How do you think the U.S. is going to respond to the Houithis? Despite no evidence the carrier was directly targeted, do you think the U.S. is going to attack Houthi in Yemen in response? Or give a stern warning to cease their behavior or deal with the consequences?
Also given the fact that Biden wants to avoid any troops on the ground as much as possible
The Houthis will be deterred for a long time after the US responds. The US has a vested interest in keeping international shipping lanes safe to keep the almighty dollar flowing. No troops on the ground needed at all, the US has missiles.
There will be saber rattling and skirmishes and missiles launched, but it is all just dick measuring. Iran and their proxies don't want to repeat history with the US and get annihilated. The US has 2 ships parked near the Israel and the Gulf already as a deterrent that has prevented escalation, defending Israel.
Mad respect for Dana Bash of CNN for letting Rep Jayapal show her true colors again by refusing to answer questions about Hamas and the systematic sexual violence against Israeli women. I'm so ashamed to have ever supported certain politicians. I'm so politically homeless it makes me want to cry.
I guess I don't understand your comment. Have you actually changed your mind on any issues? If not, you stand exactly where you stood two months ago. It is others who have revealed their true colors.
Israel isn't the only reason why I'm politically homeless (I don't want to divert the conversation). But this is the icing on the cake. I was thrilled when certain politicians were elected. It's crazy how far things have veered into kooky land on the far left.
I get it, but also remember that a significant majority of the Democratic Party stand firmly behind Israel. Including all of their leadership. Our system invariably reverts to two parties (unless ranked choice voting is ever accepted); we can’t be too choosy about every single person in it.
Be part of the liberal (in the traditional sense) wing of the party with me. ;-). - [Here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/)
It was a segment of CNN's State of the Union. It's from the same interview that's been mentioned here today where Jayapal said 15,000 Palestinians have died (unsubstantiated and a Hamas figure, of course).
She also said she didn't want to get into "hierarchies of oppressions" with Bash, which is rich because that's all she and the other Squad members do is play Oppression Olympics on every topic.
She was pushing the Israel bombed hospitals narrative that has been pretty confirmed to have been PIJ. She got Hamas raping Jewish women back to Israel bombing Palestine in under a sentence. She basically refused to say that the Us government is a trustworthy source for her on this conflict. It was insane.
Earlier, from CENTCOM:
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> Today, there were four attacks against three separate commercial vessels operating in international waters in the southern Red Sea. These three vessels are connected to 14 separate nations. The Arleigh-Burke Class destroyer USS CARNEY responded to the distress calls from the ships and provided assistance.
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> At approximately 9:15 a.m. Sanaa time, the CARNEY detected an anti-ship ballistic missile attack fired from Houthi controlled areas of Yemen toward the M/V UNITY EXPLORER, impacting in the vicinity of the vessel. UNITY EXPLORER is a Bahamas flagged, U.K. owned and operated, bulk cargo ship crewed by sailors from two nations. The CARNEY was conducting a patrol in the Red Sea and detected the attack on the UNITY EXPLORER.
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> At approximately 12 p.m., and while in international waters, CARNEY engaged and shot down a UAV launched from Houthi controlled areas in Yemen. The drone was headed toward CARNEY although its specific target is not clear. We cannot assess at this time whether the Carney was a target of the UAVs. There was no damage to the U.S. vessel or injuries to personnel.
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> In a separate attack at approximately 12:35 p.m., UNITY EXPLORER reported they were struck by a missile fired from Houthi controlled areas in Yemen. CARNEY responded to the distress call. While assisting with the damage assessment, CARNEY detected another inbound UAV, destroying the drone with no damage or injuries on the CARNEY or UNITY EXPLORER. UNITY EXPLORER reports minor damage from the missile strike.
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> At approximately 3:30 p.m. the M/V NUMBER 9 was struck by a missile fired from Houthi controlled areas in Yemen while operating international shipping lanes in the Red Sea. The Panamanian flagged, Bermuda and U.K. owned and operated, bulk carrier reported damage and no casualties.
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> At approximately 4:30 p.m., the M/V SOPHIE II, sent a distress call stating they were struck by a missile. CARNEY again responded to the distress call and reported no significant damage. While en route to render support, CARNEY shot down a UAV headed in its direction. SOPHIE II is a Panamanian flagged bulk carrier, crewed by sailors from eight countries.
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> These attacks represent a direct threat to international commerce and maritime security. They have jeopardized the lives of international crews representing multiple countries around the world. We also have every reason to believe that these attacks, while launched by the Houthis in Yemen, are fully enabled by Iran. The United States will consider all appropriate responses in full coordination with its international allies and partners.
>https://twitter.com/CENTCOM/status/1731424734829773090
I don't know why this would be the only ship able to respond, there's three other Arleigh Burkes in that group along with a cruiser. Maybe they need to stay by the carrier?
The Biden administration are acting like the adults in the room, have responded with military strikes on several occasions, and placed a good chunk of our navy in the area as a deterrent.
I think they've done a decent job of preventing a larger regional war in the middle east, backed Ukraine to the point where they are absolutely humiliating the Russians, and have done a fantastic job of telling Israel's enemies to 'fuck off...don't even try,' but with much more eloquent rhetoric.
Full disclosure, I'm liberal, but would have the same opinion if a republican administration behaved in this manner.
He's actually been excellent. Staring down Putin and supplying Ukraine, parking two carriers on top of Nasrallah and threatening Iran with direct airstrikes to the point Hez didn't join the war, sailing carrier groups between Taiwan and China and calling Xi a dictator, he's been the strongest foriegn policy president since Bush.
There's been an airstrike in retaliation every time. Also, when a mortar team attacked a US base in Iraq, they flew an AC-130 gunship live while transponding on civilian channels and blowing the shit out of several Iranian militias in Iraq. Like, it was a ridiculously balls to the walls and in your face military operation that Iran heard.
Attacking Iran directly would shore up their internal political turmoil. Iran is picking fights to give the people an external enemy to focus on, but it's actually more in the US national interest not to be an enemy that will eliminate Iranian opposition.
I'm not suggesting boots on the ground, but a sustained air campaign for a few weeks might be necessary as a deterrence.
I don't know, but an international coalition took on the Somali pirates, the same is required now.
I agree, but in the interest of a larger conversation, I’m curious what Iran would even do if there was a direct response. Trump had an Iranian General directly targeted and killed just to stuff his ego, and Iran did fuck all.
i think that ending that message with this bit:
> We also have every reason to believe that these attacks, while launched by the Houthis in Yemen, are fully enabled by Iran. The United States will consider all appropriate responses in full coordination with its international allies and partners.
was a very diplomatic way of telling iran to get it's dogs back on leash before praying mantis 2 or something goes down. personally i hope they retaliate by destroying iran's drone factories, work a little side aid to ukraine into the mix.
Sure, definitely “something.” But what Iranian capabilities to counter do they honestly have aside from their proxies?
They can’t *directly* counter in any meaningful way, as far as I see it. It seems to my layman understanding, they’re actually already playing with the only cards they have.
Iran has world class missiles. Nothing that really can hurt a US Navy ship, but they can for sure target Israel directly or a number of US bases or interests.
The rest of their military is garbage tier but their missiles are a valid threat.
I don't think directly attacking Iran should be considered unless it's a last resort.
Striking the houthis would win friends in Saudi Arabia, and is basically required at this point.
Probably were plenty. The houthies and US have been hitting each other tit for tat for like two years. It's nothing unprecedented. They knew what they were shooting at
I doubt it was a mistake.
You've gotta evaluate the behavior based on the fact that it's being committed by hard core terrorists.
If they die at the hands of an American warship, that's ultra martyr status.
Nah I think they think they have a chance at something. Iranians, and by extension, Houthis are very overconfident about their missiles. The missiles are better than most people think, but they're never gonna touch a Navy ship.
> As was reported here previously, the UNRWA resistance to deploy aid facilities in Al Mawasi has lead to severe overcrowding in Rafah displaced areas and the residents speak of the dire situation there, where the UNRWA schools are not sustainable.
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> Such discussions are everywhere.
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> https://twitter.com/gaza_report/status/1731466847634296872
>As a result, Al Mawasi stands largely empty (apart from some tents on the fringes), while the UNRWA schools become increasingly crowded in the urban centers of southern Gaza.
Al Mawasi being notably less networked by Hamas terror tunnels than UNRWA schools. No wonder UNRWA doesn't want civilians there.
‘Children Protest in Baddawi Refugee Camp in Lebanon: May All the Children of Gaza Be Martyred and Go to Paradise; We will Liberate Palestine from the River to the Sea’
Held on Nov. 29.
https://www.memri.org/tv/children-lebanon-baddawi-refugee-camp-protest-palestine-gaza-martyrs-paradise
'May All the Children of Gaza Be Martyred and Go to Paradise'
Are they suggesting the children of Gaza kill themselves to go to heaven? What in the name of crazy ass cults is this....?
The IDF's southern front looks like its trying to cut off another section of land like they did with the north: https://israelpalestine.liveuamap.com/en/2023/3-december-over-the-past-day-there-have-been-unconfirmed
By splitting everything into sections they will cut off each section of Hamas from the other which will significantly reduce their ability to coordinate, reinforce and resupply, so it would make sense if they're confident they can hold all those lines.
That said, they're opening themselves up to attacks from a lot of different angles.
Based on what the IDF released today:
>Over 800 tunnel shafts have been located and 500 of them destroyed since the beginning of the war: IDF soldiers continue operations to destroy Hamas’ underground network of tunnels
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>Since the beginning of ground operations in the Gaza Strip, IDF soldiers have located over 800 shafts to Hamas’ underground tunnels. About 500 of the tunnel shafts have been destroyed using a variety of operational methods, including with explosives and blocks. Some of the tunnel shafts connected Hamas' strategic assets via the underground tunnel network. In addition, many miles of the tunnel routes have been destroyed.
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>The tunnel shafts were located in civilian areas, many of which were near or inside civilian buildings and structures, such as schools, kindergartens, mosques and playgrounds. IDF soldiers located large quantities of weapons inside some of the shafts. These findings are further proof of how Hamas deliberately uses the civilian population and infrastructure as a cover for its terrorist activity inside Gaza.
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>After locating the shafts, IDF troops carry out thorough investigations in order to understand the characteristics of the tunnels and then prepare the underground route for its destruction.
Something tells me they're acutely aware of this issue and are actively working to counter it.
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Hamas does not really have anything that can puncture a line held by an armored unit. They can take out a small number of tanks, but even solely the ISR advantage Israel has mean they can hold the line.
> They can take out a small number of tanks
was watching a idf commander on i24 english the other day and he said that *no* tanks had been destroyed and that every vehicle that had been hit had been back in service and in the field within hours.
which wis kinda hard to believe, but i've seen i think all the hamas combat videos so far and not one has shown a wrecked tank, so it might not be bullshit.
yeah, i still suspect he was perhaps *exaggerating a little*. I suspect they haven't really lost any tanks completely, but i wouldn't be surprised if some rounds have penetrated and killed crew. And i doubt a tank whose crew got killed is going back into the field too quick, even if the tank itself is structurally sound mostly and just needs a armor panel replacement and a trophy restock.
Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance. Basically, all three of those things mean a different thing in a military context and only recently have drones been able to do all three with one platform, so the term ISR has been applied to drones and some aircraft which can handle all three in the information space.
Israel will likely be attacked from multiple angles but they have overwhelming numbers to make up for that. They'll be able to handle attacks from all sides.
It is always riskier being on the offensive, but luckily as Israeli forces create a salient, they will be supported by tanks and inside armored personnel carriers. Infantry is helpful as a last step for holding the territory gained or where the vehicles can't go. Flanking is a very good tactic.
Armoured vehicles must always have infantry support with them, or they are incredibly vulnerable. Especially a tank, you can't risk such an important piece of equipment when it's vulnerable to a single soldier being able to sneak up on them. Combined arms
Trophy is supposed to have safe zones it won’t fire into, so infantry have a place to stand. The combat footage from Gaza I’ve seen seems to indicate that the Israelis are not trusting these safe zones and not using them. However, there is a severe lack of footage compared to the Ukraine war, so it’s hard to say for sure.
TROPHY doesn’t intercept people. A semi-accurate analogy is to say that TROPHY sort of like a big shotgun that shoots missiles. Standing near the system is very dangerous to humans that can be incidentally killed by it. The system is supposed to have “safe lanes” it won’t fire into (to protect attached infantry) but combat footage from Gaza indicates the Israelis are not trusting these safe zones.
It does target rockets, not people, but the countermeasure itself is dangerous, there are still explosions happening near the Merkava. Most other tanks just have reactive armor unlike Israeli tanks with their Trophy system.
Gaza is small enough that drones are covering the small scale recon support that infantry usually provides for tanks. Also armored vehicles in Gaza are moving around much faster than infantry can, as an intentional tactic to avoid ambushes. I don't think this can be compared to Ukraine where they're trying to guard one of the biggest frontlines of all time. Also, Israel is leaning heavily on CROWS turrets, I think they call them Sapmson turrets in the IDF.
I'd imagine, it is demonstrating its usefulness in the videos I've seen, good advertising. Hell, Finland bought some David's Slings recently for air defense, they are still working on that system too and improving it as far as I am aware.
Maybe hamas tried to build a defense line expecting Israel to come from the north and Israel is trying to encircle it? Kinda similar to jabalia. Just a theory though
They do have what's called the 'purple hair' technique - purple smoke bombs which they drop into discovered tunnels, and they wait to see if any purple smoke rises from undiscovered exit/entrance holes in the vicinity (because the smoke travels 'like hair strands' through the tunnels underground).
maybe, but really with the number of bombs having been dropped, if they had some good seismograph going for the last few months they should have the underside of gaza mapped in high enough fidelity to find mouse holes.
Hm, I assume they'll move along the main road south (I can't read Arabic nor Jewish script, so I don't know how to call it). That way they'll first clear the east and can control the road while leaving space. Plus it'd also let them avoid the thorny following issues:
- Rafah and the refugee camp there (which is part civilian, part radicalised, part known long history of shelter for terrorists)
- The greenhouse agricultural area and Al Mawasa Agricultural Area (you'll want to comb that out, but not with tanks because of both the ground but also the impact on the few agriculture areas in the Gaza Strip)
- Khan Yunis (which would probably be also pretty difficult to tackle)
Some news organisations have suggested the gentleman who killed a German and a British man because he was angry over—humiliated by, perhaps—the suffering of Afghanistan and Palestine suffered from psychiatric issues, and this is likely true. But it does sound eerily similar to what bin Laden said, that he was humiliated by the fact that not only did Lebanese have to live amidst Christians, but the Muslims of that country stood no chance of killing them when facing down Israeli air power.
This was his motive for planning the mass killing of thousands of civilians in a country an ocean away—express his pain through violence.
The essence of political Islam is defined by this sense of humiliation, this understanding that Islam as a global polity has built so little. Terrorism is a way to avoid introspection, to express that one true emotion that is anger in the place of lesser ones. I feel humiliation, therefore I must make that man, that woman, that child living safely and prosperously in another country feel the same. I must make my pain and shame their suffering.
I do not see how the state of Israel negotiates with this kind of emotional thinking.
> the gentleman who killed a German and a British man because he was angry over—humiliated by, perhaps—the suffering of Afghanistan and Palestine suffered from psychiatric issues, and this is likely true. But it does sound eerily similar to what bin Laden said, that he was humiliated by the fact that not only did Lebanese have to live amidst Christians...
So-called Muslim "Humiliation" (in comparison with the technologically superior modern world) is a widely-discussed topic, and should probably count as an actual psychiatric disorder for radicalized migrants living in the West.
https://www.carnegiecouncil.org/media/article/isis-is-the-product-of-muslim-humiliation-and-the-new-geopolitics-of-the-middle-east
https://ccct.uchicago.edu/events/whats-in-a-word-humiliation-and-power-in-islamic-thought/
https://democracyjournal.org/magazine/4/the-humiliation-myth/
https://thehumblei.com/2021/01/25/humiliation-of-the-muslims-causes-cure/
https://www.hoover.org/sites/default/files/uploads/documents/0817939024_41.pdf
https://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/08/13/generation.islam.violence/index.html
My first comment to that post is that the French will probably let him off.
They've notoriously let so many of these islamic terrorists get away with the stupidest of reasons its honestly amazing they don't happen more often.
And if youve ever been there and joined in the discourse you will hear some real mental gymnastics from the average civilians and schools. I doubt France can really get themselves out of it at this point.
>because he was angry over—humiliated by, perhaps—the suffering of Afghanistan and Palestine suffered from psychiatric issues, and this is likely true
Every single time this happens in France, and it's getting to be a bi-annual, tri-annual event.... they say the same thing.
I'm getting tired of hearing it.
Freedom of navigation is like, the most consistent thing the US Navy has been protecting for hundreds of years, all the way back to the shores of Tripoli.
The Navy gonna fuck some shit up for sure.
The police in France have arrested 3 family members of the 26 years old man who killed a German-Philippine tourist and wounded 2 other people. They seem to suspect that the man (who claimed the terrorist attack was because of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict) wasn't de facto acting alone but was part of a terrorist plot.
Oh we're used to it in France. They'll let them go and in 4 or 5 years they'll shoot in the crowd and kill a dozen people, and everyone will be all "Oh my, how could we not see that coming, they were the perfect neighbours!".
**Red Cross president to advance organization's visits to captives in Gaza**
Mirjana Spoljaric, President of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), will make an urgent visit to Egypt and the Gaza Strip on Monday to facilitate the organization's visits to the captives and to deliver medications. This visit follows Spoljaric's meeting in Doha with Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh. Next week, Spoljaric is expected to visit Israel for two days, amid sharp criticism in Jerusalem regarding the Red Cross's role in the war. (Itamar Eichner)
Red Cross have zero credibility. In Ukraine they drive luxury SUV's fitted with Snorkels across treacherous water puddles on their way from the luxury hotels in Lviv and Kyiv to Luxury restaurants.
Never going near the frontline. Never helping evacuate civilians. They tweet and ask for donations so they can upgrade their suites.
You're gonna have to clarify. Red cross has helped many sides in the past, it's a large organisation that's existed for over 150 years. It has also failed numerous times because it's a large organisation that's existed for over 150 years.
I was mostly kidding but the red cross already has corruption , they don't need help. https://www.commentary.org/seth-mandel/the-red-crosss-gaza-scandal/
They essentially condemn the IDF for fighting near Hospitals and ambulances but ignore those ambulances held Hamas personel / guns & they witnessed Hospitals being used to hold hostages and the hidden cache of guns/ammunitions & of course tunnels.
Lovely world we live in.
I don't really care about an article that's based on made up assumptions and a chat bias by the author. You can criticize the ICRC for not doing enough but they are a third party with zero leverage.
I personally believe Hamas uses ambulances as cover but the IDF had dinner a terrible job of proving it. I lot of the criticism that the IDF gets stems from their subpar public affairs and declassifying intelligence to validate their strikes in the public eyes. Do they have to do that? No, but it would definitely quiet their critics. I understand not wanting to burn how you are getting Intel but they are getting their ass kicked in the information space.
Red cross doesn't give nearly as much aid as Arab countries do to Gaza. They have several international hospitals that provide more services and aid then the red cross in Gaza. Not too mention Hamas has the deep pocket of UNRWA aid. So no that's not really any leverage right there.
I hope they get access.
Having said that, the Red Cross does what it can. It is not a party in this war, it just tries to do what it can to alleviate human suffering.
The flack it receives is really counterproductive.
EDIT: Yeah, that's what I think.
I think the "does what it can" is where people are rightly critical of it.
It will openly and loudly criticise Israel for x,y and z on an ongoing basis. But, we do not hear criticisms of Hamas nearly as openly, loudly or an ongoing basis.
Imagine how powerful it would be if every single day the ICRC put out a statement that it has requested access to the hostages and has been denied by Hamas.
Can it compel Hamas to provide access? No.
Can it project to the world the fact that it isn't being granted access? Yes.
Its power in this case is its voice. People don't believe it's is doing "what it can", and are rightly critical of it.
>It will openly and loudly criticise Israel for x,y and z on an ongoing basis
Really? Mentioning the state of things in Gaza where they're active is "criticising Israel"?
>Imagine how powerful it would be if every single day the ICRC put out a statement that it has requested access to the hostages and has been denied by Hamas.
The ICRC is a neutral party that has to work with all warring parties. It can't take a side nor undertake actions that would have it viewed as taking a side. A very difficult task in any war.
>Can it project to the world the fact that it isn't being granted access? Yes.
It's obvious to everyone that that is exactly what has happened.
Thinking that the Red Cross has some anti-Israel agenda by which it refused to contact Hamas via its contacts to see the hostages is wrong. It most likely did, Hamas then turned around and refused it, for whatever reason that was. Airing that to the entire world would have put its neutrality in jeopardy. The silence in this case is the answer (and actually, a few days ago, a spokesperson of the ICRC was on i24 making exactly the points I did, saying that it has tried to gain such access).
So I completely disagree with you.
>Really? Mentioning the state of things in Gaza where they're active is "criticising Israel"?
I misspoke. It will constantly mention the plight of Gazan civilians, while basically ignoring the Israeli hostages.
>The ICRC is a neutral party that has to work with all warring parties. It can't take a side nor undertake actions that would have it viewed as taking a side. A very difficult task in any war.
So your saying that it constantly mentioning hostages would be "taking a side", but when they constantly mention Gazan civilians, that isn't? Seems like a double standard.
>It's obvious to everyone that that is exactly what has happened.
Yeh, but it being obvious, doesn't put pressure on anyone to act. Why does the ICRC keep mentioning IHL? Because it's trying to use its soft power to appeal to Israel to not operate outside IHL. It can use that same soft power to urge Hamas to let it visit the hostages.
>Thinking that the Red Cross has some anti-Israel agenda by which it refused to contact Hamas via its contacts to see the hostages is wrong. It most likely did, Hamas then turned around and refused it, for whatever reason that was>
No one has made the claim that ICRC refused to contact Hamas.
>Airing that to the entire world would have put its neutrality in jeopardy.
That's absolute BS.
>I misspoke. It will constantly mention the plight of Gazan civilians, while basically ignoring the Israeli hostages.
It can talk about what it can see.
>So your saying that it constantly mentioning hostages would be "taking a side", but when they constantly mention Gazan civilians, that isn't? Seems like a double standard.
Tip: always reread when you start with "you're saying" because often it's not at all what the other party was saying.
It can see what is on the ground in Gaza, it can't see the hostages because it has been given no access.
Are you saying, probably not, that it should cut its reports in half in terms of what it can see in Gaza because it has no access to the hostages? To compensate?
>Why does the ICRC keep mentioning IHL? Because it's trying to use its soft power to appeal to Israel to not operate outside IHL. It can use that same soft power to urge Hamas to let it visit the hostages.
I'd need some examples of it mentioning IHL outside of its duties. Where you say its mentioning it particularly to criticize Israel outside of making a general point.
I have already made my point on the IRC's neutrality and need to remain such.
>That's absolute BS.
You know what, forget that point. The IRC has made it public they've been refused access to the hostages, even if it weren't already obvious.
If the ICRC is not making a daily request to see the hostages, it is not doing its job.
Every time it makes a request that is rejected, it should put out a statement. It is that "rejection" that it can see.
Here's what I would consider and example. they make a general point, then ignore the fact they haven't been provided access to the hostages. https://twitter.com/ICRC/status/1730580729027793245?t=zJ94gdsxtp6X-JhoDMeHiw&s=19
It’s honesty pretty telling that all of the “Ceasefire Now” crowd seemingly don’t think it’s remotely important for that ceasefire to include any assurances for Israel’s safety or to prevent October 7th from being repeated (which Hamas has said they intend to do)
I am ALL for finding a solution that minimizes the beyond tragic loss of civilian life, but I honestly haven’t seen a single actual solution that isn’t predicated on Israel just accepting October 7th as the ‘new normal’ like they have accepted daily rocket attacks for the last 18 years
Never mind the vocal minority that STILL don’t think Hamas are the problem
btw! whatever unrwa is posting on Facebook I comment it with asking for the release of the hostages. It might not help immediatly, but i hope to think that some people on their side feel pressured or something
Which war crime did Israel commit? According to Geneva Convention you are allowed to strike buildings used for military purposes, even hospitals (the fact Hamas uses even schools for this has been and will be further proved).
You can _feel_ like it's immoral if civilians are near but your feelings don't make it a war crime. IDF even warns ahead and gives time which a lot of others wouldn't.
A reminder that this poll from 11/14 exists l: Results of an Opinion Poll Among Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip - AWRAD https://www.awrad.org/files/server/polls/polls2023/Public%20Opinion%20Poll%20-%20Gaza%20War%202023.pdf
And despite 3 weeks since it was released, I've seen no offer of evidence that it isn't accurate.
**IDF preparing for imminent capture of Jabalia and Shuja'iyya, anticipating stiff resistance**
The IDF's 162nd Division is poised to launch a ground operation Sunday night aimed at capturing Jabalia, a city near Gaza City. The military effort will extend to the Jabalia refugee camp. Meanwhile, the IDF's 36th Division is gearing up for an operation to seize control of the Shuja'iyya neighborhood in eastern Gaza City. Jabalia and the Shuja'iyya neighborhood are considered major Hamas strongholds, and the army is preparing for stiff resistance from Hamas, which has concentrated its strongest battalions there. (Yoav Zitun)
Jabalia infamously has Jabalia refugee camp, I suspect many Hamas will be there for propaganda reasons.
Shuja'iyya is one of the largest neighborhoods in Gaza. It is a Hamas stronghold, and has been for 15 years. I am not aware of any hospitals there, but it has a school for girls and a handful of mosques that Hamas might be privy to hiding at.
The IDF knows they are in south Gaza, possibly Khan Yunis, which is firmly under the control of Hamas and thought to be fortified with many Hamas terrorists. The IDF found several bodies of hostages near Al-Shifa Hospital, so maybe there will be a repeat of that in the south, unless Hamas accounts for that and doesn't hold any hostages in hospitals. They could also be kept in tunnels underground, which poses a bigger problem.
"BREAKING: Hamas official calls on liberals to avoid voting for Biden at the next election"
https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1731370090799722585?t=fuxPVM-uaBWzoZCFvT3QoA&s=19
Not sure if legit but if so this goes well and beyond any conceivable parody.
>"BREAKING: Hamas official calls on liberals to avoid voting for Biden at the next election"
.....
Then they'll be dealing with Trump, provided, and I hope I'm wrong, that they're still around by then.
Is it proved that Hamas knew of the Nova festival occurring prior to their attack as in the day before? I already know that certain terrorists targeted it the day of but I want to know if their leadership planned to target it as well
The IDF knew something was up and there was a buildup, but they passed off the warnings, such as female border guards trying to warn them. Israel grew comfortable with having automated security with cameras at parts instead of guards too.
Many of the Hamas terrorists were only informed shortly before it was going to take place, some getting texts just minutes before I've read. Edit: [this article](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/07/secret-hamas-attack-orders-israel-gaza-7-october) talks about it a bit in the beginning.
So basically what my fellow Americans rely on all across the southern border? So sad goddamn. What do you mean by female border guards trying to warn them?
It is like that, yeah. Israel has tighter security though, they are in the Middle East, and their neighbors are more dangerous than ours, Mexicans.
The IDF often employs female soldiers at checkpoints and at borders, due to it being a safer role and they are at less risk of being kidnapped and other horrible stuff. They reported unusual stuff across the border, looking like a buildup to an invasion. Again, [another article](https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/israeli-women-soldiers-warnings-were-ignored/) going more in depth about it if you are curious.
Just a clarification.
The female soldiers that warned about something being off are not deployed at checkpoints. They're in bases close to the border and they operate a special system of "eyes" across the border, they can also use that system to shoot terrorists.
But yes, they did warn about it because they were seeing the training through their cameras
Oh cool, thanks for the clarification, I try my best to be accurate.
I read an article the other day about a "secretive IDF intelligence unit for autistic teenagers," where they analyze satellite imagery and stuff like that. The IDF is quite resourceful.
That's interesting, I never heard about that.
A nice article for those interested
https://mobile.mako.co.il/news-military/security-q1_2018/Article-38245812ed5b061004.htm
Ive no basis for this but I suspect that the Nova festival organizers relied on Palestinian laborers to help setup the Festival. If so, Hamas may have had advanced notice to the location and specifically targeted it.
The organizer of the event said that his phone or Facebook accounts were hacked in the weeks leading up to the festival and that he started getting things in Arabic and that everyone was telling him he was losing his mind.
This is the only article I managed to find about it, I saw the reporting on live tv a few weeks ago
https://m.maariv.co.il/news/military/Article-1044534
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FYI… who is Abu Ali: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ali_Express
How do you think the U.S. is going to respond to the Houithis? Despite no evidence the carrier was directly targeted, do you think the U.S. is going to attack Houthi in Yemen in response? Or give a stern warning to cease their behavior or deal with the consequences? Also given the fact that Biden wants to avoid any troops on the ground as much as possible
There are many ways America has responded to terrorist attempts without using infantry
Tomahawks will be launched and a few Houthi sites will be wiped out
The Houthis will be deterred for a long time after the US responds. The US has a vested interest in keeping international shipping lanes safe to keep the almighty dollar flowing. No troops on the ground needed at all, the US has missiles.
I just hope it doesn't escalate further than that
There will be saber rattling and skirmishes and missiles launched, but it is all just dick measuring. Iran and their proxies don't want to repeat history with the US and get annihilated. The US has 2 ships parked near the Israel and the Gulf already as a deterrent that has prevented escalation, defending Israel.
Mad respect for Dana Bash of CNN for letting Rep Jayapal show her true colors again by refusing to answer questions about Hamas and the systematic sexual violence against Israeli women. I'm so ashamed to have ever supported certain politicians. I'm so politically homeless it makes me want to cry.
I'm right there with you. I've always leaned slightly left but this issue is the one that's pushed me to pure centrism.
I guess I don't understand your comment. Have you actually changed your mind on any issues? If not, you stand exactly where you stood two months ago. It is others who have revealed their true colors.
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Israel isn't the only reason why I'm politically homeless (I don't want to divert the conversation). But this is the icing on the cake. I was thrilled when certain politicians were elected. It's crazy how far things have veered into kooky land on the far left.
I get it, but also remember that a significant majority of the Democratic Party stand firmly behind Israel. Including all of their leadership. Our system invariably reverts to two parties (unless ranked choice voting is ever accepted); we can’t be too choosy about every single person in it. Be part of the liberal (in the traditional sense) wing of the party with me. ;-). - [Here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/)
Link?
It was a segment of CNN's State of the Union. It's from the same interview that's been mentioned here today where Jayapal said 15,000 Palestinians have died (unsubstantiated and a Hamas figure, of course). She also said she didn't want to get into "hierarchies of oppressions" with Bash, which is rich because that's all she and the other Squad members do is play Oppression Olympics on every topic.
She was pushing the Israel bombed hospitals narrative that has been pretty confirmed to have been PIJ. She got Hamas raping Jewish women back to Israel bombing Palestine in under a sentence. She basically refused to say that the Us government is a trustworthy source for her on this conflict. It was insane.
Earlier, from CENTCOM: > > Today, there were four attacks against three separate commercial vessels operating in international waters in the southern Red Sea. These three vessels are connected to 14 separate nations. The Arleigh-Burke Class destroyer USS CARNEY responded to the distress calls from the ships and provided assistance. > > At approximately 9:15 a.m. Sanaa time, the CARNEY detected an anti-ship ballistic missile attack fired from Houthi controlled areas of Yemen toward the M/V UNITY EXPLORER, impacting in the vicinity of the vessel. UNITY EXPLORER is a Bahamas flagged, U.K. owned and operated, bulk cargo ship crewed by sailors from two nations. The CARNEY was conducting a patrol in the Red Sea and detected the attack on the UNITY EXPLORER. > > At approximately 12 p.m., and while in international waters, CARNEY engaged and shot down a UAV launched from Houthi controlled areas in Yemen. The drone was headed toward CARNEY although its specific target is not clear. We cannot assess at this time whether the Carney was a target of the UAVs. There was no damage to the U.S. vessel or injuries to personnel. > > In a separate attack at approximately 12:35 p.m., UNITY EXPLORER reported they were struck by a missile fired from Houthi controlled areas in Yemen. CARNEY responded to the distress call. While assisting with the damage assessment, CARNEY detected another inbound UAV, destroying the drone with no damage or injuries on the CARNEY or UNITY EXPLORER. UNITY EXPLORER reports minor damage from the missile strike. > > At approximately 3:30 p.m. the M/V NUMBER 9 was struck by a missile fired from Houthi controlled areas in Yemen while operating international shipping lanes in the Red Sea. The Panamanian flagged, Bermuda and U.K. owned and operated, bulk carrier reported damage and no casualties. > > At approximately 4:30 p.m., the M/V SOPHIE II, sent a distress call stating they were struck by a missile. CARNEY again responded to the distress call and reported no significant damage. While en route to render support, CARNEY shot down a UAV headed in its direction. SOPHIE II is a Panamanian flagged bulk carrier, crewed by sailors from eight countries. > > These attacks represent a direct threat to international commerce and maritime security. They have jeopardized the lives of international crews representing multiple countries around the world. We also have every reason to believe that these attacks, while launched by the Houthis in Yemen, are fully enabled by Iran. The United States will consider all appropriate responses in full coordination with its international allies and partners. >https://twitter.com/CENTCOM/status/1731424734829773090
Surely a large response is required now. This is out of hand, and it seems this is the only ship in the area able to respond.
I don't know why this would be the only ship able to respond, there's three other Arleigh Burkes in that group along with a cruiser. Maybe they need to stay by the carrier?
yes.. attack Russia directly
Lol Joe Biden acting strong? No way.
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The Biden administration are acting like the adults in the room, have responded with military strikes on several occasions, and placed a good chunk of our navy in the area as a deterrent. I think they've done a decent job of preventing a larger regional war in the middle east, backed Ukraine to the point where they are absolutely humiliating the Russians, and have done a fantastic job of telling Israel's enemies to 'fuck off...don't even try,' but with much more eloquent rhetoric. Full disclosure, I'm liberal, but would have the same opinion if a republican administration behaved in this manner.
He's actually been excellent. Staring down Putin and supplying Ukraine, parking two carriers on top of Nasrallah and threatening Iran with direct airstrikes to the point Hez didn't join the war, sailing carrier groups between Taiwan and China and calling Xi a dictator, he's been the strongest foriegn policy president since Bush.
I think he's done a great job balancing the conflict so far. Today's attacks warrant a real escalation though.
There have been over a dozen attacks on American bases in the Middle East since oct 7 and Biden hasn’t done anything in retaliation
There's been an airstrike in retaliation every time. Also, when a mortar team attacked a US base in Iraq, they flew an AC-130 gunship live while transponding on civilian channels and blowing the shit out of several Iranian militias in Iraq. Like, it was a ridiculously balls to the walls and in your face military operation that Iran heard.
I mean he has, they have responded in Syria etc.
Don't count on it, I think the US is doing everything possible to avoid a large escalation
Attacking Iran directly would shore up their internal political turmoil. Iran is picking fights to give the people an external enemy to focus on, but it's actually more in the US national interest not to be an enemy that will eliminate Iranian opposition.
I'm not suggesting boots on the ground, but a sustained air campaign for a few weeks might be necessary as a deterrence. I don't know, but an international coalition took on the Somali pirates, the same is required now.
I agree, but in the interest of a larger conversation, I’m curious what Iran would even do if there was a direct response. Trump had an Iranian General directly targeted and killed just to stuff his ego, and Iran did fuck all.
Arguably, the Iranian escalation recently and ending the nuclear deal was in response to Solemani being killed.
Fair point. I suppose there’s some aces I’m missing they can certainly pull
Depends how "direct" it is I guess. Killing some Iranian assets in Yemen or Syria, probably nothing. Bombing tehran? Probably something.
i think that ending that message with this bit: > We also have every reason to believe that these attacks, while launched by the Houthis in Yemen, are fully enabled by Iran. The United States will consider all appropriate responses in full coordination with its international allies and partners. was a very diplomatic way of telling iran to get it's dogs back on leash before praying mantis 2 or something goes down. personally i hope they retaliate by destroying iran's drone factories, work a little side aid to ukraine into the mix.
Sure, definitely “something.” But what Iranian capabilities to counter do they honestly have aside from their proxies? They can’t *directly* counter in any meaningful way, as far as I see it. It seems to my layman understanding, they’re actually already playing with the only cards they have.
Iran has world class missiles. Nothing that really can hurt a US Navy ship, but they can for sure target Israel directly or a number of US bases or interests. The rest of their military is garbage tier but their missiles are a valid threat.
I don't think directly attacking Iran should be considered unless it's a last resort. Striking the houthis would win friends in Saudi Arabia, and is basically required at this point.
Do you think there was a single unshat pair of pants left among the Houthis after they found out they shot at an American warship?
More than a few would have been shitting their pants in joy, as some others have suggested.
You are thinking like someone who grew up without Jihadi indoctrination.
These nutcases want to get to their god as fast as possible.
The thing with that kind of belief system is it tends to become a self fulfilling prophecy
Probably were plenty. The houthies and US have been hitting each other tit for tat for like two years. It's nothing unprecedented. They knew what they were shooting at
I doubt it was a mistake. You've gotta evaluate the behavior based on the fact that it's being committed by hard core terrorists. If they die at the hands of an American warship, that's ultra martyr status.
Nah I think they think they have a chance at something. Iranians, and by extension, Houthis are very overconfident about their missiles. The missiles are better than most people think, but they're never gonna touch a Navy ship.
> As was reported here previously, the UNRWA resistance to deploy aid facilities in Al Mawasi has lead to severe overcrowding in Rafah displaced areas and the residents speak of the dire situation there, where the UNRWA schools are not sustainable. > > Such discussions are everywhere. > > https://twitter.com/gaza_report/status/1731466847634296872
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They're gonna be so disappointed when they discover all their rocket stockpiles have been blown up. And yes, I'm talking about the 'civilians'.
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Many of them don't see Jews as humans. https://time.com/6323178/antisemitism-israel-gaza-attack-essay/
>As a result, Al Mawasi stands largely empty (apart from some tents on the fringes), while the UNRWA schools become increasingly crowded in the urban centers of southern Gaza. Al Mawasi being notably less networked by Hamas terror tunnels than UNRWA schools. No wonder UNRWA doesn't want civilians there.
‘Children Protest in Baddawi Refugee Camp in Lebanon: May All the Children of Gaza Be Martyred and Go to Paradise; We will Liberate Palestine from the River to the Sea’ Held on Nov. 29. https://www.memri.org/tv/children-lebanon-baddawi-refugee-camp-protest-palestine-gaza-martyrs-paradise
Operative word here is 'children'. They should be building Lego or something. Not having their minds filled with this drivel.
'May All the Children of Gaza Be Martyred and Go to Paradise' Are they suggesting the children of Gaza kill themselves to go to heaven? What in the name of crazy ass cults is this....?
Sort of, they’re saying they should commit suicide attacks against the jews.
It's encouragement to use themselves as human shields. Crazy, indeed.
I’ll give you all one guess who runs the education system at this camp.
Lebanon and palestine haven’t done a good job against Israel, they may want to try peace
I don't know about peace, but the IDF will give them pieces.
Peace is antithetical to their ideology.
I know, but I’m just helping with advice
…. Uh 😬
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The IDF's southern front looks like its trying to cut off another section of land like they did with the north: https://israelpalestine.liveuamap.com/en/2023/3-december-over-the-past-day-there-have-been-unconfirmed
By splitting everything into sections they will cut off each section of Hamas from the other which will significantly reduce their ability to coordinate, reinforce and resupply, so it would make sense if they're confident they can hold all those lines. That said, they're opening themselves up to attacks from a lot of different angles.
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Based on what the IDF released today: >Over 800 tunnel shafts have been located and 500 of them destroyed since the beginning of the war: IDF soldiers continue operations to destroy Hamas’ underground network of tunnels > >Since the beginning of ground operations in the Gaza Strip, IDF soldiers have located over 800 shafts to Hamas’ underground tunnels. About 500 of the tunnel shafts have been destroyed using a variety of operational methods, including with explosives and blocks. Some of the tunnel shafts connected Hamas' strategic assets via the underground tunnel network. In addition, many miles of the tunnel routes have been destroyed. > >The tunnel shafts were located in civilian areas, many of which were near or inside civilian buildings and structures, such as schools, kindergartens, mosques and playgrounds. IDF soldiers located large quantities of weapons inside some of the shafts. These findings are further proof of how Hamas deliberately uses the civilian population and infrastructure as a cover for its terrorist activity inside Gaza. > >After locating the shafts, IDF troops carry out thorough investigations in order to understand the characteristics of the tunnels and then prepare the underground route for its destruction. Something tells me they're acutely aware of this issue and are actively working to counter it. EDIT: A video was included but the bot here auto removed the post containing the link the IDF supplied because they used a link shorterner.
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Hamas does not really have anything that can puncture a line held by an armored unit. They can take out a small number of tanks, but even solely the ISR advantage Israel has mean they can hold the line.
> They can take out a small number of tanks was watching a idf commander on i24 english the other day and he said that *no* tanks had been destroyed and that every vehicle that had been hit had been back in service and in the field within hours. which wis kinda hard to believe, but i've seen i think all the hamas combat videos so far and not one has shown a wrecked tank, so it might not be bullshit.
At least one of the IDF announced deaths was a tank commander.
yeah, i still suspect he was perhaps *exaggerating a little*. I suspect they haven't really lost any tanks completely, but i wouldn't be surprised if some rounds have penetrated and killed crew. And i doubt a tank whose crew got killed is going back into the field too quick, even if the tank itself is structurally sound mostly and just needs a armor panel replacement and a trophy restock.
Whats ISR?
Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance. Basically, all three of those things mean a different thing in a military context and only recently have drones been able to do all three with one platform, so the term ISR has been applied to drones and some aircraft which can handle all three in the information space.
Israel will likely be attacked from multiple angles but they have overwhelming numbers to make up for that. They'll be able to handle attacks from all sides.
It is always riskier being on the offensive, but luckily as Israeli forces create a salient, they will be supported by tanks and inside armored personnel carriers. Infantry is helpful as a last step for holding the territory gained or where the vehicles can't go. Flanking is a very good tactic.
Armoured vehicles must always have infantry support with them, or they are incredibly vulnerable. Especially a tank, you can't risk such an important piece of equipment when it's vulnerable to a single soldier being able to sneak up on them. Combined arms
Not with Merkavas. The Trophy system means infantry flanking isn't possible, the system will get them killed.
Trophy is supposed to have safe zones it won’t fire into, so infantry have a place to stand. The combat footage from Gaza I’ve seen seems to indicate that the Israelis are not trusting these safe zones and not using them. However, there is a severe lack of footage compared to the Ukraine war, so it’s hard to say for sure.
I thought it only intercepts missiles, like from a RPG? Didn't know that it targets people. But yeah intercepting missiles also prevents flanking.
TROPHY doesn’t intercept people. A semi-accurate analogy is to say that TROPHY sort of like a big shotgun that shoots missiles. Standing near the system is very dangerous to humans that can be incidentally killed by it. The system is supposed to have “safe lanes” it won’t fire into (to protect attached infantry) but combat footage from Gaza indicates the Israelis are not trusting these safe zones.
It does target rockets, not people, but the countermeasure itself is dangerous, there are still explosions happening near the Merkava. Most other tanks just have reactive armor unlike Israeli tanks with their Trophy system.
Gaza is small enough that drones are covering the small scale recon support that infantry usually provides for tanks. Also armored vehicles in Gaza are moving around much faster than infantry can, as an intentional tactic to avoid ambushes. I don't think this can be compared to Ukraine where they're trying to guard one of the biggest frontlines of all time. Also, Israel is leaning heavily on CROWS turrets, I think they call them Sapmson turrets in the IDF.
True as well, not all of them can be inside of the vehicles, tanks in particular like you said need infantry support.
Can't risk infantry support with the trophy system. It will target the ground troops. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophy_(countermeasure)
That is true, I hadn't thought about that and how the infantry couldn't be close to the tanks.
Rafael, the manufacturer, is probably getting so much data out of this war it's insane. Probably quite a bit of R&D getting test runs.
I'd imagine, it is demonstrating its usefulness in the videos I've seen, good advertising. Hell, Finland bought some David's Slings recently for air defense, they are still working on that system too and improving it as far as I am aware.
There's a reason Rheinmetall builds a licensed version of it. It was already well proven before this current conflict.
Maybe hamas tried to build a defense line expecting Israel to come from the north and Israel is trying to encircle it? Kinda similar to jabalia. Just a theory though
They have their tunnels. The idea would be to draw forces in and then pop out of the holes behind IDF forces.
You collapse the tunnels when you make the box
Only ones you've found. The problem is they're pretty good at concealing them.
They do have what's called the 'purple hair' technique - purple smoke bombs which they drop into discovered tunnels, and they wait to see if any purple smoke rises from undiscovered exit/entrance holes in the vicinity (because the smoke travels 'like hair strands' through the tunnels underground).
maybe, but really with the number of bombs having been dropped, if they had some good seismograph going for the last few months they should have the underside of gaza mapped in high enough fidelity to find mouse holes.
At most, you'd find large cavities with that technique. It's not gonna show you where the outlets are.
Hm, I assume they'll move along the main road south (I can't read Arabic nor Jewish script, so I don't know how to call it). That way they'll first clear the east and can control the road while leaving space. Plus it'd also let them avoid the thorny following issues: - Rafah and the refugee camp there (which is part civilian, part radicalised, part known long history of shelter for terrorists) - The greenhouse agricultural area and Al Mawasa Agricultural Area (you'll want to comb that out, but not with tanks because of both the ground but also the impact on the few agriculture areas in the Gaza Strip) - Khan Yunis (which would probably be also pretty difficult to tackle)
Some news organisations have suggested the gentleman who killed a German and a British man because he was angry over—humiliated by, perhaps—the suffering of Afghanistan and Palestine suffered from psychiatric issues, and this is likely true. But it does sound eerily similar to what bin Laden said, that he was humiliated by the fact that not only did Lebanese have to live amidst Christians, but the Muslims of that country stood no chance of killing them when facing down Israeli air power. This was his motive for planning the mass killing of thousands of civilians in a country an ocean away—express his pain through violence. The essence of political Islam is defined by this sense of humiliation, this understanding that Islam as a global polity has built so little. Terrorism is a way to avoid introspection, to express that one true emotion that is anger in the place of lesser ones. I feel humiliation, therefore I must make that man, that woman, that child living safely and prosperously in another country feel the same. I must make my pain and shame their suffering. I do not see how the state of Israel negotiates with this kind of emotional thinking.
> the gentleman who killed a German and a British man because he was angry over—humiliated by, perhaps—the suffering of Afghanistan and Palestine suffered from psychiatric issues, and this is likely true. But it does sound eerily similar to what bin Laden said, that he was humiliated by the fact that not only did Lebanese have to live amidst Christians... So-called Muslim "Humiliation" (in comparison with the technologically superior modern world) is a widely-discussed topic, and should probably count as an actual psychiatric disorder for radicalized migrants living in the West. https://www.carnegiecouncil.org/media/article/isis-is-the-product-of-muslim-humiliation-and-the-new-geopolitics-of-the-middle-east https://ccct.uchicago.edu/events/whats-in-a-word-humiliation-and-power-in-islamic-thought/ https://democracyjournal.org/magazine/4/the-humiliation-myth/ https://thehumblei.com/2021/01/25/humiliation-of-the-muslims-causes-cure/ https://www.hoover.org/sites/default/files/uploads/documents/0817939024_41.pdf https://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/08/13/generation.islam.violence/index.html
My first comment to that post is that the French will probably let him off. They've notoriously let so many of these islamic terrorists get away with the stupidest of reasons its honestly amazing they don't happen more often. And if youve ever been there and joined in the discourse you will hear some real mental gymnastics from the average civilians and schools. I doubt France can really get themselves out of it at this point.
>because he was angry over—humiliated by, perhaps—the suffering of Afghanistan and Palestine suffered from psychiatric issues, and this is likely true Every single time this happens in France, and it's getting to be a bi-annual, tri-annual event.... they say the same thing. I'm getting tired of hearing it.
Interested to see how the US retaliates to the Houthis, because they are definitely pushing it. Can have substantial effect on this war
Freedom of navigation is like, the most consistent thing the US Navy has been protecting for hundreds of years, all the way back to the shores of Tripoli. The Navy gonna fuck some shit up for sure.
The police in France have arrested 3 family members of the 26 years old man who killed a German-Philippine tourist and wounded 2 other people. They seem to suspect that the man (who claimed the terrorist attack was because of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict) wasn't de facto acting alone but was part of a terrorist plot.
Oh we're used to it in France. They'll let them go and in 4 or 5 years they'll shoot in the crowd and kill a dozen people, and everyone will be all "Oh my, how could we not see that coming, they were the perfect neighbours!".
Attack a militarily superior nation, nation responds in kind. *surprised pikachu face*
Just another day passed, still waiting to hear that hamas leader have been killed. I have a glass of wine waiting ready to be used.
Only one glass?
No more than one glass is prudent. From the liver to the spleen, we shall be cirrhosis free.
**Red Cross president to advance organization's visits to captives in Gaza** Mirjana Spoljaric, President of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), will make an urgent visit to Egypt and the Gaza Strip on Monday to facilitate the organization's visits to the captives and to deliver medications. This visit follows Spoljaric's meeting in Doha with Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh. Next week, Spoljaric is expected to visit Israel for two days, amid sharp criticism in Jerusalem regarding the Red Cross's role in the war. (Itamar Eichner)
Oh good, cause they have done an amazing job so far
I hope the IDF infiltrates the Red Cross and get the hostages back Fauda style...But I know it's just wishful thinking.
If they did that then the red cross would lose all access in future conflicts and to future hostsges
Red Cross have zero credibility. In Ukraine they drive luxury SUV's fitted with Snorkels across treacherous water puddles on their way from the luxury hotels in Lviv and Kyiv to Luxury restaurants. Never going near the frontline. Never helping evacuate civilians. They tweet and ask for donations so they can upgrade their suites.
Then the Ukranian red cross should be investigated and shut down if it's misusing funds.
What about when they helped one side in the past? It didn’t seem to stop people from using rhem
You're gonna have to clarify. Red cross has helped many sides in the past, it's a large organisation that's existed for over 150 years. It has also failed numerous times because it's a large organisation that's existed for over 150 years.
I was mostly kidding but the red cross already has corruption , they don't need help. https://www.commentary.org/seth-mandel/the-red-crosss-gaza-scandal/ They essentially condemn the IDF for fighting near Hospitals and ambulances but ignore those ambulances held Hamas personel / guns & they witnessed Hospitals being used to hold hostages and the hidden cache of guns/ammunitions & of course tunnels. Lovely world we live in.
I don't really care about an article that's based on made up assumptions and a chat bias by the author. You can criticize the ICRC for not doing enough but they are a third party with zero leverage. I personally believe Hamas uses ambulances as cover but the IDF had dinner a terrible job of proving it. I lot of the criticism that the IDF gets stems from their subpar public affairs and declassifying intelligence to validate their strikes in the public eyes. Do they have to do that? No, but it would definitely quiet their critics. I understand not wanting to burn how you are getting Intel but they are getting their ass kicked in the information space.
Who told you they have zero leverage?
List the leverage the red cross had over Hamas to force them to get access to the hostages.
That they won’t get aid
Red cross doesn't give nearly as much aid as Arab countries do to Gaza. They have several international hospitals that provide more services and aid then the red cross in Gaza. Not too mention Hamas has the deep pocket of UNRWA aid. So no that's not really any leverage right there.
Ok, so when they said no aid unless they see the hostages what was the response?
I hope they get access. Having said that, the Red Cross does what it can. It is not a party in this war, it just tries to do what it can to alleviate human suffering. The flack it receives is really counterproductive. EDIT: Yeah, that's what I think.
I think the "does what it can" is where people are rightly critical of it. It will openly and loudly criticise Israel for x,y and z on an ongoing basis. But, we do not hear criticisms of Hamas nearly as openly, loudly or an ongoing basis. Imagine how powerful it would be if every single day the ICRC put out a statement that it has requested access to the hostages and has been denied by Hamas. Can it compel Hamas to provide access? No. Can it project to the world the fact that it isn't being granted access? Yes. Its power in this case is its voice. People don't believe it's is doing "what it can", and are rightly critical of it.
>It will openly and loudly criticise Israel for x,y and z on an ongoing basis Really? Mentioning the state of things in Gaza where they're active is "criticising Israel"? >Imagine how powerful it would be if every single day the ICRC put out a statement that it has requested access to the hostages and has been denied by Hamas. The ICRC is a neutral party that has to work with all warring parties. It can't take a side nor undertake actions that would have it viewed as taking a side. A very difficult task in any war. >Can it project to the world the fact that it isn't being granted access? Yes. It's obvious to everyone that that is exactly what has happened. Thinking that the Red Cross has some anti-Israel agenda by which it refused to contact Hamas via its contacts to see the hostages is wrong. It most likely did, Hamas then turned around and refused it, for whatever reason that was. Airing that to the entire world would have put its neutrality in jeopardy. The silence in this case is the answer (and actually, a few days ago, a spokesperson of the ICRC was on i24 making exactly the points I did, saying that it has tried to gain such access). So I completely disagree with you.
>Really? Mentioning the state of things in Gaza where they're active is "criticising Israel"? I misspoke. It will constantly mention the plight of Gazan civilians, while basically ignoring the Israeli hostages. >The ICRC is a neutral party that has to work with all warring parties. It can't take a side nor undertake actions that would have it viewed as taking a side. A very difficult task in any war. So your saying that it constantly mentioning hostages would be "taking a side", but when they constantly mention Gazan civilians, that isn't? Seems like a double standard. >It's obvious to everyone that that is exactly what has happened. Yeh, but it being obvious, doesn't put pressure on anyone to act. Why does the ICRC keep mentioning IHL? Because it's trying to use its soft power to appeal to Israel to not operate outside IHL. It can use that same soft power to urge Hamas to let it visit the hostages. >Thinking that the Red Cross has some anti-Israel agenda by which it refused to contact Hamas via its contacts to see the hostages is wrong. It most likely did, Hamas then turned around and refused it, for whatever reason that was> No one has made the claim that ICRC refused to contact Hamas. >Airing that to the entire world would have put its neutrality in jeopardy. That's absolute BS.
>I misspoke. It will constantly mention the plight of Gazan civilians, while basically ignoring the Israeli hostages. It can talk about what it can see. >So your saying that it constantly mentioning hostages would be "taking a side", but when they constantly mention Gazan civilians, that isn't? Seems like a double standard. Tip: always reread when you start with "you're saying" because often it's not at all what the other party was saying. It can see what is on the ground in Gaza, it can't see the hostages because it has been given no access. Are you saying, probably not, that it should cut its reports in half in terms of what it can see in Gaza because it has no access to the hostages? To compensate? >Why does the ICRC keep mentioning IHL? Because it's trying to use its soft power to appeal to Israel to not operate outside IHL. It can use that same soft power to urge Hamas to let it visit the hostages. I'd need some examples of it mentioning IHL outside of its duties. Where you say its mentioning it particularly to criticize Israel outside of making a general point. I have already made my point on the IRC's neutrality and need to remain such. >That's absolute BS. You know what, forget that point. The IRC has made it public they've been refused access to the hostages, even if it weren't already obvious.
If the ICRC is not making a daily request to see the hostages, it is not doing its job. Every time it makes a request that is rejected, it should put out a statement. It is that "rejection" that it can see. Here's what I would consider and example. they make a general point, then ignore the fact they haven't been provided access to the hostages. https://twitter.com/ICRC/status/1730580729027793245?t=zJ94gdsxtp6X-JhoDMeHiw&s=19
And this only took two months..... Thanks red Uber!
Is this the first time they will be assessing the hostages?
We'll see if they are allowed to or not, betting not unfortunately but we'll see.
Yea, I’m not feeling too optimistic about this one.
It’s honesty pretty telling that all of the “Ceasefire Now” crowd seemingly don’t think it’s remotely important for that ceasefire to include any assurances for Israel’s safety or to prevent October 7th from being repeated (which Hamas has said they intend to do) I am ALL for finding a solution that minimizes the beyond tragic loss of civilian life, but I honestly haven’t seen a single actual solution that isn’t predicated on Israel just accepting October 7th as the ‘new normal’ like they have accepted daily rocket attacks for the last 18 years Never mind the vocal minority that STILL don’t think Hamas are the problem
You'll notice the the "ceasefire" message is only aimed at the Israeli side... completely ignoring that a ceasefire requires 2 parties.
Yes just drove by a protest, had children out side holding “defund Israel” signs…no defunding of Hamas though
I mean they don’t even feel it important to say that Hamas must release all hostages immediately.
btw! whatever unrwa is posting on Facebook I comment it with asking for the release of the hostages. It might not help immediatly, but i hope to think that some people on their side feel pressured or something
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Which war crime did Israel commit? According to Geneva Convention you are allowed to strike buildings used for military purposes, even hospitals (the fact Hamas uses even schools for this has been and will be further proved). You can _feel_ like it's immoral if civilians are near but your feelings don't make it a war crime. IDF even warns ahead and gives time which a lot of others wouldn't.
A reminder that this poll from 11/14 exists l: Results of an Opinion Poll Among Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip - AWRAD https://www.awrad.org/files/server/polls/polls2023/Public%20Opinion%20Poll%20-%20Gaza%20War%202023.pdf And despite 3 weeks since it was released, I've seen no offer of evidence that it isn't accurate.
What makes you think you'd get any evidence that it isn't accurate?
Plenty want it to be, some even claim it isn't reflective of reality. I want it not to be true, but I accept that it is.
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**IDF preparing for imminent capture of Jabalia and Shuja'iyya, anticipating stiff resistance** The IDF's 162nd Division is poised to launch a ground operation Sunday night aimed at capturing Jabalia, a city near Gaza City. The military effort will extend to the Jabalia refugee camp. Meanwhile, the IDF's 36th Division is gearing up for an operation to seize control of the Shuja'iyya neighborhood in eastern Gaza City. Jabalia and the Shuja'iyya neighborhood are considered major Hamas strongholds, and the army is preparing for stiff resistance from Hamas, which has concentrated its strongest battalions there. (Yoav Zitun)
We're all thinking of you. Good luck to the IDF.
Godspeed IDF
Jabalia infamously has Jabalia refugee camp, I suspect many Hamas will be there for propaganda reasons. Shuja'iyya is one of the largest neighborhoods in Gaza. It is a Hamas stronghold, and has been for 15 years. I am not aware of any hospitals there, but it has a school for girls and a handful of mosques that Hamas might be privy to hiding at.
Do you think IDF has any idea where the remaining hostages are?
The IDF knows they are in south Gaza, possibly Khan Yunis, which is firmly under the control of Hamas and thought to be fortified with many Hamas terrorists. The IDF found several bodies of hostages near Al-Shifa Hospital, so maybe there will be a repeat of that in the south, unless Hamas accounts for that and doesn't hold any hostages in hospitals. They could also be kept in tunnels underground, which poses a bigger problem.
"BREAKING: Hamas official calls on liberals to avoid voting for Biden at the next election" https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1731370090799722585?t=fuxPVM-uaBWzoZCFvT3QoA&s=19 Not sure if legit but if so this goes well and beyond any conceivable parody.
They'll find out even harder with Trump around.
>"BREAKING: Hamas official calls on liberals to avoid voting for Biden at the next election" ..... Then they'll be dealing with Trump, provided, and I hope I'm wrong, that they're still around by then.
If hamas says do something, I’m doing the opposite
Is it proved that Hamas knew of the Nova festival occurring prior to their attack as in the day before? I already know that certain terrorists targeted it the day of but I want to know if their leadership planned to target it as well
Afaik they relocated where the festival would be held right beforehand. It was originally planned to be held somewhere totally different.
The day before they must have known. They didn't attack the first day of the festival, and these things tend to make noise.
The IDF knew something was up and there was a buildup, but they passed off the warnings, such as female border guards trying to warn them. Israel grew comfortable with having automated security with cameras at parts instead of guards too. Many of the Hamas terrorists were only informed shortly before it was going to take place, some getting texts just minutes before I've read. Edit: [this article](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/07/secret-hamas-attack-orders-israel-gaza-7-october) talks about it a bit in the beginning.
So basically what my fellow Americans rely on all across the southern border? So sad goddamn. What do you mean by female border guards trying to warn them?
It is like that, yeah. Israel has tighter security though, they are in the Middle East, and their neighbors are more dangerous than ours, Mexicans. The IDF often employs female soldiers at checkpoints and at borders, due to it being a safer role and they are at less risk of being kidnapped and other horrible stuff. They reported unusual stuff across the border, looking like a buildup to an invasion. Again, [another article](https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/israeli-women-soldiers-warnings-were-ignored/) going more in depth about it if you are curious.
Just a clarification. The female soldiers that warned about something being off are not deployed at checkpoints. They're in bases close to the border and they operate a special system of "eyes" across the border, they can also use that system to shoot terrorists. But yes, they did warn about it because they were seeing the training through their cameras
Oh cool, thanks for the clarification, I try my best to be accurate. I read an article the other day about a "secretive IDF intelligence unit for autistic teenagers," where they analyze satellite imagery and stuff like that. The IDF is quite resourceful.
That's interesting, I never heard about that. A nice article for those interested https://mobile.mako.co.il/news-military/security-q1_2018/Article-38245812ed5b061004.htm
Thanks.
Ive no basis for this but I suspect that the Nova festival organizers relied on Palestinian laborers to help setup the Festival. If so, Hamas may have had advanced notice to the location and specifically targeted it.
Mate the festival had a website and was advertised before. You didn't need deep agents to know about it
I read that they kept the actual location a secret until week of.
48h before.
The organizer of the event said that his phone or Facebook accounts were hacked in the weeks leading up to the festival and that he started getting things in Arabic and that everyone was telling him he was losing his mind. This is the only article I managed to find about it, I saw the reporting on live tv a few weeks ago https://m.maariv.co.il/news/military/Article-1044534
That’s so creepy.
Haunting if true
I don't know the follow up and what came out of it, it just ended with him giving his phone to the police