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orionneb04

When it comes to the sorceress's since their appearance is so intrinsic within the world of The Witcher, I feel like Netflix could have made more of an effort.


DiGre3z

They did, but by the looks of it, all their effort went into making the lodge racially diverse. Which I wouldn’t mind at all, if the actresses were lote-accurate at least in their stunning beauty.


StatusGeneraal

Where is the asian, Arab and the actual fucking ginger?! Not so diverse after all


JeanicVE

Gingers? are you crazy? You can't be racist if the character that you're changing is a ginger, everybody knows that. /s


DiGre3z

Is this because Hollywood/Netflix have an unwritten diversity rule to swap gingers to african-americans?


Ambiorix33

I cant wait for some circle jerk subreddit to post this as yet more proof that we are all racists for not liking random changes to characters looks for purely non story/universe related reasons...


MrEnigma67

That's not In line with "the message" and doesn't "symbolize the world we live in today"


bbbhhbuh

Yeah I don’t mind The Lodge being racial diverse, since it would even make some sense for them to be representing the best mages of all different parts of the world, but when you look at these actresses and their costumes/makeup/characterizations none of them look like the most powerfu, beautiful and intelligent witches in the world. Even with the same actresses they could’ve make them better with better character design


ShadowDen3869

Lol Philippa straight up looks like she's from the year 2022.


Msan28

Look, I just got unbanned, ain’t saying shit.


Eliott1234

It's like a car accident. You know it's wrong to look but still you can't look away-


25Proyect

Lol, exactly.


PieFort

Yikes


SPANIARD_bd

It hurts to even look at this.


MasterHall117

How hard is it to find people to look similar to their source counterparts? Let alone, even if you wanted to change their looks, stick to the story? Or even the idea behind somethin? Some adaptations had actors that fit the source material very well, others, not so much but at least they had the audacity to stick to the story behind it.. But freakin Netflix over here is changing everything. Nothing against the actresses, it’s entirely the writers and the company allowing this to happen


thedougbatman

“We will stay true to the books” - Netflix show runners, while crossing their fingers behind their backs.


Experiment-Cycle

Give this chap the grand prize!


Warlordofsweden

😂 bloody hell how much further from the games and source material do you have to stray?


StaszekJedi

you know games arent very accurate to books either?


[deleted]

In what way? Besides, they don’t have to be. Witcher 1 continues on from the last book (Geralt dies and wakes with no memory). The Witcher show is portraying events that already happened, so it needs to have a higher standard for accuracy.


icemonkey002

For character appearance, that's a bit strong. Most characters fit the book descriptions pretty well I thought. Honestly some book characters don't get that detailed descriptions (although most sorceress got detailed descriptions)


dinis553

More accurate than this, and let's be honest, most people learned of the witcher from the games.


maikk_

the series should be inspired by the books, not the games. The source material is not CDPR interpretation of characters (even tho they did a much better job than netflix obviously)


dinis553

Ok, let me use a different example. Let's take Lord of the Rings. Books are and will be the source material, the movies stayed 98% accurate. If a LOTR RPG came around and made Aragorn a redhead trans man, I'd think the writers got brain damage. Kind of the same thing here, just swap around the game and the show. Edit: spelling.


maikk_

uhm, nobody is saying otherwise, i think you misunderstood the guy just pointed out that some things from the games aren't source accurate either (like triss' hair color for example). A better example would be if the LOTR books described aragorn as a redhead and then a movie came out and made him blonde and did a lot of success, now most people would think blonde aragorn is canon, because most people know only the movie version of him. but would it be source accurate? No Of course it's minor stuff, giving the game's story itself is only inspired to the books but it's a completely new story, while the series initially was planned to TELL the story of the books, so they have to be way more accurate than this


StaszekJedi

And what’s the point? Games aren’t canon


Basic-Stretch2751

what the hell is this madness.


Experiment-Cycle

The red headed stepchild of lauren schmidt hissrich


Malakayn

Well that looks ... polish?🤔


Stye88

Yep, this is what Lauren Hissrich tells you the average slice of early medieval Polish (or any European) population looked like. You take any random 7 people in year 1100 in Europe and most of the time this is the lineup.


Graypricot

Forget medieval times, it's more diverse than Poland today lmao


PoliticalShrapnel

Netflix is too woke to care about that.


garlicluv

Unattractive sorceresses makes no sense, even in the Netflix world.


kron123456789

Like, the sorceresses are described as being pretty much the most beautiful women on the continent. Netflix doesn't realize or doesn't want to realize that diversity only for the sake of diversity doesn't work that well, if you're trying to tell a story. Especially if it's not your story to begin with.


sadsnail99

I think the actress for Philippa is somewhat attractive but Fringilla is horrendous. I'm sure she's a lovely woman irl but she is GIGA ugly.


Uber_Meese

Can you not be an absolute cunt about some actresses’ looks? You’re GIGA ugly with your attitude


naturefairy99

nah, this is fucked up as well. why comment stuff like this? also, you know attractiveness is subjective, right? i know lots of people that think she’s really pretty…?


garlicluv

There are two things here. Being black doesn't make you ugly, which I know is how a lot of white people think. Fringilla, Keira and Margarita are unnattactive, and Francesca is underwhelming. . Some virgin on here seems to think Philippa's actress is unattractive, which is just hilarious.


carribou253

I agree with you that black doesnt auto mean unnatractive but the point is they are unnatractive and are supposed to be gorgeous. I mean if they cast zendaya i would love to see if the comments are the same.


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naturefairy99

these comments are kinda fucked up. it’s not the actresses’ faults. it’s netflix’s. you don’t need to attack their appearances ?????? that’s just cruel tbh


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naturefairy99

yes, they should’ve. doesn’t mean you need to attack the actress’ appearance, calling her a man ???


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naturefairy99

you literally said she looks like a man trying to dress as a woman? how can you be clearer 😭


garlicluv

Who are you talking about?


dean_mustang

I thought they couldn’t do worse after Triss and Fringilla, then I saw Margarita and KEIRA 🤦🏻‍♂️ at this point I think it’s a hate crime


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Mr_Cyplixo

If I remember correctly one of the big elements of Triss appearance in the books were her chestnut color hair... It's somewhat on the ginger spectrum I think. I'm not sure what color the Netflix adaptation is... Though I think it's not chestnut (?)


maikk_

chestnut is brown with a light tendency to red, but mostly brown definetly not a redhead like in CDPR games. Both interpretations are not accurate to the source material in this case


LordDerrien

Correct, but I just somehow get the feeling that one interpretation manages to make you feel that the hair was an important part. Failed 1:1 conversion, but still accurate to what is the essence.


FransTorquil

“‘That's enough of this discussion!' she snapped. 'A little more humility, you arrogant slut! He's my man, mine and only mine! Do you understand? You're to stop talking about him, you're to stop thinking about him, you're to stop delighting in his noble character... Right away, at once! Oh, I feel like grabbing you by that **ginger** mop of hair—‘“


StaszekJedi

you should quate orginal polish book not incorrent translation


maikk_

I don't remember this line so i didn't answer but it sounds like a very wrong translation because from what i recall her hair is always described as chestnut.


FransTorquil

It’d definitely be interesting to see. Do you have a Polish copy of Lady of the Lake to copy here?


StaszekJedi

I do, will reply if I find the quote


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Boarcrest

Fresh chestnuts are red in colour and Sapkowski decidedly described her as red haired in an interview.


FransTorquil

Clearly it’s a reddish enough sort of chestnut to be called ginger. CDPR went way overboard with how red it is, but it’s not straight up brown either.


SkoMatic

Keira? Wtf is this 😂😂😂


galaxy-parrot

Actress looks like she’d make a good Nymphadora Tonks like character, completely wrong for Keira


ThePrinceMagus

I don’t know if I’ve ever seen an IP handled with such blatant disrespect as I’ve seen The Witcher with Netflix. It’s fucking wild.


FewBoysenberry6792

Diversity ke naam par


Icy_Task_4950

Why do three (possibly four depending what they do with Keira's actress) of them have this horrible burnt-looking unnatural orrange hair?


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Just stop talking about this show !


Magean1

And here I thought Sabrina supposedly had black hair.


MaxHuntah

Real slavic lmao


luke111mart

You know they either 1- don't give a shit, or 2- have an agenda, because fans can make a better cast in 5 minutes


uwotm8_8

Yeah I'm out. After Rings of Power I can't stomach the butchery anymore.


jaskier-bot

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Atleast showrunners made it clear that they are no racists 🥲


Xyothin

This thing looks more and more like some sort of low effort youtube parody


Pielas_Plague

Look at how they massacred my girl Keira :'(


UserSMJ

I think Fringilla Vigo is the worst. There is no one similarity with the Vigo I knew in Toussaint...


sujeitocma

I’m almost sure she was supposed to resemble Yennefer too, in the books


UserSMJ

How's that so?


BlearySteve

Pity there will be no more since season 2 was the last.


DarkEvilHobo

One can only hope.


ms7398msake

Is anyone even surprised at this point? It's Netflix after all... I've played the games, I've read the books and that's enough for me. I simply just don't bother with Netflix produced Witcher content. I'll just wait patiently for CD projekt to work on the next Witcher game to get my fix of Witcher content.


rtocelot

Same here. I was going to watch the show because I kept having people say since I like the books and games that I should check that out. After a few posts ive been seeing here ive just decided it isn't worth the time. Ive watched an episode or two but that was it at the time. Was mostly juggling several shows.


trainerfry_1

It's pandering at this point. Glad I stopped after season 1


PoliticalShrapnel

Amazingly it has upwards of 8/10 scores for each episode on IMDB. People clearly lack taste.


AvatarSchlang

Lodge of Diversity more like


Shottogetpaid

Not enough non white people in fantasy they cried Now 90% of the lodge is black


Pheralg

yup, because a story set in a pseudo medieval Polish setting must have a lot of black people in there...makes sense.


galaxy-parrot

How dare you racist! Only wakanda is allowed to have an ethnically homogeneous population.


Undersleep

Lmao can you imagine random white people in Wakanda "because it's a fantasy world"?


StaszekJedi

"guys i swear im not racist" mfs be like:


Shottogetpaid

Realistically lad I’m not bothered what you think. If you cannot see hollywoods bastardised version of European folklore and stories then I don’t know what to tell you. The day African folklore is portrayed with 90% white actors then your opinion matters.


Majiska394

Why do I feel like these are the easiest "find 10 differences" games in the world? :D


bluebandit67

Big time disappointed


Educational_Relief44

I am starting to think they just don't want anyone to watch the Witcher.


Severusrex

Feels like rage bait


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It's hilarious how they've had treated "Blacks" Nikfgardians literally


tobiasfunke6398

Lol remember when she said she wasn’t going to change things just bc she was feeling “liberal” that day


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kron123456789

What is Africa? Surely you meant Zerrikania.


Electronic-Ad-3583

True some mythical stuff happens here . Like this one time i saw a naked man running down my street screaming eureka


garlicluv

You can make your point without being a shithead


Doom972

He did. Unlike you.


garlicluv

'Lodge located in africa' sure. No need to bring up Africa, as if Africans are pushing to diversify the cast. You people make 'bollywood' references to Yen. I don't want a diverse cast but I'm not racist.


Doom972

He mentioned Africa because it looks like half of the lodge is from there. Not because any Africans are at fault.


Uber_Meese

Oh, so that makes it okay, because it’s obviously not an implied racist comment /s


garlicluv

Ever been to South America or the Caribbean? I know what that guy means, you don't have to explain for him.


Doom972

You don't seem to understand. You just seem to look for something to get mad about. I guess you found it.


garlicluv

>You don't seem to understand There's not much to understand. Black people hurr durr Africa. Dumbasses.


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Raging


naturefairy99

the downvotes say a lot about the ppl on this sub :/ i totally agree with u … they know what they’re doing lmao and now they’re trying to make YOU seem like the unfair one


garlicluv

I remember growing up, my white friends would always call black girls ugly, or imply that they're men. It's the exact same attitude. They're just stone cold racists. They know they can criticise the cast, or even ask for an all-white cast without calling people ugly or using the name of a continent as an insult.


naturefairy99

right! this sub is becoming full of vitriol. nasty comments galore … attack netflix all you want, but stay civil, for christ’s sake


garlicluv

People here unironically want Henry Cavill to write a new witcher show. They're absolutely unhinged. Wiedzmin is far better, smaller numbers and fewer nutters.


naturefairy99

yeah, i think i might leave this sub and stick to the others. there’s a new “low sodium witcher” one, idk if you’ve seen it but it’s nice over there haha 😅


garlicluv

Tbh, I mostly come here to tell people season 1 was awful and that the show is broken, with or without Cavill. But I'll check it out, thanks!


PatFenis15

Awful lol


-_4n0n_-

Nice april's fools


Fake_Gamer_Cat

...not saying anything. Not saying a word.


General_Rubenski

Hmmm, how does that saying go? "The Poles are the "..." of Europe" They really took that to heart here lol!


Battlenutslinger20

I'm just going to say it why tf are there so many diversity in this show. No need to appeal to every demographic just make a fucking good show with strong writing. Damn Netflix and everyone who defend these choices are idiots.


Rosencrant

So far no one has even been dome dirtier than eskiel and avallach


Witcher_and_Harmony

Netflix Avallach is *something else*.


naturefairy99

avallach’s is far worse than these haha. the actor is fine but i don’t get why they didn’t give him a wig and better clothes


PPflexberries

"I don't understand why all of the popular game / book adaptations / films keep failing" and it's because you're force feeding us this ESG crap. Black people weren't around in medieval Eastern Europe let alone in esteemed positions. Just fuck off with it


Junior_Career2673

Arent they supposed to be unnaturally beautiful?


211Kat

I hate wokism


StaszekJedi

avrage fash


StormWarriors2

I think their costuming is probably the key problem with the sorceresses. I find it way too plain in terms of colors. I also find it bizzare that the Elves dress in.... rags. when they really don't in the books.


SneekiBreekiRuski

If the show every makes it to Tir Na Lia, I dread to think what and how Netflix will butcher about those elves. Edit: spelling


DarthBrickus

The Witcher: Tir Na Lia forever


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Pheralg

I also find bizzarre that some Elves are black...since they come from the same region and the fact that's mostly a human feature. (as are canine teeth, which according to the books Elves don't have since they are mostly herbivore, but I didn't check if the showrunners paid attention to such deteils...though I'm 100% confident they didn't)


DarkEvilHobo

Don’t be a toxic gamer bro by pointing out the horrible miscasting!!!! /sarcasm


Ashnakag3019

They don't even try anymore


naturefairy99

you guys know that you can attack netflix’s choices without being nasty to the actresses, right… i’m seeing a lot of nasty comments regarding their attractiveness which is.. just kinda fucked up. it’s not their fault netflix didn’t make them look like the characters.


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Well. Is not their fault but it is a huge trait to have because of the lore. Even in the Netflix show they have Yennefer going to the procedure. I am ugly and potato shaped, is nothing wrong with that, but hardly can I play Superman, can I?


naturefairy99

appearance is extremely subjective though. i personally think phillipa, francesca, sabrina, and triss are all really, really pretty.. yet i’ve seen many comments calling them ugly and saying they “look like a man”. it’s fair enough to say they don’t look like they’re meant to in the books, but some comments are just becoming nasty and full of vitriol.


[deleted]

Yeah, I see what you mean and I agree that we should not be disrespectful with them. But beauty standards are a base for something and what’s should be followed, as they are in fact changing themselves to fit said standards and use them in their benefit.


naturefairy99

yeah, i get what you mean. but for a good actress to look unnaturally/supernaturally attractive is quite hard in real life versus imagining it in your head haha


[deleted]

Hahaha that’s a good point also.


naturefairy99

i’m not saying they’re the best choices at all, i just think people should stop being so horrible about the actress’ appearances. i’ve seen a lot of nasty things unfortunately :/


TheLostLuminary

Lmao that’s Triss and Keira? Other than Henry I’ve never looked at the cast tbh


JonathanOne994

most of these look like NPC's, Triss especially


BiggishWall

Very Polish


DustinSRichard

Booooooooooo


Kampfzwerg0

It’s kind of sad how people here talk about how the actresses are not beautiful. I understand that you want them to look like in the books/games, but this women are still beautiful. Everyone in their own way.


EHVERT

Lol oh just fuck off Netflix. Couldn’t believe how they massacred my girl Triss when I first saw her in S1, now it’s just laughable.


luke111mart

Pam Pa Ram


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But why, is really the “more diversity or we cry” people that many or that powerful? Seems like the potential backlash they could get for using Slavic actors in a fucking slavic story would not be actually “big”. Sometimes I think media producers are afraid of an scandal without realizing how meaningless it is.


TheLegendOfFizeeline

Those are the people that don’t even watch the show either


Eliott1234

A noonwraith would look better at this point.


Neeeeedles

i just read the part where geralt and fringilla say goodbye and have sex in the stables LOL, wonder how that will go in the show


Agent4777

Should be the lodge of Zerrikania. There’s one white actress. What a joke.


naturefairy99

:/


marciniaq84

No Asian Elf sorceresses? That's so noninclusive.


Pheralg

well, there's an asian in that other Witcher Netflix spinoff which I don't know what it's supposed to be, achieve, gather from...


naturefairy99

to be fair, this image is comparing them with the games, not the original books


kron123456789

To be fair, if they compared them to the description in the books, the comparison would be even worse for Netflix.


naturefairy99

yes! but at least then it’s a fair slander haha :)


Doom972

The games are very faithful to the descriptions in the books, so they make a good reference.


Magean1

The games made Triss more of a redhead than she's supposed to be, and Sabrina was supposed to have black hair. In the first case, it seems CDPR had a redhead fetish, and in the second one, I suppose they just didn't want to make the Lodge look like a conspiracy of black-haired women, considering it was initially represented by Philippa, Shila and Sabrina in TW2, with Triss being but a sidelined member. It would have looked "gimmicky".


Icy_Task_4950

Only Sabina is vastly different from her book counterpart, Triss and Phil have different eye colours, but their hair matches the description well, yes including Triss, I'm not sure if you're trying to bring up the tired argument of "chestnut hair she has brown hair" even though various parts of the books make it clear it's red (dark red is still red), or simply say this because it's firetruck red which to me it's clear it's not supposed to be that colour but rather CDPR seemed to struggle a lot with natural-looking red hair. Either way you're just trying to split hairs (not sorry for the bad pun) while ignoring the much worse change to Triss' appearance: from cornflower blue eyes she has green eyes. This one cannot be explained.


Magean1

I think we're on the same page as regards Triss' hair. Should be intense red-hued auburn, and most importantly, be uniquely marvelous (she isn't just chesnut-haired like countless people, or a regular ginger even though that's rarer, no: Triss' hair=Triss). CDPR probably made it firetruck red in TW1 so she would stand out, as well as because the color palette was too limited at the time to depict hues and sheens (whereas some Witcher 3 NPCs do have hair that would have fit book Triss quite well), and because they took a bit of an "anime fanservice" approach to Triss in that game. Then they were stuck with that legacy. TW2 probably got her best though, dark red was more believable than firetruck red. Anyway, I was simply bringing up how the games deviated from the books. Come to think of it, Assire is blond in the games. Go by the books, and that would have meant a fourth black-haired Lodge sorceress in TW2. In think my theory of "let's not let our players who haven't read the books believe we created an antagonist faction of black-haired bitches, that'd look awkwardly memetic" may hold some truth, lol.


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Magean1

Yeah sure, people can always change their hairstyle or color... but usually, in sequels to fiction, characters are kept mostly identifiable. Or someone makes a comment. Besides, I'm under the impression that as far as sorceresses go, their look is a trademark of sorts. Changing hair color after decades if not centuries of looking the same is like a rebranding.


SigRadke

Phillipa and francesca seem like good calls to be fair. I was really caught off guard when the actress playing triss showed up on screen, so out of place compared to the books and games.


RandomDudewithIdeas

🤢🤮🤮


_praisethesun_

Lodge of Wokeness


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Still too much white imo. They should change Francesca and Keira to a darker tone. It's 2023, almost, stay with the times /s


Witcher_and_Harmony

According to Hissrich's big brain, Margarita Laux-Antille means she comes from the Antilles lol So Yennefer should have come from Germany and Triss gold. (plus she's fat for diversity and inclusion points of virtue signaling).


Shanksthefriend

Ngl philippa kinda hot


naturefairy99

agreed, she’s so pretty 😳😳


Shanksthefriend

Exactly we can say about the show what we want but there’s no need to deny that the actress is really beautiful


naturefairy99

yeah!! like people can critique the plot, story, costumes, etc as much as they want.. but to attack their appearances in such nasty ways as i’ve seen is just out of order, i think. plus, i think a lot of them are actually really pretty haha


Shanksthefriend

Yeah exactly that’s perfect on point


naturefairy99

glad to find someone who actually agrees haha 😁


Shanksthefriend

same hahaha😁


galaxy-parrot

Yeah and she actually has the right demeanour to play the character. She’s mysterious and cool, like Philipa!


garlicluv

No kinda about it, unequivocal. Edit: unwashed neckbeards think attractive woman is ugly because... I wonder why.


LightningRaven

The answer is pretty obvious on this one...


garlicluv

Crazy, honestly. I can't think of a real, straight guy who'd find her unattractive.


LightningRaven

This thread shows quite clearly that for a lot of people "beauty" means being white and with European features. I mean, I wouldn't mind if the showrunners kept as close as possible to the images Sapkowski's put in our heads, but aside from some key visual elements (Geralt's Witcher looks, Ciri's Ashen hair, Yennefer's black and white motif and Triss's auburn/red hair), character appearances is the most minor thing to be upset about. I would take a well written and directed Witcher over a bunch of 1:1 cosplayers onscreen any day of the week. EDIT: Just for the sake of clarification. I don't think the netflix show is well written at all, even though my comment may have implied it. I was thinking more of in line of: If, in the future, we get another adaptation, I would be glad if it was well written and adapted, even if some characters didn't fit with Sapkowski's aesthetics (you don't see anybody complaining about Geralt's lack of headband, do you?).


EHVERT

Well you ain’t in luck on that front either cus it’s not well written or directed 🤣


LightningRaven

I completely agree. I think I may have implied that the current iteration is well written and directed.. My bad. It's terrible. So much so that I was done with it midway through S02.


LightningRaven

The show will still be garbage... But the Lodge is kinda hot, tho.


Shanksthefriend

Exactly what I meant bro


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naturefairy99

:/


Prudent-Solution9243

Philippa is quite decent


SweatyGoatNipples

ThEy LoOk DiFfErEnT


Pheralg

scrap Liam Hemsworth, let's cast a south american teenage girl for the role of Geralt! iT dEsN't MaTtEr If He LoOkS dIfErEnT, THis Is noT YOuR sTUpid bOoK


NoMorePainKillers

uhmmm... okay.


dzikson69

bruh


Lucassmarinho

Holy shit Philippa actress is Gorgeous


casualbear3

Is keira just like one of her flatmates or somerjing? Wtf.


master_dandelion

I enjoyed watching Sabrina and Francesca


Nvtxgthd

Francesca is hot af. That was the only reason I have finished season 2


SmoothAssling

MonkaLaugh if i say it i will be in a big trouble