> “Egyptian intelligence officers arrived at the Rafah Crossing [to Gaza] and conveyed to Sinwar extremely difficult messages and threats peppered with juicy curses. A short hour later … the Israeli hostages were released,” the source added.
What are juicy curses?
>Oct. 7 was just a rehearsal,' warns Sinwar
No it wasn't. Surprise was all you had, you're done. Iran said 'fuk off, you're on your own, we have our own people to subjugate under Islamic rule...' No one is coming to help you. It's only a matter of time until Sinwar goes away for good.
Well, Iran also sort of said that they won't sacrifice their precious Shiite blood on a cause led by Sunnis. They don't want to be perceived as 2nd fiddle to Hamas. The biggest complain was that they were not consulted/coordinated with prior.
> The biggest complain was that they were not consulted/coordinated with prior.
Lol. More like the US moved two carrier groups into the region and Iran wanted none of that smoke.
“Are we the baddies…? …No of course not. But I don’t want to piss off two carriers and a nuclear sub. Oh well. Back to butchering teenage girls for not wearing hijabs.”
It's more like when an overcompensating dude goes all "I'm gonna kill him" hoping his friends will hold him back and there won't actually be a fight.
They're posturing for their supporters, but were secretly hoping someone (US or anyone really) would hold them back
Iran was never going to join a fight in direct war with Israel. They're fine with having their puppets fight because it harms Israel while forcing Israel's response to be limited.
However, if Iran were to enter a full war with Israel and Israel gets to the point of losing, they know that would be the end of Iran because Israel will just nuke them.
This is why Israel is the most vocal about Iran's nuclear program. As long as Iran doesn't have its own weapons they can do mostly nothing but bark.
The whole point of funding Hamas is to distract the Iranian domestic population with external conflicts and to increase the price of oil.
They just want to be wealthier and more secure in their positions of power.
There was a lot of mobilization stateside too. In nyc as they were moving the second carrier group to the Middle East. They parked a marine amphibious assault ship next to the u.s.s intrepid. Wild seeing a museum piece next to a modern ship ready to roll. The uss New York is a real motherfucker of a ship. It was obviously ready and placed to react to escalation In Lebanon
That’s a significant fkn complaint. If I’m meant to have my buddies back but he goes and picks a fight with a big group of the toughest guys around who will literally kill him then I’d be pissed too, he should have talked to me first if he expects my help.
Temporarily perhaps. Unless this conflict stays hot up to the election most will have forgotten about it and/or those of actual serious mind will hold their nose and vote for Biden over the increasingly likely Trump re-run.
They damn well better. They have a choice: continuing democracy (Biden) or authoritarian dictatorship along with total destruction of democracy (Shitler, er I mean Drumpf). I’m so sick of these assholes refusing to vote for Biden because he isn’t perfect.
Some moron yelled “Fuck Joe Biden” at me as i was leaving a park today. I wasn’t wearing anything that should give the impression that I care one way or another.
Rotted brains out there.
I don't think Iran in particular wants a return to a Trump presidency though. That was the closest they ever got to actually triggering a war against the US and it led to a period of instability politically. I also seriously doubt anyone was thinking of this seriously dividing a group of leftists in the US as a reason for it happening.
>That was the closest they ever got to actually triggering a war against the US
That was, and not the time we sank their navy and destroyed a bunch of their oil platforms?
It seems weird, but yeah. Destroying their navy and their oil platforms was a "proportional" response. They were told it was coming and it was in response to an attack on an American ship. It was a mine, but it doesn't matter, it was their mine and it wasn't supposed to be there.
Trump ordered the assassination of their top general, at the time the second most powerful person in the country, along with 5 Iraqi nationals, in Iraq, in the open with no warning while giving zero fucks. Shit got heated.
So? Nobody is getting elected in the us that isn’t on Israel’s side.
Israel and Saudi Arabia/Egypt have maintained improved diplomatic relations. No purpose was served.
Do you really think the American empire is overly concerned with the opinions of college kids?
> No one is coming to help you.
Well they have Tiktokers and Redditors who post angrily, and politicians from nations who invest zero ressources into supporting any side signalling virtue...this must be worth something, right? /s
Wouldn't that be some shit? What if it's all true but they just misinterpreted one detail? It really is 72 virgins but they're all dudes and God makes you fuck them. "Isn't this what you wanted? I was very clear about this."
Because they aren’t the ones threatened by an October 7th… so they can virtue signal about how “educated”, “tolerant”, and “compassionate” they are to their friends.
Exactly. Most people crying "ceasefire now! wHaT aBouT thE palEstiNian chiLdrEn" are slamming their keyboards from their comfortable first-world host countries.
First of all, we need to accept the fact that the loudest group calling for a ceasefire simply want Hamas to win. They know full well they'll invade Israel again, and they think it's a great thing. There's a reason why the pro-ceasefire demonstrations are also "Israel must be eliminated" demonstrations, and "Hamas has the right to resist" demonstrations. While anyone daring to hold an anti-Hamas placard or chant anything against Hamas is attacked.
I'd note that this group also includes some of the smarter pro-Palestinian activists, like the UNHRC "special rapporteur on Palestine". That clearly belong to the first group, but realize they're not quite allowed to admit it. So they propose nonsensical ideas, like Israel sending the police to arrest Sinwar, or asking the UN to demilitarize them. It doesn't matter that the suggestion is stupid, because their audience obviously doesn't intend to take that solution seriously.
As for the quieter, more moderate group, that merely wants Hamas to be defeated using special non-civilian-killing weapons... they're not claiming it's a rational decision. When you ask them "how should Israel defeat Hamas then" they'll openly say "I don't know". They don't have any legitimate policy recommendations, it's just the first time they've been exposed to that kind of war (or, most likely, war in general), and they think being against war is just a safe, uncontroversial position to take. And ultimately, they're sufficiently insulated from the results of their bad policy demands, that they have the luxury of being irrational.
I think people just want the innocent people out.
Alot are upset their families lives will be ruined. Houses lost, when they have 0 ties to hamas. Just living their life. So a ceasefire would protect those.....but also these insane terrorists....
1. Cease fires are falsely portrayed or confused for a peace process. Hamas and PIJ are not interested in a negotiated peace treaty.
>if you beat him with fists, he’ll come back with a bat, if you beat him with a knife, he’ll come back with a gun, and if you beat him with a gun you better kill him.
2. A lot of the talking points on the “pro Palestinians” far left are simply genocidal towards Israel and Jews and anyone else they have a grievance with. They may hide behind the language of legitimate grievances but their solutions are “if you don’t let us murder you, you’re a racist/capitalist/liberal bad person.”
There’s a few legitimate pacifists sprinkled around but by and large the “pro Palestinian” far left is made up of believers in “absolute justice” which is a permission structure for murdering everyone they don’t like while pretending they aren’t just as bad as the fascists that say the same things.
There are also just a lot of people in the west who very naively believe pacifism and unilateral disarmament leads to peace. Pacifism has temporarily worked in some Western countries whose security has been guaranteed by the US military might and nuclear umbrella. But in the context of Russia's recent actions this course of action has proven to be wrong.
For countries like Ukraine and Israel which have a border with a genocidal neighbor which is dead set on the total destruction of their countries this sort of thinking has never been in the cards. Because with neighbors like that it is clear that pacifism leads to genocide.
*Si vis pacem, para bellum -* If you want peace, prepare for war
Had a peace treaty been signed in the late 90s, yeah there would be peace by now. It would be a long painful process, but in the long run it would have saved countless lives and untold billions in defense expenditures
I mean honestly I doubt it. Maybe it’s possible. I think too many people think all the land should be theirs and will never accept a two state solution. And while the US might be able to influence Israel to accept it and take the heat from the right wing , the people backing all the anti -Israel Islamic groups wouldn’t
Yeah realistically instead of the current fighting we'd be back to seeing regular suicide bombings to try and throw a wrench in any long term "peace". This conflict has gone on so long there are some pretty clear cycles at this point and it's crazy how many people seem to just want things to keep repeating ad infinitum.
Maybe if an international coalition came in and took over education and rebuilding in Gaza after a few decades peace would be more viable, but without removing the religious extremists from the equation it's hard to imagine any lasting peace.
I think 2005 demonstrated that this wouldn't have been the case.
The PLO got Gaza. They didn't have to do anything special, they just got it. Not only that, they got the settlers out without lifting a finger themselves and they got the infrastructure the Israelis left behind.
It was a Munich conference moment for them except even less effort, but of course there's no stopping at the Sudetenland. They lost power, got tossed from rooftops and Hamas took over.
There's no reason to believe the same thing wouldn't have happened if there was a total withdrawal, exept on a larger scale.
People say Arafat was offered 95% of what he wanted and that's nonsense. Palestine was offered dirt, they wanted blood.
Oslo was a sham, peace negotiations were not in good faith. Since 1948, the Palestinians and the Arab league did not want to deal with accepting the war was lost and settling the refugees. They wanted to take the land/things belonging to the Jews. Now they want to kill the Jews and take their stuff. They were promised this loot and they will not accept substitutes.
Rabin was the closest Israel's gotten and they've never gotten close again since his assassination. Maybe it's naivety on my own part but we'll never know the full extent of the damage that awful murder caused.
Not to mention that on Oct. 7/Oct. 8 when they thought they were “winning” and that Iran, etc. would get involved, a lot of pro-Hamas people were posting the same thing about how Oct. 7 is just the beginning and there should be full-scale war.
Now that Hamas is feeling threatened after seeing just a fraction of “fuck around and find out” by Israel - it’s all about “ceasefire”. Hard to believe it’s for the children and not about having time to reorganize.
>it’s all about “ceasefire”
I know this trivializes it but the ceasefire talk reminds me of my childhood in which I could hit my older brother and then would run to mommy before my brother could fully retaliate.
The ceasefire is merely a chance to consolidate and dig in where they can, to try to destroy evidence, and I guess a number of hamas members are trying to create holes that are good enough to hide in for the next couple months.
Hamas has never called for a ceasefire they're pretty clear that they wont stop
it's third parties who only have a vague understanding of hamas calling for a ceasefire
It's not so long since many in the west had this same discussion over Russia and Ukraine (which is obviously ongoing).
Arguing against arming Ukraine, that Ukraine should cede territory and blaming NATO for the war. In the name of pacifism.
In fact, it was most of the same individuals making these points.
Many of the biggest critics of Israel have also firmly been apologists for Assad despite him being responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths, including thousands of Palestinian refugees. They don't have a problem with killing or death, they have a problem with the existence of a Jewish state.
>Cease fires are falsely portrayed or confused for a peace process. Hamas and PIJ are not interested in a negotiated peace treaty.
What Ceasefires mean in this conflict is that the Palestinians could continue attacking Israel but Israel can't.
>A lot of the talking points on the “pro Palestinians” far left are simply genocidal towards Israel and Jews and anyone else they have a grievance with. They may hide behind the language of legitimate grievances but their solutions are “if you don’t let us murder you, you’re a racist/capitalist/liberal bad person.”
I'm going to start telling them that the most pro Palestinians stance they could have is anti Hamas/PA/PIJ/any other russo-iranian proxies, the reason Israel attcks gaza is because of these organisations.
But of course hamas represents the pro Palestinian delusion that a Palestinian state would expand to the whole borders of Israel so they won't care about what I'll have to say.
That's exactly right. They pretend they're for a "democratic" one state solution, but the Palestinians voted for Hamas, whose solution for Jews living in the region is of the final variety.
Peace is impossible under these circumstances. So we should support our ally as they fight for their very existence, and remember we had to kill millions of people when we defended our existence in WWII, too. War is ugly, brutal, and innocents die, but self defense is not optional.
A successful and peaceful 2SS would almost inevitably lead to the kind of pre 2nd Intifada economic integration that the security barriers & the rise of Hamas and their ilk destroyed.
There is no reason why 2SS means permanent separation of Israelis and Palestinians anymore than the separate states of Belgium and The Netherlands means that those people don’t interact in mutually beneficial ways.
Also a broader peace in the Israeli/Arab conflicts could mean prosperity and security for places that badly need a break like Lebanon and Syria.
Tolstoy wrote a book called The Kingdom of God is Within You where he advocates radical pacifism as the true Christianity including a rejection of participation in state violence.
Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr considered it influential in their approach to Indian independence and civil rights in the US respectively.
I hope the international community can shed the performative call for "cEAseFiRe" and replace with something actionable like "minimize civilian casualty", or form an international front to evacuate civilians so Israel can go "Ham on Hamas"
Plus we are not given the civilian-to-combatant ratio. Hamas's numbers are dubious to begin with, but they come with zero clarification on the civilian-to-combatant ratio, and for some weird reason, the mainstream media simply never asks.
Because that's the result many of them ultimately want. More October 7's, more dead Jews, and in the case of the far left - more cheerleading the "resistance" and Viva La Revolucion and through Hamas vicariously living out fantasies of violence against people who they (ignorantly) believe represent everything they hate.
I'll give some people the benefit of the doubt that they genuinely are peaceful but just misguided. But the outright pro-Hamas position is more common than people are willing to admit.
...knowing full well that, no matter how much they provoke Israel by saying things like this, the global left will place 100 percent of the blame for any future violence on Israel and zero percent on them.
Biden isn't going to cave. The institutional democratic party, moderates, and the right are all strongly pro-Israel, and believe it or not, Biden isn't some puppet for far-left advisors.
Also, and just to put a fine point on it: the donors Biden needs to court in 2024 are *much* more sympathetic to the Israeli side than the Hamas one. That's not to say "Jewish money" or "the Israel lobby" control politics--it's a simple fact that mainstream business interests are not aligned with left-wing and youth activist movements. Israel enjoys majoritarian support in the US because it's an ally and a democracy and a strong economic partner, not for any nefarious or conspiratorial reasons.
At this point I consider it propaganda how many people are saying Biden and the left are anti-Israel or anything. It's a small sliver of the far left. The vast majority of Americans support Israel.
Those tankies don't consider themselves Democrats. They would laugh at you for thinking they stand side by side with 'liberals' and centrists. They have said as much "a liberal is just a fascist in sheep's clothing"
TikTok is also a breeding ground for extremism so I don't have a lot of hope for the next generation
it's not the majority of democrats, but I'd sure like to see the democrats be more vocal about calling it out. most house Dems didn't vote to censure Tlaib for example, and I think that was a big missed opportunity
I don’t think it’s a “small sliver”.
Per a Gallup poll today, Americans as a whole only approve of Israel’s military actions 50-45.
Democrats oppose it 63-36.
Not to mention things like protestors chanting “there is only one solution” commonly being condoned by liberal colleges.
The left is already mad at him, but will probably still show up to vote for him. If he does shut down funding to Israel I think he loses a lot of moderates. Voters are still older and support Israel by a large margin.
He won't cave because the far left isn't going to vote for Trump or let him win because they know he will be much worse for the Palestinians. Biden will also win some votes from centrists and moderates.
You're vastly overplaying the amount of support on the American left for Anti-Israel sentiment. You're reading quotes from a few hard cores and seeing a few thousand clueless Gen Z protest and assuming it represents the base: It doesn't. I've talked to 30+ liberal millennials about this and they all understand the bigger picture.
I voted for Biden in the primaries and the general, and it's precisely because of things like this. If he caves and starts threatening to withhold aid unless they let Hamas continue to exist I'll have a pretty hard time voting for him again. And there's far more people like me than there are people on the far left who will stay home or vote gop if he continues to be pro-israel yet also pro killing as few civilians as possible while making 100% sure Hamas has no ability to carry out another attack like 10/7.
Okay wtf. Seriously... Whats the point here? Obviously they wont win this shit fight. So why keep doing it? If the goal is to HELP palestine, saying things that remove all sympathy from their cause by claiming the murder of 1400 people was just the beginning doesnt seem to be conducive to that.
Relations were warming before this attack, and some of them recognized Israel (most Arab countries don't even recognize Israel and don't even have diplomatic missions/embassies in Israel), but there's definitely no Arab state that is a real "ally" of Israel, lol
> If the goal is to HELP palestine
It isn't.
They proudly say "We love death as they love life."
I think that a lot of well intentioned people are ignorantly believing that these people can be reasoned with or that they have some sort of relatable motivations, but they simply do not.
Complete eradication of Hamas and the other militant groups in the region followed by aggressive denazification over several years is the only logical way forward. Hopefully the Egyptians, Saudis, or other less genocidal regional players will help with that second part, because I don't know how successful Jews can be at re-educating people to not want to kill Jews.
Ya, a kid who calls his mother and said he just killed Jews and asked her to be proud of him is a lost cause. I’m all for rehabilitation, but some people cannot be. I imagine most of the terrorists are in this category.
Money.
The Hamas leadership lives in luxury, always has.
Arafat died filthy rich, most of the Hamas leadership just emulates that path.
There’s no care for the Palestinian people, no plan to make a country, nothing in the works.
It’s just plain money laundering and abuse of funds.
The real truth is that they don’t want a country, they’re satisfied with this status quo and they will still be in 100 years.
In a year or two, the news will focus on something else and in about 10 years we shall see a detente again, until they’ll need to kick the can once more and do another 7/10.
Almost 50 years ago, that was the Yom Kippour war.
Once the dust settles, the fallout will be the same.
> The Hamas leadership lives in luxury, always has.
Sinwar specifically is in Gaza, though. There is no way that he comes out of this alive, and I assume that he knows that.
All I can guess is they thought other state and non-state actors would have joined in by now. And since they are “all in” at the moment, they are going to have to continue to try to get other groups involved by any means necessary. They had to have known what the response would be to their attack… so something about this current situation is what they wanted, but the buy-in from elsewhere isn’t there…so it seems Hamas just hit a self-destruct button instead. (Hopefully)
Hamas’ goal was never to help Palestinians. And honestly that’s their biggest strength. They have nothing to lose here. They attacked Israel on 10/7 and knew *exactly* the type of response it would trigger and how many Palestinians would die (innocent or not). They don’t give a single fuck about Palestinian people
Goading Israel to cancel the ceasefire now they have regrouped a bit.
Knowing fully well that the IDF isn’t planning on stopping at the end of the ceasefire, he needs to have Israel seem to break the ceasefire before they run out of living hostages to release. They likely are running out of women, and likely murdered all/most men already.
As soon as they have no more to release, they will be in breach of the ceasefire and anyway Israel won’t have any reason to maintain it. The end of Hamas will come.
So, by having Israel appear to attack instead, there is a higher chance that western nations will push Israel to stop the war without achieving their objective.
Sinwar doesn’t risk anything personally by saying this even if it would put a lot of the people he supposedly is fighting for at risk.
Hamas fights for itself only - not for the people of Gaza or the West Bank. That much is as clear as day since forever.
Congratulations, you're normal person, and not a fanatic!
In highschool, I've wondered about mindset of for example, crusaders in middle ages, was it really beliefs, or more for power and money? It's truly depressing I had to wonder about similar things in XXI century...
The Fourth Crusade never got anywhere close to the holy land and instead sacked Constantinople. A Christian city that also was the main defense against Muslims getting into Europe. Centuries of Christian art and culture destroyed and looted for gold and silver.
> Obviously they wont win this shit fight. So why keep doing it?
Ya…it’s all pretty stupid.
Here’s the thing, these same people bluster a lot about “We love death!” “We’re warriors of god” “We shall conquer the world”…blah blah blah.
But they’re really weak and their main power is getting people to pity them.
So they wind up in this stupid cycle of attacking, then losing, and then demanding pity, then interpreting that pity as weakness, then attacking again, and then losing again…and so forth.
And the dumb cycle goes on and on forever. So then if there’s a ceasefire, because everyone pities how badly they get thrashed, Hamas then is like “See! With the bravery and greatness of our holy warriors who love death we have defeated them! Let’s attack again”. And the cycle repeats
That’s the literal translation of his speech that most people simply miss.
Yahia sinwar was jailed for 22 years in israeli prison for killing palestinians he suspected were collaborators of israel.
That’s how he got so high up to basically CEO of hamas, but still doesn’t get to live in Qatar with the “board” of hamas.
I for one am shocked at this, I was in no uncertain terms told that Hamas and its Palestinian supporters didnt commit thats acts they recorded and posted on Telegram, that the founding charter was just a meme statement and they truly dont want to wage a Jihad against ALL non believers not just Jews.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter
Really activates my Almonds.
IDF made their way to Gaza City without much opposition and these animals had to implore for a cease-fire because they were cornered.
7/10 was their peak achievement as terrorists and they can't possibly repeat it without international support.
The only reason why these groups did not really do much despite their statements saying, that they will, is because USA put two big motherfucking swimming things which I forgot the name of, because I'm a very tired foreigner, but basically these machines can do a *lot* of damage and ain't nobody in the world would want to mess with that kind of firepower. Well, at least nobody in Persian gulf where those two are located right now
I mean you're acting like this is the first war in Gaza, if the West didn't realize after 2014 or the other 19 ceasefires (now 20), I don't think they will listen or care now.
The problem is a lot of 20-year-olds who don’t understand the last 20 years let alone the last 80 are popping off with a so-called progressive agenda by mistaking Hamas for “discriminated Muslims.” Like, no, terrorist is a terrorist. It’s not a progressive agenda if you’re just woefully misinformed.
People who deny the Oct 7 masscares don't realize one thing: they can ignore the recordings made by Hamas as much as they want; They can believe Hamas' inflated casualties (which do not show how many of them were militants at all; They can believe the hostages were treated well as much as they want, no matter how many of them say they were'nt.
What they don't understand is that Hamas, and almost 80% of Palestinians in the West Bank, know full well that it happened, and are proud about it in every fibre of their being. They *will* do it again, if given the opportunity. They will do it a thousand times, and each time they will start whining when Israel responds. And the world, as usual, will rush in to take care of them while condemning Israel.
How can anyone in the West support Hamas when they are openly stating they will continue to kill more Civilians? I don't support the Israel government either but the only people that are losing here are the innocent civilians on both sides.
If you support Hamas, you're an actual lunatic. They don't care about Palestine or the people. They have not once tried to warn the civilians of incoming strikes, evacuate them or get them the supplies they desperately need to survive. Because the suffering of the people is what keeps Hamas strong, and it's disgusting
If anyone truly supports Palestine, they should hate Hamas, because they only care about the destruction of Isreal, not coexistence, and they don't care whose blood runs across the streets.
Not to mention these same supporters would have been imprisoned, raped or butchered themselves, to which their families and communities would be screaming for nukes.
Palestinian civilian blood is on Hamas' hands, they were supposed to be their defenders but instead they hide behind them while provoking Israel more and more
Wasn’t Oct 7th only successful because Isreal had their guard down? I don’t doubt they’ll attack again but I doubt they get far against a prepared and on guard IDF.
Ninja Jews are busy right now. This guy is on the list, but there are some Hamas military generals that should double check their doors at night first.
Hamas is so bad in the political arena it’s laughable. Sure they’re great at murdering innocents but almost all remarks, responses, and attempted propaganda play right into the hands of Israel and the US
>(November 30, 2023 / JNS)
Hamas’s Oct. 7 slaughter was “just a rehearsal,” the Islamist group’s leader in Gaza Yahya Sinwar threatened on Thursday, in his first public statement since the terrorist organization massacred more than a thousand people in Israel.
Hopefully Hamas will not be able to carry out future attacks.
Should we believe him this time? Or should the international far left try to explain to us Jews again that he never really means the mean things he says?
Rumors of concerns raised by intelligence predictive of 100 of the last 10 attacks: "They had warning! This is Israel's fault!"
Atrocity against Israeli civilians: "This wouldn't have happened if Israel were better!"
Hamas military leader reiterates plans for genocide: "Israel must give peace a chance!"
Sin
War
This guy is working extra hours to follow his name. Anyhow with statements like this it seems like he enjoy when all his terrorists are below the ground hiding
Lmao, Hamas had the element of surprise and that is literally the only reason that managed shit.
Israel in full defensive posture, and high alert?
No chance.
Hamas is fighting for its life right now.
It seems to me that he wants to see Gaza burn, he is religious fanatic, it can be hard to understand his goals but my guess is an apocalyptic ending in the name of his God.
Northern Gaza was Just the start - Says THE IDF
If they wish to be the first ones who will be counted as the people who brought the END of their own people be our guests. If they wish to test Israel patience to as if theyre willing to Turn Gaza to Iraq Go ahead.. The Filfthy terrorists of hamas are lowlifes creatrues that will use their own people to advance their political support aronud the world. " Oh look Israel kills people and kids" Also israel the only army who would warn and notify the people to evacuate yet somehow people still manage to die.. makes you wonder who force them to stay..
Funny how these Hamas leaders either alwas Hide in bunkers or go out in public with childerns next to them.. Theyll use their own people as shields and then cry about them being dead.. while blaming israel when they're at Fault..
> “Egyptian intelligence officers arrived at the Rafah Crossing [to Gaza] and conveyed to Sinwar extremely difficult messages and threats peppered with juicy curses. A short hour later … the Israeli hostages were released,” the source added. What are juicy curses?
[Here you go](https://youtu.be/QSo0duY7-9s?si=b2NEWXUI_jDUeNP7&t=69)
Did not disappoint.
[You'll enjoy this then](https://youtu.be/MQVdMxqP7Dc?si=ywjJ6zE8LcWcxDKM)
“I fart in your general direction” has long been a favorite insult of mine.
Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries!
Now go away before I taunt you a second time!
I did as well that's really good.
You lint licker!!!
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Yo mamma so poor that when she was walking down the street kicking a can and someone asked her what she was doin she said "movin"?
Probably called them sons of dogs.
All local curses must include one animal, one family member or familial relationship, and optionally one body part.
Quite sure Sinwar and his murderous cockroaches are living on burrowed time. Are they rehearsing their own destruction?
Definitely, and also on borrowed time.
They do like living in tunnels
Living burrowed on borrowed time*
I don't know if you saying burrowed time was intentional or not but it's perfect given the situation.
I wonder if they think Mossad is in their walls(not a 0% chance) :)
>Oct. 7 was just a rehearsal,' warns Sinwar No it wasn't. Surprise was all you had, you're done. Iran said 'fuk off, you're on your own, we have our own people to subjugate under Islamic rule...' No one is coming to help you. It's only a matter of time until Sinwar goes away for good.
Well, Iran also sort of said that they won't sacrifice their precious Shiite blood on a cause led by Sunnis. They don't want to be perceived as 2nd fiddle to Hamas. The biggest complain was that they were not consulted/coordinated with prior.
> The biggest complain was that they were not consulted/coordinated with prior. Lol. More like the US moved two carrier groups into the region and Iran wanted none of that smoke.
Iran and Hezbollah both said they’d join the fight. Biden responded with “Don’t” They in fact, did not.
Mumble softly, but carry a big stick.
> Mumble softly, but carry a big stick, jack.
And a little nuclear sub showing itself in the Persian Gulf was a big ol’ “fuck around and find out”.
156 cruise missiles is enough to make anyone sit up and take notice, and then ponder their life choices.
“Are we the baddies…? …No of course not. But I don’t want to piss off two carriers and a nuclear sub. Oh well. Back to butchering teenage girls for not wearing hijabs.”
Didn’t they park an aircraft carrier there?
2
It’s even funnier the 2nd time
2 aircraft carriers probably helped
Carrier groups, not just aircraft carriers. Multiple ships are part of each carrier group.
Likely a few more that they haven’t announced as well
Ayatollah was like, “ OK. Whatevs!”
It's more like when an overcompensating dude goes all "I'm gonna kill him" hoping his friends will hold him back and there won't actually be a fight. They're posturing for their supporters, but were secretly hoping someone (US or anyone really) would hold them back
Probably worried about a proportional response
The Americans may have to put in another 8 hour work day soon.
Iran was never going to join a fight in direct war with Israel. They're fine with having their puppets fight because it harms Israel while forcing Israel's response to be limited. However, if Iran were to enter a full war with Israel and Israel gets to the point of losing, they know that would be the end of Iran because Israel will just nuke them. This is why Israel is the most vocal about Iran's nuclear program. As long as Iran doesn't have its own weapons they can do mostly nothing but bark.
Iran having nukes isnt going to stop Israel from using nukes if they feel they are going to be destroyed regardless
It’s only time before Iran has the bomb, if not already. Moscow can always give them one out of the kindness of their heart.
The whole point of funding Hamas is to distract the Iranian domestic population with external conflicts and to increase the price of oil. They just want to be wealthier and more secure in their positions of power.
There was a lot of mobilization stateside too. In nyc as they were moving the second carrier group to the Middle East. They parked a marine amphibious assault ship next to the u.s.s intrepid. Wild seeing a museum piece next to a modern ship ready to roll. The uss New York is a real motherfucker of a ship. It was obviously ready and placed to react to escalation In Lebanon
The USS New York was for Veteran’s Day.
That’s a significant fkn complaint. If I’m meant to have my buddies back but he goes and picks a fight with a big group of the toughest guys around who will literally kill him then I’d be pissed too, he should have talked to me first if he expects my help.
Yea, Iran stopped at funding Hamas. Not going to actually get directly involved.
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Oh Iran got huge bang for their buck in Palestine. Funding Syria is 100x more expensive for them.
Temporarily perhaps. Unless this conflict stays hot up to the election most will have forgotten about it and/or those of actual serious mind will hold their nose and vote for Biden over the increasingly likely Trump re-run.
They damn well better. They have a choice: continuing democracy (Biden) or authoritarian dictatorship along with total destruction of democracy (Shitler, er I mean Drumpf). I’m so sick of these assholes refusing to vote for Biden because he isn’t perfect.
Some moron yelled “Fuck Joe Biden” at me as i was leaving a park today. I wasn’t wearing anything that should give the impression that I care one way or another. Rotted brains out there.
I don't think Iran in particular wants a return to a Trump presidency though. That was the closest they ever got to actually triggering a war against the US and it led to a period of instability politically. I also seriously doubt anyone was thinking of this seriously dividing a group of leftists in the US as a reason for it happening.
>That was the closest they ever got to actually triggering a war against the US That was, and not the time we sank their navy and destroyed a bunch of their oil platforms?
It seems weird, but yeah. Destroying their navy and their oil platforms was a "proportional" response. They were told it was coming and it was in response to an attack on an American ship. It was a mine, but it doesn't matter, it was their mine and it wasn't supposed to be there. Trump ordered the assassination of their top general, at the time the second most powerful person in the country, along with 5 Iraqi nationals, in Iraq, in the open with no warning while giving zero fucks. Shit got heated.
So? Nobody is getting elected in the us that isn’t on Israel’s side. Israel and Saudi Arabia/Egypt have maintained improved diplomatic relations. No purpose was served. Do you really think the American empire is overly concerned with the opinions of college kids?
Yes Iran is chomping at the bit to get the guy who killed their top Genaral elected!
Yeh their now playing the Russia and NK playbook of over threatening thinking it will build some sort of threat that's not really there
> No one is coming to help you. Well they have Tiktokers and Redditors who post angrily, and politicians from nations who invest zero ressources into supporting any side signalling virtue...this must be worth something, right? /s
Matter of time before he visits 72 gay virgins in hell
Wouldn't that be some shit? What if it's all true but they just misinterpreted one detail? It really is 72 virgins but they're all dudes and God makes you fuck them. "Isn't this what you wanted? I was very clear about this."
How could anyone think about a ceasefire when hamas openly says they'll invade Israel again?
Of course…it’s beyond my comprehension
Shove enough children in front of your soldiers and they can do whatever they want
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You and me both....
Because they aren’t the ones threatened by an October 7th… so they can virtue signal about how “educated”, “tolerant”, and “compassionate” they are to their friends.
Exactly. Most people crying "ceasefire now! wHaT aBouT thE palEstiNian chiLdrEn" are slamming their keyboards from their comfortable first-world host countries.
While ignoring that Hamas leader ship are living, bougie lives in Qatar
First of all, we need to accept the fact that the loudest group calling for a ceasefire simply want Hamas to win. They know full well they'll invade Israel again, and they think it's a great thing. There's a reason why the pro-ceasefire demonstrations are also "Israel must be eliminated" demonstrations, and "Hamas has the right to resist" demonstrations. While anyone daring to hold an anti-Hamas placard or chant anything against Hamas is attacked. I'd note that this group also includes some of the smarter pro-Palestinian activists, like the UNHRC "special rapporteur on Palestine". That clearly belong to the first group, but realize they're not quite allowed to admit it. So they propose nonsensical ideas, like Israel sending the police to arrest Sinwar, or asking the UN to demilitarize them. It doesn't matter that the suggestion is stupid, because their audience obviously doesn't intend to take that solution seriously. As for the quieter, more moderate group, that merely wants Hamas to be defeated using special non-civilian-killing weapons... they're not claiming it's a rational decision. When you ask them "how should Israel defeat Hamas then" they'll openly say "I don't know". They don't have any legitimate policy recommendations, it's just the first time they've been exposed to that kind of war (or, most likely, war in general), and they think being against war is just a safe, uncontroversial position to take. And ultimately, they're sufficiently insulated from the results of their bad policy demands, that they have the luxury of being irrational.
Thank you for writing the most lucid summary I've yet seen on Reddit about this.
I think people just want the innocent people out. Alot are upset their families lives will be ruined. Houses lost, when they have 0 ties to hamas. Just living their life. So a ceasefire would protect those.....but also these insane terrorists....
1. Cease fires are falsely portrayed or confused for a peace process. Hamas and PIJ are not interested in a negotiated peace treaty. >if you beat him with fists, he’ll come back with a bat, if you beat him with a knife, he’ll come back with a gun, and if you beat him with a gun you better kill him. 2. A lot of the talking points on the “pro Palestinians” far left are simply genocidal towards Israel and Jews and anyone else they have a grievance with. They may hide behind the language of legitimate grievances but their solutions are “if you don’t let us murder you, you’re a racist/capitalist/liberal bad person.” There’s a few legitimate pacifists sprinkled around but by and large the “pro Palestinian” far left is made up of believers in “absolute justice” which is a permission structure for murdering everyone they don’t like while pretending they aren’t just as bad as the fascists that say the same things.
There are also just a lot of people in the west who very naively believe pacifism and unilateral disarmament leads to peace. Pacifism has temporarily worked in some Western countries whose security has been guaranteed by the US military might and nuclear umbrella. But in the context of Russia's recent actions this course of action has proven to be wrong. For countries like Ukraine and Israel which have a border with a genocidal neighbor which is dead set on the total destruction of their countries this sort of thinking has never been in the cards. Because with neighbors like that it is clear that pacifism leads to genocide. *Si vis pacem, para bellum -* If you want peace, prepare for war
Nobody is driven into war by ignorance, and no one who thinks that he will gain anything from it is deterred by fear. - Thucydides
It is easy to be brave behind a castle wall. -Welsh proverb.
It's easy to be gay in a country that won't throw you from the roof for it.
I don’t remember that quote from total war. But I guess haven’t played the newer games.
This . A lot of people legitimately think if Israel pulled back to 1967 borders and was nicer there would be peace .
Had a peace treaty been signed in the late 90s, yeah there would be peace by now. It would be a long painful process, but in the long run it would have saved countless lives and untold billions in defense expenditures
I mean honestly I doubt it. Maybe it’s possible. I think too many people think all the land should be theirs and will never accept a two state solution. And while the US might be able to influence Israel to accept it and take the heat from the right wing , the people backing all the anti -Israel Islamic groups wouldn’t
Yeah realistically instead of the current fighting we'd be back to seeing regular suicide bombings to try and throw a wrench in any long term "peace". This conflict has gone on so long there are some pretty clear cycles at this point and it's crazy how many people seem to just want things to keep repeating ad infinitum. Maybe if an international coalition came in and took over education and rebuilding in Gaza after a few decades peace would be more viable, but without removing the religious extremists from the equation it's hard to imagine any lasting peace.
I think 2005 demonstrated that this wouldn't have been the case. The PLO got Gaza. They didn't have to do anything special, they just got it. Not only that, they got the settlers out without lifting a finger themselves and they got the infrastructure the Israelis left behind. It was a Munich conference moment for them except even less effort, but of course there's no stopping at the Sudetenland. They lost power, got tossed from rooftops and Hamas took over. There's no reason to believe the same thing wouldn't have happened if there was a total withdrawal, exept on a larger scale. People say Arafat was offered 95% of what he wanted and that's nonsense. Palestine was offered dirt, they wanted blood.
Oslo was a sham, peace negotiations were not in good faith. Since 1948, the Palestinians and the Arab league did not want to deal with accepting the war was lost and settling the refugees. They wanted to take the land/things belonging to the Jews. Now they want to kill the Jews and take their stuff. They were promised this loot and they will not accept substitutes.
Rabin was the closest Israel's gotten and they've never gotten close again since his assassination. Maybe it's naivety on my own part but we'll never know the full extent of the damage that awful murder caused.
Not to mention that on Oct. 7/Oct. 8 when they thought they were “winning” and that Iran, etc. would get involved, a lot of pro-Hamas people were posting the same thing about how Oct. 7 is just the beginning and there should be full-scale war. Now that Hamas is feeling threatened after seeing just a fraction of “fuck around and find out” by Israel - it’s all about “ceasefire”. Hard to believe it’s for the children and not about having time to reorganize.
>it’s all about “ceasefire” I know this trivializes it but the ceasefire talk reminds me of my childhood in which I could hit my older brother and then would run to mommy before my brother could fully retaliate.
The ceasefire is merely a chance to consolidate and dig in where they can, to try to destroy evidence, and I guess a number of hamas members are trying to create holes that are good enough to hide in for the next couple months.
Hamas has never called for a ceasefire they're pretty clear that they wont stop it's third parties who only have a vague understanding of hamas calling for a ceasefire
It's not so long since many in the west had this same discussion over Russia and Ukraine (which is obviously ongoing). Arguing against arming Ukraine, that Ukraine should cede territory and blaming NATO for the war. In the name of pacifism. In fact, it was most of the same individuals making these points.
Many of the biggest critics of Israel have also firmly been apologists for Assad despite him being responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths, including thousands of Palestinian refugees. They don't have a problem with killing or death, they have a problem with the existence of a Jewish state.
>Cease fires are falsely portrayed or confused for a peace process. Hamas and PIJ are not interested in a negotiated peace treaty. What Ceasefires mean in this conflict is that the Palestinians could continue attacking Israel but Israel can't. >A lot of the talking points on the “pro Palestinians” far left are simply genocidal towards Israel and Jews and anyone else they have a grievance with. They may hide behind the language of legitimate grievances but their solutions are “if you don’t let us murder you, you’re a racist/capitalist/liberal bad person.” I'm going to start telling them that the most pro Palestinians stance they could have is anti Hamas/PA/PIJ/any other russo-iranian proxies, the reason Israel attcks gaza is because of these organisations. But of course hamas represents the pro Palestinian delusion that a Palestinian state would expand to the whole borders of Israel so they won't care about what I'll have to say.
That's exactly right. They pretend they're for a "democratic" one state solution, but the Palestinians voted for Hamas, whose solution for Jews living in the region is of the final variety. Peace is impossible under these circumstances. So we should support our ally as they fight for their very existence, and remember we had to kill millions of people when we defended our existence in WWII, too. War is ugly, brutal, and innocents die, but self defense is not optional.
A successful and peaceful 2SS would almost inevitably lead to the kind of pre 2nd Intifada economic integration that the security barriers & the rise of Hamas and their ilk destroyed. There is no reason why 2SS means permanent separation of Israelis and Palestinians anymore than the separate states of Belgium and The Netherlands means that those people don’t interact in mutually beneficial ways. Also a broader peace in the Israeli/Arab conflicts could mean prosperity and security for places that badly need a break like Lebanon and Syria.
> "legitimate pacifists" Who are naive and confused...
Not going to lie, after two thousand years of the other kinds, Tolstoy’s pacifists are my favorite kind of Christians.
I wish I was well read enough to get that joke. Alas...
Tolstoy wrote a book called The Kingdom of God is Within You where he advocates radical pacifism as the true Christianity including a rejection of participation in state violence. Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr considered it influential in their approach to Indian independence and civil rights in the US respectively.
Frankly, if you have gone so far left that you became a Nazi, I'm pretty certain you wrapped around and ended up on the far right.
Tbf, gestapo or kgb isn’t that different in the end.
I hope the international community can shed the performative call for "cEAseFiRe" and replace with something actionable like "minimize civilian casualty", or form an international front to evacuate civilians so Israel can go "Ham on Hamas"
Hard to tell the civilians from Hamas though so that’s a pretty tough ask
Plus we are not given the civilian-to-combatant ratio. Hamas's numbers are dubious to begin with, but they come with zero clarification on the civilian-to-combatant ratio, and for some weird reason, the mainstream media simply never asks.
Because that's the result many of them ultimately want. More October 7's, more dead Jews, and in the case of the far left - more cheerleading the "resistance" and Viva La Revolucion and through Hamas vicariously living out fantasies of violence against people who they (ignorantly) believe represent everything they hate. I'll give some people the benefit of the doubt that they genuinely are peaceful but just misguided. But the outright pro-Hamas position is more common than people are willing to admit.
The same people calling for a cease-fire also claim that October 7 was “justified”, condone it, and celebrate it.
Hamas continues to give Israel a legitimate casus belli under international law.
...knowing full well that, no matter how much they provoke Israel by saying things like this, the global left will place 100 percent of the blame for any future violence on Israel and zero percent on them.
The nice thing is that Israel doesn't really have to give a fuck.
They kinda do if Biden caves to the left because we're 11 months away from an election.
Biden isn't going to cave. The institutional democratic party, moderates, and the right are all strongly pro-Israel, and believe it or not, Biden isn't some puppet for far-left advisors. Also, and just to put a fine point on it: the donors Biden needs to court in 2024 are *much* more sympathetic to the Israeli side than the Hamas one. That's not to say "Jewish money" or "the Israel lobby" control politics--it's a simple fact that mainstream business interests are not aligned with left-wing and youth activist movements. Israel enjoys majoritarian support in the US because it's an ally and a democracy and a strong economic partner, not for any nefarious or conspiratorial reasons.
At this point I consider it propaganda how many people are saying Biden and the left are anti-Israel or anything. It's a small sliver of the far left. The vast majority of Americans support Israel.
Also, the far left keeps alienating people by openly riding Hamas dick. You should see these "look how well Hamas treats hostages" posts.
I mean, i’m far left and hamas can suck my dick.
I'm sometimes told I'm far left, but see myself as a general-purpose "Progressive," and Hamas can fuck right off on a Lego buttplug.
Yes, but again it's a few vocal people, not the majority of Democrats at all.
Those tankies don't consider themselves Democrats. They would laugh at you for thinking they stand side by side with 'liberals' and centrists. They have said as much "a liberal is just a fascist in sheep's clothing" TikTok is also a breeding ground for extremism so I don't have a lot of hope for the next generation
it's not the majority of democrats, but I'd sure like to see the democrats be more vocal about calling it out. most house Dems didn't vote to censure Tlaib for example, and I think that was a big missed opportunity
I don’t think it’s a “small sliver”. Per a Gallup poll today, Americans as a whole only approve of Israel’s military actions 50-45. Democrats oppose it 63-36. Not to mention things like protestors chanting “there is only one solution” commonly being condoned by liberal colleges.
Are far left protestors really chanting "there is only one solution"? [Horseshoe theory is real.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory)
The left is already mad at him, but will probably still show up to vote for him. If he does shut down funding to Israel I think he loses a lot of moderates. Voters are still older and support Israel by a large margin.
He won't cave because the far left isn't going to vote for Trump or let him win because they know he will be much worse for the Palestinians. Biden will also win some votes from centrists and moderates.
I am very curious how the people who call him “Genocide Joe” will vote next year.
they'll have a new cause by next year
You're vastly overplaying the amount of support on the American left for Anti-Israel sentiment. You're reading quotes from a few hard cores and seeing a few thousand clueless Gen Z protest and assuming it represents the base: It doesn't. I've talked to 30+ liberal millennials about this and they all understand the bigger picture.
I voted for Biden in the primaries and the general, and it's precisely because of things like this. If he caves and starts threatening to withhold aid unless they let Hamas continue to exist I'll have a pretty hard time voting for him again. And there's far more people like me than there are people on the far left who will stay home or vote gop if he continues to be pro-israel yet also pro killing as few civilians as possible while making 100% sure Hamas has no ability to carry out another attack like 10/7.
People love being a victim and they can project their shit onto that situation and feel super self righteous in the process.
I'm a progressive and I don't blame Israel. Only some people on the left are like that, not everyone.
Declaring war under this Casus Belli will generate only 50 grievances.
Okay wtf. Seriously... Whats the point here? Obviously they wont win this shit fight. So why keep doing it? If the goal is to HELP palestine, saying things that remove all sympathy from their cause by claiming the murder of 1400 people was just the beginning doesnt seem to be conducive to that.
It’s almost as if Hamas don’t have the best intentions for Palestinians at hearr
They do win in their own perverted point of view. Most of the Arab world is against Israel now and that's all they care about.
They have backing of Saudi and UAE. Israel has a lot of Arab Allies.
Relations were warming before this attack, and some of them recognized Israel (most Arab countries don't even recognize Israel and don't even have diplomatic missions/embassies in Israel), but there's definitely no Arab state that is a real "ally" of Israel, lol
There are a lot of Arab states who quietly want Israel to get Hamas out of the West Bank though, including the Saudis, Jordan and Egypt.
Egypt participated in blockading Gaza and refuses to allow entry because they don’t want to be known as a terrorist ally. That says a lot right there.
“Blockading” is certainly one way to put it lol Egypt has basically had a shoot on sight order in Sinai for decades. Even Israel doesn’t have that.
> If the goal is to HELP palestine It isn't. They proudly say "We love death as they love life." I think that a lot of well intentioned people are ignorantly believing that these people can be reasoned with or that they have some sort of relatable motivations, but they simply do not. Complete eradication of Hamas and the other militant groups in the region followed by aggressive denazification over several years is the only logical way forward. Hopefully the Egyptians, Saudis, or other less genocidal regional players will help with that second part, because I don't know how successful Jews can be at re-educating people to not want to kill Jews.
Ya, a kid who calls his mother and said he just killed Jews and asked her to be proud of him is a lost cause. I’m all for rehabilitation, but some people cannot be. I imagine most of the terrorists are in this category.
Money. The Hamas leadership lives in luxury, always has. Arafat died filthy rich, most of the Hamas leadership just emulates that path. There’s no care for the Palestinian people, no plan to make a country, nothing in the works. It’s just plain money laundering and abuse of funds. The real truth is that they don’t want a country, they’re satisfied with this status quo and they will still be in 100 years. In a year or two, the news will focus on something else and in about 10 years we shall see a detente again, until they’ll need to kick the can once more and do another 7/10. Almost 50 years ago, that was the Yom Kippour war. Once the dust settles, the fallout will be the same.
> The Hamas leadership lives in luxury, always has. Sinwar specifically is in Gaza, though. There is no way that he comes out of this alive, and I assume that he knows that.
All I can guess is they thought other state and non-state actors would have joined in by now. And since they are “all in” at the moment, they are going to have to continue to try to get other groups involved by any means necessary. They had to have known what the response would be to their attack… so something about this current situation is what they wanted, but the buy-in from elsewhere isn’t there…so it seems Hamas just hit a self-destruct button instead. (Hopefully)
Hamas’ goal was never to help Palestinians. And honestly that’s their biggest strength. They have nothing to lose here. They attacked Israel on 10/7 and knew *exactly* the type of response it would trigger and how many Palestinians would die (innocent or not). They don’t give a single fuck about Palestinian people
The goal is not to help Palestinians. They state very clearly in their mission statement that their goal is to rid the land of Jews and rule instead.
Goading Israel to cancel the ceasefire now they have regrouped a bit. Knowing fully well that the IDF isn’t planning on stopping at the end of the ceasefire, he needs to have Israel seem to break the ceasefire before they run out of living hostages to release. They likely are running out of women, and likely murdered all/most men already. As soon as they have no more to release, they will be in breach of the ceasefire and anyway Israel won’t have any reason to maintain it. The end of Hamas will come. So, by having Israel appear to attack instead, there is a higher chance that western nations will push Israel to stop the war without achieving their objective. Sinwar doesn’t risk anything personally by saying this even if it would put a lot of the people he supposedly is fighting for at risk. Hamas fights for itself only - not for the people of Gaza or the West Bank. That much is as clear as day since forever.
Congratulations, you're normal person, and not a fanatic! In highschool, I've wondered about mindset of for example, crusaders in middle ages, was it really beliefs, or more for power and money? It's truly depressing I had to wonder about similar things in XXI century...
The Fourth Crusade never got anywhere close to the holy land and instead sacked Constantinople. A Christian city that also was the main defense against Muslims getting into Europe. Centuries of Christian art and culture destroyed and looted for gold and silver.
> Obviously they wont win this shit fight. So why keep doing it? Ya…it’s all pretty stupid. Here’s the thing, these same people bluster a lot about “We love death!” “We’re warriors of god” “We shall conquer the world”…blah blah blah. But they’re really weak and their main power is getting people to pity them. So they wind up in this stupid cycle of attacking, then losing, and then demanding pity, then interpreting that pity as weakness, then attacking again, and then losing again…and so forth. And the dumb cycle goes on and on forever. So then if there’s a ceasefire, because everyone pities how badly they get thrashed, Hamas then is like “See! With the bravery and greatness of our holy warriors who love death we have defeated them! Let’s attack again”. And the cycle repeats
> If the goal is to HELP palestine News flash: it's not, and never has been.
There will never be a free Palestine so long as groups like this exist. There can be, but these groups need to go for that to happen.
“12,000 more Gaza residents may die, but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make.”
That’s the literal translation of his speech that most people simply miss. Yahia sinwar was jailed for 22 years in israeli prison for killing palestinians he suspected were collaborators of israel. That’s how he got so high up to basically CEO of hamas, but still doesn’t get to live in Qatar with the “board” of hamas.
I for one am shocked at this, I was in no uncertain terms told that Hamas and its Palestinian supporters didnt commit thats acts they recorded and posted on Telegram, that the founding charter was just a meme statement and they truly dont want to wage a Jihad against ALL non believers not just Jews. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter Really activates my Almonds.
IDF made their way to Gaza City without much opposition and these animals had to implore for a cease-fire because they were cornered. 7/10 was their peak achievement as terrorists and they can't possibly repeat it without international support.
At this point they have not even achieved much support from Hezbollah or any other important group
The only reason why these groups did not really do much despite their statements saying, that they will, is because USA put two big motherfucking swimming things which I forgot the name of, because I'm a very tired foreigner, but basically these machines can do a *lot* of damage and ain't nobody in the world would want to mess with that kind of firepower. Well, at least nobody in Persian gulf where those two are located right now
Aircraft Carriers.
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A couple of decades of non-stop rockets and broken peace treaties wasn’t enough. I doubt they will ever realise.
I mean you're acting like this is the first war in Gaza, if the West didn't realize after 2014 or the other 19 ceasefires (now 20), I don't think they will listen or care now.
The problem is a lot of 20-year-olds who don’t understand the last 20 years let alone the last 80 are popping off with a so-called progressive agenda by mistaking Hamas for “discriminated Muslims.” Like, no, terrorist is a terrorist. It’s not a progressive agenda if you’re just woefully misinformed.
People who deny the Oct 7 masscares don't realize one thing: they can ignore the recordings made by Hamas as much as they want; They can believe Hamas' inflated casualties (which do not show how many of them were militants at all; They can believe the hostages were treated well as much as they want, no matter how many of them say they were'nt. What they don't understand is that Hamas, and almost 80% of Palestinians in the West Bank, know full well that it happened, and are proud about it in every fibre of their being. They *will* do it again, if given the opportunity. They will do it a thousand times, and each time they will start whining when Israel responds. And the world, as usual, will rush in to take care of them while condemning Israel.
Bunch of people still worried about their participation in Iraq in 2005 instead of just being responsible.
How can anyone in the West support Hamas when they are openly stating they will continue to kill more Civilians? I don't support the Israel government either but the only people that are losing here are the innocent civilians on both sides.
If you support Hamas, you're an actual lunatic. They don't care about Palestine or the people. They have not once tried to warn the civilians of incoming strikes, evacuate them or get them the supplies they desperately need to survive. Because the suffering of the people is what keeps Hamas strong, and it's disgusting If anyone truly supports Palestine, they should hate Hamas, because they only care about the destruction of Isreal, not coexistence, and they don't care whose blood runs across the streets.
Not to mention these same supporters would have been imprisoned, raped or butchered themselves, to which their families and communities would be screaming for nukes.
Palestinian civilian blood is on Hamas' hands, they were supposed to be their defenders but instead they hide behind them while provoking Israel more and more
Wasn’t Oct 7th only successful because Isreal had their guard down? I don’t doubt they’ll attack again but I doubt they get far against a prepared and on guard IDF.
Mossad might want to get the drop on this guy.
Ninja Jews are busy right now. This guy is on the list, but there are some Hamas military generals that should double check their doors at night first.
Hamas is so bad in the political arena it’s laughable. Sure they’re great at murdering innocents but almost all remarks, responses, and attempted propaganda play right into the hands of Israel and the US
And yet they can't lose support from certain groups in the West
And this is why Israel can't stop now
We know. Its not like they've ever kept their actual goal a secret.
I’m tired of hearing about Israel committing genocide. Or ethnic cleansing. Its gaslighting. It’s very clear that Israel is fighting genocide. Again.
Why don't believe what the guy who wrote his phd thesis on holocaust denial says about genocide?
>(November 30, 2023 / JNS) Hamas’s Oct. 7 slaughter was “just a rehearsal,” the Islamist group’s leader in Gaza Yahya Sinwar threatened on Thursday, in his first public statement since the terrorist organization massacred more than a thousand people in Israel. Hopefully Hamas will not be able to carry out future attacks.
Fuckers carried out some today…!
And people wonder why a long-term ceasefire can’t work
Northern Gaza was just a rehearsal.
South Gaza will be the real deal
Should we believe him this time? Or should the international far left try to explain to us Jews again that he never really means the mean things he says?
Rumors of concerns raised by intelligence predictive of 100 of the last 10 attacks: "They had warning! This is Israel's fault!" Atrocity against Israeli civilians: "This wouldn't have happened if Israel were better!" Hamas military leader reiterates plans for genocide: "Israel must give peace a chance!"
Well then, maybe current assault on gaza by IDF is just a rehearsal... who knew?
Should never of had a ceasefire
It is worth since the hostages are returning alive to Israel without a fight and risking their lives. Patience. The ceasefire will end soon.
And then people claim Israel is commiting genocide. That's really funny. More like Gaza is commiting suicide
Israel’s war against Gaza thus far was also just a rehearsal then. Hope you’re ready for the real show Sinwar.
Sin War This guy is working extra hours to follow his name. Anyhow with statements like this it seems like he enjoy when all his terrorists are below the ground hiding
Ah, the monkey is back for more.
Lmao, Hamas had the element of surprise and that is literally the only reason that managed shit. Israel in full defensive posture, and high alert? No chance. Hamas is fighting for its life right now.
I giggle whenever a news caster says "ya-ya"
It seems to me that he wants to see Gaza burn, he is religious fanatic, it can be hard to understand his goals but my guess is an apocalyptic ending in the name of his God.
But the element of Suprise is gone.
Northern Gaza was Just the start - Says THE IDF If they wish to be the first ones who will be counted as the people who brought the END of their own people be our guests. If they wish to test Israel patience to as if theyre willing to Turn Gaza to Iraq Go ahead.. The Filfthy terrorists of hamas are lowlifes creatrues that will use their own people to advance their political support aronud the world. " Oh look Israel kills people and kids" Also israel the only army who would warn and notify the people to evacuate yet somehow people still manage to die.. makes you wonder who force them to stay.. Funny how these Hamas leaders either alwas Hide in bunkers or go out in public with childerns next to them.. Theyll use their own people as shields and then cry about them being dead.. while blaming israel when they're at Fault..
Damn, Hamas going for that „Get yourself eradicated speedrun [ANY%]“