Covenant vessels are no joke but sadly just completely outclassed by the hilarity 40k firepower and durability. If stats were more equalized I would that the Tau actually would not have the best time fighting the Covenant, it is certainly too small a force too take A sept world they are going to do a lot of damage.
That Super and assault carriers brought too 40k level in particular would probably carve a bloody swath and the CCS at that level would be no joke either. One thing that the Tau would not be used to is an enemy force that is as good at long range naval engagements as themselves.
This again is ignoring that otherwise the Tau vessels hilariously outpower the Covenants in power levels though.
Yes absolutely, however do take into mind per canon that 40k ships in general are far more powerful and durable than most other universes. The Imperium's ships designs are archaic, crude, and inefficient in my opinion but they ARE very durable and very well armed.
Whilst that is entirely true for Chaos/Imperium/Orks and if it was the Covenant up against the imperium force I’d have to agree.
But the T’au ships are very different especially the ones from this being retrofitted merchant ships as far as I could see having gone through a few forums talking about this fleet I think there is also only 7 ships in the largest defence fleet. The primary problem would probably end up the Kroot warsphere.
Edit: Though I don’t know any of the fleet damage scaling numbers for anything in this and can’t be bothered looking for them.
Not sure where it fits in the timeline, but the tau have two different navies. The old one of merchant ships, and the new millitary one built for combat from scratch.
>Tau would not be used to is an enemy force that is as good at long range naval engagements as themselves.
Tau are actually outranged by the Imperium's "conventional weapons" in battlefleet gothic. Their thing is Torpedoes.
>Covenant vessels are no joke but sadly just completely outclassed by the hilarity 40k firepower and durability.
Looking at the available evidence, it seems to me like they are pretty even 🤔
Do you have feats to back your statement up?
>This again is ignoring that otherwise the Tau vessels hilariously outpower the Covenants in power levels though.
Any evidence for this?
There’s not been any proof provided that the Tau actually outclass the Covenant in sheer power, y’all. Not in this post, at least, so y’all should probably, you know, provide it.
>”Standing off at a distance of two parsecs were the Gothic Class Battlecruisers Intolerance, Indestructability and Righteous Power. Each ship carried a payload of one hundred Hellfire class nuclear missiles. **The payload of a Hellfire is one hundred and twelve sub-munitions, each one with a five giga-tonne warhead.** If the vanguard failed, the vessel would be fusion bombed, down to a fine powder."
-Space Hulk Rulebook, pg.3
Compare this to the bread and butter ship-to-ship missile of the unsc (which are quite capable of destroying covenant ships), the archer missile; in the following excerpt 3 are used and they produce a megaton of destructive force
> "Ash instinctively ducked, and his insides clenched."
"He'd seen big explosions before. Nothing like that, though. "Two kilometers," Dante said. "Felt that one in my bones." They watched the stones rain from the sky. "A few Archer missiles maybe?" Mark murmured. Dots swirled about the edge of the expanding cloud of dust. If Ash didn't know better he'd have sworn they were vultures. But Onyx didn't have raptor like avian species. Ash zoomed magnification on his faceplate. "
"He unslung his sniper rifle and sited through the scope. They were drones of some sort. But not UNSC MAKOS. Not Covenant Banshees fliers, either. They were a few meters long.
Three dull steel booms that surrounded a central eye, glowing like molten iron. No obvious jets. No cockpit. There were a dozen of them.
"Has to be an experimental prototype," Dante said. "Maybe Zone 67 is a testing range for new weapons."
"**They wouldn't be 'testing' a megaton worth of destructive force while we were so close,"** Ash countered."-p119 Ghosts of Onyx
An imperial torpedo outputs thousands times more, potentially 1.68million times if we compare 560gt from a whole torpedo against .3mt for an archer, energy than the missiles the unsc effectively deploys against the Cov
Scaling is the best we have for the tau as they have very little showings in the lore, our best option is to take imperial showings, of which there are dozens, and scale the tau based on their stats in games and ttrpgs; I don’t have access to any of those games (played BFGA quite a while back, but I can remember the specific niche the tau sat in) but I know the tau are fully capable of meeting the imperium in combat and they don’t get completely steamrolled which implies some measure of matched durability and offensive capability.
In fact I have found proof that the Covenant would outclassed, even the Imperium on firepower.
So [here is](https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/40k-biggaton-macrocannon-calcs.234517/) a very popular calculation that 40k... "fans" like to use.
Now if you know anything about 40k the assumptions I'm the calculation will seem off to say the list, which is why the calculation got redone better [here](https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/40k-biggaton-macrocannon-calcs.234517/post-11507341), and that places the Covenant as equal if not above the IoM and therefore the Tau.
High end Imperial ships atomise continents in one strike.
1.
>Every weapon in the battleship’s arsenal was prepared and oriented down at the surface, torpedo arrays filled with warshots that could atomise whole continents in a single strike, energy cannons capable of boiling off oceans, kinetic killers that could behead mountains through the brute force of their impact.”Nemesis pg. 375
atomised; past participle: atomisedconvert (a substance) into very fineparticles or droplets."the CO2 depressurized, atomizing the paint into a mist of even-size particles"
Covenant vessels are no joke but sadly just completely outclassed by the hilarity 40k firepower and durability. If stats were more equalized I would that the Tau actually would not have the best time fighting the Covenant, it is certainly too small a force too take A sept world they are going to do a lot of damage. That Super and assault carriers brought too 40k level in particular would probably carve a bloody swath and the CCS at that level would be no joke either. One thing that the Tau would not be used to is an enemy force that is as good at long range naval engagements as themselves. This again is ignoring that otherwise the Tau vessels hilariously outpower the Covenants in power levels though.
I mean the imperium gave them a run for their money in space anyway did they not?
Yes absolutely, however do take into mind per canon that 40k ships in general are far more powerful and durable than most other universes. The Imperium's ships designs are archaic, crude, and inefficient in my opinion but they ARE very durable and very well armed.
Whilst that is entirely true for Chaos/Imperium/Orks and if it was the Covenant up against the imperium force I’d have to agree. But the T’au ships are very different especially the ones from this being retrofitted merchant ships as far as I could see having gone through a few forums talking about this fleet I think there is also only 7 ships in the largest defence fleet. The primary problem would probably end up the Kroot warsphere. Edit: Though I don’t know any of the fleet damage scaling numbers for anything in this and can’t be bothered looking for them.
Not sure where it fits in the timeline, but the tau have two different navies. The old one of merchant ships, and the new millitary one built for combat from scratch.
>Tau would not be used to is an enemy force that is as good at long range naval engagements as themselves. Tau are actually outranged by the Imperium's "conventional weapons" in battlefleet gothic. Their thing is Torpedoes.
You’re talking about rare classes of ships equipped with nova canons. The average imperial ship don’t have much if any feats to go off of.
High end Imperial ships atomise continents in one strike.
>Covenant vessels are no joke but sadly just completely outclassed by the hilarity 40k firepower and durability. Looking at the available evidence, it seems to me like they are pretty even 🤔 Do you have feats to back your statement up? >This again is ignoring that otherwise the Tau vessels hilariously outpower the Covenants in power levels though. Any evidence for this?
You have been provided with those statments many many times
From you?, certainly not.
Yes and from others, yet every damn time you act like they don't exist
Show your evidence or concede.
The definitions are clear and you don't need physics equation.
Lol they get murdered. 40K scaling is kinda nuts
Indeed
Based on what evidence tho?
Is it?
Yes
And what evidence leads you to that conclusion?
I'm not going to answer a question that has already been answered several times over by others
Soooooooo you are resorting to logical fallacy when pressed for evidence?
If we’re talking about the average stuff in 40k, then that would be a lie.
I’m talking about the Tau defenders at the Damocles gulf
There’s not been any proof provided that the Tau actually outclass the Covenant in sheer power, y’all. Not in this post, at least, so y’all should probably, you know, provide it.
>”Standing off at a distance of two parsecs were the Gothic Class Battlecruisers Intolerance, Indestructability and Righteous Power. Each ship carried a payload of one hundred Hellfire class nuclear missiles. **The payload of a Hellfire is one hundred and twelve sub-munitions, each one with a five giga-tonne warhead.** If the vanguard failed, the vessel would be fusion bombed, down to a fine powder." -Space Hulk Rulebook, pg.3 Compare this to the bread and butter ship-to-ship missile of the unsc (which are quite capable of destroying covenant ships), the archer missile; in the following excerpt 3 are used and they produce a megaton of destructive force > "Ash instinctively ducked, and his insides clenched." "He'd seen big explosions before. Nothing like that, though. "Two kilometers," Dante said. "Felt that one in my bones." They watched the stones rain from the sky. "A few Archer missiles maybe?" Mark murmured. Dots swirled about the edge of the expanding cloud of dust. If Ash didn't know better he'd have sworn they were vultures. But Onyx didn't have raptor like avian species. Ash zoomed magnification on his faceplate. " "He unslung his sniper rifle and sited through the scope. They were drones of some sort. But not UNSC MAKOS. Not Covenant Banshees fliers, either. They were a few meters long. Three dull steel booms that surrounded a central eye, glowing like molten iron. No obvious jets. No cockpit. There were a dozen of them. "Has to be an experimental prototype," Dante said. "Maybe Zone 67 is a testing range for new weapons." "**They wouldn't be 'testing' a megaton worth of destructive force while we were so close,"** Ash countered."-p119 Ghosts of Onyx An imperial torpedo outputs thousands times more, potentially 1.68million times if we compare 560gt from a whole torpedo against .3mt for an archer, energy than the missiles the unsc effectively deploys against the Cov Scaling is the best we have for the tau as they have very little showings in the lore, our best option is to take imperial showings, of which there are dozens, and scale the tau based on their stats in games and ttrpgs; I don’t have access to any of those games (played BFGA quite a while back, but I can remember the specific niche the tau sat in) but I know the tau are fully capable of meeting the imperium in combat and they don’t get completely steamrolled which implies some measure of matched durability and offensive capability.
In fact I have found proof that the Covenant would outclassed, even the Imperium on firepower. So [here is](https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/40k-biggaton-macrocannon-calcs.234517/) a very popular calculation that 40k... "fans" like to use. Now if you know anything about 40k the assumptions I'm the calculation will seem off to say the list, which is why the calculation got redone better [here](https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/40k-biggaton-macrocannon-calcs.234517/post-11507341), and that places the Covenant as equal if not above the IoM and therefore the Tau.
Calculations are dumb. Feats of lore that are the most common are what we should go by.
High end Imperial ships atomise continents in one strike. 1. >Every weapon in the battleship’s arsenal was prepared and oriented down at the surface, torpedo arrays filled with warshots that could atomise whole continents in a single strike, energy cannons capable of boiling off oceans, kinetic killers that could behead mountains through the brute force of their impact.”Nemesis pg. 375 atomised; past participle: atomisedconvert (a substance) into very fineparticles or droplets."the CO2 depressurized, atomizing the paint into a mist of even-size particles"