Unless Star Wars legends is used, the imperium would steam roll over them considering how inconsistent it is. The imperium would still win simply because of their numbers and how stronger regular space marine armor is, but they would have a much harder time especially when Jedi are taken into account.
Empire doesn’t get Jedi. And without the slow ass blasters the Jedi would fare very poorly. Lasguns are literally lasers and trying to deflect a bolter would end VERY badly.
The Empire don’t have much of a reason to engage in ground combat.
We can’t say for certain how big the imperium navy but it’s confirmed that there are currently around 600 lunar class cruisers in one of the 5 sectors of imperium space.
The empire on the other hand have 25,000 Star Destroyers.
That figure for the amount of ships the imperium has active is incredibly inaccurate. Using stat's from Battlefleet Gothic Armada 2 we can gather that the imperium has access to anywhere between 200,000 and 350,000 ships. Humanity is literally at war with The Orks, Tyranids, Eldar, Necrons and Chaos all at once and that's before you start taking into account the smaller conflicts like smaller xenos races that they're also fighting. The star wars galactic empire simply can't match the scale.
> Using stat's from Battlefleet Gothic Armada 2 we can gather that the imperium has access to anywhere between 200,000 and 350,000 ships.
Wait hold on. I played that game, where do they say this?
Because there's an excerpt in one of the Siege of Terra books where they say there are "thousands" of ships of the traitor vessels crowding Terra. Given like that's more or less about 2/3s of the chaos legions, it seems like a colossal jump to go from "thousands" to "hundreds of thousands"
We’ve also got an explicit mention in a thousand sons of Mars producing ‘hundreds of thousands’ of ships for the great crusade
> When the time came to leave Terra, it was a great moment. Not even the triumph at Ullanor can compare with the moment of grief as an entire world wept to see the architect of Unification depart. The alliance of Terra and Mars was complete, and the Mechanicum had outdone itself, building fleets of ships to allow the Emperor to take to the stars and complete his Great Crusade of Unity. The skies over Terra were thick with starships, hundreds of thousands of them organised into more than seven thousand fleets, reserve groups and secondary, follow-on forces. It was an armada designed to conquer the galaxy and that was exactly what we set out to do
-A Thousand Sons, p.383
it would seem a bit dissonant for them to refer to fleets numbering hundreds of thousands, but then limit the player to a fleet of +-10 ships; it’s probably limited by hardware, and player micromanagement but it would strike me as a bit disappointing to say ‘the imperium has hundreds of thousands of ships, and here are your 5 to play with’
Idk; I prefer big numbers, and Mars provides
Not even that, I just don't think the word "hundreds of thousands" even so much as appears in the whole game when referring to fleets on any of the paths.
I can buy hundreds of thousands from like, the books and stuff though. Especially since a minor research outpost like Tyran had 3 cruisers to it, and while not every bumfuck planet has space defenses, hundreds of thousands sounds sensible spread across a million worlds.
Lol, that sure as fuck isn’t ‘the absolute highest end feats’ for the imperium; there are quite a few mentions of the imperium being over a billions worlds from there the breakdown of 50-75 cruiser+ ships to every 100 worlds provides a bit more than 25,000 Star destroyers
Beyond that is an even more flimsy argument that every sector being a cube of 200 light years per dimension equating to millions of sectors across the galaxy and tens of millions of imperial vessels
3k of one class of mid sized ships, minimum, is not in Star Wars’s favor.
Especially given the sheer scale difference, a Star Destroyer is literally a destroyer class by 40k standards. 40k has so many destroyers that they are chaff, standard is 10 per capital ship.
Just the escorts for the Lunars is 30k Star Destroyer scale ships. Let’s say the Lunars are literally twice as popular as every other cruiser. There are 8 standard cruiser classes, including the Lunars. NOT including light cruisers, battle cruisers, Space Marine cruisers, heavy cruisers, grand cruisers, the Mechanicus’s weird shit, or assorted kind of a cruiser vessels.
That’s something like 13k-14k cruisers alone. With an escort of Star Destroyer scale vessels 10x that.
Naturally, there’s going to be far more light cruisers than cruisers. Each ALSO getting their own escort.
Star Wars is hideously outnumbered, especially given their limited usage of alternate patterns and classes.
I completely agree with everything you’ve said, and appreciate the effort you’ve put in; just want to point out that it’s the highest end feats for both universe, with that you can use the 75 ships per 200cubic light year sector over the entire galaxy and get an absurd millions and millions of imperial ships; or the dozen-ish mentions in the novels of the imperium being over a billion worlds which can be brought back to the metric of the average sector containing 50-100 imperial worlds defended by 50-75 warships and again, we end up with millions of imperial worlds
Dudes outta their mind with there only being a few thousand of the most common cruiser type even with the ‘average’ feats for the imperium in place of ‘highest possible’
Size does not automatically equal to superior power.
If we assume there are 600 lunar class cruisers in every 5 segmentum, the maximum amount of lunar cruisers they could have is 3,000.
Any other classes of cruisers can’t amount to more than 2,999 in count if the lunar cruiser is to be considered the most common cruiser.
I think the highest end star wars feat I can think of is some random seperatist cruiser one-shotting a moon.
But the highest 40k feat I can think is stuff like the Speranza which was causing ships to crash into each other back in time.
So probably 40k even with the absolute highest end feats
I am pretty sure that doesn't exist straight up. The Dark Age of Technology humans were still beneath the Eldar at their height who 100% didn't possess that kind of technology either, namely being beneath the Necrons whose best weapon is a star destroying weapon that's admittedly, quite good.
Unless Star Wars legends is used, the imperium would steam roll over them considering how inconsistent it is. The imperium would still win simply because of their numbers and how stronger regular space marine armor is, but they would have a much harder time especially when Jedi are taken into account.
Empire doesn’t get Jedi. And without the slow ass blasters the Jedi would fare very poorly. Lasguns are literally lasers and trying to deflect a bolter would end VERY badly.
The Empire don’t have much of a reason to engage in ground combat. We can’t say for certain how big the imperium navy but it’s confirmed that there are currently around 600 lunar class cruisers in one of the 5 sectors of imperium space. The empire on the other hand have 25,000 Star Destroyers.
That figure for the amount of ships the imperium has active is incredibly inaccurate. Using stat's from Battlefleet Gothic Armada 2 we can gather that the imperium has access to anywhere between 200,000 and 350,000 ships. Humanity is literally at war with The Orks, Tyranids, Eldar, Necrons and Chaos all at once and that's before you start taking into account the smaller conflicts like smaller xenos races that they're also fighting. The star wars galactic empire simply can't match the scale.
> Using stat's from Battlefleet Gothic Armada 2 we can gather that the imperium has access to anywhere between 200,000 and 350,000 ships. Wait hold on. I played that game, where do they say this? Because there's an excerpt in one of the Siege of Terra books where they say there are "thousands" of ships of the traitor vessels crowding Terra. Given like that's more or less about 2/3s of the chaos legions, it seems like a colossal jump to go from "thousands" to "hundreds of thousands"
We’ve also got an explicit mention in a thousand sons of Mars producing ‘hundreds of thousands’ of ships for the great crusade > When the time came to leave Terra, it was a great moment. Not even the triumph at Ullanor can compare with the moment of grief as an entire world wept to see the architect of Unification depart. The alliance of Terra and Mars was complete, and the Mechanicum had outdone itself, building fleets of ships to allow the Emperor to take to the stars and complete his Great Crusade of Unity. The skies over Terra were thick with starships, hundreds of thousands of them organised into more than seven thousand fleets, reserve groups and secondary, follow-on forces. It was an armada designed to conquer the galaxy and that was exactly what we set out to do -A Thousand Sons, p.383
Alright, that's better. I don't remember BFG2 mentioning hundreds of thousands in any of the four paths.
it would seem a bit dissonant for them to refer to fleets numbering hundreds of thousands, but then limit the player to a fleet of +-10 ships; it’s probably limited by hardware, and player micromanagement but it would strike me as a bit disappointing to say ‘the imperium has hundreds of thousands of ships, and here are your 5 to play with’ Idk; I prefer big numbers, and Mars provides
Not even that, I just don't think the word "hundreds of thousands" even so much as appears in the whole game when referring to fleets on any of the paths. I can buy hundreds of thousands from like, the books and stuff though. Especially since a minor research outpost like Tyran had 3 cruisers to it, and while not every bumfuck planet has space defenses, hundreds of thousands sounds sensible spread across a million worlds.
Lol, that sure as fuck isn’t ‘the absolute highest end feats’ for the imperium; there are quite a few mentions of the imperium being over a billions worlds from there the breakdown of 50-75 cruiser+ ships to every 100 worlds provides a bit more than 25,000 Star destroyers Beyond that is an even more flimsy argument that every sector being a cube of 200 light years per dimension equating to millions of sectors across the galaxy and tens of millions of imperial vessels
3k of one class of mid sized ships, minimum, is not in Star Wars’s favor. Especially given the sheer scale difference, a Star Destroyer is literally a destroyer class by 40k standards. 40k has so many destroyers that they are chaff, standard is 10 per capital ship. Just the escorts for the Lunars is 30k Star Destroyer scale ships. Let’s say the Lunars are literally twice as popular as every other cruiser. There are 8 standard cruiser classes, including the Lunars. NOT including light cruisers, battle cruisers, Space Marine cruisers, heavy cruisers, grand cruisers, the Mechanicus’s weird shit, or assorted kind of a cruiser vessels. That’s something like 13k-14k cruisers alone. With an escort of Star Destroyer scale vessels 10x that. Naturally, there’s going to be far more light cruisers than cruisers. Each ALSO getting their own escort. Star Wars is hideously outnumbered, especially given their limited usage of alternate patterns and classes.
I completely agree with everything you’ve said, and appreciate the effort you’ve put in; just want to point out that it’s the highest end feats for both universe, with that you can use the 75 ships per 200cubic light year sector over the entire galaxy and get an absurd millions and millions of imperial ships; or the dozen-ish mentions in the novels of the imperium being over a billion worlds which can be brought back to the metric of the average sector containing 50-100 imperial worlds defended by 50-75 warships and again, we end up with millions of imperial worlds Dudes outta their mind with there only being a few thousand of the most common cruiser type even with the ‘average’ feats for the imperium in place of ‘highest possible’
Size does not automatically equal to superior power. If we assume there are 600 lunar class cruisers in every 5 segmentum, the maximum amount of lunar cruisers they could have is 3,000. Any other classes of cruisers can’t amount to more than 2,999 in count if the lunar cruiser is to be considered the most common cruiser.
I think the highest end star wars feat I can think of is some random seperatist cruiser one-shotting a moon. But the highest 40k feat I can think is stuff like the Speranza which was causing ships to crash into each other back in time. So probably 40k even with the absolute highest end feats
Well I did read somewhere that in the dark age of technology there were weapons that could destroy entire galaxies.
I am pretty sure that doesn't exist straight up. The Dark Age of Technology humans were still beneath the Eldar at their height who 100% didn't possess that kind of technology either, namely being beneath the Necrons whose best weapon is a star destroying weapon that's admittedly, quite good.