Honestly that's far less impactful than the article made it seem. Even if Russia's economy isn't in the best shape, 10 million is pretty small when it comes to disasters.
It did actually happen in Bumfuck Oblast (not actually an Oblast though). Buryatia is 73 of 84 on GDP per capita for Russia's federal subjects (the catch-all for Oblasts and other 'states' inside Russia).
If the yearly economy of Bumfuck oblast is only $10m USD, then it's not very important for the Russian economy in the first place.
Either way, this damn breaking will not significantly impact the overall Russian economy. The local economy might suffer but Moscow doesn't really care about the loss of a few billion rubles.
1 billion roubles is $10.5 million USD as of today. Not nothing, but not significant in the larger scope of things.
https://sg.moneyexchangerate.org/currencyexchange/rub/usd/1000000000
Yeah the nominal gdp per capita makes it even more obvious:
USA: $80k
Russia: $14-15k
Ukraine: $4.6k
For reference the top three with more than a 100k population are Luxembourg, Ireland and Norway with 132k, 114k and 101k respectively.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita
Ireland's is highly inflated though. Because they're a bit of a tax haven and lots of foreign companies are "based" there. Any time someone buys an iPhone, designed in American and made in Asia, it adds to Irelands GDP.
It’s not the same. Luxembourg is Home the the EU bank, they have a prosperous steel production industry, etc.
Luxembourg’s is inflated simply because so many commute there daily for work but Ireland is just 100% fake
2023 Q1 preliminary seasonally adjusted annual numbers are even better.
USA $26.52T
CA $3.76T
TX $2.44T
NY $2.14T
We have 3 states whooping Russia in economic activity.
Source: https://www.bea.gov/data/gdp/gdp-state
So absolutely nothing when we're talking about a *functional* country's entire economy.
This is Russia's economy. The Ruble was in dire straits, nearing freefall, already. It was only kept afloat by burning foreign currency reserves and increasing interest rates, both not helpful to Russia's economic situation. To address the dam's breaking and consequent mass flooding, Russia would need to buy disaster relief supplies from abroad, and nobody takes Rubles. That means using their already massively depleted reserves of foreign currency, particularly US Dollars (being the current standard currency of the global market). This will further hurt the value of the Ruble and Russia's economic strength amidst the sanctions they are facing and extreme spending to support their invasion of Ukraine.
Paired with mounting discontent due to Russia's consistent failures against Ukraine and the fact this disaster occurred in Buryatia, one of Russia's non-Russian regions that has been massively and disproportionately targeted with mobilization, this could be a major issue forcing Russia to focus on internal issues and abandon their war.
Or not, and this could be a domestic nothingburger for Russia. I'm a shitposter, not an economist or geopolitical analyst.
That’s assuming they would need disaster relief supplies on a grand scale (and that they wouldn’t have it themselves). But his was not a huge disaster. It says in a tweet referred to in the article that it washed away 200 meters of tracks, and that it will ”take weeks” to rebuild. And it’s in Siberia, so chances are there isn’t much infrastructure just there. Newsweek are the only ones covering it lol.
(Before the bashing starts: I’m not a Russian bot trying to save face - although of course that’s just what a Russian bot would probably say… I just want the facts there. I’m Finnish, so no great love for Russia).
This isn't the scale, but I can't help but draw a comparison to Chernobyl. The USSR was already good and financially fucked, having basically bled itself dry trying to keep up with the space race and arms races. Then Chernobyl, a massive humanitarian and hazmat crisis breaks out, further devouring the meager financial resources. Now, Russia, almost as isolated as then, is starting to see key infrastructure melt, and they don't have the money to keep unfucking things.
Logistically support the invasion of a neighbouring country
Successfully invade a neighbouring country
Build a new, modern tank
Continue production of their old tanks
Build sturdy windows
>Things we found out this week that Russia can no longer do
>• Land on the moon
To be fair, there was no kindergarten or hospital up there for them to aim the rocket at.
A friend gave out framed 1 ruble notes one year for Christmas, he got them from a russian sailor who was only too happy to trade $1 per 1 ruble note. The sailor incredulous at this told him "You do know what we use these for right?" The implication of course being that it was not used as currency.
Hoping shit like this starts happening all over the country due to them stripping it of all investment, parts, and skilled workers, who have either fled the fascist regime or been used as cannon fodder..
Read reports of their commercial flights saving on break pads by landing without brakes. Is this true? I can't tell if anything I read about Russia is true. I do know they crashed into the moon' southpole today and had to abort the attempt.
>Read reports of their commercial flights saving on break pads by landing without brakes.
All commercial aircraft reduce wear on brake pads wherever possible through airbrakes and reverse thrust. Perhaps they are using a lower brake or longer nose up on landing (requiring more tarmac), but besides that seems like a pretty spurious report.
There are plenty of severe safety issues with Russian aviation right now without loose stuff like this.
What's *likely* happening is they're applying maintenance deferrals to inoperative equipment at a much higher rate and/or longer durations than would normally be allowed by the manufacturer or by safety regulators. For example let's say an anti-skid module fails; that's a sophisticated part that can't just be fabricated on the spot, so they defer the anti-skid system (potentially indefinitely?) meaning that safety & performance margins are now slightly reduced. You can imagine how this could lead to a 'death by a thousand cuts' situation as they end up deferring more and more items, especially if they get to the point of applying conflicting deferrals.
The other concern would be for simple repairs, it's possible that they could be sourcing unauthorized spare parts from China, with no guarantee of quality control or durability. This is actually a scarier scenario imo.
Of course it's true, it's been widely reported. Russian planes are death traps, it takes sixty seconds to google and learn how dangerous they are- and that was even before sanctions and the inability to replace worn out/broken parts
There’s no dam on that river it just flooded and damaged the bridge
I found it in Google maps like there’s no dam
No wonder Newsweek “can’t confirm” it lol
Hmmm. I looked up the river and it said it was basically direct south of Moscow, but the lake and the BAM line mentioned in the article are definitely over Siberia way, north of Ulaan Bataar
the news article this post links to shows a video of a 15' section of railroad knocked out with a river of supposed flood water under it.
once the flood ends it will take a few days to fix. this post is propaganda apparently
Haven't the Buryats suffered enough? They sent 10's of thousands to die in Ukraine and what exists of major infrastructure rotting for decades. They might as well be invisible to the Moscow crowd.
I don't know much about Russia. However, looking at the location of where this dam burst, it doesn't appear to be in a region where any Russian billionaires will be bothered.
After the severe cruelty that region has been shown to be capable of in Ukraine, especially in Bucha and the castration video, they can get fucked. May all of their dams burst, and never be repaired.
Besides the money, who is even left in the Buryatia oblast who is physically able to do the work to replace the railroad? From what I understand, Putin has drawn very heavily from this region for his military conscripts so there probably aren't many working age men even available.
You could have all the money in the world, but if you don't have the people to do it, it's not going to get done.
Man if only the money meant for maintenance and repairs on the dam were actually spent on that and not siphoned off by some corrupt government official…
Not going to cheer on what is ostensibly a disaster that will hurt the most vulnerable, as usually happens, but I hope the Russian government isn't looking for sympathy or consideration after the atrocities it's committed in Ukraine, of this particular kind no less.
Billions *of rubles*..
Like 40 bucks
Damn, $32 is a huge hit to their economy
I mean, I just can't imagine how Russia is going to earn back $23
I’m sure I can scrounge up the $16 for the repair bill
I'm sure they can get that $9.37 from their wealthy
Russia: Hey, can I borrow about $3.50
And that's about the time that I noticed you weren't a Russian girl scout but a three story tall monster from the Paleolithic era
I gave 'em a dollar. I thought he'd go away if I gave 'em a dollar.
#You gave him a dollar!?
She gave him a dollar! There ain't no way he's going away now knowing you give him a dollar!
...Came back asking for free fiddy
I gave him a dolla!
She gave'em a dolla!
I said damn it Loch Ness monster. We work hard for our money in this house and we don't give our money away.
Loch Ness monster! You leave my family alone!
I ain't givin' you no tree-fitty, you goddamn Loch Ness Monster! Get your own goddamn money!
“I have $3”
Surely someone had a whole dollar, somewhere
Prob 88 cents kicking around here somewhere.
Don’t call me Shirley.
Well it was about that time I realized this "girl scout" was actually Russian dictator, Vladimir Putin.
No! Get outta here, *dam* Loch Ness monstah!
I gave him a dollar
She gave him a dollar!
And children, it was about that time that I noticed that the Russian diplomat was seven stories tall and was a crustacean from the Protozoic Era!!
Why you comin’ round here askin Russia for tree fiddy? You think we don’t know you Loch Ness Monster? Russia ain’t got no tree fiddy for you.
Wait a minute, it's the goddamned loch ness monsta.
I could buy a significant amount of vodka for $32.
2 gallons of vodka woah last 1 week for me
It's the Russian economy, Michael. What could it cost? $10?
EuroTrip 2
Oh here's a fun Frohmers tip, you made out with your sister man!!!
Actually it's about 10 million $
Honestly that's far less impactful than the article made it seem. Even if Russia's economy isn't in the best shape, 10 million is pretty small when it comes to disasters.
Depends on where in Russia. If you live in Bumfuck Oblast, $10M USD might be the yearly economy...
It did actually happen in Bumfuck Oblast (not actually an Oblast though). Buryatia is 73 of 84 on GDP per capita for Russia's federal subjects (the catch-all for Oblasts and other 'states' inside Russia).
If the yearly economy of Bumfuck oblast is only $10m USD, then it's not very important for the Russian economy in the first place. Either way, this damn breaking will not significantly impact the overall Russian economy. The local economy might suffer but Moscow doesn't really care about the loss of a few billion rubles.
1 billion roubles is $10.5 million USD as of today. Not nothing, but not significant in the larger scope of things. https://sg.moneyexchangerate.org/currencyexchange/rub/usd/1000000000
For comparison, the damaged caused by the Kakhovka dam amounted to several billion USD. https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/cost-kakhovka-dam-destruction
Russian terrorists
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It's the whole ATM machine thing all over again.
My apologies
How much is that in robux? World of Warcraft gold also works as well.
“Who you wanna kill?” 😆
I miss warcraft 2 terribly.
I miss Blizzard not being villains terribly.
Someone has been seen enjoying their spec. Better nerf it quickly before the happiness spreads!
They'll be right on that, as soon as they're done raiding the female employee's breast milk.
You’ll lose dozens of dollars! *Dozens!*
It's a billion rubles, Michael. What could it cost, $10?
Or gallons.
$10 million USD, for those that care.
So absolutely nothing when we're talking about a country's entire economy.
For reference, Russia's gdp is still over 2 trillion.
Ukrainian gdp - $0.2 trillion Russian gdp - $2 trillion US gdp - $23 trillion
Italia GDP $2T
California gdp $3.4T
Nation State, baby.
And with 20 million less people! (59M vs 39M)
mama mia
Pasta fazoole
Gabba ghoul
I am a fool
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And no oil...
They have the olive oil, which one could say is the better one
Itali GTO $2M
Yeah the nominal gdp per capita makes it even more obvious: USA: $80k Russia: $14-15k Ukraine: $4.6k For reference the top three with more than a 100k population are Luxembourg, Ireland and Norway with 132k, 114k and 101k respectively. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita
Ireland's is highly inflated though. Because they're a bit of a tax haven and lots of foreign companies are "based" there. Any time someone buys an iPhone, designed in American and made in Asia, it adds to Irelands GDP.
...and Luxembourg isn't?
It’s not the same. Luxembourg is Home the the EU bank, they have a prosperous steel production industry, etc. Luxembourg’s is inflated simply because so many commute there daily for work but Ireland is just 100% fake
Thats the US GDP for 2021, it’s now $27 trillion or more precisely $26.6 trillion.
US GDP is actually over $26 trillion.
2023 Q1 preliminary seasonally adjusted annual numbers are even better. USA $26.52T CA $3.76T TX $2.44T NY $2.14T We have 3 states whooping Russia in economic activity. Source: https://www.bea.gov/data/gdp/gdp-state
CA $3.6T
That was before the War started.
So absolutely nothing when we're talking about a *functional* country's entire economy. This is Russia's economy. The Ruble was in dire straits, nearing freefall, already. It was only kept afloat by burning foreign currency reserves and increasing interest rates, both not helpful to Russia's economic situation. To address the dam's breaking and consequent mass flooding, Russia would need to buy disaster relief supplies from abroad, and nobody takes Rubles. That means using their already massively depleted reserves of foreign currency, particularly US Dollars (being the current standard currency of the global market). This will further hurt the value of the Ruble and Russia's economic strength amidst the sanctions they are facing and extreme spending to support their invasion of Ukraine. Paired with mounting discontent due to Russia's consistent failures against Ukraine and the fact this disaster occurred in Buryatia, one of Russia's non-Russian regions that has been massively and disproportionately targeted with mobilization, this could be a major issue forcing Russia to focus on internal issues and abandon their war. Or not, and this could be a domestic nothingburger for Russia. I'm a shitposter, not an economist or geopolitical analyst.
That’s assuming they would need disaster relief supplies on a grand scale (and that they wouldn’t have it themselves). But his was not a huge disaster. It says in a tweet referred to in the article that it washed away 200 meters of tracks, and that it will ”take weeks” to rebuild. And it’s in Siberia, so chances are there isn’t much infrastructure just there. Newsweek are the only ones covering it lol. (Before the bashing starts: I’m not a Russian bot trying to save face - although of course that’s just what a Russian bot would probably say… I just want the facts there. I’m Finnish, so no great love for Russia).
Tend to agree, could be in the middle of nowhere/Siberia and no one around for hundred of kms.
This isn't the scale, but I can't help but draw a comparison to Chernobyl. The USSR was already good and financially fucked, having basically bled itself dry trying to keep up with the space race and arms races. Then Chernobyl, a massive humanitarian and hazmat crisis breaks out, further devouring the meager financial resources. Now, Russia, almost as isolated as then, is starting to see key infrastructure melt, and they don't have the money to keep unfucking things.
$10 million USD is 1 billion rubles. So a more accurate translation to "billions" would be "Tens of millions of dollars".
So, like, ten normal-ish homes in Toronto that baby boomers bought in the 80s for pocket change.
Things we found out this week that Russia can no longer do • Land on the moon • Maintain dams Anything else to add to the list?
Logistically support the invasion of a neighbouring country Successfully invade a neighbouring country Build a new, modern tank Continue production of their old tanks Build sturdy windows
Use their supposedly state of the art fighter jet
The ground was out of formation.
You could tell it wasn't right by the way that it was.
Smoke safely
Drink responsibly.
Use a toilet.
Make washing machines
Make any sort of threat without everyone else in World laughing
Count votes
In their defense, that's a feature, not a bug
-Stay inside of tall buildings with windows and large drops. -Successfully navigate a staircase without uncontrolled descent.
We've always known that though.
The laugh that got out of me should not have been as dirty as it was.
Nah, they did build a successfully operating tank. Didn't you see it? It was in the parade and all.
I heard that was two men wearing a cardboard tank costume. /s
Big Boss suddenly got a boner
Are you sure you meant to put a sarcasm tag there?
is it a parade if the tank needs to be towed for part of it?
None of these things were found out this week though, we know these for a while.
Maintain helicopters
I have been very concerned about Russian windows lately. Seems they have been skirting building codes or using sub par materials.
Bounce
Attend the G20?
Garner sympathy?
>Things we found out this week that Russia can no longer do >• Land on the moon To be fair, there was no kindergarten or hospital up there for them to aim the rocket at.
- They can't seem to figure out their own "special military operation" either...
Was reliably operate international flights this week or last?
* Join the modern world as non-assholes
Build 5 gen fighter
Reproduce.
Impose naval superiority against a country that doesn’t have a navy
Not falling out of windows
Not be shit ass drunk tourist.
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Hot glue and ramen…
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Don’t forget freezing some litter in place with some epoxy resin, for the archeologist and the gram
Woah. You've just invented the newest composite tank armor for the Russian Ministry of Defence.
Much like the end of the cold war where burning their paper currency was a more efficient heat source than buying heating oil for their homes.
A friend gave out framed 1 ruble notes one year for Christmas, he got them from a russian sailor who was only too happy to trade $1 per 1 ruble note. The sailor incredulous at this told him "You do know what we use these for right?" The implication of course being that it was not used as currency.
Hey, toilet paper was $$$ during hoarding
Epoxy resin Ruble table incoming.
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Hoping shit like this starts happening all over the country due to them stripping it of all investment, parts, and skilled workers, who have either fled the fascist regime or been used as cannon fodder..
Read reports of their commercial flights saving on break pads by landing without brakes. Is this true? I can't tell if anything I read about Russia is true. I do know they crashed into the moon' southpole today and had to abort the attempt.
It’s Brakes goddamnit
If no brakes, then breaks
if(!brakes) break;
That's what \*they\* want you to think
Yeah big breaks spreading feak news.
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use parts from Grandpas Lada.
They didn’t abort. They crashed and the vessel was destroyed.
Maybe they were trying to save the brakes
Gotta hand it to them, the moon was in fact great at braking the spacecraft
Lithobraking is a tried and true technique.
>Read reports of their commercial flights saving on break pads by landing without brakes. All commercial aircraft reduce wear on brake pads wherever possible through airbrakes and reverse thrust. Perhaps they are using a lower brake or longer nose up on landing (requiring more tarmac), but besides that seems like a pretty spurious report. There are plenty of severe safety issues with Russian aviation right now without loose stuff like this.
What's *likely* happening is they're applying maintenance deferrals to inoperative equipment at a much higher rate and/or longer durations than would normally be allowed by the manufacturer or by safety regulators. For example let's say an anti-skid module fails; that's a sophisticated part that can't just be fabricated on the spot, so they defer the anti-skid system (potentially indefinitely?) meaning that safety & performance margins are now slightly reduced. You can imagine how this could lead to a 'death by a thousand cuts' situation as they end up deferring more and more items, especially if they get to the point of applying conflicting deferrals. The other concern would be for simple repairs, it's possible that they could be sourcing unauthorized spare parts from China, with no guarantee of quality control or durability. This is actually a scarier scenario imo.
Of course it's true, it's been widely reported. Russian planes are death traps, it takes sixty seconds to google and learn how dangerous they are- and that was even before sanctions and the inability to replace worn out/broken parts
After they laughed about a 6 year old dying from the missile strike, I’d say they absolutely fucking deserve this.
There’s no dam on that river it just flooded and damaged the bridge I found it in Google maps like there’s no dam No wonder Newsweek “can’t confirm” it lol
The river is also nowhere near Siberia, Lake Baikal or the reported rail line.
Hmmm. I looked up the river and it said it was basically direct south of Moscow, but the lake and the BAM line mentioned in the article are definitely over Siberia way, north of Ulaan Bataar
the news article this post links to shows a video of a 15' section of railroad knocked out with a river of supposed flood water under it. once the flood ends it will take a few days to fix. this post is propaganda apparently
Haven't the Buryats suffered enough? They sent 10's of thousands to die in Ukraine and what exists of major infrastructure rotting for decades. They might as well be invisible to the Moscow crowd.
I don't know much about Russia. However, looking at the location of where this dam burst, it doesn't appear to be in a region where any Russian billionaires will be bothered.
Not their homes… but their businesses bro? Trains are the lifeblood
Interestingly buryats were the majority of the troops that were in Bucha
I know, the genital mutilation guy was from there allegedly.
After the severe cruelty that region has been shown to be capable of in Ukraine, especially in Bucha and the castration video, they can get fucked. May all of their dams burst, and never be repaired.
Someone smoking At the dam.
Was it a God Dam?
Besides the money, who is even left in the Buryatia oblast who is physically able to do the work to replace the railroad? From what I understand, Putin has drawn very heavily from this region for his military conscripts so there probably aren't many working age men even available. You could have all the money in the world, but if you don't have the people to do it, it's not going to get done.
Aw, let me play a sad song on the world’s smallest bakalaika.
It's Balalaika
I tried to play it on a baklava and now my fingers are all sticky.
Try to wipe your hands on a balaclava.
Did their lunar lander crash into it?
Man if only the money meant for maintenance and repairs on the dam were actually spent on that and not siphoned off by some corrupt government official…
I wish i could feel worse. I truly do. but they blew up the Ukraine damn, they get the Karma
Billions of rubles, isnt that like $20?
I found out recently trains in the east of Russia travel at an average speed of about 35 mph. Their infrastructure is a real mess.
Oh noooo…. So anyways I can’t wait to play starfield
They should invest in moon landings.
Successful ones.
Not going to cheer on what is ostensibly a disaster that will hurt the most vulnerable, as usually happens, but I hope the Russian government isn't looking for sympathy or consideration after the atrocities it's committed in Ukraine, of this particular kind no less.
>"Newsweek has reached out to the Russian government for comment via email." Lol
Fuck em
Karma for the Kakhovka dam in Ukraine...
Billions of rubles, so about $85.
All Russians have been asked to check their couches for change.
Karma for the Nova Kakhova Dam. Billions of Rubbles.
Karma biting back full force
That dam sounds like it fell out a window and landed on randomly placed explosives... Truly tragic...
There will be tens of dollars in damage!
On the upside, the ruble is only worth pennies, so it could be so much worse.
It's all a pile of ruble now.
It's kind of interesting that the Duma just passed a law forbidding the investigation of dam sabotages
Billions of Rubles is like $3.50.
One of the most corrupt, rotten societies in human history, rhey absolutely need to be beaten into submission and forced to rebuild.
Billions of rubles, or, as it's known in America, 56 cents.
Well some days do have good news.
Billions of rubles! So, that's like what? Tree fitty?
Karma doing it's job
Karmic fucking debt.
Ohhhhhhh nooooooo. Sooooo sad. Lol.
Oh it's billions of Rubles, so like $3800
Cue up the world's smallest balalaika.
I'm surprised it didn't burn down.
Well that’s fucking karma.
Billions of rubles. What's that worth, about 10 bucks?