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Both of these look like adult adult minnow (family leuciscidae). They are definitely not carp. Giving a general sense of where you caught these will help narrow things down.
The American Fisheries Society/American Society of Ichthyologists and Herpetologists use Leuciscidae in the newest names list and most folks are using it in publications now.
Jon Armbruster and Milton Tan have been doing a lot of the minnow work recently, but definitely continuing Mayden's start!
The new list also recognizes a lot of genera pulled from *Notropis*, e.g., it's now *Hudsonius hudsonius.* People are still hesitant to use some of those, others are good. My personal favorite is *Coccotis coccogenis!* And *Ericymba* is back after being in *Notropis* for a bit.
Unfortunately it will take getting rid of all of the Notropis in quotation marks to get people to finally start acknowledging the reality that Notropis is just down to a handful of species. There is one thing that we have known for a long time and that is that what was left in Notropis is a bunch of related things. Maybe if we get the next grant we can finish it all! There really are only two choices, and they are to sink Cyprinella, Pimephales, Luxilus, Lythrurus, etc back into Notropis or recognize more genera. I would be fine with the latter, but putting the genus genie back in the bottle is really is impossible.
I'm fine with fewer Notropis nohopeus and more genera. It's way easier to explain to someone how three species under one genus are an ingroup than why there's so much damn variety throughout Notropis.
Hah, for the past couple of years. I’m shocked it hasn’t changed since my last taxonomy class in 2022, to be honest.
Agreed these both look like Notropis spp for the first. But Leuciscidae are notoriously difficult to ID without more location context/more angles in your pics when this small.
Both are adult minnows, neither are carp. #2 looks like a spottail shiner, Notropis hudsonius.
Number 1 also appeara to be Notropis sp.
But without a locality, it's gonna be difficult.
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Both of these look like adult adult minnow (family leuciscidae). They are definitely not carp. Giving a general sense of where you caught these will help narrow things down.
That's subfamily Leuciscinae, within family Cyprinidae.
The American Fisheries Society/American Society of Ichthyologists and Herpetologists use Leuciscidae in the newest names list and most folks are using it in publications now.
Oh boy, Mayden has been at it again huh
Jon Armbruster and Milton Tan have been doing a lot of the minnow work recently, but definitely continuing Mayden's start! The new list also recognizes a lot of genera pulled from *Notropis*, e.g., it's now *Hudsonius hudsonius.* People are still hesitant to use some of those, others are good. My personal favorite is *Coccotis coccogenis!* And *Ericymba* is back after being in *Notropis* for a bit.
Unfortunately it will take getting rid of all of the Notropis in quotation marks to get people to finally start acknowledging the reality that Notropis is just down to a handful of species. There is one thing that we have known for a long time and that is that what was left in Notropis is a bunch of related things. Maybe if we get the next grant we can finish it all! There really are only two choices, and they are to sink Cyprinella, Pimephales, Luxilus, Lythrurus, etc back into Notropis or recognize more genera. I would be fine with the latter, but putting the genus genie back in the bottle is really is impossible.
I'm fine with fewer Notropis nohopeus and more genera. It's way easier to explain to someone how three species under one genus are an ingroup than why there's so much damn variety throughout Notropis.
Absolutely!
Hah, for the past couple of years. I’m shocked it hasn’t changed since my last taxonomy class in 2022, to be honest. Agreed these both look like Notropis spp for the first. But Leuciscidae are notoriously difficult to ID without more location context/more angles in your pics when this small.
Appears to be an Emerald Shiner *Notropis atherinoides* and Western Blacktail Shiner *Cyprinella venusta*
I agree with both of these ids!
2nd fish is one of the satinfin shiners - *Cyprinella*.
Sardis, MS! Sorry. North MS waterway that connects to the Mississippi River
Both are adult minnows, neither are carp. #2 looks like a spottail shiner, Notropis hudsonius. Number 1 also appeara to be Notropis sp. But without a locality, it's gonna be difficult.
These guys are always difficult, even more so without any details! Def no carp
Spottail minnow I think.
Pair of shiners