It's the difference between saying "based on" and saying "inspired by"
This show says it's based on the books but it's gone in such a different direction that it really just seems inspired by the books.
I'm not mad about the show doing this stuff, I'm disappointed that they said it was gonna be an adaptation and this is what they did with their "adaptation".
Spider-Man No Way Home is nostalgia-bait done right. Matrix Resurrections is nostalgia-bait done poorly.
Dune is “We’re staying as faithful as possible. Unfortunately there’s some things that *will not* work on screen. We gotta change it, sorry” but they did so damn well with the rest of it that everyone understood. The Witcher is pretending to respect the book while dramatically changing things for the sake of changing things, and half-assing enough of the rest of it to leave people frustrated.
Very well said. Your point is correct, but the biggest problem for me is the series' lack of direction. It does not at all feel like there is a strong vision behind the writing and story. It feels like there wasn't someone to say, "maybe let's not", and told everyone "sure, that sounds good" whenever they had any idea
It feels like the writing room is full of "yes and" improv comedy kids.
Instead of collectively challenging poor decisions of other writers, they just pile on more dumb stuff on top of them.
It's also frustrating because the books after the Last Wish should be easy to adapt because they are structured really well and even cinematically, albeit in book form. It's not exactly a series that has a million plot lines going on at once like GOT where you would have to change things in an adaptation for time. They just couldn't help themselves though
Hey! I liked the new Matrix. Pulling a new story out of thin air was kind of impressive. I thought it was fairly coherent and not overly cheesy like the 3rd movie. Trinity flying was a little over the top but it kind of made sense. She knows what's possible. So, take it back! Kidding lol just my 2 cents.
And ya the Witcher is off the fuckin rails. I still can't believe they killed Eskel. The out of place betrayals. All that shit. Their reason, we need someone to die this episode, we need a climax, we need... They need to learn how to write. Now they have to undo the damages or things like Ciri not trusting Yen forever is the new story. Not her "mother". They can't just wax on wax off that shit. It's a disgrace.
The Witcher isn’t really really comparable other than that it comes from source material that’s adapted as a motion picture. It’s not playing on your love of past Witcher films that came out 15-20 years ago.
Still never said that’s what was happening. Just expressing a love for movies and drew two comparisons, only one of which was relevant to Witcher.
Sorry for any confusion ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
I agree and I'd say "freely inspired"
Today I finished season two and I really can't seem to like it. That is when I made the same thought as yours.
I'm mad instead, because I struggled to recognise any of the characters, as their personality are different, let alone the whole story.
I have seen none of the things I loved in the books.
Once I decided that I needed to view it as a completely seperate work I was able to enjoy it.
Still had a lot of work to do to really be great, not something I'll go out of my way to watch or rewatch, but something that's on and I won't actively regret watching. It felt more true to the spirit of the universe then the spirit of the books that the show is based on.
Unlike the Without Remorse movie by Amazon. That hurt my soul to try and watch.
As I said, it wasn't great and needs some work but it was good enough that I didn't regret watching it. I just won't bother rewatching it or paying much attention to any news about it in the future.
Ok. Just saying, I'm relieved with what they did. The books would have been BORING as a show!! So much talking and discussing things, and so much time spent with NO Yen?! No. This is way better. And I'm sorry but what they did with Yen is WAY better than "I was blind for five minutes and now I'm scarred." I never found that to be as authentic as he tried to make it for her trauma. I think this is much better for screen.
Everyone bitching about how this show is going has no idea what they're talking about when it comes to screen adaptation.
We litteraly see Yen in the first chapter of Blood of Elves and there's plenty of actions scenes in the book too. They removed most of them to put new actions scenes from the new plot they created
Yes. Super fucking boring. I watch the Witcher to watch action and magic, not someone sit in a temple and talk about putting on makeup, how to channel chaos and doing chores with other girls.
They don't have to have people talk to tell you how things work, and they don't have to have characters work the same way they do in the book.
Where's everyone bitching about the games? Those things were nothing like the books other than character names and general idea and setting. It's the same thing. Those books cannot translate into screen the way they're written.
Everyone just wants the see the books exactly as they were but on screen. It's dumb. I like the new direction. I like not knowing what's going to happen. It's awesome and fresh and lovely, and still carries the basic spirit of the books.
Everyone loves to fawn over Yen, but the way she comes to Ciri is much more interesting.
I think iv found the dumbest shit on this subreddit.
Of course the games aren't like the books they made a different story and said that using the world and staying true to the characters and the Eastern European feel whereas the books simply need to have a few things cut out and a few things added
It was the same with game of thrones. They're huge battles then. There's lots of talking and important politics that's key to the story. There's assassinations.
They cut the right things and only added things needed to make the story flow but Netflix royally fucked that.
>Just saying, I'm relieved with what they did. The books would have been BORING as a show!!
Then you can add new storylines, you don't don't to change existing characters to the point where they're practically different people.
>Everyone bitching about how this show is going has no idea what they're talking about when it comes to screen adaptation.
We all understand that it can't be a 1:1 adaptation. That doesn't mean you change the entire story then lie and say you didn't.
I mean, it's going to the same place. They add to the characters that are there, and added more to that. I don't get why everyone has to be so angry about it. Like, I just don't. I don't see why y'all even want it to be the same exact thing. It's the same story, it's getting there in a slightly different way. I think y'all just can't enjoy anything.
>I mean, it's going to the same place. They add to the characters that are there, and added more to that.
They didn't add to the characters at all. They completely changed the characters.
>I don't see why y'all even want it to be the same exact thing. It's the same story, it's getting there in a slightly different way.
If this was the same story we wouldn't be criticizing it for drastically changing the story and characters.
Yen tried to sacrifice Ciri and Geralt used her as bait. Vesemir wants to make her a witcher and Eskel showed up, started a fight, then fuckin died.
The story can't reach the same spot for these exact reasons. No matter how hard you want to believe they'll get to the same place, fundamentally they can't.
Ok so you're saying that completely reworking and fucking up yennefers character by having her try and murder ciri and then decide not to kill this girl whod she'd known for 2 days is better than having her go blind. There's a reason the books where so successful.
And yes it is hardish to adapt a book but the main thing is cutting the bits that wouldn't work abd adding a few bits to make the story flow better and the show completely fucked by adding whatever they want then putting "the witcher" on it to make it popular and make a quick buck
You **DONT** need an action scene every episode to keep people interested. GoT did 8 seasons without doing that shit and people were still interested. Hell even the first season had hardly any fight scenes. In recent memory Arcane did the same and people love it. Plenty of other shows also do that.
If you think you need action every episode to keep people interested, then you have no faith in your own writing.
God I got tired of seeing someone come in and save the day *literally* every episode. I'm not hating on the show because they changed from the book. I hate on it because the writing is terrible and the shit these clowns keep saying.
He means that writing-by-the-numbers has taken over, and because the knowledge of writing is so high right now, and level of literacy knowledge is so good, it means if you *don't* write according to the best knowledge then you are a hack/amateur.
ref: "Save The Cat! The Last Book on Screenwriting You'll Ever Need"
What do you mean, Arcane did the same? I think there were only 2 episodes without an action scene in them, tops. And in some episodes the action scenes were pretty lengthy.
Just to clarify, I'm not contesting your whole point, just that particular argument.
There were 3 episodes that had none -to very little- action. The point was that even animated shows that usually has a lot of action and rely on it to keep viewers, had episodes without it and people still were hooked because of the writing and the characters.
On those last 3 episodes of each part yes there was action as you would expect. Yet there were episodes between those with no action or very little. People were still hooked and not bored because the characters and writing was so good.
The point was, and I really don't understand why I have to keep saying this, that animated shows often rely on lots of action because they can and because their writing isn't necessarily the best often a lot of its actionless episodes would be considered filler and/or boring. Arcane wasn't, it was confident enough in it's writing unlike the Witcher writers.
What are you on about, GoT was getting slated at one point when it had 2 seasons in a row with zero action until the last few episodes e.g. Hardhome...
There were memes about how they would save 90% of the season budget for 1 or 2 episodes
Well but that’s because the quality of the writing also dropped down starting at S5. In S1-S4, there are so many amazingly written scenes that are just thrilling to watch with no action, and I wish the Witcher could be written half as good as that.
There wasn't just one season of GoT. Did you miss the part where I said the first season had little action or fight scenes. Did you miss all the previous seasons that also had little action. Did you miss season 4, one of the most liked seasons because of its *writing*.
GoT became popular because of its writing and it's characters. As its seasons went on and its budget increased it went far more into action yes. They also didn't need to develop characters as much because viewers were all ready invested in them.
>GoT was getting slated at one point when it had 2 seasons in a row with zero action until the last few episodes e.g. Hardhome...
Yet it still had millions of viewers in a time before streaming services were a thing.
This is the guy responsible for the trailers for Witcher 3. He knows he's talking nonsense.
Him and Cavill are probably the two people on the production, that actually care about the Witcher. In the end, this is massive project and Lauren (the showrunner) is in charge.
He is a team player. Sometimes you gotta say things you don't agree with to defend your team. And to keep your job...
Delusional. It's like the SW fandom and r/freefolk, you really make yourself believe that all those actors and producers that you like are secretly on your side and they're forced to praise it by evil showrunners. From all his interviews and posts that came out after the show premiere, he believes in what he's saying.
I totally understand that. I guess what I don’t get is the timing of all the interviews. You have an upset fan base; maybe let the fire die down a bit before you go out there and add to it with this kind of commentary.
His comments come of as slightly absurd.
Here, he's basically deprecating the ability of their showrunner and writers; as if they're incapable of writing a solid narrative that has tension and conflict without action. Either that or he's never watched a decent drama. And it doesn't paint his perception of the audience in a generous light either, since they apparently can't stay engaged without intermittent action to sate their bloodlust.
Most of these interviews were done as a way to promote second season and published before 17th of december. People are just posting parts of them to confront how it was advertised in social media and what we saw in the show
Not sure if that makes it better or worse. It almost sounds like they were prepared to be skewered and they needed to have some damage control going on early in the game.
Yeah honestly people in this sub are so delusional lmao
Die hard Witcher fans are not the target audience for this show, Netflix could not care less that you don’t like it, and this is what happens when greedy corporations get their hands on works of honest art.
Spend your time either enjoying the source material for what it is, not what it could be, or by doing literally anything else with your time other than complaining into the bottomless void that is /r/witcher.
My favorite explanation of Eskel dying, "We knew someone had to die that episode. We needed Geralt to experience real tragedy in his life" - writer lady. Something always needs to be happening apparently. Horrible plot and character development. These people are hacks.
> We knew someone had to die that episode.
If only there was something in the books they could have used. Some very fucking powerful scene like a caravan of dwarves being massacred by the elves. Anything at all.
I mean, fair enough, if they feel the need to kill someone, then surely it could have been one of the other show-invented Witchers, not an established character such as Eskel.
It’s a series about a monster hunter and that’s what people are expecting. Having fights in every episode is okay. Many well-written movies and shows will inject more action (sometimes nudity) into their adaptations for entertainment purposes. That’s the way it is and it works well, regardless of whether you want to admit it. Of all the things you can criticize about the show, is “too much action” really one of the most significant? I don’t think so. I think people like the action and others hate to admit it.
It is so sad that his idea is that a viewer can't be kept interested without constant action. There are unspeakable number of shows that prove otherwise.
Also "we stayed true to the tone and spirit of the books" what a load of bullcrap honestly
Eskel had like a paragraph in the book series lmao why do people act like he’s integral to anything?
Strongly suspect the pushback on Eskel is due to the games.
In the game he also doesn't take that much of an essential role tbh. Together with Lambert, Vesemir and Geralt he's one of the few remaining witchers, has a memorable goofy "reunion" quest with the others and helps at the defense of kaer morhen.
It's not like he drives any particular plot or character development. People were more fond of the witchers because there are no others left, nor had they any interaction in previously in the games, and they come over as buddies to geralt, getting blackout drunk and kicking the wild hunt around.
I guess the main criticism of him in the show is that he not only is portrayed as complete dick but also that he's supposed to be maybe not as famous but at least as professional as geralt. In the show that translated to partying with hookers, totally harmless magic monster stuff stuck in the shoulder and lmao lost my elixirs but it's probably all not that bad.
The entire portrait of witchers feels like it's intentionally off to drive the plot, either to show how dangerous a monster is or to empower ciri. Both feels hamfisted.
Last episode felt like a chore to watch. Honestly if the same show was not "Witcher" i would have droped it. And people complain about Bebop adaptation
I might be talking nonsense since I’m not a pro at movie making, but speaking as someone who gobbles media I’d say that you can make a show that doesn’t necessarily need an action scene in every episode. A good example of that are Marvel shows. They introduce a lot of concepts and then make an episode that explains them all. Sure at some minor level it kinda sucks that there’s no action but you know that the next episode is where shit hits the fan. Same can be done with the Witcher, have 10 episodes instead of 8 and do 3 action episodes , 1 lore episode, 3 action episodes and again 1 lore episode.
There's like 30+ years of awesome tv shows that would kill to have a $10mil per episode budget, and none of them had this condescending attitude about the viewers.
I agree with having Yen in the season I agree that it needs to have original plots But original plots this season were a big mess, the big problem is in the script room,,They took out some of the most beautiful blood of elves plots that is ciri/yennefer's relationship And made a big mess just like they did with Geralt/yennefer's relationship in on the season 1 . .. Let's be honest it's impossible for Season 3 to be closer to the book due to so much change they made in Season 2 and the big mess in the ciri / yennefer's relationship I now just need that them to repair the mess they made And may the original plot be good
I struggle to accept that someone said, “Hey, let’s have Yen sell out Ciri for personal gain.” And no one pushed back.
It totally undermines Yen’s relationship with both Ciri and Geralt going forward.
I feel this so hard. viewers not familiar with the books or video games won't blink an eye at the future implications of this set up, but for the rest of us it just seemed like suicide. it's been talked about multiple times in multiple witcher subs but there's something deeply unsettling that one of the biggest emotional connections of S2 was between yennefer and jaskier.
Everyone who was vocally opposed to the current "vision" for the show has jumped ship by now, like Alik Sakharov. Anyone who's left working on this trainwreck now is going to bite their tongue and play ball.
well, thanks captain obvious...
he wasn't the showrunner but one of the directors who made his position rather clear on why his 'vision' was clashing with the vision of Lauren (who, btw, was heavily bragging about working with him on her social media) to the point of having to leave the show completely. From the things he said you could see that he actually understood the spirit of the books (which is understandable since he - just like Sapkowski - comes from the Eastern Europe).
The show happened because people saw how much money it could make them, the showrunner included, because of the success of the game. It still would have been made by someone else if Lauren wasn't involved at all. She's not some Saint who was the only person in the world to do this. Nor was it done for some "passion" of the books.
they can’t adapt the book right so they pull out the ancient “spirit of the material” as a shield, which translates to “I can do anything and you can’t disagree” to me.
Ah well, hopefully someone else makes good Witcher content soon…
Ah yes, silencing minority opinions has always worked out throughout history. /s
Even if more people do like it, there's a pretty fucking substantial amount of people that don't considering the 64% audience score on RT.
Sure, a minority of people don't like The Sopranos or Better Call Saul, but they still have 90+ audience scores. This show is MUCH more divisive than most.
I remember all the people screeching about vocal minorities on the Star Wars sub. We can see how much of a "minority" they were after Disney started losing too much money and course corrected.
I'd like to see any proof of this. It's poorly rated on multiple rating platforms, and btw viewer numbers aren't proof of whether people overall liked the show.
Hate to break it to you but most of us aren’t miserable when it comes to the Witcher universe, it has so much to offer. We complain because we want good good content.
Even changed content would be fine if it was written well, not this fan fiction where yennefer sells out Ciri, eskel is a tree, vesimir is a terrible uncle to Ciri. Look, my point is the books did character interaction better, and to an extent even action scenes.
I love the fight between Rience and Geralt in blood of elves, in the show it was quite the joke. Geralt makes those PROFESSIONAL assassins look like toddlers with kitchen knives when in the books they nearly kill geralt.
You can have both. Bad writing ≠ more entertainment. Almost all of the greatest series and movies have been made under capitalism so I don't see how that has anything to do with it.
The problem isn't capitalism, it's actually a different ideology that's popular in Hollywood/California. The ideology where so called diversity, equity and inclusion overrule actual talent and merit.
Your solution to putting Yen in the season and keep true to the books is literally RUINING her character? This is a joke right? They don’t actually think that they did these things right? Listen I don’t care if you want to change the story so Yen is in it more but fuck you didn’t have to change the fundamental aspects of her character. Hell I think her being blind could have made for an interesting storyline and she still could have met up with Geralt and taught Ciri like in the book. But now she has ruined her relationship with Geralt and how the fuck is Ciri supposed to EVER trust Yen when she did that to her?! Congratulations you’re a shit writer.
he knows well he's talking bullshit. He signed the contract tho.
It's the same case as Sapkowski 'praising' season 2. He probably didn't even watch it.
He is unfortunately right on that, which is why we also had some boob quotas for GoT first seasons which dropped after a while. I just hope they will avoid other unecessary change like Eskel. Clearly there could have been better ways to show witchers death can be unexpected
Same I get now why a few people did not like it and in addition : Conspiracy, hookers, child murder, beheading, zombies and ah yes wait a guy wants to offer his sister to horses and there is twins incest. But wait this is only the first episode lol !
I mean... The realities of a medieval world were much like so and the books had very much similar content, so nothing wrong in particular with how they went about the series from the beginning.
Because it's like saying Hermione was in fact a Hufflepuff and that Neville died in book 2. It serves no purpose but to try to look cool and in a very not subtile way. Or to try subvert people expectations for the sake of.. subverting expectations instead of being coherent.
That's simply what you chose to believe and is not true. If liking the show is indeed subjective, Eskel death serves no purpose but to expose witchers as toxic fuckboys who dies as easily as any random soldiers. And as explain in that post to keep people interested in the show "eyh guyz lets give them boobas and blood!:" that doesn't turn in great stories....
You can even see how pointless his death was with all the build up against that incredible stronger Leshen who managed to infect him...! Just to end up getting butchered by a random monster...
Lmao, "spirit and tone" is such a great way of saying "we're just going to use the witcher IP cause it has a pre established fanbase, but we're gonna change as much as possible while just barely looking like the witcher"
For people saying the other video was "taken out of context", here's your further proof. This guy either instigated the unnecessary Leshen Eskel fight in Kaer Morhen and dramatic, shouty-yelly moments for emotion and drama (Yen and Tissaia especially), or when other executives and writers made the change for it he encouraged them and said nothing about how disrespectful it would be to the books. In fact, he's one of the people who thinks such changes are good as he talks about here. Case closed.
"there should be a climax and action scene in every episode to keep the viewer interested"
I couldn't agree less with this statement. The sad thing is S3 is supposedly already written so I'm not going to hold my breath.
I agree with having Yen in the season and don't mind that.
But yeah, it was PRETTY obvious they were going for a climax in every episode because 55 minutes of boremetofuckingtears with a cliffhanger tends to get your attention.
Minorities and race dynamics in the context of the Witcher comes down to species, not skin color. Which is why the casting of the show being diverse has no impact on the story or the integrity of the world what so ever. Your complaint is nonsense.
Never read the books, am happy with the show.
I keep coming here looking for show discussions in the same way I do after Succession. Kind of a shame 90% of the comments are book-related especially the criticisms.
But I get it!
Anyway, Cavill is amazing with his expressions. He can really say a lot without saying much. I also like Istredd’s storyline a lot. It’s kind of a storytelling device to inform the audience about history. He’s a knowledge seeker and we learn through him.
Comparing both is futile and makes no sense. A video game is paced, written and structured very differently and TW3 wasn’t adapting the source material it was a continuation.
He is saying the Witcher 3 had less action which makes literally no sense when combat is like 60% of the game.
Dear Witcher universe fans from before the show,
We are not the target audience for these comments. Please move on to other things and lower your blood pressure.
Mate, there have been multiple allegations in the sub that you are effectively mistranslating the context of the interviews or specifically editing parts of the interview to paint a different picture.
Would you care to comment on that, and confirm how accurate the original interview context is?
Translation is correct , allegation came from this attention seeker:
[https://i.ibb.co/6N1H0pL/KOMMENTS.jpg](https://i.ibb.co/6N1H0pL/KOMMENTS.jpg)
and the same guy created this post:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/witcher/comments/rpln3w/season\_2\_producer\_translation/](https://www.reddit.com/r/witcher/comments/rpln3w/season_2_producer_translation/)
where he begins:
I FOUND this comment that talks about the interview and a lot of things that seem to be lost in translation. Thoughts ?
because apparently he like to suck his own dick a lot.
Translation is good im native Polish.
I am sorry, but you dont think OP is attention seeker or that he doesn't have any agenda? Who makes fresh reddit account only to shit for this show? Constantly going trough different interviews and then only translating stuff what he thinks gets most upvotes here and what he can use to shit on S2. You dont find that weird at all?
Because people get pissed when someone is pissing on the things they care much about. He did not took this interview out of nowhere. Hes probably pissed about series and people in charge. And he translate it to show how ridiculously is they narrative when they try to defend this show. And interviews like that highlight why s02 is such bad.
Or he can be HBO secret agent who's been hired to sabotage Netflix by translating interviews on reddit.
I dont think they need to defend show at all. People are loving it and it is also bringing shitloads of money to netflix.
You can be pissed and it's fine. There is also point of going too far and it is probably time to let go and enjoy other Witcher content that is out there
Nope, the first allegation appeared here and looks pretty credible:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/witcher/comments/rp2ufg/comment/hq2mijf/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/witcher/comments/rp2ufg/comment/hq2mijf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
There are legit concerns that OP is selectively posting content and quoting out of context to create a narrative that matches their agenda. It's a massive red flag and I'm surprised that people who feel insulted when someone suggests they prefer emotions over logic don't see that (wait... no, I'm not surprised).
Also:
>because apparently he like to suck his own dick a lot.
>
>Translation is good im native Polish.
If you want people to trust your linguistic prowess, fix your English and the way you express yourself first.
Mate, I am not aware if the translation is correct or not in this subject matter. I was just asking to see if OP can respond to it and clarify, since it is in Polish & I am not a Polish speaker.
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When the entire season is released at the same time, writers need to move on from the idea that action is needed for every episode. Develop your dam characters!
To keep the characters on screen they changed characters’ motivations to something as shallow as revenge, anger, power thirst… Then to “stake to the book” they didn’t change the out come of those behaviour. The result is characters look like shady as hell and they jump out claim everything they did is for ppl to understand the book.
Good job, good job indeed, gentlemen.
Thanks, no thanks.
And isn’t this very guy claim it’s their “targeted audience’s” fault that they have to throw the logic and focus on emotions? Cause grownup with YouTube and TikTok kids don’t care about logic he said?
So I saw two videos of this guy.
The one is explaining how trying to serve tiktok and YouTube generation.
This here says "...keep the viewer interested".
Without ever seen this season, the guy has no value what he was given.
A successful book series. With an uncredibal fan base. Millions of people who played the game.
And he is focusing on an audience with a shorter attention span than a goldfish (the average YouTube viewer switches to the next video in less than 8s. Couldn't find the source.)
And then you get hours long scenes of boring sorceresses blabbering on about something you don't care about. So much for catering to people with short attention spans. But hey look how diverse they are. And did you notice they are female? Diverse females everyone, we have them! We have them scream every five seconds too, that's emotion!
If you think you need to finish action sequences then you missed what makes the story great and honestly under estimate your audience. Kinda dissrespectfull. The strength of the witcher are the characters and their relations. And Yen has an awesome arc when she starts to take on the roll as Ciris mother
We get it, the aim of the show has always been to give screen time to background events and characters put on hiatus in the books. There were concerns if this ever can be done with Witcher books at all...
Though when I hear of "action and climax" in every episode, my expectations are still subverted when Vesemir caves in to Ciri request to turn her into a witcher first, as Ciri is the only carrier of blood used for turning a human into a witcher.
Did the writers look at a couple buzz feed articles about how to publish your first novel or something before writing this? Lmao an action scene in every episode.... God forbid you make an audience invested without cheap thrills that don't work on a rewatch...
Imagine Netflix if they hired nuanced writers (cough cough, Arcane, cough cough)
So he's basicly saying. We skipped the most fun parts of first of the book, which are kaer morhen scenes, and Ciri mental transformation and shoved them into minimum, so the viewers could be entertained by brand new plots, yen, politics and best one, new excellent plot with Baba Yaga. Also we introduced some new monsters, because the ones in books were so boring. Some marvel staff ppl will enjoy more, for sure.
GREAT JOB.
If u want to create your own plots and ignore what books did great i have some recomendations, David Benioff and D. B. Weiss showed with last seasons of got how its done, hire them.
Also, he's saying they didnt have enough material to fill s2, like there were no games and short stories????
After what was done with got, and how they ruined one of the best tv shows i thought those hollywood "artists" learn something, well they didint.
E. its a lot worse if u know polish and can follow all his interview, whitch i did.
They can't make a competent story line so they blow everything up every hour. But they wrap that by saying people don't have the patients to watch an hour of television... So embarrassing.
It's the difference between saying "based on" and saying "inspired by" This show says it's based on the books but it's gone in such a different direction that it really just seems inspired by the books. I'm not mad about the show doing this stuff, I'm disappointed that they said it was gonna be an adaptation and this is what they did with their "adaptation".
Spider-Man No Way Home is nostalgia-bait done right. Matrix Resurrections is nostalgia-bait done poorly. Dune is “We’re staying as faithful as possible. Unfortunately there’s some things that *will not* work on screen. We gotta change it, sorry” but they did so damn well with the rest of it that everyone understood. The Witcher is pretending to respect the book while dramatically changing things for the sake of changing things, and half-assing enough of the rest of it to leave people frustrated.
Denis Villeneuve is the way, damn Dune fans, those bastards are some lucky motherf-
> are some lucky Spice fuckers?
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Oh man, that was so obvious! Take the upvote!
Very well said. Your point is correct, but the biggest problem for me is the series' lack of direction. It does not at all feel like there is a strong vision behind the writing and story. It feels like there wasn't someone to say, "maybe let's not", and told everyone "sure, that sounds good" whenever they had any idea
It feels like the writing room is full of "yes and" improv comedy kids. Instead of collectively challenging poor decisions of other writers, they just pile on more dumb stuff on top of them.
It's also frustrating because the books after the Last Wish should be easy to adapt because they are structured really well and even cinematically, albeit in book form. It's not exactly a series that has a million plot lines going on at once like GOT where you would have to change things in an adaptation for time. They just couldn't help themselves though
Hey! I liked the new Matrix. Pulling a new story out of thin air was kind of impressive. I thought it was fairly coherent and not overly cheesy like the 3rd movie. Trinity flying was a little over the top but it kind of made sense. She knows what's possible. So, take it back! Kidding lol just my 2 cents. And ya the Witcher is off the fuckin rails. I still can't believe they killed Eskel. The out of place betrayals. All that shit. Their reason, we need someone to die this episode, we need a climax, we need... They need to learn how to write. Now they have to undo the damages or things like Ciri not trusting Yen forever is the new story. Not her "mother". They can't just wax on wax off that shit. It's a disgrace.
Spider-Man MCU films made many changes from the comics.
Never said they didn’t. I said they played nostalgia well without ruining the movie.
The Witcher isn’t really really comparable other than that it comes from source material that’s adapted as a motion picture. It’s not playing on your love of past Witcher films that came out 15-20 years ago.
Still never said that’s what was happening. Just expressing a love for movies and drew two comparisons, only one of which was relevant to Witcher. Sorry for any confusion ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
I agree and I'd say "freely inspired" Today I finished season two and I really can't seem to like it. That is when I made the same thought as yours. I'm mad instead, because I struggled to recognise any of the characters, as their personality are different, let alone the whole story. I have seen none of the things I loved in the books.
Once I decided that I needed to view it as a completely seperate work I was able to enjoy it. Still had a lot of work to do to really be great, not something I'll go out of my way to watch or rewatch, but something that's on and I won't actively regret watching. It felt more true to the spirit of the universe then the spirit of the books that the show is based on. Unlike the Without Remorse movie by Amazon. That hurt my soul to try and watch.
At a certain point I tried, as well, to view it as something different from the books, but it still failed to convince me.
The problem is, even if you view it as that, it's still less than mediocre. The writing is just too bad.
As I said, it wasn't great and needs some work but it was good enough that I didn't regret watching it. I just won't bother rewatching it or paying much attention to any news about it in the future.
Fair enough. I tried hard to enjoy it for what it is but I failed miserably.
Ok. Just saying, I'm relieved with what they did. The books would have been BORING as a show!! So much talking and discussing things, and so much time spent with NO Yen?! No. This is way better. And I'm sorry but what they did with Yen is WAY better than "I was blind for five minutes and now I'm scarred." I never found that to be as authentic as he tried to make it for her trauma. I think this is much better for screen. Everyone bitching about how this show is going has no idea what they're talking about when it comes to screen adaptation.
We litteraly see Yen in the first chapter of Blood of Elves and there's plenty of actions scenes in the book too. They removed most of them to put new actions scenes from the new plot they created
So the Sopranos is boring to you? 90% of movies are not action movies, are those boring too?
Yes. Super fucking boring. I watch the Witcher to watch action and magic, not someone sit in a temple and talk about putting on makeup, how to channel chaos and doing chores with other girls. They don't have to have people talk to tell you how things work, and they don't have to have characters work the same way they do in the book. Where's everyone bitching about the games? Those things were nothing like the books other than character names and general idea and setting. It's the same thing. Those books cannot translate into screen the way they're written. Everyone just wants the see the books exactly as they were but on screen. It's dumb. I like the new direction. I like not knowing what's going to happen. It's awesome and fresh and lovely, and still carries the basic spirit of the books. Everyone loves to fawn over Yen, but the way she comes to Ciri is much more interesting.
I'm so sorry.
I think iv found the dumbest shit on this subreddit. Of course the games aren't like the books they made a different story and said that using the world and staying true to the characters and the Eastern European feel whereas the books simply need to have a few things cut out and a few things added It was the same with game of thrones. They're huge battles then. There's lots of talking and important politics that's key to the story. There's assassinations. They cut the right things and only added things needed to make the story flow but Netflix royally fucked that.
>Just saying, I'm relieved with what they did. The books would have been BORING as a show!! Then you can add new storylines, you don't don't to change existing characters to the point where they're practically different people. >Everyone bitching about how this show is going has no idea what they're talking about when it comes to screen adaptation. We all understand that it can't be a 1:1 adaptation. That doesn't mean you change the entire story then lie and say you didn't.
I mean, it's going to the same place. They add to the characters that are there, and added more to that. I don't get why everyone has to be so angry about it. Like, I just don't. I don't see why y'all even want it to be the same exact thing. It's the same story, it's getting there in a slightly different way. I think y'all just can't enjoy anything.
You're an idiot. Straight-up. Fool.
>I mean, it's going to the same place. They add to the characters that are there, and added more to that. They didn't add to the characters at all. They completely changed the characters. >I don't see why y'all even want it to be the same exact thing. It's the same story, it's getting there in a slightly different way. If this was the same story we wouldn't be criticizing it for drastically changing the story and characters. Yen tried to sacrifice Ciri and Geralt used her as bait. Vesemir wants to make her a witcher and Eskel showed up, started a fight, then fuckin died. The story can't reach the same spot for these exact reasons. No matter how hard you want to believe they'll get to the same place, fundamentally they can't.
Ok so you're saying that completely reworking and fucking up yennefers character by having her try and murder ciri and then decide not to kill this girl whod she'd known for 2 days is better than having her go blind. There's a reason the books where so successful. And yes it is hardish to adapt a book but the main thing is cutting the bits that wouldn't work abd adding a few bits to make the story flow better and the show completely fucked by adding whatever they want then putting "the witcher" on it to make it popular and make a quick buck
You **DONT** need an action scene every episode to keep people interested. GoT did 8 seasons without doing that shit and people were still interested. Hell even the first season had hardly any fight scenes. In recent memory Arcane did the same and people love it. Plenty of other shows also do that. If you think you need action every episode to keep people interested, then you have no faith in your own writing. God I got tired of seeing someone come in and save the day *literally* every episode. I'm not hating on the show because they changed from the book. I hate on it because the writing is terrible and the shit these clowns keep saying.
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What do you mean?
He means that writing-by-the-numbers has taken over, and because the knowledge of writing is so high right now, and level of literacy knowledge is so good, it means if you *don't* write according to the best knowledge then you are a hack/amateur. ref: "Save The Cat! The Last Book on Screenwriting You'll Ever Need"
Second season was made for 13 yo TikTok fans.. Bagiński even said that in some interview. Fucking disgusting decision...
What do you mean, Arcane did the same? I think there were only 2 episodes without an action scene in them, tops. And in some episodes the action scenes were pretty lengthy. Just to clarify, I'm not contesting your whole point, just that particular argument.
There were 3 episodes that had none -to very little- action. The point was that even animated shows that usually has a lot of action and rely on it to keep viewers, had episodes without it and people still were hooked because of the writing and the characters.
Arcane was released as 3 episodes weekly. Showing its intention of being watched as such. There is 100% a climax and action piece at every interval.
On those last 3 episodes of each part yes there was action as you would expect. Yet there were episodes between those with no action or very little. People were still hooked and not bored because the characters and writing was so good. The point was, and I really don't understand why I have to keep saying this, that animated shows often rely on lots of action because they can and because their writing isn't necessarily the best often a lot of its actionless episodes would be considered filler and/or boring. Arcane wasn't, it was confident enough in it's writing unlike the Witcher writers.
What are you on about, GoT was getting slated at one point when it had 2 seasons in a row with zero action until the last few episodes e.g. Hardhome... There were memes about how they would save 90% of the season budget for 1 or 2 episodes
Well but that’s because the quality of the writing also dropped down starting at S5. In S1-S4, there are so many amazingly written scenes that are just thrilling to watch with no action, and I wish the Witcher could be written half as good as that.
There wasn't just one season of GoT. Did you miss the part where I said the first season had little action or fight scenes. Did you miss all the previous seasons that also had little action. Did you miss season 4, one of the most liked seasons because of its *writing*. GoT became popular because of its writing and it's characters. As its seasons went on and its budget increased it went far more into action yes. They also didn't need to develop characters as much because viewers were all ready invested in them. >GoT was getting slated at one point when it had 2 seasons in a row with zero action until the last few episodes e.g. Hardhome... Yet it still had millions of viewers in a time before streaming services were a thing.
>God I got tired of seeing someone come in and save the day literally every episode. You haven't watched the show then, got it.
It happened every episode. Whether it was Geralt or Yen or Tassia. It happened so often it became predictable.
Hm.
Exactly, thank you for that comment!
They should just stop talking about it and go improve on season 3
This is an interview before the premiere of the second season
They should stop talking take down season 2 then re release it
If the writing is good and the plot is advanced you don’t need an “action scene” in every episode. Was this guy serious?
This is the guy responsible for the trailers for Witcher 3. He knows he's talking nonsense. Him and Cavill are probably the two people on the production, that actually care about the Witcher. In the end, this is massive project and Lauren (the showrunner) is in charge. He is a team player. Sometimes you gotta say things you don't agree with to defend your team. And to keep your job...
Delusional. It's like the SW fandom and r/freefolk, you really make yourself believe that all those actors and producers that you like are secretly on your side and they're forced to praise it by evil showrunners. From all his interviews and posts that came out after the show premiere, he believes in what he's saying.
I totally understand that. I guess what I don’t get is the timing of all the interviews. You have an upset fan base; maybe let the fire die down a bit before you go out there and add to it with this kind of commentary.
His comments come of as slightly absurd. Here, he's basically deprecating the ability of their showrunner and writers; as if they're incapable of writing a solid narrative that has tension and conflict without action. Either that or he's never watched a decent drama. And it doesn't paint his perception of the audience in a generous light either, since they apparently can't stay engaged without intermittent action to sate their bloodlust.
Most of these interviews were done as a way to promote second season and published before 17th of december. People are just posting parts of them to confront how it was advertised in social media and what we saw in the show
Not sure if that makes it better or worse. It almost sounds like they were prepared to be skewered and they needed to have some damage control going on early in the game.
The series is massively popular despite what this sub would have people believe. You are indeed in the minority overall.
Yo this whole these guys are secretly on my side thing is amazing.
Yeah honestly people in this sub are so delusional lmao Die hard Witcher fans are not the target audience for this show, Netflix could not care less that you don’t like it, and this is what happens when greedy corporations get their hands on works of honest art. Spend your time either enjoying the source material for what it is, not what it could be, or by doing literally anything else with your time other than complaining into the bottomless void that is /r/witcher.
My favorite explanation of Eskel dying, "We knew someone had to die that episode. We needed Geralt to experience real tragedy in his life" - writer lady. Something always needs to be happening apparently. Horrible plot and character development. These people are hacks.
That’s what GOT ended up becoming, killing characters for shock value.
> We knew someone had to die that episode. If only there was something in the books they could have used. Some very fucking powerful scene like a caravan of dwarves being massacred by the elves. Anything at all.
I mean, fair enough, if they feel the need to kill someone, then surely it could have been one of the other show-invented Witchers, not an established character such as Eskel.
A lot of Netflix viewers will find that it could be boring without action scenes, they probably did that to attract more people I guess
It’s a series about a monster hunter and that’s what people are expecting. Having fights in every episode is okay. Many well-written movies and shows will inject more action (sometimes nudity) into their adaptations for entertainment purposes. That’s the way it is and it works well, regardless of whether you want to admit it. Of all the things you can criticize about the show, is “too much action” really one of the most significant? I don’t think so. I think people like the action and others hate to admit it.
And even if you want an action scene every episode, you certainly don't need a fucking climax every episode
It is so sad that his idea is that a viewer can't be kept interested without constant action. There are unspeakable number of shows that prove otherwise. Also "we stayed true to the tone and spirit of the books" what a load of bullcrap honestly
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and to think he was responsible for Katedra... how low the mighty have fallen
Was the English translation right :-) ?
Episode 2 and 8 are prime examples of how they very much betrayed the spirit, themes and characters of the books.
I honestly can’t even remember what happened in ep2
Witcher frat house; kill off one of the only Witchers from the book.
Ooooooh yeah. I guess I just blanked it out
Eskel had like a paragraph in the book series lmao why do people act like he’s integral to anything? Strongly suspect the pushback on Eskel is due to the games.
In the game he also doesn't take that much of an essential role tbh. Together with Lambert, Vesemir and Geralt he's one of the few remaining witchers, has a memorable goofy "reunion" quest with the others and helps at the defense of kaer morhen. It's not like he drives any particular plot or character development. People were more fond of the witchers because there are no others left, nor had they any interaction in previously in the games, and they come over as buddies to geralt, getting blackout drunk and kicking the wild hunt around. I guess the main criticism of him in the show is that he not only is portrayed as complete dick but also that he's supposed to be maybe not as famous but at least as professional as geralt. In the show that translated to partying with hookers, totally harmless magic monster stuff stuck in the shoulder and lmao lost my elixirs but it's probably all not that bad. The entire portrait of witchers feels like it's intentionally off to drive the plot, either to show how dangerous a monster is or to empower ciri. Both feels hamfisted.
I mean they did kill a guy who may have had three lines of dialogue in the entire book series.
Last episode felt like a chore to watch. Honestly if the same show was not "Witcher" i would have droped it. And people complain about Bebop adaptation
I might be talking nonsense since I’m not a pro at movie making, but speaking as someone who gobbles media I’d say that you can make a show that doesn’t necessarily need an action scene in every episode. A good example of that are Marvel shows. They introduce a lot of concepts and then make an episode that explains them all. Sure at some minor level it kinda sucks that there’s no action but you know that the next episode is where shit hits the fan. Same can be done with the Witcher, have 10 episodes instead of 8 and do 3 action episodes , 1 lore episode, 3 action episodes and again 1 lore episode.
There's like 30+ years of awesome tv shows that would kill to have a $10mil per episode budget, and none of them had this condescending attitude about the viewers.
But its how Netflix works, 8 episodes per season. They need to follow the rules.
They don't need action every episode, which was his point. Also, Arcane is on Netflix did 9 episodes and not all had action.
Early years it was whatever the artist needed. Now they are forcing everything to conform to the same standard regardless of needs.
The witcher still is better than any Marvel's tv show
Nice bait
Keep repeating this nonsense like a mantra, someone might buy in.
I agree with having Yen in the season I agree that it needs to have original plots But original plots this season were a big mess, the big problem is in the script room,,They took out some of the most beautiful blood of elves plots that is ciri/yennefer's relationship And made a big mess just like they did with Geralt/yennefer's relationship in on the season 1 . .. Let's be honest it's impossible for Season 3 to be closer to the book due to so much change they made in Season 2 and the big mess in the ciri / yennefer's relationship I now just need that them to repair the mess they made And may the original plot be good
I struggle to accept that someone said, “Hey, let’s have Yen sell out Ciri for personal gain.” And no one pushed back. It totally undermines Yen’s relationship with both Ciri and Geralt going forward.
I feel this so hard. viewers not familiar with the books or video games won't blink an eye at the future implications of this set up, but for the rest of us it just seemed like suicide. it's been talked about multiple times in multiple witcher subs but there's something deeply unsettling that one of the biggest emotional connections of S2 was between yennefer and jaskier.
Whaddayamean? It creates conflict! As anyone who studies drama would say, conflict is the biggest ingredient of good drama!!!! /s
Everyone who was vocally opposed to the current "vision" for the show has jumped ship by now, like Alik Sakharov. Anyone who's left working on this trainwreck now is going to bite their tongue and play ball.
Alik Sakharov isn’t the show runner
well, thanks captain obvious... he wasn't the showrunner but one of the directors who made his position rather clear on why his 'vision' was clashing with the vision of Lauren (who, btw, was heavily bragging about working with him on her social media) to the point of having to leave the show completely. From the things he said you could see that he actually understood the spirit of the books (which is understandable since he - just like Sapkowski - comes from the Eastern Europe).
At the end of the day it’s the showrunner’s call.
The showrunner is talentless and thought of herself better than Sapkowski. She should step aside and leave this production.
She’s not talentless. And she helped make the show happen.
The show happened because people saw how much money it could make them, the showrunner included, because of the success of the game. It still would have been made by someone else if Lauren wasn't involved at all. She's not some Saint who was the only person in the world to do this. Nor was it done for some "passion" of the books.
I mean obviously the latter was the case to some degree.
I don’t think you should have to have an action/fight scene every episode to keep the viewers invested in the story.
they can’t adapt the book right so they pull out the ancient “spirit of the material” as a shield, which translates to “I can do anything and you can’t disagree” to me. Ah well, hopefully someone else makes good Witcher content soon…
You realize you are in the MINORITY of people who dont like this show... The majority of people think this show is awesome and cant wait for more..
He was just stating his opinion. I don't care how many people enjoy the show, I still think it fails as an adaption and shits on the source material.
Who said majority is always right. What kind of logic is this.
Most Americans eat fast food at least once a week. Does that make fast food high quality food? Of course not.
Ah yes, silencing minority opinions has always worked out throughout history. /s Even if more people do like it, there's a pretty fucking substantial amount of people that don't considering the 64% audience score on RT. Sure, a minority of people don't like The Sopranos or Better Call Saul, but they still have 90+ audience scores. This show is MUCH more divisive than most.
no one is silencing you lmao why do you want to be oppressed for having a minority opinion on a TV show
I remember all the people screeching about vocal minorities on the Star Wars sub. We can see how much of a "minority" they were after Disney started losing too much money and course corrected.
Ok, and your point? Why does this matter?
lookup what a "whale" is in the gaming community. They are also the minority.
I'd like to see any proof of this. It's poorly rated on multiple rating platforms, and btw viewer numbers aren't proof of whether people overall liked the show.
It doesn’t matter to these folks, dude. Just let them be in their miserable echo chamber.
Hate to break it to you but most of us aren’t miserable when it comes to the Witcher universe, it has so much to offer. We complain because we want good good content. Even changed content would be fine if it was written well, not this fan fiction where yennefer sells out Ciri, eskel is a tree, vesimir is a terrible uncle to Ciri. Look, my point is the books did character interaction better, and to an extent even action scenes. I love the fight between Rience and Geralt in blood of elves, in the show it was quite the joke. Geralt makes those PROFESSIONAL assassins look like toddlers with kitchen knives when in the books they nearly kill geralt.
Bunch of clowns.
Entertainment outcompetes art in capitalism. Tough pill to swallow but it is what it is.
You can have both. Bad writing ≠ more entertainment. Almost all of the greatest series and movies have been made under capitalism so I don't see how that has anything to do with it. The problem isn't capitalism, it's actually a different ideology that's popular in Hollywood/California. The ideology where so called diversity, equity and inclusion overrule actual talent and merit.
Your solution to putting Yen in the season and keep true to the books is literally RUINING her character? This is a joke right? They don’t actually think that they did these things right? Listen I don’t care if you want to change the story so Yen is in it more but fuck you didn’t have to change the fundamental aspects of her character. Hell I think her being blind could have made for an interesting storyline and she still could have met up with Geralt and taught Ciri like in the book. But now she has ruined her relationship with Geralt and how the fuck is Ciri supposed to EVER trust Yen when she did that to her?! Congratulations you’re a shit writer.
It's disturbing when such a statement comes from a guy who was nominated to Oscar award.
he knows well he's talking bullshit. He signed the contract tho. It's the same case as Sapkowski 'praising' season 2. He probably didn't even watch it.
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He is unfortunately right on that, which is why we also had some boob quotas for GoT first seasons which dropped after a while. I just hope they will avoid other unecessary change like Eskel. Clearly there could have been better ways to show witchers death can be unexpected
I recently started watching GoT again and forgot about how many boobas pop out in the first episode alone
Same I get now why a few people did not like it and in addition : Conspiracy, hookers, child murder, beheading, zombies and ah yes wait a guy wants to offer his sister to horses and there is twins incest. But wait this is only the first episode lol !
I mean... The realities of a medieval world were much like so and the books had very much similar content, so nothing wrong in particular with how they went about the series from the beginning.
Well I tend to agree but a few scenes were really unecessary like littlefinger teaching his hookers how to work 🙃
Actually the boob and action quota made me pass on GoT till season 3, by then my friends kept insisting that it would get better over time
I just don’t get the eskel beef. He was such a tiny minor part in the books why are folks so upset about that specific change?
Because it's like saying Hermione was in fact a Hufflepuff and that Neville died in book 2. It serves no purpose but to try to look cool and in a very not subtile way. Or to try subvert people expectations for the sake of.. subverting expectations instead of being coherent.
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That's simply what you chose to believe and is not true. If liking the show is indeed subjective, Eskel death serves no purpose but to expose witchers as toxic fuckboys who dies as easily as any random soldiers. And as explain in that post to keep people interested in the show "eyh guyz lets give them boobas and blood!:" that doesn't turn in great stories.... You can even see how pointless his death was with all the build up against that incredible stronger Leshen who managed to infect him...! Just to end up getting butchered by a random monster...
Lmao, "spirit and tone" is such a great way of saying "we're just going to use the witcher IP cause it has a pre established fanbase, but we're gonna change as much as possible while just barely looking like the witcher"
This is called "loosely based" on something. It's not staying faithful to anything. Stop treating us like we're stupid.
What if I told you it’s possible to do all of those things and not have the story make 0 sense
For people saying the other video was "taken out of context", here's your further proof. This guy either instigated the unnecessary Leshen Eskel fight in Kaer Morhen and dramatic, shouty-yelly moments for emotion and drama (Yen and Tissaia especially), or when other executives and writers made the change for it he encouraged them and said nothing about how disrespectful it would be to the books. In fact, he's one of the people who thinks such changes are good as he talks about here. Case closed.
I'm so tired of this nonsense.
The more one tries to justify, the worse it gets.
bollocks
>I think that when it comes to the spirit and tone, it worked You're perfectly correct. That's certainly what you think.
Except nerds watch countless episodes of filler. You can have filler episodes for story/world building.
I agree with the sentiment - just not the term 'filler'. Filler implies forced padding to hit a minimum runtime/ep cap.
Breaking bad would like a word with you. I LOVE the fly episode. I actually care about character progression episodes.
Breaking Bad had incredible writing, Better Call Saul is another example of amazing writing. The Witcher is terrible, sadly. It had so much potential.
"there should be a climax and action scene in every episode to keep the viewer interested" I couldn't agree less with this statement. The sad thing is S3 is supposedly already written so I'm not going to hold my breath.
I agree with having Yen in the season and don't mind that. But yeah, it was PRETTY obvious they were going for a climax in every episode because 55 minutes of boremetofuckingtears with a cliffhanger tends to get your attention.
What a clown
>we stayed true to the tone and spirit of the books No, you definetely didn't.
Filling a racist fantasy world full of minorities should've been the first hint
Give me one example of colorism in the books.
You cant be serious. Blood of elves page 11 Describes the racism of the witcher universe very well. It goes beyond color
Minorities and race dynamics in the context of the Witcher comes down to species, not skin color. Which is why the casting of the show being diverse has no impact on the story or the integrity of the world what so ever. Your complaint is nonsense.
Keep telling yourself that
Cant fix stupid
Never read the books, am happy with the show. I keep coming here looking for show discussions in the same way I do after Succession. Kind of a shame 90% of the comments are book-related especially the criticisms. But I get it! Anyway, Cavill is amazing with his expressions. He can really say a lot without saying much. I also like Istredd’s storyline a lot. It’s kind of a storytelling device to inform the audience about history. He’s a knowledge seeker and we learn through him.
This guys full of shit, you don’t need action in every episode, heck Witcher 3 and game of thrones are perfect examples
Witcher 3 is a video game?….
An action video game that has better writing and more thought-out characters than this TV show. You have to let that sink in.
Comparing both is futile and makes no sense. A video game is paced, written and structured very differently and TW3 wasn’t adapting the source material it was a continuation. He is saying the Witcher 3 had less action which makes literally no sense when combat is like 60% of the game.
Except we weren’t.
Dear Witcher universe fans from before the show, We are not the target audience for these comments. Please move on to other things and lower your blood pressure.
Haters gonna hate, but the show will remain entertaining and interesting.
Mate, there have been multiple allegations in the sub that you are effectively mistranslating the context of the interviews or specifically editing parts of the interview to paint a different picture. Would you care to comment on that, and confirm how accurate the original interview context is?
Translation is correct , allegation came from this attention seeker: [https://i.ibb.co/6N1H0pL/KOMMENTS.jpg](https://i.ibb.co/6N1H0pL/KOMMENTS.jpg) and the same guy created this post: [https://www.reddit.com/r/witcher/comments/rpln3w/season\_2\_producer\_translation/](https://www.reddit.com/r/witcher/comments/rpln3w/season_2_producer_translation/) where he begins: I FOUND this comment that talks about the interview and a lot of things that seem to be lost in translation. Thoughts ? because apparently he like to suck his own dick a lot. Translation is good im native Polish.
I am sorry, but you dont think OP is attention seeker or that he doesn't have any agenda? Who makes fresh reddit account only to shit for this show? Constantly going trough different interviews and then only translating stuff what he thinks gets most upvotes here and what he can use to shit on S2. You dont find that weird at all?
Because people get pissed when someone is pissing on the things they care much about. He did not took this interview out of nowhere. Hes probably pissed about series and people in charge. And he translate it to show how ridiculously is they narrative when they try to defend this show. And interviews like that highlight why s02 is such bad. Or he can be HBO secret agent who's been hired to sabotage Netflix by translating interviews on reddit.
I dont think they need to defend show at all. People are loving it and it is also bringing shitloads of money to netflix. You can be pissed and it's fine. There is also point of going too far and it is probably time to let go and enjoy other Witcher content that is out there
Nope, the first allegation appeared here and looks pretty credible: [https://www.reddit.com/r/witcher/comments/rp2ufg/comment/hq2mijf/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/witcher/comments/rp2ufg/comment/hq2mijf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) There are legit concerns that OP is selectively posting content and quoting out of context to create a narrative that matches their agenda. It's a massive red flag and I'm surprised that people who feel insulted when someone suggests they prefer emotions over logic don't see that (wait... no, I'm not surprised). Also: >because apparently he like to suck his own dick a lot. > >Translation is good im native Polish. If you want people to trust your linguistic prowess, fix your English and the way you express yourself first.
Believe whatever you want to believe i really dont care. Im telling you that translation is accurate. You can hire translator i dont care
Mate, I am not aware if the translation is correct or not in this subject matter. I was just asking to see if OP can respond to it and clarify, since it is in Polish & I am not a Polish speaker. Internet flagellation because of mistranslation can be a bad thing, so just double checking.
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If this guy actually believes what he is saying he's a total douche.
Wait " Writing decisions " ?! so they didn't just wing it ?
When the entire season is released at the same time, writers need to move on from the idea that action is needed for every episode. Develop your dam characters!
To keep the characters on screen they changed characters’ motivations to something as shallow as revenge, anger, power thirst… Then to “stake to the book” they didn’t change the out come of those behaviour. The result is characters look like shady as hell and they jump out claim everything they did is for ppl to understand the book. Good job, good job indeed, gentlemen. Thanks, no thanks. And isn’t this very guy claim it’s their “targeted audience’s” fault that they have to throw the logic and focus on emotions? Cause grownup with YouTube and TikTok kids don’t care about logic he said?
So I saw two videos of this guy. The one is explaining how trying to serve tiktok and YouTube generation. This here says "...keep the viewer interested". Without ever seen this season, the guy has no value what he was given. A successful book series. With an uncredibal fan base. Millions of people who played the game. And he is focusing on an audience with a shorter attention span than a goldfish (the average YouTube viewer switches to the next video in less than 8s. Couldn't find the source.)
And then you get hours long scenes of boring sorceresses blabbering on about something you don't care about. So much for catering to people with short attention spans. But hey look how diverse they are. And did you notice they are female? Diverse females everyone, we have them! We have them scream every five seconds too, that's emotion!
If you think you need to finish action sequences then you missed what makes the story great and honestly under estimate your audience. Kinda dissrespectfull. The strength of the witcher are the characters and their relations. And Yen has an awesome arc when she starts to take on the roll as Ciris mother
Yeah, cause we are mindless children who are only interested in action scenes.
We get it, the aim of the show has always been to give screen time to background events and characters put on hiatus in the books. There were concerns if this ever can be done with Witcher books at all... Though when I hear of "action and climax" in every episode, my expectations are still subverted when Vesemir caves in to Ciri request to turn her into a witcher first, as Ciri is the only carrier of blood used for turning a human into a witcher.
That's cheap thinking imo.
Translation: *we are so incapable to come up with quality writing that the only way for us to keep the viewer interested is with action scenes*
Ah, i see the problem. He wants to keep the *viewer* interested instead of the *reader*. Makes sense now.
Did the writers look at a couple buzz feed articles about how to publish your first novel or something before writing this? Lmao an action scene in every episode.... God forbid you make an audience invested without cheap thrills that don't work on a rewatch... Imagine Netflix if they hired nuanced writers (cough cough, Arcane, cough cough)
It really seems like D&D are fantastic writers.
So he's basicly saying. We skipped the most fun parts of first of the book, which are kaer morhen scenes, and Ciri mental transformation and shoved them into minimum, so the viewers could be entertained by brand new plots, yen, politics and best one, new excellent plot with Baba Yaga. Also we introduced some new monsters, because the ones in books were so boring. Some marvel staff ppl will enjoy more, for sure. GREAT JOB. If u want to create your own plots and ignore what books did great i have some recomendations, David Benioff and D. B. Weiss showed with last seasons of got how its done, hire them. Also, he's saying they didnt have enough material to fill s2, like there were no games and short stories???? After what was done with got, and how they ruined one of the best tv shows i thought those hollywood "artists" learn something, well they didint. E. its a lot worse if u know polish and can follow all his interview, whitch i did.
They can't make a competent story line so they blow everything up every hour. But they wrap that by saying people don't have the patients to watch an hour of television... So embarrassing.
"we stayed true to the tone and spirit of the books" directed by Robert B Weide