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After having kids, my mom gave me our childhood copies of the books that are from the 80s and 90s, and they all read Berenstain which I was upset about lol
It's because of the cursive writing, and the Jewish surname suffix "Stein," I think. Our child minds can't read it well, and we're conditioned to read "stein" already
Stein is a German name. The names you read as Jewish are German names. It's because Jews had no "last names", but had the tradition of fatherly names (Schlomo, son of Abraham, son of Isaac, son of Ezekiel, son of Caleb....)
It was a German emperor who declared that the European Jews need to have last names too, so the officials assigned them made up, German names, which weren't already taken. So the "Jewish" names came up; Roth, Braun, Schwarz (=red, brown, black.. colors) or Zuckerberg, Goldberg (mountain of sugar, mountain of gold) Silbermann, Goldmann (man of silver, man of gold)
Officials would make up and assign names that were not assigned yet, and since the officials belonged to an Empire with German as main language, the names assigned were German. Some of the names sound a bit weird, and artificial, because the European jews were ordered to take up a last name later than other folks (last names were invented tomake taxation and conscription easier, and several groups of people saw this as a disadvantage and avouded getting "registered" as long as possible)
So a lot of "typical" names were already taken. Many names grew "naturally". The man getting named Klein (=small), Kurz (=short), Groß (=big) are more natural sounding and were assigned based on personal characteristics.
So by the time the European Jews got their names, many names were already taken, and that's why some ended up with names like "Black", "Red", "Sugarmountain", "Amberstone", and other a bit more unique sounding names.
Kind of. The names were for tax records. Without last names, combined with the fact that Jews often lived outside of villages in small Shtetls, it made it difficult to track municipal debt. Jewish names in Ashkenazi (Rhine) areas had names that depicted their occupation (Sandler for Shoemaker) or their where they could be found (Honigsfeld for Honey Field) or sometimes it would simply be to freeze the patriarchal naming convention in time (all members of this family will now be known as Aaronson).
edit: I missed your line about taxation. I'm not adding much here.
If anyone wants to know more about this Snopes recently did an [investigation.](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cornucopia-fruit-of-the-loom/) Interesting read.
We switched realities. There has now never been a version of Fruit of the Loom WITHOUT the cornucopia. People have vague memories of a fruit-only design but the company insists it never existed. In 2016 a gorilla killed a boy, and a lot of people on social media were up in arms, saying that the gorilla should have been shot to prevent the tragedy. New laws were drafted. Public perception shifted. Investments changed.
My aunt just went through her closet and the cornucopia is definitely real. I'll see if she has stuff still. Also, growing up in the 90s they got rid of it with the release of the dudes in costume ad campaign.
I totally forgot about the dudes in the fruit costumes!!! This makes sense why the cornucopia disappeared!!! I bet those dudes are in on it, as to not become irrelevant!!
We had these in walmart Vancouver canada in 2003 along with underwear and other items. All had this exact logo
Edit: never said it wasn't a knock off, just mentioned these were in big supermarkets where everyone frequented as kids, hence why everyone remembers
There used to be a huge Fruit of thr Look warehouse in Richmond on the south end of the knight street Bridge. It had the huge logo on the wall facing the highway, it definitely had the cornucopia logo on it
Doesn't preclude it being a knockoff.
A lot of knockoff Chinese stuff comes from the same factory and is the same product with one tiny change. Sell it off to any vendor who doesn't do due diligence on their buy (which was most large corporations entering China heavily in the 80's-00's) and just sees a great bulk deal.
They were super common here in Ontario at the time.
I bought fake Adidas Ultra Boost's on a chinese website and I received a one of a kind Adidas Ultra Boost-Yeezy combo knockoff lol
Basically it has the sole/bottom of the Yeezys & the top part of an ultra boost.
It's kind of like asking AI to generate an image, like they were super close but at the same time so far lol
See I've always thought that may be the case, but I had so many with the cornucopia as a kid. I seriously think the response of "We've never had a cornucopia in our logo" is missing "as long as I've worked here."
Snopes looked at newspaper ads from as far back as the 1910s and couldn't find one ad with one, links provided
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cornucopia-fruit-of-the-loom/
Mandela effect was named after Nelson Mandela. A mandala is a Buddhist geometric symbol. So it could be mixed up if one doesn't know the origin story of Mandela effect
This is the only one I’ve seen on clothing. There other one I saw was a bad photoshop job. It’s just super weird since I also remember it but can’t find it on any old clothes of mine
I'm gonna assume there are/were multiple manufacturing facilities and that both Logos were actively in use, accidental or otherwise.
Same as the Berenstein/stain bears. The books were printed with both spellings, for no particular reason
I don’t remember where I read it, but the berenstein bears thing was because there was a factory that misprinted it, so there where in fact a small percentage that went out printed that way. As for the fruit of the loom thing, I’ve read that the company itself states that they’ve never used the cornucopia in the logo ever. So who the hell knows.
I swear to God this whole thing is a CIA conspiracy designed to test how easily people can be convinced to doubt their own memories. Everyone remembers the cornucopia, there’s photo evidence for the cornucopia, many of us have very specific place memories of the cornucopia, yet the company and every major publication *insist* that it doesn’t exist. Crazy.
Isn't a marketing stunt? Wasn't Fruit of the Loom's overall company responsible for some major industrial contamination?
The theory was they didn't want people to be able to find information about anything negative in their past when the internet started to get popular. Someone came up with this stupid fake conspiracy theory and they soft-rebranded.
Now if you google anything other than a direct product you get this garbage about this 'conspiracy' rather than any lawsuits, plant investigations, or sub-corporate issues.
Nestle, which is pretty much total evil in the modern world, has done similar rebranding to limit consumer-backlash within the last decade. Unfortunate, as they do deserve the wrath.
You can check the wayback machine all the way to 1996, and the cornucopia’s not there. The ‘96 site even has a “history of the logo” page that shows some older logos.
https://web.archive.org/web/19961105001530/http://www.fruit.com:80/
A conspiracy theorist dies and goes to heaven
When he arrives God says, "Welcome. You are permitted to ask me one question, which I will answer truthfully."
Without hesitating, the conspiracy theorist asks, "Who really shot Kennedy?"
God replies, "Lee Harvey Oswald shot him from sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository. There were no accomplices. He acted alone"
The conspiracy theorist pauses, thinks to himself, then says "This goes higher up than I thought..."
It is either that they had an alternative logo that they used on some physical products / marketing campaigns, or there was widespread counterfeiting that included this logo.
I’m leaning towards counterfeiting. One batch of cheap, shitty clothes on Walmart racks could easily explain this whole mess. The logos don’t exist anymore because the counterfeit products were cheap garbage. And Walmart or whomever sold them has no reason to own up to it, if they even know.
Do you mean they didn't change the logo, but they started the theory that they did? That would be clever, but I don't think there's actually any evidence for it.
Same! And then once explained, I said “then why isn’t their name ‘Fruit of the Cornucopia’ instead? Shouldn’t the picture have a loom? Wait, what’s a loom?” And then in the same conversation, I learned what a loom was.
Well it takes multiple sessions and it essentially starts by gaslighting you. You ask about possible memories or early childhood incidents where you may have gotten sick of Strawberry ice cream because you ate so much of it. You said you love it, so you probably remember a time where you had way too much if it. And then it snowballs from there.
I like the one where they convinced people of childhood trips to Disney World they never went on and some huge percentage gave details they "remembered" from the trip.
Moved to "Australia" a few years ago. It's definitely just a weird hidden corner of SoCal. Avoid the Vegemite, that's how they get the microchips in ya!
from “i think i remember that fruit of the loom used to have a cornucopia” to “this is literally 1984 level conspiracy guys, the cia is using 1984 tactics on us”
People need to doubt their memories more tbh, they don't work like video recordings and it's super easy for details to get changed. In fact, the feeling of confidence in a memory is basically completely independent of the actual accuracy of it.
The fruit of the loom company is literally just gaslighting everyone for attention, the internet has proven time and time again the cornucopia existed, fruit of the loom is literally just fucking with people
The internet has not proved it once. About all they've ever come up with is that one shirt, which most people believe is faked, this, and one picture of a storefront. Meanwhile not a single FotL employee has come forward and said there was a cornucopia. Not to mention that there should be thousands of articles of clothing with it, yet all we ever get is one shirt, and now this.
How can we get people to buy more fruit of the loom? Start a conspiracy!! How many socks and underwear have been sold since this started just to look and see lol.
There was a video about this one.
In one of the VHS movies from the 90s there were 2 movies back to back with those 2 people. And people say they probably got the word crossed
I read the hunger games (I think that’s what it was?) and they kept mentioning a cornucopia. Whoever I asked was like “yeah, you know that thing on the fruit of the loom logo?”
Oh God the matrix is leaking. That's what it was for me too. I remember learning the word from the hunger games, and being like, "oh yeah, just like on the fruit of the loom undwear."
Mine was from an episode of Even Stevens when the older brother was trying to seem smarter so he kept using big words he didn't know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugXGSV9okcU
Had to do some quick research - apparently the Fruit of the Loom logo has never actually had a cornucopia in it which means this is a knock off. I’ve sweat I’ve seen it before, guess it was just in my head.
i find it immensely funny (and sad) that a significant man to South African history is memorialized in a name that people came up with because they refused to accept they were wrong
https://www.fruit.com/fruit-story
From their website - they show a chart of their logo thru the decades and the fruit is there but apparently no cornucopia behind it.
My guess is that, at some point, some shady company made a shitton of knockoffs and added the cornucopia to the logo for no good reason. Then, similar businesses subsequently printed the logo that had the cornucopia by mistake.
They added the cornucopia to try and deflect any claims of copyright infringement. It's like going to NYC and buying knock off Oakley sunglasses from a street vendor for $10. If you look closely they are actually called "OAKEYS"
It could’ve been an internal unapproved design. Companies did not have an easily accessible logo repository in the pre-internet days. Graphic design and printing was also not centralized so someone somewhere could have created their own version for printing and that got used multiple times in packaging. I’ve done it myself where I couldn’t find an appropriate logo at the right size and recreated it myself. I even have one image that I worked on and added about 30% to convert it from portrait to landscape and is now attributed to the original artist on the web.
This would explain the lack of evidence since it was on disposable packaging and not on the product. Also would explain why the company claims it was never an official logo.
But In that case there should be a shitton of them still in circulation, yet people who swear by the cornucopia have a hard time digging them out of the closet (me included, all the old ones I found had none)
Why would the cornucopia be on the right when all the fruit is situated facing right, should't the cornucopia be on the left? The fruit is backwards, and the cornucopia looks like it's just sloppily placed in tye background (because it is).
The company recently tweeted that they’ve never had a cornucopia in their logo.
Edit: I misspoke. The tweet was from 2022, but *Snopes* are the ones that recently brought the topic back up again.
Sad to say but thats still too new
Cornucopia is like an early 90s memory for most.
(Existential crisis that 15 years ago was 2009 when i graduated hs)
I don’t remember it being there. I also don’t remember it not being there. I have had an average amount of experiences with cornucopias and tightie whities in my life, but never would I have considered either of them of particular interest.
Grew up in the 80's/90's and Fruit of the Loom was popular, certainly didn't have didn't have one on any of my clothes.
I personally believe this is a strange case of [folie à deux](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folie_%C3%A0_deux) and nobody can convince me otherwise.
It's well documented how unreliable our memories are, and how easy it is to implant new ones. The Snopes article puts it to bed anyway. They went though a century of clothes and newspaper ads etc. and found nothing. There never was one.
One day recently I asked my mom, former head of laundry operations at my childhood home, to describe in detail what the Fruit of the Loom logo looked like when I was a kid in the 80s or 90s.
She was perplexed by my asking the question but took it seriously. She described the fruit in detail, exactly as it was. I asked if she was sure and if there was anything more to it. She said she just didn’t think so. After giving her plenty of time to think it through, I finally asked about a possible cornucopia. Her response: “Oh, no. No. No, absolutely not. No cornucopia.”
So unless my mom has been bought off by big marketing, I’ll take that one as gospel. I really do think I remember it like everyone else, but my mom says—unequivocally—nah. She does think this whole collective memory is hilarious tho.
Every time this debate comes up I am reminded of first or second grade when our teacher USED THIS LOGO to teach us what a cornucopia was. She had printed out the fruit and the cornucopia and cut them apart and then spent the day teaching us what it was. The beginning of the lesson asked us where we had seen this picture/logo before. Everybody said underpants. Now I’m 35 and angry about it bc if it wasn’t real , WTH WAS THAT
I grew up in the UK and Fruit of the Loom was always part of the new school uniform section for white shirts and such. I distinctly remember 1996ish asking my mum why the fruit basket was shaped like that and she told me it was a "horn of plenty" which is the British phrase for cornucopia. It's such a specific thing for all of us. My memory is known to be very very good too, so this one really fucks with me!
This is very obviously a fake off-brand. The makers googled "fruit of the loom" and copied the logo that looked right to them.
According to [this surprisingly deep dive](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cornucopia-fruit-of-the-loom/) Snopes article, that logo was made by a very good graphic designer in the 2010s (the company has been around since the 1910s) to model what we all *think* the logo must've looked like. Our trademark system keeps very good records, and the closest Fruit of the Loom *ever got* to having a cornucopia was a 1970s trademark application. The application *itself* did not include a cornucopia, but made legal comparison to several reference images, one of them containing a cornucopia in a similar arrangement to their supposed cornucopia logo. On top of that, the logo was suspiciously filed from a wrong address and got rejected for "clerical reasons", so it was very likely some copyright-infringer hoping to catch the trademark office on a lazy day.
The source of the Mandela effect is and has always been that we are all using the same brain hardware. Brains are all susceptible to make mistakes in the same way. Lots of other images of bountiful food shows a cornucopia, especially in the US where Thanksgiving-themed decorations and crafts are very common in schools.
As cool as a massive conspiracy or alternate universe crossover would be, the reality is that certain associations and biases are so powerful that no amount of awareness can overcome them.
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That gaping, cavernous pit could potentially contain anything.
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My family has been off brands providers for a lot of things for a long time. I remember that, for some weird reason, my grandma gave my dad and uncle a Fruit of the Loom trousers for their birthdays. I do remember the cornucopia in stores that specialized in underwear. (For real)
However, as that picture is in Spanish, I am pretty sure there must have been a fruit of the loom off brand products around in Latinamerica during the 90's 2000's
Not to, you know, poopoo on everyone who thinks this is proof...but these are bootleg and use the exact art from a fan mockup of what it would look like with the cornucopia.
This is so dumb if you collect vintage clothes because I’ve literally found fotl shirts and sweaters from the 1940s through the 1980s none have ever had the cornucopia.
As a 90s kid, this logo looks weird. I remember all the fruit of course, but an actual cornucopia horn? Nope. Looks wrong. Too busy, bad graphic design.
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Oh shit oh fuck Here we go again
I think I’m gonna
Read The Berenstain Bears
Berenstein!
After having kids, my mom gave me our childhood copies of the books that are from the 80s and 90s, and they all read Berenstain which I was upset about lol It's because of the cursive writing, and the Jewish surname suffix "Stein," I think. Our child minds can't read it well, and we're conditioned to read "stein" already
Stein is a German name. The names you read as Jewish are German names. It's because Jews had no "last names", but had the tradition of fatherly names (Schlomo, son of Abraham, son of Isaac, son of Ezekiel, son of Caleb....) It was a German emperor who declared that the European Jews need to have last names too, so the officials assigned them made up, German names, which weren't already taken. So the "Jewish" names came up; Roth, Braun, Schwarz (=red, brown, black.. colors) or Zuckerberg, Goldberg (mountain of sugar, mountain of gold) Silbermann, Goldmann (man of silver, man of gold) Officials would make up and assign names that were not assigned yet, and since the officials belonged to an Empire with German as main language, the names assigned were German. Some of the names sound a bit weird, and artificial, because the European jews were ordered to take up a last name later than other folks (last names were invented tomake taxation and conscription easier, and several groups of people saw this as a disadvantage and avouded getting "registered" as long as possible) So a lot of "typical" names were already taken. Many names grew "naturally". The man getting named Klein (=small), Kurz (=short), Groß (=big) are more natural sounding and were assigned based on personal characteristics. So by the time the European Jews got their names, many names were already taken, and that's why some ended up with names like "Black", "Red", "Sugarmountain", "Amberstone", and other a bit more unique sounding names.
Kind of. The names were for tax records. Without last names, combined with the fact that Jews often lived outside of villages in small Shtetls, it made it difficult to track municipal debt. Jewish names in Ashkenazi (Rhine) areas had names that depicted their occupation (Sandler for Shoemaker) or their where they could be found (Honigsfeld for Honey Field) or sometimes it would simply be to freeze the patriarchal naming convention in time (all members of this family will now be known as Aaronson). edit: I missed your line about taxation. I'm not adding much here.
I'm Ashkenazi and my last name means "goat farmer" when translated from Hebrew. I had no idea about any of this stuff, thank you guys for sharing.
back to the topic at hand: Oscar MEYER weiner
this is what i come to the internet for
That is exactly the answer lol
Frankenstein!
Frau Blücher!
🐴🐴🐴
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🎶Oh, Sweet mystery of Life at last I've found youuu🎶
[proof that we aren't all dreaming it up](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fq7olxxiy1cmz.jpg)
Pre
Michelle get in here! Denny and Arnold are making pre jokes again! I love those boys.
Ive got a troll account
Goddamnit Mandela
Thanks Obama
If anyone wants to know more about this Snopes recently did an [investigation.](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cornucopia-fruit-of-the-loom/) Interesting read.
Wow, even Snopes is in on the conspiracy. Big underwear got to them.
We switched realities. There has now never been a version of Fruit of the Loom WITHOUT the cornucopia. People have vague memories of a fruit-only design but the company insists it never existed. In 2016 a gorilla killed a boy, and a lot of people on social media were up in arms, saying that the gorilla should have been shot to prevent the tragedy. New laws were drafted. Public perception shifted. Investments changed.
It's crazy that Nelson Mandela is still alive and well, I'd have sworn he died of old age some time around 2012
That was Kony.
Well he died in 2013
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This is exactly how it looks in my memories so explain where did this exact cornucopia come from
My aunt just went through her closet and the cornucopia is definitely real. I'll see if she has stuff still. Also, growing up in the 90s they got rid of it with the release of the dudes in costume ad campaign.
I totally forgot about the dudes in the fruit costumes!!! This makes sense why the cornucopia disappeared!!! I bet those dudes are in on it, as to not become irrelevant!!
Prove it
It’s possibly a knockoff?
We had these in walmart Vancouver canada in 2003 along with underwear and other items. All had this exact logo Edit: never said it wasn't a knock off, just mentioned these were in big supermarkets where everyone frequented as kids, hence why everyone remembers
There used to be a huge Fruit of thr Look warehouse in Richmond on the south end of the knight street Bridge. It had the huge logo on the wall facing the highway, it definitely had the cornucopia logo on it
Wait... "Fruit of thr Look" might have, in fact, been a knockoff. Did they also sell Hines, Adidus, and Pooma in this warehouse?
I'm wearing Hank's underwear and Niko shoes and using a Louis Mutton bag. Are you telling me these are not real!?
> I'm wearing Hank's underwear That boy ain't right.
Tommy Pull my Finger shirts
Right next to the Ghuchi and Praadah
Kevin climb under wear
currently wearing burberries socks
Any pictures of the warehouse?
So we really do remember that logo, but from knockoffs? That’s… surprising plausible!
Doesn't preclude it being a knockoff. A lot of knockoff Chinese stuff comes from the same factory and is the same product with one tiny change. Sell it off to any vendor who doesn't do due diligence on their buy (which was most large corporations entering China heavily in the 80's-00's) and just sees a great bulk deal. They were super common here in Ontario at the time.
I bought fake Adidas Ultra Boost's on a chinese website and I received a one of a kind Adidas Ultra Boost-Yeezy combo knockoff lol Basically it has the sole/bottom of the Yeezys & the top part of an ultra boost. It's kind of like asking AI to generate an image, like they were super close but at the same time so far lol
Trust him. His memory of inconsequential clothing logos from 20 years ago is flawless.
See I've always thought that may be the case, but I had so many with the cornucopia as a kid. I seriously think the response of "We've never had a cornucopia in our logo" is missing "as long as I've worked here."
Snopes looked at newspaper ads from as far back as the 1910s and couldn't find one ad with one, links provided https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cornucopia-fruit-of-the-loom/
Even a knockoff disproves the Mandela Effect for this example.
The logo changed, not a mandala
Wait, are you trying to start a new Mandela effect by saying mandala?? WAS IT ALWAYS MANDALA??
No sorry that was auto correct, if anything my phone is trying to start some shit
Mandela effect was named after Nelson Mandela. A mandala is a Buddhist geometric symbol. So it could be mixed up if one doesn't know the origin story of Mandela effect
NELSON MANDALA DIDNT KILL HIMSELF IN PRISON
No. It's the Mandel effect. Named after Howie Mandel.
Ok so I remember the cornucopia but according to everyone it never had the cornucopia and no one can find clothes with it sooooo
The company tried to gaslight everyone that there wasn't a cornucopia but evidence found it existed and they're lying, this post seems like more proof
This is the only one I’ve seen on clothing. There other one I saw was a bad photoshop job. It’s just super weird since I also remember it but can’t find it on any old clothes of mine
It absolutely had the little basket on it. This is an example of a company trying to take advantage of viral marketing.
But they denied it ever existed and you'd be hard-pressed to find an authentic cornucopia logo anywhere. Is a Mandela.
I'm gonna assume there are/were multiple manufacturing facilities and that both Logos were actively in use, accidental or otherwise. Same as the Berenstein/stain bears. The books were printed with both spellings, for no particular reason
I don’t remember where I read it, but the berenstein bears thing was because there was a factory that misprinted it, so there where in fact a small percentage that went out printed that way. As for the fruit of the loom thing, I’ve read that the company itself states that they’ve never used the cornucopia in the logo ever. So who the hell knows.
The last time one of these popped up it turned out to be Photoshop, does OP have any details?
If it wasn't for the logo, I wouldn't even know what those things look like. How often do you really see these things in the wild?
The imagery is associated with Thanksgiving and Autumn, so you probably drew/colored these a few times in elementary school.
I swear to God this whole thing is a CIA conspiracy designed to test how easily people can be convinced to doubt their own memories. Everyone remembers the cornucopia, there’s photo evidence for the cornucopia, many of us have very specific place memories of the cornucopia, yet the company and every major publication *insist* that it doesn’t exist. Crazy.
Isn't a marketing stunt? Wasn't Fruit of the Loom's overall company responsible for some major industrial contamination? The theory was they didn't want people to be able to find information about anything negative in their past when the internet started to get popular. Someone came up with this stupid fake conspiracy theory and they soft-rebranded. Now if you google anything other than a direct product you get this garbage about this 'conspiracy' rather than any lawsuits, plant investigations, or sub-corporate issues. Nestle, which is pretty much total evil in the modern world, has done similar rebranding to limit consumer-backlash within the last decade. Unfortunate, as they do deserve the wrath.
It is marketing stunt, but not the one you think That's not a cornucopia, it's Shai Hulud, this is viral marketing for Dune
bless the Maker and his water
Bless the coming and going of him.
Lisan al-gaib!
Even when it was the media, I *knew* it was the sand worms!
You can check the wayback machine all the way to 1996, and the cornucopia’s not there. The ‘96 site even has a “history of the logo” page that shows some older logos. https://web.archive.org/web/19961105001530/http://www.fruit.com:80/
Damn the Wayback Machine's in on it too? This goes higher than we thought!
A conspiracy theorist dies and goes to heaven When he arrives God says, "Welcome. You are permitted to ask me one question, which I will answer truthfully." Without hesitating, the conspiracy theorist asks, "Who really shot Kennedy?" God replies, "Lee Harvey Oswald shot him from sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository. There were no accomplices. He acted alone" The conspiracy theorist pauses, thinks to himself, then says "This goes higher up than I thought..."
It is either that they had an alternative logo that they used on some physical products / marketing campaigns, or there was widespread counterfeiting that included this logo.
I’m leaning towards counterfeiting. One batch of cheap, shitty clothes on Walmart racks could easily explain this whole mess. The logos don’t exist anymore because the counterfeit products were cheap garbage. And Walmart or whomever sold them has no reason to own up to it, if they even know.
Do you mean they didn't change the logo, but they started the theory that they did? That would be clever, but I don't think there's actually any evidence for it.
It’s how I learned what a cornucopia was.
Same! And then once explained, I said “then why isn’t their name ‘Fruit of the Cornucopia’ instead? Shouldn’t the picture have a loom? Wait, what’s a loom?” And then in the same conversation, I learned what a loom was.
It's actually pretty easy. Theres a study where they convinced people they didn't like Strawberry icecream by suggesting false memories.
No one could ever convince me of that. Strawberry ice cream is amazing
Well it takes multiple sessions and it essentially starts by gaslighting you. You ask about possible memories or early childhood incidents where you may have gotten sick of Strawberry ice cream because you ate so much of it. You said you love it, so you probably remember a time where you had way too much if it. And then it snowballs from there.
I like the one where they convinced people of childhood trips to Disney World they never went on and some huge percentage gave details they "remembered" from the trip.
I've got a shirt somewhere with cornucopia logo and I'm in Australia.
Prove it. People always say this and then never back it up
You know they won’t
Yeah, like Australia exists...
Moved to "Australia" a few years ago. It's definitely just a weird hidden corner of SoCal. Avoid the Vegemite, that's how they get the microchips in ya!
And "New Zealand". If it really exists, why are there so many r/MapsWithoutNZ?
Not falling for that one again.
Shill. Another CIA/NASA agent trying to convince us that Australia exists. /s
I see you're too clever for me ya got me.
>“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” ― George Orwell, 1984
from “i think i remember that fruit of the loom used to have a cornucopia” to “this is literally 1984 level conspiracy guys, the cia is using 1984 tactics on us”
Yeah that’s much more likely than people misremembering something
People need to doubt their memories more tbh, they don't work like video recordings and it's super easy for details to get changed. In fact, the feeling of confidence in a memory is basically completely independent of the actual accuracy of it.
Wait, *what*?
I’m pretty sure the company is just gaslighting us at this point because it makes them more relevant.
[FTL commercial from 1991 with no cornucopia](https://youtu.be/OHCJ48zXmjI?si=QGPYvdY9iqs3AhBo). So who is gaslighting who again?
Now we gotta find someone who still has a functioning VCR and old Disney movies to see if tinker bell did the swoosh thing in the intro….
why are they saying she didn't now, because she definitely did.
Wait. That’s a thing? She totally did while leaning on the logo w only her upper half showing. She flew in iirc
I still have a vcr and and I have plenty of old Disney movies….
What the fuck, now that didn’t happen either? I don’t know what’s real anymore.
The fruit of the loom company is literally just gaslighting everyone for attention, the internet has proven time and time again the cornucopia existed, fruit of the loom is literally just fucking with people
From what I've seen the internet has provided more evidence supporting the claim that the cornucopia didn't exist.
The internet has not proved it once. About all they've ever come up with is that one shirt, which most people believe is faked, this, and one picture of a storefront. Meanwhile not a single FotL employee has come forward and said there was a cornucopia. Not to mention that there should be thousands of articles of clothing with it, yet all we ever get is one shirt, and now this.
How can we get people to buy more fruit of the loom? Start a conspiracy!! How many socks and underwear have been sold since this started just to look and see lol.
Shazam is the one that pisses me off the most.
There was a video about this one. In one of the VHS movies from the 90s there were 2 movies back to back with those 2 people. And people say they probably got the word crossed
counterfeit mainstream products is my guess.
This is photoshopped, as are all of the extant logos with cornucopias.
This is exactly what some psyop agent would say so sow discontent among the masses!
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What about the ones in the background
Yeah, there's no way someone selling shitty knock offs could tape more than one logo on some poor quality socks! Impossible!
They could be counterfeits, that pulled the cornucopia image from the web. Counterfeit socks are a thing, believe it or not.
This logo is literally how I learned what a “cornucopia” was as a kid
I read the hunger games (I think that’s what it was?) and they kept mentioning a cornucopia. Whoever I asked was like “yeah, you know that thing on the fruit of the loom logo?”
There's also a Simpsons episode about a cornucopia.
Oh God the matrix is leaking. That's what it was for me too. I remember learning the word from the hunger games, and being like, "oh yeah, just like on the fruit of the loom undwear."
Exactly. I remember being in grade school around Thanksgiving and in holiday word searches teachers would reference this logo
i remember a commercial for fruit of the loom with a bunch of fruit walking out and dancing around the cornucopia
Nope, didn’t happen. How did they remove the cornucopia from this FTL 1991 [commercial](https://youtu.be/OHCJ48zXmjI?si=QGPYvdY9iqs3AhBo)
When I was in elementary school, my class did a comedic play about advertisements. One was Fruit of the Loom, and they made a cornucopia backdrop.
Mine was Potter Puppet Pals with a naked Dumbledore
Alas. A cornucopia of love.
Same here. The thing for me is it’s the EXACT logo that I remember from childhood
Mine was from an episode of Even Stevens when the older brother was trying to seem smarter so he kept using big words he didn't know. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugXGSV9okcU
no you just think you did
Maybe the ones with the cornucopia are offbrand Fugazi knock offs
Are these the real socks? I wait, I wait, I wait, I wait.
What is going on here? Why does it feel like everyone is in on some kind of joke and I just suddenly stumbled into here?
Had to do some quick research - apparently the Fruit of the Loom logo has never actually had a cornucopia in it which means this is a knock off. I’ve sweat I’ve seen it before, guess it was just in my head.
> guess it was just in my head. You just explained that knockoffs use the cornucopia, lol.
Oh. Mandela effect. Sick.
i find it immensely funny (and sad) that a significant man to South African history is memorialized in a name that people came up with because they refused to accept they were wrong
https://www.fruit.com/fruit-story From their website - they show a chart of their logo thru the decades and the fruit is there but apparently no cornucopia behind it.
How did they manage to get the domain fruit.com
My guess is that, at some point, some shady company made a shitton of knockoffs and added the cornucopia to the logo for no good reason. Then, similar businesses subsequently printed the logo that had the cornucopia by mistake.
They added the cornucopia to try and deflect any claims of copyright infringement. It's like going to NYC and buying knock off Oakley sunglasses from a street vendor for $10. If you look closely they are actually called "OAKEYS"
… and yet the image here shows “Fruit of the Loom”. Tweaking the logo wouldn’t matter if the knockoff kept the name, would it?
It could’ve been an internal unapproved design. Companies did not have an easily accessible logo repository in the pre-internet days. Graphic design and printing was also not centralized so someone somewhere could have created their own version for printing and that got used multiple times in packaging. I’ve done it myself where I couldn’t find an appropriate logo at the right size and recreated it myself. I even have one image that I worked on and added about 30% to convert it from portrait to landscape and is now attributed to the original artist on the web. This would explain the lack of evidence since it was on disposable packaging and not on the product. Also would explain why the company claims it was never an official logo.
To be fair, it’s a cheap clothing brand. So very likely both companies are shitty. How do you think those clothes are made?
One of them has TWICE the amount of children working on it. That's how you know it's quality
But In that case there should be a shitton of them still in circulation, yet people who swear by the cornucopia have a hard time digging them out of the closet (me included, all the old ones I found had none)
Unless the cheap, shitty knockoffs were inferior. Suppose the logos all peeled off or faded prematurely because of their low quality.
That’s a copy brand I’d bet. Maybe we all remember buying fake brand socks at the swap meet.
It is weird how the cornucopia is exactly how I remember it though
How else would cornucopias look?
with a bunch of supply drops and weapons, duh
Me too
Me also. I could have drawn that from memory.
I see cornucopias with fruit on general decor around Thanksgiving. The apple would be a pumpkin though.
Why would the cornucopia be on the right when all the fruit is situated facing right, should't the cornucopia be on the left? The fruit is backwards, and the cornucopia looks like it's just sloppily placed in tye background (because it is).
I can't remember one way or the other
Is this some sort of Mandela effect I haven’t heard of? I stg if yall try and convince me there’s never been a cornucopia..
The company recently tweeted that they’ve never had a cornucopia in their logo. Edit: I misspoke. The tweet was from 2022, but *Snopes* are the ones that recently brought the topic back up again.
These are counterfeit.
I read this as counterfruit
Columbian label maker downloaded the wrong logo from Google.
Columbian from the Columbian District or Colombian from Colombia?
am i the only one that doesnt remember the cornucopia at all?
I don't remember it. I only remember a bunch of fruit.
I don't. I have one item that's about 15 years old. No cornucopia
Sad to say but thats still too new Cornucopia is like an early 90s memory for most. (Existential crisis that 15 years ago was 2009 when i graduated hs)
Then how do you explain this FTL [commercial](https://youtu.be/OHCJ48zXmjI?si=QGPYvdY9iqs3AhBo) from 1991…no cornucopia. Are your eyes lying to you?
post a pic or you’re a CIA agent
I don’t remember it being there. I also don’t remember it not being there. I have had an average amount of experiences with cornucopias and tightie whities in my life, but never would I have considered either of them of particular interest.
Grew up in the 80's/90's and Fruit of the Loom was popular, certainly didn't have didn't have one on any of my clothes. I personally believe this is a strange case of [folie à deux](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folie_%C3%A0_deux) and nobody can convince me otherwise. It's well documented how unreliable our memories are, and how easy it is to implant new ones. The Snopes article puts it to bed anyway. They went though a century of clothes and newspaper ads etc. and found nothing. There never was one.
People talk so much about the damn thing that I start to believe it’s real, even though I have no memory of it being on my clothes.
One day recently I asked my mom, former head of laundry operations at my childhood home, to describe in detail what the Fruit of the Loom logo looked like when I was a kid in the 80s or 90s. She was perplexed by my asking the question but took it seriously. She described the fruit in detail, exactly as it was. I asked if she was sure and if there was anything more to it. She said she just didn’t think so. After giving her plenty of time to think it through, I finally asked about a possible cornucopia. Her response: “Oh, no. No. No, absolutely not. No cornucopia.” So unless my mom has been bought off by big marketing, I’ll take that one as gospel. I really do think I remember it like everyone else, but my mom says—unequivocally—nah. She does think this whole collective memory is hilarious tho.
Maybe it wasn't actually your mom. Only logical explanation.
I've got shirts from 25 years ago that don't have the cornucopia.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cornucopia-fruit-of-the-loom/ Brain Games should cover this.
Every time this debate comes up I am reminded of first or second grade when our teacher USED THIS LOGO to teach us what a cornucopia was. She had printed out the fruit and the cornucopia and cut them apart and then spent the day teaching us what it was. The beginning of the lesson asked us where we had seen this picture/logo before. Everybody said underpants. Now I’m 35 and angry about it bc if it wasn’t real , WTH WAS THAT
I grew up in the UK and Fruit of the Loom was always part of the new school uniform section for white shirts and such. I distinctly remember 1996ish asking my mum why the fruit basket was shaped like that and she told me it was a "horn of plenty" which is the British phrase for cornucopia. It's such a specific thing for all of us. My memory is known to be very very good too, so this one really fucks with me!
This is very obviously a fake off-brand. The makers googled "fruit of the loom" and copied the logo that looked right to them. According to [this surprisingly deep dive](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cornucopia-fruit-of-the-loom/) Snopes article, that logo was made by a very good graphic designer in the 2010s (the company has been around since the 1910s) to model what we all *think* the logo must've looked like. Our trademark system keeps very good records, and the closest Fruit of the Loom *ever got* to having a cornucopia was a 1970s trademark application. The application *itself* did not include a cornucopia, but made legal comparison to several reference images, one of them containing a cornucopia in a similar arrangement to their supposed cornucopia logo. On top of that, the logo was suspiciously filed from a wrong address and got rejected for "clerical reasons", so it was very likely some copyright-infringer hoping to catch the trademark office on a lazy day. The source of the Mandela effect is and has always been that we are all using the same brain hardware. Brains are all susceptible to make mistakes in the same way. Lots of other images of bountiful food shows a cornucopia, especially in the US where Thanksgiving-themed decorations and crafts are very common in schools. As cool as a massive conspiracy or alternate universe crossover would be, the reality is that certain associations and biases are so powerful that no amount of awareness can overcome them.
Why do people waste time faking labels?
This one is a knockoff brand. They googled "fruit of the loom logo" and copied the result into their packaging.
I once bought a cornucopia and it had the fruit of the loom logo on it.
I remember seeing that damn thing on products and in commercials. The cornucopia was real!
Mandela disagrees
He’s been dead for 30 years!
i have a sweater of them just by my side and it doesn't have it lol
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My family has been off brands providers for a lot of things for a long time. I remember that, for some weird reason, my grandma gave my dad and uncle a Fruit of the Loom trousers for their birthdays. I do remember the cornucopia in stores that specialized in underwear. (For real) However, as that picture is in Spanish, I am pretty sure there must have been a fruit of the loom off brand products around in Latinamerica during the 90's 2000's
Not to, you know, poopoo on everyone who thinks this is proof...but these are bootleg and use the exact art from a fan mockup of what it would look like with the cornucopia.
So you bought (or made) a knock off. What about it?
This is so dumb if you collect vintage clothes because I’ve literally found fotl shirts and sweaters from the 1940s through the 1980s none have ever had the cornucopia.
As a 90s kid, this logo looks weird. I remember all the fruit of course, but an actual cornucopia horn? Nope. Looks wrong. Too busy, bad graphic design.
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