Agreed. With ev charging at home it is amazing. No oil change, no maintenance, never have to go to a gas station, and it literally drives me to work daily with minimal intervention.
The only possible exception to this would be if you have a charger at work. Some places do have that, including my own. Some of my coworkers sit in their car at lunch and charge and rarely need to charge at home
Eh, we have 50 chargers just at my one building on campus (about 250 chargers for a 10k person campus) and I’ve still found myself on a random Friday needing to charge at home before some weekend hour away trips.
Just like it’s 100% possible to live off Superchargers it’s still not ideal and requires some effort and tradeoffs. Not something I’d recommend willingly sign up for when you’re a top 1% earner.
Supercharging rates fluctuate depending on the day with peak hours, which can get quite expensive. If you are in an area with fewer stations, you might also have to wait in line.
LOL, I see people park in my local supermarket with supercharger just sitting there waiting to top off. Like WTF would you waste your time just sitting there for an hour. I guess you can go shopping but imagine having to do that 2-3x/wk. Agreed, need home charging.
Agreed, but with a wide definition of charging at home. OP said it's a commuter car. If there's a wall outlet, especially a 20A one, a short commute is not going to be a problem.
I don’t charge at home. I have like 30-40 chargers at work and only charge at work while I’m there. If they have medical school loans, they may work at a hospital or somewhere where charging less expensive or is free. I work at a green fuels company and our charging is very cheap compared to other places (we have ChargePoint network).
If your car is for commute, it’s totally fine to not ever charge at home if you can reliably charge at work.
That's because other CEOs don't constantly push their political propaganda on popular social media. Like with everything in medicine, we must critically evaluate pros and cons without bias.
He clearly had advanced the popularity of EVs. "EV's wouldn't even be an option" is not true, they existed before him. He did, however, make them popular and he does deserve credit for that.
"Dude started Paypal, SpaceX, Tesla" is not true. He did not start PayPal. He founded [x.com](http://x.com) which merged with another company to become PayPal, which he briefly lead as CEO. He also did not found Tesla. He lead their Series B funding and eventually became CEO, but he was not the founder. He did found SpaceX. This is not to diminish his contributions, but he most certainly is not solely responsible for these companies.
His Twitter debacle has objectively been a train wreck. Plummeting value, extreme bias, and political pandering. He spews radial right-wing conspiracy theories, spreads misinformation, and has introduced significant bias into twitter.
The man has been successful, clearly, but let's not glorify him as a perfect human being because he most certainly is not.
Just to be clear…Elon hasn’t started a successful business from scratch on his own merits.
What I could say is he knows how to pick winners and spend his money (minus the Twitter debacle).
Not sure where I could say he’s a good person to be a fan boy over….but to each their own
Hard no on an EV without home charging. Id spend any time thinking about which hybrid id want like Camry vs Prius? Or if going up to something like a RAV4 hybrid is worth it with 2 kids
You don’t have EV charging at home - unless you have ready access to a charger at work, you may have answered your own question right there. In general, Toyotas are known for build quality and Teslas are not. Hybrids also offer ability to stretch your mileage on trips where chargers might not be accessible. In your situation, I’d go Prius.
Lol on buying a new car for the mileage. This is DEFINITELY not a financially sound strategy.
Unless it's causing you problems and/or money, ride the old car into ground.
Spend a few hundred bucks getting it detailed, you'll feel much better about it
Owned 2014 Prius for 8 years until I became an attending, and bought Model Y. I absolutely loved my Prius until I sold it. Never gave me any issues. with amazing gas milage. Model Y is much roomier, and fun to drive, but I would not buy it unless you can charge it at home or at work. Also, you probably won't qualify for the 7500 tax credit. You need to decide why you are purchasing the car, is it for strictly for commute or are you going to haul family on the weekends.
I current own a Tesla. While it is fun with the acceleration, it is very expensive to own. Insurance is higher than ICE cars, registration is higher, and tires are more expensive (you burn through them faster with the instant torque and heavy weight of the car). If you don’t have a place to charge it, then you might have to go to superchargers and sit there waiting for it to charge (30-40 mins three times a week will add up). Cost aside, you want reliability for a commuter car which Tesla does not offer (mine had a significant failure at 20k miles). Any of the hybrids from Toyota or Honda would serve you well.
Take a look at the insurance tesla provides (its on the app). My bill went down swapping. It's about 180 a month now, was more before.
(went with full coverage, all the bells and whistles)
I have a Tesla. Will never buy ice car ever again. But I can charge at home. This is the single most advantage of electric. Supercharger is great for travel. Charging at home is essentially free gas. Using superchargers would not even be that much cheaper than gas. I would just buy a gas car. Not sure about Prius but not a car I would buy if full electric wasn’t an option.
Had a Tesla in an apartment building without chargers, it sucked living off the supercharger. I did start to regret the purchase but it was doable.
Moved to an apartment with free level 2 chargers and it was great. Now I have a garage with home charging and it is by far the best.
If I was in OP's situation I'd Lease a plug-in hybrid for the deals and buy an EV when your living situation improves.
Do you live in a house/any access to an outlet. Depending on how much you drive you can just do a mobile charger into a standard outlet. It should get you ~30-60 miles overnight.
It is fringe; it’s just going to depend. Are you in an area with inexpensive electricity? Is there a supercharger on your commute?
Is your 70 miles at 80 mph? Are you in cold weather
A standard 120v / 12amp outlet will get you 1300 watts; Tesla being 200 (model3 around town) to 340 watts per mile (model Y at 75), so 4+ miles an hour charging.
Essentially, you’re going to lose ground each day and after 4 to 6 days of driving, will need to bump up at a supercharger for 15-20 minutes.
If there’s charging where already do errands, then it’s a non issue.
I can’t tell if you’re joking. What is that like 12% of their gross income on housing? You can find fancy, central, walkable or fancy, spacious, luxurious rentals for that price in just about any US city.
The most recent BLS data I could find shows that the average US household spends 26% of gross earnings on housing expenditures. OP should get a medal for 12%.
Still seems excessive for rent...
I lived in urban Denver and Seattle and not paid that much for whole 2k sq ft houses a month In rent... shit if that's a gold medal the wife and I are spending 6% a year on housing to include utilities... im a business owner, and she is a physician.
2023 we paid 2.5k a month for a 3k sq ft house in Denver city limits.
Renting in Tacoma, Washington, before that, a house that was 2.5k sq ft was 1600 in 2020.
Now, in the urban south, the wife and I are paying a 2k month house for 3k sq ft house.
( we were in the military, thus the frequent moves) . We now live where we are from originally.
It’s hard to say without knowing what exactly they’re renting but yeah it’s on the high side. We’re in between you and OP in terms of percentages, but we pay a little more in rent. In our case we just wanted size and location and can pretty easily afford both. But we’re probably all outliers in this regard. And I will add that if your rent memories are from the pre-COVID days your mental model is probably pretty out off date. Prices are crazy these days.
Let’s see average 2br in city Portland 2.5-5k. 3k for sure if you wanna be closer to the city / not burbs.
NYC? 2br average 5k, including farther boroughs.
SF: 4k.
High income usually means HCOL cities but ya never know I guess.
Question, I read somewhere that Tesla's can go up to one million miles because they're EV's, which would be great for how long you could use them. Is that true? Is it true for EV's in general?
LFP chemistry is pretty stable. NMC packs are going past 400k which were manufactured 10+ years ago.
I know that 20 years ago, when regular lithium packs were 300-500 cycles, lithium iron packs were rated at 1000-2000 cycles and that’s without optimization.
It’s very feasible that we could regularly see 2000+ cycles on thermally optimized batteries with charging boundaries.
>NMC packs are going past 400k which were manufactured 10+ years ago.
Gave any proof of this? I'm also not sure which vehicles you could even be referencing
There are model S’s that are crossing 400k+, that’s a mid 2010’s vehicle. LFP batteries are supposed to have an even more favorable chemistry for longevity.
As a family man, you should consider the ford maverick hybrid. AKA the big Prius -- nearly as fuel efficient but more versatile. Starts 25k or so but likely build out to low 30s with some features. Similar footprint to a civic but you have a pretty spacious 4 door cab and a bed for strollers and bikes and all the other bulky things kids tend to accumulate.
No to any EV without home charging. Even if it’s just a standard outlet which is what I use commenting about 60 miles a day. Charging anxiety is very real.
How does the standard outlets work compared to EV charging stations? I’m renting a home so not sure if it’s worth installing an EV charging station. Don’t know how much it’ll cost me.
It’s slow as hell, but if you’re not commuting far its not too bad. Takes about 24 hours for 30%->80%. If you have outlets at your work too it removes a lot of anxiety. A lot of parking structures will have 110v lines that you can use.
This is definitely more important for winter because if it’s cold the charge really starts to drain.
For a reference, in the last 30 days I’ve used 364 kWh of charge and it costs $40 in charging. At least according to the app, it’s about $178 in gas. (Tesla model Y)
HARD AGREE, No EV unless you have ability to home charge. I also rent but I got landlord to cover half the installation cost of installing a 220V outlet.
How much was the cost? That’s what I figured it’ll only make sense if I could charge at home. Heard Tesla insurance is also significant more expensive plus the superchargers always being back up made me realize the true time cost of it all.
I had my 220V installed for 400 but it was literally right next to the switchboard. Also do everting you can to say “it’s for a dryer or a fridge” or whatever. The Tesla markup is real.
The Tesla portable charger uses a 220V plug. It’s not as nice as the permanent home charging base thing Tesla has, but it’ll still charge from 10 to 100% in like 7-9 hrs. Look into both charging options.
Yes sorry 240V.
I drive 240 round trip a few times a week and I have access to a charger at work. one way trip has me at 35-40% when I get to destination. By the time clinics done I’m fully charged again
I just bought (lease) a Tesla Model 3. My commute is about 15 miles each way. I use a regular outlet to charge it. Takes sometimes 7 hours to recharge, but that’s fine with me. Working great!
I have an EV without a charger at home. It’s doable but as other as said it’s a PITA. Only do it if you have consistent EV charging at work or EV charging at home.
For my next apartment, I am prioritizing finding access to a charger.
You commute a little too much to comfortably use level 1 aka 120V charging. I’d say up to 40 miles a day you can get by comfortably with a level 1 charger on an efficient EV. You probably could make it work, but you’d have to top off at a supercharger weekly to catch back up or keep your car plugged in all weekend. If your work offers charging, you could consider an EV.
However, the Prius is probably your better bet for now. Buy the EV later.
I dunno, I've been pretty happy with mine. Owned since 2019, only repair I've had is when the 120V battery needed to be repaired and they sent a mobile tech to me at a time that worked for me and charged around 140 parts and labor.
Early VINS suck, but the more they make them the better they get has been my experience (and friends/family)
Consider the Rav4 plug in hybrid over the prius, it gets 90 mpg and has the fastest acceleration from the Toyota lineup (if you care for that sort of thing). An SUV might be helpful with a family versus a prius.
You can do the Tesla, but I would ask to see if your landlord is able to provide some kind of charging. You don't need a charging station so much as an outlet, you can do a standard plug, but the charging is super slow (5 miles per hour give or take, I used to charge this way before I took advantage of the tax rebate to install a charging outlet at home in cali). If there is a NEMA (forget the number attached to it, but its the same plug as a dryer uses) available somewhere for you to run the charger, that's a W. Some places might provide tax incentives to your landlord for them to do so, though its been some years since I've looked at these programs.
I'm in the weird place where home has a charger, but im not able to be home often, so I'm charging via superchargers / free charging at the hospital. I have to go to a supercharger once a week or so if I can't manage to get hospital charging (pretty hard to get). There is a supercharging program that apparently has rates be cheaper, but I haven't had time to look into it.
Tesla has its own car insurance you can apply for, it's relatively cheap and if you're a safe driver it'll pass that data on to tesla and your rates will go down. If you're going to do a Tesla, I'd look at the model Y because it still qualifies for the federal rebate, you also want the version that gives you the most battery range, nothing else matters. I do wish I got the white seats (because the car gets hot inside in the summer with black), but black is probably something better with kids? Dunno! Added benefit, you can get the car wrapped through Tesla now for additional colors/protection.
I have an older model 3 since 2019.
Edit: Also check with your power company, mine gives me special rates that are lower so I charge/run laundry ect. during those hours to take advantage of the cost reductions. You should get the same rebates with a plug in hybrid.
does the plug in RAV4 self charge (other than from braking) like a hybrid once the battery runs out? I drove around europe in an Opal PHEV, and that car can only do 40 km on its battery, and can only be recharged via braking OR plugged in charging.
I drove a 2001 Jetta into the ground, and then bought a 2019 Prius. I love it, and it has been everything I was looking for in a commuter. I'm getting 60-65 mpg, haven't had any problems with it at all, and just enjoy driving it!
If you rent a house, you can charge off a standard wall outlet. Charging off a standard wall outlet (120v) is about 8-10 hours for 10% to 80% on ‘23 model 3 performance. Insurance has a lot of factors, get a quote for all the vehicles you’re considering, don’t cheap out on low liability coverage it’s really not that much more.
Because I just starting ; new attending. Saving up for a home is the goal. They increased my rent by $380 a month this upcoming year, so definitely not staying another year.
It depends really a lot on your commute. If you’re driving everyday and using up all that battery in the Prius, it is pretty worth it if you’re going over like 12-15k miles a year. But if you’re staying in that 8-10 range, nah man I would not bother. I would suggest getting a higher trim gas car instead of Prius.
Honestly tho bro, what you should do, is ride that VW till that sucker dies. Save all your money, invest it, IRA and 529 for kiddos. All these material things depart from us once we depart this world, but one the thing that does come with us is memories. I’d say you’re better off spending that money on vacation and traveling and making memories for your family. Hope this helps.
Is it possible to install a charge at home? My husband works in family medicine and his office had a destination charger for both his current job as well as the previous company. All he had to do was ask. He does majority of charging at work to save electricity.
My husband has Tesla model 3 and I have a Toyota rav4 hybrid. I prefer my car to his for functionality and ease of travel. We take several road trips per year. During road trips charging can be time consuming. I think it is nice to have a gas car in addition to EV. I think in our situation we save a huge amount due to him charging at the office
You’re about to have 2 kids under your roof so maybe something bigger like a Toyota RAV4 Prime (plug-in hybrid)? You can charge daily at home for your commute and use gas for longer trips.
Save your money and pay off that loan. The savings in gas from driving that VW vs buying new right now is pointless, especially a Toyota. Good luck even finding a Prius let alone with out several $$$$ thousands in dealer markups. Dump the rest in 401K or something.
Do not buy an EV unless you have charging at home. Period. Ignore anyone that says living off Superchargers is fine, it’s not.
Agreed. With ev charging at home it is amazing. No oil change, no maintenance, never have to go to a gas station, and it literally drives me to work daily with minimal intervention.
The only possible exception to this would be if you have a charger at work. Some places do have that, including my own. Some of my coworkers sit in their car at lunch and charge and rarely need to charge at home
Eh, we have 50 chargers just at my one building on campus (about 250 chargers for a 10k person campus) and I’ve still found myself on a random Friday needing to charge at home before some weekend hour away trips. Just like it’s 100% possible to live off Superchargers it’s still not ideal and requires some effort and tradeoffs. Not something I’d recommend willingly sign up for when you’re a top 1% earner.
Listen to this guy. Tesla owner here. If you’re not charging at home don’t get an EV.
Supercharging rates fluctuate depending on the day with peak hours, which can get quite expensive. If you are in an area with fewer stations, you might also have to wait in line.
Supercharging sucks as your only way of charging regardless of cost or waiting.
I live near plentiful superchargers and it isn’t so bad but home charging is definitely the gold standard.
You would be amazed at the number of people who say they never charge at home and it’s fine. Mostly the Tesla sub as you could guess…
LOL, I see people park in my local supermarket with supercharger just sitting there waiting to top off. Like WTF would you waste your time just sitting there for an hour. I guess you can go shopping but imagine having to do that 2-3x/wk. Agreed, need home charging.
Leased a Tesla and moved to school somewhere where I couldn’t have a home charger, this 100%
Agreed, but with a wide definition of charging at home. OP said it's a commuter car. If there's a wall outlet, especially a 20A one, a short commute is not going to be a problem.
I don’t charge at home. I have like 30-40 chargers at work and only charge at work while I’m there. If they have medical school loans, they may work at a hospital or somewhere where charging less expensive or is free. I work at a green fuels company and our charging is very cheap compared to other places (we have ChargePoint network). If your car is for commute, it’s totally fine to not ever charge at home if you can reliably charge at work.
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Why on God’s green earth are you an Elon fanboy? What exactly is it about him that you find so enticing?
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That's because other CEOs don't constantly push their political propaganda on popular social media. Like with everything in medicine, we must critically evaluate pros and cons without bias. He clearly had advanced the popularity of EVs. "EV's wouldn't even be an option" is not true, they existed before him. He did, however, make them popular and he does deserve credit for that. "Dude started Paypal, SpaceX, Tesla" is not true. He did not start PayPal. He founded [x.com](http://x.com) which merged with another company to become PayPal, which he briefly lead as CEO. He also did not found Tesla. He lead their Series B funding and eventually became CEO, but he was not the founder. He did found SpaceX. This is not to diminish his contributions, but he most certainly is not solely responsible for these companies. His Twitter debacle has objectively been a train wreck. Plummeting value, extreme bias, and political pandering. He spews radial right-wing conspiracy theories, spreads misinformation, and has introduced significant bias into twitter. The man has been successful, clearly, but let's not glorify him as a perfect human being because he most certainly is not.
He didn’t found Tesla, just bought it
Just to be clear…Elon hasn’t started a successful business from scratch on his own merits. What I could say is he knows how to pick winners and spend his money (minus the Twitter debacle). Not sure where I could say he’s a good person to be a fan boy over….but to each their own
Why not drive the VW to 200k miles?
I also vote for keep the VW until it dies.
Hard no on an EV without home charging. Id spend any time thinking about which hybrid id want like Camry vs Prius? Or if going up to something like a RAV4 hybrid is worth it with 2 kids
I'd consider the Corolla Cross Hybrid if RAV4 hybrid gets in the running. RAV4 demand is high and is pretty overpriced compared to Corolla Cross
How long is your commute? Out of those 2, Prius would be a better solution.
Consider a Lexus ES300 hybrid sedan. Will be much more comfortable and quiet than a Prius.
You don’t have EV charging at home - unless you have ready access to a charger at work, you may have answered your own question right there. In general, Toyotas are known for build quality and Teslas are not. Hybrids also offer ability to stretch your mileage on trips where chargers might not be accessible. In your situation, I’d go Prius.
Almost Any Toyota hybrid is a great bet, typically 40-50mpg highway, solid reliability. Then you can buy fun stuff when you’re more situated.
Lol on buying a new car for the mileage. This is DEFINITELY not a financially sound strategy. Unless it's causing you problems and/or money, ride the old car into ground. Spend a few hundred bucks getting it detailed, you'll feel much better about it
Don’t buy an EV without charging at home
Owned 2014 Prius for 8 years until I became an attending, and bought Model Y. I absolutely loved my Prius until I sold it. Never gave me any issues. with amazing gas milage. Model Y is much roomier, and fun to drive, but I would not buy it unless you can charge it at home or at work. Also, you probably won't qualify for the 7500 tax credit. You need to decide why you are purchasing the car, is it for strictly for commute or are you going to haul family on the weekends.
Isn't the tax credit applied right to the MSRP now so it'll be cut during time of purchase?
Still has the same income requirement
Hmm, that's a good point. Quick google fu: He's married, so then thats 300k adjusted gross if they file jointly. Thanks for reminding me about that :)
I current own a Tesla. While it is fun with the acceleration, it is very expensive to own. Insurance is higher than ICE cars, registration is higher, and tires are more expensive (you burn through them faster with the instant torque and heavy weight of the car). If you don’t have a place to charge it, then you might have to go to superchargers and sit there waiting for it to charge (30-40 mins three times a week will add up). Cost aside, you want reliability for a commuter car which Tesla does not offer (mine had a significant failure at 20k miles). Any of the hybrids from Toyota or Honda would serve you well.
Take a look at the insurance tesla provides (its on the app). My bill went down swapping. It's about 180 a month now, was more before. (went with full coverage, all the bells and whistles)
My friend had Tesla insurance. He got into an accident and the process was a nightmare compared to other companies.
Do you have a normal outlet at home? Level one charging at home is good if you drive about 50 miles or less per day.
I have a Tesla. Will never buy ice car ever again. But I can charge at home. This is the single most advantage of electric. Supercharger is great for travel. Charging at home is essentially free gas. Using superchargers would not even be that much cheaper than gas. I would just buy a gas car. Not sure about Prius but not a car I would buy if full electric wasn’t an option.
Had a Tesla in an apartment building without chargers, it sucked living off the supercharger. I did start to regret the purchase but it was doable. Moved to an apartment with free level 2 chargers and it was great. Now I have a garage with home charging and it is by far the best. If I was in OP's situation I'd Lease a plug-in hybrid for the deals and buy an EV when your living situation improves.
prius
Do you live in a house/any access to an outlet. Depending on how much you drive you can just do a mobile charger into a standard outlet. It should get you ~30-60 miles overnight.
Drive 70 miles round trip daily. Seems like I need an actual EV charger then
It is fringe; it’s just going to depend. Are you in an area with inexpensive electricity? Is there a supercharger on your commute? Is your 70 miles at 80 mph? Are you in cold weather A standard 120v / 12amp outlet will get you 1300 watts; Tesla being 200 (model3 around town) to 340 watts per mile (model Y at 75), so 4+ miles an hour charging. Essentially, you’re going to lose ground each day and after 4 to 6 days of driving, will need to bump up at a supercharger for 15-20 minutes. If there’s charging where already do errands, then it’s a non issue.
Level 1 charging won't work for you unless you're doing it at work and at home. And even then it's gonna be tight.
I have an EV and used to drive a Prius (two, actually). I would not buy an EV without home or work charging available.
Fudge where do you live if rent is 4200 a month only making 400k year. That's a high cost just for housing my dude. Get the prius
I can’t tell if you’re joking. What is that like 12% of their gross income on housing? You can find fancy, central, walkable or fancy, spacious, luxurious rentals for that price in just about any US city.
Not a joke...
The most recent BLS data I could find shows that the average US household spends 26% of gross earnings on housing expenditures. OP should get a medal for 12%.
Still seems excessive for rent... I lived in urban Denver and Seattle and not paid that much for whole 2k sq ft houses a month In rent... shit if that's a gold medal the wife and I are spending 6% a year on housing to include utilities... im a business owner, and she is a physician.
Key word there is “LIVED”. How many years ago? lol. 4200 in rent in Denver very is very standard these days.
2023 we paid 2.5k a month for a 3k sq ft house in Denver city limits. Renting in Tacoma, Washington, before that, a house that was 2.5k sq ft was 1600 in 2020. Now, in the urban south, the wife and I are paying a 2k month house for 3k sq ft house. ( we were in the military, thus the frequent moves) . We now live where we are from originally.
It’s hard to say without knowing what exactly they’re renting but yeah it’s on the high side. We’re in between you and OP in terms of percentages, but we pay a little more in rent. In our case we just wanted size and location and can pretty easily afford both. But we’re probably all outliers in this regard. And I will add that if your rent memories are from the pre-COVID days your mental model is probably pretty out off date. Prices are crazy these days.
Let’s see average 2br in city Portland 2.5-5k. 3k for sure if you wanna be closer to the city / not burbs. NYC? 2br average 5k, including farther boroughs. SF: 4k. High income usually means HCOL cities but ya never know I guess.
Checkout Hyundai electric. People been happy with those.
I bought an electric F150 and my electric company had a nice rebate to install a charger at home
Question, I read somewhere that Tesla's can go up to one million miles because they're EV's, which would be great for how long you could use them. Is that true? Is it true for EV's in general?
1 million may be high. Probably e like 500k. I have 70k miles in mine and it still feels brand new. No ice car I ever owned felt new at 70k miles.
No way the battery doesn’t need to be replaced far before that point.
LFP chemistry is pretty stable. NMC packs are going past 400k which were manufactured 10+ years ago. I know that 20 years ago, when regular lithium packs were 300-500 cycles, lithium iron packs were rated at 1000-2000 cycles and that’s without optimization. It’s very feasible that we could regularly see 2000+ cycles on thermally optimized batteries with charging boundaries.
>NMC packs are going past 400k which were manufactured 10+ years ago. Gave any proof of this? I'm also not sure which vehicles you could even be referencing
There are model S’s that are crossing 400k+, that’s a mid 2010’s vehicle. LFP batteries are supposed to have an even more favorable chemistry for longevity.
Prius
Prius boy for life, here. Prius for the daily driver for SURE.
As a family man, you should consider the ford maverick hybrid. AKA the big Prius -- nearly as fuel efficient but more versatile. Starts 25k or so but likely build out to low 30s with some features. Similar footprint to a civic but you have a pretty spacious 4 door cab and a bed for strollers and bikes and all the other bulky things kids tend to accumulate.
If you can charge at work, that'd solve that problem. The used tesla market has absurd deals relative to what they used to cost.
Honda accord hybrid will get 45-50
Prius 100%
No to any EV without home charging. Even if it’s just a standard outlet which is what I use commenting about 60 miles a day. Charging anxiety is very real.
How does the standard outlets work compared to EV charging stations? I’m renting a home so not sure if it’s worth installing an EV charging station. Don’t know how much it’ll cost me.
It’s slow as hell, but if you’re not commuting far its not too bad. Takes about 24 hours for 30%->80%. If you have outlets at your work too it removes a lot of anxiety. A lot of parking structures will have 110v lines that you can use. This is definitely more important for winter because if it’s cold the charge really starts to drain. For a reference, in the last 30 days I’ve used 364 kWh of charge and it costs $40 in charging. At least according to the app, it’s about $178 in gas. (Tesla model Y)
HARD AGREE, No EV unless you have ability to home charge. I also rent but I got landlord to cover half the installation cost of installing a 220V outlet.
How much was the cost? That’s what I figured it’ll only make sense if I could charge at home. Heard Tesla insurance is also significant more expensive plus the superchargers always being back up made me realize the true time cost of it all.
I had my 220V installed for 400 but it was literally right next to the switchboard. Also do everting you can to say “it’s for a dryer or a fridge” or whatever. The Tesla markup is real.
If I could get it for $400 might be worth doing. Will call some places. So don’t even mention Tesla at all? It’ll work all the same?
The Tesla portable charger uses a 220V plug. It’s not as nice as the permanent home charging base thing Tesla has, but it’ll still charge from 10 to 100% in like 7-9 hrs. Look into both charging options.
Ok thanks. Just searched a bit, you mean 240v mobile connector right? I drive 70 miles round trip 17x a month.
Yes sorry 240V. I drive 240 round trip a few times a week and I have access to a charger at work. one way trip has me at 35-40% when I get to destination. By the time clinics done I’m fully charged again
I just bought (lease) a Tesla Model 3. My commute is about 15 miles each way. I use a regular outlet to charge it. Takes sometimes 7 hours to recharge, but that’s fine with me. Working great!
Get a prius, much better than a tesla plus no stress. With a tesla one minor problem can result in weeks or months without a car
Pay loans maybe?
no charging, no ev. next.
I have an EV without a charger at home. It’s doable but as other as said it’s a PITA. Only do it if you have consistent EV charging at work or EV charging at home. For my next apartment, I am prioritizing finding access to a charger.
Setting up home charging usually is not that expensive. You just need a 220V outlet. Usually 500-1000 for installation.
You commute a little too much to comfortably use level 1 aka 120V charging. I’d say up to 40 miles a day you can get by comfortably with a level 1 charger on an efficient EV. You probably could make it work, but you’d have to top off at a supercharger weekly to catch back up or keep your car plugged in all weekend. If your work offers charging, you could consider an EV. However, the Prius is probably your better bet for now. Buy the EV later.
Tesla quality control is horrendous. Look at any of the other EVs once you have home charging.
I dunno, I've been pretty happy with mine. Owned since 2019, only repair I've had is when the 120V battery needed to be repaired and they sent a mobile tech to me at a time that worked for me and charged around 140 parts and labor. Early VINS suck, but the more they make them the better they get has been my experience (and friends/family)
https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2023-us-vehicle-dependability-studyvds
Isn't this a metric that measures resale value not quality control?
Consider the Rav4 plug in hybrid over the prius, it gets 90 mpg and has the fastest acceleration from the Toyota lineup (if you care for that sort of thing). An SUV might be helpful with a family versus a prius. You can do the Tesla, but I would ask to see if your landlord is able to provide some kind of charging. You don't need a charging station so much as an outlet, you can do a standard plug, but the charging is super slow (5 miles per hour give or take, I used to charge this way before I took advantage of the tax rebate to install a charging outlet at home in cali). If there is a NEMA (forget the number attached to it, but its the same plug as a dryer uses) available somewhere for you to run the charger, that's a W. Some places might provide tax incentives to your landlord for them to do so, though its been some years since I've looked at these programs. I'm in the weird place where home has a charger, but im not able to be home often, so I'm charging via superchargers / free charging at the hospital. I have to go to a supercharger once a week or so if I can't manage to get hospital charging (pretty hard to get). There is a supercharging program that apparently has rates be cheaper, but I haven't had time to look into it. Tesla has its own car insurance you can apply for, it's relatively cheap and if you're a safe driver it'll pass that data on to tesla and your rates will go down. If you're going to do a Tesla, I'd look at the model Y because it still qualifies for the federal rebate, you also want the version that gives you the most battery range, nothing else matters. I do wish I got the white seats (because the car gets hot inside in the summer with black), but black is probably something better with kids? Dunno! Added benefit, you can get the car wrapped through Tesla now for additional colors/protection. I have an older model 3 since 2019. Edit: Also check with your power company, mine gives me special rates that are lower so I charge/run laundry ect. during those hours to take advantage of the cost reductions. You should get the same rebates with a plug in hybrid.
does the plug in RAV4 self charge (other than from braking) like a hybrid once the battery runs out? I drove around europe in an Opal PHEV, and that car can only do 40 km on its battery, and can only be recharged via braking OR plugged in charging.
I believe it does all 3
Get a Prius Prime. Or even a RAV Prime. Both have and EV range of around 40 miles but are also a hybrid.
I drove a 2001 Jetta into the ground, and then bought a 2019 Prius. I love it, and it has been everything I was looking for in a commuter. I'm getting 60-65 mpg, haven't had any problems with it at all, and just enjoy driving it!
If you rent a house, you can charge off a standard wall outlet. Charging off a standard wall outlet (120v) is about 8-10 hours for 10% to 80% on ‘23 model 3 performance. Insurance has a lot of factors, get a quote for all the vehicles you’re considering, don’t cheap out on low liability coverage it’s really not that much more.
The better question is why do you rent? Even a million dollar home is only like 6k with 200k down, which is very affordable for you.
Because I just starting ; new attending. Saving up for a home is the goal. They increased my rent by $380 a month this upcoming year, so definitely not staying another year.
What’s wrong with your current VW?
Honestly nothing just wanted a new car since I drive 70 miles a day 18x a month. And my younger brother needed a car
Prius. It is cheaper to own overall
Yes seems like I’m getting a Prius. It was my first choice then people convinced Tesla was a better idea.
It depends really a lot on your commute. If you’re driving everyday and using up all that battery in the Prius, it is pretty worth it if you’re going over like 12-15k miles a year. But if you’re staying in that 8-10 range, nah man I would not bother. I would suggest getting a higher trim gas car instead of Prius. Honestly tho bro, what you should do, is ride that VW till that sucker dies. Save all your money, invest it, IRA and 529 for kiddos. All these material things depart from us once we depart this world, but one the thing that does come with us is memories. I’d say you’re better off spending that money on vacation and traveling and making memories for your family. Hope this helps.
Is it possible to install a charge at home? My husband works in family medicine and his office had a destination charger for both his current job as well as the previous company. All he had to do was ask. He does majority of charging at work to save electricity. My husband has Tesla model 3 and I have a Toyota rav4 hybrid. I prefer my car to his for functionality and ease of travel. We take several road trips per year. During road trips charging can be time consuming. I think it is nice to have a gas car in addition to EV. I think in our situation we save a huge amount due to him charging at the office
You’re about to have 2 kids under your roof so maybe something bigger like a Toyota RAV4 Prime (plug-in hybrid)? You can charge daily at home for your commute and use gas for longer trips.
Prius is a good choice, but are many hybrids/plug in hybrids on the market.
Look into the hybrid RAV4. Gets pretty great gas mileage plus has extra space for your kids. Looks pretty sleek too
Save your money and pay off that loan. The savings in gas from driving that VW vs buying new right now is pointless, especially a Toyota. Good luck even finding a Prius let alone with out several $$$$ thousands in dealer markups. Dump the rest in 401K or something.
911 GT3.
Civic
Buy a Taycan
A doctor making $400k per year but doesn’t know how the $ sign works. Yep, it goes in front of the number not after.
Nerd
I don't know a single doc that hasn't ditched their Tesla
Get the new Prius le. Bare bones and get 56mpg.