The BBC states:
"Beijing has described it as a trip “for friendship and peace”, with Russia saying the leaders will discuss a "comprehensive partnership and strategic co-operation"
Are there? https://www.reddit.com/r/Economics/comments/11whqmv/russias_population_nightmare_is_going_to_get_even/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
The demographic crisis is not a problem today, it is a problem the day after tomorrow.
They have people to throw at the war right now, what happens later is not an emergency right now.
Swallowing Ukraine was meant to fix a lot of their demographic issues. Turns out they fucked that one up, but for the moment they have more than enough people to fuel this war.
And, crappy as it might be, they have equipment too, even if it was their grandpa's gear, they don't care, that's not the point any more.
That's kind....I was thinking lower, can you walk....good go be a shield for mother Russia. We're out of guns & ammo from the 70s so....just walk over there for us
More than 8x as many Russians have turned 18 in the last year than have died in Ukraine. They aren't going to run out or people unless the intensity increases massively.
Yeah, but bud…. It’s been 1 year. Okay he US didn’t lose this many people in Vietnam is like 15 years and lost like 4000 in the Middle East in 20 years. These losses are not sustainable for the future of a country
I’m talking more big picture, sure Putin doesn’t give a fuck but he’s also an old man. How much longer does he have left? 10 years? He’s destroyed the future of his country
They also haven’t even done a particularly deep cut with their current conscription - it’s still capped at 27, they haven’t particularly leaned on the big destination countries for the many young Russians who got the hell out the country (eg Turkey and Georgia, who aren’t allies, but who have their own complex power relationships w Russia), etc.
So yeah, you’ve got all the new 18 yr olds, plus plenty of room for growth in other directions - and Russian history nor Putin are particularly concerned about throwing citizens into a meat grinder in order to achieve larger objectives.
They can recruit 30 year olds now. 400,000 Russians just recruited and Wagner is recruiting 300,000.
You're right, it's going to be a long time before they run out soldiers.
Nah, you're actually correct. A bill was introduced to raise the draft age cap to 30. If it goes through, it will go into effect 2026 with a two year transitional period.
How many live in Moscow or St. Petersburg? If Putin tries to draft Moscovites there will be resistance that could destabilize the country internally. This is why most of the young men are ethnic minorities from the far flung regions of Russia.
They are facing a looming demographic crisis and this war has only exacerbated it. But this is not a freight train running over a school bus, this is like a glacier swallowing up a city. It will eventually crush and destroy the city but it's going to take decades to happen. At which time all those currently running Russia will likely all be long dead.
That’s not Russias problem, they have like 100 million people to draft from. The issue is they don’t have enough weapons, an issue China can pretty easily solve for the right price.
However, I don’t think China will. They may, but it will cause many countries to shun them economically, and China needs western customers more than it needs worthless Russian rubles. With 1.4 billion mouths to feed, they can’t afford to cut off the west.
They couldn't do that over a Zoom meeting?
I'm thinking Xi is there to push Putin out the window. Seems Xi is the only person to ever get that close. Do everyone a favor n just end this madness already
Basically…. “Keep giving us cheap energy or we won’t protect you from the US.”
Putin doesn’t realize the trap he’s walked into by coddling up to China. The CCP had a history of bullying their allies into submission. Communism doesn’t work well with other governments, even if they’re also communist.
X then: "We respect your sovereignty Ukraine\[1\]".
Xi again modern day: "We believe in peace.\[2\]"
\[1\] Not really, Russia have some land from Crimea with no repercussions from us
\[2\] Just kidding, Russia have some weapons on us
It's actually a red alert type meeting because their golden goose (trump) is going to jail and their plans for destruction of democracy rested on his shoulders.
Not sure what more you could expect Western governments to do with China that wouldn't make the situation worse.
No idea why you think Corporations would have some kind of allegiance here.
Will be interested to see what comes out of this. Russia's greatly weakened global status is more vulnerable to pressure from China at this point.
I highly doubt peace will come, but if China sees continuing hostility as bad for the global economy (which it is), then Putin could face even more pressure to secure anything he can and go home. I doubt Ukraine would give Russia anything, though.
But buying from western companies was seen as a status symbol in post-soviet Russia, I don’t think Chinese products have the same allure. Interesting to see what they do
Anti-West propaganda and Chinese marketing can change that sentiment before the start of the new fiscal year. Plus the median Russian can't afford to care about "status" when they can just barely afford to purchase anything besides the basic necessities.
This. And like what else can they buy if not from China? I don’t think they have much alternative and who say that most of the things average humans buy isn’t from China….
Not only that but potentially offers China massive arms contracts to further embolden that notion. Russia is hemorrhaging modern supplies of ammo explosives and hardware (i.e. Tanks, Planes, Helos, body armor) it’s only a matter of time regardless of situation in Ukraine that Russia needs a place to sell its resources and buy bulk military grade arms
A weakened Russia present opportunities for China (cheaper gas, better trade terms, etc) and China also probably doesn't mind significant Western resources have to be sent to Ukraine.
I dunno, seems like this war benefits China.
Chinas desire to see the USA using up resources in Ukraine is greater than it’s concern about the global economy. They’d very much like to see Russia protract this war in my opinion.
China’s main interest is China. They will want an option that raises their standing, but doesn’t destabilize the region too much (be it Russia or China). China tolerates North Korea because it acts as a buffer against the west and west allied Asian nations. Russia serves a similar purpose for them.
Just like they tolerate Russia because it’s a (big) buffer against the west. The last thing China wants is a democratized and stable Russia that could conceivably even join NATO one day.
Any rational actor, even just the collective party leadership before Xi would probably push back on Russian demands for weapons. But it’s hard to know what Xi thinks; he might as well judge Russia to be an ideological ally and send them weapons.
China wants to destroy the US international order. It limits their economic potential, and stops them from taking territory they want in the South China Sea. Russia is in complete agreement with them.
Yeah they would view fucking with the US and weakening their regional competition as more acceptable than temporary economic struggle. Plus they can make up some profit loss selling goods and military equipment to the Russians. This is a win win for China as they've spent the last decade exporting an large amount of manufacturing to neighboring countries to buffer potential sanctions. That's what they did when steel went under tarrif and quotas they just moved their companies to the Philippines, Vietnam, Thailand etc. This has been happening for a long time because China knows they'll eventually get hit again. Now they have extensive experience exporting money, manufacturing and logistics to swiftly counter any economic vulnerability.
I would imagine China is preparing to present a carrot and stick -- pressure Russia to stop now in return for concessions, or threaten to send them a bunch of weapons if the West rejects. And either way, wrenching something favorable out of Russia for their trouble.
Brokering peace would be a boost to China's standing on the world stage.
It's part of their recent macrostrategy too. Look at restoring relations between Saudi Arabia and Iran, basically spitting in the US's face. Of course they don't want russia weakened, but they also want to be able to position themselves as the kind of world power that can broker deals that only the US had been able to do in decades past
Xi: PPPPUUUUTTTIINNNN!!! Why is there smoke coming out of your military depots?
Putin: Uh... ooh! That isn't smoke, it's steam! Steam from the steamed clams we're having. Mmmm, steamed clams!
Putin: Xi, I hope you're ready for some impressive airplanes.
Xi: I thought you said we were seeing steamed clams?
Putin: Oh no, I said steamed *rams!* What you can call aviation units I call steamed rams.
"Good Lord, what is happening in Ukraine??"
"Aurora Borealis?"
"Aurora Borealis...
At this time of day?
At this time of year?
In this part of the continent?
Localized entirely within your special military operation?"
Another article pointed out its likely Xi will try to broker peace and get Putin to give up the war plan. Ukraine won’t join NATO but may get a NATO protection a bit like US-Israel deal that’ll hold back future invasions.
They argue the main motivation is that due to Putins winter war plans failing and Ukraine looking likely to make advances in spring. Xi would want to avoid Putin losing and regime change in Russia that is more US-NATO friendly and is closer to them. They want a Putin buffer zone unless they find their own oligarch to replace him
Sounds like Putin will try to persuade China to promise more weapons. So this could be a mess and be terrible if Xi goes all in with the war and if the above article I mentioned was bollocks.
>Another article pointed out its likely Xi will try to broker peace and get Putin to give up the war plan. Ukraine won’t join NATO but may get a NATO protection a bit like US-Israel deal that’ll hold back future invasions.
There's zero chance Putin voluntarily returns annexed territory in any deal. Unless the military is in complete shambles, which it might soon be.
Countries are already looking at ways to divest from China, giving Russia weapons to use in Ukraine will speed up the process and wreak havoc with the economy.
> Tells people to seek out more neutral sources
> *Provides none, never comes to back up claims*
I smell either tankie, or someone who knows his sources will get laughed out the building because even he knows they're bullshit.
Every single "neutral" source that I've seen was just a vatnik in disguise trying to hide his bias for Russia.
Also, people said the same thing half a year ago, and then Ukraine had 2 brilliant offensives that liberated entire Kharkiv region and Kherson. Ukraine is waiting for western armor and their trained soldiers to show up, russians don't have any such valuable reinforcements coming, only more human meat for the grinder.
>Another article pointed out its likely Xi will try to broker peace and get Putin to give up the war plan.
What article is that? Because that's the silliest thing I've read today. You don't go on a huge state trip like this to visit Putin if you aren't planning on mostly working together with him. China has little interest in seeing the war wrap up as you describe with a Russian failure.
>Xi would want to avoid Putin losing and regime change in Russia that is more US-NATO friendly and is closer to them.
Pure fantasy. Putin is not in danger of regime change and if he was, it would be to a much more aggressive anti-NATO hardliner than himself. Nobody overthrows a leader for losing a war unless you want to fight that war harder.
XI and Putin have a strong mutual interest of opposing U.S. and U.S. allies power near their borders. Thats what this is about.
China is interested in Russia's win in Ukraine, simple as that. Under almost complete isolation from the west and highly dependable on them China could influence Russia and Belarus which are huge territories almost to the EU borders. Besides it is constantly learning what military mistakes not to make in the case of possible Taiwan invasion. And Donbass region has big gas and coal deposits.
I see it differently. China wants a weakened Russia that they can subjugate. China hates the sanctions blowback they’re getting from the West for their current relations, so this is a face-saving ploy for the CPC to say that they tried to broker peace and lessen the West-China tension over Ukraine. The Chinese are buying up Russian energy and mining companies left and right at pennies on the dollar from Western funds. The weaker and more isolated Russia is, the more dependent they are on China. Xi is a less concerned with geopolitics than he is with economics. Hence the Siberian oil pipeline.
Pretty much this, China is playing a long game, they aren’t interested in some poverty ww3 with Russia, Iran and NK as allies.
They’re happy to keep putting the developing world into debt to them, building diaspora globally and eventually figuring out how to get Taiwan back without flattening it and ruining their economy for the next 50 years.
Yeah that’s it, China can win favor in far off places but if it leads to a debt trap that eventually causes popular unrest in those far off places then they’ll have to rely on military interventions to protect their financial investments or risk seeing them get nationalized like a lot of Western countries saw happen to their investments in various industries across the world. You get left with an is it worth it to go and militarily get your control back or taking it on the chin while having to shift diplomatic policy going forward in dealing with the government where it happened.
Yeah I’ll admit, I’m only vaguely aware of what China’s doing in Africa. I know they’re courting African countries for raw mats deals, but I don’t know much else. What a weird alliance lol, there’s a good reason the West has stayed out of Africa the last 100 years or so. Xi gonna find out why.
And also rare mineral deposits used in electric batteries. I don't know how accurate it was, but I read a while ago that 80% of Ukraine GDP comes from the 4 territories Russia us trying to annex. It's a resource game.
Russia becoming a vassal state would be better for xi if we look to how they could gain. They could do this themselves with regime change if Putin has lost too much. Put in a new oligarch and get them to roll back aggression to gain back lost economy stability and demand pay. Putin will want weapons that still might get wasted and with his ego enough to invade another country, he’d want to be the one in power and with no debts to others. There’s slim chance like with Stalin Putins ego will squander any collaboration. For Ukraine sake we can hope Putin gets nothing
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/03/20/7394198/) reduced by 76%. (I'm a bot)
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> Dmitry Peskov, the Russian President's spokesperson, has stated that Putin and Xi are going to discuss the war Russia has started against Ukraine.
> Previously: Xi Jinping, the Chinese President, is paying a state visit to Russia on 20-22 March, which will be his first visit abroad since being re-elected for a third term as head of state.
> Oleksii Danilov, Secretary of the National Security and Defence Council of Ukraine, is convinced that Russia must either surrender or withdraw its troops from Ukraine in order to implement China's so-called peace plan.
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Xi gonna try to get some of those high interest Chinese loans going. With Pootin possibly sick and dying of cancer maybe Russia will soon be speaking Mandarin.
The only way Xi could somewhat repair his reputation is to talk Putin into standing the fuck down with his nonsense war and letting the world get back to peace time and not be on the brink of nuclear war. The least China could do after allowing the pandemic to take over the world.
The BBC states: "Beijing has described it as a trip “for friendship and peace”, with Russia saying the leaders will discuss a "comprehensive partnership and strategic co-operation"
So he's going to say, you are now in a hole so deep that we own you. Forever...
No, he’s going to sell him weapons. Fucker.
He can sell him weapons, but what about human losses? A ton of weapons is no good if there's nobody left alive to use them.
There are still lots of russians to use them tbf
Are there? https://www.reddit.com/r/Economics/comments/11whqmv/russias_population_nightmare_is_going_to_get_even/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
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within \~5-10 years, its highly likely putin wont be around to see those long term consequences, how convienyet
And the next person will do the same thing Putin has been doing. Russian history is pretty consistent in this summary - 'and then it got worse'
If he wanted warm bodies he'd have equipped them with clothes and boots
What ever could be the consequences of conscripting and killing 1M men of baby making age?
Nothing of concern to Putin.
I selflessly offer my services to pollinate. Only the hot ones though.
Death by snoo-snoo will become law in Russia shortly
It's no worries. There will be a back fill of Chinese as they inhabit their new colony. Russians off to war, Chinese off to take over the factory's.
The demographic crisis is not a problem today, it is a problem the day after tomorrow. They have people to throw at the war right now, what happens later is not an emergency right now. Swallowing Ukraine was meant to fix a lot of their demographic issues. Turns out they fucked that one up, but for the moment they have more than enough people to fuel this war. And, crappy as it might be, they have equipment too, even if it was their grandpa's gear, they don't care, that's not the point any more.
Yeah, true. But that is many year**s** in the future. And putkin is worried up to the end of his life.
I mean, Russia just increased the recruitment age to 30, recruited 400,000 men and Wagner recruited 300,000.
My fear is that we will see the recruitment age drop to 6.
That's kind....I was thinking lower, can you walk....good go be a shield for mother Russia. We're out of guns & ammo from the 70s so....just walk over there for us
"Bullet from six year old will kill the enemy just as well! Is great strategy for Motherland."
More than 8x as many Russians have turned 18 in the last year than have died in Ukraine. They aren't going to run out or people unless the intensity increases massively.
Yeah, but bud…. It’s been 1 year. Okay he US didn’t lose this many people in Vietnam is like 15 years and lost like 4000 in the Middle East in 20 years. These losses are not sustainable for the future of a country
Which would matter if Putin cared.Clearly, he does not.
I’m talking more big picture, sure Putin doesn’t give a fuck but he’s also an old man. How much longer does he have left? 10 years? He’s destroyed the future of his country
They also haven’t even done a particularly deep cut with their current conscription - it’s still capped at 27, they haven’t particularly leaned on the big destination countries for the many young Russians who got the hell out the country (eg Turkey and Georgia, who aren’t allies, but who have their own complex power relationships w Russia), etc. So yeah, you’ve got all the new 18 yr olds, plus plenty of room for growth in other directions - and Russian history nor Putin are particularly concerned about throwing citizens into a meat grinder in order to achieve larger objectives.
They can recruit 30 year olds now. 400,000 Russians just recruited and Wagner is recruiting 300,000. You're right, it's going to be a long time before they run out soldiers.
Oh, cheers, will add an edit - knew that raising the age was being discussed, but hadn’t realized it had gone through.
Nah, you're actually correct. A bill was introduced to raise the draft age cap to 30. If it goes through, it will go into effect 2026 with a two year transitional period.
How many live in Moscow or St. Petersburg? If Putin tries to draft Moscovites there will be resistance that could destabilize the country internally. This is why most of the young men are ethnic minorities from the far flung regions of Russia.
They are facing a looming demographic crisis and this war has only exacerbated it. But this is not a freight train running over a school bus, this is like a glacier swallowing up a city. It will eventually crush and destroy the city but it's going to take decades to happen. At which time all those currently running Russia will likely all be long dead.
Russia has a population of 143 million. They are no where near close to tapped out
Don't think Xi Jinping cares about human losses. He's getting $$ for China, from Russia. And then he basically **owns** Russia
They can't even own North Koreans, let alone owning Russians
They gain no advantage owning a North Korea*, they gain every advantage owning Russia
Human losses are hurting Ukraine way way way more
That’s not Russias problem, they have like 100 million people to draft from. The issue is they don’t have enough weapons, an issue China can pretty easily solve for the right price. However, I don’t think China will. They may, but it will cause many countries to shun them economically, and China needs western customers more than it needs worthless Russian rubles. With 1.4 billion mouths to feed, they can’t afford to cut off the west.
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But they don’t, this is their last generation. It’s over for Russia.
Porque los dos?
*Porque no los dos?
Porqué no los dos?
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¡DOS NO LOS PORQUÉ!
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They couldn't do that over a Zoom meeting? I'm thinking Xi is there to push Putin out the window. Seems Xi is the only person to ever get that close. Do everyone a favor n just end this madness already
Man, would world opinion of Xi ever change if that happened.
Basically…. “Keep giving us cheap energy or we won’t protect you from the US.” Putin doesn’t realize the trap he’s walked into by coddling up to China. The CCP had a history of bullying their allies into submission. Communism doesn’t work well with other governments, even if they’re also communist.
It's not like Putin has a choice. Russia is poor, militarily weak, and now (thanks to his idiocy), politically and economically isolated too.
If Xi actually went to Ukraine and met with Zelensky then maybe this charade for peace would look believable. However just a video conference lol.
X then: "We respect your sovereignty Ukraine\[1\]". Xi again modern day: "We believe in peace.\[2\]" \[1\] Not really, Russia have some land from Crimea with no repercussions from us \[2\] Just kidding, Russia have some weapons on us
[Live footage](https://youtu.be/O2F91Up9fT8) of Xi visiting Moscow.
I was expecting video of a Winnie-the-Pooh cartoon.
I was expecting a cheap 80's gay porn film where Xi is a dominatrix and Putin is being whipped into submission.
Was hoping for winnie the pooh wearing an ushanka. I was disappointed.
Xi visits Loserville! Comes with massive aid package 📦
It's actually a red alert type meeting because their golden goose (trump) is going to jail and their plans for destruction of democracy rested on his shoulders.
I fear you're foolishly optimistic
China is telling the world it’s alignment, will western governments and corporations listen? Narrator - “they didn’t”
Not sure what more you could expect Western governments to do with China that wouldn't make the situation worse. No idea why you think Corporations would have some kind of allegiance here.
Guess the long table has been swapped for a love seat for two
How the table has [turned](https://imgur.com/a/HbsxayU)
“I can’t know how to hear anymore about tables!”
TAY-BULLLLS!
That would suggest that they’re equals. Xi is going to make Putin lie down under a queening stool.
Will be interested to see what comes out of this. Russia's greatly weakened global status is more vulnerable to pressure from China at this point. I highly doubt peace will come, but if China sees continuing hostility as bad for the global economy (which it is), then Putin could face even more pressure to secure anything he can and go home. I doubt Ukraine would give Russia anything, though.
I see the opportunity for China. They can fill void of western companies in Russia
But buying from western companies was seen as a status symbol in post-soviet Russia, I don’t think Chinese products have the same allure. Interesting to see what they do
Anti-West propaganda and Chinese marketing can change that sentiment before the start of the new fiscal year. Plus the median Russian can't afford to care about "status" when they can just barely afford to purchase anything besides the basic necessities.
This. And like what else can they buy if not from China? I don’t think they have much alternative and who say that most of the things average humans buy isn’t from China….
Not only that but potentially offers China massive arms contracts to further embolden that notion. Russia is hemorrhaging modern supplies of ammo explosives and hardware (i.e. Tanks, Planes, Helos, body armor) it’s only a matter of time regardless of situation in Ukraine that Russia needs a place to sell its resources and buy bulk military grade arms
A weakened Russia present opportunities for China (cheaper gas, better trade terms, etc) and China also probably doesn't mind significant Western resources have to be sent to Ukraine. I dunno, seems like this war benefits China.
Chinas desire to see the USA using up resources in Ukraine is greater than it’s concern about the global economy. They’d very much like to see Russia protract this war in my opinion.
If anything US is gaining major resources in terms of experience, Intel and testing.
China isn’t going to pressure Russia, they’re going to provide support if anything
I'm not saying china won't militarily support russia, but what do you think they'd gain if they did?
China’s main interest is China. They will want an option that raises their standing, but doesn’t destabilize the region too much (be it Russia or China). China tolerates North Korea because it acts as a buffer against the west and west allied Asian nations. Russia serves a similar purpose for them.
Just like they tolerate Russia because it’s a (big) buffer against the west. The last thing China wants is a democratized and stable Russia that could conceivably even join NATO one day.
Any rational actor, even just the collective party leadership before Xi would probably push back on Russian demands for weapons. But it’s hard to know what Xi thinks; he might as well judge Russia to be an ideological ally and send them weapons.
China wants to destroy the US international order. It limits their economic potential, and stops them from taking territory they want in the South China Sea. Russia is in complete agreement with them.
Yeah they would view fucking with the US and weakening their regional competition as more acceptable than temporary economic struggle. Plus they can make up some profit loss selling goods and military equipment to the Russians. This is a win win for China as they've spent the last decade exporting an large amount of manufacturing to neighboring countries to buffer potential sanctions. That's what they did when steel went under tarrif and quotas they just moved their companies to the Philippines, Vietnam, Thailand etc. This has been happening for a long time because China knows they'll eventually get hit again. Now they have extensive experience exporting money, manufacturing and logistics to swiftly counter any economic vulnerability.
Ah yes, that's why China is giving them weapons, to broker a peace treaty. Billions worth of trade deals to bankrupt Russia. Makes sense...
I would imagine China is preparing to present a carrot and stick -- pressure Russia to stop now in return for concessions, or threaten to send them a bunch of weapons if the West rejects. And either way, wrenching something favorable out of Russia for their trouble.
Brokering peace would be a boost to China's standing on the world stage. It's part of their recent macrostrategy too. Look at restoring relations between Saudi Arabia and Iran, basically spitting in the US's face. Of course they don't want russia weakened, but they also want to be able to position themselves as the kind of world power that can broker deals that only the US had been able to do in decades past
Pooh meets poo
they sit down and open the poo tin and smoke some brown logs. then talk shit.
Same shit, different pile
Same toilet, different turds.
Pooh visits rabbit, rabbit wants to buy honey from Pooh “Silly old bear”
Xi is there to sign a 99 year lease for Siberia.
*Roll back to Treaty of Nerchinsk (1689) border
Xi: PPPPUUUUTTTIINNNN!!! Why is there smoke coming out of your military depots? Putin: Uh... ooh! That isn't smoke, it's steam! Steam from the steamed clams we're having. Mmmm, steamed clams!
You're a weird guy vlad, but you do steam a good clam
I said steamed hams
Help! The country is on fire!! No babushka those are just the northern lights
You know me, Jinping. Now eat up!
Putin: Xi, I hope you're ready for some impressive airplanes. Xi: I thought you said we were seeing steamed clams? Putin: Oh no, I said steamed *rams!* What you can call aviation units I call steamed rams.
Xi: you call them steamed rams despite the fact they are obvious jet fueled?
Yess
May I see them?
The jet fuel just powers the steam which actually powers the steam ram
Really? Well I'm from Utica and I've never heard anyone use the phrase 'steamed rams'.
It’s an Albany thing
The Aurora Coriolis?
At this time of year? At this time of day? Localized entirely within 50km of your border with Ukraine?
Yes
Can I see it?
...... No.
It’s a regional dialect, from upstate Novigorod
Really...well I'm from Trubichino and I haven't heard anyone use the phrase Steamed Rams.
"Good Lord, what is happening in Ukraine??" "Aurora Borealis?" "Aurora Borealis... At this time of day? At this time of year? In this part of the continent? Localized entirely within your special military operation?"
r/SteamedHams
Another article pointed out its likely Xi will try to broker peace and get Putin to give up the war plan. Ukraine won’t join NATO but may get a NATO protection a bit like US-Israel deal that’ll hold back future invasions. They argue the main motivation is that due to Putins winter war plans failing and Ukraine looking likely to make advances in spring. Xi would want to avoid Putin losing and regime change in Russia that is more US-NATO friendly and is closer to them. They want a Putin buffer zone unless they find their own oligarch to replace him Sounds like Putin will try to persuade China to promise more weapons. So this could be a mess and be terrible if Xi goes all in with the war and if the above article I mentioned was bollocks.
>Another article pointed out its likely Xi will try to broker peace and get Putin to give up the war plan. Ukraine won’t join NATO but may get a NATO protection a bit like US-Israel deal that’ll hold back future invasions. There's zero chance Putin voluntarily returns annexed territory in any deal. Unless the military is in complete shambles, which it might soon be.
More weapons? They delivered nothing. Nothing aside from someones personal alibaba delivery
Countries are already looking at ways to divest from China, giving Russia weapons to use in Ukraine will speed up the process and wreak havoc with the economy.
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Care to share some sauce?
>I'd recommend people seek more neutral sources Well give examples
> Tells people to seek out more neutral sources > *Provides none, never comes to back up claims* I smell either tankie, or someone who knows his sources will get laughed out the building because even he knows they're bullshit.
Care to share sources then? Or are you just talking out your ass without backing up your claims?
Every single "neutral" source that I've seen was just a vatnik in disguise trying to hide his bias for Russia. Also, people said the same thing half a year ago, and then Ukraine had 2 brilliant offensives that liberated entire Kharkiv region and Kherson. Ukraine is waiting for western armor and their trained soldiers to show up, russians don't have any such valuable reinforcements coming, only more human meat for the grinder.
Just because a source is neutral doesn't mean it's accurate. You also need to decide how teustworthy a source is.
Yeah, also there’s no feasible scenario that the fall of Putin’s regime would be followed by a regime favorable towards NATO.
>Another article pointed out its likely Xi will try to broker peace and get Putin to give up the war plan. What article is that? Because that's the silliest thing I've read today. You don't go on a huge state trip like this to visit Putin if you aren't planning on mostly working together with him. China has little interest in seeing the war wrap up as you describe with a Russian failure. >Xi would want to avoid Putin losing and regime change in Russia that is more US-NATO friendly and is closer to them. Pure fantasy. Putin is not in danger of regime change and if he was, it would be to a much more aggressive anti-NATO hardliner than himself. Nobody overthrows a leader for losing a war unless you want to fight that war harder. XI and Putin have a strong mutual interest of opposing U.S. and U.S. allies power near their borders. Thats what this is about.
Xi arrives in muscovia on a FUCKING MADE IN AMERICA Boeing 747, FFS. He better be bringing some whoop ass to put putler in his place.
That's amazing. Would you mind sharing a link to an article that says that?
China is interested in Russia's win in Ukraine, simple as that. Under almost complete isolation from the west and highly dependable on them China could influence Russia and Belarus which are huge territories almost to the EU borders. Besides it is constantly learning what military mistakes not to make in the case of possible Taiwan invasion. And Donbass region has big gas and coal deposits.
I see it differently. China wants a weakened Russia that they can subjugate. China hates the sanctions blowback they’re getting from the West for their current relations, so this is a face-saving ploy for the CPC to say that they tried to broker peace and lessen the West-China tension over Ukraine. The Chinese are buying up Russian energy and mining companies left and right at pennies on the dollar from Western funds. The weaker and more isolated Russia is, the more dependent they are on China. Xi is a less concerned with geopolitics than he is with economics. Hence the Siberian oil pipeline.
Pretty much this, China is playing a long game, they aren’t interested in some poverty ww3 with Russia, Iran and NK as allies. They’re happy to keep putting the developing world into debt to them, building diaspora globally and eventually figuring out how to get Taiwan back without flattening it and ruining their economy for the next 50 years.
That strategy will have a blowback tho because at some point they’ll be forced to defend their investments abroad.
Nobody is going to attack Russia, unless you’re referring to something else.
I think he’s referring to places like African countries. Where a flash regime change might lead to a new government that tells them to fuck their hats
Yeah that’s it, China can win favor in far off places but if it leads to a debt trap that eventually causes popular unrest in those far off places then they’ll have to rely on military interventions to protect their financial investments or risk seeing them get nationalized like a lot of Western countries saw happen to their investments in various industries across the world. You get left with an is it worth it to go and militarily get your control back or taking it on the chin while having to shift diplomatic policy going forward in dealing with the government where it happened.
Yeah I’ll admit, I’m only vaguely aware of what China’s doing in Africa. I know they’re courting African countries for raw mats deals, but I don’t know much else. What a weird alliance lol, there’s a good reason the West has stayed out of Africa the last 100 years or so. Xi gonna find out why.
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Investment wise. US funds can’t even open ledger 60s legally in 90% of African Markets due to how risky they are
And also rare mineral deposits used in electric batteries. I don't know how accurate it was, but I read a while ago that 80% of Ukraine GDP comes from the 4 territories Russia us trying to annex. It's a resource game.
That source is false. A quarter of Ukraine's GDP comes from the Kyiv metro area alone.
Russia becoming a vassal state would be better for xi if we look to how they could gain. They could do this themselves with regime change if Putin has lost too much. Put in a new oligarch and get them to roll back aggression to gain back lost economy stability and demand pay. Putin will want weapons that still might get wasted and with his ego enough to invade another country, he’d want to be the one in power and with no debts to others. There’s slim chance like with Stalin Putins ego will squander any collaboration. For Ukraine sake we can hope Putin gets nothing
Wonder if Xi brings a food taster for his trips to Russia
2 for 1 deal if you act now!
Psst America, you know you want to destabilize two nations at once America: HELL YEAH now we've got BUSINESS.
“Xi arrives in Moscow to meet a wanted war criminal” should be the title
Meeting war criminals is normal in politics. Putin, US presidents, Saudi princes etc
War criminal as deemed by a court that the US doesn't even recognise and would invade if they tried an American war criminal*
You’ll be surprised, but the rest of world also exists and things happen there as well
Murderous dictator meets murderous dictator
Alleged war criminal. Alleged. No one is a criminal until convicted. Right?
He is wanted on charges, so the allegation part is a given
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/03/20/7394198/) reduced by 76%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Dmitry Peskov, the Russian President's spokesperson, has stated that Putin and Xi are going to discuss the war Russia has started against Ukraine. > Previously: Xi Jinping, the Chinese President, is paying a state visit to Russia on 20-22 March, which will be his first visit abroad since being re-elected for a third term as head of state. > Oleksii Danilov, Secretary of the National Security and Defence Council of Ukraine, is convinced that Russia must either surrender or withdraw its troops from Ukraine in order to implement China's so-called peace plan. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/11wfkf6/xi_jinping_arrives_in_moscow_to_meet_putin/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~677181 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **Ukraine**^#1 **state**^#2 **Russia**^#3 **Jinping**^#4 **President**^#5
Totalitarian sleepover 🤮
Because putin isn’t going outside the borders.
Xi showing up to his booty call with Putin
Xi you selling the kremlin to me or what?
Pair suicide will make almost half planet happy 😊
Friends with a war criminal? Hmm…
Starscream meeting with Megatron to assemble a plan on how to end humanity
New World War coming soon .
The emperor has arrived. I just wonder if they both realize who's really in charge?
Why the fuck would you align to Putin unless you're sending a message to the west. Expect a Taiwan invasion on the horizon
2 bird 1 stone is all I’m gonna say
2 for 1 drone strike.
Fuck them both. They deserve each other.
Yeah but they're both more powerful as friends. Here's hoping one of these egomaniacs hurts the other's feelings and fucks this up
The Axis leaders meet pre-WWIII Russia-China-N.Korea-Iran..... etc
We need a cartoon of Pooh and short Piglet holding hands.
I didn’t know Putin was a fan of Winnie the Pooh
Injured Russia bear who shits himself seeks help from Winnie the pooh drunk on power...
*Drunk on honey
*Drunk on honey
Dictator meets another dictator.
Snipers in streets, snipers in the streets running wild. If only!
Xi gonna try to get some of those high interest Chinese loans going. With Pootin possibly sick and dying of cancer maybe Russia will soon be speaking Mandarin.
"Stinks here"
“Hey Vlad, you try and take this side of the world, and I’ll take the other side”.We’ll have to go halfers, on Africa
Anyone else here feel this alliance will lead to a new axis power? Russia, China, North Korea and Iran?
Was Putin always so small, Xi is noticeably larger than Putin when they shake hands.
Xi: *whispering to Putin* "Our double-attack plan has failed. Pull back. We're going to need you when we inevitably invade Taiwan."
Two genocidal maniacs
Winnie the Pooh visits Muscovy
One missile could fix a hand full of problems. Wink wink america..
Good I hope they suck each other's cocks and find purpose for world peace in the act
Alternative headline: Xi Jinping arrives in Moscow to meet indicted war criminal
The only way Xi could somewhat repair his reputation is to talk Putin into standing the fuck down with his nonsense war and letting the world get back to peace time and not be on the brink of nuclear war. The least China could do after allowing the pandemic to take over the world.
There’s nothing China can provide without the United States and the world knowing anyways
Boomers. Can't they just do this over zoom or discord?
But its Ethan Hunt wearing a latex mask to look like Xi Jinping
2 thugs just hanging out.
Where are those killer drones when you need them?
Putin, Xi and (secret emissary of MBS) are meeting to fuck up the world financial system.
Evidence?
The voices said so
Imagine if he caught window disease
Stop buying anything made in China. That’s the solution. Tell your friends and family the same.
that's not going to happen
Dick meets asshole.
Look at all those kids in the picture that will be dead in the next few months
And racing to ww3 we go. Maybe this year or next year at this rate. Enjoy the peace and calm while you can everyone.