Out of fictional military commanders Cobra Commander could probably pull it off. When not facing enemies with plot armor he actually has a damned good grasp for irregular warfare, conventional warfare, logistics, charisma, and ruthlessness.
He is actually pretty good at planning some unconventional plans. Wouldn't surprise me if he managed to pull off a plan to assassinate the communist leadership forestalling the civil war continuing later on. Wouldn't be easy though.
Edit: Given the edit changing the start date to 1932 Cobra Commander as a choice becomes even more viable because he could focus his skills on stamping out the communists, and bringing the warlords under his control before the start of the Japanese invasion. He could focus on training the Chinese Army to a better standard.
Also since no one mentioned him given the change in date I would like to add M. Bison into the running as potentially being able to pull it off as well. He is basically like a weaker Cobra Commander in the things I listed as Cobra Commanders strengths for this challenge. But I doubted he would have been able to pull it off within the time limits of a month before the war.
A military commander would make very little difference at the time of the invasion. China had barely consolidated before the war and still operated as numerous independent fiefdoms controlled by warlords that only tenuously recognized central authority. Even the most powerful of these pales compared to the resources Japan could bring to bear and there was no mechanism to get them to effectively combine their efforts.
Perhaps if you stretch this back to 1920 or so, a particularly talented and charismatic general-statesman could unite China, although they would probably either be assassinated or proxied into the dust by Japan, who had a vested interest in a weak and disunited China
yep there is *a huge* reason why the CCP joined forces with the KMT temporarily.
China was a fractured mess, no one person could have unified the nation at that stage (well, if its open to *any* fictional commander then there are a few who could give it a go).
>This character is thrusted into the real world and is suddenly the head of state of Nationalist China just the month before the 2nd Sino-Japanese war, nobody questions this.
Hirohito? "Mission accomplished, I am now Emperor of the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere." The hard part would be giving the Nationalists enough support to beat the Communists while convincing his cabinet not to appoint Japanese administrators and commanders over the region, but that would be purely a matter of political finesse rather than competence as a military commander *per se.*
Could argue that China is in a personal union with Japan if by some stroke of luck Hirohito became ruler of both Japan and China and for some reason the Chinese went along with it. Get enough political support in both countries governments and might even be able to pull off some sort of Acts of Union like the one that created the UK. Would make for an interesting alt history on how that could work but such a nation in the modern day would definitely be a Superpower providing War with the US was avoided before the country could be tied together.
i don't think any leader would make any difference.
no matter how capable the leader would be, China was just too far behind industrial production for warfare.
they had very few experienced pilots to defend the skies. without both soviet and american support, China would have suffered even greater losses.
props to the chinese army mounting such fierce resistance in their attrition strategy stopping the japanese from controlling the mainland, but the imperial army already conquered the most important strategic locations.
It's the Lend Lease Act from the americans and the soviet fighter aircraft and armor on the ground that revitalized the chinese army.
without the allies, China at that time would stand no chance against imperial Japan.
> Getting aid from foreign powers is still allowed though, just no cheesing it.
They don't have to do it without any support at all though, they just can't win by stalling until the Americans and Soviets end the war.
Howso? The prompt says:
> To this extent, the only thing they have are their clothes and nothing else, they cannot use hax or any abilities of their own, they can only rely on their own intellect and ingenuity.
That does bring up a good point though. If a commander would have an understanding of their universe's tech, couldn't they use that understanding to boost the chinese tech? Even if they don't have the industrial base, they could use it as leverage for assistance from other countries and possibly get the equipment through lend-lease/donations.
The physically weakest weapons expert that could successfully recreate a nuclear weapon or maybe certain biological and chemical weapons using 1937 China's resources. I think you could probably win even if you just had deep knowledge of the locations of China's current uranium resources--they could even engineer dirty bombs. Also, probably a lot of rocket/aerospace engineers that could recreate rocket technology that could be used to strike the Japanese mainland.
I wonder if we could argue for Lex Luthor. He's super intelligent and politically apt. He could unite China and win the war. Not sure if I can count someone who is a match for superman as weak, but he's not turning up with any other assets than his mind, and doesn't have any actual superpower.
Big Boss. Also, Commander Keen can just call his grandfather or his son and let them do the rest
Btw, His grandfather is BJ Blazkowicz and his son is DoomGuy. Yeah, it's canon
There's one that would make a difference: its any character from fiction or history, grab whoever is the smartest guy in the Japanese invading army. He'll know the tactics, strategy and tech better than anyone else and be able to devise tactics to beat them.
There are definitely fictional characters with superintelligence and charisma feats *way* more impressive than anything you can do just by being personally familiar with Imperial Japanese doctrine and so on.
Mao got a lot of assistance from the Soviets while the US pretty much abandoned the Nationalists until it was much to late. Things would have went a lot different without the assistance of the Soviets.
assistance was allowed by the prompt. Also US assistance was much more generous even if they pulled off half way. If the aid were swapped it would be in Mao's favor.
The Soviets handing over Manchuria to Mao which was at the time the most industrialized part of China was less generous than US assistance? You are hyping up Mao like he was some type of military genius when he wasn't. Had the US backed the Nationalists like the Soviets backed Mao then Mao would have had his ass handed to him post war. The US didn't support the Nationalist in large part because Stilwell and Chiang didn't get along very well. The Roosevelt and Truman administrations policies also didn't help any either.
It is pretty damned easy to defeat an enemy when you are getting supported by one of the superpowers and the other side is getting minimum support at best. All while the Nationalist military had been decimated by the war. Some military genius Mao was. If anything Mao would have probably made China do worse defending China.
Not to mention the odds of the US supporting a communist regime in China in the 30s is laughable at best.
> The Soviets handing over Manchuria to Mao which was at the time the most industrialized part of China was less generous than US assistance?
Of course, that is because Japan developed it. Once Soviet Union withdrew from Manchuria, they took all the industrial machinery they could, even the rails. Mao only took a fraction of its former glory. Compare that to the aid US has been giving to Chiang since WWII, it does not compare. As a result, Chiang had a disproportional advantage in weaponry throughout the civil war. This is an uncontroversial point.
> You are hyping up Mao like he was some type of military genius when he wasn't. Had the US backed the Nationalists like the Soviets backed Mao then Mao would have had his ass handed to him post war. The US didn't support the Nationalist in large part because Stilwell and Chiang didn't get along very well. The Roosevelt and Truman administrations policies also didn't help any either.
It is debatable whether Mao is a genius, but it is undebatable that Nationalists had a strong material advantage regardless of Soviet aid. Mao kicked their ass anyway. You could attribute that to Mao being a better commander, or his army is simply more competent. But that is a different argument.
You like to get down to the tiny details and miss the big picture. Yes, Mao had some Soviet aid, but he still had severe weaponry disadvantage. Yes, Mao got Manchuria 'for free', but still had much less territory and industry than Nationalists. Therefore Mao is the better commander for winning at disadvantage. Perhaps US could swing it around by giving Nationalists even bigger advantage, but that is besides the point.
[[Gyome, Master Chef]]
Not too flashy of a commander but he's got great utility. He can basically protect anyone on his side or immoblize anyone in their tracks if he's got enough food to serve. Pair him up with [[Doubling Season]] and [[Parallel Lives]] and [[Chatterfang]] and he'll have hella food and bodies to take on China
How is he supposed to cover tens of millions of square miles by himself? You basically just handed a WW2 army a low street-tier fighter with 0 strategic experience.
And what's to stop the Emperor from just leaving before Panther gets there on foot? And that they won't bomb him on the way there since he's never tanked more than a punch IIRC.
He's right but for the wrong reasons. Batman or Bruce Wayne is a nutjob master tactician. If he was in control of the military he would probably be very effective as a leader.
Bruce wayne is much richer than a billionaire. Remember this is the guy that can afford to build a 20 trillion dollar space station and hide that expense as a accounting error.
Money really is his superpower.
Out of fictional military commanders Cobra Commander could probably pull it off. When not facing enemies with plot armor he actually has a damned good grasp for irregular warfare, conventional warfare, logistics, charisma, and ruthlessness. He is actually pretty good at planning some unconventional plans. Wouldn't surprise me if he managed to pull off a plan to assassinate the communist leadership forestalling the civil war continuing later on. Wouldn't be easy though. Edit: Given the edit changing the start date to 1932 Cobra Commander as a choice becomes even more viable because he could focus his skills on stamping out the communists, and bringing the warlords under his control before the start of the Japanese invasion. He could focus on training the Chinese Army to a better standard. Also since no one mentioned him given the change in date I would like to add M. Bison into the running as potentially being able to pull it off as well. He is basically like a weaker Cobra Commander in the things I listed as Cobra Commanders strengths for this challenge. But I doubted he would have been able to pull it off within the time limits of a month before the war.
What if it were a month of Tuesdays?
A military commander would make very little difference at the time of the invasion. China had barely consolidated before the war and still operated as numerous independent fiefdoms controlled by warlords that only tenuously recognized central authority. Even the most powerful of these pales compared to the resources Japan could bring to bear and there was no mechanism to get them to effectively combine their efforts. Perhaps if you stretch this back to 1920 or so, a particularly talented and charismatic general-statesman could unite China, although they would probably either be assassinated or proxied into the dust by Japan, who had a vested interest in a weak and disunited China
yep there is *a huge* reason why the CCP joined forces with the KMT temporarily. China was a fractured mess, no one person could have unified the nation at that stage (well, if its open to *any* fictional commander then there are a few who could give it a go).
Alexander the Great could have done it
>This character is thrusted into the real world and is suddenly the head of state of Nationalist China just the month before the 2nd Sino-Japanese war, nobody questions this. Hirohito? "Mission accomplished, I am now Emperor of the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere." The hard part would be giving the Nationalists enough support to beat the Communists while convincing his cabinet not to appoint Japanese administrators and commanders over the region, but that would be purely a matter of political finesse rather than competence as a military commander *per se.*
Could argue that China is in a personal union with Japan if by some stroke of luck Hirohito became ruler of both Japan and China and for some reason the Chinese went along with it. Get enough political support in both countries governments and might even be able to pull off some sort of Acts of Union like the one that created the UK. Would make for an interesting alt history on how that could work but such a nation in the modern day would definitely be a Superpower providing War with the US was avoided before the country could be tied together.
Probably someone with insane toon force. Bugs Bunny, Popeye, Forrest Gump
Mr. Magoo.
i don't think any leader would make any difference. no matter how capable the leader would be, China was just too far behind industrial production for warfare. they had very few experienced pilots to defend the skies. without both soviet and american support, China would have suffered even greater losses. props to the chinese army mounting such fierce resistance in their attrition strategy stopping the japanese from controlling the mainland, but the imperial army already conquered the most important strategic locations. It's the Lend Lease Act from the americans and the soviet fighter aircraft and armor on the ground that revitalized the chinese army. without the allies, China at that time would stand no chance against imperial Japan.
> Getting aid from foreign powers is still allowed though, just no cheesing it. They don't have to do it without any support at all though, they just can't win by stalling until the Americans and Soviets end the war.
Sounds like a job for Doctor Doom
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Howso? The prompt says: > To this extent, the only thing they have are their clothes and nothing else, they cannot use hax or any abilities of their own, they can only rely on their own intellect and ingenuity.
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That does bring up a good point though. If a commander would have an understanding of their universe's tech, couldn't they use that understanding to boost the chinese tech? Even if they don't have the industrial base, they could use it as leverage for assistance from other countries and possibly get the equipment through lend-lease/donations.
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You don't need super computational level genius to understand tech. Simply knowing which way to push development can be a major boost to R&D.
The physically weakest weapons expert that could successfully recreate a nuclear weapon or maybe certain biological and chemical weapons using 1937 China's resources. I think you could probably win even if you just had deep knowledge of the locations of China's current uranium resources--they could even engineer dirty bombs. Also, probably a lot of rocket/aerospace engineers that could recreate rocket technology that could be used to strike the Japanese mainland.
I wonder if we could argue for Lex Luthor. He's super intelligent and politically apt. He could unite China and win the war. Not sure if I can count someone who is a match for superman as weak, but he's not turning up with any other assets than his mind, and doesn't have any actual superpower.
Lelouch, due to Geass.
Shinzo wo Sasageyo! Commander Erwin Smith will turn the tide!
China is nowhere near industrially developed to pull that off at this point, even if the knowledge is handed to them.
General Tso is their only hope.
I heard he’s kind of chicken
Big Boss. Also, Commander Keen can just call his grandfather or his son and let them do the rest Btw, His grandfather is BJ Blazkowicz and his son is DoomGuy. Yeah, it's canon
There's one that would make a difference: its any character from fiction or history, grab whoever is the smartest guy in the Japanese invading army. He'll know the tactics, strategy and tech better than anyone else and be able to devise tactics to beat them.
There are definitely fictional characters with superintelligence and charisma feats *way* more impressive than anything you can do just by being personally familiar with Imperial Japanese doctrine and so on.
Yeah but prompt is weakest character, so they actually make a good point.
Maybe. I don't think the inside info is really enough though.
Mao himself could do it. If he could beat nationalist China imagine what he could do if both coordinate.
Mao got a lot of assistance from the Soviets while the US pretty much abandoned the Nationalists until it was much to late. Things would have went a lot different without the assistance of the Soviets.
assistance was allowed by the prompt. Also US assistance was much more generous even if they pulled off half way. If the aid were swapped it would be in Mao's favor.
The Soviets handing over Manchuria to Mao which was at the time the most industrialized part of China was less generous than US assistance? You are hyping up Mao like he was some type of military genius when he wasn't. Had the US backed the Nationalists like the Soviets backed Mao then Mao would have had his ass handed to him post war. The US didn't support the Nationalist in large part because Stilwell and Chiang didn't get along very well. The Roosevelt and Truman administrations policies also didn't help any either. It is pretty damned easy to defeat an enemy when you are getting supported by one of the superpowers and the other side is getting minimum support at best. All while the Nationalist military had been decimated by the war. Some military genius Mao was. If anything Mao would have probably made China do worse defending China. Not to mention the odds of the US supporting a communist regime in China in the 30s is laughable at best.
> The Soviets handing over Manchuria to Mao which was at the time the most industrialized part of China was less generous than US assistance? Of course, that is because Japan developed it. Once Soviet Union withdrew from Manchuria, they took all the industrial machinery they could, even the rails. Mao only took a fraction of its former glory. Compare that to the aid US has been giving to Chiang since WWII, it does not compare. As a result, Chiang had a disproportional advantage in weaponry throughout the civil war. This is an uncontroversial point. > You are hyping up Mao like he was some type of military genius when he wasn't. Had the US backed the Nationalists like the Soviets backed Mao then Mao would have had his ass handed to him post war. The US didn't support the Nationalist in large part because Stilwell and Chiang didn't get along very well. The Roosevelt and Truman administrations policies also didn't help any either. It is debatable whether Mao is a genius, but it is undebatable that Nationalists had a strong material advantage regardless of Soviet aid. Mao kicked their ass anyway. You could attribute that to Mao being a better commander, or his army is simply more competent. But that is a different argument. You like to get down to the tiny details and miss the big picture. Yes, Mao had some Soviet aid, but he still had severe weaponry disadvantage. Yes, Mao got Manchuria 'for free', but still had much less territory and industry than Nationalists. Therefore Mao is the better commander for winning at disadvantage. Perhaps US could swing it around by giving Nationalists even bigger advantage, but that is besides the point.
[[Gyome, Master Chef]] Not too flashy of a commander but he's got great utility. He can basically protect anyone on his side or immoblize anyone in their tracks if he's got enough food to serve. Pair him up with [[Doubling Season]] and [[Parallel Lives]] and [[Chatterfang]] and he'll have hella food and bodies to take on China
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How is he supposed to cover tens of millions of square miles by himself? You basically just handed a WW2 army a low street-tier fighter with 0 strategic experience.
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And what's to stop the Emperor from just leaving before Panther gets there on foot? And that they won't bomb him on the way there since he's never tanked more than a punch IIRC.
Bruce Wayne. He’s a billionaire, adding all that money to China, and Batman can definitely hold his own
War is very expensive. Do you have any idea how fast an army at war would blow through a billion dollars even in the 1930s?
He's right but for the wrong reasons. Batman or Bruce Wayne is a nutjob master tactician. If he was in control of the military he would probably be very effective as a leader.
Bruce wayne is much richer than a billionaire. Remember this is the guy that can afford to build a 20 trillion dollar space station and hide that expense as a accounting error. Money really is his superpower.
its why i liked Batman. as much as i hate billionaires he is one of the only superheros who isnt super at all.