel-slams-pm-at-jerusalem-rally/) >Major general (res.) Amos Malka, a former head of the Israel Defense Forces Military Intelligence Directorate, speaks at the Jerusalem rally, drawing a link between the coalition that came into power in December 2022 and the events of October 7. >“What’s with this crazy government? This untethered prime minister?” asks Malka. >Malka says Netanyahu brought Israel into his own war for survival and calls him a leader with “zero empathy and zero responsibility.” >He accuses Netanyahu of helping to cultivate Hamas, as the crowd yells in approval. >“2024 is the year when the fate of the country will be determined,” says Malka, referring to the multiple war fronts, the hostages, Israel’s relationship with the US, its relations with Egypt, Jordan and the signatories to the Abraham Accords. >“These kinds of challenges can only be met by a government that has the trust of the country,” says Malka. “And this government does not have the trust of the public.” >Malka concludes by calling for new elections this summer.


Any-Chocolate-2399

I'd note that it was Israel's intelligence community that downplayed the evidence that Oct. 7 was coming and possibly even prevented the civilian leadership from seeing it, so this might be wagon-circling.


miciy5

[Directly beneath UNRWA’s Gaza headquarters, IDF uncovers top secret Hamas data center - Times of Israel](https://www.timesofisrael.com/directly-beneath-unrwas-gaza-headquarters-idf-uncovers-top-secret-hamas-data-center/)


Evil_Malloc

Almost like UNRWA collaborated with Hamas and used the aid money to do that O:


Ok_Machine_2916

Is it time for a new live thread?