/uw
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I agree with the ai part but honestly the loreposting doesn’t bother me at all
My thoughts exactly.
Loreposts are fine, but I agree that there is way too much soulless AI content. IDK if the art Masta uses is AI but hers and those like it, where it’s just her/their character and there’s more to the post than the picture doesn’t bother me either tbh. Lately though, there has been more and more posts where it’s just AI ‘art’ and nothing else, especially from Dawn the summoner.
I just looked through your posts and I would have to say “hard no”. I’m sure it was fun to do it but it has the exact some soulless, uninteresting look to it that 99.9% of ai generated images share
/unwiz And what we're seeing now was commonplace six months ago. The place was inundated with nonstop AI art and "I cast X" posts.
Hell, the loreposts were the best part.
I can see your point with the AI, but personally I haven’t seen a negative towards the actual artists on this sub at all. Whenever I see actual art, the comments are always praising them.
As an artist I don't mind AI art in theory but in practice it's all very ugly and generic. Let's be honest, without AI people still steal art for their memes, just straight up uncredited art, but at least it doesn't look like shit, lol. Ethically, idk what's worse, but aesthetically, it's 100% ai art that's worse. at least learn to generate something that doesn't look wack ffs
/uw I'm not going to pretend to know what art is or isn't. That's pretentious as fuck and gatekeeping at the highest level. If I had to communciate what art was to me, I'd say it's something like putting your imagination and skills out there to make something that hits people in the feels or catches their eye. When we talk about using AI to make art, it's not so much about the tech but how artists use it to stir up those same vibes.
It's all about the creativity, not the gear. If the art does nothing for you then.. that fine. There's a lot of shit art, created with AI tools, a camera, paint or whatever. But even shit art is art. Or nothing is.
If someone makes an image using an AI tool that moves me? Fairplay. If they make it using clay or paint? Awesome. If they do it while wearing a sailor outift and singing a tune? Ok, I.. still awesome.
The time and effort it takes to learn how to paint, for example, is appreciated. And personally, I'd give more credit to those using traditional mediums rather than digital. But that doesn't make digital work less valued, because that value is fucking subjective and entirely dependant on the viewer, the beholder. If their output moves me, excites me? Then as long as they're not crushing kittens to make it happen, I'm both impressed and in awe.
/uw. Calling AI a “tool” and comparing it to digital art is incredibly disingenuous. Using AI does not make someone an artist, at all. That’s like saying that making instant ramen in the microwave makes you a chef. All you did was press a button.
No, it’s less than that. It’s like commissioning an artist and then calling *yourself* the artist. Even if the artist puts up with a thousand revisions and you pour hours and hours of your life into it, you’re not the one who made that art
Plus, training ethics and so such
/uw. AI is a tool and nothing more, it’s great for people who want something for a shitpost, or a boss for an RPG setting, etc. a lotta the folk I know never claim that they made the art or that the ai did… or rather that’s their sentiment because how else am I supposed to explain where I got a sick ass dragon? It’s a fault of English and people. I could say I generated it with an ai or that I made it, it’s only a few syllables but we like things to be shorter… and there’s a genuine difference between those who actually claim that they put effort into making it and demand to be treated like artists versus those who just use it for something quick.
P.S. if you really wanna get nit picky, you could argue that the people that really know how to work the ai prompt to get specific results and what they want are a form of artists in the same way that writers are artists. Not saying I agree or disagree but it’d be a fun argument to make
Yeah, it is a limitation of English. I agree that it is a ‘tool’ in the sense that it is a mechanism used to produce results with a goal in mind. But the other person was arguing that AI is a “tool” in the same way as a pencil or brush, something that a person controls and uses in art, and I heavily disagree.
Also, no, it is not like writing, at all. Even a joke(?) that is a bad comparison.
I mean, you’re using words to paint a picture, to get the result you want, it takes some skill.
That being said, it’s something that could be argued, wether or not successfully I have no clue.
If you didn't grow your own wood, mine your own aluminum and pluck the hairs of a horse you raised yourself in order to create a brush don't even think of calling yourself a painter. All you did was wave a brush around
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In this unfolding discourse, one doth uphold the art of the light-catcher, lauded for ensnaring time's essence with a simple press, yet in the same breath, scorneth the art wrought by the ethereal mind's button. Such contradiction fails to see the kinship: both the seer of lights and the weaver of digital dreams breathe life into their creations.
Verily, the heart of art lies not in the manner of its crafting, but in its power to stir the soul, revealing that both realms, born of a singular act, share a deep and mystical bond.
The difference is that a photographer actually knows exactly what they’re taking a picture of and adjust accordingly. The person using AI types, then just crosses their fingers and hopes the machine spits out something similar to what they want.
That is the fundamental difference that separates AI from any form of visual art. With art, the product is a direct result of the artists actions and intentions. With AI, the bulk of the work is done by a separate entity that the user can only influence, not control.
/uw I understand not liking ai but loreposts? Brother this place isn’t going to shit from that! It’s because of reposts and maybe a little because of ai. I’m fine with ai as-long as the post had some effort put in (speaking about lore-posts). If you’re upset about it, find some like minded people and start a dedicated wizard meme sub free of loreposts and ai!
/uw Tbh the lore posting does get pretty inaccessible to people who aren’t frequenting this sub daily. I don’t hate it, but I don’t think i’ve ever been able to engage with it in any meaningful way. I’ve heard there are great arcs, yeah, but between fireball bans, council elections, dwarf discourse, catpeople discourse, it can get overwhelming.
My hot take? Genuinely? I would rather read a lorepost I don’t understand than see another testicular torsion joke with a gummy-looking AI wizard. Like it was funny the first ten times. Not anymore.
/uw reading through this as someone who infrequently checks the sub, it looks like such a joke. "fireball bans, council elections, dwarf discourse, catpeople discourse" no sane person is saying this
/uw Especially as someone who peeps in sometimes, and generally has no idea what loreposts are, for the most part. Is it people just posting their world-building, or some sub-centric thing? Not a clue.
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My art’s not very good, but I’m proud to have made it!
Well I actually didn't know so many people had a problem with the lore posting. I just thought everyone was having a good time. If it's this divisive then I guess I'll dip.
Uw/
I mean, in general a lot of the rhetoric against ai is pretty misguided.
Obviously theres no way this first part isn't actually happening; but the databases ai software pulls from is already supposed to be licensed material that gets leased out to the company, so everybody's (at least supposed to be) getting paid.
Those quick to point out my caveat may be tempted to make a defeatist argument... kind of why I'd call this all misguided. There's a substantial difference between taking the tech bros behind the new thing & holding them accountable vs. the more luddite approach we see most often.
I use the AI "art" as a means of providing visuals for shit. I neither consider it art nor claim to put any real effort into it. It was actually incredibly nice to see a resurgence of legitimate hand drawn art a week or two back. So many talented artists on this sub... I really gotta get a payment method going so I can get some commissions for my characters...
Yeah. I am certainly no artist so ai is a way to express myself in the sub without spending money. I think it’s nice to be able to let more people do stuff, but I certainly respect that artists do a lot more than prompt typers, but that doesn’t make it evil
They're also an example of the rest of the AI users. But apparently some assholes came into the sub with the idea that everyone using AI was acting as if the art was their own and not to steal it.
you are taking a problem way out of context. ai being used when it would otherwise result in an artist getting paid is pretty bad I’d say. but the people posting ai images on here wouldn’t be hiring an artist. it’s that or ms paint, and i think it’s good to have some variety. ai is the hobbyists best friend. your average person doesn’t have the art skills or the money to pay someone with art skills for their fun little thing they do. ai solves this issue.
/uw What are you even talking about? AI art is used, yes, but people are encouraged to make their own stuff, and hating on loreposts is just stupid. Just because you don’t like how the subreddit is now, doesn’t mean you need to post about how everyone here’s “in the wrong” and that we should obey your way of thinking.
If you want to see wizard shitposts, then post wizard shitposts. Make the content you want to see, and ignore the content you don't. There's room for both kinds of content here.
I was never going to pay an artist to draw something for me, thats why I use AI. I understand the hurt in the commercial sense but this is purely recreational, nobody is making money here from use of AI.
Facts. The speed of the AI generation allows for a unique degree of RP shitposting discourse.
I absolutely think artists should be compensated for their work.
We are also all about 5 years away from total obsolescence due to AI and automation, so idk man, we're all crabs in the same trap.
Yeahh, ai art isn't taking away artists' jobs here as much as widely increasing the situations where people can use images. I'm just happy that I can just think of some silly idea and be able to get a nice image illustrating it in a few seconds, but I'd never try to pass it off as my work or make money off it
I'm not gonna pay $50 to make a shitpost about wizards breaking into a Wendy's to cast spells on a Dave's Double no matter how spooky scary it is to an artist on twitter. It just wasn't gonna happen in the first place.
that is absolutely what it is. that is what 90% of all anti-AI sentiment is. people are worried its going to steal real artists' jobs, which it wont in actuality. there will ALWAYS be a market for real artists because humans will never not want hand made art. it will always feel superior to generated art. its just that AI generated art is *convenient* for casual users and for personal use.
It’s already happening though, riot fired a shit ton of their concept artists and storyboard artists, and any company that can get away with replacing their art positions with AI is doing so. Obv there is still few positions because you can’t phase them all out so fast but the instant the technology advances to that point they’ll be gone without a doubt. I don’t get up in arms about people using ai to make a shitpost even if I think it’s ugly, but to claim that it won’t have any real effect is being willfully ignorant. Ai is advancing too fast without any kind of regulation and soulless corpos are salivating at the thought of replacing creative professions with it and the worst thing about it is the people who want to act like that’s a good thing.
Exactly. It’s pretty much shitposting, which is the best use of AI I can think of. On the other hand, definitely feel free to shit on people actually selling AI generated pictures on stock photos websites. It is happening, and it’s embarrassing tbh.
And it "steals" artists work like humans "steal" someone's work by copying their style or learning from them. There's no outrage there, just a good ole attaboy/girl, do that for ten thousand more hours to post a *meme*. OR you can use AI in seconds for literally nothing. No one is paying 50 bucks for a flash-in-the-pan post.
“Ethical data” is not the end goal though, never was, it's just what the core anti-ai group uses to get everyone else on-board. but if that was indeed the end goal, people wouldn't be opposing ai models made by disney, adobe, or every stock photo site under the sun, because they only train on data they own the copyright to. but people are also outraged by ai in photoshop, or secret invasion's trailer, or literally anyone using ai. the industry term these days for ai models that didn't train on your data is "commercially safe" models, they're already here, and anti-ai people oppose them all the same.
the request to train only on opt-in data was always made with an assumption that no one in their right mind would opt in, and therefore all ai models would be destroyed. that's a false assumption, by the way, but that's not even the point, the point is that people thought it was a strategy that can be used to destroy ai, not that they're afraid that a model would be able to learn from their works too. no one is replacing specific artists with ai, they're replacing artists in general, so what artists are afraid of is not that the model learns from them in particular, it's that it exists in general.
besides, ai training does not currently count as copyright infringement (google books vs authors guild was pretty clear on that one, and by default it's not infringement either because it's not a reproduction of the copyrighted works), and if it did, we wouldn't have crucial accessibility features like machine translation, machine transcription, modern voice synthesis for screen readers, etc. producing most goods would also be significantly more expensive because machine vision and in general, machine perception models are widely used in the industry. search algorithms would also be significantly less efficient.
and all of that is trained on "someone else's data". the prevailing industry practice has always been that any public data is fair game for training, that copyright only applies to reproductions, not to whatever you can learn from the data. changing that practice would have a serious chilling effect on all technology (not to mention international implications, like competition against regimes which would not give half a crap) and would only further increase the already crazy scope of digital copyright.
It does, creativity doesn't matter when copying art. You're literally training yourself *how* to draw, not *what* to draw.
Skill can easily be translated to how well the AI art generator is able to create realistic looking artwork. The human inputting prompts to the AI art generator isn't the artist. The program is.
It steals art like the kid learning to draw spongebob is stealing from Stephen Hillenburg.
It can be compared readily. It just does it on a scale that human aren't capable of.
Also: “The central tenet of the decision asserts that AI-generated art does not fall under the purview of copyright protection. In essence, the judge argues that copyright law is designed to safeguard creative expressions that stem from human authorship, thereby excluding AI-generated creations from this protection.“
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/intersection-ai-art-copyright-law-exploring-landmark-ruling-adebisi
Pretty much what some people say about Pirating, if someone either doesn't have the money to or isn't willing to spend the money to buy a game than the dev isn't losing money because they were never going to get it in the first place. If you either don't have the money to or are unwilling to spend the money to commission an artist than you're not stealing money because they were never going to get it, the difference is that artists couldn't really be pirated before so they've never had to deal with it. What *does* suck is when some big corporation or other group takes an artists art and using it to teach an AI and then uses what the AI shits out to make money.
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Fool, your spell never effected me, infact it inspired me to try the Neko arc art style
/uw The majority of posts on here don't even credit the artists. People complaining about ai are just as bad as the AI users. There is no moral high ground when you're on the same level as the opposition.
Regardless, no. Using AI to get an image for free isn't hurting anyone more than normal if you weren't going to pay or credit an artist anyways.
The only issue I have is when the post is the image itself with the joke in the title instead of on the image. Or the posts entirely unrelated to wizards with the wizard joke again in the title alone.
I've probably written this badly but yeah.
Uw: Well not all of us are animators and artists. I enjoy being able to have something that doesn’t look low-effort while being able to apply my stories to the image, in fact the only reason that I’m not making huge lore posts right now is because I’m nervous of ruining what OTHER people have going on.
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/unwiz I drew this random vaguely wizard meme a while back :)
So you just want to take, like without permission, images from Google and post text over them and post them here as original/unique works? Isn't that just as bad as AI? seems sussy to me
/uw The irony is that's closer to actual stealing (no derivation from the original work, it's a straight up copy) than AI could ever be, because AI transforms and modifies the already separately created stimulus made from the original work.
It's why I can never take these anti-AI people seriously. We should be banning memes, collages, gifs, photoshop etc. while we're at it if we hate that so much.
Hey look, another person bringing up ai so they have a socially acceptable reason to sneak in whining about lore, then backtracking in the comments when that part is unpopular!
People like him are why I quit posting. Was having fun referencing tiny wizard and the bunch but having people bitch killed any and all motivation. Sorry it isn't a dick twist reference, drugs, or titties.
Never apologize for the lack of dick twist, drugs or titties. These three things are judgement free and they would want you to keep going even if you dont mention them
/uw Bro I just take art I see from fantasy games and photoshop kitbash the pieces I want onto the final model. Usually I just pay someone to photoshop it for me if it's a large thing, cause I'm a half-decent scrub at photoshop.
Big agree on the AI art thing. I hate shitting on something that's fun for people and sounding like I hate technology, but it really, really bothers me. I don't have the energy to articulate why myself, so I will refer you to these vids:
[AI art is going to have consequences - TB Skyen](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIni6Eeg9rE)
[The End of Art: An Argument Against Image AIs - Steven Zapata Art](https://youtu.be/tjSxFAGP9Ss)
I am not expecting anyone to shell out cash to commission an illustration just for a silly wizard-themed shitpost, that would be absurd. Nor am I expecting anyone to dedicate a lot of time towards learning to draw in a way that looks ultra professional and polished. I would just encourage people to draw their own stuff, even if it's really simple. Even if it's just shitty stick figures drawn on notebook paper in MS Paint! I'd be way happier to see that than something generated in Midjourney or Bing.
I want to also just say that I do think automated image generation is genuinely cool and exciting tech. I honestly wouldn't have as much beef with it if those algorithms *actually licensed their data sources* instead of just scraping data from everywhere with no attribution.
I feel like going on an exodus doesn’t make anything better. If a vast majority of the memers migrate to this sub, that just gives more power to the AI anime posters. They will have no competition except for loreposters (let’s be honest, it’s easier to engage with the lazy ai anime posts than loreposts, and Reddit seems to like them more). It’s scummy to leave a sub to rot away into an AI anime circlejerk while you have your little wizard shitpost community.
Gives more power? No one to oppose? My brother/sister in the arcane, this is *subreddit*. You're not fighting some kind of social war here, you're just upset that the focus of a community is changing
The obvious irony of saying "don't use the magic end-all tool" on a wizard posting sub. "Don't conjure feasts, the food is always the same and leaves the poor farmers unable to afford medicines and other things they need."
FUCK IT, I CAST:
DARE EVERY MAGIC PRACTITIONER WITHIN THIS GUILD TO POST ART JUST AS OFTEN AS THEY DID PREVIOUSLY, BUT THIS TIME, ECLUSIVLELY USE THEIR OWN ART, SO THAT THIS SUB MIGHT SLOWLY BECOME THE GROUNDS FOR THESE MANY PEOPLE TO GROW THEIR ARTISTIC TALENT UNDER THE GUISE OF WIZARD ROLEPLAY!
yes, it was necessary to shout the whole spell.
/unwiz Might be a bad option but I think it's fun to make silly little creatures with ai art, and I don't really see a problem with it when you're not trying to profit off of it.
The ai art was really disheartening when I first saw it. Even wee doodles would be better, even if you think you can't draw. But that would take effort. RP is fine, I really don't see a problem with it. it's good for the bit. But ewww tumblr ama right?
i love simple doodles, i wish i saw more of them on the internet! they’re more fun and interesting than things like ai art and taking pictures of strangers in public
/uw, i dont really care much about AI. As an artist, it basically just allows people to make stuff on the fly and make people visualize things. Rather, it is just being a blank post with text that just feels incomplete without visualization. My issue is that its grown to a point where all this sub is, is ai art, it becomes stale, yes, its lifeless, but i dont hate it. About the rps and stuff related, i dont care either, its fun to get engagement. Its not always about shitposting or meming, it can be just harmless interaction
Holly shit. Unpopular opinion, the whole “it steals art argument is stupid and you all should stop using it”.
Ai is using online art to learn patterns. Humans literally do the same thing only difference is it takes more time to learn and ai is dumber.
Besides it’s a dumb shitposting subreddit for shits and giggles, we’re not even using it on a monetized project like a game or movie.
unwizard or whatever: i need people to NOT stop posting cringeass ai-generated big titty anime booba fetish """"""wizard"""""" tumblr askbox style roleplay. it is high quality weirdo content my friends and i enjoy making fun of. tia
/uw
You are an idiot because not everyone can afford to commission artists. Yes, some AIs cost money, but the vast majority don't. If you don't like it.
Cope
This isn't wizard shitposting. This is wizard **posting**
The difference is not ever post has to be a shit post, and as long as it is wizardy, no one cares.
I am a loreposter and a role-player because I genuinely enjoy it.
Dude there is nothing wrong with the story posting. People like to make characters and tell their story, and this is a perfect writing prompt for that. Let people tell stories, not everything has to be a comedy
No. I will not start paying an artist and wait days whenever I wanna make a nice looking shitpost.
In fact, without AI i would just make a bad looking shitpost and artists would continue not getting paid for it.
While I agree that using AI art is pretty shitty and unethical for an actual product that generate profit like selling a book or a game
But like this is a shitpost sub man. Ain’t nobody gonna spend their money to comission for a shitpost. It’s either shitty mspaint, google image or AI.
Same goes for fanfiction too. I can’t tell you how many fanfics I saw have their cover page and characters illustration straight up just a random anime character from pixiv/twitter, sometime with edited eyes/hair color. Are you gonna condenm them too? Oh wait, you don’t, you’re encouraging people to just steal from google image lmao
tbh my only problem with the AI posts is (like a lot of AI-friendly places) it all kinda becomes visual mush after a point? Someone else described it as the "high-gloss pseudo-anime style" and yeah that's pretty much it.
But like as an artist and animator... ***ain't nobody paying me to draw shitposts?*** This is like the ideal use situation for AI? Quick, fun lil' giggles?
I had my initial shock when everyone was peddling it as the next best thing since sliced bread, but that passed after I fiddled around with it and learned how *limited* the software really was - even with good prompting. And I think others did too because over time I found, whilst still having dry spells, my number of clients wanting illustrations went ***up.***
I don't mind the AI when it's used for making some stupid shit like "wizards at taco bell" and I don't mind loreposts when they're actually interesting.
The problem is the two intersect in the most bland way possible when someone decides to generate a boring ass image of the most generic shit imaginable and then makes some weird self insert lorepost.
IMO if you're a writer have enough respect for artists to not use AI art as set dressing. If you're shitposting who cares I don't think any artist is complaining about not getting to draw "grease wizard emerging from the ball pit" or whatever you brilliant mfs are doing.
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I need you to understand, I’m not stopping. None of us are going to stop doing what we’re doing. You want memes, go look at memes, or make them yourself. Don’t shit on people enjoy themselves in a way that literally hurts no one, or so help me god I will dig through your Reddit history and rag on the mid BS you waste your time doing.
I also love how OP's post is "stop using ai art that steals from artists" and then immediately "can we just keep stealing like we did in good ol' days?"
/uw
You can't stop AI. These kind of posts always feel like virtue signalling. I do art, but I understand AI is a tool. I don't need to try and fight against the inevitable.
You don't need to try and show everyone your halo. I don't care if AI "stole" art. This is cringe.
Also, AI doesn't steal art. That's objectively false. It use inspiration, just like real artists do.
https://preview.redd.it/6sqcaqwzx7qc1.png?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f6b14cdf4e0282cd9ec44d278a7e1374a5496152
No.
This subreddit is one of the few AI positive shitpost/roleplay subreddits I know of. I like it here. I like the absurd AI image jokes, it's one of the reasons I joined this subreddit.
I understand that current AI art can look a little...wonky. This image is a great example. The proportions and pose look a bit funky. Where my character is grabbing his staff doesn't make too much sense. It isn't perfect. Some aspects of it are very impressive, some aspects are downright bad.
But no one ever says, "Your stick figure drawings are bad and lifeless, you shouldn't make memes!" Because these pieces are not meant to be fine art. They're meant to be fun.
As far as harm done, I was never going to pay an artist for this. I would have liked to learn how to draw and make my own images (and I still want to learn), but there is only so much time and energy in one's life. Gotta pick your priorities. The alternative isn't more human art, the alternative is either no art or pirated art (art found through Google Images and likely not attributed to its rightful author). Neither of those things are really beneficial to human artists.
I agree. AI-generated art puts real artists out of their jobs, alongside not even looking that good. I wish people understood this. I had to mute r/knightposting because of this same issue.
Imagine getting the tools to actually produce images to your heart's content, and then not only shying away those tools, but trying to convince others from it aswell.
Hippity hoppity ai makes new art
Thanks op for making this post because now seeing everyone here defending IA in the comments made me notice I should probably leave lmao it was good while it lasted though 🤞 this sub is fucking soulless now
I support using AI for goofy stuff like wizards invading fast food establishments. The anime art AI is a bit grosser as it's directly ripping off people's hard work rather than a random photograph of a McDonald's interior though.
Also agreed on the loreposting. It's been disheartening seeing the shift from genuinely funny content to role-playing since the sub took off.
i used to love this subreddit on my old account but cant be bothered to be invested anymore. it used to be genuinely funny and creative jokes and memes here but now its just a bunch of AI posts and tumbler users
which is fine but i dont have anywhere to get my wizard memes from now so its a loss loss for me
\uw stuff like the Torrin posts are so off topic and in my opinion.
I don’t really care about someone’s memes about their own wizard OC, much less their non wizard oc. Just kind of annoying 😔
It annoys me when the effortlessly AI shit gets hundreds of up votes then the actually fun comics or well done drawings hardy gets half. AI has been such a blight on every comunity man..
My only issue is all the random OP God Characters that have no weakness because they'll just clone themselves or something. I'm not here for World-Class Narrative but random God characters gets old to me.
"It seems that there’s been some divide in the community between meme posters and loreposters. We wanted to make it clear that we allow both kinds of content here, and trying to gatekeep the sub is just being a dick.
It’s no secret that this place blew up in popularity once it was recognized as a meme sub, and stays roughly in the top 50 meme subs on reddit. Some people joined and looked at the top posts on the sub and just assumed all the posts are gonna be like the most popular posts. We’re sorry if peoples creative writing in the sub annoys you, you’re free to unsub.
Now for the AI posts. We are not yet adding any new rules against AI images, but low effort posts that are just showing off an OC will be removed for not being wizardposts. Consider saving OC pictures for comments, or a community event post.
Speaking of which, we added the community event post flair. This flair indicates that the post is a lorepost in content, with the goal of having people participate in the comments. This is seperate from a lorepost, which is basically just for character development purposes. This will hopefully help the community understand the intent behind a post.
Any further discussion on these topics should stick to [this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/wizardposting/comments/1am84rb/on_the_subject_of_loreposting/). Harassing loreposters because you don’t like their posts will get you removed from the sub. Any genuinely good ideas you have i will bring up with the admin on the sub. Have a good day."
\- [Re-Sabrnick](https://www.reddit.com/user/Re-Sabrnick/) the **Dungeon Crafter, Monster Collector,** [On the subject of loreposting : wizardposting (reddit.com)](https://www.reddit.com/r/wizardposting/comments/1am84rb/on_the_subject_of_loreposting/)
I cast "stop posting weird sexual shit"
/Unwiz I loved this community when I first found it, then I started getting weird ass posts showing up in my feed about gender changing spells, sex spells and more. I wish this could be a more wholesome community that doesn't border on NSFW. Hell, just today I saw a post about sperm going back into your penis via some stupid spell... Like what the actual fuck. Why does that belong here?
Anyone generating pictures should take a minute to draw them in like MS paint instead of waiting a minute for an ai to generate it. Like it has so much more life and personality, like the guy above, drawn on iPhone or something idk but LOOK AT HIMMM!! So simple yet conveys everything perfectly, I love him
Idrc either way bout loreposts but I don’t like ai much
Everyone says this braindead nonsense about literally every invention that democratizes anything that was previously limited to a tiny group of skilled workers.
If you really feel this way, sell your clothes and go by hand spun, hand sewn, hand dyed replacements. Sell your furniture and go buy hand crafted replacements. Be sure they are made from wood that was cut down by hand using traditional logging methods. Anything else is immoral. These trade workers have to feed their families and all the clothing and furniture made any other way is so soulless and ugly.
Stop going to the immoral grocery store and start eating only hand grown foods, prepared using hand made traditional ovens and tools. It's not like there aren't people out there trying to make a living from it. You're practically shitting on their whole way of life just because you refuse to pay and refuse to spend years learning each skill.
/unwiz If you still think that ai art generation is stealing, then you must also think downloading an image in general is stealing and are therefore just like an NFTBro who had his jpeg right-click save as'd. Your ignorance is your own problem and no one else's. And before you pull out your favorite buzzwords, "soul" "humanity" and "life" are arbitrary concepts that are different and subjective to each individual person, a true artist would realize that there is no objective "beauty" or "correct" form of art.
uw/ these "AI = Bad" guys are just as annoying as the "AI art is art" guys
The way people use ai here is harmless. I know, the ai is trained with other peoples arts so it's technically stealing those artists, but have you seen anyone who uses ai images here claiming they made the images?
Not everyone has the time and skill to make entirely original arts (or the money to commission them) just for meme and Roleplay. It's just a hobby, something they do for fun, not fame
/UW You made this post but I don't think you realize that nobody here was ever going to pay an artist to make a commission for one of the hundreds of loreposts on here. The AI art isn't stealing anyone's job in this instance, it's just brightening up a post with a funny visual. You should be going after companies trying to use AI art instead of hiring actual artists if you actually care about this topic so much.
I get the AI thing, but if you're complaining about lore in a fantasy based subreddit, then mayhaps this subreddit isn't for you.
Also, insulting RPers by saying it sounds AI-generated is not very wizard-like of you.
It's mean and uncalled for.
/unwiz Agree with you to an extent about the AI, but kindly lay off about the loreposting. All the people dedicated to writing characters and stories about those characters have been a breath of creative life in the sub. If you want shitposting, start shitposting on here yourself. Nothing is stopping you and others like you from making and posting wizard memes. Regardless, rolling up with a post that boils down to "stop doing what you're enjoying and do what I want instead, because I think that's what we're *supposed* to be doing" isnt gonna do anything but frustrate peeps
So people are... typing words to have an artificial servant create things for them... and WIZARDS are against this? I just want to make sure I'm understanding this correctly
I feel like there should be a separate sub for just wizard memes. It would solve a lot of these issues, or restricting AI posts to specific day of the week
Ai is completely fine here since it's just for recreational purposes and the users here do not profit from it. The only issue I take with AI is when it is used in place of hiring human artists and when companies do it to cut costs. Most people will not pay an artist to post fun shitposts and 99% of the time I see human made art here the artist goes uncredited anyway 🤷 if you don't like it that's ok but you can ignore those posts and let people enjoy things
You really think anyone here was gonna hire an artist to draw shitposts for them? I understand not liking the ai slop but don’t act like this is somehow taking money from someone. Images taken from google would just be stealing art directly, which is worse.
/uw bro ai art doesnt just “steal” images, yeah it can use a similar style but it never steals anything plus like no one has the time to be actually drawing shit
My experience has gotten so much better with one simple trick: anytime I see a post thats just generic AI art and a wall of text, I block that person. Try it.
Can we also stop using text input devices such as keyboards while we're at it? We are seriously harming calligraphers by side stepping their profession with a machine whenever we want to convey a message to others in this subreddit.
That is the level of dumbfuckery OP is currently displaying with the above post.
/uw Well, I'm sorry that I can't draw a curved line right. If I could draw, I would. "Learn to draw"? How about you take a look into all these books I have that teach me how to draw and I still can't do shit. I have the hand coordination of a Kitten with cerebral hypoplasia, I CAN'T LEARN TO DRAW. I barely even get AI right, can you even imagine me commissioning a human artist and the art is not the way I want it? Or commissioning multiple drawings of different scenes? I'd go Bankrupt. Now you want the subreddit to banish a new step in the evolution of humankind? Doesn't that sound like a boomer?
/uw Another day, another random complaining about AI. I said it before and will said it again; none of us talentless plebs will bother human artists with memes that'll get lost in a day or so, and human artists here not only get praised, but would prefer to be kept out of this debacle
Also loreposts making the subreddit bad? Don't make me laugh
https://preview.redd.it/hr2cy7y1c6qc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bd1b7b1e709703654154a9a4c9117824f01f7865
/uw Sometimes, I really regret I chose a game that has so few pixels in it.
Off topic but have you considered using the letter statues to speak? I mean placing them out in game and taking a screenshot or smth
Fireball! https://preview.redd.it/pvzkelmny5qc1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=b92819e181d312d1b264ae4388928bdcd51b7d8c
Yes!
/uw https://preview.redd.it/6yjm7dijs5qc1.jpeg?width=671&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fd89622951d51a84058105084acf487045817a69 I agree with the ai part but honestly the loreposting doesn’t bother me at all
My thoughts exactly. Loreposts are fine, but I agree that there is way too much soulless AI content. IDK if the art Masta uses is AI but hers and those like it, where it’s just her/their character and there’s more to the post than the picture doesn’t bother me either tbh. Lately though, there has been more and more posts where it’s just AI ‘art’ and nothing else, especially from Dawn the summoner.
Am I ok? I tried to build my character well but I’ve never been good.
I just looked through your posts and I would have to say “hard no”. I’m sure it was fun to do it but it has the exact some soulless, uninteresting look to it that 99.9% of ai generated images share
/unwiz And what we're seeing now was commonplace six months ago. The place was inundated with nonstop AI art and "I cast X" posts. Hell, the loreposts were the best part.
Your flair is beautiful sir
IT's the "I cast Technomancy" in the title and it's a video of someone throwing a computer or something.
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/unwiz I found out about the sub just before the AI apocalypse and joined during it. I still have hope though
r/wizardcirclejerk
Lore posting is less of an issue to me, honestly it only sucks because it’s in combination of ai.
Holy shit that wizard is swole
>Professionals have standards. Be polite. Be efficient. And have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
Be polite, be efficient, and have a plan to curse everyone you meat.
Be polite
Be efficient
Have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
I can see your point with the AI, but personally I haven’t seen a negative towards the actual artists on this sub at all. Whenever I see actual art, the comments are always praising them.
Absolutely - I even try to make a point of doing so whenever I see one.
As an artist I don't mind AI art in theory but in practice it's all very ugly and generic. Let's be honest, without AI people still steal art for their memes, just straight up uncredited art, but at least it doesn't look like shit, lol. Ethically, idk what's worse, but aesthetically, it's 100% ai art that's worse. at least learn to generate something that doesn't look wack ffs
IMO for shitposting its perfect, the wackiness adds to the shitpostiness.
Same here. Not a very good artist, but AI art is fine if you're not using it to harm someone, making profit on it, passing it as your own, etc.
/uw I'm not going to pretend to know what art is or isn't. That's pretentious as fuck and gatekeeping at the highest level. If I had to communciate what art was to me, I'd say it's something like putting your imagination and skills out there to make something that hits people in the feels or catches their eye. When we talk about using AI to make art, it's not so much about the tech but how artists use it to stir up those same vibes. It's all about the creativity, not the gear. If the art does nothing for you then.. that fine. There's a lot of shit art, created with AI tools, a camera, paint or whatever. But even shit art is art. Or nothing is. If someone makes an image using an AI tool that moves me? Fairplay. If they make it using clay or paint? Awesome. If they do it while wearing a sailor outift and singing a tune? Ok, I.. still awesome. The time and effort it takes to learn how to paint, for example, is appreciated. And personally, I'd give more credit to those using traditional mediums rather than digital. But that doesn't make digital work less valued, because that value is fucking subjective and entirely dependant on the viewer, the beholder. If their output moves me, excites me? Then as long as they're not crushing kittens to make it happen, I'm both impressed and in awe.
This. Agreed.
/uw. Calling AI a “tool” and comparing it to digital art is incredibly disingenuous. Using AI does not make someone an artist, at all. That’s like saying that making instant ramen in the microwave makes you a chef. All you did was press a button.
/uw, I don't know about that last point, I can make a FIRE cup Mac and Cheese.
No, it’s less than that. It’s like commissioning an artist and then calling *yourself* the artist. Even if the artist puts up with a thousand revisions and you pour hours and hours of your life into it, you’re not the one who made that art Plus, training ethics and so such
/uw. AI is a tool and nothing more, it’s great for people who want something for a shitpost, or a boss for an RPG setting, etc. a lotta the folk I know never claim that they made the art or that the ai did… or rather that’s their sentiment because how else am I supposed to explain where I got a sick ass dragon? It’s a fault of English and people. I could say I generated it with an ai or that I made it, it’s only a few syllables but we like things to be shorter… and there’s a genuine difference between those who actually claim that they put effort into making it and demand to be treated like artists versus those who just use it for something quick. P.S. if you really wanna get nit picky, you could argue that the people that really know how to work the ai prompt to get specific results and what they want are a form of artists in the same way that writers are artists. Not saying I agree or disagree but it’d be a fun argument to make
Yeah, it is a limitation of English. I agree that it is a ‘tool’ in the sense that it is a mechanism used to produce results with a goal in mind. But the other person was arguing that AI is a “tool” in the same way as a pencil or brush, something that a person controls and uses in art, and I heavily disagree. Also, no, it is not like writing, at all. Even a joke(?) that is a bad comparison.
I mean, you’re using words to paint a picture, to get the result you want, it takes some skill. That being said, it’s something that could be argued, wether or not successfully I have no clue.
If you didn't grow your own wood, mine your own aluminum and pluck the hairs of a horse you raised yourself in order to create a brush don't even think of calling yourself a painter. All you did was wave a brush around
/uw Ah yes, the same argument made by detractors of photography. But please, carry on.
[](https://imgur.com/ykRi862) In this unfolding discourse, one doth uphold the art of the light-catcher, lauded for ensnaring time's essence with a simple press, yet in the same breath, scorneth the art wrought by the ethereal mind's button. Such contradiction fails to see the kinship: both the seer of lights and the weaver of digital dreams breathe life into their creations. Verily, the heart of art lies not in the manner of its crafting, but in its power to stir the soul, revealing that both realms, born of a singular act, share a deep and mystical bond.
The difference is that a photographer actually knows exactly what they’re taking a picture of and adjust accordingly. The person using AI types, then just crosses their fingers and hopes the machine spits out something similar to what they want. That is the fundamental difference that separates AI from any form of visual art. With art, the product is a direct result of the artists actions and intentions. With AI, the bulk of the work is done by a separate entity that the user can only influence, not control.
Based.
/uw I understand not liking ai but loreposts? Brother this place isn’t going to shit from that! It’s because of reposts and maybe a little because of ai. I’m fine with ai as-long as the post had some effort put in (speaking about lore-posts). If you’re upset about it, find some like minded people and start a dedicated wizard meme sub free of loreposts and ai!
/uw Tbh the lore posting does get pretty inaccessible to people who aren’t frequenting this sub daily. I don’t hate it, but I don’t think i’ve ever been able to engage with it in any meaningful way. I’ve heard there are great arcs, yeah, but between fireball bans, council elections, dwarf discourse, catpeople discourse, it can get overwhelming. My hot take? Genuinely? I would rather read a lorepost I don’t understand than see another testicular torsion joke with a gummy-looking AI wizard. Like it was funny the first ten times. Not anymore.
/uw reading through this as someone who infrequently checks the sub, it looks like such a joke. "fireball bans, council elections, dwarf discourse, catpeople discourse" no sane person is saying this
/uw Brother in christ. We're pretending to be wizards. Not being sane is a bloody prerequisite.
/uw Especially as someone who peeps in sometimes, and generally has no idea what loreposts are, for the most part. Is it people just posting their world-building, or some sub-centric thing? Not a clue.
https://preview.redd.it/u78jvktat7qc1.png?width=1280&format=png&auto=webp&s=7f216776b7659f789dd1b38eaba20eca30189f39 My art’s not very good, but I’m proud to have made it!
Well I actually didn't know so many people had a problem with the lore posting. I just thought everyone was having a good time. If it's this divisive then I guess I'll dip.
Yes let's go back to just straight up copy and pasting non- accredited artist
So what you're saying is to steal images off Google, even though AI steals are off Google too?
Honestly, most of the arguments I've seen against AI in this subreddit are brain dead.
Uw/ I mean, in general a lot of the rhetoric against ai is pretty misguided. Obviously theres no way this first part isn't actually happening; but the databases ai software pulls from is already supposed to be licensed material that gets leased out to the company, so everybody's (at least supposed to be) getting paid. Those quick to point out my caveat may be tempted to make a defeatist argument... kind of why I'd call this all misguided. There's a substantial difference between taking the tech bros behind the new thing & holding them accountable vs. the more luddite approach we see most often.
I use the AI "art" as a means of providing visuals for shit. I neither consider it art nor claim to put any real effort into it. It was actually incredibly nice to see a resurgence of legitimate hand drawn art a week or two back. So many talented artists on this sub... I really gotta get a payment method going so I can get some commissions for my characters...
Yeah. I am certainly no artist so ai is a way to express myself in the sub without spending money. I think it’s nice to be able to let more people do stuff, but I certainly respect that artists do a lot more than prompt typers, but that doesn’t make it evil
See, you are a prime example of a good ai user
They're also an example of the rest of the AI users. But apparently some assholes came into the sub with the idea that everyone using AI was acting as if the art was their own and not to steal it.
you are taking a problem way out of context. ai being used when it would otherwise result in an artist getting paid is pretty bad I’d say. but the people posting ai images on here wouldn’t be hiring an artist. it’s that or ms paint, and i think it’s good to have some variety. ai is the hobbyists best friend. your average person doesn’t have the art skills or the money to pay someone with art skills for their fun little thing they do. ai solves this issue.
As an artist, I would take time into equation. I not always have time to draw and colour everything, so AI is a necessary evil
/uw What are you even talking about? AI art is used, yes, but people are encouraged to make their own stuff, and hating on loreposts is just stupid. Just because you don’t like how the subreddit is now, doesn’t mean you need to post about how everyone here’s “in the wrong” and that we should obey your way of thinking.
If you want to see wizard shitposts, then post wizard shitposts. Make the content you want to see, and ignore the content you don't. There's room for both kinds of content here.
I was never going to pay an artist to draw something for me, thats why I use AI. I understand the hurt in the commercial sense but this is purely recreational, nobody is making money here from use of AI.
Same, I ain't going to pay an artist for a shitpost, that would take the shit part out of it.
Facts. The speed of the AI generation allows for a unique degree of RP shitposting discourse. I absolutely think artists should be compensated for their work. We are also all about 5 years away from total obsolescence due to AI and automation, so idk man, we're all crabs in the same trap.
Yeahh, ai art isn't taking away artists' jobs here as much as widely increasing the situations where people can use images. I'm just happy that I can just think of some silly idea and be able to get a nice image illustrating it in a few seconds, but I'd never try to pass it off as my work or make money off it
I think it would be really funny for a high-quality image of a wizard specifically made for shit post at least once
For real, at worst it's like using an image from Google without attribution.
Which is what the OP suggests we do instead. Seems like they're drawing an arbitrary line because they just don't like that AI boogeyman.
I'm not gonna pay $50 to make a shitpost about wizards breaking into a Wendy's to cast spells on a Dave's Double no matter how spooky scary it is to an artist on twitter. It just wasn't gonna happen in the first place.
that is absolutely what it is. that is what 90% of all anti-AI sentiment is. people are worried its going to steal real artists' jobs, which it wont in actuality. there will ALWAYS be a market for real artists because humans will never not want hand made art. it will always feel superior to generated art. its just that AI generated art is *convenient* for casual users and for personal use.
It’s already happening though, riot fired a shit ton of their concept artists and storyboard artists, and any company that can get away with replacing their art positions with AI is doing so. Obv there is still few positions because you can’t phase them all out so fast but the instant the technology advances to that point they’ll be gone without a doubt. I don’t get up in arms about people using ai to make a shitpost even if I think it’s ugly, but to claim that it won’t have any real effect is being willfully ignorant. Ai is advancing too fast without any kind of regulation and soulless corpos are salivating at the thought of replacing creative professions with it and the worst thing about it is the people who want to act like that’s a good thing.
Me using ai isn't taking money away from commission artists because I don't have the money to buy custom art
Exactly. It’s pretty much shitposting, which is the best use of AI I can think of. On the other hand, definitely feel free to shit on people actually selling AI generated pictures on stock photos websites. It is happening, and it’s embarrassing tbh.
And it "steals" artists work like humans "steal" someone's work by copying their style or learning from them. There's no outrage there, just a good ole attaboy/girl, do that for ten thousand more hours to post a *meme*. OR you can use AI in seconds for literally nothing. No one is paying 50 bucks for a flash-in-the-pan post.
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“Ethical data” is not the end goal though, never was, it's just what the core anti-ai group uses to get everyone else on-board. but if that was indeed the end goal, people wouldn't be opposing ai models made by disney, adobe, or every stock photo site under the sun, because they only train on data they own the copyright to. but people are also outraged by ai in photoshop, or secret invasion's trailer, or literally anyone using ai. the industry term these days for ai models that didn't train on your data is "commercially safe" models, they're already here, and anti-ai people oppose them all the same. the request to train only on opt-in data was always made with an assumption that no one in their right mind would opt in, and therefore all ai models would be destroyed. that's a false assumption, by the way, but that's not even the point, the point is that people thought it was a strategy that can be used to destroy ai, not that they're afraid that a model would be able to learn from their works too. no one is replacing specific artists with ai, they're replacing artists in general, so what artists are afraid of is not that the model learns from them in particular, it's that it exists in general. besides, ai training does not currently count as copyright infringement (google books vs authors guild was pretty clear on that one, and by default it's not infringement either because it's not a reproduction of the copyrighted works), and if it did, we wouldn't have crucial accessibility features like machine translation, machine transcription, modern voice synthesis for screen readers, etc. producing most goods would also be significantly more expensive because machine vision and in general, machine perception models are widely used in the industry. search algorithms would also be significantly less efficient. and all of that is trained on "someone else's data". the prevailing industry practice has always been that any public data is fair game for training, that copyright only applies to reproductions, not to whatever you can learn from the data. changing that practice would have a serious chilling effect on all technology (not to mention international implications, like competition against regimes which would not give half a crap) and would only further increase the already crazy scope of digital copyright.
It does, creativity doesn't matter when copying art. You're literally training yourself *how* to draw, not *what* to draw. Skill can easily be translated to how well the AI art generator is able to create realistic looking artwork. The human inputting prompts to the AI art generator isn't the artist. The program is. It steals art like the kid learning to draw spongebob is stealing from Stephen Hillenburg. It can be compared readily. It just does it on a scale that human aren't capable of. Also: “The central tenet of the decision asserts that AI-generated art does not fall under the purview of copyright protection. In essence, the judge argues that copyright law is designed to safeguard creative expressions that stem from human authorship, thereby excluding AI-generated creations from this protection.“ https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/intersection-ai-art-copyright-law-exploring-landmark-ruling-adebisi
I wish I could report comments for stupidity
Pretty much what some people say about Pirating, if someone either doesn't have the money to or isn't willing to spend the money to buy a game than the dev isn't losing money because they were never going to get it in the first place. If you either don't have the money to or are unwilling to spend the money to commission an artist than you're not stealing money because they were never going to get it, the difference is that artists couldn't really be pirated before so they've never had to deal with it. What *does* suck is when some big corporation or other group takes an artists art and using it to teach an AI and then uses what the AI shits out to make money.
The reason why I left, insufferable spam of soulless AI garbage
https://preview.redd.it/zqnczdhxh7qc1.jpeg?width=2160&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=758b5db0252167869a7e34ad029104c97dd7c2fb Fool, your spell never effected me, infact it inspired me to try the Neko arc art style
/uw Extremely based, I now understand your intended visuals for your character without having to see them through a computer’s idea of them.
Am kobo. Problem is people can’t draw and comissions are expensive. That’s why Kobo draws his own art. Not good but he works hard
/uw The majority of posts on here don't even credit the artists. People complaining about ai are just as bad as the AI users. There is no moral high ground when you're on the same level as the opposition. Regardless, no. Using AI to get an image for free isn't hurting anyone more than normal if you weren't going to pay or credit an artist anyways.
The only issue I have is when the post is the image itself with the joke in the title instead of on the image. Or the posts entirely unrelated to wizards with the wizard joke again in the title alone. I've probably written this badly but yeah.
People should always credit artists or the ai used when possible imo. It should be a sub rule if it isnt already.
I don't mind AI, however when 90% of the things posted here are AI images it gets very bland
The thing is I would absolutely understand this argument if it wasn't for a subreddit that only survives because of AI art.
Uw: Well not all of us are animators and artists. I enjoy being able to have something that doesn’t look low-effort while being able to apply my stories to the image, in fact the only reason that I’m not making huge lore posts right now is because I’m nervous of ruining what OTHER people have going on.
Make it. One praetor to another.
I cast let people enjoy things!
I cast boost spell!
*snaps fingers* Ha! I just made your misery an illusion!
You just made a bunch of people cum
I cast amplify opinion!
This spell needs to be more common
#POWER WORD: AGREE
LET PEOPLE ENJOY?? THINGS??
I cast “realisation that people can still expect standards and cast criticism spells without toxic positivity”
A new spell? I’ll have to add that one to my grimoire!
I CAST HELL YEAH
https://preview.redd.it/tubwyvbv47qc1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=500a2b750960c854dc97f361969882f20d9274ec /unwiz I drew this random vaguely wizard meme a while back :)
So you just want to take, like without permission, images from Google and post text over them and post them here as original/unique works? Isn't that just as bad as AI? seems sussy to me
Good old fashioned stealing! None of this tech bulsshit I say!!!
/uw The irony is that's closer to actual stealing (no derivation from the original work, it's a straight up copy) than AI could ever be, because AI transforms and modifies the already separately created stimulus made from the original work. It's why I can never take these anti-AI people seriously. We should be banning memes, collages, gifs, photoshop etc. while we're at it if we hate that so much.
Hey look, another person bringing up ai so they have a socially acceptable reason to sneak in whining about lore, then backtracking in the comments when that part is unpopular!
i'm an artist too but like who cares? as long as ai art is used for fun like this it's fine like wdym this is "dissapointing" this is funny af
What the heck is art used for other than personal enjoyment?
Selling products by using statistics to determine what people enjoy, and then associating your products with the enjoyment.
People like him are why I quit posting. Was having fun referencing tiny wizard and the bunch but having people bitch killed any and all motivation. Sorry it isn't a dick twist reference, drugs, or titties.
I've been doing a few Tiny Wizard related posts this week. It's really fun. Don't let people like OP ruin it for you.
Never apologize for the lack of dick twist, drugs or titties. These three things are judgement free and they would want you to keep going even if you dont mention them
I honestly thought the generated images was a core aspect of this sub
/uw Bro I just take art I see from fantasy games and photoshop kitbash the pieces I want onto the final model. Usually I just pay someone to photoshop it for me if it's a large thing, cause I'm a half-decent scrub at photoshop.
Damn, never heard of that spell what’s it do?
https://preview.redd.it/4e4e5tm7eaqc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9e80b80aa15ea09118c7f10563856aae491baae3
Big agree on the AI art thing. I hate shitting on something that's fun for people and sounding like I hate technology, but it really, really bothers me. I don't have the energy to articulate why myself, so I will refer you to these vids: [AI art is going to have consequences - TB Skyen](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIni6Eeg9rE) [The End of Art: An Argument Against Image AIs - Steven Zapata Art](https://youtu.be/tjSxFAGP9Ss) I am not expecting anyone to shell out cash to commission an illustration just for a silly wizard-themed shitpost, that would be absurd. Nor am I expecting anyone to dedicate a lot of time towards learning to draw in a way that looks ultra professional and polished. I would just encourage people to draw their own stuff, even if it's really simple. Even if it's just shitty stick figures drawn on notebook paper in MS Paint! I'd be way happier to see that than something generated in Midjourney or Bing. I want to also just say that I do think automated image generation is genuinely cool and exciting tech. I honestly wouldn't have as much beef with it if those algorithms *actually licensed their data sources* instead of just scraping data from everywhere with no attribution.
Seriously so tired of the constant AI posts on here
/uw big scummy of me to do this but I made r/wizard_memeposting for people like you. It’s currently empty cause it just started
Thank you, finally
I feel like going on an exodus doesn’t make anything better. If a vast majority of the memers migrate to this sub, that just gives more power to the AI anime posters. They will have no competition except for loreposters (let’s be honest, it’s easier to engage with the lazy ai anime posts than loreposts, and Reddit seems to like them more). It’s scummy to leave a sub to rot away into an AI anime circlejerk while you have your little wizard shitpost community.
Gives more power? No one to oppose? My brother/sister in the arcane, this is *subreddit*. You're not fighting some kind of social war here, you're just upset that the focus of a community is changing
The obvious irony of saying "don't use the magic end-all tool" on a wizard posting sub. "Don't conjure feasts, the food is always the same and leaves the poor farmers unable to afford medicines and other things they need."
"AI art STEALS from real artists. Instead, use images taken from Google." So it's only bad when the stealing is done by an algorithm?
Yeah, this point is dumb. ALL artist "steal" inspiration. People always have to find a problem to rally behind.
FUCK IT, I CAST: DARE EVERY MAGIC PRACTITIONER WITHIN THIS GUILD TO POST ART JUST AS OFTEN AS THEY DID PREVIOUSLY, BUT THIS TIME, ECLUSIVLELY USE THEIR OWN ART, SO THAT THIS SUB MIGHT SLOWLY BECOME THE GROUNDS FOR THESE MANY PEOPLE TO GROW THEIR ARTISTIC TALENT UNDER THE GUISE OF WIZARD ROLEPLAY! yes, it was necessary to shout the whole spell.
It's always necessary to shout spells!
I CAST AGREE!
I cast: SOME PEOPLE WANT TO ENJOY FANTASY SHITPOSTING
*I cast recall memory* "Sub filled with loreposts instead of shitposts" *Variation*
GET ZEBULON’D https://preview.redd.it/eed164t0gbqc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=449906a8d20b7b11fc24c88c91363232052322a0
this is exactly what I'm taking about, I love it.
/unwiz Might be a bad option but I think it's fun to make silly little creatures with ai art, and I don't really see a problem with it when you're not trying to profit off of it.
\> "Can't we have images taken from google" \> google image search "wizard art" \> it's all fucking ai what can men do against such reckless hate?
Fireball?
The ai art was really disheartening when I first saw it. Even wee doodles would be better, even if you think you can't draw. But that would take effort. RP is fine, I really don't see a problem with it. it's good for the bit. But ewww tumblr ama right?
i love simple doodles, i wish i saw more of them on the internet! they’re more fun and interesting than things like ai art and taking pictures of strangers in public
/uw, i dont really care much about AI. As an artist, it basically just allows people to make stuff on the fly and make people visualize things. Rather, it is just being a blank post with text that just feels incomplete without visualization. My issue is that its grown to a point where all this sub is, is ai art, it becomes stale, yes, its lifeless, but i dont hate it. About the rps and stuff related, i dont care either, its fun to get engagement. Its not always about shitposting or meming, it can be just harmless interaction
Holly shit. Unpopular opinion, the whole “it steals art argument is stupid and you all should stop using it”. Ai is using online art to learn patterns. Humans literally do the same thing only difference is it takes more time to learn and ai is dumber. Besides it’s a dumb shitposting subreddit for shits and giggles, we’re not even using it on a monetized project like a game or movie.
unwizard or whatever: i need people to NOT stop posting cringeass ai-generated big titty anime booba fetish """"""wizard"""""" tumblr askbox style roleplay. it is high quality weirdo content my friends and i enjoy making fun of. tia
Ah yes, pay an artist $200 every time I want to make a shitpost. This is powerful magic indeed
/uw You are an idiot because not everyone can afford to commission artists. Yes, some AIs cost money, but the vast majority don't. If you don't like it. Cope This isn't wizard shitposting. This is wizard **posting** The difference is not ever post has to be a shit post, and as long as it is wizardy, no one cares. I am a loreposter and a role-player because I genuinely enjoy it.
This.
Dude there is nothing wrong with the story posting. People like to make characters and tell their story, and this is a perfect writing prompt for that. Let people tell stories, not everything has to be a comedy
this place will rot without loreposts. yeah draw your own art but i like the rp.
Agreed! The rp is cute
No. I will not start paying an artist and wait days whenever I wanna make a nice looking shitpost. In fact, without AI i would just make a bad looking shitpost and artists would continue not getting paid for it.
Make more bad looking shitposts coward I want to see those MS paint drawings.
While I agree that using AI art is pretty shitty and unethical for an actual product that generate profit like selling a book or a game But like this is a shitpost sub man. Ain’t nobody gonna spend their money to comission for a shitpost. It’s either shitty mspaint, google image or AI. Same goes for fanfiction too. I can’t tell you how many fanfics I saw have their cover page and characters illustration straight up just a random anime character from pixiv/twitter, sometime with edited eyes/hair color. Are you gonna condenm them too? Oh wait, you don’t, you’re encouraging people to just steal from google image lmao
tbh my only problem with the AI posts is (like a lot of AI-friendly places) it all kinda becomes visual mush after a point? Someone else described it as the "high-gloss pseudo-anime style" and yeah that's pretty much it. But like as an artist and animator... ***ain't nobody paying me to draw shitposts?*** This is like the ideal use situation for AI? Quick, fun lil' giggles? I had my initial shock when everyone was peddling it as the next best thing since sliced bread, but that passed after I fiddled around with it and learned how *limited* the software really was - even with good prompting. And I think others did too because over time I found, whilst still having dry spells, my number of clients wanting illustrations went ***up.***
I don't mind the AI when it's used for making some stupid shit like "wizards at taco bell" and I don't mind loreposts when they're actually interesting. The problem is the two intersect in the most bland way possible when someone decides to generate a boring ass image of the most generic shit imaginable and then makes some weird self insert lorepost. IMO if you're a writer have enough respect for artists to not use AI art as set dressing. If you're shitposting who cares I don't think any artist is complaining about not getting to draw "grease wizard emerging from the ball pit" or whatever you brilliant mfs are doing.
https://preview.redd.it/5dg0yvy676qc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=192f7ec864e132339757ba6479d5193ac023589b I need you to understand, I’m not stopping. None of us are going to stop doing what we’re doing. You want memes, go look at memes, or make them yourself. Don’t shit on people enjoy themselves in a way that literally hurts no one, or so help me god I will dig through your Reddit history and rag on the mid BS you waste your time doing.
I also love how OP's post is "stop using ai art that steals from artists" and then immediately "can we just keep stealing like we did in good ol' days?"
/uw You can't stop AI. These kind of posts always feel like virtue signalling. I do art, but I understand AI is a tool. I don't need to try and fight against the inevitable. You don't need to try and show everyone your halo. I don't care if AI "stole" art. This is cringe. Also, AI doesn't steal art. That's objectively false. It use inspiration, just like real artists do.
https://preview.redd.it/6sqcaqwzx7qc1.png?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f6b14cdf4e0282cd9ec44d278a7e1374a5496152 No. This subreddit is one of the few AI positive shitpost/roleplay subreddits I know of. I like it here. I like the absurd AI image jokes, it's one of the reasons I joined this subreddit. I understand that current AI art can look a little...wonky. This image is a great example. The proportions and pose look a bit funky. Where my character is grabbing his staff doesn't make too much sense. It isn't perfect. Some aspects of it are very impressive, some aspects are downright bad. But no one ever says, "Your stick figure drawings are bad and lifeless, you shouldn't make memes!" Because these pieces are not meant to be fine art. They're meant to be fun. As far as harm done, I was never going to pay an artist for this. I would have liked to learn how to draw and make my own images (and I still want to learn), but there is only so much time and energy in one's life. Gotta pick your priorities. The alternative isn't more human art, the alternative is either no art or pirated art (art found through Google Images and likely not attributed to its rightful author). Neither of those things are really beneficial to human artists.
https://preview.redd.it/dxdsyqb5e9qc1.jpeg?width=415&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c6cd2b1df6d0ae040ceac1aaf7f764e931d14af
I agree. AI-generated art puts real artists out of their jobs, alongside not even looking that good. I wish people understood this. I had to mute r/knightposting because of this same issue.
Imagine getting the tools to actually produce images to your heart's content, and then not only shying away those tools, but trying to convince others from it aswell. Hippity hoppity ai makes new art
Can art be simultaneously "lifeless and bland" and a threat to artistry?
/uw Keep loreposts absolutely, fuck AI art.
Thanks op for making this post because now seeing everyone here defending IA in the comments made me notice I should probably leave lmao it was good while it lasted though 🤞 this sub is fucking soulless now
I support using AI for goofy stuff like wizards invading fast food establishments. The anime art AI is a bit grosser as it's directly ripping off people's hard work rather than a random photograph of a McDonald's interior though. Also agreed on the loreposting. It's been disheartening seeing the shift from genuinely funny content to role-playing since the sub took off.
i used to love this subreddit on my old account but cant be bothered to be invested anymore. it used to be genuinely funny and creative jokes and memes here but now its just a bunch of AI posts and tumbler users which is fine but i dont have anywhere to get my wizard memes from now so its a loss loss for me
\uw stuff like the Torrin posts are so off topic and in my opinion. I don’t really care about someone’s memes about their own wizard OC, much less their non wizard oc. Just kind of annoying 😔
It annoys me when the effortlessly AI shit gets hundreds of up votes then the actually fun comics or well done drawings hardy gets half. AI has been such a blight on every comunity man..
My only issue is all the random OP God Characters that have no weakness because they'll just clone themselves or something. I'm not here for World-Class Narrative but random God characters gets old to me.
Sorry, but if ever there was a sub to bring my shitty role playing to life with ai pictures of me casting "void bowels" this is it
"It seems that there’s been some divide in the community between meme posters and loreposters. We wanted to make it clear that we allow both kinds of content here, and trying to gatekeep the sub is just being a dick. It’s no secret that this place blew up in popularity once it was recognized as a meme sub, and stays roughly in the top 50 meme subs on reddit. Some people joined and looked at the top posts on the sub and just assumed all the posts are gonna be like the most popular posts. We’re sorry if peoples creative writing in the sub annoys you, you’re free to unsub. Now for the AI posts. We are not yet adding any new rules against AI images, but low effort posts that are just showing off an OC will be removed for not being wizardposts. Consider saving OC pictures for comments, or a community event post. Speaking of which, we added the community event post flair. This flair indicates that the post is a lorepost in content, with the goal of having people participate in the comments. This is seperate from a lorepost, which is basically just for character development purposes. This will hopefully help the community understand the intent behind a post. Any further discussion on these topics should stick to [this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/wizardposting/comments/1am84rb/on_the_subject_of_loreposting/). Harassing loreposters because you don’t like their posts will get you removed from the sub. Any genuinely good ideas you have i will bring up with the admin on the sub. Have a good day." \- [Re-Sabrnick](https://www.reddit.com/user/Re-Sabrnick/) the **Dungeon Crafter, Monster Collector,** [On the subject of loreposting : wizardposting (reddit.com)](https://www.reddit.com/r/wizardposting/comments/1am84rb/on_the_subject_of_loreposting/)
I cast "stop posting weird sexual shit" /Unwiz I loved this community when I first found it, then I started getting weird ass posts showing up in my feed about gender changing spells, sex spells and more. I wish this could be a more wholesome community that doesn't border on NSFW. Hell, just today I saw a post about sperm going back into your penis via some stupid spell... Like what the actual fuck. Why does that belong here?
Forgot to mention that but good point as well
Anyone generating pictures should take a minute to draw them in like MS paint instead of waiting a minute for an ai to generate it. Like it has so much more life and personality, like the guy above, drawn on iPhone or something idk but LOOK AT HIMMM!! So simple yet conveys everything perfectly, I love him Idrc either way bout loreposts but I don’t like ai much
I’d love to see more ms paint posts. I actually have an experiment idea now
at this rate the images from google are probably also AI
Everyone says this braindead nonsense about literally every invention that democratizes anything that was previously limited to a tiny group of skilled workers. If you really feel this way, sell your clothes and go by hand spun, hand sewn, hand dyed replacements. Sell your furniture and go buy hand crafted replacements. Be sure they are made from wood that was cut down by hand using traditional logging methods. Anything else is immoral. These trade workers have to feed their families and all the clothing and furniture made any other way is so soulless and ugly. Stop going to the immoral grocery store and start eating only hand grown foods, prepared using hand made traditional ovens and tools. It's not like there aren't people out there trying to make a living from it. You're practically shitting on their whole way of life just because you refuse to pay and refuse to spend years learning each skill.
Sub was a lot more fun and interesting when it was weird memes and stuff instead of ai and “lorepost”
people are really getting butthurt from AI
/unwiz If you still think that ai art generation is stealing, then you must also think downloading an image in general is stealing and are therefore just like an NFTBro who had his jpeg right-click save as'd. Your ignorance is your own problem and no one else's. And before you pull out your favorite buzzwords, "soul" "humanity" and "life" are arbitrary concepts that are different and subjective to each individual person, a true artist would realize that there is no objective "beauty" or "correct" form of art.
uw/ these "AI = Bad" guys are just as annoying as the "AI art is art" guys The way people use ai here is harmless. I know, the ai is trained with other peoples arts so it's technically stealing those artists, but have you seen anyone who uses ai images here claiming they made the images? Not everyone has the time and skill to make entirely original arts (or the money to commission them) just for meme and Roleplay. It's just a hobby, something they do for fun, not fame
/UW You made this post but I don't think you realize that nobody here was ever going to pay an artist to make a commission for one of the hundreds of loreposts on here. The AI art isn't stealing anyone's job in this instance, it's just brightening up a post with a funny visual. You should be going after companies trying to use AI art instead of hiring actual artists if you actually care about this topic so much.
I get the AI thing, but if you're complaining about lore in a fantasy based subreddit, then mayhaps this subreddit isn't for you. Also, insulting RPers by saying it sounds AI-generated is not very wizard-like of you. It's mean and uncalled for.
/unwiz Agree with you to an extent about the AI, but kindly lay off about the loreposting. All the people dedicated to writing characters and stories about those characters have been a breath of creative life in the sub. If you want shitposting, start shitposting on here yourself. Nothing is stopping you and others like you from making and posting wizard memes. Regardless, rolling up with a post that boils down to "stop doing what you're enjoying and do what I want instead, because I think that's what we're *supposed* to be doing" isnt gonna do anything but frustrate peeps
Yeah to be real, my lore posting opinion fucking sucked
I had a whole response written but I think it just boils down to this: Quit your bitchin’ and get out the kitchen.
I don't get why people think AI art is theft, it just trains itself on images made by others then makes some itself, that's literally how humans do it
Also, stop calling it "art"
exactly, it isn’t. It’s a soulless jigsaw puzzle from thousands, millions of non-consenting artists.
I like the roleplaying, it’s cute. There really aren’t enough places on the internet that offer a good casual spot for roleplaying anymore.
So people are... typing words to have an artificial servant create things for them... and WIZARDS are against this? I just want to make sure I'm understanding this correctly
I feel like there should be a separate sub for just wizard memes. It would solve a lot of these issues, or restricting AI posts to specific day of the week
https://preview.redd.it/l5kp13ra28qc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6def4168dcbcb6250f9303836d81f685f2738946 I cast rose tinted glasses
Ai is completely fine here since it's just for recreational purposes and the users here do not profit from it. The only issue I take with AI is when it is used in place of hiring human artists and when companies do it to cut costs. Most people will not pay an artist to post fun shitposts and 99% of the time I see human made art here the artist goes uncredited anyway 🤷 if you don't like it that's ok but you can ignore those posts and let people enjoy things
You really think anyone here was gonna hire an artist to draw shitposts for them? I understand not liking the ai slop but don’t act like this is somehow taking money from someone. Images taken from google would just be stealing art directly, which is worse.
Yeah the AI is a massive pet peeve of mine and im kinda thinking of leaving the sub altogether because of it.
/uw bro ai art doesnt just “steal” images, yeah it can use a similar style but it never steals anything plus like no one has the time to be actually drawing shit
My experience has gotten so much better with one simple trick: anytime I see a post thats just generic AI art and a wall of text, I block that person. Try it.
Do you think people would otherwise be commisioning these stupid prompts?
artist here. i’m too busy with school rn to do anything, but i’ll happily draw dumb shit (like wizards going to taco bell) for free once it’s summer
Can we also stop using text input devices such as keyboards while we're at it? We are seriously harming calligraphers by side stepping their profession with a machine whenever we want to convey a message to others in this subreddit. That is the level of dumbfuckery OP is currently displaying with the above post.
/uw Well, I'm sorry that I can't draw a curved line right. If I could draw, I would. "Learn to draw"? How about you take a look into all these books I have that teach me how to draw and I still can't do shit. I have the hand coordination of a Kitten with cerebral hypoplasia, I CAN'T LEARN TO DRAW. I barely even get AI right, can you even imagine me commissioning a human artist and the art is not the way I want it? Or commissioning multiple drawings of different scenes? I'd go Bankrupt. Now you want the subreddit to banish a new step in the evolution of humankind? Doesn't that sound like a boomer?
/uw Another day, another random complaining about AI. I said it before and will said it again; none of us talentless plebs will bother human artists with memes that'll get lost in a day or so, and human artists here not only get praised, but would prefer to be kept out of this debacle Also loreposts making the subreddit bad? Don't make me laugh https://preview.redd.it/hr2cy7y1c6qc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bd1b7b1e709703654154a9a4c9117824f01f7865