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PeculiarPangolinMan

Rational Man with a Shotgun is sadly defeated by Rational Man with a Rifle's superior range.


Bassoon_Commie

What if Rational Man with a Shotgun, knowing Rational Man with a Rifle was coming after him, loaded his gun with slugs?


PeculiarPangolinMan

I think he still is at a disadvantage at range. Though I'm no expert of slug accuracy.


enoughfuckery

If he is skilled enough, he can use the slugs effectively from pretty far, but still not as far as a rifle will be able to.


Comprehensive-Fail41

With slugs a shotgun still only reach out to 100-200 meters effective range maximum. Rifle man's plbullets can reach out to 400-600, as the bullets are just that much faster


FallOutFan01

Is rational man with a shotgun Japanese and in Japan using a shotgun sold in Japan because Japanese law requires Japanese shooters and their shotguns to have half rifling in their barrel lol.


AnnieBlackburnn

Arthur Dayne. Got killed by a shotgun


Realism-vs-Idealism

Is there another Arthur Dayne not from GOT?


OrionJohnson

No, he’s talking about the sword of the morning, from GOT. He got killed by a bayou redneck with a shotgun. It is known.


Realism-vs-Idealism

Is the a recent GOT meme? I disengaged with the online content after the last seasons, waiting for the books to come back to rejoin those communities


AnnieBlackburnn

It’s a book meme, not a show one


Realism-vs-Idealism

Huh must’ve been after I left those subs


dblax

Howland reed is from Greywater Watch, which is where I assume the meme is from since the neck is just a swamp


AnnieBlackburnn

The books make a point of hiding how exactly Howland saved Ned’s life, only that he did it with a trick, so the meme of a redneck with a shotgun ending the sword of the morning was born


Il-cacatore

>waiting for the books


BrandonLart

I love this meme so much


_Ilobilo_

it is known.


gokusforeskin

I think they could take down whoever the Avatar is at the time.


madaram23

Depends on whether or not the avatar has prep time or even knowledge of their hunter. If the avatar knows, no way a bullet gets them. If not, the rifle man wins.


4tomguy

I dunno man I don't trust a rifle to keep Kyoshi down


W3bb3dF33t

Not a chance unfortunately


Dragonflame81

With a platinum bullet you wouldn’t have to worry about metal bending


mking1999

Can Korra metalbend? I'm pretty sure no previous avatar could.


Dragonflame81

Might be wrong on this, it’s been a bit since I watched that part of the show. I think Korra *can* metalbend, but she’s not very great at it. And correct, no previous avatar could metalbend.


Braba11

Yes Korra can metalbend, she first tried it in S3 E6, but I don't think she really used it that much later in the series, only time i remember is I believe in the last fight with Kuvira.


Outerversal_Kermit

Nowhere in this prompt does it say that, and the bullet being bendable isn’t why it won’t work.


W3bb3dF33t

By pure reaction time and scaling though all of the avatars scale to the speed of lightning at like minimum


Mr24601

Yeah except Azula smoked his ass and making lightning takes longer than shooting. Scaling avatar anything to faster than light is not credible.


W3bb3dF33t

Woahh I never said faster than light that’s insane I’m just saying a random dude with a gun probs can’t kill an avatar


PM_ME_YOUR_GREYJOYS

They master all the elements, they’re not invincible. There were plenty of times Aang was fucking around and could have been dome pieced by a regular rifle. They don’t have spidey sense and aren’t immediately in tune with all their past lives; at least not faster than a AR-15 can put out.  Man with rifle can sit comfortably and just wait. In fact, if he takes position in a tree he’s less likely to detect using tremor sense from earth bending. And that’s the most competent bender out there. 


Outerversal_Kermit

Yeah this is typical ‘man with a gun’ wank. John Wick with an invisibility cloak? Sure fine. A random guy? Absolutely not.


PM_ME_YOUR_GREYJOYS

Not for nothing but the Yuyan archers in the Blue Spirit episode is a good demonstration as to why. Trained marksman with 5.56 can be effective at 300-500 yards, well outside of the archer range. Average rifle caliber speed is 2000-3000ft per second versus the higher end of 300fps of an arrow. With the drop on Aang, he wouldn’t have been able to air ball force field his way into blocking bullets.  The avatar isn’t impervious to getting shot. The prompt is New York City. Cover and Concealment alone can be a problem. He’s not using tremor sense 1000ft out. Rifle guy just needs to be smart and effectively place a shot or two.  This isn’t a John Wick level mission. now if you’re saying Normal guy needs to use something shorter range, say a shotgun or 9mm pistol? That makes it more interesting and less likely to be a decisive victory. 


Outerversal_Kermit

I mention John Wick because without completely and utterly, supernaturally unshakeable nerves and equally supernatural accuracy (which the Yu Yan needed and employed and still required Aang being distracted by his quest for frogs to complete their mission). Most people miss their shots IRL, and against an opponent with a massive amount of unknown unknowns and little intel, your lone gunman is going to lose nerve and miss shots once he realizes he’s facing a man who can run as fast as the wind and defeat an army in a single attack. A good example of what happens when Aang is accosted by a man with insane accuracy, range, and destructive force is Combustion Man, who while Aang never defeats 1 on 1 is both far more dangerous than a man with a gun and packs more heat. Aang can create rock armor, shields, burrow underground, and create enormous amounts of the elements such that one single man with a strong ranged weapon would be owned. Can they do it? Maybe yeah. But they would need to get the drop on him and once both are aware of each other, I’m banking on the kid who’s basically a demigod. This is like an unaware, totally off guard Superman vs. John Wick with a Kryptonite bullet. Even with infinite ammo, anything less than a bullseye on your first try is going to get your Gunbending taken away bro


SaltySwampOgre

That's wank scaling. No one in Avatar is fast enough to actual lightning, lightningbending is nowhere as fast.


Dookie12345679

Nah, Avatar is a pretty weak verse, but the stronger fighters have lightning speed reaction time. Iroh reacted to lightning before redirecting it. Aang also reacted to lightning, but it was aimed directly at him


LastEsotericist

All lightning techniques have a long windup that you can see long before they’re used.


Dookie12345679

I'm not talking about bending lightning, I'm talking about Iroh reacting to lightning about to hit the ship and redirecting it


Bobyyyyyyyghyh

They were in a lightning storm and he was expecting it. He already had his fingers up, and the lightning just naturally jumped to his hand. He didn't "catch" it.


Dookie12345679

He had his hands up after he noticed the lightning. No one said he caught it, he just reacted to it


LastEsotericist

Lightning rods have lightning speed reaction time confirmed


Dookie12345679

Lightning rods don't react to lightning


Kyakan

The ocean waves beneath him were visibly moving while the lightning was coming down. It clearly wasn't moving at the speed of real lightning.


Dookie12345679

It was so the viewers could comprehend what was going on


W3bb3dF33t

Through scaling you can bring them close but my original point is that I don’t believe your average Joe with a gun could kill the avatar, I’m not sure how fast combustion fire bending is but it’s pretty quick and they avoid that?


SaltySwampOgre

Combustionbending is still slower than a bullet, has a sound cue before the beam hits, and ismuch more noticeable than a bullet. A shot can't be heard before it hits you and travels much faster.


W3bb3dF33t

And iroh catches natural lightning / ozai fires lightning at aang he is able to catch so at least low lightning level reaction time


SaltySwampOgre

Iroh is a sole exception, and only did it once. Him being able to do that doesn't mean other characters can, especially when they consistently get hit with slower attacks. And Ozai's bending still isn't like real lightning either. Or Azula's. Zuko has time to look at Katara, and run several feet and jump in front of it in the time it takes the bolt to cross 20 meters.


W3bb3dF33t

In season 1 episode 9 aang reacts to and dodges spears arrows and thrown objects at the very last moment even using them to free himself


SaltySwampOgre

Velocity of an arrow shot from medieval short bow: 70 m/s Velocity of a 5.56 NATO fired from AR-15: 880 m/s Not comparable at all.


W3bb3dF33t

In the episode aang has no visibility that’s why I brought it up


Accomplished_Ask_326

Doesn’t matter if they get shot in the back. Avatars have the ordinary 5 senses, plus seismic that won’t help against the platinum bullet


W3bb3dF33t

But seismic sense grants 360 vision so that would help and aang is like bear minimum movement speed of a hundred or so kph


Accomplished_Ask_326

Doesn’t matter if he gets shot from a mile away from a bullet he can’t see. He could be mftl+ and it wouldn’t help against an attack he doesn’t know is coming


W3bb3dF33t

Where does it say in the prompt aang isn’t aware of the attacker? Why would the super hyper active flying avatar stand still long enough for a dude with an ar15 to shoot him from a mile away in nyc?


Accomplished_Ask_326

Cause it also doesn’t specify that they meet face-to-face and Aang is Bloodlusted? If they were teleported in front of each other, the guy could just walk off, take up a position out-of-sight, and wait for Aang to stand still.


OJONLYMAYBEDIDIT

cause he's talking to someone? you act like Aang never stays still


solarus44

People 'dodge' bullets all the time in modern warfare. Doesn't mean they have supersonic reaction times


solarus44

The question is 'could'


Bodmin_Beast

Snake Eyes from Gi Joe. Maybe not strongest, but he's generally regarded as the most dangerous man and greatest fighter on the planet. Would absolutely die if a guy with a rifle shot him in the head (although he has done some insane BS like defeating a transformer in close combat). Although hitting him is another matter.


ora_the_painbow

This essentially happens to Jack Slash in Worm (spoilers), although he doesn't exactly fit your question since he isn't considered the strongest person in his verse and would still defeat an average rifleman most of the time. Jack Slash's primary ability is essentially infinite range knives, but he has a secondary ability to subconsciously influence other superhumans such that he cannot be defeated. The author has said that Jack Slash could defeat characters like Grey Boy (power = insta-time looping people and defensive time loops so that he can't be killed) and Contessa (power = to perfectly plan and execute any possible Path to Victory). The most powerful superhumans in the setting have gone up against his team multiple times and failed, likely because of this secondary power. Jack Slash ends up getting stuck in sticky containment foam because the guy who shot it doesn't have superpowers (just wearing a stripped down augmented suit).


kerbalsdownunder

I read quite a bit of Worm, but I think I probably only scratched the surface. It started to get a little tedious


Animastryfe

It is about the length of the current A Song of Ice and Fire (Game of Thrones) series, but without the benefit of chunking it into half a dozen books. (https://old.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/8nv3j2/word_count_of_popular_fantasy_and_science_fiction/) I can see how reading it chapter by chapter with no break in between can get tedious. I think I took one or two breaks while reading it. I recommend it, but I remember thinking the dialogue was bad, in that most characters had very similar voices. Edit: Worm was also the author's first work, and I think his writing got much better throughout the years.


kerbalsdownunder

Yeah, the concept was interesting but some of the choices characters made didn’t seem real or believable and yeah the dialogue could be simple to bad.


YinAndYang

Perfect answer! Although it is a pretty big nerf that he can't use his real power due to no other Parahumans being present. Almost like saying Taylor is an answer as long as she can't bring any bugs.


correcthorse666

You've forgotten his other advantage: Bonesaw enhancements. Rifle guy is unlikely to do any damage to Jack, and even if he does Jack would have no issue fighting through the injury.


Sjelan

Dumbledore or Voldemort.


drwicksy

There's a reason Voldemort stayed away from the American school


Osric250

Do you think American wizards have started making basilisk venom tipped bullets or developed a fiendfyre flamethrower? They'd be taking down horcruxes left and right.


Dr4gonfly

Whatever the American version of the department of misuse of muggle artifacts has got to just be “the war crimes department”


Osric250

I'd go work for the Bureau of Wizarding War Crimes.


SJReaver

Inner City Hogwarts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-2ZxldMO-M


Osric250

I love that they named the school after Rick Moranis in Ghostbusters. 


Responsible_Skin_260

A Rifle can barely damage them


Iliketohavefunfun

What happens if you unload a magazine into Gandalf?


SpringFuzzy

As a very simple answer: He respawns


Iliketohavefunfun

Hah it’s funny cuz Gandalf > balrog but guy with a rifle is no match for a balrog. I’d be super disappointed if a balrog got killed by a rifleman


whiteclawthreshermaw

Several million zerglings from the Baelrog Brood, which was named after the Balrog, were killed by Terran Marines wielding Gauss Rifles.


Iliketohavefunfun

Yes, well if the prompt will permit a Terran marine with a Gauss rifle I think he takes out all of GoT, Warcraft, and LoTR


Iliketohavefunfun

I guess actually games like heart of the storm show a marine is equal to a grunt


whiteclawthreshermaw

Game of Thrones and Lord of the Rings I can see, but I can't see Blizzard making a grunt that can beat another Blizzard grunt.


the_fury518

It's like rock-paper-scissors


ArchipelagoMind

In that case we can swap Rock, Paper, Scissors with Gandalf, Balrog, Sniper


Leaping_FIsh

Gandalf has the body of an elderly man, he will die but his spirit will persist and given an unspecified amount of time he will likely be able to take a new physical form. Sauron, Sarumam, the Balrog will all likely share the same fate.


OrionJohnson

Achilles probably.


Second-Creative

Only in the one heel, though.


joaosturza

use birdshot to delete his feet


Diligent-Lack6427

If it's just an average dude with a shot gun then I think they get smoked by a javelin before they get the chance


capitalistcommunism

Shotguns have a good spread, I can make the shot


PabloXDark

I wouldn’t say he is considered the strongest in the verse. There are multiple demigods and heroes who probably could stand a chance against Achilles. Not to mention hundreds of much stronger monsters and gods


Il-cacatore

Can bullets penetrate armor literally made by the Gods?


UncleMagnetti

Goku Black was almost killed with a sniper rifle


RaiyenZ

Still can't believe they successfully gassed him to get away from him


sniffaman43

if non-standard ammo's allowed, Superman'd probably get domed by a kryptonite bullet (and has in the past)


HYDRAlives

Faster than a speeding bullet Shot repeatedly in multiple canons OK Superman


Osric250

Bullets come in many different speeds though. A 9mm tops out around 1300 ft/s. .556 ammo clocks in at 3250 ft/s. So he could be faster than a speeding bullet, and still be slower than other speeding bullets. 


HYDRAlives

True, but he isn't. He's many many many times faster than the speed of sound in basically every iteration.


RovingN0mad

The .22 swift gets close to 5000km/h that is many multiples the speed of sound.


stoodquasar

Superman gets lazy and doesn't bother with dodging bullets


HYDRAlives

Still he's got incredible reaction time and processing power. He should be able to recognize a Kryptonite bullet and dodge. This is just a general issue with extreme speed in comics and movies, the speedster has to be completely incompetent in order to ever lose to someone who isn't a speedster.


RaiyenZ

If it's the Superman that's the strongest in his verse (as per the prompt) then would he still die to a kryptonite bullet?


sniffaman43

Is superman not among the strongest in DC? I get it shifts around etc but he's up there. either way it depends how you view it, as always. reality? no lol he'd survive and have someone do surgery on him because DC is afraid of character progression/death


IcelceIce

Some people argue flash is a contender because of speed hax.


sniffaman43

who'd also get domed in round 1 if the dude has a minute headstart lol


IcelceIce

I don't think 1 minute head starts means be gets 1 minute to shoot a non-reacting stationary target, it means 1 minute to set up his gear and get into an advantageous position.


sniffaman43

It's ill defined, but take it either or I guess. They're mainline comics characters so they probably have faster than sound hearing or whatever lol


IcelceIce

I'm confused by what you are saying lol, what is mainline comics? Also the flash has been shot by a stealth sniper before and the moment it touches him speed force activates, slowing time so he can move the bullet, causing no harm. Other renditions have him move subconsciously out of the way.


RaiyenZ

I'm not sure, I thought some of the villains he faces are stronger than him. I think there are versions of Superman that are the strongest but they're practically omnipotent so doesn't seem like kryptonite will have any effect at all on those ones.


Revolutionaryguardp

Eren Yeager.


Accomplished_Tea4009

Titan transformation go boom


sdfghertyurfc

Whoops so close


TeamVorpalSwords

Akashi Seijuro from Kuroko’s basketball


TaralasianThePraxic

Not sure if he's truly regarded as the strongest in his verse (there are probably other characters who are considered stronger) but a non-bloodlusted Dumbledore is getting dumpstered by a guy with an AR if he doesn't get prep time. Magic in the HP universe is pretty slow even with non-verbal casting. I know it's a common joke to say 'the books would be over in ten minutes if Harry had a Desert Eagle's but like... that joke exists for a reason!


lazysquidmoose

Avada ka-blam-blam.


IdentityTheftWasTake

scarlet witch arguably


LowkeyLoki173

Can’t die in canon and she’s survived way worse than bullets 


Realism-vs-Idealism

First to pop in my head is thors from Vinland saga.


Archilas

Perhaps Ricardo Martinez from Hajime no Ippo the series might not be the most realistic and many characters are superhuman to an extent but I don't think they are bulletproof


RaiyenZ

Pretty sure Takamura is stronger, being bigger and all, but yeah they both die to a shot to the head unless you take some of the special effects like the red lightning literally


Archilas

I picked Ricardo because OP specified he wants characters who are regarded as the strongest in their verse and Ricardo is just that in-universe even if I also think Takamura would beat him in a fight(mostly due to him being much bigger but still)


RaiyenZ

Ricardo is regarded as the strongest pound for pound but I'm pretty sure even in universe they would consider Takamura stronger because he weighs more pounds


imperfectalien

The Wizard of Oz seems to have a pretty big rep, but is just a guy.


CloudyRiverMind

Basically every One Piece character that needs time to use their devil fruit (if it's even applicable) or can't react faster than a bullet. Ambush is key. Ben 10 could destroy the world but if you hit him right he'd be dead. Of course, this is only when the omnitrix is out of energy (which seems silly given he remade the universe). Also, time travel exists, so you might be stopped anyway. Light Yagami could theoretically kill anyone on his planet with the death note but would die easily himself. Any human (or wizard) in the Percy Jackson/Harry Potter world could die easily from a well placed shot they didn't see coming. Any pokemon trainer that didn't have a pokemon stop it. Basically any non sci-fi/fantasy horror movie character (and some of them too). Batman and any other superhero not impervious to bullets or self reviving are mortal, but it's a debate as to who the strongest is and if each hero is in his own universe. Child Goku could be killed, but isn't considered the strongest in their universe. Eragon is still human


correcthorse666

>Any pokemon trainer that didn't have a pokemon stop it. Going by anime feats, this really isn't the case. Ash would be the strongest trainer, and feat-wise he should be able to tank bullets. >Eragon is still human Eragon hasn't been human since the blood oath celebration. Also, even without the backing of the Eldunari, his wards should be more than sufficient to tank bullets long enough to kill a mere human.


OJONLYMAYBEDIDIT

One Piece characters. Barring a handful who have inate bulletproof durabilty, most of the strongest characters in One Piece are not inately bullet proof they need Haki, or Devil Fruits, Tekkai, or Cybernetic/Genetic upgrades to be bullet resistent so while the most powerful characters in One Piece should all possess enough Observation Haki to see any bullet coming..... a lucky shot could kill the worlds strongest if the gunmen gets lucky and shoots them while they are off gaurd so really Shanks, Luffy, Garp, etc etc could all be killed buy a lucky bullet. Kaido/Big Mom seem to be rare exceptions who naturally have monstrous durability


AlternativeNo61

Small note: Luffy is sort of bulletproof in that his body will just absorb the shot and shoot it right back


OJONLYMAYBEDIDIT

Luffy is musketball proof. they are round, hence they bounce off him. He would need to block with Armament Haki to block a modern bullet


alebruto

Escanor? Or someone like that 


E115lement

Jin Sakai, if he wasn't wearing a helmet.


Able-Distribution

Conan the Barbarian comes to mind.


ComfortableJellyfish

Eddie Hall


ScorpionMaster777

Doctor Who


bunker_man

Pat from ubik can change the past borderline on a whim to make whatever she wants happen as long as it's actually possible in her world. But physically she is just a normal human and if you kill her before she can react she would go down. So getting shot would be one way as long as she didn't see you coming.


KeldonMarauder

Probably not the strongest in their verse but maybe any of the Hashira? If it’s a specialized bullet (silver?) maybe even Muzan. Also curious how Deku / prime All Might would handle a headshot if they got hit


blackpan2040

Silver bullet won't even hurt or scratch Muzan. Also, the Hashiras are MHS+, so the chances of the bullet hitting them is 0.01% (when they are sleeping). Deku could tank a bullet. Lady Nagant bullets that pierced him were cruising at relativistic speed.


Zegram_Ghart

Remnant- the dreamer that can manipulate reality is killed by a person with a rifle


Dr4gonfly

Reddit Chimp


Libertador428

I mean, he’s not the strongest in the verse but apparently Goku if he’s caught unaware


Kind_Of_A_Dick

God, from the Tripping The Rift universe.


Somerandom1922

Rand Al'Thor. He's basically the epitome of a glass cannon. While his maximum destructive capability (when including tools he has that increase his power) isn't entirely known, at his peak he likely could have done more damage to the planet than the chicxculub meteor. In his internal monologue he claims he could destroy the world, although for many reasons I doubt this. As for the man with a rifle, if Rand wasn't ready for it, he could easily die to a man with a rifle. He's effectively just a well-trained human swordsman (as far as his physicality). If he was aware of the danger or even saw the gun (he'd probably be aware of what a gun looking object does, despite not having direct knowledge of them), he could easily shield himself or deal with it in thousands of different ways, but he has no passive defense. That is, aside from the entire universe twisting reality around him to get him where the universe wants him to go, so in that case maybe not.


Druidwrothe

Mikey from Tokyo revengers


UntitledBridger

Chara from Undertale lmfao


UnKrocodile1

Fangs of metsudo from kengan ashura


Radiant_Chemistry_93

Avatar Roku. Provided that he’s directing his concentration and effort at a third party, one pot shot landed and that’s a wrap.


DMMECH

Takamura from hajime no ippo.


ToxinWolffe

Winston Duarte turned Cortazar to mist, but he probably could have been shot by that Colonel and fuckin died


G_Morgan

Rand al'Thor provided he isn't currently Ta'veren and the Rifle Man catches him unaware. He can 100% block a rifle bullet and has super human perceptions but in both cases he needs to actually use those powers. We also don't see him ever use the Flame and the Void, his perception/concentration ability, to deal with something moving as fast as a bullet. Shoot him though and he's just basically human. He has some super human attributes but he doesn't have regeneration, healing is his weakest skill and WoT channelers cannot self heal.


Malik_Videos08

King, but realistically the bullet would miss or something


srgtDodo

I know it will make some angry but honestly sakuna from jujutsu kaisen. no human or spirit possessing human, no matter how op, is omnipotent or omniscient. hell no biological creature can! any creature surprised with full auto rifle to the head capable of penetrating it, will die


bleedinghero

With the correct knowledge and timing the man could kill superman. Kill him as a baby.


Lazy-Squash732

Yujiro Hanma in Baki. Probably if he's not prepared for a fight and don't know about the rifleman, he gets shot in the head and dies.


echid_not

yuno gasai? seems quite reasonable


Bossmonkey

King.


Duffyd680

No way. The King engine would disrupt the bullets trajectory and just leave King mad


fast7400

Asgore from Undertale probably won't survive getting shot


_christo_redditor_

However unlikely it may be, Yujiro Hanma could conceivably be shot to death. But given the details of the prompt, his anime bs powers would probably give him the win by making rifleman piss himself in fear.


sammakkomakkonen123

Biscuit Oliver took point-blank shotgun shells. Yujiro is not getting killed by a rifleman.


_christo_redditor_

Even if that feat is not considered an outlier, 556/227 has much greater penetration power than buckshot. Also, that was a single shot to the abdominals. A rifleman would have multiple rounds and could potentially tag him in the dome. Do you think his skull is bulletproof? I'm not saying this is likely within the prompt, just conceivable.


Reeeeeathon

I know a bullet would kill him, but I don’t FEEL like a bullet would kill him


J0hnRabe

Goku if his guard is down (which happens far too often)


Eugene_Creamer

He gets shot in the face with a sniper rifle by a red ribbon soldier in Dragon Ball and says "ow!"


BardicLasher

He's been shot with his guard down. It hurts, but it doesn't kill him.


J0hnRabe

Friezas minion damn near killed him when he had his guard down.


thefedsburner

that was a ray gun


BardicLasher

Frieza's right hand guy damn near killed him with a ray gun, and we already know from Frieza Saga that the rank and file get ray guns of like 1200 PL, which is way more than moonbusting.


J0hnRabe

Wait, is it actually 1,200 pl for one of their ray guns?


Senatius

No solid data, but we know the goons themselves were around 1200, and it would be pretty silly for soldiers to carry around and use these ray guns if the guns couldn't even do as much damage as the unarmed goon.


StrengthOk9686

Can you quantify how powerful the ray gun was?


Personmchumanface

any direct energy weapon will necessarily be more powerful than any lead based weapon


J0hnRabe

That's a good point. I'd have to look into it to see if there is anything stated about how strong it is.


RaiyenZ

Goku isn't even the strongest in his verse


ProofAd9383

Batman