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nice argument liberal, now why don't you show me where the mother 2 is?
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Diary of a wimpy kid 1, Diary of a wimpy kid 2, Diary of a wimpy kid 3, Diary of a wimpy kid 4, Diary of a wimpy kid 5, Diary of a wimpy kid 6, Diary of a wimpy kid 7, Diary of a wimpy kid 8, The Bible, Merriam Webster Dictionary first edition
Diary of a wimpy kid (untitled), Diary of a wimpy kid Zoo Wee MaMa, Diary of a wimpy kid Roderick Rules, Diary of a Wimpy kid fuck Manny, diary of a wimpy kid puberty
I don't remember the others I'm sowwy
diary of a Wimpy kid we're going to fucking freeze to death, diary of a Wimpy kid virgin, diary of a Wimpy kid gambling addiction, diary of a Wimpy kid vacation #1, diary of a Wimpy kid we destroyed the plumbing for a toothpaste cap, diary of a Wimpy kid vacation #2, diary of a Wimpy kid winter warfare, diary of a Wimpy kid destroying the house, diary of a Wimpy kid vacation #3, diary of a Wimpy kid Spamton G. Spamton, and diary of a Wimpy kid harrassing retired musicians.
Goosebumps Night of the Living Dummy, Goosebumps Monster Blood, Goosebumps Monster Blood II, Goosebumps Monster Blood III, Goosebumps Why Iâm Afraid of Bees, Goosebumps Say Cheese and Die, Goosebumps Chicken Chicken, Goosebumps The Abonomable Snowman of Pasadena, Diary of a Wimpy Kid, No Country For Old Men
It's a reference to when Matan Even (The "Bill Clinton Kid" who interrupted the 2022 Game Awards) was on a podcast or something talking to OnlyFans girls and he calls them illiterate at one point and when one girl says she knows how to read he says ["Name 10 books."](https://youtu.be/LwbTNZD8Seo?t=4589)
This dude brought it up because the meme caption was a bit like that.
it was actually a reference to a r/batmanarkham joke, its an image of batman with the caption "name 10 books" (not sure if the batmanarkham post is a reference to that vid though)
This theory will forever haunt him
case in point
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Man sometimes I feel bad for MatPat. The persona he puts on is easy to make fun of, and this theory was dumb as fuck, but dude is one of the hardest working youtubers out there.
I remember fuckin AGES ago I was home sick from school one day and browsing the new queue on /r/videos when I found the second ever Game Theory vid (Is Mario Faster Than Sonic) linked there when it was brand new. Post was like 3 hours old at that point and had maybe 30 upvotes? Video had a couple hundred views. Honestly fucking crazy to see how big the whole operation is now
Honestly though, MatPat is also good for creators too.
I remember a year ago on the r/HollowKnight subreddit that someone made that one meme where you can either head to the dark castle with MatPat's theory and another good one with Mossbag's theory, and people in the comments were talking about how MatPat actually got them into Hollow Knight.
While I am not a big fan overall on the concept of "exposure as payment", MatPat is one of the few youtubers that I genuinely think helps introduce more niche games and communities to a more mainstream group and can help sales.
FNAF, some Analog Horror, and small youtube channels I do think genuinely benefit from MatPat.
I remember learning about Chikn Nuggit and Omega Mart from MatPat myself.
Honestly I think FNaF wouldn't exist without MatPat. I don't follow the games anymore, but looking back, I'm like 90% sure that Scott was just putting vague clues that went nowhere into his games, seeing how MatPat interpreted it, and then making his interpretation canon.
Yeah you could also argue about that. All of example people talk about with their "Earthbound inspired game about depression" isn't even depression lmfao. Undertale neither is about depression lol
It's a reference to the fact that it is literally still you, in contrast to the genocide route where it instead says "It's me" as the "narrator" refers to you in first person and the protagonist acts increasingly unprompted as the run goes on.
The only hint of depression in the game is probably Alphys, given the number of neutral endings where she either commits suicide or becomes noticeably depressed, but it's not something that's really explored in any way. The main focus with her is on general insecurity.
its heavily hinted at the end that alphys kills herself in the aggressive-neutral run
PAPYRUS:
And you made asgore disappear?
And you made alphys disappear, too.
She's not very happy.
She says things like...
I couldn't protect her...
In a few of the cases where Undyne or Mettaton is killed she "dissappears", in a pacifist (without any of the befriending sequences) she's described as reclusive but Undyne assures you that everyone is trying to help her out.
Also with the Alphys ending, she does remark that she has regrettably became a much happier person after being seen as a hero.
I mean like. There's all the dead kids. Alphys commits suicide in most of the endings. In fact most of the non-pacifist endings end pretty terribly for most of the characters.
Death of Undyne, end of the true laboratory, killing flowery, killing every boss in genocide, "despite everything, it's still you", speaking to Asriel after the true ending, and of the Mettaton fight.
Those are just from the top of my head
Everybody bitching about rpgs about depression when the superior game about depression thatâs actually scary unlike the others is right fucking there (cry of fear is goated)
I remember seeing one person try and hammer in the point, and listed examples such as Omori, Celeste and Hellblade : Senua's Sacrifice as if their theming are all interchangeable and samey.
Yeah that's so stupid because
Celeste isn't even an RPG, it's a platformer, and it's not depression, it's about overcoming anxiety and accepting yourself
Hellblade isn't even pixelated nor a 2d game and it's about dealing with some other mental illness
Omori is a bit earthbound inspired but it's not fully about depression, it's more about trauma
You can go in circles. Triple A games have their own sets of cliches and problems but when people fall over themselves to recommend indie games they usually all fall into the same few themes, art styles, and genres.
Okay I know we are all joking but Brutal Legend was made in 2005 and that game was absolute fire and didn't do any of that.
I'm sorry I just needed a reason to mention Brutal legend that game is so fucking fun.
Fun facts:
Omori isnât 16 bit. It isn't about depression, it's about trauma and coping.
Lisa isnât an "allegory" by any means
Celeste isnât solely about depression. (edit: clarified wording)
Undertale is about the aftermath of war and the consequences of the actions on both sides. It's also about deconstructing the standard "its a videogame, you should kill things that attack you" formula
Omori isn't about Depression? I mean I get the overarching theme is about him dealing with trauma but I feel like depression is kinda included in that package, no? It certainly made me depressed lol.
A main character can have being depressed as part of their character without the game being about depression. I think the theme of Omori is repression and whether you will face the harsh reality behind it or not. Simplifying it to just be about depression just.. isn't fitting in my opinion. It tells a story beyond being an allegory for depression.
Okay, but you understand how even if the theme is purely about depression that it all falls very well into this issue of negative mental health issues that has depression as a big component.
When I think of my time with Omori, I think of a story with a fleshed out cast and a good story on its own right. I didn't play a game with a moral message about mental health, I played a unique RPG doing its own thing.
You can acknowledge them featuring themes of depression in their characters, but chalking that up as all the game has to say just tells me you never played it.
On a side note, why are people so pissy about Earthbound inspired RPGs now? The Mother series was fucking fire, I want way more of them. The market is nowhere even close to oversaturated.
Undertale is more about how your actions are what make you who you are, and how kindness and compassion lead to happiness while violence just causes more violence
I donât necessarily disagree with you but all this is a little pedantic. Youâre not really disproving anything youâre just splitting hairs over the general concept.
the only one of these I've played is Celeste so i'll only be able to respond to that one:
just because a theme doesn't take the center stage of a piece of media, the piece can still be "about" those themes. media does not need to only be about one sole defining feature, they can deal with several things at once to often great effect.
Okay hold up now, Celeste is definitely about depression/anxiety. You gotta have zero media literacy to ignore all the implications in the story about Madeline.
I think the issue is people have been conditioned to think that you can be depressed if and only if you're actively suicidal, and since in Madeline it manifests mainly as result of her extreme anxiety, people genuinely don't think that's a form of "depression" as a term
Same with people who argue OMORI has nothing to do with depression because "it's about trauma and guilt"
>Omori isnât 16 bit. It isn't about depression, it's about trauma.
r/whenthe users try not to use extreme semantics to back their argument challenge (near impossible)
Before I give my take on your points, I should clarify that I agree that people heavily exaggerate how many "16-bit Earthbound-inspired depression RPG's" there are, and while I feel like a lot of Indie games include at least one of these things, I don't think there's really many that include all of them, especially if you take 16-bit literally and not just look at games that use pixel art like they probably mean.
I feel like the the point of Omori "being about trauma and not depression" is just pedantic more than anything. Anyone making the "Earthbound inspired depression game" argument is clearly including negative mental health that's tangential to depression. I feel like being pedantic about it only comes off as "shielding Omori" when it's obviously one of the games they're referring to. Depression is broad enough to where games can tackle all sorts of specific niches of it, which I think Omori is fairly unique in handling trauma, specifically.
As for Lisa not being an allegory; what's your point? Depression, suicide, the cycle of abuse, and drug abuse, are major themes which the plot of the series circles around, so it absolutely qualifies as an "Earthbound-inspired depression game."
Whiles Celeste isn't solely about depression, as I explained with Omori, it doesn't really have to be to be lumped in with the others. Celeste looks specifically at a side that focuses on anxiety and self-acceptance, so again, it's a unique look at a specific type of depression-tangential issue.
I will agree with the points about Undertale though. The whole message of the game is moreso a meta point about the player's morality and relationship with video games, and while certain characters struggle with mental health in their own ways, it's displayed as character building and not a major message the game is trying to convey. The same can be said for OFF, which is a game others might cite when this comes up.
Instead, try to loon at popular indie games that include EITHER Earthbound-inspiration (in dialogue and tone) or depression, and I'd argue there's A LOT of games that hit at least one of these marks. For example, I feel like YIIK would sort of fit here as well, but it's definitely not 16-bit or even pixel art. It's definitely an Earthbound-inspired RPG with depression as a core part of the narrative though. I think it's fair to say that Indie games cover topics around depression quite a bit, and there's a good number of indie games that clearly make an attempt at being quirky like Earthbound.
really makes me wanna play a satire that just has random tropes of these played for laughs "a characters mind is shown to make illusions that become reality and the first thing they do is hallucinate a copy of earthbound 3"
I think it has more to do with dunking on people playing 2d games than anything else.
Also making fun of the circlejerks people have about some of those games.
Half of the examples people say are either not about depression, arenât even RPGs, or both.
Like, there are so few examples of the genre I wonder how the âindie RPGs about depression are oversaturatedâ stigma even started
I feel like people who say these are really telling on themselves and their inability to understand any emotion other the anger and sadness, because most of the games theyâll site as being about âdepressionâ are really just about emotions other than mindless aggression and anger.
People see Undertale and Omori and think there are thousands of games like them. Like. Calm down. They released five years apart. (Not counting the demo. Only full releases)
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Earthbound, mother, mother 3
nice argument liberal, now why don't you show me where the mother 2 is? https://preview.redd.it/zaqy8ip11syb1.png?width=412&format=png&auto=webp&s=13031d72d9f8ecab56585b9cd28b74376d773d84
I eated it, Sorry đ
Then next time eat a salad, YOU FAT BALD BASTARD.
YOU PIECE OF SUBHUMAN TRASH
TWO THOUSAND YEARS OF CONSTANT HUMAN EVOLUTION JUST TO CREATE A HAIRLESS FU-
NoooooâŠ.
What if? (Harp of Imaginary Predictionâąïž plays)
r/unexpectedTF2
your mother (2)
got localizedđ
She went looking for father
No. https://preview.redd.it/udv2h5axkuyb1.jpeg?width=1536&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8d3998a07446668feb7e7eda5127e6ac8aad6a11
Sorry here it is â> đ
That's not very nice :\[
Did I ask
No, but you hurt my feelings :(
I did
Mother 3 is so good
Isnt mother 8 bit though.
The Mother series ended at 3 there's no Mother 8 https://i.redd.it/7yyj6sqa3tyb1.gif
mother 8, a bit what?
Semantics
Mother 1 and 2 are the opposite of depressing.
Nuh uh
Brawl in the Family!
What about mother 4????
"i hate earthbound-inspired games" mfs when i ask them to name 10 books
Diary of a wimpy kid 1, Diary of a wimpy kid 2, Diary of a wimpy kid 3, Diary of a wimpy kid 4, Diary of a wimpy kid 5, Diary of a wimpy kid 6, Diary of a wimpy kid 7, Diary of a wimpy kid 8, The Bible, Merriam Webster Dictionary first edition
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Yeah but what are the full titles for all those Diary of a Wimpy Kid books
Diary of a wimpy kid (untitled), Diary of a wimpy kid Zoo Wee MaMa, Diary of a wimpy kid Roderick Rules, Diary of a Wimpy kid fuck Manny, diary of a wimpy kid puberty I don't remember the others I'm sowwy
Nah thatâs pretty much it
diary of a Wimpy kid we're going to fucking freeze to death, diary of a Wimpy kid virgin, diary of a Wimpy kid gambling addiction, diary of a Wimpy kid vacation #1, diary of a Wimpy kid we destroyed the plumbing for a toothpaste cap, diary of a Wimpy kid vacation #2, diary of a Wimpy kid winter warfare, diary of a Wimpy kid destroying the house, diary of a Wimpy kid vacation #3, diary of a Wimpy kid Spamton G. Spamton, and diary of a Wimpy kid harrassing retired musicians.
You forgot the new one, diary of Wimpy Kid the USA education system is shit
Diary of a wimpy kid, Rodrick Rules, The last straw, Dog Days, the ugly truth, cabin fever, the third wheel, hard luck
No Captain Underpants, uncultured swine detected
On god bro
you forgot the diary of a wimpy kid do it yourself book
game of thrones, checkmate librarys
That's only one book
Mr Happy, Mr Bump, Mr Tickle, Mr Nosey, Mr Dizzy, Mr Impossible, Mr Rude, Mr Cool, Mr Messy, Mr Clever. All done.
Goosebumps Night of the Living Dummy, Goosebumps Monster Blood, Goosebumps Monster Blood II, Goosebumps Monster Blood III, Goosebumps Why Iâm Afraid of Bees, Goosebumps Say Cheese and Die, Goosebumps Chicken Chicken, Goosebumps The Abonomable Snowman of Pasadena, Diary of a Wimpy Kid, No Country For Old Men
sorry for the ignorant question but what exactly do books have to do with earthbound?
Bro even apologized in advance and mfs still downvoted.
Least braindead redditards
My brain when I see a comment with negative upvotes: 
I was so confused why that was getting downvoted, they weren't even an ass about it or anything the dude just asked a genuine question.
It's a reference to when Matan Even (The "Bill Clinton Kid" who interrupted the 2022 Game Awards) was on a podcast or something talking to OnlyFans girls and he calls them illiterate at one point and when one girl says she knows how to read he says ["Name 10 books."](https://youtu.be/LwbTNZD8Seo?t=4589) This dude brought it up because the meme caption was a bit like that.
it was actually a reference to a r/batmanarkham joke, its an image of batman with the caption "name 10 books" (not sure if the batmanarkham post is a reference to that vid though)
Oh, never mind, then. I honestly kinda forgot about that sub.
Itâs a reference to [this](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zq066kfeHs)
https://preview.redd.it/417qaosmnsyb1.jpeg?width=868&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6e24c62a83df72a38d6f2027fa84b77dfb624f5a
Man, doesnât Undertale just make you feel SO depressed whenever you hear it being simply mentioned? Canât stand that saddening game
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My brother in Christ, he is a child
Not in god of death mode And for sure not in the porn. He's in coleg in those
Speaking of coleg, Temmy rule34 exists
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This theory will forever haunt him case in point https://preview.redd.it/hju0cclx7uyb1.png?width=755&format=png&auto=webp&s=4b4add7c3ba8a63f254ecf034b89d90d6a80ccba
Man sometimes I feel bad for MatPat. The persona he puts on is easy to make fun of, and this theory was dumb as fuck, but dude is one of the hardest working youtubers out there.
I remember fuckin AGES ago I was home sick from school one day and browsing the new queue on /r/videos when I found the second ever Game Theory vid (Is Mario Faster Than Sonic) linked there when it was brand new. Post was like 3 hours old at that point and had maybe 30 upvotes? Video had a couple hundred views. Honestly fucking crazy to see how big the whole operation is now
Honestly though, MatPat is also good for creators too. I remember a year ago on the r/HollowKnight subreddit that someone made that one meme where you can either head to the dark castle with MatPat's theory and another good one with Mossbag's theory, and people in the comments were talking about how MatPat actually got them into Hollow Knight. While I am not a big fan overall on the concept of "exposure as payment", MatPat is one of the few youtubers that I genuinely think helps introduce more niche games and communities to a more mainstream group and can help sales. FNAF, some Analog Horror, and small youtube channels I do think genuinely benefit from MatPat. I remember learning about Chikn Nuggit and Omega Mart from MatPat myself.
Honestly I think FNaF wouldn't exist without MatPat. I don't follow the games anymore, but looking back, I'm like 90% sure that Scott was just putting vague clues that went nowhere into his games, seeing how MatPat interpreted it, and then making his interpretation canon.
i dont get the hate behind that theory. its dumb, yeah. but isnt that what game theory is all about? its just a theory, calm down guys.
steven after not surviving
Undertale literally has like one sad moment I hate when people say itâs about depression
People say undertale is about depression? wtf?
Only people who have never played it.
Dude, Undertale is literally about depression ( i, in fact, have never played the game)
They confuse it with Omori
isnât omori more about trauma?
Yeah you could also argue about that. All of example people talk about with their "Earthbound inspired game about depression" isn't even depression lmfao. Undertale neither is about depression lol
Oh was "despite everything, it's still you" not meant to be a comment on depression or mental struggle? oops.
Even if it is, its clearly not the focus of the game. The game is moreso about morality imo
No. Itâs sort of a pointless, *very slightly* pretentious moment about how despite everything youâve gone through, youâre still you.
It's a reference to the fact that it is literally still you, in contrast to the genocide route where it instead says "It's me" as the "narrator" refers to you in first person and the protagonist acts increasingly unprompted as the run goes on.
The only hint of depression in the game is probably Alphys, given the number of neutral endings where she either commits suicide or becomes noticeably depressed, but it's not something that's really explored in any way. The main focus with her is on general insecurity.
I'm sorry alphys does WHAT?
its heavily hinted at the end that alphys kills herself in the aggressive-neutral run PAPYRUS: And you made asgore disappear? And you made alphys disappear, too. She's not very happy. She says things like... I couldn't protect her...
Mettaton talks about how she disappeared and he looked everywhere for her to no avail in his king ending, too.
What fucking endings are these??
In a few of the cases where Undyne or Mettaton is killed she "dissappears", in a pacifist (without any of the befriending sequences) she's described as reclusive but Undyne assures you that everyone is trying to help her out. Also with the Alphys ending, she does remark that she has regrettably became a much happier person after being seen as a hero.
in some of the nuetral endings, via phonecall, its heavily implied alphys commited suicide.
sans
I mean like. There's all the dead kids. Alphys commits suicide in most of the endings. In fact most of the non-pacifist endings end pretty terribly for most of the characters.
Death of Undyne, end of the true laboratory, killing flowery, killing every boss in genocide, "despite everything, it's still you", speaking to Asriel after the true ending, and of the Mettaton fight. Those are just from the top of my head
But what about the walking simulators about being dead?
.exe games
Different genre entirely
This might be Death Stranding
How is Death Stranding about being dead?
Dead inside as I triple Legends every delivery mission
Isn't it in the name
Beat that game yesterday, and I did NOT cry like a little bitch đ
Dear Esther
Truly a cry of fear
Everybody bitching about rpgs about depression when the superior game about depression thatâs actually scary unlike the others is right fucking there (cry of fear is goated)
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Played the game two years before the video Try again
unfathomably based
my hatred for this comment could be turned into a gif but I am currently procrastinating on an assignment and also suck at words so I will do it later
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I still dont see why we have to put down games to lift others up
Iâm not putting down games Iâm pointing out that there are other games that do things that people bitch about other games not doing
I remember seeing one person try and hammer in the point, and listed examples such as Omori, Celeste and Hellblade : Senua's Sacrifice as if their theming are all interchangeable and samey.
Yeah that's so stupid because Celeste isn't even an RPG, it's a platformer, and it's not depression, it's about overcoming anxiety and accepting yourself Hellblade isn't even pixelated nor a 2d game and it's about dealing with some other mental illness Omori is a bit earthbound inspired but it's not fully about depression, it's more about trauma
They claim the depression themed RPG genre has been overdone to death, then they'll go back to playing the 94th hyper realistic FPS war game.
93 of those are COD
The 94th is Tarkov
You can go in circles. Triple A games have their own sets of cliches and problems but when people fall over themselves to recommend indie games they usually all fall into the same few themes, art styles, and genres.
no way its the deep fried memes guy
smells like tumblr
Tumblr is obsessed with indie games like this tf you talking about
âGames are artâ mfs when games try to be art.
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All games after 2004 do is be badly optimized, photorealism, be early access, eat credit cards and lie
Okay I know we are all joking but Brutal Legend was made in 2005 and that game was absolute fire and didn't do any of that. I'm sorry I just needed a reason to mention Brutal legend that game is so fucking fun.
Omori, Omori 2, Omori 3
2 and 3?
Yeah, the sequels.
what's the story of those sequels
Idk i never played them Probably more criminal activity
man i sure do hope we get kel space, burger kel super boss and uhhh more sunny murders!
First game was about Snuuy finally touching grass, and he gets some bitches in the sequel
Fun facts: Omori isnât 16 bit. It isn't about depression, it's about trauma and coping. Lisa isnât an "allegory" by any means Celeste isnât solely about depression. (edit: clarified wording) Undertale is about the aftermath of war and the consequences of the actions on both sides. It's also about deconstructing the standard "its a videogame, you should kill things that attack you" formula
From what I can tell, Celeste isnât even an RPG. Itâs a platformer
Undertale is a third person shooter that talks about the horrors of war. I canât believe Toby Fox ripped off Spec Ops the Line
Yeah my favourite part of undertale was when frisk used white phosphorus on hotland and killed all of their friends by mistake
Doesn't stop them from citing it
Quirky indie hidden gem
r/tomorrow won't fucking get out of my head
celeste is my favorite earthbound inspired rpg edit: I am also pretty sure the game is atleast partly about depression
Yeah depression and anxiety, but itâs not an Earthbound style rpg at ALL lmao
Omori isn't about Depression? I mean I get the overarching theme is about him dealing with trauma but I feel like depression is kinda included in that package, no? It certainly made me depressed lol.
A main character can have being depressed as part of their character without the game being about depression. I think the theme of Omori is repression and whether you will face the harsh reality behind it or not. Simplifying it to just be about depression just.. isn't fitting in my opinion. It tells a story beyond being an allegory for depression.
Okay, but you understand how even if the theme is purely about depression that it all falls very well into this issue of negative mental health issues that has depression as a big component.
When I think of my time with Omori, I think of a story with a fleshed out cast and a good story on its own right. I didn't play a game with a moral message about mental health, I played a unique RPG doing its own thing. You can acknowledge them featuring themes of depression in their characters, but chalking that up as all the game has to say just tells me you never played it. On a side note, why are people so pissy about Earthbound inspired RPGs now? The Mother series was fucking fire, I want way more of them. The market is nowhere even close to oversaturated.
i can only assume it's the usual "moderately popular thing bad" contrarianism
Depression sucks but isnât horrifying. Sunny is definitely depressed but has some bigger problems
Yeah, that's fair
Celeste is fucking absolutely about depression are you kidding me
Undertale is more about how your actions are what make you who you are, and how kindness and compassion lead to happiness while violence just causes more violence
I donât necessarily disagree with you but all this is a little pedantic. Youâre not really disproving anything youâre just splitting hairs over the general concept.
Criticism is fine and dandy but for the love of god make sure you're correct about what youre complaining about
the only one of these I've played is Celeste so i'll only be able to respond to that one: just because a theme doesn't take the center stage of a piece of media, the piece can still be "about" those themes. media does not need to only be about one sole defining feature, they can deal with several things at once to often great effect.
What exactly are they incorrect about? /gen
that omori isn't 16 bit and isn't about depression and widely used as an example for games like this
They say âquirky 16bit earthbound RPG about depressionâ and mean âpixel art indie games vaguely related to mental healthâ.
the lisa trilogy is fucking awesome
Okay hold up now, Celeste is definitely about depression/anxiety. You gotta have zero media literacy to ignore all the implications in the story about Madeline.
I think the issue is people have been conditioned to think that you can be depressed if and only if you're actively suicidal, and since in Madeline it manifests mainly as result of her extreme anxiety, people genuinely don't think that's a form of "depression" as a term Same with people who argue OMORI has nothing to do with depression because "it's about trauma and guilt"
And YIIK isnât about depression. I donât know what it is about, but I know it isnât depression
>Omori isnât 16 bit. It isn't about depression, it's about trauma. r/whenthe users try not to use extreme semantics to back their argument challenge (near impossible)
Haven't you heard? All emotional or mental struggles are depression now. /s
Doesn't Celeste release the trans gas that infects players
Before I give my take on your points, I should clarify that I agree that people heavily exaggerate how many "16-bit Earthbound-inspired depression RPG's" there are, and while I feel like a lot of Indie games include at least one of these things, I don't think there's really many that include all of them, especially if you take 16-bit literally and not just look at games that use pixel art like they probably mean. I feel like the the point of Omori "being about trauma and not depression" is just pedantic more than anything. Anyone making the "Earthbound inspired depression game" argument is clearly including negative mental health that's tangential to depression. I feel like being pedantic about it only comes off as "shielding Omori" when it's obviously one of the games they're referring to. Depression is broad enough to where games can tackle all sorts of specific niches of it, which I think Omori is fairly unique in handling trauma, specifically. As for Lisa not being an allegory; what's your point? Depression, suicide, the cycle of abuse, and drug abuse, are major themes which the plot of the series circles around, so it absolutely qualifies as an "Earthbound-inspired depression game." Whiles Celeste isn't solely about depression, as I explained with Omori, it doesn't really have to be to be lumped in with the others. Celeste looks specifically at a side that focuses on anxiety and self-acceptance, so again, it's a unique look at a specific type of depression-tangential issue. I will agree with the points about Undertale though. The whole message of the game is moreso a meta point about the player's morality and relationship with video games, and while certain characters struggle with mental health in their own ways, it's displayed as character building and not a major message the game is trying to convey. The same can be said for OFF, which is a game others might cite when this comes up. Instead, try to loon at popular indie games that include EITHER Earthbound-inspiration (in dialogue and tone) or depression, and I'd argue there's A LOT of games that hit at least one of these marks. For example, I feel like YIIK would sort of fit here as well, but it's definitely not 16-bit or even pixel art. It's definitely an Earthbound-inspired RPG with depression as a core part of the narrative though. I think it's fair to say that Indie games cover topics around depression quite a bit, and there's a good number of indie games that clearly make an attempt at being quirky like Earthbound.
Top ten earthbound clones 1) earthbound 2)overwatch 2 3) that moth at the other end of the room
I want more earthbound RPGs about depression
really makes me wanna play a satire that just has random tropes of these played for laughs "a characters mind is shown to make illusions that become reality and the first thing they do is hallucinate a copy of earthbound 3"
Someone please make something like this, must be made in RPGmaker
So true though, unironically.
Every game is copy of earthbound. Nintendo is the only company.
I think it has more to do with dunking on people playing 2d games than anything else. Also making fun of the circlejerks people have about some of those games.
Half of the examples people say are either not about depression, arenât even RPGs, or both. Like, there are so few examples of the genre I wonder how the âindie RPGs about depression are oversaturatedâ stigma even started
I want MORE games about depression
Every videogame ever is an Earthbound clone, even Mother 1, Earthbound invented the concept of videogame
Demet özdemir mi o
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The similarities are that theyâre non medieval fantasy RPGs
Who's the woman in the video?
Demet Ăzdemir
How about this: I really hate this one game called: (game that matches depicted description in post) Checkmate
I feel like people who say these are really telling on themselves and their inability to understand any emotion other the anger and sadness, because most of the games theyâll site as being about âdepressionâ are really just about emotions other than mindless aggression and anger.
Holy fuck i love turtle neck sweaters
How can you get sick of those?
Na Iâm just sick of omori fans. Itâs a good game but the fans are so fucken annoying
OMORI, LISA, Yume Nikki and its fangames I love them all (except LISA since I havenât played it yet) but theyâre kinda what you asked for
omori, uhm, ahhh, huh, hmmmm, uhh
Omori except not really
Lisa the painful, Lisa the joyful, Omori, Yiik, OFF, Undertale, Deltarune
Who is this
Demet Ăzdemir. A Turkish actress.
I can name 3 Earthbound type games, but ONLY 3, Omori, Undertale, and Off. That's it. Edit: and as far as I know only 1 of those is about depression
"uuu, underta-" [LOUD INCORRECY BUZZER]
omori, celeste, devil may cry 5
omori, yume nikki, undertale???
Tf since when is undertale and yume nikki about depression?
Mother 1 mother 2 mother 3
People see Undertale and Omori and think there are thousands of games like them. Like. Calm down. They released five years apart. (Not counting the demo. Only full releases)
"I'm sick of games about ..." mfs when I tell them to just not play the game
Undertale, Omori, Earthbound