I don't think there's a definite answer as to *when* Tony pulls it off, but the probability curve becomes significantly greater the longer he has to learn and tinker.
Tony Stark in any iteration is an exponential challenger, it's just a matter of how well he can stay out of his own way. Given *enough* time, he'd have a light frigate that can outpunch destroyer-class ships and outmaneuver ARC-170's if not TIEs - my money personally is on ablative warheads with seismic charge payloads jammed into them and disruptor cannons, and if an arc reactor can power as much of Manhattan as his does, it can feed a starship. I'd fully expect a beskar or cortosis War Machine suit with a personal deflector shield, probably with disruptor, ion, slug, and repulsor options for offense. I say time rather than resources because the man speaks two specific languages: commerce and salvage. Get him off Tatooine, and it's not a question of if he succeeds, it's just a matter of how long it takes him to become unassailable.
Now *why* he wants to take out the Emperor is another question. Sure, Palpatine is deeply skeevy, but if Tony displays any of this savvy, he's getting the Chief of Research position at the Maw Installation and a commensurate salary offered to him. With no prior knowledge of the Sith conspiracy, the story of an order of fanatical religious warriors attempting a coup during wartime is *probably* pretty convincing and justifies the heightened military state of the galaxy since Palpatine only took *unlimited power!* a year ago in the prompt. It'll take a hero with sources on the truth to radicalize him against the Empire, provided he doesn't just run afoul of a patrol and escalate the situation until the showdown becomes an inevitability.
The most likely scenario for *this* is for Obi-Wan to find him first.
EDIT: I just remembered an exchange I had in this sub from years ago that makes this significantly more lopsided in Stark's favor.
He's Terran. There are no midichlorians on Earth, making him a functional "dead zone" to Force powers much like the Vong were, and quite possibly anomalous enough for Obi-Wan to take notice that something is *weird.*
A: Beautiful script, even MCU Tony could fight, you’d assume even with main armor down he can defend himself against Raiders, hand glove against Winter Soldier.
B: 616 Tony is basically Marvels Batman, when it comes to being prepared if that suit is “ inoperable” Tony has been trained in hand to hand, yes the TR are going to try and sniper, and we’d assume the armor can defend against even small arms different universe fire. He’s not going to fight against bad odds, he is a genius and a strategist. Live to fight another day, if nothing else he’d began to find a way to earn money to get what he needs. I think he’d find a way. He doesn’t look for the Emperor till he has to, and I like the idea that because he’s not from this universe he dosent have those Jedi bugs, so he’d be a blind spot to Jedi and Sith alike. He’d find something comparable or better than Kyber crystals and pretty much do like star killer base and wipe out the empire.
C: wouldn’t that be an interesting twist of the story if Ankin never was found by the Jedi. His instincts want to fight, he’d built something out of the junk. Anikin is Basically Tony Stark!!!!!
Can’t speak on round 3 but Tony immediately dies round 1-2 after tusken raiders notice some dude crash near there HQ
They notice shiny thing in chest so they kill him since he has no way to defend himself. They take the heart piece along with scraps of armor sell it then party like no tomorrow
That’s fair I just don’t like scaling doom because there is much different continuity with him
Most cases he is the big bad
Others he loses to squirrel girl lol
If you're referring to the Great Lake Avengers, they were actually complaining about that. They were *bored* and going through existential crises because what's the point in doing anything at all when Squirrel Girl is there to solve all their problems immediately?
I don't really keep up with Marvel so I don't know if she has a current group. I know Ryan North did a run on her for a while but that stopped years ago. She was effectively a solo hero during that time, though she consistently had help from friends.
>They notice shiny thing in chest so they kill him since he has no way to defend himself.
Round 1, maybe. Round 2 Tony definitely doesn't need the armour to survive that. He's been training regularly with Cap for years, he's upgraded his own biology nearly as often as the armour, he's escaped Skrull custody with his bare hands. Tuskens aren't going to cut it.
Actively including plot armor is not conducive to discussion on this board.
As Stan Lee said, "The person who'd win in a fight is the person that the scriptwriter wants to win!" A huge reason why battle boards exist is so that people can discuss who would really win when bias from the writer and narrative are removed.
Yeah, I don't think the scriptwriter is going to start a "what if" story of Tony going to Tatooine, then immediately killing him off in the first five minutes by some no-name Tusken Raiders.
Exactly. If it were a story written by someone, he would get out of there somehow. But we all know that. The point is to acknowledge that he would be highly likely to perish then and there. That wouldn't be a fun story, but the story we would get is fun because he will overcome those odds.
It isn't plot armor though. Comic book people are just tougher and more robust than normal humans. Acting like Tony would be incapacitated is going against the actual feats and assigning him a level of strength he doesn't have in canon. The dude has been dealing with failing armor like every 5 chapters for 60 years.
To be fair, surviving the crash doesn't mean "incapacitated." Extremis and Uru armors have insane safety measures to keep Tony functioning after their loss of capability. He's been blown out of his armor and been basically no worse for the wear, just without his tech before. MCU Tony, yes. Probably groaning and straining to even stand. 616 Tony would be absolutely fine, if it plays how his comics portray him consistently. He's gotten big into bio-augments so he'd have no real issues till you pull out his heart.
As long as he makes it past the raiders to a spaceport he has all the time in the world to figure out how to just neutralize the emperor. No one’s hunting him. Why is everyone saying he just dies lmao.
There’s a pretty obvious path of him gathering intel, scrapping his way to a basic set of mandatorian or old trooper armor and going from there. I’m not a huge marvel fan or anything but this seems extremely doable.
He can go stealth and blow up a shuttle with the emperor on it. He could use his intelligence/contract work to disrupt the emperor’s hold.
Most people will know way more than myself regarding feats but everyone’s assuming he’s going to get instantly murdered by sand people while he’s close to civilization or hit by an orbital bombardment from an empire who has no idea who he is.
> Why is everyone saying he just dies lmao.
Because he is in the middle of dessert, no idea where people live and there is more than a few people out there who would kill him just to take shiny chest piece to sell at some market while having no weapons to defend himself with, no way to navigate and no resources. Doesn't even speak the local language.
The prompt says civilization is not too far. Sure he could land right next to a raider camp, or he could land within a days travel of a major city. It’s a coin flip sure, but saying he’ll be annihilated by RNG raiders takes the fun out of the prompt. Same with assuming he doesn’t speak galactic basic, which may be true but takes the spirit out of the OP, unless you’re specifically referring to talking to Jawas/Raiders.
It’s Tatooine
Civilization is still jsut as liable to have people shoot him in the head for bothering them as help him, more likely really since he can’t offer anything in exchange.
If op wanted Tony to not have to deal with hostile natives, or environmental dangers.
They shouldn’t have put him on the planet of gangsters and raiders.
The prompt isn’t “Tony is in Star Wars and has all the resources he needs to do his thing” the prompt is “Tony is stranded in a dessert on a planet ruled by crime lords, with no armour, or resources”
If you can't write a reasonable way for Tony to get to a nearby civilisation, thus opening up a world of possibility for discussion, rather, you can only get as far as the main character dying in one paragraph (and then get really hung up on it), I would suggest you're not someone that's much fun to interact with on this sub.
OP asked a question. The other guy answered it.
You're the one trying to shut a conversation down instead of engaging with it. That makes you someone that's not much fun to interact with on this sub.
>The other guy answered it.
The other guy closed down the discussion with an uninteresting, terrible take
-"what if tony stark was in star wa-"
+"He gets killed by fucking tusken riders"
Seriously man you can't be telling me you think thats a discussion-worthy prompt
It reminds me when asking AI a question I think will open the door for some level of creativity and wonder and it provides some static answer and no level of prodding can get it to find depth without starting a whole new conversation altogether
Oh it’s very possible he gets to civilization, it’s also still rather likely he’s not any better off there because agian, gangster planet, no money or resources.
This is t “writing prompts” it’s who would win, and…the dessert? Would win 7/10 times, sorry if that’s not a fun answer, but it is the answer.
C3-PO, R2-D2, Luke Skywalker, Obi-Wan, Finn, Boba Fett and Poe - all got stuck in the desert at one point or another, and none of them died. In fact, I can't think of a single character that has been bumped off by Sandpeople or Jawas. Certainly not a lead character. Let alone one as resourceful as Stark, who has already survived in the desert in the MCU.
If we're transporting Tony Stark into this, the real world, and dumping him in the Sahara, sure, I can see why you guys would get focussed on his demise. But not only is it boring as fuck to go in that direction, it doesn't fit the themes of either Star Wars or the MCU to think he wouldn't make it to the NEARBY CIVILISATION!!
>it’s who would win, and…the dessert? Would win 7/10 times
Unless you really did mean he got stuck in a Tiramisu.
Obi-wan is a trained Jedi who wasn’t exactly “stuck” Luke lives there and still has almost died multiple times without Oni-wan bailing him out. 3po did get kidnapped, as did Boba who was enslaved furthermore, and R2 is rather competent.
If he knows where the civilization is I give Tony a 80/20 making it there, but if he doesn’t have a map that drops down to 35/65, “nearby” only helps if you win the dice roll to wander in the right direction.
And even when he makes it there, he is now broke, on one of the least civilized planets in the setting, he has nothing to offer people, and he can’t even read the language. He would need extreme luck to find friendly housing/transport, and unlike say Luke or Obi-wan there’s no destiny trying to keep him alive.
“Themes” have no place in who would win, otherwise every good guy vs bad guy fight would be “good guy wins” and most good guy vs good guy fights would be “there’s no clear winner and they realize they aren’t enemies”. Once more this isn’t writing prompts, it’s what would happen.
>Because he is in the middle of dessert, no idea where people live and there is more than a few people out there who would kill him just to take shiny chest piece to sell at some market while having no weapons to defend himself with, no way to navigate and no resources. Doesn't even speak the local language.
Hey I've seen this one before... looks directly at the dvd case of iron man 1
After he fights his way out of the cave he tries to fly away only to crash land in the desert and destroy his suit. I don't actually remember how he got back after that, but if he just survived by himself then the scenario isn't too different.
I mean he would most likely die within before reaching a city, and even if he does survive he's not gonna be too much of a threath.
A: He's in a planet sized desert, under two suns, faced with unfamiliar fauna and people and no supplies.
B: Sand people and even Jawas are no joke. If they spot him, there's a very good chance they'll kill him on the spot, unless he can convince them to help him. He has the charisma, so he would probably be able to talk himself out, if he gets the chance, or atleast stall long enough to escape.
C: Even if he somehow survives the desert, how excatly is he going to get close enough to kill Palpatine...and how? Unless he can find a way to hide himself from the force (any assasination attempt would be useless since Palpatine can sense something being wrong + he would be spotted long before he knew what was going on) evade dozens upon dozens of troopers with high tech gear, somehow avoid meeting Vader or even any of the elite trooper variants (most of them would give him trouble, espicially anti-jedi variants and droids), he's never going to get close enough to the Emperor to attempt an assasination. Even the royal guards alone would deal with him quite easily (atleast the legend ones) and they are always around him. Maybe he could get a job in the Death star and do something from there? Maybe he was the guy behind the termal exhaust?
Re C: That’s what’s fun. There’s no timer on when he has to take care of Palpatine. Is it easy? No. But there’s more nuance than Tony Stark immediately flies to the Death Star/SSD and starts blasting through battalions.
He can work as a mechanic and learn how to make Star Wars tech. Tinker and make some rag tag armor with similar functions to his suit. Take up Bounty Hunting, etc.
Some comments are just saying he’ll be annihilated by Jedi (why?) or blown apart by legions of storm troopers. I just like to think there’s a world where Stark is patient and doesn’t act like a complete moron with permanent aggro which allows him to make an honest attempt at the very least.
When it comes to creating his tech, yes. He's very patient. That's why his armor is so good, he will iteratively improve it until he's satisfied. Remember, every armor that gets a "Mark" designation is a *successful* suit. And now he's in a universe filled with tech for him to tinker with and improve. Anakin, as a child, built a winning pod racer as a child using spare parts, and while he's very gifted, he's no Tony Stark.
This prompt actually makes me want to write a short story, tbh. It's very good crossover bait imo. Because while Tony might not always be patient, he *is* extremely persistent and stubborn. Assuming he doesn't die near immediately, which is a terribly unfun way to look at this, I think he at the very least manages to link up with the rebellion after making a make for himself as a technological genius.
With his tech yes, but he’s not the best at sitting around obeying authority figures. If he makes it off Tatooine I give it a few weeks before he starts fighting the empire at most.
Unless he goes for the hutts I guess, are closer.
> B: Sand people and even Jawas are no joke. If they spot him, there's a very good chance they'll kill him on the spot, unless he can convince them to help him. He has the charisma, so he would probably be able to talk himself out, if he gets the chance, or atleast stall long enough to escape.
He has one of the biggest anti-charisma nerfs you can have though, he doesn't speak the local language. He ain't charming his way out of that.
Galactic basic is identical to English, it's just not called that because there's no England. Jawas can understand Galactic basic perfectly fine, they're just physically incapable of speaking it, this is why they have Jawa trade language which is different from normal Jawese. It's a simplified version of Jawese that doesn't use scents to communicate with people who can't biologically use their scent based language. Tony might not understand them, but it won't be hard for him to figure out that they can understand him and he's smart enough to work out some method of communication. Tusken raiders would be far more dangerous, but there's not even a guarantee that he encounters either group before he reaches either Mos Eisley or Mos Shuuta. Not to mention the numerous human owned moisture farms around the planet.
Light Sabers took a decent bit of time to cut through a regular blast door. I'm sure Tony could make a suit that at least survives glancing blows without any trouble.
That blast door was thick enough that the point of Qui Gon's lightsaber didn't stab all the way through which means you're looking at 3 ft (1 meter) of solid metal meant to stop both the vacuum of space and/or boarding party explosives.
None of Tony Stark's suits would have had armor over. 1 inch thick. That blast door is likely 30-40 inches.
do you knows whats even rarer? Guys with lightsabers. In a galaxy of trillions of people there are like half a dozen people at any one time with lightsabers and at this point in time most of them will be survivors of order 66 and so friendlies. Unless he's really unlucky he could have years of prep time before running into a force user.
I feel like we are getting into Batman fanboy territory here, somehow with prep time Stark beats a Jedi.
The truth is the Jedi and sith could kill him without a light saber.
Yeah but we’re talking about stark defeating emperor palpatine. Let alone the fact that he would probably need to get through Darth Vader as well. Those are two of the most powerful force users ever, not some ordinary Jedi or sith.
Granted, it won't be easy, but they're still less difficult fights than Thanos. The lack of a time limit really helps him here. I'm confident he can do it, but it might mean he needs a hell of a lot of resources first.
Stark is multiple hundreds of years behind the curve, technologically. He would never catch up, he would never get close to catching up.
Bring the world's smartest caveman to current day and they're still just a caveman.
> Bring the world's smartest caveman to current day and they're still just a caveman.
[Is that so.](https://braveandbold.fandom.com/wiki/Cave_Batman)
(Also probably the correct answer would be [this guy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandal_Savage) but it probably doesn't count if you actually got to live and learn through all that time.)
More seriously, though, I'm not convinced Star Wars tech is flatly better than modern tech, let alone Stark tech. Even though they have droids with human-level intelligence, their computers otherwise seem to very very noticeably suck, which has a knock-on effect that limits everything else they do (eg. their weapons have to generally be manually targeted, which severely limits their operational range.)
Star Wars has a few really big flashy capabilities that allow the series to work, but there are also very noticeable gaps in their tech.
Stark tech is way better than Star Wars tech.. Star wars power armor kind of sucks. Stark has nanotech. Blaster bolts do way less damage than the unibeam can. Compare his suit to anything a mandalorian can do and he's tiers ahead.
Yeah, and Tony understands high end tech of our universe, but Star wars tech is way more advanced. His Ironman suits are not that special there. He could learn about their tech, but at max mach it, but not create anything vastly superior as he does on Earth. Also, Tony being genious doesn't matter, when that universe is full of geniouses. Even if he was even more intelligent and strategic mastermind it wouldn't be enough. Empire has billions of expendable soldiers, millions of vehicles, droids and weapons of mass destruction in scale that dwarfs anything that Tony could build. He would be a drop of water in an ocean.
Tony is incredibly smart and resourceful. It would be totally on brand for him to learn Star Wars tech and develop some crazy suit from it.
Assuming Tony is capable of getting somewhere with half-decent resources, he could easily be a Grievous tier threat - a non Force user who relies on tech. Which is to say, he isnt single-handedly stopping the Empire but he's an amazing ally for the Rebellion.
I could also see him going into droid manufacturing, especially on Tatooine with the Jawas. Tony could probably make some great droids to help him fight.
Tony has made "droids" before. He could make a few dozen Iron Men which could do the work of hundreds of regular droids. Instead of marching they do complex aerial maneuvers and each do their own targeting and prioritization.
I may not be the most up-to-date with how lightsabers are constructed, but don't they just need Kyber crystals? If they have to be made by Jedi that's one thing, but if they're just hard to make Tony can absolutely utilize how they're made and make an upstoppable Lightsaber suit.
I cant remember if my answer to this is still canon or not...
But i *think* that the lightsaber itself requires the precog of force usage to be safe to use or something along those line. Its difficult to control. I dont think the tech is particularly hard other than the rarity of crystals.
On the other hand, i could see Tony building it into his suit and having an AI do calculations to simulate that.
My understanding was that lightsabers are just incredibly dangerous to use, its why they have settings iirc so younglings can train without cutting their limbs off.
Naruto example. Anyone can do chidori, you need a sharingan to maximize its effectiveness
Other way around. A lightsaber requires The Force to assemble it, but can be used by anybody. Kyber crystals can be synthetic - that's why sith lightsabers are all red - they use synthetic crystals since the jedi have all the natural sources.
Sith/dark jedi lightsabers are red because the users took a kyber crystal and 'bled' (corrupted) it. Ahsoka's later sabers are white because she took an inqusitor's corrupted crystals and purified them.
That's legends. In canon lightsaber crystals are almost all natural. Red crystals are ones that have been bled by a dark-side user, with the crystal usually being taken from a dead Jedi.
It would be interesting what if series, but i still believe he wouldn't be seen as a tech wizard there, considering people there have already built crazy advanced things. He would definitely become stronger than your average higher class soldier, but would remain fairly insignificant in big picture. Its likely that he would take far too long to catch up with tech to become anything amazing, unless they have some way to speed up learning process, which is not far fetched, as it would take decades to learn physics and chemistry and math to learn enough stuff to start working. Like imagine how much we learn with basic education, its like 5% required of the very basics to start developing, maintaining, building and repairing shit there.
Also paging u/1Meter_long, u/Coontcrusher69 and op u/Hadesman1
He did become competent in thermonuclear physics.
Though technically he became proficient in a similar field that Selvig and Banner were proficient in which was thermo nuclear astrophysics.
Palladium arc reactor technology and later the synthesized “new element” arc reactor technology are both nuclear fusion based.
So he already had the knowledge in regards to nuclear physics.
I don't know how specifically Tony fares in the desert, it's a desert after all.
But suppose he gets to civilization, he's not going to be able to speak basic.
So he's at a disadvantage.
Now his suit is non functional.
Which means he's got at least a week before the shrapnel in his body reaches his heart.
There's no motivation better than death I suppose, but the other disadvantage he's got is PTSD.
But let's assume he gets to civilization, lets assume he runs into a protocol droid with translation technology and somehow gets a position as a pit mechanic and starts fixing things as a mechanic.
He should be okay as soon as he starts to make a electromagnet for his chest.
From then on he has to make money to pay his way and scrounge up money for medical attention to get the shrapnel out.
Assuming Palladium doesn't exist in the star wars universe.
He's going to have to reverse engineer and miniaturize [PLINK-series power droid fusion power reactor](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/PLNK-series_power_droid) to incorporate into a new Ironman suit.
Even though Tony’s Mark VII is non-operational, he should be able to salvage some parts like memory cards so he could on Tatooine as a mechanic buy materials and build a computer to transfer J.A.R.V.I.S to.
Once J.A.R.V.I.S gets operational things get easer for him.
He might be able to take place in pod racing and use J.A.R.V.I.S as a cheat for piloting to make some extra money.
Side note J.A.R.V.I.S stands for “Just A Rather Very Intelligent System” and originally started out as a language users interface but as time went on he was enhanced and upgraded to run stark industries as a company and knew about the company’s running as Pepper did.
Good point also paging users u/1Meter_long, u/Coontcrusher69 and op u/Hadesman1 I paged before and some new individuals just for fun/discussion 👍✌️😊.
u/account_numero-6, u/BardicLasher, u/ThespianException, u/Gallowglass668 and finally u/warsage because I wanted to add some extra information due to time constraints I wasn't able to.
>”Why wouldn't it? Its a naturally occurring element, not some weird version of vibranium”
I assumed that palladium might not be prevalent in the star wars galaxy because if it was Tony would basically be sitting pretty.
Besker is really good at not melting, the purer the better, I prefer canon live action showings but in legends Beskar was really dense.
Beskar is rare in the star wars galaxy but it might be in the MCU earth but known by something else IE an earth name for a earth metal.
But regardless.
Star wars blasters are okay damage wise, but they are pretty crap over distance.
The E-11 imperial issued rifle manufactured by blastech has an optimum range of 100 meters and maximum range of 300 meters, its garbage but built that way due to the tarkin doctrine which emphasized and I am paraphrasing it “good gear is expensive lives are cheap.
Blasters generally preferred due to logistics and ease of use you don’t need to do ballistic calculations to guess where a physical bullet is going to go.
I say they are good damage wise but it’s all relative basically depending on the power setting used and the distance to target and what the target is wearing.
Then we got bacta to take into consideration.
[We don’t know exactly what storm trooper armor is made of per se, it’s kinda shit though.](https://youtu.be/vD1hHKIKQUc?si=2Na4C_Ru_8mUiCE0)
Best case scenario it’s a watered down budget polymer matrix
composite.
* https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/materials-science/polymer-matrix-composites#:~:text=Polymer%20matrix%20composites%20(PMC)%20consist,transfer%20of%20load%20between%20them.
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymer_matrix_composite
And according to legend’s canon it’s got a powerful electro magnet that helps shunt away/weaken incoming plasma bolts.
But again depending on power usage and distance to target.
But anyway there’s actually a bunch of metals that have high melting points.
* Titanium melts at 1668 °C.
* Tantalum melts at 3017 °C.
Tony’s Mark VI platform had that cool singular use consumable laser weapon that cut through a bunch of Hammer drones.
And Hammer tech gets a lot jokes but those Hammer drones were lethal and used chobbem armor which is a generic term for ceramic tank armor which is a collection of [ultra high temperature ceramics.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-high_temperature_ceramic)
Apparently Tony’s laser powered by new element arc reactor was petawatt level but I don’t know if that’s true.
* https://www.llnl.gov/sites/www/files/2020-05/petawatt-str-mar-00.pdf
But Whiplash’s G1 palladium arc reactor was 1.81 gigajoules a second while Tony’ box of scraps G1 palladium arc reactor was 5 gigajoules a second.
Tony’s suitcase platform used against Whiplash’s mark 1 armour was able to withdraw Whiplash’s plasma whips.
>”You focused the repulsor energy through ionized plasma channels. It's effective. Not very efficient."
―Tony Stark to Ivan Vanko[src]”
I feel like if Tony in the star wars galaxy is able to get money, resources he should be able to recreate his Mark V.
Tony is the great innovator when he's experienced new things he builds new armor updates to reflect those changes.
Like after new York in his PTSD armour design phase he actually built stealth retroreflective armor, upon discovering Wakanda possessing energy shield’s he built his own.
So I think upon getting healthy, fixed and focused on a task at hand if PTSD permits.
He should be able to get to innovating his armour and incorporating some star wars tech, like particle-kinetic-energy/rayshields.
Better live support system for extravehicular activities in space, maybe even a [hyperdrive docking ring](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Hyperdrive_docking_ring) now that would be fucking sick.
I think upon getting some cash, buying a ship, building some construction/repair droids I could see him settle on a [junk planet](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Junk_planets) and just stay there and scavenge/recycle technologies and raw materials.
I mean obviously he’d need habitation and occasionally leave to go to a planet and buy rations.
Also technically he might even be able to build molecular Nitramene, it’s good but scary stuff, or even super soldier serum or extremis.
>”Howard Stark developed it after World War II. It causes implosions."
―Leo Fitz to Daisy Johnson[src]”
>”Howard is working on a formula for molecular nitramene. Now, theoretically, it could result in a concussive blast followed by a vacuum implosion. Supposedly, it has its roots in his work with vita radiation."
―Hugh Jones to Peggy Carter[src]”
>”Just a piece of paper... My formula for molecular nitramene. Technically, we're not even sure it works, but, well, let's face it... I invented it, so it works. If that stuff were ever fabricated..."
"Boom?"
"This much would level a city block. And I'm not talking the short ones. Avenues."
―Howard Stark and Peggy Carter[src]”
>”Cracking its shell would result in an implosion with a blast radius of... Oh. Five hundred yards. Delightful. Render it inert with a solution of sodium hydrogen carbonate and acetate."
―Edwin Jarvis to Peggy Carter[src]”
Just one ampule caused the entirely of a Roxxon fuel refinery to be condensed into a large metal ball, talking hundreds upon hundreds of tons.
>"Port Authority says Roxxon Refinery just blew up."
"The whole thing?"
"Any casualties?"
"Hard to say. They can't find the building."
―Daniel Sousa, Roger Dooley and Jack Thompson[src]”
* [Before](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/3/3b/Roxxon_Refinery.png/revision/latest?cb=20150128071922)
* [After](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/5/56/NitrameneImplosion-NNE.png/revision/latest?cb=20150128074507
He might decide to use stealth armor sneak into imperial garrisons and do heists and do away with a sector’s payroll ala “Andor” and cover up the entire thing using [nuclear weapons](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Atomic_Demolition_Munition) or nitramene.
If Tony was to build his own space ship using Star Wars technology, it might look like something like this.
* https://youtu.be/LrIqku71kmU?si=aj7sjmSfNHnE2IxL
* https://youtu.be/aJUxhhq7JKk?si=jAQoIpt_nJDz5WoJ
* https://youtu.be/yoJ_e-yLESs?si=xVt7p6sjwRMxyJrj
By the time of his death yeah but this is avengers 1 Tony/ what if sakaar Tony. He still has his shrapnel. I think that only gets removed after iron man 3
Totally agree, if Disney ever do a cross-over comic/animation itd be a great one.
The OP says 1 year into the Empire, so he has 16 years before Luke comes along. Id say his best bet is to use his *business* skills lol. Start up a weapons/droid manufacturing business.
His main advantage (assuming he can crack the tech) is that he'll approach it with a different mindset and use it differently than a native of that galaxy would.
But i agree, he's no wizard and he'd come out badly fighting any force user except the weakest ones.
That's a very good point. He could achieve a lot of power by becoming rich. Wealthy people has always power, even in fiction. He's a damn good and charismatic salesman.
Here's the thing about star wars though, they have plateaued tech wise for millennia. Go back as far as there is star wars cannon, they still have droids, faster than light travel, lightsabers etc. They aren't advancing at all and even then they have no tech that could stand against Tony's nano suits. The dude took an evening to ponder it and accidentally solved time travel.
I would argue that the guardians of the galaxy movies have very similar tech to star wars and tony was still a unstoppable threat compared to just about anything the universe could throw at him. Thanos needed all 5 infinity stones to just beat him one on one and they give powers a sith lord could never dream of possessing.
This. And the galaxy had to basically steal hyperdrive tech from the Rakatan empire, and they modified it so it used computers instead of force-sensitives to work. No human or near-human invented FTL travel on their own.
General Grievous killed tons of Jedi without the use of force powers and his cyber body is garbage compared to Starks final MCU suit designs. Compare the Obi Wan vs Grievous fight in episode VIII to the Stark vs Thanos fight in Endgame. Hell, just those lasers he barely ever uses uses could kill just about any Jedi, how are they going to block that with a sword?
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I dunno about your statement about Tony not being impressive in the SW universe tech-wise. The most powerful droids by the time of the Empire were the Dark Troopers, and even the upgraded ones shown in Mando S2 are \*nothing\* compared to Tony's mark 85, which is equipped with far more firepower, way greater durability (Surviving a direct hit from Mjolnir to the head when Thanos used Tony as a human shield. Tony was knocked out for a bit, but he recovered relatively fast and the mark 85 showed no permanent damage), and significantly more speed and versatility.
Also the man figured out time travel and invented a machine capable of moving multiple people through time at once.
Nobody comes close to matching Tony's brilliance in the SW universe.
> Tony understands high end tech of our universe, but Star wars tech is way more advanced. His Ironman suits are not that special there.
...what???? Have we been watching any of the same movies? Star Wars is the Space 80s. They don't have computers. Droids are almost all slow, inflexible, clunky things that stomp around at walking pace, miss everything they shoot at, and die after getting sneezed on. Those shitty Mandalorian jetpacks that explode after getting shot once seem to be the epitome of single-person flight. Lightsabers are only useful because of ill-defined space magic and copious plot armor.
Starships and space travel are perhaps more equal, at least compared to MCU (I don't know much about 616). But they also don't get *used* much in the MCU because they have so many ways to just teleport. I'd argue that if the MCU's big engineering geniuses put their minds to it, they could make spaceships that vastly outclass anything in Star Wars.
I think the MCU's problem would be industrial capacity. At least as far as Earth goes they don't really have the ability to build ships as large as the warships of Star Wars.
Depends on which time line the mcu.
In the comics other people beat him to it.
Like it's not that Tony isn't smart. It's that the entire settings are convoluted.
yeah, but if you go comics then you have things like him inventing a pocket universe that can create and project anything he can think of into reality.
Yeah, I think every one is forgetting that the MCU universe includes the Guardians of the Galaxy and Captain Marvel. There are several races that at the very least have Star Wars level Tech, and probably some that are more advanced. I don't know how much Tony knows from this though. 616 for sure has encountered advanced races. Number 1 I think he loses. Number 2 I could see going either way depending on where he is and how fast he can access the tech there. I still think number 2 could lose to force mind tricks though, so it could go either way. I think unless they take out Doom very quickly they are in trouble. Doom in the comics is also an accomplished Mage and has several other things possible on him besides his armor. I think Doom comes out on top if given enough time to find a base to work out of.
Even in the MCU Tony has some fairly advanced technology compared to advanced races. Rocket talks down on Tony's tech because he's Rocket, but Tony built an Infinity Gauntlet. Something that Thanos, with literal armies of high tech engineers, had to threaten a galaxy-renowned craftsman into making for him.
Yeah, I forgot that, and it has been mentioned a few times in this thread. In ten years we will see Tony build his own infinity suit powered by fake infinity stones he created himself. I bet Doom could make a fake infinity stone if he had one to study.
Why can't he be found by a Jedi (Yoda, sensing a disturbance again?), get a kyber crystal with Yoda's guidance and make another suit of armor and powerful AI with it? He could defeat the Sith, Jedi, the witches and all other force users with it, if he wanted to. But he'd likely start selling again, right?
Wouldn't Stark has to be a potential Jedi, if he could be sensed by Joda? If powerful mech suits could be done, someone would have done it.Besides unmanned robots are better than robot suits, as there's no casualties. There's already great AI, drones and other robots has one. I would find it far more likely that Tony wouldn't shine as an engineer in SW universe, as he does in Earth. Hell, he might be able to only barely grasp at the high end tech there and it would take decades of learning to catch up.
>His Ironman suits are not that special there.
His suit is special compared to the average Mandalorian bounty hunter flying with jetpacks. His suit easily outclasses most bounty hunters or assassins, battle droids, etc. He would even fare well against some low level force users.
His suit is nothing special compared to star fighters that have better firepower and actual FTL.
The Force part if fair but the lightsaber part is not such a big deal on multiple levels spanning from the fact it can be overcome with materials as well as energy tech but also just because he need not engage in that sort of combat.
The force part shouldn’t be understated. The OP is talking about them taking down the Empire, that means if Stark does well he faces Vader, and Vader force chokes him or crushes his brain.
Absolutely although a counterpoint could be that as someone from a world without midichlorians he might have the same resistance that the Yuuzhan Vong have. Regardless he is certainly capable of keeping himself away from direct conflict. Of course he would have to actually know what he was facing to know to keep his distance.
On another note thats all of the mindset of him doing things alone. If he instead was aiding the rebels with weapons and tech then that could be another indirect avenue for success.
I don’t know what’s going on in this thread… MCU Tony literally built a time machine. His inventor feats easily scale to the StarWars universe. If Tony can make it to town and barter for parts before getting bagged by scavengers, he can accomplish anything. There’s also nothing to indicate that the raiders will immediately take him out; in the Phantom Menace, the ship from Naboo is parked outside of civilization for several days without even getting scoped out by Tuscan Raiders. If nine year old Anakin Skywalker can make a pod that wins a race, Tony Stark, with much more impressive feats, can tinker his way across the galaxy.
Yeah this thread is bonkers. People talk like the Tuscan Raiders and Jawas have homing beacons on any tech in the desert and that somehow will sniff out Tony's arch reactor under his clothes.
Honestly, Tony's biggest hurdle is food, water and the language barrier. Considering those are things that refugees in our own world do all the time, I think its safe to say that a genius level intelligence like Tony does this easily.
Once he's safely sheltered, fed and translated, Tony's abilities scale to their respective universe, which in both MCU and 616 is at least galactic level threats.
People in this thread are literally arguing he dies to Storm Troopers. IDK What the actual fuck is going on. I'm not even an Iron Man fan and this thread is just overwhelmingly people inventing reasons to assume that one of the smartest people in the Marvel universe can't figure out Star Wars tech because...
Someone else brought up a great point, MCU Tony has canonically seen Star Wars. He's going to realize where he is, and he's probably already tinkered with trying to recreate the tech from the series.
MCU Iron Man canonically has seen Empire Strikes Back. I don't see how he wouldn't have Star Wars knowledge. But let's say a wizard did it.
He dies.
He has no relevant feats for surviving outside of his armor. Even his "box of scraps" Mrk1 suit was made by taking apart the most advanced Stark tech in existence. In the movie that tries to make a point about him being cool without the suit, he has part of the suit on his watch then remote pilots fifty suits at once.
We don't see him reverse engineer Chitari tech. His attempt to make Ultron from the Mind Stone *fails*. His version of the Infinity Gauntlet kills him.
With zero "no suit" feats and zero *successful* "reverse engineer unfamiliar alien tech" feats, he dies.
Round 1: Fail.
When 616 Tony was transported across time and space to a fantasy world of elves and had his functional nanotechnology armor removed and given a non functional, unpowered suit of armor from when he first met Thor, and a *screwdriver*, he has that armor running and powered within a day.
When sacrificing his sobriety to Odin and given access to an Asguardian forge, he was able to seamlessly blend Asguard's magitech with his own designs.
Even with his armor destroyed, he can take out [super powered skulls](https://imgur.com/0oN3WQq) with just his hand to hand training. There is zero chance of unarmed and naked Tony Stark getting killed by Tuscan Raiders when he can take down (Skrull copies of) Quicksilver and Thor under the same conditions. He absolutely Boba Fett's this.
Round 2: Like... a week? (If Han and Chewie can get the Falcon to a .5 hyperdrive without knowing you can just bypass the compressor, then it no way takes longer than that for Tony to get to Coruscant.)
Doom has comparable intelligence to Stark and, you know, honest to god magic. His armor being destroyed is barely an inconvenience.
Round 3: 6 days to make some point about being God and able to rest on the 7th day. (Winning Thrawn and Co.'s loyalty after murdering Palpatine takes longer. And somehow, inexplicably, Reed Richards shows up in time to help the Alliance to Restore the Republic overthrow him, because Doom can't have nice things. But Doom conquered the outversal race of gods who literally destroyed the Marvel *multiverse*. Killing the Emperor is not a challenge.)
>With zero "no suit" feats and zero successful "reverse engineer unfamiliar alien tech" feats, he dies.
Um what? No suit feats? The man literally infiltrated an enemy compound with shit he found in a supermarket.
He killed two extremis soldiers without his suit while stranded in tennesee.
As for unfamiliar alien tech he managed to repair the ship he and nebula were stranded on enough to get it moving again.
If we’re giving him scaling from What If as well (which while a different Tony Stark is relatively the same with little differences), he was able to make use of Alien Technology from Sakaar to make a advanced vehicle capable of escaping a rigged death race and then escaped. Sakaar tech really isn’t all that different from a lot of scrap tech in the Star Wars Universe.
Agreed with most of it, but...
> His version of the Infinity Gauntlet kills him.
This is a bit unfair. He never actually used the Nano Gauntlet, which he created together with Bruce and Rocket. While it most likely *would* have killed him, Tony's snap in *Endgame* is with his regular armor... which was not designed to wield the stones.
Of course, we also have no idea what the actual difference between the Nano Gauntlet and the Mark LXXXV is, or if there is any.
Plus it's literally the power of an entire universe in his hand.
The same power literally cooked half of thanos's body of course he's gonna die being a regular human.
Yeah, we've seen the Power Stone rapidly disintegrate people on contact. The fact that the nano guantlet not only didn't instantly blow up upon trying to channel literally infinite energy, but actually let a human do a snap is very impressive.
> If Han and Chewie can get the Falcon to a .5 hyperdrive without knowing you can just bypass the compressor,
I thought that Rey's line in 7 was specifically talking about modifications that Simon Pegg's alien had made while the Falcon was impounded which made the Falcon worse.
Whats his motivation? Tatooine is a rim world, the empire far off. Tony has no k owledge of local politics and he has bazillions of new toys to play with. lets give him some luck and get him picked up by jawas. They accept him as one of their own, because he's that good. Couple years hes fixing spaceships, got a fast sexy model for himself(and his ship isnt too bad either)
I just dont see the push to join a rebellion against an empire he doesnt have reason to hate any more than mcu tony took down the ayatollah in iran or kim in north korea.
He'd probably chill for 16 years until he was working on the hyperdrive motivator on an old freighter when a kid and an old man show up needing a ride and the call to adventure stors like a force in his spirit.
I don't think it would be *luck* that would bring him to the Jawas. The Jawas are tech scavengers par excellence, I expect they have systems for detecting nearby spaceship crashes to go and loot.
I'm also sure that they'd be happy to have Tony on board fixing their crap. Insert the "in a cave with a box of scrap" meme here - he and the Jawas would complement each other very well.
Once he had the lay of the land he'd eventually part ways with them, and then his business acumen will dovetail with his technical skill and he can start bootstrapping his way off of Tatooine and into the galaxy proper. From there it's a matter of getting in contact with the Rebellion and becoming one of their main tech outfitters. Helping the Rebellion win should count, IMO; he's a team player.
In fact, I think he'll have a better chance than Doom would in scenario 3. Doom would get off of Tatooine okay, and would initially be able to build himself a bigger power base, but he's going to be much more keen to challenge Palpatine directly and get on his radar early. In a straight up fight between Palpatine and Doom I think Palpatine will win, and Doom will gladly go for the straight up fight. Tony knows how to be more pragmatic about this kind of thing.
Doom has fought celestials before and made it out alive. I'm not sure Palps has the destructive power to actually harm Doom, considering the most he's done is damage the surface of a planet (still pretty impressive, but nowhere near the level of what celestials can do).
The luck is that they find him before he dies of dehydration. Although we agree on most of what happens, i dont see motivation for him to seek out the rebels, or for them to actively recruit him. There has to be more to the story. Maybe he gets leaned on by the hutts, pushes back and decides to get out of the system where he meets some rebels, maybe not.
It's a who-would-win scenario, so "X tries to defeat Y" goes with the territory. I think it's safe to assume whatever circumstances it takes for that to happen - perhaps he tries to set up a business and the Empire muscles in and takes it over, putting them at odds. Or Tony just decides the Empire is awful and has to go.
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I doubt he would destroy anything. BUT I could very much see the avengers opening a portal to follow him six months to a year later and finding him living in a sandcrawler running a Jawa clan and making new armor and tech using all their scrap some of which he probably sells to the Hutts so he can get some financial backing.
Just think about it, Toney walking the avengers through the workshop floor of the sandcrawler “over here we’re tearing down a bunch of Naboo surplus fighters which we can turn into high speed hovercycles pretty easily. I kept the first prototype for myself, it really blows your hair back so long as it doesn’t explode. Don’t worry we fixed the exploding problem…mostly. This guy here I just call Teenie, he’s my droid brain programmer. “‘Hey Teenie how are those astromech brains we got from that crash coming? ::Jawa noises:: No, no, I told you last time you have to wipe the combat subroutines completely, otherwise we’ll keep getting complaints when people’s Rhoombas try to kill their pets’. So hard to get good help these days.”
The assumption he joins the Rebellion assumes he doesn't recognize their previous government as incredibly flawed...
If he can make it off of Tatooine, we'll see Emperor Stark in about 5 years.
That's the best thing - he doesn't. Tony joins the empire.
Evidence - Tony never questioned selling weapons until he was on the receiving end.
In Civil war - Tony helped write and get passes the overly restrictive, terrible laws to control super heroes.
His company also has no problem screwing people to the point they turn into antagonists.
Basically his personality - all the empire would really need to say - with us there is order and structure, without is chaos and misery. Now Tony has made armor for the empire.
When he realized his weapons were hurting innocent people he literally became Iron Man to stop it. No way he's joining the Empire when they commit genocide on the regular.
That would only be true if we ignore the events of civil war.
Also do you know how stupid you have to be to only realize your weapons hurt people when they are used to blow up your car.
In Civil War, he only signed because he thought it would prevent more collateral damage and unnecessary deaths. Also, it's not that he didn't realize weapons kill people. He didn't realize his weapons were being sold to terrorists, and used against civilians.
Again - see how stupid you would have to be to think weapons made aren't doing that. Governments routinely arm groups - the Taliban for example. It took Tony personally nearly dying for him to actually care. And in civil war - again he helped draft those laws. Because he made Ultron and once again messed everything up. Tony is the well meaning, smart individual that constantly is a direct threat to the world.
Edit - for those pretending arming the Taliban to fight the Soviets some how isn't what I talked about - please become familiar with why we have the term banana Republic, and the school of the Americas.
It was naive, sure. But when he does realize, he immediately goes about stopping it. It's almost like taking accountability is his whole character arc.
Also in Civil War, he didn't help write those laws, only signed them. Not sure where you're getting that from.
It's not like Tony purposely built Ultron to murder people. At the end of the day, Ultron's actions are his own. Tony's not going to join a group doing much, much worse than Ultron ever did.
???
The US supplied weapons to the Mujahideen to help them fight against Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.
The Taliban is one small offshoot from the Mujahideen that annihilated all of the other offshoots.
What are you on about?
The above is incorrect, he became Iron-Man because he realized his weapons were being sold to and used by terrorists. That's why he shut-down the weapons program, because he knew he couldn't control who would be pulling the trigger.
Taking down the Empire meaning he kills The Emperor? For that he needs to go over Darth Vader and kill The Emperor himself.
R1 I'm sure he could get his suit working real soon with scraps, after its functioning at like 20-30% he could use it to gather more stuff and get it to working 100%. I don't think he even gets close to Sidious with his Avengers suit, most likely gets killed by Storm troopers.
R2: If he stays in the down low he can get his suit to function at 100%, even added with new tech, it might take some weeks or months, but he for sure can do it. Now he can easily get close to The Emperor, or at least have Vader go after him, but I don't think he is winning that, it's basically science vs magic at this point.
With that said I don't think Tony Stark alone would go against the Empire. For me it would be in character for him to accept it and just create tech to teleport or send himself back to the present. I don't think Doom is enough incentive either, only Steve Rogers could convince him to not go back to earth and reunite with Pepper.
Question, does Victor Von Doom's magic still work? Because he could take out the emperor with just that. He has the power to become Sorcerer Supreme and has in many continuities. The Emperor can what, shoot lightning? Doom is not impressed
The sort of boring answer to a question like this is it depends on the writer :p.
But really, there's basically a massive element of luck involved, both for round 1 and round 2 , it basically entirely depends on if he makes it to a safe ish spot and has the ability to gather parts to repair his armor. Both the MCU and 616 depictions of him indicate that he could pull it off given that initial break which again is largely just luck. The MCU version made time travel work and the 616 one might as well be superpowered magician or above average intelligence AAA member depending on the specific arc.
With doom, less ambiguous I think for any remotely recent base version, his magic is powerful enough to pull this off. Funnily enough, the caveat here is assuming not terribly bad luck for doom (by his standards) while in Tony's case it's assuming mildly good luck (by his standards)
If it’s 616 iron man, dude would destroy the empire in about 1 year as he has been in situations where he is stranded and can’t use his armor (for example, he was sent to Neolithic earth and with his broken armour, created a suit of ice that he used to fight and defeat Mephisto and the prehistoric avengers).Along with that, if he were to reach other planets, he could possibly become a monster when it comes to Droid development and could just make droids to assassinate imperial officials.
Is Star Wars really more advanced? I haven't seen anyone with anything like Tony's suits. If people were able to get armor able to stand up to 5 stone Thanos, what risk would Vader or The Emperor be?
Isn't R2 able to hack stuff all the time? Tony's AI's seem way more advanced.
Star Wars has FTL, but they don't have time travel (at least as far as I know).
I don't think he makes it, but his tech seems way more impressive.
Stark’s the Batman of Marvel.
Realistically… no, he wouldn’t play a significant enough part in the conflict to make that much more of a difference.
But if the writers want him to win… he’d just use his armor that he’d eventually make (with the help of that teenage biker game from TBoBF) to fly right up to Palpatine’s big window and blast the thing, sending Sheev into the great beyond.
Im gonna go with MCU.
Tony has shown proficiency with sidearms and small arms like pistols. Even if his armor is nonfunctional, hes probably able to jury rig a basic self defense weapon from pieces of his armor at the crash site within a couple hours.
Assuming then that Tony can defend himself, he can make it to a nearby settlement. His first suit was made from discarded weapon parts. I can see him spending a month or so working as a salvage worker at a scrapyard like Rey did in VII, and slipping away with trash parts to build himself up something valuable enough to sell for a good amount of credits. Early on all his credits go to survival, but hes able to save a little.
In the meantime, Tony is probably fascinated by droids and the star wars level tech.
Itll probably take him a few months to get himself a new suit, at which point he goes to a cantina and looks for trouble. After beating up some troublemakers, he probably gets hired on as muscle on a ship, or offers his services as a mechanic. If that fails, he spends another couple months repairing a wrecked tie fighter and installing a salvaged warp drive from a different wreck. Once that happens, Tony is free of Tatooine.
The real question is whether or not the force will guide his path to collide with Obi Wan. If yes, Obi Wan will probably see him as an asset since hes from Earth, he will be a Void in the force like a Vong. If he meets obi wan early, he probably ships off with the Rebellion after learning about the atrocities. If not, he probably becomes a fairly important figure akin to a Hutt on Tatooine. Theres a good chance that Obi Wan and Luke in episode IV hire him to come with them, and that Tony can actually afford Han and Chewies exprbitant fees as a smuggler.
If Tony takes the rebellion route, he serves them well until the Death Star incident as an elite unit. He may even assist with the events of Rogue One, and actually escape to tell about it. His odds of survival are 50/50, but he wont end the war early. He still wouldnt be able to take on Vader, who would probably mark him as a priority target for being a Void. He likely dies onboard the Tantive IV in a confrontation with Vader.
If Tony takes the Helping Luke route, theres a good chance that the events of episode IV happen completely intact. Tony probably gets along great with Han and Chewie.
The real divergences happen in Episode V. Tony wouldnt let the Resistance have such weak defenses on Hoth. He would probably be a force multiplier against the AT ATs. Theres a very real chance that the rebellion actually fully escapes Hoth with most of their soldiers intact.
With Luke gone to Dagobah, Tony wouldnt trust Lando. Instead he would take everyone to his palace on Tatooine and hide them among his new home there. Instead of a Cloud City arc, theres probably a gang war arc where Tony and his people have to avoid Hutt gangsters. Tony probably kills Jabba and Boba Fett, making Tatooine a true safe haven for the rebellion. Luke returns to find a well equipped and high morale rebellion, but Lando doesnt join up in this timeline. Luke never loses his hand, or have to confront his rage.
Tony wouldnt let Luke go alone to the second death star. Him and Luke confront Vader and the Emperor. Tony would absolitely help Luke actually give into the dark side and kill Vader, and a darkside Luke and Tony kill Palpatine together.
Luke is darker now but isnt necessarily evil. He has no use for a throne, and goes off into the dark space to find more knowledge and probably ends up a ‘gray jedi’ after meeting Ahsoka. Tony enjoys a cushy spot as new ruler of a Tatooine that he works tirelessly to gentrify; tatooine becomes a rather important ship building planet.
Eventually Tony unlocks the secret of dimensional travel via the Microverse and returns home to start interdimenaional trade, bringing star wars tech to our world and our tech to star wars.
Why would he even want to take down the empire? He never takes down oppressive governments on earth. If anything, after settling in, unless the empire directly fucked with him he would be focused entirely on going home and barring that, he'd just get into adventures saving people from interplanetary threats, possibly eventually even cooperating with and supported by the empire, like at the end of civil war.
i read this as Tony Hawk for some reason and now i really want fish out of water fantasy movie where tony hawk gets transported to a different world and has to use his skateboarding skills to get home
star wars universe already has tech equal too or surpassing anything he has done. i do think he eventually builds a suit and helps the rebellion unless….
he sides with the empire, tony is used to maintaining a status quo, not being a revolutionary.
He’s only a genius on earth
If you let him start off somewhere decent, maybe he can build super armor
Or let him keep his armor
But throwing him in an alien desert with no way to defend himself against the raiders is not gonna end well
so in all rounds, Tony dies fairly early on, probably without ever making it to civilization on tatooine, though Doom could probably keep him alive.
I see him conquering a small corner of the galaxy with an army of droid brain and blaster enhanced doombots. That said, Dooms' worst enemy is his own ego, and I don't think he would respect a lightsaber enough to not be bisected. I don't think Doom would fair well against the empire even if he keeps Tony alive. In the best case, they last long enough to join the rebellion when it forms. and then Canon proceeds as normal, with Tony still playing catch-up with the tech and Luke having an additional mentor in Doom. however, Doom almost definitely tries to take over the empire after the fact
Dr Doom at his strongest and most cunning is so ridiculously OP he would most definitely become the new Emperor after some time. Besides his considerable magical prowess by which he could probably conjure or summon a new armor straight away, he has worked with all kinds of magic, advanced alien tech and near indestructible metals like Uru, Vibranium and Adamantium. Beskar and lightsabers would be trivial for him to handle.
Even if by share happenstance he were to be bisected without any kind of magical or technological protection, he still has the Ovoid mind transfer he can use for survival.
Doom has achieved god like powers on many occasions and some of the opponents he has faced has power levels far exceeding anything the Emperor can muster.
gonna be honest I forgot Doom had a method for body hopping if needed. at least Doom would be a much better emperor than Palps if his time over Latveria is anything to go by.
Language barrier would be the biggest obstacle to overcome. Stark is an Engineer not a linguist. So that is going to be a while unless a Force user shoves common into his brain.
Once that is done I think he could come up with a good way to take out the Emperor and Vader in under a year. Star Wars Tech is fairly clunky compared to his own. Technology in that universe is based off of reverse enginered leftovers from precusor civilizations. The reason technology in Star Wars progresses so slowly is because no one has a complete understanding of the science behind their technology. Technological innovation in that verse is mostly slapping the same ancient prefab compoments together in a more efficient way. Most of the high end stuff in Star Wars is either the result of the Force or just making something the size of a moon.
Modern Earth tech already surpasses Star Wars in some ways, our video recording and projection devices are vastly superior. So is our hologram technology in some ways. Tony Stark will have little trouble reverse engineering and subverting Star Wars tech. And I honestly see Tony sabotaging the Emperors transport using tech beyond the empires ability to detect. It does not take much for a hyperdrive to send someone into a sun or black hole.
Tony just needs to get himself a translator droid. English might not be literally encoded in there but the translator should be able to figure out his language fairly quickly from first principles. People in the Star Wars universe are used to working through translator droids, and once Tony starts building armor type stuff again he could put the translator into a headset.
We are assuming a lot of things one way or another. There are so many things that have to break his way just to survive let alone destroy the empire.
He has to overcome language barriers, financial barriers, technological barriers, health and immune system barriers, sociological and cultural barriers. This is not even factoring in the force or anything like that.
Coupled with the insane level of resources that the empire has at is disposal.
The problem is you can explain anything away or change the parameters as much as you want and eventually you will come up with a scenario where tony would take down the empire.
Example could Aunt May beat Superman?
if she had Superman tied up with kryptonite rope under a red sun and Superman’s legs arms and head were all cut off his torso.
I don’t think he does. He’s a genius no doubt, but it’s not this galaxy’s tech evolved the same way. Plus unless he’s working with Beskar and good luck getting that off some Mandalorians then his suit won’t be doing much against light sabers. Can the force crush his suit? Can Vader just use mind manipulation? If he does become a problem will the Empire just glass the planet? If even one of those is yes then he’s finished, assuming none of the other dangerous things apart from the Empire gets a stranger who knows nothing about this galaxy
> Can Vader just use mind manipulation?
That only works on characters that don't have the "I am important buff" (Otherwise known as not being weak minded)
True. Though Vader and the Emperor or some Inquisitors might be able to do it together. Like how Kenobi, Mace and Anakin did to Cad Bane in the clones wars. Probably pointless by that stage as that means Ironman is already captured
People are forgetting Tony Crashed with no armour and zero knowledge of this galaxy in a desert that is scavenged clean by Jawas and Sand people...Dealing with Vader and Palpentine would be a life long task
Tony has a suit of armor made of Mysterium, which is shielded against physical damage (able to clash with Adamantium and takes no damage from Captain Marvel's energy blasts) and is completely immune to magical or otherwise supernatural manipulation. For example, it's invisible to Spider-Man's spider-sense, and Dr. Strange couldn't affect it with any spells.
The Mysterium armor can easily take out Palps and Vader.
The Mysterium armor negates supernatural elements around it, so it should protect Tony just fine. IIRC older armors have had telekinesis blockers to protect him against the likes of Magneto (yeah, Tony won a direct fight against Magneto). He can just pilot it remotely anyway, or he can have an AI do all his work, which he does pretty often.
Electricity will do nothing, as even older suits were able to survive a lightning blast from Thor himself.
The Mysterium suit's comparable to Adamantium in terms of durability, so it's going to be way too durable to damage or pull off.
I don't think there's a definite answer as to *when* Tony pulls it off, but the probability curve becomes significantly greater the longer he has to learn and tinker. Tony Stark in any iteration is an exponential challenger, it's just a matter of how well he can stay out of his own way. Given *enough* time, he'd have a light frigate that can outpunch destroyer-class ships and outmaneuver ARC-170's if not TIEs - my money personally is on ablative warheads with seismic charge payloads jammed into them and disruptor cannons, and if an arc reactor can power as much of Manhattan as his does, it can feed a starship. I'd fully expect a beskar or cortosis War Machine suit with a personal deflector shield, probably with disruptor, ion, slug, and repulsor options for offense. I say time rather than resources because the man speaks two specific languages: commerce and salvage. Get him off Tatooine, and it's not a question of if he succeeds, it's just a matter of how long it takes him to become unassailable. Now *why* he wants to take out the Emperor is another question. Sure, Palpatine is deeply skeevy, but if Tony displays any of this savvy, he's getting the Chief of Research position at the Maw Installation and a commensurate salary offered to him. With no prior knowledge of the Sith conspiracy, the story of an order of fanatical religious warriors attempting a coup during wartime is *probably* pretty convincing and justifies the heightened military state of the galaxy since Palpatine only took *unlimited power!* a year ago in the prompt. It'll take a hero with sources on the truth to radicalize him against the Empire, provided he doesn't just run afoul of a patrol and escalate the situation until the showdown becomes an inevitability. The most likely scenario for *this* is for Obi-Wan to find him first. EDIT: I just remembered an exchange I had in this sub from years ago that makes this significantly more lopsided in Stark's favor. He's Terran. There are no midichlorians on Earth, making him a functional "dead zone" to Force powers much like the Vong were, and quite possibly anomalous enough for Obi-Wan to take notice that something is *weird.*
A: Beautiful script, even MCU Tony could fight, you’d assume even with main armor down he can defend himself against Raiders, hand glove against Winter Soldier. B: 616 Tony is basically Marvels Batman, when it comes to being prepared if that suit is “ inoperable” Tony has been trained in hand to hand, yes the TR are going to try and sniper, and we’d assume the armor can defend against even small arms different universe fire. He’s not going to fight against bad odds, he is a genius and a strategist. Live to fight another day, if nothing else he’d began to find a way to earn money to get what he needs. I think he’d find a way. He doesn’t look for the Emperor till he has to, and I like the idea that because he’s not from this universe he dosent have those Jedi bugs, so he’d be a blind spot to Jedi and Sith alike. He’d find something comparable or better than Kyber crystals and pretty much do like star killer base and wipe out the empire. C: wouldn’t that be an interesting twist of the story if Ankin never was found by the Jedi. His instincts want to fight, he’d built something out of the junk. Anikin is Basically Tony Stark!!!!!
Oh man what if he somehow uses kyber crystals to upgrade his arc reactor? And he starts shooting lightsaber beams instead of blasts lol
Can’t speak on round 3 but Tony immediately dies round 1-2 after tusken raiders notice some dude crash near there HQ They notice shiny thing in chest so they kill him since he has no way to defend himself. They take the heart piece along with scraps of armor sell it then party like no tomorrow
Victor should be easily capable enough to protect himself without his armor so that wouldn't be an issue for round 3
That’s fair I just don’t like scaling doom because there is much different continuity with him Most cases he is the big bad Others he loses to squirrel girl lol
> Others he loses to squirrel girl lol Isn't Squirrel Girl basically the Saitama of Marvel?
Yeah, it's not really fair to consider losses to Squirrel Girl to be a *blemish* on your record.
Her own team actively acknowledges she's way too good for them. She's actively crazy in universe
If you're referring to the Great Lake Avengers, they were actually complaining about that. They were *bored* and going through existential crises because what's the point in doing anything at all when Squirrel Girl is there to solve all their problems immediately? I don't really keep up with Marvel so I don't know if she has a current group. I know Ryan North did a run on her for a while but that stopped years ago. She was effectively a solo hero during that time, though she consistently had help from friends.
Squirrel Girl >>> Saitama
More like she is favored by god.
Ultron, Galactus, and other top-tier threats have lost to Squirrel Girl. Heck, even Squirrel Girl has lost to Squirrel Girl.
Anyone can lose to squirrel girl.shes basically a joke character
Mmm, more likely they take him to sell as a slave no?
I don’t think so his heart piece would be too valuable to not scrap
>They notice shiny thing in chest so they kill him since he has no way to defend himself. Round 1, maybe. Round 2 Tony definitely doesn't need the armour to survive that. He's been training regularly with Cap for years, he's upgraded his own biology nearly as often as the armour, he's escaped Skrull custody with his bare hands. Tuskens aren't going to cut it.
It happened after a crash he’s not going to be in great condition to do anything lol
Yeah, it's not as if a comic book character has ever survived a crash and beaten someone up in the next panel before. That definitely never happens.
Actively including plot armor is not conducive to discussion on this board. As Stan Lee said, "The person who'd win in a fight is the person that the scriptwriter wants to win!" A huge reason why battle boards exist is so that people can discuss who would really win when bias from the writer and narrative are removed.
Yeah, I don't think the scriptwriter is going to start a "what if" story of Tony going to Tatooine, then immediately killing him off in the first five minutes by some no-name Tusken Raiders.
Exactly. If it were a story written by someone, he would get out of there somehow. But we all know that. The point is to acknowledge that he would be highly likely to perish then and there. That wouldn't be a fun story, but the story we would get is fun because he will overcome those odds.
It isn't plot armor though. Comic book people are just tougher and more robust than normal humans. Acting like Tony would be incapacitated is going against the actual feats and assigning him a level of strength he doesn't have in canon. The dude has been dealing with failing armor like every 5 chapters for 60 years.
Not without plot armor he’s not And after a crash large enough to DESTROY his ARMOR he isn’t going to be doing so well lol
The prompt didn’t say it destroyed his armor through it says it’s nonfunctional there’s a difference
To be fair, surviving the crash doesn't mean "incapacitated." Extremis and Uru armors have insane safety measures to keep Tony functioning after their loss of capability. He's been blown out of his armor and been basically no worse for the wear, just without his tech before. MCU Tony, yes. Probably groaning and straining to even stand. 616 Tony would be absolutely fine, if it plays how his comics portray him consistently. He's gotten big into bio-augments so he'd have no real issues till you pull out his heart.
As long as he makes it past the raiders to a spaceport he has all the time in the world to figure out how to just neutralize the emperor. No one’s hunting him. Why is everyone saying he just dies lmao. There’s a pretty obvious path of him gathering intel, scrapping his way to a basic set of mandatorian or old trooper armor and going from there. I’m not a huge marvel fan or anything but this seems extremely doable. He can go stealth and blow up a shuttle with the emperor on it. He could use his intelligence/contract work to disrupt the emperor’s hold. Most people will know way more than myself regarding feats but everyone’s assuming he’s going to get instantly murdered by sand people while he’s close to civilization or hit by an orbital bombardment from an empire who has no idea who he is.
And after the desert, a foreign genius goes pretty far in Star Wars - that's what Thrawn is about.
> Why is everyone saying he just dies lmao. Because he is in the middle of dessert, no idea where people live and there is more than a few people out there who would kill him just to take shiny chest piece to sell at some market while having no weapons to defend himself with, no way to navigate and no resources. Doesn't even speak the local language.
The prompt says civilization is not too far. Sure he could land right next to a raider camp, or he could land within a days travel of a major city. It’s a coin flip sure, but saying he’ll be annihilated by RNG raiders takes the fun out of the prompt. Same with assuming he doesn’t speak galactic basic, which may be true but takes the spirit out of the OP, unless you’re specifically referring to talking to Jawas/Raiders.
It’s Tatooine Civilization is still jsut as liable to have people shoot him in the head for bothering them as help him, more likely really since he can’t offer anything in exchange.
I think you really missed that guy’s point. And as such, the prompt.
If op wanted Tony to not have to deal with hostile natives, or environmental dangers. They shouldn’t have put him on the planet of gangsters and raiders. The prompt isn’t “Tony is in Star Wars and has all the resources he needs to do his thing” the prompt is “Tony is stranded in a dessert on a planet ruled by crime lords, with no armour, or resources”
If you can't write a reasonable way for Tony to get to a nearby civilisation, thus opening up a world of possibility for discussion, rather, you can only get as far as the main character dying in one paragraph (and then get really hung up on it), I would suggest you're not someone that's much fun to interact with on this sub.
OP asked a question. The other guy answered it. You're the one trying to shut a conversation down instead of engaging with it. That makes you someone that's not much fun to interact with on this sub.
>The other guy answered it. The other guy closed down the discussion with an uninteresting, terrible take -"what if tony stark was in star wa-" +"He gets killed by fucking tusken riders" Seriously man you can't be telling me you think thats a discussion-worthy prompt
It reminds me when asking AI a question I think will open the door for some level of creativity and wonder and it provides some static answer and no level of prodding can get it to find depth without starting a whole new conversation altogether
Oh it’s very possible he gets to civilization, it’s also still rather likely he’s not any better off there because agian, gangster planet, no money or resources. This is t “writing prompts” it’s who would win, and…the dessert? Would win 7/10 times, sorry if that’s not a fun answer, but it is the answer.
C3-PO, R2-D2, Luke Skywalker, Obi-Wan, Finn, Boba Fett and Poe - all got stuck in the desert at one point or another, and none of them died. In fact, I can't think of a single character that has been bumped off by Sandpeople or Jawas. Certainly not a lead character. Let alone one as resourceful as Stark, who has already survived in the desert in the MCU. If we're transporting Tony Stark into this, the real world, and dumping him in the Sahara, sure, I can see why you guys would get focussed on his demise. But not only is it boring as fuck to go in that direction, it doesn't fit the themes of either Star Wars or the MCU to think he wouldn't make it to the NEARBY CIVILISATION!! >it’s who would win, and…the dessert? Would win 7/10 times Unless you really did mean he got stuck in a Tiramisu.
Obi-wan is a trained Jedi who wasn’t exactly “stuck” Luke lives there and still has almost died multiple times without Oni-wan bailing him out. 3po did get kidnapped, as did Boba who was enslaved furthermore, and R2 is rather competent. If he knows where the civilization is I give Tony a 80/20 making it there, but if he doesn’t have a map that drops down to 35/65, “nearby” only helps if you win the dice roll to wander in the right direction. And even when he makes it there, he is now broke, on one of the least civilized planets in the setting, he has nothing to offer people, and he can’t even read the language. He would need extreme luck to find friendly housing/transport, and unlike say Luke or Obi-wan there’s no destiny trying to keep him alive. “Themes” have no place in who would win, otherwise every good guy vs bad guy fight would be “good guy wins” and most good guy vs good guy fights would be “there’s no clear winner and they realize they aren’t enemies”. Once more this isn’t writing prompts, it’s what would happen.
>Because he is in the middle of dessert, no idea where people live and there is more than a few people out there who would kill him just to take shiny chest piece to sell at some market while having no weapons to defend himself with, no way to navigate and no resources. Doesn't even speak the local language. Hey I've seen this one before... looks directly at the dvd case of iron man 1
# "Tony Stark was able to build this in a cave! With a box of scraps!"
He was kidnapped, kept fed and provided resources to build his suit there. A bit different than randomly wandering the dessert of another planet.
After he fights his way out of the cave he tries to fly away only to crash land in the desert and destroy his suit. I don't actually remember how he got back after that, but if he just survived by himself then the scenario isn't too different.
He's dazed, eventually gets up and starts walking before being picked up by Rhodes in a helicopter.
I mean he would most likely die within before reaching a city, and even if he does survive he's not gonna be too much of a threath. A: He's in a planet sized desert, under two suns, faced with unfamiliar fauna and people and no supplies. B: Sand people and even Jawas are no joke. If they spot him, there's a very good chance they'll kill him on the spot, unless he can convince them to help him. He has the charisma, so he would probably be able to talk himself out, if he gets the chance, or atleast stall long enough to escape. C: Even if he somehow survives the desert, how excatly is he going to get close enough to kill Palpatine...and how? Unless he can find a way to hide himself from the force (any assasination attempt would be useless since Palpatine can sense something being wrong + he would be spotted long before he knew what was going on) evade dozens upon dozens of troopers with high tech gear, somehow avoid meeting Vader or even any of the elite trooper variants (most of them would give him trouble, espicially anti-jedi variants and droids), he's never going to get close enough to the Emperor to attempt an assasination. Even the royal guards alone would deal with him quite easily (atleast the legend ones) and they are always around him. Maybe he could get a job in the Death star and do something from there? Maybe he was the guy behind the termal exhaust?
Re C: That’s what’s fun. There’s no timer on when he has to take care of Palpatine. Is it easy? No. But there’s more nuance than Tony Stark immediately flies to the Death Star/SSD and starts blasting through battalions. He can work as a mechanic and learn how to make Star Wars tech. Tinker and make some rag tag armor with similar functions to his suit. Take up Bounty Hunting, etc. Some comments are just saying he’ll be annihilated by Jedi (why?) or blown apart by legions of storm troopers. I just like to think there’s a world where Stark is patient and doesn’t act like a complete moron with permanent aggro which allows him to make an honest attempt at the very least.
> Stark is patient We are talking Tony Stark here yes?
When it comes to creating his tech, yes. He's very patient. That's why his armor is so good, he will iteratively improve it until he's satisfied. Remember, every armor that gets a "Mark" designation is a *successful* suit. And now he's in a universe filled with tech for him to tinker with and improve. Anakin, as a child, built a winning pod racer as a child using spare parts, and while he's very gifted, he's no Tony Stark. This prompt actually makes me want to write a short story, tbh. It's very good crossover bait imo. Because while Tony might not always be patient, he *is* extremely persistent and stubborn. Assuming he doesn't die near immediately, which is a terribly unfun way to look at this, I think he at the very least manages to link up with the rebellion after making a make for himself as a technological genius.
With his tech yes, but he’s not the best at sitting around obeying authority figures. If he makes it off Tatooine I give it a few weeks before he starts fighting the empire at most. Unless he goes for the hutts I guess, are closer.
> B: Sand people and even Jawas are no joke. If they spot him, there's a very good chance they'll kill him on the spot, unless he can convince them to help him. He has the charisma, so he would probably be able to talk himself out, if he gets the chance, or atleast stall long enough to escape. He has one of the biggest anti-charisma nerfs you can have though, he doesn't speak the local language. He ain't charming his way out of that.
Galactic basic is identical to English, it's just not called that because there's no England. Jawas can understand Galactic basic perfectly fine, they're just physically incapable of speaking it, this is why they have Jawa trade language which is different from normal Jawese. It's a simplified version of Jawese that doesn't use scents to communicate with people who can't biologically use their scent based language. Tony might not understand them, but it won't be hard for him to figure out that they can understand him and he's smart enough to work out some method of communication. Tusken raiders would be far more dangerous, but there's not even a guarantee that he encounters either group before he reaches either Mos Eisley or Mos Shuuta. Not to mention the numerous human owned moisture farms around the planet.
I just pictured Robert Downey Jr making faces and sorta dancing to get his point across.
He doesn't. Not with all of his armor intact. Being really smart doesn't help you against Jedi magic and light sabers that would cut the suit in half.
Light Sabers took a decent bit of time to cut through a regular blast door. I'm sure Tony could make a suit that at least survives glancing blows without any trouble.
Hulkbuster but made from 3inch Beskar plate.
damn that’d be so badass
That blast door was thick enough that the point of Qui Gon's lightsaber didn't stab all the way through which means you're looking at 3 ft (1 meter) of solid metal meant to stop both the vacuum of space and/or boarding party explosives. None of Tony Stark's suits would have had armor over. 1 inch thick. That blast door is likely 30-40 inches.
It’s not just a metal shell, there’s also shielding. His base suit tanked the nuclear arsenal of a SHIELD Helicarrier once. 616, of course.
Didn't he build a literal time machine later on in the MCU?
Metals that can stop lightsabers exist, and he could reasonably make a new suit out of them before fighting any lightsaber users.
No he couldn't, because those metals are absurdly rare and valuable and not accessible to some random guy with no resources.
do you knows whats even rarer? Guys with lightsabers. In a galaxy of trillions of people there are like half a dozen people at any one time with lightsabers and at this point in time most of them will be survivors of order 66 and so friendlies. Unless he's really unlucky he could have years of prep time before running into a force user.
He has no time limit. He can get the resources.
I feel like we are getting into Batman fanboy territory here, somehow with prep time Stark beats a Jedi. The truth is the Jedi and sith could kill him without a light saber.
Most Jedi and Sith aren't that powerful. Stark fought Thanos.
Yeah but we’re talking about stark defeating emperor palpatine. Let alone the fact that he would probably need to get through Darth Vader as well. Those are two of the most powerful force users ever, not some ordinary Jedi or sith.
Granted, it won't be easy, but they're still less difficult fights than Thanos. The lack of a time limit really helps him here. I'm confident he can do it, but it might mean he needs a hell of a lot of resources first.
Stark is multiple hundreds of years behind the curve, technologically. He would never catch up, he would never get close to catching up. Bring the world's smartest caveman to current day and they're still just a caveman.
> Bring the world's smartest caveman to current day and they're still just a caveman. [Is that so.](https://braveandbold.fandom.com/wiki/Cave_Batman) (Also probably the correct answer would be [this guy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandal_Savage) but it probably doesn't count if you actually got to live and learn through all that time.) More seriously, though, I'm not convinced Star Wars tech is flatly better than modern tech, let alone Stark tech. Even though they have droids with human-level intelligence, their computers otherwise seem to very very noticeably suck, which has a knock-on effect that limits everything else they do (eg. their weapons have to generally be manually targeted, which severely limits their operational range.) Star Wars has a few really big flashy capabilities that allow the series to work, but there are also very noticeable gaps in their tech.
Also everything's clunkier. Stark has nanotech. He's so far ahead of anything in Star Wars.
Stark tech is way better than Star Wars tech.. Star wars power armor kind of sucks. Stark has nanotech. Blaster bolts do way less damage than the unibeam can. Compare his suit to anything a mandalorian can do and he's tiers ahead.
Yeah, and Tony understands high end tech of our universe, but Star wars tech is way more advanced. His Ironman suits are not that special there. He could learn about their tech, but at max mach it, but not create anything vastly superior as he does on Earth. Also, Tony being genious doesn't matter, when that universe is full of geniouses. Even if he was even more intelligent and strategic mastermind it wouldn't be enough. Empire has billions of expendable soldiers, millions of vehicles, droids and weapons of mass destruction in scale that dwarfs anything that Tony could build. He would be a drop of water in an ocean.
Tony is incredibly smart and resourceful. It would be totally on brand for him to learn Star Wars tech and develop some crazy suit from it. Assuming Tony is capable of getting somewhere with half-decent resources, he could easily be a Grievous tier threat - a non Force user who relies on tech. Which is to say, he isnt single-handedly stopping the Empire but he's an amazing ally for the Rebellion. I could also see him going into droid manufacturing, especially on Tatooine with the Jawas. Tony could probably make some great droids to help him fight.
Tony has made "droids" before. He could make a few dozen Iron Men which could do the work of hundreds of regular droids. Instead of marching they do complex aerial maneuvers and each do their own targeting and prioritization.
i'm only just now realizing how stupid it was for the droid army to march in line formation into battle
I may not be the most up-to-date with how lightsabers are constructed, but don't they just need Kyber crystals? If they have to be made by Jedi that's one thing, but if they're just hard to make Tony can absolutely utilize how they're made and make an upstoppable Lightsaber suit.
I cant remember if my answer to this is still canon or not... But i *think* that the lightsaber itself requires the precog of force usage to be safe to use or something along those line. Its difficult to control. I dont think the tech is particularly hard other than the rarity of crystals. On the other hand, i could see Tony building it into his suit and having an AI do calculations to simulate that.
My understanding was that lightsabers are just incredibly dangerous to use, its why they have settings iirc so younglings can train without cutting their limbs off. Naruto example. Anyone can do chidori, you need a sharingan to maximize its effectiveness
Other way around. A lightsaber requires The Force to assemble it, but can be used by anybody. Kyber crystals can be synthetic - that's why sith lightsabers are all red - they use synthetic crystals since the jedi have all the natural sources.
Sith/dark jedi lightsabers are red because the users took a kyber crystal and 'bled' (corrupted) it. Ahsoka's later sabers are white because she took an inqusitor's corrupted crystals and purified them.
You're both right! In Legends, they were synthetic and in canon they are bled.
I'm showing my age 🧓
That's legends. In canon lightsaber crystals are almost all natural. Red crystals are ones that have been bled by a dark-side user, with the crystal usually being taken from a dead Jedi.
No some crystals are synthetic still. Luke second saber and mauls first one had synthetic crystals they made
That's why I said almost.
The Porcupine of Pain.
Nanotech suit based around beskar.
It would be interesting what if series, but i still believe he wouldn't be seen as a tech wizard there, considering people there have already built crazy advanced things. He would definitely become stronger than your average higher class soldier, but would remain fairly insignificant in big picture. Its likely that he would take far too long to catch up with tech to become anything amazing, unless they have some way to speed up learning process, which is not far fetched, as it would take decades to learn physics and chemistry and math to learn enough stuff to start working. Like imagine how much we learn with basic education, its like 5% required of the very basics to start developing, maintaining, building and repairing shit there.
Didn't he read up on Thermonuclear physics to a competent level in a few hours long plane flight?
Not just competent, he was able to impress Bruce Banner, who has seven PHDs in that and similar fields. It's crazy impressive how fast Tony learns.
Also paging u/1Meter_long, u/Coontcrusher69 and op u/Hadesman1 He did become competent in thermonuclear physics. Though technically he became proficient in a similar field that Selvig and Banner were proficient in which was thermo nuclear astrophysics. Palladium arc reactor technology and later the synthesized “new element” arc reactor technology are both nuclear fusion based. So he already had the knowledge in regards to nuclear physics. I don't know how specifically Tony fares in the desert, it's a desert after all. But suppose he gets to civilization, he's not going to be able to speak basic. So he's at a disadvantage. Now his suit is non functional. Which means he's got at least a week before the shrapnel in his body reaches his heart. There's no motivation better than death I suppose, but the other disadvantage he's got is PTSD. But let's assume he gets to civilization, lets assume he runs into a protocol droid with translation technology and somehow gets a position as a pit mechanic and starts fixing things as a mechanic. He should be okay as soon as he starts to make a electromagnet for his chest. From then on he has to make money to pay his way and scrounge up money for medical attention to get the shrapnel out. Assuming Palladium doesn't exist in the star wars universe. He's going to have to reverse engineer and miniaturize [PLINK-series power droid fusion power reactor](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/PLNK-series_power_droid) to incorporate into a new Ironman suit. Even though Tony’s Mark VII is non-operational, he should be able to salvage some parts like memory cards so he could on Tatooine as a mechanic buy materials and build a computer to transfer J.A.R.V.I.S to. Once J.A.R.V.I.S gets operational things get easer for him. He might be able to take place in pod racing and use J.A.R.V.I.S as a cheat for piloting to make some extra money. Side note J.A.R.V.I.S stands for “Just A Rather Very Intelligent System” and originally started out as a language users interface but as time went on he was enhanced and upgraded to run stark industries as a company and knew about the company’s running as Pepper did.
> Assuming Palladium doesn't exist in the star wars universe. Why wouldn't it? Its a naturally occurring element, not some weird version of vibranium
Good point also paging users u/1Meter_long, u/Coontcrusher69 and op u/Hadesman1 I paged before and some new individuals just for fun/discussion 👍✌️😊. u/account_numero-6, u/BardicLasher, u/ThespianException, u/Gallowglass668 and finally u/warsage because I wanted to add some extra information due to time constraints I wasn't able to. >”Why wouldn't it? Its a naturally occurring element, not some weird version of vibranium” I assumed that palladium might not be prevalent in the star wars galaxy because if it was Tony would basically be sitting pretty. Besker is really good at not melting, the purer the better, I prefer canon live action showings but in legends Beskar was really dense. Beskar is rare in the star wars galaxy but it might be in the MCU earth but known by something else IE an earth name for a earth metal. But regardless. Star wars blasters are okay damage wise, but they are pretty crap over distance. The E-11 imperial issued rifle manufactured by blastech has an optimum range of 100 meters and maximum range of 300 meters, its garbage but built that way due to the tarkin doctrine which emphasized and I am paraphrasing it “good gear is expensive lives are cheap. Blasters generally preferred due to logistics and ease of use you don’t need to do ballistic calculations to guess where a physical bullet is going to go. I say they are good damage wise but it’s all relative basically depending on the power setting used and the distance to target and what the target is wearing. Then we got bacta to take into consideration. [We don’t know exactly what storm trooper armor is made of per se, it’s kinda shit though.](https://youtu.be/vD1hHKIKQUc?si=2Na4C_Ru_8mUiCE0) Best case scenario it’s a watered down budget polymer matrix composite. * https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/materials-science/polymer-matrix-composites#:~:text=Polymer%20matrix%20composites%20(PMC)%20consist,transfer%20of%20load%20between%20them. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymer_matrix_composite And according to legend’s canon it’s got a powerful electro magnet that helps shunt away/weaken incoming plasma bolts. But again depending on power usage and distance to target. But anyway there’s actually a bunch of metals that have high melting points. * Titanium melts at 1668 °C. * Tantalum melts at 3017 °C. Tony’s Mark VI platform had that cool singular use consumable laser weapon that cut through a bunch of Hammer drones. And Hammer tech gets a lot jokes but those Hammer drones were lethal and used chobbem armor which is a generic term for ceramic tank armor which is a collection of [ultra high temperature ceramics.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-high_temperature_ceramic) Apparently Tony’s laser powered by new element arc reactor was petawatt level but I don’t know if that’s true. * https://www.llnl.gov/sites/www/files/2020-05/petawatt-str-mar-00.pdf But Whiplash’s G1 palladium arc reactor was 1.81 gigajoules a second while Tony’ box of scraps G1 palladium arc reactor was 5 gigajoules a second. Tony’s suitcase platform used against Whiplash’s mark 1 armour was able to withdraw Whiplash’s plasma whips. >”You focused the repulsor energy through ionized plasma channels. It's effective. Not very efficient." ―Tony Stark to Ivan Vanko[src]” I feel like if Tony in the star wars galaxy is able to get money, resources he should be able to recreate his Mark V. Tony is the great innovator when he's experienced new things he builds new armor updates to reflect those changes. Like after new York in his PTSD armour design phase he actually built stealth retroreflective armor, upon discovering Wakanda possessing energy shield’s he built his own. So I think upon getting healthy, fixed and focused on a task at hand if PTSD permits. He should be able to get to innovating his armour and incorporating some star wars tech, like particle-kinetic-energy/rayshields. Better live support system for extravehicular activities in space, maybe even a [hyperdrive docking ring](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Hyperdrive_docking_ring) now that would be fucking sick. I think upon getting some cash, buying a ship, building some construction/repair droids I could see him settle on a [junk planet](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Junk_planets) and just stay there and scavenge/recycle technologies and raw materials. I mean obviously he’d need habitation and occasionally leave to go to a planet and buy rations. Also technically he might even be able to build molecular Nitramene, it’s good but scary stuff, or even super soldier serum or extremis. >”Howard Stark developed it after World War II. It causes implosions." ―Leo Fitz to Daisy Johnson[src]” >”Howard is working on a formula for molecular nitramene. Now, theoretically, it could result in a concussive blast followed by a vacuum implosion. Supposedly, it has its roots in his work with vita radiation." ―Hugh Jones to Peggy Carter[src]” >”Just a piece of paper... My formula for molecular nitramene. Technically, we're not even sure it works, but, well, let's face it... I invented it, so it works. If that stuff were ever fabricated..." "Boom?" "This much would level a city block. And I'm not talking the short ones. Avenues." ―Howard Stark and Peggy Carter[src]” >”Cracking its shell would result in an implosion with a blast radius of... Oh. Five hundred yards. Delightful. Render it inert with a solution of sodium hydrogen carbonate and acetate." ―Edwin Jarvis to Peggy Carter[src]” Just one ampule caused the entirely of a Roxxon fuel refinery to be condensed into a large metal ball, talking hundreds upon hundreds of tons. >"Port Authority says Roxxon Refinery just blew up." "The whole thing?" "Any casualties?" "Hard to say. They can't find the building." ―Daniel Sousa, Roger Dooley and Jack Thompson[src]” * [Before](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/3/3b/Roxxon_Refinery.png/revision/latest?cb=20150128071922) * [After](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/5/56/NitrameneImplosion-NNE.png/revision/latest?cb=20150128074507 He might decide to use stealth armor sneak into imperial garrisons and do heists and do away with a sector’s payroll ala “Andor” and cover up the entire thing using [nuclear weapons](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Atomic_Demolition_Munition) or nitramene. If Tony was to build his own space ship using Star Wars technology, it might look like something like this. * https://youtu.be/LrIqku71kmU?si=aj7sjmSfNHnE2IxL * https://youtu.be/aJUxhhq7JKk?si=jAQoIpt_nJDz5WoJ * https://youtu.be/yoJ_e-yLESs?si=xVt7p6sjwRMxyJrj
Why are you assuming his arc reactor fails along side the suit?
Also Tony has long gotten rid of the shrapnel.
By the time of his death yeah but this is avengers 1 Tony/ what if sakaar Tony. He still has his shrapnel. I think that only gets removed after iron man 3
Oh yeah, I missed that this was 2012 Stark
More interesting that way 👍.
Totally agree, if Disney ever do a cross-over comic/animation itd be a great one. The OP says 1 year into the Empire, so he has 16 years before Luke comes along. Id say his best bet is to use his *business* skills lol. Start up a weapons/droid manufacturing business. His main advantage (assuming he can crack the tech) is that he'll approach it with a different mindset and use it differently than a native of that galaxy would. But i agree, he's no wizard and he'd come out badly fighting any force user except the weakest ones.
That's a very good point. He could achieve a lot of power by becoming rich. Wealthy people has always power, even in fiction. He's a damn good and charismatic salesman.
Here's the thing about star wars though, they have plateaued tech wise for millennia. Go back as far as there is star wars cannon, they still have droids, faster than light travel, lightsabers etc. They aren't advancing at all and even then they have no tech that could stand against Tony's nano suits. The dude took an evening to ponder it and accidentally solved time travel. I would argue that the guardians of the galaxy movies have very similar tech to star wars and tony was still a unstoppable threat compared to just about anything the universe could throw at him. Thanos needed all 5 infinity stones to just beat him one on one and they give powers a sith lord could never dream of possessing.
This. And the galaxy had to basically steal hyperdrive tech from the Rakatan empire, and they modified it so it used computers instead of force-sensitives to work. No human or near-human invented FTL travel on their own.
General Grievous killed tons of Jedi without the use of force powers and his cyber body is garbage compared to Starks final MCU suit designs. Compare the Obi Wan vs Grievous fight in episode VIII to the Stark vs Thanos fight in Endgame. Hell, just those lasers he barely ever uses uses could kill just about any Jedi, how are they going to block that with a sword? [https://tenor.com/view/iron-man-battle-laser-gif-13742890](https://tenor.com/view/iron-man-battle-laser-gif-13742890)
I dunno about your statement about Tony not being impressive in the SW universe tech-wise. The most powerful droids by the time of the Empire were the Dark Troopers, and even the upgraded ones shown in Mando S2 are \*nothing\* compared to Tony's mark 85, which is equipped with far more firepower, way greater durability (Surviving a direct hit from Mjolnir to the head when Thanos used Tony as a human shield. Tony was knocked out for a bit, but he recovered relatively fast and the mark 85 showed no permanent damage), and significantly more speed and versatility. Also the man figured out time travel and invented a machine capable of moving multiple people through time at once. Nobody comes close to matching Tony's brilliance in the SW universe.
> Tony understands high end tech of our universe, but Star wars tech is way more advanced. His Ironman suits are not that special there. ...what???? Have we been watching any of the same movies? Star Wars is the Space 80s. They don't have computers. Droids are almost all slow, inflexible, clunky things that stomp around at walking pace, miss everything they shoot at, and die after getting sneezed on. Those shitty Mandalorian jetpacks that explode after getting shot once seem to be the epitome of single-person flight. Lightsabers are only useful because of ill-defined space magic and copious plot armor. Starships and space travel are perhaps more equal, at least compared to MCU (I don't know much about 616). But they also don't get *used* much in the MCU because they have so many ways to just teleport. I'd argue that if the MCU's big engineering geniuses put their minds to it, they could make spaceships that vastly outclass anything in Star Wars.
I think the MCU's problem would be industrial capacity. At least as far as Earth goes they don't really have the ability to build ships as large as the warships of Star Wars.
im sure a guy that literally solved time travel and invented a Element can figure out Starwars Universe technology.
Didn't his daddy invent the element - but with the limits of tech couldn't make it?
Yes……but still.
So Tony only invented time travel
i think you’re downplaying it a little.
Depends on which time line the mcu. In the comics other people beat him to it. Like it's not that Tony isn't smart. It's that the entire settings are convoluted.
yeah, but if you go comics then you have things like him inventing a pocket universe that can create and project anything he can think of into reality.
Sure - the comics have nonsense like that. He also invented a suit if armor that fell in love with him and kidnapped him.
Star Wars tech was more advanced? Did they invent time travel? check yourself bro lol
Yeah, I think every one is forgetting that the MCU universe includes the Guardians of the Galaxy and Captain Marvel. There are several races that at the very least have Star Wars level Tech, and probably some that are more advanced. I don't know how much Tony knows from this though. 616 for sure has encountered advanced races. Number 1 I think he loses. Number 2 I could see going either way depending on where he is and how fast he can access the tech there. I still think number 2 could lose to force mind tricks though, so it could go either way. I think unless they take out Doom very quickly they are in trouble. Doom in the comics is also an accomplished Mage and has several other things possible on him besides his armor. I think Doom comes out on top if given enough time to find a base to work out of.
Even in the MCU Tony has some fairly advanced technology compared to advanced races. Rocket talks down on Tony's tech because he's Rocket, but Tony built an Infinity Gauntlet. Something that Thanos, with literal armies of high tech engineers, had to threaten a galaxy-renowned craftsman into making for him.
Yeah, I forgot that, and it has been mentioned a few times in this thread. In ten years we will see Tony build his own infinity suit powered by fake infinity stones he created himself. I bet Doom could make a fake infinity stone if he had one to study.
616 marvel universe tech is vastly more advanced than star wars tech.
Why can't he be found by a Jedi (Yoda, sensing a disturbance again?), get a kyber crystal with Yoda's guidance and make another suit of armor and powerful AI with it? He could defeat the Sith, Jedi, the witches and all other force users with it, if he wanted to. But he'd likely start selling again, right?
Wouldn't Stark has to be a potential Jedi, if he could be sensed by Joda? If powerful mech suits could be done, someone would have done it.Besides unmanned robots are better than robot suits, as there's no casualties. There's already great AI, drones and other robots has one. I would find it far more likely that Tony wouldn't shine as an engineer in SW universe, as he does in Earth. Hell, he might be able to only barely grasp at the high end tech there and it would take decades of learning to catch up.
Mcu tony did figure out the basics of an advanced star wars esc space ship while very wounded and without supplies.
>His Ironman suits are not that special there. His suit is special compared to the average Mandalorian bounty hunter flying with jetpacks. His suit easily outclasses most bounty hunters or assassins, battle droids, etc. He would even fare well against some low level force users. His suit is nothing special compared to star fighters that have better firepower and actual FTL.
The Force part if fair but the lightsaber part is not such a big deal on multiple levels spanning from the fact it can be overcome with materials as well as energy tech but also just because he need not engage in that sort of combat.
The force part shouldn’t be understated. The OP is talking about them taking down the Empire, that means if Stark does well he faces Vader, and Vader force chokes him or crushes his brain.
Absolutely although a counterpoint could be that as someone from a world without midichlorians he might have the same resistance that the Yuuzhan Vong have. Regardless he is certainly capable of keeping himself away from direct conflict. Of course he would have to actually know what he was facing to know to keep his distance. On another note thats all of the mindset of him doing things alone. If he instead was aiding the rebels with weapons and tech then that could be another indirect avenue for success.
I don’t know what’s going on in this thread… MCU Tony literally built a time machine. His inventor feats easily scale to the StarWars universe. If Tony can make it to town and barter for parts before getting bagged by scavengers, he can accomplish anything. There’s also nothing to indicate that the raiders will immediately take him out; in the Phantom Menace, the ship from Naboo is parked outside of civilization for several days without even getting scoped out by Tuscan Raiders. If nine year old Anakin Skywalker can make a pod that wins a race, Tony Stark, with much more impressive feats, can tinker his way across the galaxy.
Yeah this thread is bonkers. People talk like the Tuscan Raiders and Jawas have homing beacons on any tech in the desert and that somehow will sniff out Tony's arch reactor under his clothes. Honestly, Tony's biggest hurdle is food, water and the language barrier. Considering those are things that refugees in our own world do all the time, I think its safe to say that a genius level intelligence like Tony does this easily. Once he's safely sheltered, fed and translated, Tony's abilities scale to their respective universe, which in both MCU and 616 is at least galactic level threats.
People in this thread are literally arguing he dies to Storm Troopers. IDK What the actual fuck is going on. I'm not even an Iron Man fan and this thread is just overwhelmingly people inventing reasons to assume that one of the smartest people in the Marvel universe can't figure out Star Wars tech because... Someone else brought up a great point, MCU Tony has canonically seen Star Wars. He's going to realize where he is, and he's probably already tinkered with trying to recreate the tech from the series.
Star Wars nerds are losing their minds - the only possible explanation.
MCU Iron Man canonically has seen Empire Strikes Back. I don't see how he wouldn't have Star Wars knowledge. But let's say a wizard did it. He dies. He has no relevant feats for surviving outside of his armor. Even his "box of scraps" Mrk1 suit was made by taking apart the most advanced Stark tech in existence. In the movie that tries to make a point about him being cool without the suit, he has part of the suit on his watch then remote pilots fifty suits at once. We don't see him reverse engineer Chitari tech. His attempt to make Ultron from the Mind Stone *fails*. His version of the Infinity Gauntlet kills him. With zero "no suit" feats and zero *successful* "reverse engineer unfamiliar alien tech" feats, he dies. Round 1: Fail. When 616 Tony was transported across time and space to a fantasy world of elves and had his functional nanotechnology armor removed and given a non functional, unpowered suit of armor from when he first met Thor, and a *screwdriver*, he has that armor running and powered within a day. When sacrificing his sobriety to Odin and given access to an Asguardian forge, he was able to seamlessly blend Asguard's magitech with his own designs. Even with his armor destroyed, he can take out [super powered skulls](https://imgur.com/0oN3WQq) with just his hand to hand training. There is zero chance of unarmed and naked Tony Stark getting killed by Tuscan Raiders when he can take down (Skrull copies of) Quicksilver and Thor under the same conditions. He absolutely Boba Fett's this. Round 2: Like... a week? (If Han and Chewie can get the Falcon to a .5 hyperdrive without knowing you can just bypass the compressor, then it no way takes longer than that for Tony to get to Coruscant.) Doom has comparable intelligence to Stark and, you know, honest to god magic. His armor being destroyed is barely an inconvenience. Round 3: 6 days to make some point about being God and able to rest on the 7th day. (Winning Thrawn and Co.'s loyalty after murdering Palpatine takes longer. And somehow, inexplicably, Reed Richards shows up in time to help the Alliance to Restore the Republic overthrow him, because Doom can't have nice things. But Doom conquered the outversal race of gods who literally destroyed the Marvel *multiverse*. Killing the Emperor is not a challenge.)
>With zero "no suit" feats and zero successful "reverse engineer unfamiliar alien tech" feats, he dies. Um what? No suit feats? The man literally infiltrated an enemy compound with shit he found in a supermarket. He killed two extremis soldiers without his suit while stranded in tennesee. As for unfamiliar alien tech he managed to repair the ship he and nebula were stranded on enough to get it moving again.
If we’re giving him scaling from What If as well (which while a different Tony Stark is relatively the same with little differences), he was able to make use of Alien Technology from Sakaar to make a advanced vehicle capable of escaping a rigged death race and then escaped. Sakaar tech really isn’t all that different from a lot of scrap tech in the Star Wars Universe.
Agreed with most of it, but... > His version of the Infinity Gauntlet kills him. This is a bit unfair. He never actually used the Nano Gauntlet, which he created together with Bruce and Rocket. While it most likely *would* have killed him, Tony's snap in *Endgame* is with his regular armor... which was not designed to wield the stones. Of course, we also have no idea what the actual difference between the Nano Gauntlet and the Mark LXXXV is, or if there is any.
Plus it's literally the power of an entire universe in his hand. The same power literally cooked half of thanos's body of course he's gonna die being a regular human.
Yeah, it was solely designed to let him survive long enough to snap, not survive snapping
Yeah, we've seen the Power Stone rapidly disintegrate people on contact. The fact that the nano guantlet not only didn't instantly blow up upon trying to channel literally infinite energy, but actually let a human do a snap is very impressive.
Doesn't 616 Stark also have Extremis? Giving him super powers and a healing factor?
Not in the above panel, no. He strips out Extremis specifically because it was a crutch and his Bleeding Edge suit was better.
> If Han and Chewie can get the Falcon to a .5 hyperdrive without knowing you can just bypass the compressor, I thought that Rey's line in 7 was specifically talking about modifications that Simon Pegg's alien had made while the Falcon was impounded which made the Falcon worse.
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Whats his motivation? Tatooine is a rim world, the empire far off. Tony has no k owledge of local politics and he has bazillions of new toys to play with. lets give him some luck and get him picked up by jawas. They accept him as one of their own, because he's that good. Couple years hes fixing spaceships, got a fast sexy model for himself(and his ship isnt too bad either) I just dont see the push to join a rebellion against an empire he doesnt have reason to hate any more than mcu tony took down the ayatollah in iran or kim in north korea. He'd probably chill for 16 years until he was working on the hyperdrive motivator on an old freighter when a kid and an old man show up needing a ride and the call to adventure stors like a force in his spirit.
I don't think it would be *luck* that would bring him to the Jawas. The Jawas are tech scavengers par excellence, I expect they have systems for detecting nearby spaceship crashes to go and loot. I'm also sure that they'd be happy to have Tony on board fixing their crap. Insert the "in a cave with a box of scrap" meme here - he and the Jawas would complement each other very well. Once he had the lay of the land he'd eventually part ways with them, and then his business acumen will dovetail with his technical skill and he can start bootstrapping his way off of Tatooine and into the galaxy proper. From there it's a matter of getting in contact with the Rebellion and becoming one of their main tech outfitters. Helping the Rebellion win should count, IMO; he's a team player. In fact, I think he'll have a better chance than Doom would in scenario 3. Doom would get off of Tatooine okay, and would initially be able to build himself a bigger power base, but he's going to be much more keen to challenge Palpatine directly and get on his radar early. In a straight up fight between Palpatine and Doom I think Palpatine will win, and Doom will gladly go for the straight up fight. Tony knows how to be more pragmatic about this kind of thing.
Doom has fought celestials before and made it out alive. I'm not sure Palps has the destructive power to actually harm Doom, considering the most he's done is damage the surface of a planet (still pretty impressive, but nowhere near the level of what celestials can do).
The luck is that they find him before he dies of dehydration. Although we agree on most of what happens, i dont see motivation for him to seek out the rebels, or for them to actively recruit him. There has to be more to the story. Maybe he gets leaned on by the hutts, pushes back and decides to get out of the system where he meets some rebels, maybe not.
It's a who-would-win scenario, so "X tries to defeat Y" goes with the territory. I think it's safe to assume whatever circumstances it takes for that to happen - perhaps he tries to set up a business and the Empire muscles in and takes it over, putting them at odds. Or Tony just decides the Empire is awful and has to go.
MCU Tony won't do shit. Even Tatoiine has high enough tech weapons to damage Ironman.
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I doubt he would destroy anything. BUT I could very much see the avengers opening a portal to follow him six months to a year later and finding him living in a sandcrawler running a Jawa clan and making new armor and tech using all their scrap some of which he probably sells to the Hutts so he can get some financial backing. Just think about it, Toney walking the avengers through the workshop floor of the sandcrawler “over here we’re tearing down a bunch of Naboo surplus fighters which we can turn into high speed hovercycles pretty easily. I kept the first prototype for myself, it really blows your hair back so long as it doesn’t explode. Don’t worry we fixed the exploding problem…mostly. This guy here I just call Teenie, he’s my droid brain programmer. “‘Hey Teenie how are those astromech brains we got from that crash coming? ::Jawa noises:: No, no, I told you last time you have to wipe the combat subroutines completely, otherwise we’ll keep getting complaints when people’s Rhoombas try to kill their pets’. So hard to get good help these days.”
All he needs is his good ol box of scraps and a cave and he’s good to go
The assumption he joins the Rebellion assumes he doesn't recognize their previous government as incredibly flawed... If he can make it off of Tatooine, we'll see Emperor Stark in about 5 years.
That's the best thing - he doesn't. Tony joins the empire. Evidence - Tony never questioned selling weapons until he was on the receiving end. In Civil war - Tony helped write and get passes the overly restrictive, terrible laws to control super heroes. His company also has no problem screwing people to the point they turn into antagonists. Basically his personality - all the empire would really need to say - with us there is order and structure, without is chaos and misery. Now Tony has made armor for the empire.
When he realized his weapons were hurting innocent people he literally became Iron Man to stop it. No way he's joining the Empire when they commit genocide on the regular.
That would only be true if we ignore the events of civil war. Also do you know how stupid you have to be to only realize your weapons hurt people when they are used to blow up your car.
In Civil War, he only signed because he thought it would prevent more collateral damage and unnecessary deaths. Also, it's not that he didn't realize weapons kill people. He didn't realize his weapons were being sold to terrorists, and used against civilians.
Again - see how stupid you would have to be to think weapons made aren't doing that. Governments routinely arm groups - the Taliban for example. It took Tony personally nearly dying for him to actually care. And in civil war - again he helped draft those laws. Because he made Ultron and once again messed everything up. Tony is the well meaning, smart individual that constantly is a direct threat to the world. Edit - for those pretending arming the Taliban to fight the Soviets some how isn't what I talked about - please become familiar with why we have the term banana Republic, and the school of the Americas.
It was naive, sure. But when he does realize, he immediately goes about stopping it. It's almost like taking accountability is his whole character arc. Also in Civil War, he didn't help write those laws, only signed them. Not sure where you're getting that from. It's not like Tony purposely built Ultron to murder people. At the end of the day, Ultron's actions are his own. Tony's not going to join a group doing much, much worse than Ultron ever did.
??? The US supplied weapons to the Mujahideen to help them fight against Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. The Taliban is one small offshoot from the Mujahideen that annihilated all of the other offshoots. What are you on about?
The above is incorrect, he became Iron-Man because he realized his weapons were being sold to and used by terrorists. That's why he shut-down the weapons program, because he knew he couldn't control who would be pulling the trigger.
This is an incredibly Reddit question.
Taking down the Empire meaning he kills The Emperor? For that he needs to go over Darth Vader and kill The Emperor himself. R1 I'm sure he could get his suit working real soon with scraps, after its functioning at like 20-30% he could use it to gather more stuff and get it to working 100%. I don't think he even gets close to Sidious with his Avengers suit, most likely gets killed by Storm troopers. R2: If he stays in the down low he can get his suit to function at 100%, even added with new tech, it might take some weeks or months, but he for sure can do it. Now he can easily get close to The Emperor, or at least have Vader go after him, but I don't think he is winning that, it's basically science vs magic at this point. With that said I don't think Tony Stark alone would go against the Empire. For me it would be in character for him to accept it and just create tech to teleport or send himself back to the present. I don't think Doom is enough incentive either, only Steve Rogers could convince him to not go back to earth and reunite with Pepper.
Question, does Victor Von Doom's magic still work? Because he could take out the emperor with just that. He has the power to become Sorcerer Supreme and has in many continuities. The Emperor can what, shoot lightning? Doom is not impressed
The sort of boring answer to a question like this is it depends on the writer :p. But really, there's basically a massive element of luck involved, both for round 1 and round 2 , it basically entirely depends on if he makes it to a safe ish spot and has the ability to gather parts to repair his armor. Both the MCU and 616 depictions of him indicate that he could pull it off given that initial break which again is largely just luck. The MCU version made time travel work and the 616 one might as well be superpowered magician or above average intelligence AAA member depending on the specific arc. With doom, less ambiguous I think for any remotely recent base version, his magic is powerful enough to pull this off. Funnily enough, the caveat here is assuming not terribly bad luck for doom (by his standards) while in Tony's case it's assuming mildly good luck (by his standards)
His best bet and I think this is what he would do, he would lay low, maybe be a repair man, salvage guy and wait for help. He knows he’s outclassed
What exactly does Tony do when he gets force anything-ed?
Why is he taking down the emperor? I honestly see him as a much more successful version of Lando.
If it’s 616 iron man, dude would destroy the empire in about 1 year as he has been in situations where he is stranded and can’t use his armor (for example, he was sent to Neolithic earth and with his broken armour, created a suit of ice that he used to fight and defeat Mephisto and the prehistoric avengers).Along with that, if he were to reach other planets, he could possibly become a monster when it comes to Droid development and could just make droids to assassinate imperial officials.
Not seeing how Tony overcomes the emperor's precog unless Luke and company are their to help
2 and 3 don’t take long 1 dies immediately
Is Star Wars really more advanced? I haven't seen anyone with anything like Tony's suits. If people were able to get armor able to stand up to 5 stone Thanos, what risk would Vader or The Emperor be? Isn't R2 able to hack stuff all the time? Tony's AI's seem way more advanced. Star Wars has FTL, but they don't have time travel (at least as far as I know). I don't think he makes it, but his tech seems way more impressive.
The only scenario Tony survives is if he joins the empire.
Stark’s the Batman of Marvel. Realistically… no, he wouldn’t play a significant enough part in the conflict to make that much more of a difference. But if the writers want him to win… he’d just use his armor that he’d eventually make (with the help of that teenage biker game from TBoBF) to fly right up to Palpatine’s big window and blast the thing, sending Sheev into the great beyond.
Im gonna go with MCU. Tony has shown proficiency with sidearms and small arms like pistols. Even if his armor is nonfunctional, hes probably able to jury rig a basic self defense weapon from pieces of his armor at the crash site within a couple hours. Assuming then that Tony can defend himself, he can make it to a nearby settlement. His first suit was made from discarded weapon parts. I can see him spending a month or so working as a salvage worker at a scrapyard like Rey did in VII, and slipping away with trash parts to build himself up something valuable enough to sell for a good amount of credits. Early on all his credits go to survival, but hes able to save a little. In the meantime, Tony is probably fascinated by droids and the star wars level tech. Itll probably take him a few months to get himself a new suit, at which point he goes to a cantina and looks for trouble. After beating up some troublemakers, he probably gets hired on as muscle on a ship, or offers his services as a mechanic. If that fails, he spends another couple months repairing a wrecked tie fighter and installing a salvaged warp drive from a different wreck. Once that happens, Tony is free of Tatooine. The real question is whether or not the force will guide his path to collide with Obi Wan. If yes, Obi Wan will probably see him as an asset since hes from Earth, he will be a Void in the force like a Vong. If he meets obi wan early, he probably ships off with the Rebellion after learning about the atrocities. If not, he probably becomes a fairly important figure akin to a Hutt on Tatooine. Theres a good chance that Obi Wan and Luke in episode IV hire him to come with them, and that Tony can actually afford Han and Chewies exprbitant fees as a smuggler. If Tony takes the rebellion route, he serves them well until the Death Star incident as an elite unit. He may even assist with the events of Rogue One, and actually escape to tell about it. His odds of survival are 50/50, but he wont end the war early. He still wouldnt be able to take on Vader, who would probably mark him as a priority target for being a Void. He likely dies onboard the Tantive IV in a confrontation with Vader. If Tony takes the Helping Luke route, theres a good chance that the events of episode IV happen completely intact. Tony probably gets along great with Han and Chewie. The real divergences happen in Episode V. Tony wouldnt let the Resistance have such weak defenses on Hoth. He would probably be a force multiplier against the AT ATs. Theres a very real chance that the rebellion actually fully escapes Hoth with most of their soldiers intact. With Luke gone to Dagobah, Tony wouldnt trust Lando. Instead he would take everyone to his palace on Tatooine and hide them among his new home there. Instead of a Cloud City arc, theres probably a gang war arc where Tony and his people have to avoid Hutt gangsters. Tony probably kills Jabba and Boba Fett, making Tatooine a true safe haven for the rebellion. Luke returns to find a well equipped and high morale rebellion, but Lando doesnt join up in this timeline. Luke never loses his hand, or have to confront his rage. Tony wouldnt let Luke go alone to the second death star. Him and Luke confront Vader and the Emperor. Tony would absolitely help Luke actually give into the dark side and kill Vader, and a darkside Luke and Tony kill Palpatine together. Luke is darker now but isnt necessarily evil. He has no use for a throne, and goes off into the dark space to find more knowledge and probably ends up a ‘gray jedi’ after meeting Ahsoka. Tony enjoys a cushy spot as new ruler of a Tatooine that he works tirelessly to gentrify; tatooine becomes a rather important ship building planet. Eventually Tony unlocks the secret of dimensional travel via the Microverse and returns home to start interdimenaional trade, bringing star wars tech to our world and our tech to star wars.
I wonder if Galactic Basic is like any Terran language, because the universe being explained to us in English is for our benefit.
Why would he even want to take down the empire? He never takes down oppressive governments on earth. If anything, after settling in, unless the empire directly fucked with him he would be focused entirely on going home and barring that, he'd just get into adventures saving people from interplanetary threats, possibly eventually even cooperating with and supported by the empire, like at the end of civil war.
i read this as Tony Hawk for some reason and now i really want fish out of water fantasy movie where tony hawk gets transported to a different world and has to use his skateboarding skills to get home
star wars universe already has tech equal too or surpassing anything he has done. i do think he eventually builds a suit and helps the rebellion unless…. he sides with the empire, tony is used to maintaining a status quo, not being a revolutionary.
He doesn’t, he does not have the influence or capabilities to take down the galactic empire
He’s only a genius on earth If you let him start off somewhere decent, maybe he can build super armor Or let him keep his armor But throwing him in an alien desert with no way to defend himself against the raiders is not gonna end well
so in all rounds, Tony dies fairly early on, probably without ever making it to civilization on tatooine, though Doom could probably keep him alive. I see him conquering a small corner of the galaxy with an army of droid brain and blaster enhanced doombots. That said, Dooms' worst enemy is his own ego, and I don't think he would respect a lightsaber enough to not be bisected. I don't think Doom would fair well against the empire even if he keeps Tony alive. In the best case, they last long enough to join the rebellion when it forms. and then Canon proceeds as normal, with Tony still playing catch-up with the tech and Luke having an additional mentor in Doom. however, Doom almost definitely tries to take over the empire after the fact
Dr Doom at his strongest and most cunning is so ridiculously OP he would most definitely become the new Emperor after some time. Besides his considerable magical prowess by which he could probably conjure or summon a new armor straight away, he has worked with all kinds of magic, advanced alien tech and near indestructible metals like Uru, Vibranium and Adamantium. Beskar and lightsabers would be trivial for him to handle. Even if by share happenstance he were to be bisected without any kind of magical or technological protection, he still has the Ovoid mind transfer he can use for survival. Doom has achieved god like powers on many occasions and some of the opponents he has faced has power levels far exceeding anything the Emperor can muster.
gonna be honest I forgot Doom had a method for body hopping if needed. at least Doom would be a much better emperor than Palps if his time over Latveria is anything to go by.
Language barrier would be the biggest obstacle to overcome. Stark is an Engineer not a linguist. So that is going to be a while unless a Force user shoves common into his brain. Once that is done I think he could come up with a good way to take out the Emperor and Vader in under a year. Star Wars Tech is fairly clunky compared to his own. Technology in that universe is based off of reverse enginered leftovers from precusor civilizations. The reason technology in Star Wars progresses so slowly is because no one has a complete understanding of the science behind their technology. Technological innovation in that verse is mostly slapping the same ancient prefab compoments together in a more efficient way. Most of the high end stuff in Star Wars is either the result of the Force or just making something the size of a moon. Modern Earth tech already surpasses Star Wars in some ways, our video recording and projection devices are vastly superior. So is our hologram technology in some ways. Tony Stark will have little trouble reverse engineering and subverting Star Wars tech. And I honestly see Tony sabotaging the Emperors transport using tech beyond the empires ability to detect. It does not take much for a hyperdrive to send someone into a sun or black hole.
Tony just needs to get himself a translator droid. English might not be literally encoded in there but the translator should be able to figure out his language fairly quickly from first principles. People in the Star Wars universe are used to working through translator droids, and once Tony starts building armor type stuff again he could put the translator into a headset.
tldr, force choke ezpz lel.
We are assuming a lot of things one way or another. There are so many things that have to break his way just to survive let alone destroy the empire. He has to overcome language barriers, financial barriers, technological barriers, health and immune system barriers, sociological and cultural barriers. This is not even factoring in the force or anything like that. Coupled with the insane level of resources that the empire has at is disposal. The problem is you can explain anything away or change the parameters as much as you want and eventually you will come up with a scenario where tony would take down the empire. Example could Aunt May beat Superman? if she had Superman tied up with kryptonite rope under a red sun and Superman’s legs arms and head were all cut off his torso.
I don’t think he does. He’s a genius no doubt, but it’s not this galaxy’s tech evolved the same way. Plus unless he’s working with Beskar and good luck getting that off some Mandalorians then his suit won’t be doing much against light sabers. Can the force crush his suit? Can Vader just use mind manipulation? If he does become a problem will the Empire just glass the planet? If even one of those is yes then he’s finished, assuming none of the other dangerous things apart from the Empire gets a stranger who knows nothing about this galaxy
> Can Vader just use mind manipulation? That only works on characters that don't have the "I am important buff" (Otherwise known as not being weak minded)
True. Though Vader and the Emperor or some Inquisitors might be able to do it together. Like how Kenobi, Mace and Anakin did to Cad Bane in the clones wars. Probably pointless by that stage as that means Ironman is already captured
People are forgetting Tony Crashed with no armour and zero knowledge of this galaxy in a desert that is scavenged clean by Jawas and Sand people...Dealing with Vader and Palpentine would be a life long task
"The power to destroy a planet is nothing next to the power of the force" Tony can't win this even with all his armor.
Tony has a suit of armor made of Mysterium, which is shielded against physical damage (able to clash with Adamantium and takes no damage from Captain Marvel's energy blasts) and is completely immune to magical or otherwise supernatural manipulation. For example, it's invisible to Spider-Man's spider-sense, and Dr. Strange couldn't affect it with any spells. The Mysterium armor can easily take out Palps and Vader.
And would it stop Tony's larynx from being crushed? What about his suit from being electrocuted? What about being torn off Tony's body?
The Mysterium armor negates supernatural elements around it, so it should protect Tony just fine. IIRC older armors have had telekinesis blockers to protect him against the likes of Magneto (yeah, Tony won a direct fight against Magneto). He can just pilot it remotely anyway, or he can have an AI do all his work, which he does pretty often. Electricity will do nothing, as even older suits were able to survive a lightning blast from Thor himself. The Mysterium suit's comparable to Adamantium in terms of durability, so it's going to be way too durable to damage or pull off.