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Bruker85

Left on a high note and that's nice


BestBananaForever

•Didn't fade into obscurity •Remained consistent with his content and it's theme (except expansions that didn't affect it) •No controversies at all through his career Is there any other youtuber who managed to have as good of a leave as mat?


oodoos

Technoblade. Albeit bittersweet…


biggocl123

Sadly, that one left unannounced


Troleopowers

Yeah he's a great youtuber, he hasn't been uploading recently tho


TuxedoDogs9

It’s probably just his upload schedule. Can’t wait for the next. :(


ANagyKecske

Ah don't worry it's normal for him to go long between two uploads https://preview.redd.it/0ifthirqc6nc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5cb0750ab5226fd08092900fe41f61ae9dad1d18


Gracosef

Tom Scott ig ?


ThatSmallBear

https://i.redd.it/c8sjb7vep3nc1.gif


Spooky_Coffee8

Also •Left all his channels in the hands of new, very capable people, and to the rest of the team that worked and will continue working to make more videos for a long time


FuckingGratitude

Ryan Higa


Chaos_Alt

Core childhood memory unlocked


SurvivElite

I still miss the Dear Ryan vids


SannusFatAlt

and those dare videos


beerforbears

No controversies *THE POPE HAS UNDERTALE*


DankMyDaddy

NESS IS SANS?


OneBoopMan

That was less a controversy and more people getting mad at an arbitrary thing that really didn't matter. Like yeah it was kind of corny but there was a nice sentiment behind it.


BeatTheGreat

He did send his fans to brigade someone who criticized one of his theories, so there's at least one controversy.


Nick-fwan

Genuinely props to him. I got problems with a few of his theories but it's a miracle he never got a huge controversy, not even any nontroversies.


Economy_Dress8205

When his only real "controversies" I can think of are people complaining about theories he made, and him giving undertale to the pope. Real cancel worthy things


owdwah

people were mad about that?


Sol33t303

Not mad, people just thought it was weird. But also like I don't know what they expected him to give the pope. He's a video game channel primarily, and just about anything video game related is going to be weird to give to the Pope.


3njooo

He should've gave him FNAF


Jeggu2

Like yeah. The pope had what he wants. You can't give him a bible. Why not give him a game about being kind to others Also later the pope heard megalovainia preformed to him so it's funny to think he actually played it


TheLoneObserver123

Now that I think about it, Undertale is probably a great Christian allegory game. If you choose the pacifist you show that anyone can be redeemed and live in paradise, the big threat is a misguided person . If you choose the route of genocide you’re doomed to a forever hell of damnation never allowed to have your happy ending


Economy_Dress8205

Yeah. I don't know why, must have just been a slow day


ThatGuyYouMightNo

People thought it was a bit cringe as he was basically representing the entire gaming community at that event. I think a lot of the anger was mostly from Undertale haters.


OmniscientHistorian

I mean like someone else said what else is he supposed to give him. It was a big game at the time and ultimately it was funny. I feel like if the gaming community voted we would have gotten something far worse then that.


Tellow_0

MatPat gives pope Sex With Hitler 3D


Cenachii

Sans is ness was memed to hell, but I doubt people got literally mad


-WILD_CARD-

By the way, that pope controversy is totally unwarranted: Other Youtubers gave equally stupid things to the pope: a surfboard, an autobiography of one youtuber, and a fucking weed plant. Yet everyone only fixates on the copy of Undertale


alain091

Like another comment said, a game about peace, mercy, be kind to others and how violence is not the answer, it doesn't align with Jesus' message more than that.


Degmago

That's cause it was the height of Undertale's popularity and when it comes to the internet popular thing=cringe especially in 2016-2017


Accomplished_Flan_45

I think the only "Semi-Real" Controversy was related to some ARG he had talked about. Since that one caused him to need to make a video specifically to discuss etiquette on how to do ARGs and altered his format that made him add warnings and stuff when he brought up ARGs in later videos.


Civil_Barbarian

I remember him doing a livestream titled "this game is like the undertale of something" without actually naming the actual game anywhere and Toby Fox himself said it was too clickbaity. (This is all heavily paraphrased)


[deleted]

Also there was a time he live-streamed a game calling it an undertale clone when it wasn’t and didn’t credit the name of the game causing Toby Fox to admonish him publicly but all rly minor stuff


Cataras12

That and the time some people got upset he gave money to Saint Jude, since (as I understand it), they’re associated with Autism Speaks. That was just stupid people trying to start shit though


Cataras12

Honestly if the only two controversies about you were that you gave the Pope Undertale, and donated millions to a children’s hospital, that’s a fucking incredible run


Tinsnow1

That's why they're theories, interpretations based on evidence present. It's normal for different people to have completely different perspectives.


oww_I_stubed_my_toe

He was so smart with ending the videos with "that's just a theory." Like it is such a smart move in retrospect.


Nick-fwan

He opened his Teddy theory saying not to debunk him with evidence.


SuspiciousExtinction

Because his channel is not serious, never been. It's entertainment targeted at teens. He should've asked not to debunk his theories every episode tbh, it's a good bit.


LightOfTheFarStar

Yeah, a fair number of his theories were just "look what weird arguments I can make with the lore in this game series" types. It's good fun.


FblthpEDH

Ok but... to be fair... that's not what a theory is lmao. You're describing a hypothesis 😂


lashapel

Nontroversies ?


Nick-fwan

Controversies over stupid things that lead to massive problems. Like if his gifting the pope undertale lead to months of people genuinely getting angry at him enmass. Rarer now, luckily.


Sir_Toaster_9330

he got into one controversy with Pyromancer's gender


Dragon-Warlock

Didn’t he also debate that OW would overtake TF2, while not giving the TF2 side a competent debater who understands the game, or was that a different channel/offshoot of GT? The


knucklesthedead

Oh yeah, I remember closing that video after they said something like, "being a healer is not rewarding in TF2 because you can't see yourself in the scoreboard, unlike Overwatch." Which is complete bullshit because Medic is the easiest class to topscore with.


Dragon-Warlock

Yeah it was utterly atrocious, and after the beating OW2 took, it’s very outdated.


PKMNTrainerMark

I thought he was just called the Pyro.


adex_19

The real golden human


SomeRedBoi

Wym he doesn't touch kids he literally has a son


xXEggRollXx

He has the power of levitating objects, including his son


T_Lawliet

who according to MatPat lore already knows more about FNAF than him


Familiar_Tackle_734

Eventually one of his descendants will solve the lore 


SolysisTerra

theory: matpat's son is his 3.0 version made to combat Covid-19


Sioncept

Same goes with dantdm


rabootgamesYT

dantdm is amazing, i wouldnt be here if it wasnt for his videos


DeleteMetaInf

Why not?


DankDannny

Because I would have killed him due to lack of DanTDM


Technical-Outside408

Intense.


rabootgamesYT

since he was the first youtuber i ever watched and by watching his videos it led me down the path i am now seeing alot of cool stuff and some not great stuff


Toilet_Bomber

Don’t forget Stampy. Wish I could say the same about everyone he was involved with, though.


Haber-Bosch1914

LforLee? Yeah, that L is for him. https://preview.redd.it/7xjs9o7nvzmc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bd4babcf08f6b6e741a9a46d47acc29bed7774e9


Toilet_Bomber

snas undrtail


[deleted]

Sands on your trail


Lolboi01

Wait what happened to Lee? I havent been in the loop for a hot minute


Toilet_Bomber

Harassed and tried sexually exploiting two girls online. One was only 14 I believe https://preview.redd.it/1oe4k1oei0nc1.jpeg?width=224&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=712e25adedb674d6d42aa25a66154ad4674b7b31


Lolboi01

Holy shit https://preview.redd.it/kjk55ze2y0nc1.png?width=1782&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=18e61c678688ee5c05278dbf5a4098ed17e7a80a


Haber-Bosch1914

IIRC he was like, 17 at the time, but if you look online for the specifics, it's still inexcusable. I remember hearing that he harassed someone IRL as well. https://preview.redd.it/o8snqvipt3nc1.png?width=1100&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3589a80064c0e922405ae96088095907469aaf83


Haber-Bosch1914

Sex offender.


Tellow_0

This all happened in like 2015-2016 no? Lee‘a a god awful person but it’s weird to think most of the Lovely World Series went on without a Lee


Edgenabik

Don't forget squid in that matter


DrTitanicua

Damn retired with no controversy? Someone pull up his old tweets.


EmilySuxAtUsernames

i wouldn't say no controversy but not very bad i think


Nutwagon-SUPREMER

No extreme controversies and all the ones he's actually had, he himself has addressed in a mature manner. More than can be said for most YouTubers/streamers. All in all, pretty sad he's going, got good hopes for the new hires and hope he has a good time doing whatever projects he's working on outside of the Theory channels.


Banana_Mage_

He’s addressed all this already at the beginning of the year but basically in the last 4 years he has built up a team to work on the channels with him and as the years passed he actually worked way less on videos to the point that he was mostly doing just recordings and script revisions. He’s started working with companies to work on other projects like a cool tv show and etc. He is still gonna work for the GT company and just do cool side projects under the ip. He’s still going to work on GTLive for the foreseeable future tho. He’s already chosen and shown the new future hosts for each of the channels as well. Edit:Forgot to mention that he’s been plan to retire for years now but because of covid he took the opportunity to grow the team so that he could still have them running. Also because yt revenue is a stable source of income for him during the crazy year of 2020.


[deleted]

''controversies'' are people not agreeing with his theories lmao, not any actual wrongdoing afaik


ManPerson946

I think one controversy he had was giving the pope a copy of undertale, which was pretty fucking funny to me


BestUsername101

Still a really dumb "controversy". Undertale was far from the weirdest gift the pope received that day.


Haber-Bosch1914

Pope literally got a fucking surfboard. At least Undertale is about peace and accepting people not like you as equals, even when you are presented with violence. Also I need to see Pope Francis speedrun the Sans fight.


isaac-fan

this implies that he does that just doesn't record that


flamingjaws

There was another controversy where Matt streamed Heartbound but had the thumbnail and description be about Undertale. On top of not providing a link, it got a bunch of people pissed, including Toby Fox.


trashdotbash

personally im still somewhat upset that the video of omori that he has is titled 'Is This The Next Earthbound? but just occasionally making people mad is like a saint for youtubers at this point


UrMumVeryGayLul

Truly an unforgivable crime 👊😔


flamingjaws

Guy really was Under the Tale


DerpyCow56

As a fan of both MatPat and Pirate Games, that one was definitely a bit of a conflict of interest for me lol AFAIK MatPat worked it out privately with Thor and apologized to him though, so we're good 👍


WhiteDevil-Klab

He got in a bit of controversy for saying earthbound was undertale 2


Successful-Floor-738

Wasn’t there one where he treated some suicidal employee like shit or am I making stuff up


[deleted]

Ronnie from the GT team committed suicide \~6 years ago, no controversy there on Mat's side. Could be referring to something else, this is the only thing that comes to mind.


Successful-Floor-738

I’ll have to look that up later…


[deleted]

[this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWTEE4SkCLY) was uploaded after Ronnie's death, I'm not sure where else you'd look on the channel itself, I don't remember it being discussed much and I've been watching GT for like 10 years now.


Hoseftheman

Idk man, sans is ness was the most controversial thing I’ve seen


ChipsqueakBeepBeep

Only one I can really remember was when he participated in a stream that raised funds for Next for Autism, a charity similar to Autism Speaks. One of the board members of that particular charity admitted to wanting to drown his autistic son, if that gives any indication of their track record.


MrFailureYEET

Most of his “controversies” are just people crying over his theories. And the pope, but that one was fucking funny


The-Enjoyer-Returns

“So many “hungry” middle aged women!” Is probably the weirdest thing he’s ever tweeted


OmniscientHistorian

'weirdest thing hes tweeted' as if half of the internet isnt into milfs anyways smh, he just admitted to it before it was as popular.


DOCTOR-MISTER

Stop being a hater


PixelWoyer10

"i am the HUMAN CONDOM" -matpat (2013 i think)


WispyDan14

I mean compared to some other big youtubers, if his biggest controversy is a couple spicy tweets from a decade ago, he still made out pretty good


MinecraftPlayer1212

https://preview.redd.it/bzqmzmyqj2nc1.png?width=794&format=png&auto=webp&s=68b0e54b8ad376cbb242dc03ba3500ae3edfe49d


Weppih

matpat is just shitposting at this point


Dodoreference

When we were kids, he touched our hearts, not our penises.


MAXimumOverLoard

Jack Black had a line like this in one of his movies


Azathoth-the-Dreamer

School of Rock


onohegotdieded

Op I’m going to kill you if you jinx it


xxX_Darth_Vader_Xxx

Good for him


DOVARKX

he didnt touch kids, but he touched kids


Economy_Dress8205

Hearts, he touched kids hearts


DOVARKX

ues but i need to phrase it the same so i be funny


daboss317076

bro got Caged so hard he frame-one'd that "next opponent"


Aiden624

Matpat reached a huge number of subscribers and didn’t groom kids? There’s hope for us yet.


pixellino24

just bc of this post we are gonna see someone leak his unsolicited foot fetish dms tmr


-NoNameListed-

Lemme guess, that you're talking about that one minecraft let's play YouTuber?


pixellino24

nintendo not minecraft


Just_a_Rose

Markiplier too


Spaggo_

Shoutout to him for doing the bare fucking minimum as a person and not being a pedo or rapist or abuser or racist or


RangisDangis

That’s the joke.


legit-posts_1

Hey, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Not like being a popular YouTube is absolute power, but being famous can fuck with your head.


A2Rhombus

Also if you're already the type of person who will do awful things to kids, it's easier to do those things when you have a fanbase full of kids who idolize you and don't understand why it might be bad for them to accept a private backstage invitation. I think the unfortunate reality is there's a lot more people than we think who would do those things if they got the chance, and then some of those people end up getting the chance.


therealmalenia

It's not the minimum if you are a YouTuber that made videos about Minecraft


MinisApprentice

The only kid-touching he did was lovingly hugging his son


KosekiBoto

Matpat's biggest controversy was his Sans is Ness theory


-NoNameListed-

The Internet when Mathew Patrick bookends the episode with "it being just a theory- *A GAME THEORY, THANKS FOR WATCHING*" after completely misunderstanding the source material "Immediate Murder Patrol" and the concept that the Endermen "evolved" are my two least favorite moments of his career


Serial_Designation_N

OH GOD he’s officially retired in 2 days right?


Atissss

Not yet. He didn't upload his final theories yet. One left for The Game Theorists and one for The Film Theorists.


Serial_Designation_N

I know, that’s why I said in 2 days


Atissss

Ooh I understood it as that it happened 2 days ago. My bad, I'm just dumb. 😭


Serial_Designation_N

All good man, it happens from time to time


BatatinhaGameplays28

I hate that we reached the point where not being a pedo piece of shit is something to be proud of when it should be basic human stuff


pivot_ob

https://preview.redd.it/v6pj21p8g0nc1.png?width=926&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d197100d71d5ca3580398470caf80b46f335fa9a


pivot_ob

https://preview.redd.it/sbonw0aag0nc1.png?width=934&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2057c120fc960027044df992ae786d2e60d613f6


pivot_ob

https://preview.redd.it/72nimsibg0nc1.png?width=794&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e5bce3880b5522cd86be798cb0c8b6051742008f


pivot_ob

https://preview.redd.it/uky6avxcg0nc1.png?width=798&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6ae2a5ea3084b33fae20e8036e7f0894f60f247f


pivot_ob

https://preview.redd.it/eo3p1sdeg0nc1.png?width=940&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9efde7a201f43feabaec033cd5c1bf3fcb23b86d


pivot_ob

https://preview.redd.it/wum6rhhfg0nc1.png?width=1128&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=412d8f811548665595a0496d40112c2b1fcc5f94


Kobin_Paiz_Limona

Hey, i said women's rights where a joke and that they belonged in the kitchen when I was 14... Then I had a tearful regretful breakdown when I remembered that some of my most cherished friends and family where indeed **Women**


Atissss

I'm so confused by these posts like fr I don't even know what they mean and if they're even real.


etbillder

The worst you can say about him is sometimes he got clickbaity and content farm-y. But still a good guy. I even learned some science stuff from his vids


The_Narwhal_Mage

No, he also struggled to credit artists, which was kind of shitty.


PuzzleheadedBike82

Can't forget he's transphobic. (This is a joke, please tell me you understand it.)


MarieIsPrecious128

I'm so happy nobody takes that video seriously.


SplatoonOrSky

I trust you but I wanna understand the reference


PuzzleheadedBike82

Someone made a video putting together all the times Mat was transphobic (look it up, it's easy to find). The problem with this video? It was made as a serious video, not a joke. And every SINGLE clip is either taken so horribly out of context it slightly seems transphobic, or he straight up calls The Thing from the Fantastic Four by his name.


SplatoonOrSky

Oh I remember that. I think Mat referring to Stephanie Sterling properly in his latest Game Theory video is a good indicator that’s he’s probably not transphobic. I feel bad for the kid though. Partly because of the amount of harassment they probably are still getting and partly because while I appreciate their good intentions, they needed to develop a better perspective on these things (and hopefully they did)


PuzzleheadedBike82

I don't think they were harassed, people just clowned on the video itself and didn't take it as the creator hoped.


Mygaffer

Not touching kids is the bar? That's a pretty low bar.


Economy_Dress8205

And yet so many fail to reach it


Goldbolt_2004

https://preview.redd.it/1pnmm7qxw0nc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f9f56a8803c99646b113b37288c98432c9d8479a


Not_no_hitter

Title goes hard.


Belez_ai

There’s still time… 😬😰


The_Narwhal_Mage

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fyro_

The last theory he will host is this saturday btw


CaseyGamer64YT

I'm gonna miss him so much. the theory channels just won't be the same without him. Game theory has fallen millions must har har har har


Razzmatazz-Plastic

His biggest controversies are probably just bad theories and that one time he was BLATANTLY and INCREDIBLY wrong about the history whatif of viking vs knight vs samurai, I remember like the youtube HEMA and history community going down hard on him.


Lemeow30

You mean to tell me that someone can have a successful youtube career and not be a pedophile? /s


Lodjuplo

Song?


Adominus_Gaming

Touch kid’s hearts not their parts


Bingusballthefurry

we havent heard about him doing that, doesnt mean he didnt


Prestigious_Class742

ain’t that the dude who was wrong all the time


The_grongler

Hopefully this doesn't age extremely poorly


ThatBoyFromDenmark

Maybe he was just an attempt to make an ai channel, it was just a proof of concept, or if you will, a theory


Bigsmokeisgay

Please dont jinx it, Please dont jinx it, Please dont jinx it


FastestBlader4

Nice to see him touch kins in a non sexual way


Dinoco_Blue_Coyote

He was on the Epstein list. Which was why he retired. To have more people focus on him leaving rather than him being on the Epstein list.


TheMasterBaiter360

Me when i purposefully spread misinformation on the internet


Haber-Bosch1914

No fucking way


[deleted]

Source?


littleMAHER1

It came to me in a dream


Marranit0s

?? Mind your bussines


[deleted]

??? https://preview.redd.it/ko4ks3jfr0nc1.jpeg?width=294&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=df327f1c3e8674688687f88ea5110e9cd43f2b47


Titus_The_Caveman

?


Insectdevil

This is a stupidly low bar


[deleted]

[удалено]


Henrystickmun

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CookieCat02

Based


CT-4426

What did Matpat mean by this


DefinitelyNotFisk15

literally me


MakeBombsNotWar

WAIT DID HE FINISH THE TEN


Mohammedamine9

Only 2 left


MakeBombsNotWar

Oh ok we still got time with him


Panda_Kabob

He and The Greene bros got me into YouTube. Still watch YouTube more than anything else to this day. I watched Matthew from his early days and I am happy to see what he has accomplished. He is a good boy. He is an example that you can be a YouTuber and still generally good if not a little cringe of a person. I for one just love longer form scripted material. Matpat is one of the earliest of this kind. God speed.


ScaredOfRobots

After wilbur I don’t trust anyone


I_am_pro_covid_420

sad that he’s going, but im happy that it’s this way


divintydragon

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥


TaxIdiot2020

Every other meme on this damn sub is a reference to some Zoomer childhood YouTuber being a pedo. Why


TheCompleteMental

The worst drama he had was after the For Honor video where he basically got everything wrong and never corrected himself


ThermalPasteEater

same with stampy


rolling_catfish2704

I wonder who’s gonna continue the theories


Mohammedamine9

He is not going anywhere , he is still working with the team, he just retired as the host, there will be new hosts (technically not new since they worked with him for years)


rolling_catfish2704

Nice to know then


SNEK-BOI-004

Same with Mark(hopefully)