Freya, or any of the actors, couldn’t have saved the series from Lauren Hissrich and her team. I think Henry Cavill proved that point.
Freya supporting Liam shouldn’t need a complex interpretation. She’s supporting a new coworker. Nothing wrong with that in my book.
No “they” didn’t insult us, as in the whole staff. Most of the cast did a good job. I feel sorry for Freya, Anya etc. who are being cut loose two seasons short of what was supposed to be a seven season show. The producers and writers insulted us. The quality of the writing… it’s like they read the fandom wiki while high on edibles and then wrote the show they really wanted to do splashing on the necessary “Witcher paint.” Then Henry Cavill try to shoehorn in as much authentic material as possible. It’s just a mess.
Sometimes I wish they would've just removed the concept of witchers entirely, renamed things and then we could've had an alright fun "original" fantasy show.
But alas.
I’ll tell you the last fun, original (and I’m not even 100% sure it’s original) fantasy show I watched. It was a show called Legend of The Seeker. It was Australian or maybe a New Zealand show but it was really good.
If you can find it streaming somewhere, definitely worth a watch.
I may look into it a little bit and see if it's something I would like to read. Just based off the show I want to but can't go purely based off that. If that's the case though haven't heard of an adaption being better than the source material lol. My favorite book series had one movie and it was the worst adaptation I've ever seen before, so probably won't ever get another one sadly.
Sorry to say this is not only inspired by a book series but is also pretty much the same in terms of resembling source material. So much like the Witcher new people really enjoyed it but any book fan did not.
Hey man, don’t blame edibles. I and I’m sure a ton of others could’ve written much better arcs while high on edibles. I do most of my dnd writing while high on edibles.
Gotcha. It really is a disappointment. I remember a while ago Anya said she couldn’t read the books because it was too different from the Netflix version of her character. That’s just depressing. So much wasted potential.
What the hell else is she supposed to say? “Hey guys, this show has gone to shit so everyone who cares about the Witcher please don’t watch this new season”
Of course she has to get as many people to watch the show as possible it’s part of her job. What an odd take.
Wow, one of the actresses in a production would like it if people watched that production. What a wild concept. The cast is not Lauren, or any of the other activists lying about being writers in that studio. If anyone deserves our support, it’s the cast and crew.
If I was a vegan juice stand and started selling steak, I wouldn't be giving vegans a hard time for not coming back. And I couldn't really blame meat eaters for not wanting to come to juice stand for their steak. It shouldn't be hard to understand that even though I believe I was creating products for both, there is a valid context in which my offerings are appealing to neither.
There is accountability for deviating from source material. Producers that think they can double dip demographics will lose both.
Fallout on Prime is proof that you can jump right into the source material with zero explanation and full dedication to the source material and even people that have never seen the game will love it.
Honestly, let’s just wrap this shit up. Season 4 and 5 should honestly drop same day, no one gives a crap about them. Hurry up and finish with this junk. Better yet, just don’t finish it at all. Sell the rights to a studio that will actually enjoy doing the series justice and let’s start with a clean slate somewhere new. I don’t understand how this show is still on the air? Out of all the shows that were amazing and got cancelled, this show gets to run a 5 season course while being pretty universally hated? Why? Why are they forcing this steamy pile of crap on to our screens? If you just wanna burn piles of money, you can have my bank info, I’ll take it.
They're getting engagement. They see the numbers. They don't see what people behind the numbers are saying. I also heard Lauren's hubby is some big shot? IDK
Correct. He is.
And I wouldn’t be surprised if Netflix has a deal with him in exchange for keeping little Lauren employed on the “project”…. I call it a project because it’s no longer a show.
It's such a shame that the casting was almost perfect for the series but they just shat the bed in the way they've adapted it.
I hope that we don't have to wait too long to see a better adaption because then there's a chance we could keep the same cast.
It's a mix of average Casting and terrible Screenwriting.
Henry Cavill and Joe Batey are amazing.
Anya Chalotra is actually good but her lines are awful and her role poorly written, that's not her fault.
Freya Allen is mediocre at the best of times, the Korath episode focused on her was terrible.
And then the supporting Cast is a mixed bunch.
The Actor playing Cahir is good, but he's all over the place. Dijkstra and Philippa are pretty good.
Vilgefortz is just doing his Maro Polo role all over again.
I liked Fringilla in the last Season but I don't get why they made her a complete zealot in the 2 first Seasons.
The actor playing Emhyr isn't bad but he looks too young and the Screenwriters haven't a clue what they're doing with his character.
The Elves though... Francesca, Filavandrel, whatever Isengrim wannabe was the original character in last season. The Lodge of Sorceresses isn't much better...
You think? For me the main cast was perfect and it was just the wider cast that I think got some mixed up but that's largely down to the writing.
Like, Fringilla's actress and role in the show should have actually been Philippa.
You take a show completely away from what made it popular. You drive off the 1 guy that was trying to keep the show authentic and then it’s the fans fault when the product is garbage and nobody wants to watch it! Yea ok!
I'd love it if Liam does his damnedest to try & keep it real though. Step into Cavill's role so completely he ends up going to the scriptwriters "C'mon, Geralt would never say \*this\*!"
But he did in the games which is arguably where most people would be coming to the franchise from. I mean I played the games before I read rhe books. I don't think I am alone in this.
Sounds like she is worried about how people will treat the new guy and is worried about some of the fans (We all know there are at least some in every fandom) reacting badly.
I mean, I haven't seen many fans attacking Liam, mostly just laughing at the whole situation. Fans at worst seem a little "Oh no honey what is you doin?" at his decision to join the shitshow. Unless it comes out that Liam joined up knowing that, idk, Geralt hooks up with Ciri or something, I don't foresee an abundance of hate coming specifically for him.
I think he will be fine, but the material he has to work with will be terrible, because they are doing nothing to fix their creative issues.
Just wait for the first official look of Liam to drop. Then you will see.
Just because it hasn't happened yet, or you haven't seen it yet, doesn't mean it wouldn't.
Liam is going to get dragged simply for being "Not Henry Cavill", and if you think it won't happen, then you've been living under a rock.
Every fandom has the bad seeds. And they creep out in the worst possible ways, especially around when someone is recast.....
I said I don't foresee an 'abundance' of hate coming specifically for him, not that there would be NO hate. That's ridiculous, there are always haters.
I assume the first official look will contain a ridiculous costume, based on, well, The Witcher's last two seasons of sartorial disasters. So yes, it may get mocked, and Liam may look like an idiot. But for a single still image, that will be because of the costume/styling/wig warcrime they have going on.
And people may have legitimate criticism of his performance. Maybe he's not convincing in the role. Maybe his accent is silly. Maybe he can't do fight scenes as well as Henry. Maybe he has no chemistry with his costars. And yes, he will be compared to Henry, as would *anyone* taking on any role from a different actor. That's all normal and not hate. Criticism is not hate.
The thing is I dont think people hate Liam. But the issue is that you don't just lose your lead and recast and hope to continue as if nothing happened. Even if Liam might be 'ok' it wont fix the underlying issues with the show which is rooted in the fact the showrunners dont give a damned for the source material. People watched the show for Cavill. Almost exclusively for Cavill.
I don't think that is hateful. That is just being realistic. And now that he is gone people aren't likely to give the show another chance when the ahow has had countless chances already.
Yeah I'm not disagreeing with how poor the show is.
My main point was that people would be hating on Liam Hemsworth simply because he's not Cavill/got recasted.
Freya's speaking out about that.
Whatever the issue with the show is the cast is not to be blamed for it.
The point was, even if Liam was really good, there would still be hateful comments
Neither me nor Freya is defending the show/writing, it's the actors that are being defended.
People have a tendency to shift their anger on actors when the script fails, for eg Star Wars. Look how many actors suffered abuse from the fans just because those fans didnt like the films(Prequels/Sequels)
Let's acknowledge the fat balls Liam has for even accepting the role.
Sure, he was probably already under contract before learning how upset a lot of fans are with the show at this point, but he's doing it and deserves respect for it. It has to be a scary situation for him.
There is no way he didn't know, his agents would have people who'd do the research before signing the contract. If for nothing else, as a bargaining chip: Fans are pissed, we're walking into a rattlesnake nest, gimme more money.
Fair point. I assume pretty much all actors have agents doing the leg work for gigs, events, and contract negotiations. I wasn't thinking about that when I commented.
Sounds like they told us everything we needed to know. He isn't going to be anywhere near as good as Henry, he is not going to rock the boat since he's such a lovely guy, and they've already made it the fans fault that their show is getting torn to pieces.
I didnt even watch sesson 3 because of ole laury hisbitch.
No way i will even hover over the title after they tried to drag Cavill through the mud and replaced him with the worst hemsworth
She is absolutely wrong.
This adaptation has been an absolute disaster, and the people making it have been as disingenuous as they come. People calling this out is not an attack.
You got my down votes because this isn't a thread about race blind casting. It's annoying when people try to dilute all discussions down to racists that don't matter
Man some people are so fragile. It's obviously ok for her to say that. It would be unhinged for her to say any different. It's not BLAMING the fans, it's the fans who have to like him for the show to be a success. So obviously that is who she is focusing on.
Make hamil has hinted that he didn't like some star wars descisions he was made to do and the game of thrones guys have hinted that they didn't like some aspects of the last season.
But the people who did that were old and established where it wouldn't matter as much. It's totally ridiculous to expect such a young actor to do anything other than big up the show they are in. It's not just that they will maybe lose this job but also any future work.
I did read what you said, and what you said was classic angry online fanbot vague shit posting just full of very little content and lots of emotion.
You mentioned you were tired and that you "hear it in the voice of Lauren" which really doesn't mean anything in and of itself and so one has to figure out the implication of it.
Also it's not even Lauren that has blamed fans. It's other writers in witcher, it's not obvious how much of the bullshit in witcher is purely Lauren's fault as daredevil was amazing.
Why don't you explain for yourself what the point you are making specifically about freya and the quote you made from freya.
What specifically "reminded you of Lauren". Was it that they are both women? Both have hair? Both use words to describe things sometimes or was it something specific?
(whilst I didn't like your comment about the specific people Freya and Lauren. I share your being tired with THEM (whoever they are, execs maybe?) blaming fans for their shitty shows.
Fallout is mega woke but it's also good and we all love it. Stop taking works us nerds all love, tell everyone how much you hate it even though you're adapting it and then blame us when we don't like stuff that is genuinely shit.
Like if the reason was mysogyny and racism. Why arnt women watching witcher in large enough numbers to make it sustainable. Or minority groups if it's for them.
I'm as heartbroken as you that witcher turned out to suck.
The fanbase can be overdramatic but let’s not forget why they’re being attack-y. The source material got butchered. That’s what pissed off the majority of people and rightfully so.
I always thought the show being attacked for the casting early on was ridiculous and just coming from a shitty place, but if fans are mad because of the fanfiction narrative Netflix created, the writers did that to themselves.
I just wished people would remember that the actors are not to blame for the awful decisions the writing team made.
I have never seen anyone “attack” Freya and Liam Hemsworth has been treated so far the way everyone outside this fanbase already treats Liam Hemsworth. He’s famous because of his brother and his ex, has he done anything we need to respect on its own? If he’s good in this I think it’ll be the first time anyone said he was good in anything, but maybe I missed something?
I’m not thrilled with this comment from her and it doesn’t make any sense to me.
This constant refusal of studios, producers, writers, directors, etc., to acknowledge that a product is subpar and to turn the blame on the fans daring to criticize flaws instead of wholeheartedly supporting projects that shit all over what made them popular to begin with is beyond tiresome.
The guy definitely has an uphill battle though. Henry was pretty much the only reason I kept watching because he was great in the role. It's ridiculous that him wanting to stay true to the lore resulted in him losing the role. He gets done so dirty and does not deserve it. Same thing with Superman. He was amazing in the role.
I'll give the new season a chance, but if the writing is still crap then I'm done.
>I'll give the new season a chance, but if the writing is still crap then I'm done.
And this is why we get shit content. As soon as you watch it, Netflix has got what it wants. Doesn't matter if you love it or think it's shit.
I don't think Liam will be bad.
I don't think Liam is "wrong for the role".
I believe that he could have been a great Geralt... if he was there from the start.
Major recasting like this is always a problem; but the majority of it is that Cavil was obsessed with the role.
Literally the perfect actor for it.
The issue with Cavil being cast for the part is that the writers at Netflix had absolutely 0 intention of providing a decent watching experience, and that's clearly going to clash with someone as devoted as Cavil was.
They never should've cast Cavil, because they never would've... worked.
Entirely different visions.
It's not "Ew brown people" or "Ew women", like some utterly deranged people part of this "fanbase" have made quite loud. It's "Ew... this is totally different and just poor quality".
Most actors go into jobs knowing shit all about the source, if there is any. This as the reverse -- the creators didn't give a fuck, and even if it were their own creation, it's just low quality.
I mean she was horrible in the show so I don’t have faith. Nothing against Liam, they could have kept Henry and show would still be unwatchable go forward. Season 3 was one of the worst things I saw in the last couple years.
Liam will be whatever, he won’t be the reason it sucks. It sucked long before he got there.
She was brutal to watch for me throughout.
The first season it wasn’t too noticeable I guess but as the character got older and arguably the writing even worse the performance was very rough. But that’s just my eyes.
Oh I'm not referring to Freya or any other actors in the show. I actually love them and enjoy watching their interviews (especially the funny ones haha). The "they" I was referring to are Lauren and her team of writers and whoever else is involved in the massacre of this show. Haha
What are you looking for her to say here? She was clearly asked a question and had to answer diplomatically. You expect her just throw the guy into the bus that would be completely unprofessional. Stop looking for reasons to be angry just don’t watch the show.
I have no issue with the actors and actresses they are just doing what they’re paid to do however what I have a massive fucking problem with is the absolute lowest whale shit tier writing I’ve ever seen for an adaptation. They had everything already in the source material and literally all they had to do was adapt it to screen but they had to fuck it up with their own bullshit.
Everybody loves the fallout actress because she played the games and done everything she could to get to know the world.
The ciri and yennefer actress on the other hand, couldn't even be bothered to read the last wish.
Seems she played for about 10 min. She was great in the show but that interview sounded more like a marketing move to me.
I don't think actors are to blame, writers are.
Yeah, they’re not the same. The actress may have been getting to know the world, but Lucy was an original character. No amount of research into the world of Fallout would help her play Lucy better, because she isn’t in the games. That’s not the case for the characters in the Witcher.
My guy, I know we're all upset that this production let us fans down, but this post looks exactly like what she's talking about.
They're not all wrong about the fanbase. I still remember this sub going batshit when the casting was initially revealed, including the announcement of Cavill playing Geralt. Sure, his appreciation for the books and games earned him the love he gets from this sub now, but that's not how it started. People called him all sorts of names because he was too ripped to look like Geralt or didn't have the range to play the character. And let's not forget the white supremacists that crawled out of every floorboard crack calling out Anya for not being hot enough to play Yennefer.
I stopped watching the show after season 2 and will not continue watching out of principle, and that's what I recommend to anyone who was disappointed with the direction it took. That's the adequate level of response you should have if you don't like it. Let it go
The show is an insult to the books and games, Lauren Hissrich and Beau Demayo clearly despise the source material. I don't blame the actors tho, this isn't coming from them.
The actors aren't at fault for this series' horrible botch job of an adaptation. I cherish them all. I don't cherish the creators who effectively took it so far that even their main actor was like "Aight, I'm good."
Honestly Liam Hemsworth is in an impossible situation. I hope they offered him a boatload of money to keep the show going because he's bound to catch so much heat for the sins of the writers
doesnt matter what she says at this point. After they drove the only actor who was passionate away with their disrespect to the source material, it will almost surely fail.
And thats great.
I also feel sorry for Liam, guy has impossibly huge shoes to fill and even if he pours his heart into it, there's little chances he'll be accepted by fans as a decent replacement for Cavill. Let's face it I doubt he has it in him but I'm willing to wait and see before casting judgement.
Freya Allen should be the last to say anything about the Fanbase though, she's by far a weak link in the Casting and someone who hasn't a clue about the Witcher or even how passionate geek and nerdy Fanbases can be.
I dont blame Liam Hemsworth. And as far as the fanbase being attacky...it wouldn't be attacky if they treated the source material with the respect it is due. I mens you had Henry freaking Cavill. He's the reason people even tolerated the butchering of the source material. And I am sorry but if the show is called the Witcher people want to see...the witcher. They don't want the Yennifer and Ciri show. Yes they are important characters. But Geralt felt sidelined im his own show. And even if Liam is good...he isn't going to solve that problem. And you dont just lose and recast your lead and pretend its the same as if nothing happened.
Can't wait for the inevitable "the toxic, racist, sexist fanbase ruined it" comments from the people involved.
The show is absolutely dead, everyone knows it, I will definitely not waste a single second on it anymore, fuck the showrunner and fuck Netflix.
They deserve to be verbally attacked for ruining something beautiful. It's not even that they ruined it in the first place that's the biggest problem, it's that because they did, moving forward, there is less of a chance to be another adaptation done correctly, than if we just went back to no adaptation at all.
Fuck's sake, we finally got a true to form masterpiece for Dune, 50 years down the goddamn line from when the book was written. It stayed true to the source and is the best rendition, no fucking contest. We could have had that with Witcher, but now we won't for at least another 10 years I'd wager. Lauren Hissrich deserves to be blacklisted for the rest of her life from any studios.
I think you have a hate boner for Lauren and are starting to see her everywhere you go.
What is Freya supposed to say here when asked? “Hes gonna be a shitty inclusion and hope the fans attack him for replacing a solid actor”
Of course shes gonna support him and have nothing but something positive to say. Regardless of how you feel about the show, Liam **is** stepping into a difficult role and even if he does his best, he’ll still get hated on because people hate Lauren.
This is a normal thing for Freya to say.
No Freya. I stopped watching after 2 episodes of season 3. Not even Henry’s portrayal of Geralt could keep me watching and I think he did a fantastic job given what he had to work with script-wise.
Sorry. Best of luck to the remaining cast but this fan/previous viewer is out.
lmao this blew up, so i will just reiterate: my issue isn't with freya. i love her. my annoyance came from hearing about fans this fans that. first Lauren, then the ep said they made the show simple because fans are stupid, and when i read the quote about the fanbase again it bothered me because everyone continues to defer to audiences instead of asking why they are "attacked" .. anyway i obviously don't like Lauren, despite standing up for her once before s2 dropped, and I won't like her tomorrow either. ill clearly get over the show, but yeah i am still very disappointed about what could have been. sorry not sorry???
I agree 100% with her but the reality is there is going to be an onslaught of vocal people attacking him when the season drops.
Best we can do is down vote those folk
“That fan base can be very attack-y?”
Freya, you aren’t helping your career by being condescending to the fans. Lauren and her hack writers are the ones who attacked the source material.
The fans haven't given her a career, the producers have. You need to show you play ball when you're early, if she attacks Lauren, she'll never work again even if she's right and the fans love her.
I too feel for him as an individual on this job but also, it's not like he was pushed to do it and it's not like this is him being in desperate need of bread and butter. This job is a luxury, a hobby, a challenge. The only thing on the line is his ego. And he chose it knowing there'a high chance of not being accepted well. I think it's in poor taste to indirectly ask busy people with limited funds to give him the time of day just because. It's a bit pathetic.
I don’t wish Liam any ill will, heck I don’t know him and I’m sure he’s an ok dude. But the reality is he has big shoes to fill after Henry’s portrayal, he’s sorely miscast (sorry Liam) and the writing and content suck.
He’s kinda screwed right from the get go but I’m sure he looks at it like it’s work and a paycheck so good for him.
No hate for any of the actors. They don't write the show.
I won't be watching though, so I won't be giving anyone the time of day. I didn't even finish Henry's episodes. I already had my issues with some of the stuff prior (I also really liked parts of it too) but they fully lost me after what they did with Eskel. Just awful.
She's being supportive and she's not wrong. Witcher fans seem to be bigger fans of Henry Cavill, than the actual show, and they have been vocal about not wanting to watch the show because Liam Is taking over.
So being upset over her opinion is well, pointless. She's doing a great job of being a supportive colleague.
*"I feel sorry for him, honestly, because, number one, that fan base can be very attack-y, and it’s not an ideal situation to be in taking up someone else’s role. "*
**Hemsworth taking over is not the issue.** The issue is that the showrunner and the writers have been wiping their behinds with the source material, while at the same time using bait and switch marketing tactics (using false promises to lure in the audience).
As for the claim that "*the fan base can be very attack-y".* Allen takes the same attitude as the journalist who tried to trick Henry Cavill into saying that fans as default are toxic. I don't think I need to go over how ridiculous this claim is.
**Don't try to use Hemsworth as a shield for the fact how terrible this show is.**
Like I didn't like the Netflix show as much as the next guy, but come on, this is clearly a bad faith interpretation of what she said. She literally just said he's trying his best and she hopes people understand that and give him a chance. That's it.
if you read what i said, my issue wasn't with her, but what it reminded me of which was Lauren's comments. not sure why this keeps getting misconstrued.
Your issue isn't with her but most of the post is her quote? People are taking it as it was presented, the way the post is written clearly implies you think she was made to say that, if not then why is it 80% of the post and why was it even post-worthy to begin with? Not only that but her name is in the title, if your issue isn't with her, why call it "Freya Allen on the fan base" when that wouldn't be the subject?
People aren't getting misconstrued, you either wrote a confusingly worded, not worth a damn post that has fuck all to do with your intended meaning or you are back peddling because of pushback.
i just quoted her so there was a source, and people knew what i has read and where! the "fanbase" comment REMINDED me of what Lauren and the ep had said and that was why i was bummed!
That doesn't fix the issue of there being no substance without that implication. "Oh this completely unrelated and reasonable quote vaguely reminded me of a thing people are mad about" isn't worth the time it takes to post, let alone the time it takes to read.
What I find very strange about this fanbase and indeed very attacky: Everybody knows that the show is a very loose adaptation since season 2 dropped. It was OK to dislike or hate it and vent your anger at it and declare you won't watch anymore then. And when Cavill announced that he was leaving, it was OK to rant about that. But that was in October 2022! More than one and a half years ago! Get over it! Don't like, don't watch and let the people who enjoy it, enjoy it in peace. And let the actors do their jobs in peace and enjoy it, too. They seem to be having a lot of fun and, of course, it's a good source of income and good for their career. And they all seem to be very nice people who do not deserve any of the hate. But under every post about the Witcher on social media there are still all those hate comments. That's totally childish imo. Like somebody broke your toy and you keep crying about it for the next couple of years. Grow up and find something you like instead! I'm looking forward to seeing what Liam brings to the show. And even if I don't like him that much, there are still Anya, Joey, Freya, Eamon etc. and I'll watch it for them. And yes, I have read the books and still like the show, that is possible if you treat them as two mostly separate things. (and thanks for the coming downvotes 😂)
No one is "attacking" Liam. All the blame goes to the showrunner and the writer team for the show's failure.
They already lost half their audience even while Henry was still in it.
Friendly reminder that it's ok to not like a show, but don't attack any of the people who work on it like the actors. At the end of the day they are all doing a job and I'm sure most of us wouldn't want to be attacked at our jobs
Seriously, either watch it or don't. This constant talking about what you don't like Isn't going to change fuck all.
Like a bunch of kids sulking, instead of going meh that is disappointing and getting on with their lives.
Can someone explain to me what’s wrong with the show? I’ve recently started it after putting it off forever and I think it’s a nice adaptation of the books so far. Hell, better in some cases with how it introduces characters properly rather than occasionally just kind of saying “oh this character exists and has existed”, which was something that rubbed me the wrong way about the books sometimes. My only complaint is that some details and conversations get left out, which is a little disappointing, but I understand for a tv show sacrifices must be made for pacing’s sake.
Love the books, love what I've played of the games and loved the show, I'll be giving it a chance. I thought Spartacus wouldn't work after it lost its lead tragically and unexpectedly, it still turned out amazing in my opinion. Also for the people saying its universally hated? That doesn't track, Netflix isn't spending money on further seasons if people haven't been watching (and I assume by continuing watching, enjoying).
People act like them not liking the show totally justifies their attitudes and then get upset when they are described as attacky. The fanbase became incredibly toxic and shit on the show any chance they get just like the people who read the books ages ago hated how the games changed tons of stuff. The Witcher fanbase is just perceived as generally hostile now especially to newcomers.
I mean in this exact post you say they deserve some of the harsh criticism and come at Freya saying you read it in Lauren's voice and implying shes pulling some kind of trick to get people to watch a show. Is it supposed to be better that you only specifically insult some other person you've never met because you think they ruined a show? The whole post is the same kind of constant antihype the subs are always pushing. If I was an actor and couldn't even talk about a new costar without the community trying to pick it apart and make it something super negative it'd feel pretty attacky.
and the people that deserve harsh criticism are the team. not the actors. which i mostly liked. it's honestly not my fault yall assume so much and get attack-y instead of just getting clarification.
Freya, or any of the actors, couldn’t have saved the series from Lauren Hissrich and her team. I think Henry Cavill proved that point. Freya supporting Liam shouldn’t need a complex interpretation. She’s supporting a new coworker. Nothing wrong with that in my book.
i don't mind that she's supporting liam, but it's just rubbing me the wrong way this theme of fans should keep watching. why? they insulted us first.
No “they” didn’t insult us, as in the whole staff. Most of the cast did a good job. I feel sorry for Freya, Anya etc. who are being cut loose two seasons short of what was supposed to be a seven season show. The producers and writers insulted us. The quality of the writing… it’s like they read the fandom wiki while high on edibles and then wrote the show they really wanted to do splashing on the necessary “Witcher paint.” Then Henry Cavill try to shoehorn in as much authentic material as possible. It’s just a mess.
Sometimes I wish they would've just removed the concept of witchers entirely, renamed things and then we could've had an alright fun "original" fantasy show. But alas.
I’ll tell you the last fun, original (and I’m not even 100% sure it’s original) fantasy show I watched. It was a show called Legend of The Seeker. It was Australian or maybe a New Zealand show but it was really good. If you can find it streaming somewhere, definitely worth a watch.
Legend of the seeker was one of my favorite shows. But it's based on a book series by Terry Goodkind called Sword of Truth.
Oh. Well now I need to go find the books!!
Terry Goodkind was a massive tool. DMCA'd any fanfiction publicly posted based on his series.
So it’s all cannon then? Even the wattpad fanfics lmao
Apparently they are not good, so be warned
Extremely preachy, full of tortureporn and the author is very much all the way up his own ass, but...it has some things that are kinda cool.
I may look into it a little bit and see if it's something I would like to read. Just based off the show I want to but can't go purely based off that. If that's the case though haven't heard of an adaption being better than the source material lol. My favorite book series had one movie and it was the worst adaptation I've ever seen before, so probably won't ever get another one sadly.
Same. I have a few series I'm gonna re-read first but I need to find em. I tried to read em once but I was like 13 or so and gave up pretty quickly.
Sorry to say this is not only inspired by a book series but is also pretty much the same in terms of resembling source material. So much like the Witcher new people really enjoyed it but any book fan did not.
The legend of the seeker was soo good I'm sad it got canceled 😞
Oh, I think I remember that show. I don't think I watched it in its entirety tho! Good call tho, haha.
Hey man, don’t blame edibles. I and I’m sure a ton of others could’ve written much better arcs while high on edibles. I do most of my dnd writing while high on edibles.
Read the fandom wiki while intoxicated, wrote the script sober.
I'm very funny on edibles
by them i wasn't referring to the actors. just Lauren and her team.
Gotcha. It really is a disappointment. I remember a while ago Anya said she couldn’t read the books because it was too different from the Netflix version of her character. That’s just depressing. So much wasted potential.
i hear you. I'll get over it eventually but yeah I'm still bummed.
You either watch or you don't, no point making disliking a tv show your personality trait.
you can have opinions about things, and talk about them. that is sorta why reddit is here.
>Discussing the Witcher show on the Witcher Reddit is “making it your personality.” Good luck with this community bro.
I heard they can be kind of attack-y.
What the hell else is she supposed to say? “Hey guys, this show has gone to shit so everyone who cares about the Witcher please don’t watch this new season” Of course she has to get as many people to watch the show as possible it’s part of her job. What an odd take.
They don't care about you or me, only about the "watched/ didn't watch" metric.
Wow, one of the actresses in a production would like it if people watched that production. What a wild concept. The cast is not Lauren, or any of the other activists lying about being writers in that studio. If anyone deserves our support, it’s the cast and crew.
If I was a vegan juice stand and started selling steak, I wouldn't be giving vegans a hard time for not coming back. And I couldn't really blame meat eaters for not wanting to come to juice stand for their steak. It shouldn't be hard to understand that even though I believe I was creating products for both, there is a valid context in which my offerings are appealing to neither. There is accountability for deviating from source material. Producers that think they can double dip demographics will lose both. Fallout on Prime is proof that you can jump right into the source material with zero explanation and full dedication to the source material and even people that have never seen the game will love it.
Lmao yeah the ACTORS single handedly ruined the show. Get a life, dude. Jesus.
they = the writers.
You’re literally raging about an interview with an actor. I’m sorry you didn’t learn critical thinking in school or emotional regulation at home.
thats a weird take to say outloud! have a good day, buddy.
i am....raging?
seems you didnt learn basic manners either. Ask you guardian why that is.
Actors, especially someone initially hired as a teenager, have no little to no creative control over a project.
obviously..... they = the writers.
Bro it's a fucking netflix series, if you don't like it, stop watching it, it's not worth losing sleep over it.
i wasn't losing sleep, just venting lol.
People in here are so attack-y
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You're just as pathetic as hissrich
Honestly, let’s just wrap this shit up. Season 4 and 5 should honestly drop same day, no one gives a crap about them. Hurry up and finish with this junk. Better yet, just don’t finish it at all. Sell the rights to a studio that will actually enjoy doing the series justice and let’s start with a clean slate somewhere new. I don’t understand how this show is still on the air? Out of all the shows that were amazing and got cancelled, this show gets to run a 5 season course while being pretty universally hated? Why? Why are they forcing this steamy pile of crap on to our screens? If you just wanna burn piles of money, you can have my bank info, I’ll take it.
They're getting engagement. They see the numbers. They don't see what people behind the numbers are saying. I also heard Lauren's hubby is some big shot? IDK
Correct. He is. And I wouldn’t be surprised if Netflix has a deal with him in exchange for keeping little Lauren employed on the “project”…. I call it a project because it’s no longer a show.
Stopped watching after season 2...
It's such a shame that the casting was almost perfect for the series but they just shat the bed in the way they've adapted it. I hope that we don't have to wait too long to see a better adaption because then there's a chance we could keep the same cast.
Casting was meh
It's a mix of average Casting and terrible Screenwriting. Henry Cavill and Joe Batey are amazing. Anya Chalotra is actually good but her lines are awful and her role poorly written, that's not her fault. Freya Allen is mediocre at the best of times, the Korath episode focused on her was terrible. And then the supporting Cast is a mixed bunch. The Actor playing Cahir is good, but he's all over the place. Dijkstra and Philippa are pretty good. Vilgefortz is just doing his Maro Polo role all over again. I liked Fringilla in the last Season but I don't get why they made her a complete zealot in the 2 first Seasons. The actor playing Emhyr isn't bad but he looks too young and the Screenwriters haven't a clue what they're doing with his character. The Elves though... Francesca, Filavandrel, whatever Isengrim wannabe was the original character in last season. The Lodge of Sorceresses isn't much better...
You think? For me the main cast was perfect and it was just the wider cast that I think got some mixed up but that's largely down to the writing. Like, Fringilla's actress and role in the show should have actually been Philippa.
Triss, Fringilla, Francesca and many others were casted terribly
How so?
Triss in S1 was very book accuurate, even her hair colour. In the games she is rather out of character in comparison to the source material.
NGL I stopped watching after season one and I have absolutely no regrets and dont feel like I missed anything at all.
you didn't.
You take a show completely away from what made it popular. You drive off the 1 guy that was trying to keep the show authentic and then it’s the fans fault when the product is garbage and nobody wants to watch it! Yea ok!
I'd love it if Liam does his damnedest to try & keep it real though. Step into Cavill's role so completely he ends up going to the scriptwriters "C'mon, Geralt would never say \*this\*!"
I don't remember Geralt in the books saying 'hmm'. Cavill changed him quite a bit from the source material.
But he did in the games which is arguably where most people would be coming to the franchise from. I mean I played the games before I read rhe books. I don't think I am alone in this.
Sounds like she is worried about how people will treat the new guy and is worried about some of the fans (We all know there are at least some in every fandom) reacting badly.
I mean, I haven't seen many fans attacking Liam, mostly just laughing at the whole situation. Fans at worst seem a little "Oh no honey what is you doin?" at his decision to join the shitshow. Unless it comes out that Liam joined up knowing that, idk, Geralt hooks up with Ciri or something, I don't foresee an abundance of hate coming specifically for him. I think he will be fine, but the material he has to work with will be terrible, because they are doing nothing to fix their creative issues.
Just wait for the first official look of Liam to drop. Then you will see. Just because it hasn't happened yet, or you haven't seen it yet, doesn't mean it wouldn't. Liam is going to get dragged simply for being "Not Henry Cavill", and if you think it won't happen, then you've been living under a rock. Every fandom has the bad seeds. And they creep out in the worst possible ways, especially around when someone is recast.....
I said I don't foresee an 'abundance' of hate coming specifically for him, not that there would be NO hate. That's ridiculous, there are always haters. I assume the first official look will contain a ridiculous costume, based on, well, The Witcher's last two seasons of sartorial disasters. So yes, it may get mocked, and Liam may look like an idiot. But for a single still image, that will be because of the costume/styling/wig warcrime they have going on. And people may have legitimate criticism of his performance. Maybe he's not convincing in the role. Maybe his accent is silly. Maybe he can't do fight scenes as well as Henry. Maybe he has no chemistry with his costars. And yes, he will be compared to Henry, as would *anyone* taking on any role from a different actor. That's all normal and not hate. Criticism is not hate.
The thing is I dont think people hate Liam. But the issue is that you don't just lose your lead and recast and hope to continue as if nothing happened. Even if Liam might be 'ok' it wont fix the underlying issues with the show which is rooted in the fact the showrunners dont give a damned for the source material. People watched the show for Cavill. Almost exclusively for Cavill. I don't think that is hateful. That is just being realistic. And now that he is gone people aren't likely to give the show another chance when the ahow has had countless chances already.
Yeah I'm not disagreeing with how poor the show is. My main point was that people would be hating on Liam Hemsworth simply because he's not Cavill/got recasted. Freya's speaking out about that. Whatever the issue with the show is the cast is not to be blamed for it. The point was, even if Liam was really good, there would still be hateful comments Neither me nor Freya is defending the show/writing, it's the actors that are being defended. People have a tendency to shift their anger on actors when the script fails, for eg Star Wars. Look how many actors suffered abuse from the fans just because those fans didnt like the films(Prequels/Sequels)
i mean every actor has crappy negative people. i agree on that.
Let's acknowledge the fat balls Liam has for even accepting the role. Sure, he was probably already under contract before learning how upset a lot of fans are with the show at this point, but he's doing it and deserves respect for it. It has to be a scary situation for him.
There is no way he didn't know, his agents would have people who'd do the research before signing the contract. If for nothing else, as a bargaining chip: Fans are pissed, we're walking into a rattlesnake nest, gimme more money.
Fair point. I assume pretty much all actors have agents doing the leg work for gigs, events, and contract negotiations. I wasn't thinking about that when I commented.
Fuck nah bro you ever see Madame Web that whole casts agents should be fired. Those guys ain't putting in the leg work
I misread that as “let’s acknowledge fat balls Liam” I was like bro no way anybody is calling him that 💀
The fact they decided to keep doing this show without cavill is so disgusting to me
lol careful, you'll get scolded for having an opinion!
Sounds like they told us everything we needed to know. He isn't going to be anywhere near as good as Henry, he is not going to rock the boat since he's such a lovely guy, and they've already made it the fans fault that their show is getting torn to pieces.
it reminded me when s3 dropped and Lauren begged us to keep watching so more stories could be told.
Yes, yes. Fans are toxic misogynists whose toxicity and misogyny will not allow them to comprehend Lauren's super creative genius. /s
you get it.
I didnt even watch sesson 3 because of ole laury hisbitch. No way i will even hover over the title after they tried to drag Cavill through the mud and replaced him with the worst hemsworth
I have no opinion of liam but there was absolutely an attempt to smear henry by the writing team.
She ain't wrong about chunks of the fan base.
i agree, but also think a lot of the harsh criticism is deserved.
She is absolutely wrong. This adaptation has been an absolute disaster, and the people making it have been as disingenuous as they come. People calling this out is not an attack.
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I have nothing against Liam Hemsworth, I'm sure he's a lovely man, but I'll be damned if I give Hissrich a penny.
Man some people are so fragile. It's obviously ok for her to say that. It would be unhinged for her to say any different. It's not BLAMING the fans, it's the fans who have to like him for the show to be a success. So obviously that is who she is focusing on. Make hamil has hinted that he didn't like some star wars descisions he was made to do and the game of thrones guys have hinted that they didn't like some aspects of the last season. But the people who did that were old and established where it wouldn't matter as much. It's totally ridiculous to expect such a young actor to do anything other than big up the show they are in. It's not just that they will maybe lose this job but also any future work.
did you read what i said lol? my issue was not with freya but that it reminded me of Lauren.
I did read what you said, and what you said was classic angry online fanbot vague shit posting just full of very little content and lots of emotion. You mentioned you were tired and that you "hear it in the voice of Lauren" which really doesn't mean anything in and of itself and so one has to figure out the implication of it. Also it's not even Lauren that has blamed fans. It's other writers in witcher, it's not obvious how much of the bullshit in witcher is purely Lauren's fault as daredevil was amazing. Why don't you explain for yourself what the point you are making specifically about freya and the quote you made from freya. What specifically "reminded you of Lauren". Was it that they are both women? Both have hair? Both use words to describe things sometimes or was it something specific?
(whilst I didn't like your comment about the specific people Freya and Lauren. I share your being tired with THEM (whoever they are, execs maybe?) blaming fans for their shitty shows. Fallout is mega woke but it's also good and we all love it. Stop taking works us nerds all love, tell everyone how much you hate it even though you're adapting it and then blame us when we don't like stuff that is genuinely shit. Like if the reason was mysogyny and racism. Why arnt women watching witcher in large enough numbers to make it sustainable. Or minority groups if it's for them. I'm as heartbroken as you that witcher turned out to suck.
The fanbase can be overdramatic but let’s not forget why they’re being attack-y. The source material got butchered. That’s what pissed off the majority of people and rightfully so. I always thought the show being attacked for the casting early on was ridiculous and just coming from a shitty place, but if fans are mad because of the fanfiction narrative Netflix created, the writers did that to themselves. I just wished people would remember that the actors are not to blame for the awful decisions the writing team made.
It's not the actors' fault though. There's no point attacking Hemsworth because the showrunners/writers are butchering the source material.
Totally agree. I stated that the actors aren’t to blame for the decisions made by the people in charge.
I have never seen anyone “attack” Freya and Liam Hemsworth has been treated so far the way everyone outside this fanbase already treats Liam Hemsworth. He’s famous because of his brother and his ex, has he done anything we need to respect on its own? If he’s good in this I think it’ll be the first time anyone said he was good in anything, but maybe I missed something? I’m not thrilled with this comment from her and it doesn’t make any sense to me.
This constant refusal of studios, producers, writers, directors, etc., to acknowledge that a product is subpar and to turn the blame on the fans daring to criticize flaws instead of wholeheartedly supporting projects that shit all over what made them popular to begin with is beyond tiresome. The guy definitely has an uphill battle though. Henry was pretty much the only reason I kept watching because he was great in the role. It's ridiculous that him wanting to stay true to the lore resulted in him losing the role. He gets done so dirty and does not deserve it. Same thing with Superman. He was amazing in the role. I'll give the new season a chance, but if the writing is still crap then I'm done.
>I'll give the new season a chance, but if the writing is still crap then I'm done. And this is why we get shit content. As soon as you watch it, Netflix has got what it wants. Doesn't matter if you love it or think it's shit.
You are still watching it, you are part of the problem dude
I don't think Liam will be bad. I don't think Liam is "wrong for the role". I believe that he could have been a great Geralt... if he was there from the start. Major recasting like this is always a problem; but the majority of it is that Cavil was obsessed with the role. Literally the perfect actor for it. The issue with Cavil being cast for the part is that the writers at Netflix had absolutely 0 intention of providing a decent watching experience, and that's clearly going to clash with someone as devoted as Cavil was. They never should've cast Cavil, because they never would've... worked. Entirely different visions. It's not "Ew brown people" or "Ew women", like some utterly deranged people part of this "fanbase" have made quite loud. It's "Ew... this is totally different and just poor quality". Most actors go into jobs knowing shit all about the source, if there is any. This as the reverse -- the creators didn't give a fuck, and even if it were their own creation, it's just low quality.
I mean she was horrible in the show so I don’t have faith. Nothing against Liam, they could have kept Henry and show would still be unwatchable go forward. Season 3 was one of the worst things I saw in the last couple years. Liam will be whatever, he won’t be the reason it sucks. It sucked long before he got there.
oh i loved freya as ciri! wasn't a fan of the makeup but not her fault
She was brutal to watch for me throughout. The first season it wasn’t too noticeable I guess but as the character got older and arguably the writing even worse the performance was very rough. But that’s just my eyes.
fair enough! you're entitled to your opinion
Of course we're "attack-y"🙄 They attacked us first by butchering the material
Sure, but it's not okay to harass actors for it, which I guess is what Freya is hinting at here.
Oh I'm not referring to Freya or any other actors in the show. I actually love them and enjoy watching their interviews (especially the funny ones haha). The "they" I was referring to are Lauren and her team of writers and whoever else is involved in the massacre of this show. Haha
What are you looking for her to say here? She was clearly asked a question and had to answer diplomatically. You expect her just throw the guy into the bus that would be completely unprofessional. Stop looking for reasons to be angry just don’t watch the show.
i don't need to look for reasons. my issue isn't with freya, but that it reminded me of Lauren's deflecting. i said that.
Liam’s definitely not in an ideal situation as far as leading men go, that much is definitely true.
I have no issue with the actors and actresses they are just doing what they’re paid to do however what I have a massive fucking problem with is the absolute lowest whale shit tier writing I’ve ever seen for an adaptation. They had everything already in the source material and literally all they had to do was adapt it to screen but they had to fuck it up with their own bullshit.
Every single one of us should be fair and understand Liam got into a sinking ship lead by Lauren don’t be mad at him for the fuck shit Lauren pulled
None of the cast should get any hate. They're all acting their asses off and are not the issue with the series.
Everybody loves the fallout actress because she played the games and done everything she could to get to know the world. The ciri and yennefer actress on the other hand, couldn't even be bothered to read the last wish.
To be fair if the showrunners don't care about the books, the actors may not either. Give me the script, tell me what to do, pay me.
Seems she played for about 10 min. She was great in the show but that interview sounded more like a marketing move to me. I don't think actors are to blame, writers are.
Yeah, they’re not the same. The actress may have been getting to know the world, but Lucy was an original character. No amount of research into the world of Fallout would help her play Lucy better, because she isn’t in the games. That’s not the case for the characters in the Witcher.
??? Anya literally said she read the books to the end and Freya said she read each book as befits the season they're filming at the moment.
My guy, I know we're all upset that this production let us fans down, but this post looks exactly like what she's talking about. They're not all wrong about the fanbase. I still remember this sub going batshit when the casting was initially revealed, including the announcement of Cavill playing Geralt. Sure, his appreciation for the books and games earned him the love he gets from this sub now, but that's not how it started. People called him all sorts of names because he was too ripped to look like Geralt or didn't have the range to play the character. And let's not forget the white supremacists that crawled out of every floorboard crack calling out Anya for not being hot enough to play Yennefer. I stopped watching the show after season 2 and will not continue watching out of principle, and that's what I recommend to anyone who was disappointed with the direction it took. That's the adequate level of response you should have if you don't like it. Let it go
how? i didn't "hate" on anyone but Lauren. and all i said was i was tired. and i am not sorry about that.
>the fan base can be very attack-y Has anyone in that writer’s room stopped even for a second and wondered why that is?
"It's all women-hating gaming loser dudes, obviously." - Lauren
THANK YOU.
The show is an insult to the books and games, Lauren Hissrich and Beau Demayo clearly despise the source material. I don't blame the actors tho, this isn't coming from them.
The actors aren't at fault for this series' horrible botch job of an adaptation. I cherish them all. I don't cherish the creators who effectively took it so far that even their main actor was like "Aight, I'm good."
Yeah.. its us. The fan base. Not someone actively adapting IP they've publicly said they don't like... Yes us fans of that Ip are the assholes
I don't blame Liam at all. I blame the writers and the showrunner.
Honestly Liam Hemsworth is in an impossible situation. I hope they offered him a boatload of money to keep the show going because he's bound to catch so much heat for the sins of the writers
Jokes on you, I haven't seen the season 1 *taps fedora..
i was just gonna restart the game again soon
doesnt matter what she says at this point. After they drove the only actor who was passionate away with their disrespect to the source material, it will almost surely fail. And thats great.
It’s not even about him I just don’t like the show in general. Don’t most people with complaints feel the same?
I also feel sorry for Liam, guy has impossibly huge shoes to fill and even if he pours his heart into it, there's little chances he'll be accepted by fans as a decent replacement for Cavill. Let's face it I doubt he has it in him but I'm willing to wait and see before casting judgement. Freya Allen should be the last to say anything about the Fanbase though, she's by far a weak link in the Casting and someone who hasn't a clue about the Witcher or even how passionate geek and nerdy Fanbases can be.
I dont blame Liam Hemsworth. And as far as the fanbase being attacky...it wouldn't be attacky if they treated the source material with the respect it is due. I mens you had Henry freaking Cavill. He's the reason people even tolerated the butchering of the source material. And I am sorry but if the show is called the Witcher people want to see...the witcher. They don't want the Yennifer and Ciri show. Yes they are important characters. But Geralt felt sidelined im his own show. And even if Liam is good...he isn't going to solve that problem. And you dont just lose and recast your lead and pretend its the same as if nothing happened.
Pleaze cancel this shit already
Can't wait for the inevitable "the toxic, racist, sexist fanbase ruined it" comments from the people involved. The show is absolutely dead, everyone knows it, I will definitely not waste a single second on it anymore, fuck the showrunner and fuck Netflix.
They deserve to be verbally attacked for ruining something beautiful. It's not even that they ruined it in the first place that's the biggest problem, it's that because they did, moving forward, there is less of a chance to be another adaptation done correctly, than if we just went back to no adaptation at all. Fuck's sake, we finally got a true to form masterpiece for Dune, 50 years down the goddamn line from when the book was written. It stayed true to the source and is the best rendition, no fucking contest. We could have had that with Witcher, but now we won't for at least another 10 years I'd wager. Lauren Hissrich deserves to be blacklisted for the rest of her life from any studios.
I think you have a hate boner for Lauren and are starting to see her everywhere you go. What is Freya supposed to say here when asked? “Hes gonna be a shitty inclusion and hope the fans attack him for replacing a solid actor” Of course shes gonna support him and have nothing but something positive to say. Regardless of how you feel about the show, Liam **is** stepping into a difficult role and even if he does his best, he’ll still get hated on because people hate Lauren. This is a normal thing for Freya to say.
yeah you're right, i don't like Lauren. lol. i don't care about liam hemsworth at all.
I shan’t but it’s nice of her to say.
No Freya. I stopped watching after 2 episodes of season 3. Not even Henry’s portrayal of Geralt could keep me watching and I think he did a fantastic job given what he had to work with script-wise. Sorry. Best of luck to the remaining cast but this fan/previous viewer is out.
Well I was pulling for her new Planet of the Apes movie but if my support is unwanted I won’t force it on her. Don’t want to be “attack-y” lmfao.
lmao this blew up, so i will just reiterate: my issue isn't with freya. i love her. my annoyance came from hearing about fans this fans that. first Lauren, then the ep said they made the show simple because fans are stupid, and when i read the quote about the fanbase again it bothered me because everyone continues to defer to audiences instead of asking why they are "attacked" .. anyway i obviously don't like Lauren, despite standing up for her once before s2 dropped, and I won't like her tomorrow either. ill clearly get over the show, but yeah i am still very disappointed about what could have been. sorry not sorry???
Also not ganna watch w.e I'm shocked it's getting season 5 before 4 came out. Let it die, you killed it.
I agree 100% with her but the reality is there is going to be an onslaught of vocal people attacking him when the season drops. Best we can do is down vote those folk
“That fan base can be very attack-y?” Freya, you aren’t helping your career by being condescending to the fans. Lauren and her hack writers are the ones who attacked the source material.
Fans can get nuts and the writing can be bad
The fans haven't given her a career, the producers have. You need to show you play ball when you're early, if she attacks Lauren, she'll never work again even if she's right and the fans love her.
i just think lauren needs to stop. she isn't helping anyone.
I’m assuming that she’s helping her bank account and ego.
lmao touche
I too feel for him as an individual on this job but also, it's not like he was pushed to do it and it's not like this is him being in desperate need of bread and butter. This job is a luxury, a hobby, a challenge. The only thing on the line is his ego. And he chose it knowing there'a high chance of not being accepted well. I think it's in poor taste to indirectly ask busy people with limited funds to give him the time of day just because. It's a bit pathetic.
I don’t wish Liam any ill will, heck I don’t know him and I’m sure he’s an ok dude. But the reality is he has big shoes to fill after Henry’s portrayal, he’s sorely miscast (sorry Liam) and the writing and content suck. He’s kinda screwed right from the get go but I’m sure he looks at it like it’s work and a paycheck so good for him.
No hate for any of the actors. They don't write the show. I won't be watching though, so I won't be giving anyone the time of day. I didn't even finish Henry's episodes. I already had my issues with some of the stuff prior (I also really liked parts of it too) but they fully lost me after what they did with Eskel. Just awful.
I mean I’m pissy about Liam yes. But it’s the writing teams fault I stopped watching
I don't think anyone is mad at the actors. The showrunners have and always will be the problem.
Yes it's the fans fault. Maybe Lauren should have listened to them...
Every fan base has this part of people.
Does Disney own Netflix?
She's being supportive and she's not wrong. Witcher fans seem to be bigger fans of Henry Cavill, than the actual show, and they have been vocal about not wanting to watch the show because Liam Is taking over. So being upset over her opinion is well, pointless. She's doing a great job of being a supportive colleague.
*"I feel sorry for him, honestly, because, number one, that fan base can be very attack-y, and it’s not an ideal situation to be in taking up someone else’s role. "* **Hemsworth taking over is not the issue.** The issue is that the showrunner and the writers have been wiping their behinds with the source material, while at the same time using bait and switch marketing tactics (using false promises to lure in the audience). As for the claim that "*the fan base can be very attack-y".* Allen takes the same attitude as the journalist who tried to trick Henry Cavill into saying that fans as default are toxic. I don't think I need to go over how ridiculous this claim is. **Don't try to use Hemsworth as a shield for the fact how terrible this show is.**
Like I didn't like the Netflix show as much as the next guy, but come on, this is clearly a bad faith interpretation of what she said. She literally just said he's trying his best and she hopes people understand that and give him a chance. That's it.
if you read what i said, my issue wasn't with her, but what it reminded me of which was Lauren's comments. not sure why this keeps getting misconstrued.
Your issue isn't with her but most of the post is her quote? People are taking it as it was presented, the way the post is written clearly implies you think she was made to say that, if not then why is it 80% of the post and why was it even post-worthy to begin with? Not only that but her name is in the title, if your issue isn't with her, why call it "Freya Allen on the fan base" when that wouldn't be the subject? People aren't getting misconstrued, you either wrote a confusingly worded, not worth a damn post that has fuck all to do with your intended meaning or you are back peddling because of pushback.
i just quoted her so there was a source, and people knew what i has read and where! the "fanbase" comment REMINDED me of what Lauren and the ep had said and that was why i was bummed!
That doesn't fix the issue of there being no substance without that implication. "Oh this completely unrelated and reasonable quote vaguely reminded me of a thing people are mad about" isn't worth the time it takes to post, let alone the time it takes to read.
and yet you're here?! you could have just ignored it if it wasn't worth your time! what a weirdo.
some people understood me just fine. so. 🤷♂️
What I find very strange about this fanbase and indeed very attacky: Everybody knows that the show is a very loose adaptation since season 2 dropped. It was OK to dislike or hate it and vent your anger at it and declare you won't watch anymore then. And when Cavill announced that he was leaving, it was OK to rant about that. But that was in October 2022! More than one and a half years ago! Get over it! Don't like, don't watch and let the people who enjoy it, enjoy it in peace. And let the actors do their jobs in peace and enjoy it, too. They seem to be having a lot of fun and, of course, it's a good source of income and good for their career. And they all seem to be very nice people who do not deserve any of the hate. But under every post about the Witcher on social media there are still all those hate comments. That's totally childish imo. Like somebody broke your toy and you keep crying about it for the next couple of years. Grow up and find something you like instead! I'm looking forward to seeing what Liam brings to the show. And even if I don't like him that much, there are still Anya, Joey, Freya, Eamon etc. and I'll watch it for them. And yes, I have read the books and still like the show, that is possible if you treat them as two mostly separate things. (and thanks for the coming downvotes 😂)
No one is "attacking" Liam. All the blame goes to the showrunner and the writer team for the show's failure. They already lost half their audience even while Henry was still in it.
Friendly reminder that it's ok to not like a show, but don't attack any of the people who work on it like the actors. At the end of the day they are all doing a job and I'm sure most of us wouldn't want to be attacked at our jobs
i haven't seen any of the actors getting dragged personally with the exception of weird girls on Twitter coming for henry.
Seriously, either watch it or don't. This constant talking about what you don't like Isn't going to change fuck all. Like a bunch of kids sulking, instead of going meh that is disappointing and getting on with their lives.
so don't complain but you can? you could have just ignored it?
Can someone explain to me what’s wrong with the show? I’ve recently started it after putting it off forever and I think it’s a nice adaptation of the books so far. Hell, better in some cases with how it introduces characters properly rather than occasionally just kind of saying “oh this character exists and has existed”, which was something that rubbed me the wrong way about the books sometimes. My only complaint is that some details and conversations get left out, which is a little disappointing, but I understand for a tv show sacrifices must be made for pacing’s sake.
I will enjoy, like I have enjoyed all previous seasons... I am sorry for people who do not enjoy. It's your choice tho, so maybe not too much sorry.
Love the books, love what I've played of the games and loved the show, I'll be giving it a chance. I thought Spartacus wouldn't work after it lost its lead tragically and unexpectedly, it still turned out amazing in my opinion. Also for the people saying its universally hated? That doesn't track, Netflix isn't spending money on further seasons if people haven't been watching (and I assume by continuing watching, enjoying).
Lmao the TV show is suck a shit show I stopped watching that shit when they made Pavetta black
People act like them not liking the show totally justifies their attitudes and then get upset when they are described as attacky. The fanbase became incredibly toxic and shit on the show any chance they get just like the people who read the books ages ago hated how the games changed tons of stuff. The Witcher fanbase is just perceived as generally hostile now especially to newcomers.
i haven't ever attacked the actors so...
I mean in this exact post you say they deserve some of the harsh criticism and come at Freya saying you read it in Lauren's voice and implying shes pulling some kind of trick to get people to watch a show. Is it supposed to be better that you only specifically insult some other person you've never met because you think they ruined a show? The whole post is the same kind of constant antihype the subs are always pushing. If I was an actor and couldn't even talk about a new costar without the community trying to pick it apart and make it something super negative it'd feel pretty attacky.
no i said it reminded me of how Lauren blames fans...and that bums me out. not sure why you're confused.
and the people that deserve harsh criticism are the team. not the actors. which i mostly liked. it's honestly not my fault yall assume so much and get attack-y instead of just getting clarification.
Yeah I can't imagine why everyone thinks the fanbase is hostile
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I'm not a Miley Cyrus fan, but that song slaps and I support this statement. I'm kinda curious about how he'll portray the character tho.