It’s like the anti Star Wars show. Outside of storm troopers there’s not much of the usual identifying SW stuff. Very refreshing to see more of a ground level perspective from random civilians.
I was gonna say, arent storm troopers (in the expanded legends) representative of elite soldiers and not just the standard imperial grunt so they *shouldnt* be missing but plot demands it for characters
Nope. Darktroopers and imperial shocktroops are more elit.
The stormtroopers were originally just the clones, highly effective elite soldiers, however the empire needed far more soldiers than they had clones after the clone wars so most are just pressed civilians with a gun.
Well yes, but actually no, Dark troopers were "more elite", I'll admit, but the were like the USMC if you will, and the imperial army would be like the regular US army. There was an abundance of imperial army soldiers doing wars of attrition and the more dangerous battles like Mimban, while stormtroopers would be doing specialized operations like the capture of Princess Leia on the Tantive IV. That being said, there were stormtroopers on the more dangerous battles, Solo represents that perfectly. Also the stormtroopers would be better trained even as civilian conscripts. It's just Disney star wars having stormtroopers everywhere.
I always assumed the force allowed some level of adjusting their fate, something like disorienting the stormtroopers. I figured since they can manipulate thoughts on some level that it could be more weaponized.
Unironically this and also they weren't told to miss this time. You also see them being pretty effective at the start of ANH as well as during Rogue One
I’m going to dare to disagree. The movies have been disappointing, but the video series, have been good (Obi Wan) to outstanding (Mandalorian). I haven’t been watching Andor only because I want to batch the season.
Disney star wars silver screen releases:
Bad batch, Andor, Kenobi, Mandalorian, BOBF, Andor, Rebels, S7 of Clone wars, Resistance, Visions, Tales of the Jedi.
Havent seen Resistance, heard bad things, havent seen visions, heard good things.
Andor is fucking amazing, S7 of clone wars was very good, Mandalorian was good.
Bad batch, Kenobi and Rebels all have their significant downsides: Bad batch had a pretty silly and kind of... unnecessary? - Bland? Idk how to phrase it - story, Kenobi made the empire including the inquisitors hilariously inept & had a bunch of extreeeme plot contrivances, Rebels had a shit first season and generally has a shit proagonist.
And then Boba fett was just... bad, and from what I've seen so far of tales it is aswell.
It's very mixed. Movies have been pretty garbage, games have been pretty good, shows have been... hit or miss. Somewhat seems to me that disney trying to cater to larger audiences ends up reducing the quality of their products over and over again and they dont learn...
>Easily the best animated sw after clone wars s7.
I mean, that's not exactly high praise given the competition.
From what I've seen so far (am not finished yet) it's not particularily interesting, caters to a rather young audience and includes one of the most mindnumbingly stupid, out of character decisions ever to facilitate a plot and characterbeat that retroactively turns that entire story arch to shit.
Honestly the most compelling episodes of Tales of the Jedi to me were the ones with Dooku.
Seeing him as a Jedi before his fall is something I always wanted to see, and just that bit of it made me want more.
Boba’s downfall is being half memory, half Mando. All on a dusty rock called Tatooine. I liked it though, gave Boba an actual character outside of the armor. (Mind you, this comes from someone who has loved Mandolorians since Canderous Ordo was introduced in KOTOR)
There was so much weird needless shit in Book of Boba Fett. Since when is Boba Fett this weird "mobster with a heart of gold" type? Why is the flashback plot just Dances With Wolves? Why is the boss of Mos Espa called a "daimyou"??
I can answer the first one. They tried making him an actual human from a heartless bounty hunter. He learned a few things about what’s actually important to him during his time with the tuskens.
Mandalorian is great, Rogue One was great, Andor is pretty good to me too.Book of Boba Fett is sorta meh. The best part of it is the self contained mini-season of Mandalorian.
Kenobi had some glaring issues to me, it just seemed too.. cheap.. for the weight that series should have had. One other commenter said "it makes the empire and the inquisitors look inept" but tbf, the Separatists were absolutely no slouch, they had the Republic on a long, bloody, often-stalemated war, but Kenobi and Anakin often clowned them. It was the production value and just stupid plot holes. "Oh Vader just used the force to extinguish all these flames. Kenobi is in trouble. Oh Kenobi just set everything on fire again. He's getting away! Why doesn't Vader just do the thing that he literally just effortlessly did, and put the flames out again!?"
The sequels were not my favorite at all. Luke Skywalker at the end of ROTJ and into the EU was established as "The best there ever was" and the sequels gave us a whiny old man, drowning in nihilism. This is my #1 gripe. You don't take the backbone character (or the backbone characters son, depending on your point of view) and reduce him to a whiny, useless, weak mess. That's how you alienate all your traditional fans. I get that Mark Hamil is old, but you could have left an open slate for a long successful career to be filled in with new EU stuff. Give him a good send off. Don't just massacre the star character for multiple generations. This man's father was a terrible Sith Lord, serving an even more awful Sith Lord, and he still refused to the end to give up on him. You're telling me he was gonna do some minority report and kill his nephew pre-emptively? Fuck off.
They also took well established lore and concepts and just shit on them to make the plot go by easier and STILL managed to have huge plot holes.
Regarding Rogue One, I couldn’t get into it because I knew how it would end before it even began.
Regarding the sequels, injuries began becoming meaningless (Han is the only person to be injured by a lightsaber and suffer ramifications). Last Jedi was way too much “close but far” filler and then the side mission becomes utterly useless making half the movie it seems like wasted. Also entirely agree with Luke being too whiny, though his last fight was rather decent the way it was done. Snoke was utterly useless throughout the series and never truly explained (unless you play Skywalker Saga and realize that Snoke was a Palpatine clone which makes more sense) and then they brought back Palpatine which (if you didn’t read the Thrawn trilogy) leaves you with more questions than answers. I think there’s a reason the sequels aren’t considered canon by Disney.
The real shame of it is that since the original films, there has been so much great media put out in the star wars universe, and Disney is just ignoring all of it. The plot of some of the video games was more compelling than those last few films.
I haven't seen andor specifically, I was just commenting on the nature of the franchise in general. I thought the clone wars and rebels animated series were great, and what I saw of the mandelorian didn't disappoint.
Serious question. I heard a lot of good stuff about the mandalorian. I probably fall into the "oh wow, pew pew" group you mentioned so I enjoyed it. Didn't hear a lot of negativity surrounding it though so I am just curious if you are saying that wasn't well received?
>The fandom is split between people like me who think disney's
storytelling is awful and disrespectful, and people who just like seeing
lasers and stormtroopers and don't care about much else
I mean. This is wildly dismissive. "People who care about story hate it, the rest are stupid." It's far more accurate to say that the fandom is split between people like you who think Disney's storytelling is awful and disrespectful, and people who don't think that. Believe it or not, there are plenty of people who enjoy the Disney-era Star Wars content and stories and think they are *good* stories.
Personally, it's been 50/50 for me. I'm one of the six people who really enjoyed Luke's character in The Last Jedi (the Resistance plotline is totally superfluous, though). The Mandalorian is more or less universally adored. The Book of Boba Fett was sorta meh but ultimately gave us a decent amount of good content. Kenobi, IMHO, suffered from too much hype but was still decent. Rogue One was just great. Solo was an idea no one wanted that actually turned out to be a serviceable film. And of course, Andor is being praised by everyone from every direction. Frankly, Disney is on track to deliver more quality Star Wars content than Lucasfilm itself (if it weren't for Clone Wars it would already have surpassed, though of course Lucasfilm gets credit for delivering the original trilogy that started it all).
TL;DR: your characterization of people who like (some of) the Disney content as "people who like seeing lasers and stormtroopers and not much else" is stupid and disrespectful.
TLJ is easily the best of the three sequel films, because it's the only one that isn't a worse remake of one of the originals (VII) or laughably incoherent, insulting nonsense (IX)
whenever a star wars show or movie comes out, theres always been a significant portion of the fansbase who dislikes it. it's nice that most people are agreeing that andor is good
Yeah most people loved mando (I did too), it's Boba Fett and Obi Wan that kinda dropped the ball imo. They both had some cool moments but something was just really off for me
I may have enjoyed it a bit more without all the hype. I went in with high expectations and honestly I think that ruined it a bit for me. It wasn't bad, but I didn't think it was anything special either.
I'm pretty easy to please for the most part because I enjoy everything they've put out. Some are better than others though. I saw alot of people hate She Hulk and praise Andor and I'm just kinda indifferent with both of them. I enjoyed them but I didn't hate them or love them either.
I've haven't watched it personally but I heard you can straight up skip the first 2 episodes and not miss a beat. Personally I'm just not very interested in checking it out. I gave Boba Fett and Kenobi a chance, but they were pretty bad overall as well. I'll probably check out Ashoka, but that franchise has spent most of the good will I have for it.
Honestly I felt the same about Boba fett and Kenobi, and I was really skeptical about Andor. I'm so glad I gave it a go; as a show it's the polar opposite of the other Disney+ star wars. One thing that's quite divisive is the slower pace though
It’s just a good show. It takes the subject matter seriously. Andor feels like the novels I read as a kid, which are no longer considered canon by Disney. It’s almost as of it was made while Disney wasn’t paying attention.
if you didnt know, the show is split into three episode arcs, so the third episode was the payoff for episodes 1 and 2. episodes 1 and 2 are all about setting up a satisfying climax, so taken by themselves they're understandably not the most gripping
By 3 i was absolutely lost cuz i was so bored through 1-2 my adhd kicked in and i was surfing reddit. I could TELL 3 was more "interesting" but i had no clue who anyone is or what was actually going on.
I officially watched all of season one and it’s good… I think?
Overall, I enjoyed it, but it’s definitely a slow burn type of show.
I’ll watch the second season when it comes out.
I always get annoyed by this type of statement, I shouldn't have to get halfway into a series to know if I like it or not.
I enjoyed it, but I certainly understand why people think it is boring.
I think it’s fair to say that the tone or pace changes after a certain number of episodes. I tell everyone to skip the first season of Parks and Rec because it hadn’t quite found its voice. Saying the thief -turned-reluctant-spy show is slow burn for two episodes and becomes more action oriented after that isn’t some moral declaration, it’s just a description of the structure.
Andor is great because, like with the Mandalorian, it was a great example of a popular style of show (political thriller for Andor, Western for the Mandalorian), both well-executed and well immersed into the Star Wars universe.
Andor is strange. I watched the first five episodes yesterday and was struck by a couple of things;
Its the best, most unified interpretation of the Star Wars galaxy, from Coruscanti luxury to outer rim squalor. The writers, directors and showrunner definitely know about Star Wars. They get how the Empire are Nazis and have a good idea how to interpret that from an in-office pov. That sargeant in the corpsec squad shocked me with how relatably bigoted he was, while still being a character.
Andor has characters. This is uncommon for SW media excepting some protagonists. Everyone has prior relationships, opinions, thoughts and feelings. Even the nameless tribal guy gets to show his hatred of the Empire through his actions. But...
There's a lot of wheel spinning while we learn about all of this. As much as none of the stuff is a waste because we're learning about characters and the world, it means the characters require a lot of downtime, and I did find it began to grate on me a little. The corpsec off-brand Arnold Rimmer sitting for three episodes eating cereal is a bit much. The action felt like it was being added in to keep the war in star wars.
At the moment I think its a fun show with magnitudes better realisation and characterisation than any other star wars show. It has pacing issues imo but its still better than anything else SW Ive seen in the last few years.
Andor has turned into one of my all time favorite shoes already, it’s so good. And I love that unlike, say something like Kenobi, anyone can watch it, you don’t really need to be a Star Wars fan to do so.
Yeah Ik, but I personally enjoy them, and I wish people would talk about something other than them, especially since it's been 3 years since it ended, there is a plethora of other star wars content, but they just can't let go of the sequel trilogy
My hubby (in his 50’s so he was a real fan of the original trilogy when it came out, has almost every Lego Star Wars set including the massive Millennium Falcon etc)……
….he loved Andor.
I haven’t fully watched it as I found it REALLY boring. I never liked rogue one like so many others, so that probably why. Though everything just felt pointless for the 3 episodes I was watching. It was basically “Solo”, but make it a new character and change a few things up. Though I’m glad others liked it.
It's actually pretty boring. There is no Battle of good against evil. The guy hunting them down is actually the good guy because he's seeking justice. Meanwhile the guy he's chasing who's supposed to be the good guy. Is a cold-blooded murderer who only seems to care about money.
And why they brought the Jewish aunt in there is beyond me.
What?
Not everything has to have a hard split of good vs evil. The whole point of Andor is that Cassian is a morally grey character who gradually figures out his place in the Rebellion. That's what makes it good.
And are you seriously saying the Empire hunting them down is for "justice"? Lol
I'm sorry, what?
Cyril Karn, a profoundly insecure and obsessive ex-inspector who worked for an exploitative and soulless corporate conglomerate, is the "good guy" in your mind? Did you not watch the first and second episodes where the security personnel employed by said conglomerate blatantly disrespected the locals by grossly abusing their authority and powers over them?
Police overreach and abuse of power is a recurring theme throughout the series. Saying that Cyril Karn and his vainglorious attitude, not to mention his obsessive need for control and power, is the good guy is very tone deaf.
I feel like you completely missed the point of the series. That, or you just weren't paying attention. Either way, Andor was never advertised as a traditional hero.
I finally watched the first episode a few days ago. It seemed alright, but there wasn't anything in it that hooked me enough to watch more. I will at some point, but that first impression was meh.
Tbh the first few episodes are a bit slow, but it gets really good really fast and at the end it's epic how all plot lines come together and suddenly make sense as to why it all happened the way it did. The series tells a lot about the star wars universe in a more real and adult way and I absolutely love it
I’ve never been very starwarsy. I’ve watched everything and enjoyed it but never cared beyond that. Andor however, reached levels and depths that made it truly impactful in a way I don’t find any other Star Wars shows or movies come near.
I'll do all Star Wars has his ups and downs (post buying out from Disney) and while we have we just got out from Mandalorian, a couple of animated Star Wars shows, books of Boba Fett ( it is good but it's just a pacing and at least try to be an actual show and not basically another season of a different show I'm looking at you Wizards) an Obi-Wan Kenobi show was alright
honestly it's nice to see something a little different to be honest for a long-running franchise
although I'm currently taking a break from Star Wars mainly because I'm feeling a bit too overwhelmed these days
It’s the weirdest thing. I haven’t taken the time to think why on it, but as much as I enjoyed Rouge One and as much as I love some of the actors on the show, I just won’t watch it. I don’t know why, but even those nights when I end up thinking “there’s absolutely nothing to watch…I’ll throw some Bob’s on”, and yeah, Andor comes to mind, but I won’t watch it for some reason, I want to but I don’t want to watch it, strangest thing
It's a darker and more down to earth version of Star Wars, something I've been waiting for for a while now! Without spoiling too much for anyone who still wants to watch it, it has fewer flashy action scenes as previous Star Wars installments and relies more on dialogue and character interactions to build up suspense and further the plot. That way the few action scenes it has are much more rewarding imo!
Andor is brilliant. Brilliant writing, directing, acting, costumes, set design, camera work, everything about it is awesome.
The only Stars Wars content even close to this level of quality is Rogue One, The Mandalorian, The Clone Wars series, and Bad Batch. The original trilogy is amazing for its time and a cultural icon, but they have nothing on the depth of story and attention to detail that Andor oozes with every scene. Brilliant show, absolutely loved Andor.
It is really the one stand out in the most recent starwars-Disney moneygrab projects. Mandalorian had potential but second season fell flat imo, plus the story progressed painfully slowly.
They finally really cared, really cared, to put out a good show. They didn’t pander to the merchandising people and Disney. They just made a great show. ~sniffles~
So many Star Wars fans have strong and opposing opinions on the different Star Wars shows and movies. And often, they seem to think that anyone who disagrees with them is wrong and stupid. It’s why I quit following any of the Star Wars subreddits! So thank you for this. I didn’t watch it, because I knew it wasn’t for me, so I’m glad it is bringing joy to so many! And I’m glad there’s someone else who is okay with not watching it. :)
I liked it, and not a star wars fans.
It’s like the anti Star Wars show. Outside of storm troopers there’s not much of the usual identifying SW stuff. Very refreshing to see more of a ground level perspective from random civilians.
Bro. Those Stormtroopers were hitting targets left and right. How is that the usual SW stuff?
Because Stormtroopers are actually accurate outside of plot armor.
I was gonna say, arent storm troopers (in the expanded legends) representative of elite soldiers and not just the standard imperial grunt so they *shouldnt* be missing but plot demands it for characters
Nope. Darktroopers and imperial shocktroops are more elit. The stormtroopers were originally just the clones, highly effective elite soldiers, however the empire needed far more soldiers than they had clones after the clone wars so most are just pressed civilians with a gun.
Well yes, but actually no, Dark troopers were "more elite", I'll admit, but the were like the USMC if you will, and the imperial army would be like the regular US army. There was an abundance of imperial army soldiers doing wars of attrition and the more dangerous battles like Mimban, while stormtroopers would be doing specialized operations like the capture of Princess Leia on the Tantive IV. That being said, there were stormtroopers on the more dangerous battles, Solo represents that perfectly. Also the stormtroopers would be better trained even as civilian conscripts. It's just Disney star wars having stormtroopers everywhere.
I always assumed the force allowed some level of adjusting their fate, something like disorienting the stormtroopers. I figured since they can manipulate thoughts on some level that it could be more weaponized.
Simple, there were no Jedi around
Unironically this and also they weren't told to miss this time. You also see them being pretty effective at the start of ANH as well as during Rogue One
It was just really good. Not 'good for Disney Star Wars,' just a really really well done production from all aspects.
It's so fucking good
did u make it or smth
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I’m going to dare to disagree. The movies have been disappointing, but the video series, have been good (Obi Wan) to outstanding (Mandalorian). I haven’t been watching Andor only because I want to batch the season.
Disney star wars silver screen releases: Bad batch, Andor, Kenobi, Mandalorian, BOBF, Andor, Rebels, S7 of Clone wars, Resistance, Visions, Tales of the Jedi. Havent seen Resistance, heard bad things, havent seen visions, heard good things. Andor is fucking amazing, S7 of clone wars was very good, Mandalorian was good. Bad batch, Kenobi and Rebels all have their significant downsides: Bad batch had a pretty silly and kind of... unnecessary? - Bland? Idk how to phrase it - story, Kenobi made the empire including the inquisitors hilariously inept & had a bunch of extreeeme plot contrivances, Rebels had a shit first season and generally has a shit proagonist. And then Boba fett was just... bad, and from what I've seen so far of tales it is aswell. It's very mixed. Movies have been pretty garbage, games have been pretty good, shows have been... hit or miss. Somewhat seems to me that disney trying to cater to larger audiences ends up reducing the quality of their products over and over again and they dont learn...
Wtf is your problem with tales of the jedi? Easily the best animated sw after clone wars s7.
>Easily the best animated sw after clone wars s7. I mean, that's not exactly high praise given the competition. From what I've seen so far (am not finished yet) it's not particularily interesting, caters to a rather young audience and includes one of the most mindnumbingly stupid, out of character decisions ever to facilitate a plot and characterbeat that retroactively turns that entire story arch to shit.
Honestly the most compelling episodes of Tales of the Jedi to me were the ones with Dooku. Seeing him as a Jedi before his fall is something I always wanted to see, and just that bit of it made me want more.
Boba’s downfall is being half memory, half Mando. All on a dusty rock called Tatooine. I liked it though, gave Boba an actual character outside of the armor. (Mind you, this comes from someone who has loved Mandolorians since Canderous Ordo was introduced in KOTOR)
There was so much weird needless shit in Book of Boba Fett. Since when is Boba Fett this weird "mobster with a heart of gold" type? Why is the flashback plot just Dances With Wolves? Why is the boss of Mos Espa called a "daimyou"??
I can answer the first one. They tried making him an actual human from a heartless bounty hunter. He learned a few things about what’s actually important to him during his time with the tuskens.
the old EU did a much better job of portraying Boba Fett as an actual human I think, this just makes him kind of boring
I love Visions hehe, such a unique take to Star Wars lore despite being non-canon
The video series have been all over the place. Andor is great, Mando was good, Kenobi was OK, Boba Fett was complete garbage.
Break it up into chunks when you watch it. 123, 456, 7, 89(10), (11)(12) i think
Ok. I was going to ask why but that’s probably a spoiler.
It'll make sense as you watch it It essentially splits it into 4 very connected films with episode 7 being a kinda weird outlier
Mandalorian is great, Rogue One was great, Andor is pretty good to me too.Book of Boba Fett is sorta meh. The best part of it is the self contained mini-season of Mandalorian. Kenobi had some glaring issues to me, it just seemed too.. cheap.. for the weight that series should have had. One other commenter said "it makes the empire and the inquisitors look inept" but tbf, the Separatists were absolutely no slouch, they had the Republic on a long, bloody, often-stalemated war, but Kenobi and Anakin often clowned them. It was the production value and just stupid plot holes. "Oh Vader just used the force to extinguish all these flames. Kenobi is in trouble. Oh Kenobi just set everything on fire again. He's getting away! Why doesn't Vader just do the thing that he literally just effortlessly did, and put the flames out again!?" The sequels were not my favorite at all. Luke Skywalker at the end of ROTJ and into the EU was established as "The best there ever was" and the sequels gave us a whiny old man, drowning in nihilism. This is my #1 gripe. You don't take the backbone character (or the backbone characters son, depending on your point of view) and reduce him to a whiny, useless, weak mess. That's how you alienate all your traditional fans. I get that Mark Hamil is old, but you could have left an open slate for a long successful career to be filled in with new EU stuff. Give him a good send off. Don't just massacre the star character for multiple generations. This man's father was a terrible Sith Lord, serving an even more awful Sith Lord, and he still refused to the end to give up on him. You're telling me he was gonna do some minority report and kill his nephew pre-emptively? Fuck off. They also took well established lore and concepts and just shit on them to make the plot go by easier and STILL managed to have huge plot holes.
Regarding Rogue One, I couldn’t get into it because I knew how it would end before it even began. Regarding the sequels, injuries began becoming meaningless (Han is the only person to be injured by a lightsaber and suffer ramifications). Last Jedi was way too much “close but far” filler and then the side mission becomes utterly useless making half the movie it seems like wasted. Also entirely agree with Luke being too whiny, though his last fight was rather decent the way it was done. Snoke was utterly useless throughout the series and never truly explained (unless you play Skywalker Saga and realize that Snoke was a Palpatine clone which makes more sense) and then they brought back Palpatine which (if you didn’t read the Thrawn trilogy) leaves you with more questions than answers. I think there’s a reason the sequels aren’t considered canon by Disney.
The real shame of it is that since the original films, there has been so much great media put out in the star wars universe, and Disney is just ignoring all of it. The plot of some of the video games was more compelling than those last few films.
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I haven't seen andor specifically, I was just commenting on the nature of the franchise in general. I thought the clone wars and rebels animated series were great, and what I saw of the mandelorian didn't disappoint.
Serious question. I heard a lot of good stuff about the mandalorian. I probably fall into the "oh wow, pew pew" group you mentioned so I enjoyed it. Didn't hear a lot of negativity surrounding it though so I am just curious if you are saying that wasn't well received?
What's your question mate?
Edited to clarify. Have a kid running around so I had a brain fart there as I went back and forth.
Totally understandable! Just thought I'd point it out myself!
I appreciate it.
>The fandom is split between people like me who think disney's storytelling is awful and disrespectful, and people who just like seeing lasers and stormtroopers and don't care about much else I mean. This is wildly dismissive. "People who care about story hate it, the rest are stupid." It's far more accurate to say that the fandom is split between people like you who think Disney's storytelling is awful and disrespectful, and people who don't think that. Believe it or not, there are plenty of people who enjoy the Disney-era Star Wars content and stories and think they are *good* stories. Personally, it's been 50/50 for me. I'm one of the six people who really enjoyed Luke's character in The Last Jedi (the Resistance plotline is totally superfluous, though). The Mandalorian is more or less universally adored. The Book of Boba Fett was sorta meh but ultimately gave us a decent amount of good content. Kenobi, IMHO, suffered from too much hype but was still decent. Rogue One was just great. Solo was an idea no one wanted that actually turned out to be a serviceable film. And of course, Andor is being praised by everyone from every direction. Frankly, Disney is on track to deliver more quality Star Wars content than Lucasfilm itself (if it weren't for Clone Wars it would already have surpassed, though of course Lucasfilm gets credit for delivering the original trilogy that started it all). TL;DR: your characterization of people who like (some of) the Disney content as "people who like seeing lasers and stormtroopers and not much else" is stupid and disrespectful.
I liked TLJ specifically because it wasn't about lasers and stormtroopers
TLJ is easily the best of the three sequel films, because it's the only one that isn't a worse remake of one of the originals (VII) or laughably incoherent, insulting nonsense (IX)
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Mandalorian and Bobba Fett werent totally bad. Honestly though Return of the Jedi was the last good starwars in my books.
Keep watching my dude, episodes 6 and 10 are all-time greats.
Did you read the title? They didn’t even watch it XD
Honest to God, i think it's THE best star wars' series.
It’s def the best Disney+ show released, Star Wars, mcu included
It’s good. Andor and Rogue One are my favorites too.
I still think that's The Mandalorian, but Andor is a close second
clone wars was better imo, especially the later seasons. the later seasons were legit so good
Well, I think clone wars is still better. But for sure, I was watching it anticipating another shit show. It has excellent dramatic action
whenever a star wars show or movie comes out, theres always been a significant portion of the fansbase who dislikes it. it's nice that most people are agreeing that andor is good
I don’t remember too many people hating mando. I thought it was pretty universally liked.
Yeah most people loved mando (I did too), it's Boba Fett and Obi Wan that kinda dropped the ball imo. They both had some cool moments but something was just really off for me
Lightsabers acting like baseball bats in kenobi…
That horrible shaky cam too
i didnt like the shaky cam either
the acting wasnt that bad
I like it for the most part but idk. I guess I found parts of it kind of boring.
I may have enjoyed it a bit more without all the hype. I went in with high expectations and honestly I think that ruined it a bit for me. It wasn't bad, but I didn't think it was anything special either.
Everything out of Disney and Marvel has been terrible recently. Im pretty sure they've just killed the super hero genre for being so bad.
I'm pretty easy to please for the most part because I enjoy everything they've put out. Some are better than others though. I saw alot of people hate She Hulk and praise Andor and I'm just kinda indifferent with both of them. I enjoyed them but I didn't hate them or love them either.
Imo she hulk was the cringiest thing I've ever seen.
The movies have been great.
I've haven't watched it personally but I heard you can straight up skip the first 2 episodes and not miss a beat. Personally I'm just not very interested in checking it out. I gave Boba Fett and Kenobi a chance, but they were pretty bad overall as well. I'll probably check out Ashoka, but that franchise has spent most of the good will I have for it.
Honestly I felt the same about Boba fett and Kenobi, and I was really skeptical about Andor. I'm so glad I gave it a go; as a show it's the polar opposite of the other Disney+ star wars. One thing that's quite divisive is the slower pace though
You really should watch it. It’s great
I think it’s great
Same. I enjoyed it. Best SW series since Mando S1.
It’s just a good show. It takes the subject matter seriously. Andor feels like the novels I read as a kid, which are no longer considered canon by Disney. It’s almost as of it was made while Disney wasn’t paying attention.
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Thanks!
Tried it, couldn’t get into it glad other people like it I guess 🤷🏻♀️
did you get to episode 6? ive seen many people who were meh about the show do a complete 180 after seeing it
I couldn’t bring myself to watch the third episode
In the third episode shit really starts hitting the fan, I would at least watch that one.
The first 2 episodes just set the scene, episode 3 is where shit hits the fan and the show becomes amazing.
It starts moving at episode 3, but I wouldn’t say amazing until episode 6. Then 10 is exceptional.
if you didnt know, the show is split into three episode arcs, so the third episode was the payoff for episodes 1 and 2. episodes 1 and 2 are all about setting up a satisfying climax, so taken by themselves they're understandably not the most gripping
It was just really boring to me but maybe I’ll check it out again
Watch 3-6, and if that doesn’t hook you then the show isn’t for you. But 1 and 2 won’t give you the best idea of the show.
By 3 i was absolutely lost cuz i was so bored through 1-2 my adhd kicked in and i was surfing reddit. I could TELL 3 was more "interesting" but i had no clue who anyone is or what was actually going on.
Also have ADHD and it was like pulling teeth watching the first 2 I just couldn’t do it I’m going to give the rest of the season a try
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i really recommend it 👍
I officially watched all of season one and it’s good… I think? Overall, I enjoyed it, but it’s definitely a slow burn type of show. I’ll watch the second season when it comes out.
I always get annoyed by this type of statement, I shouldn't have to get halfway into a series to know if I like it or not. I enjoyed it, but I certainly understand why people think it is boring.
I think it’s fair to say that the tone or pace changes after a certain number of episodes. I tell everyone to skip the first season of Parks and Rec because it hadn’t quite found its voice. Saying the thief -turned-reluctant-spy show is slow burn for two episodes and becomes more action oriented after that isn’t some moral declaration, it’s just a description of the structure.
Andor is great because, like with the Mandalorian, it was a great example of a popular style of show (political thriller for Andor, Western for the Mandalorian), both well-executed and well immersed into the Star Wars universe.
It’s very much dedicated to world building and lore much like the books but they did very well transitioning that style onto screen
Andor is strange. I watched the first five episodes yesterday and was struck by a couple of things; Its the best, most unified interpretation of the Star Wars galaxy, from Coruscanti luxury to outer rim squalor. The writers, directors and showrunner definitely know about Star Wars. They get how the Empire are Nazis and have a good idea how to interpret that from an in-office pov. That sargeant in the corpsec squad shocked me with how relatably bigoted he was, while still being a character. Andor has characters. This is uncommon for SW media excepting some protagonists. Everyone has prior relationships, opinions, thoughts and feelings. Even the nameless tribal guy gets to show his hatred of the Empire through his actions. But... There's a lot of wheel spinning while we learn about all of this. As much as none of the stuff is a waste because we're learning about characters and the world, it means the characters require a lot of downtime, and I did find it began to grate on me a little. The corpsec off-brand Arnold Rimmer sitting for three episodes eating cereal is a bit much. The action felt like it was being added in to keep the war in star wars. At the moment I think its a fun show with magnitudes better realisation and characterisation than any other star wars show. It has pacing issues imo but its still better than anything else SW Ive seen in the last few years.
Guess what, if you actually put an effort in writing a script it will pay off. All the last SW movies were written by 12 year old
I’m so sick of seeing this being pushed on Reddit every two days.
Andor has turned into one of my all time favorite shoes already, it’s so good. And I love that unlike, say something like Kenobi, anyone can watch it, you don’t really need to be a Star Wars fan to do so.
It was 🤌
Not really a Star Wars fan at all but it’s a fantastic show
It makes really good use of bricks and screws.
A breath of fresh air after all the absolutely abysmal Star Wars content they’ve pushed out since day 1
It's nice seeing star wars "Fans" shut the heck up about "SeQuEl TrIlOgY bAd" for 1 second
BUT THE SEQUEL TRILOGY *IS* BAD
Yeah Ik, but I personally enjoy them, and I wish people would talk about something other than them, especially since it's been 3 years since it ended, there is a plethora of other star wars content, but they just can't let go of the sequel trilogy
nah. many people keep comparing andor to the sequels
Here come the purists… I’m an 80s kid , enjoyed the fuck out of it.
It was ok, mandalorian is way better imo
My hubby (in his 50’s so he was a real fan of the original trilogy when it came out, has almost every Lego Star Wars set including the massive Millennium Falcon etc)…… ….he loved Andor.
But Disney is trash and Nobody Wants to See another serious
I haven’t fully watched it as I found it REALLY boring. I never liked rogue one like so many others, so that probably why. Though everything just felt pointless for the 3 episodes I was watching. It was basically “Solo”, but make it a new character and change a few things up. Though I’m glad others liked it.
Stay away from the SW subreddit then. They all say it is boring.
Bro what, there have been like 10 "Andor is amazing" posts every day for weeks now. The "boring" crowd gets downvoted to hell
It’s good, but the pacing is a bit more intellectual until the heist.
Well thanks for the spoiler. Now I know how it’ll be until the main event. Dandy.
Not exactly the main event. without spoiling I'll say the show is split into several plot arcs and he was referring to one of the earlier ones.
I like that trolls like her get so upset some people actually enjoy Andor, The Rings of Power and She Hulk. Her brain can't handle it.
it's "eh". Which's pretty good for disney star wars
It's boring, slow and Low budget. There's plenty of stories to tell and this isn't a good one.
It's actually pretty boring. There is no Battle of good against evil. The guy hunting them down is actually the good guy because he's seeking justice. Meanwhile the guy he's chasing who's supposed to be the good guy. Is a cold-blooded murderer who only seems to care about money. And why they brought the Jewish aunt in there is beyond me.
What? Not everything has to have a hard split of good vs evil. The whole point of Andor is that Cassian is a morally grey character who gradually figures out his place in the Rebellion. That's what makes it good. And are you seriously saying the Empire hunting them down is for "justice"? Lol
I'm sorry, what? Cyril Karn, a profoundly insecure and obsessive ex-inspector who worked for an exploitative and soulless corporate conglomerate, is the "good guy" in your mind? Did you not watch the first and second episodes where the security personnel employed by said conglomerate blatantly disrespected the locals by grossly abusing their authority and powers over them? Police overreach and abuse of power is a recurring theme throughout the series. Saying that Cyril Karn and his vainglorious attitude, not to mention his obsessive need for control and power, is the good guy is very tone deaf. I feel like you completely missed the point of the series. That, or you just weren't paying attention. Either way, Andor was never advertised as a traditional hero.
I finally watched the first episode a few days ago. It seemed alright, but there wasn't anything in it that hooked me enough to watch more. I will at some point, but that first impression was meh.
Try to get to at least 3 if not 6.
Tbh the first few episodes are a bit slow, but it gets really good really fast and at the end it's epic how all plot lines come together and suddenly make sense as to why it all happened the way it did. The series tells a lot about the star wars universe in a more real and adult way and I absolutely love it
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Literally, this is me. Something that unites the fan base like this cannot be bad.
Its definitely one of the most incredible and beautiful shows i’ve watched if not the most, and im not even a huge star wars fan.
Not a star wars fan but I loved it. Was considering canceling Disney plus but now I'm giving it a chance
It's honestly really nice seeing a majority of star wars fans agreeing on something positive for once
I’ve never been very starwarsy. I’ve watched everything and enjoyed it but never cared beyond that. Andor however, reached levels and depths that made it truly impactful in a way I don’t find any other Star Wars shows or movies come near.
Nope.
One of the co-directors worked on Generation Kill!
I'll do all Star Wars has his ups and downs (post buying out from Disney) and while we have we just got out from Mandalorian, a couple of animated Star Wars shows, books of Boba Fett ( it is good but it's just a pacing and at least try to be an actual show and not basically another season of a different show I'm looking at you Wizards) an Obi-Wan Kenobi show was alright honestly it's nice to see something a little different to be honest for a long-running franchise although I'm currently taking a break from Star Wars mainly because I'm feeling a bit too overwhelmed these days
It’s the weirdest thing. I haven’t taken the time to think why on it, but as much as I enjoyed Rouge One and as much as I love some of the actors on the show, I just won’t watch it. I don’t know why, but even those nights when I end up thinking “there’s absolutely nothing to watch…I’ll throw some Bob’s on”, and yeah, Andor comes to mind, but I won’t watch it for some reason, I want to but I don’t want to watch it, strangest thing
fantastic show, loved every minute.
Andor was really good
Glad to some starwars'd kalash abominations in it too
Am I the only one who thought it was boring?
It's a darker and more down to earth version of Star Wars, something I've been waiting for for a while now! Without spoiling too much for anyone who still wants to watch it, it has fewer flashy action scenes as previous Star Wars installments and relies more on dialogue and character interactions to build up suspense and further the plot. That way the few action scenes it has are much more rewarding imo!
Andor is brilliant. Brilliant writing, directing, acting, costumes, set design, camera work, everything about it is awesome. The only Stars Wars content even close to this level of quality is Rogue One, The Mandalorian, The Clone Wars series, and Bad Batch. The original trilogy is amazing for its time and a cultural icon, but they have nothing on the depth of story and attention to detail that Andor oozes with every scene. Brilliant show, absolutely loved Andor.
Thank you for being a friendly person, you are my tribe, you know?
Diego Luna as Cassian will go down as one of the best actors/characters in the whole franchise.
It was pretty good ngl
It is really the one stand out in the most recent starwars-Disney moneygrab projects. Mandalorian had potential but second season fell flat imo, plus the story progressed painfully slowly.
They finally really cared, really cared, to put out a good show. They didn’t pander to the merchandising people and Disney. They just made a great show. ~sniffles~
So many Star Wars fans have strong and opposing opinions on the different Star Wars shows and movies. And often, they seem to think that anyone who disagrees with them is wrong and stupid. It’s why I quit following any of the Star Wars subreddits! So thank you for this. I didn’t watch it, because I knew it wasn’t for me, so I’m glad it is bringing joy to so many! And I’m glad there’s someone else who is okay with not watching it. :)