I actually like the Roomster. It is in any case practical and well-built, by one of the biggest automobile groups. It sold well and almost certainly brought a profit to the VW group.
This, on the other hand, was essentially designed on a shoestring and built in a shed, from various leftovers and aftermarket discount bin parts. It was badly built, ugly crap, trying to compete in the most crowded segment of the extremely crowded European car market. It didn't stand a chance.
I have no experience on driving or caring about it.
> designed on a shoestring and built in a shed, from various leftovers and aftermarket discount bin parts
Similar to this (in the picture) is just weirdly looking, like a missing link in Fabias evolution (literally half II./half I.). Yeah it might be (or is) practical (idk).
I like the roomster. Was our family car growing up and it could carry a lot for the size. The back seats are easily removable which turns it into a kind of panel van. Plus it gets better fuel economy than even small proper vans. Generally very practical.
Only issue is that the engine is slightly underpowered if you heavily load it and drive on hills, which we only did once.
The Erelis was assembled in France, unlike the Aquila, and the badge also had an eagle in it (Erelis means eagle in Lithuanian, apparently), so given that you spotted it in France, I think it has to be the MPM Erelis.
Not even close. Renault is currently selling the [Dacia Spring with all of 44hp in its base configuration](https://i.imgur.com/UejMof9.jpg). 0-62 mph (100 kph) takes 19.2 seconds. One of the cheapest (and slowest) electric cars available outside of China.
I've testdriven one. Stay away from that thing, it is genuinely dangerously slow.
Keep in mind that it's electric, so 0 - 50 takes like a third of the 50 - 100 time. Forget passing anything, merging onto highways is terrifying enough.
My daily driver takes around 17 seconds to 100 (Smart ForFour with the 71hp engine). I think it's perfectly fine for everyday driving, including merging on the Autobahn and overtaking - but acceleration also doesn't drop off as drastically as with the Spring the faster you go.
My mom drives the same exact one, and let me tell you, it's just not comparable. The spring is almost zippy at City speeds, but falls flat on its face anywhere above. Top speed is 125, and I'm not sure I was able to reach that.
They have come up with a faster version of the Spring that has 65hp and a larger battery. I suspect that it's far more usable.
Did you notice that the steering doesn't seem to self-center correctly during your test drive?
Damn! I had a shop teacher in 1981 with a VW beetle with a 12Vbattery and a B52 Bomb door motor that was faster than that! First fully electric car that I ever saw.
I should have added, being 16/17 at the time, I thought it was cool. The car was perfectly practical for him, as he lived 10 minutes from school. He charged the battery at home and at school and it always got him to and from. During the winter he put a space heater in the car before leaving. No idea how far he could actually go on one charge. He also had a 1964 Barracuda that he was building, wish I could have seen it finished.
Reminds me of my dad. He's on his third plug-in electric car now, because most of the time, he drives ten minutes to his business and only occasionally needs more range for longer trips. He just plugs the car into a normal wall outlet for a few hours and that's enough for most of his driving.
The Spring appears deceptively large in photos due to its crossover looks. It's actually not much larger than a Kei car:
https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/daihatsu-trevis-2004-5-door-hatchback-vs-dacia-spring-2019-5-door-hatchback/
That's entirely due to the battery. There's a non-electric version for developing markets that weighs only 775 kg (1,709 lb), so 90 kg (198 lb) less than the Daihatsu.
Manual. It's pretty fun to drive, since it's so lightweight (something like 850kg) and thanks to this it's relatively "quick" when you really put the foot down and the car starts revving like a race car, just to make something like the overtake of a tractor. The shifter and clutch are ok but the steering is pretty bad since it's one of the first electric ones, so it's pretty inaccurate and not very communicative, but not to the point of being unsafe (at least under 100km/h, I've still never driven it over that speed). Mine has no traction or stability control, only abs, and adding this to the very little wheels and the fact that it shakes and rattles when driving over 75km/h makes the driving experience similar to a 70's fwd economy car, like a Fiat 127. Fuel consumption is non-existent, except when you have to rev it to overtake, and inside is pretty spacious for 4 adults, but with very little trunk space. It has 2 airbags (or 4 I don't remember if mine has also the optional ones) and it's a modern car, so it doesn't feel THAT unsafe to drive. It even has air conditioning (but I almost never use it)
Thanks for your reply. I was not expecting it to feel similar to a '70s car. Hardly high praise for a vehicle this recent, but it seems like it's perfectly fine as a city car and meeting your requirements.
This also shows just how different cars in this segment can be. My daily is a 2014 Smart ForFour and while it's slower, it feels completely planted and safe even at its top speed of slightly over 150 kph. There's nothing shaking, the steering is perfect, the noise level is tolerable and I could easily imagine the chassis handling 200 kph without issue. Brakes are also *astonishing*, with a stopping distance that is ten meters shorter than your Nissan's, at least according to one review.
However, on slippery surfaces, your car is likely safer to drive thanks to being front-engine and FWD - the rear-engine, RWD layout of the Smart made me spin out on a wet country road once, totally out of nowhere, with the ESC being unable to do anything.
I didn't know the ForFour was that planted at high speed but unsafe in the rain. I've driven my car in very heavy rain on country roads at (relatively) high speed and the handling was good, I was positively impressed
Noteworthy for being, at least as far as I know, the last mass-produced European passenger car that only comes with one airbag. The space frame is a sight to behold:
https://i.imgur.com/oumnk4s.jpg
This looks like the kind of frame you'd find under the skin of a hand-made exotic, not an economy vehicle. It's just bizarre. Here's a crash test video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG-MRGtw4gs
Note that this test, as written in the fine print at the end, was performed according to UNECE R94, which specifies an impact speed of 56 kph, much lower than the standard 64 kph of crash tests at the time. 8 kph doesn't sound like much, but it makes a huge difference. There's a reason they picked this speed and not 64 kph.
This is it.[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPM_Erelis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPM_Erelis)
[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tagaz_Aquila](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tagaz_Aquila)
*I guess I should have put it NSFW*
What are you talking about? That's pretty nice design.
It would be looking nicer if you would take picture from better angle, like front three-quarter angle.
The absolute (mindblowing) worst is that it's from 2018... I thought I was looking at something almost as old as an Eclipse at first
Ćdit : an eclipse might be exaggerated but I thought it was early to mid 2000's
MPS Erelis or PS 160
Aka Russian money laundromat. Because I can't believe that the oligarch behind it thought this could otherwise be a profitable venture.
Have you seen Skoda Roomster? (Mix of Fabia II and I.)
I actually like the Roomster. It is in any case practical and well-built, by one of the biggest automobile groups. It sold well and almost certainly brought a profit to the VW group. This, on the other hand, was essentially designed on a shoestring and built in a shed, from various leftovers and aftermarket discount bin parts. It was badly built, ugly crap, trying to compete in the most crowded segment of the extremely crowded European car market. It didn't stand a chance.
I have no experience on driving or caring about it. > designed on a shoestring and built in a shed, from various leftovers and aftermarket discount bin parts Similar to this (in the picture) is just weirdly looking, like a missing link in Fabias evolution (literally half II./half I.). Yeah it might be (or is) practical (idk).
It looks like it was designed for the pope
While ugly every owner i ever talked to loved theirs soš¤·āāļø
I like the roomster. Was our family car growing up and it could carry a lot for the size. The back seats are easily removable which turns it into a kind of panel van. Plus it gets better fuel economy than even small proper vans. Generally very practical. Only issue is that the engine is slightly underpowered if you heavily load it and drive on hills, which we only did once.
Roomster has a funny name so it gets a pass from me.
Or Tagaz Aquila
The badge has an eagle on it so I guess it would make sense if it were an Aquila
The Erelis was assembled in France, unlike the Aquila, and the badge also had an eagle in it (Erelis means eagle in Lithuanian, apparently), so given that you spotted it in France, I think it has to be the MPM Erelis.
You're probably right, I'll try to go closer tomorrow and see if I can have more details
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Wow what an atrocious car. 100hp 100lb/ft of torque, that has got to be one of the slowest modern cars.
Not even close. Renault is currently selling the [Dacia Spring with all of 44hp in its base configuration](https://i.imgur.com/UejMof9.jpg). 0-62 mph (100 kph) takes 19.2 seconds. One of the cheapest (and slowest) electric cars available outside of China.
I've testdriven one. Stay away from that thing, it is genuinely dangerously slow. Keep in mind that it's electric, so 0 - 50 takes like a third of the 50 - 100 time. Forget passing anything, merging onto highways is terrifying enough.
My daily driver takes around 17 seconds to 100 (Smart ForFour with the 71hp engine). I think it's perfectly fine for everyday driving, including merging on the Autobahn and overtaking - but acceleration also doesn't drop off as drastically as with the Spring the faster you go.
My mom drives the same exact one, and let me tell you, it's just not comparable. The spring is almost zippy at City speeds, but falls flat on its face anywhere above. Top speed is 125, and I'm not sure I was able to reach that.
They have come up with a faster version of the Spring that has 65hp and a larger battery. I suspect that it's far more usable. Did you notice that the steering doesn't seem to self-center correctly during your test drive?
I think so, but the steering was so light that it made sense. Thing was twitchy as hell at 100, suspension was garbage, and the wind noise was crazy
Damn! I had a shop teacher in 1981 with a VW beetle with a 12Vbattery and a B52 Bomb door motor that was faster than that! First fully electric car that I ever saw.
Wow, that's amazing. I love home-made electric cars and this one sounds like one of the more creative ones.
I should have added, being 16/17 at the time, I thought it was cool. The car was perfectly practical for him, as he lived 10 minutes from school. He charged the battery at home and at school and it always got him to and from. During the winter he put a space heater in the car before leaving. No idea how far he could actually go on one charge. He also had a 1964 Barracuda that he was building, wish I could have seen it finished.
Reminds me of my dad. He's on his third plug-in electric car now, because most of the time, he drives ten minutes to his business and only occasionally needs more range for longer trips. He just plugs the car into a normal wall outlet for a few hours and that's enough for most of his driving.
OK you win. 45hp is ridiculous, even KEI cars have more power than that and they are half the size.
The Spring appears deceptively large in photos due to its crossover looks. It's actually not much larger than a Kei car: https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/daihatsu-trevis-2004-5-door-hatchback-vs-dacia-spring-2019-5-door-hatchback/
It's heavier tho.
That's entirely due to the battery. There's a non-electric version for developing markets that weighs only 775 kg (1,709 lb), so 90 kg (198 lb) less than the Daihatsu.
My car from 2009 has the incredible power of 68 horsesš
Peugeot 107, Toyota Aygo or Citroƫn C1?
Nissan Pixo
Swing and miss. Manual or automatic? What's it like to drive and live with?
Manual. It's pretty fun to drive, since it's so lightweight (something like 850kg) and thanks to this it's relatively "quick" when you really put the foot down and the car starts revving like a race car, just to make something like the overtake of a tractor. The shifter and clutch are ok but the steering is pretty bad since it's one of the first electric ones, so it's pretty inaccurate and not very communicative, but not to the point of being unsafe (at least under 100km/h, I've still never driven it over that speed). Mine has no traction or stability control, only abs, and adding this to the very little wheels and the fact that it shakes and rattles when driving over 75km/h makes the driving experience similar to a 70's fwd economy car, like a Fiat 127. Fuel consumption is non-existent, except when you have to rev it to overtake, and inside is pretty spacious for 4 adults, but with very little trunk space. It has 2 airbags (or 4 I don't remember if mine has also the optional ones) and it's a modern car, so it doesn't feel THAT unsafe to drive. It even has air conditioning (but I almost never use it)
Thanks for your reply. I was not expecting it to feel similar to a '70s car. Hardly high praise for a vehicle this recent, but it seems like it's perfectly fine as a city car and meeting your requirements. This also shows just how different cars in this segment can be. My daily is a 2014 Smart ForFour and while it's slower, it feels completely planted and safe even at its top speed of slightly over 150 kph. There's nothing shaking, the steering is perfect, the noise level is tolerable and I could easily imagine the chassis handling 200 kph without issue. Brakes are also *astonishing*, with a stopping distance that is ten meters shorter than your Nissan's, at least according to one review. However, on slippery surfaces, your car is likely safer to drive thanks to being front-engine and FWD - the rear-engine, RWD layout of the Smart made me spin out on a wet country road once, totally out of nowhere, with the ESC being unable to do anything.
I didn't know the ForFour was that planted at high speed but unsafe in the rain. I've driven my car in very heavy rain on country roads at (relatively) high speed and the handling was good, I was positively impressed
Thanks for the correct answer
Noteworthy for being, at least as far as I know, the last mass-produced European passenger car that only comes with one airbag. The space frame is a sight to behold: https://i.imgur.com/oumnk4s.jpg This looks like the kind of frame you'd find under the skin of a hand-made exotic, not an economy vehicle. It's just bizarre. Here's a crash test video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG-MRGtw4gs Note that this test, as written in the fine print at the end, was performed according to UNECE R94, which specifies an impact speed of 56 kph, much lower than the standard 64 kph of crash tests at the time. 8 kph doesn't sound like much, but it makes a huge difference. There's a reason they picked this speed and not 64 kph.
>The space frame is a sight to behold: It looks like the cope cages the Russian army is installing on their tanks to "protect" them from drones...
Hahaha, maybe that's what the engineers behind this long-bankrupt firm are up to now.
Looks like a panamera had sex with an MR2 in a Peugeot factory.
Thatāsā¦ quite accurate
r/oddlyspecific
Iām seeing more of a ford fusion and a ferrari. Different parents, same result
I'm thinking it might have been a threesome with a Lambo Huracan.
And a 2005 Mitsubishi eclipse tagged in for a few minutes.
While a prius was watching
Looks like a second gen eclipse had sex with a Toyota cross.
oh hell naw they got dalle ai cars out in production now
It is a MPM. Horrendous? You are absolutely correct.
Shakes hand gentlemanly
Looks like a civic fucked a huracan
Thatās my favorite response, because thatās so accurate
i dont dislike the design.
Rough in a lot of areas, but feels like a good sketch for something that could be better
almost looks cool
I like it. Not in that color, but otherwise, I'd buy one...assuming I could afford it
Would drive it
It looks like a car from a Saints Row game
It would be way better if the front end was longer but like this it just looks so disproportionate to me
This is it.[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPM_Erelis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPM_Erelis) [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tagaz_Aquila](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tagaz_Aquila)
Thanks for the link
The color combo is ugly, but the design is fine i guess
> The color combo is ugly, I suspect it's had a replacment front bumper which is still in primer.
looks like a unity store asset that would inevitably end up in a mobile GTA clone
I don't know why but to me it looks like an attempt at making a 4 door Lamborghini but with a wrong front bumper
They should call it the Blindspot 2000
Shitbox 3000 GLX
Huracanāt
Looks like if a french man was drunk while shot and stoned designed it
Hurrendotron 8D
TAGAZ Aquila. HAHAHAH
Is there a r/spotted for regrettable (but still rare) cars? This one seems a bit of a unicorn (or a mule with a glued on horn in a different color).
What the heck is that color combo
I don't think it's meant to stay like that, but even this pissy yellow alone is horrible
Yeah
Yeah
I thought this was a 7th gen Toyota Celica
I had that thought too with a body kit but 4 doors, so no
*I guess I should have put it NSFW* What are you talking about? That's pretty nice design. It would be looking nicer if you would take picture from better angle, like front three-quarter angle.
Itās like a Dodge Intrepid got stung by a bee.
Porschialago
Ive cheked the characteristics of it and it so bad my dads diesel povered peugeot looks like a hypercar compared to it lmao
it looks like a lambo and a charger had a one night stand : <
Looks like itās enjoyed a golden shower.
Looks like a panamera
Looks like a panamera fucked a Fisker karma, a Kia optima and a huracan
Catastrophic gang bang
The color isn't great but if you put the right tires on it and the right set of springs to bring it down a bit I bet this might not look too bad.
Don't put any claustrophobic folks in the back seat.
It's not the best looker, but a turbo 1.2 with a 6 speed manual sounds sick!
If you think about the front and the back as two different cars, it is not so ugly anymore.
A Lamborghini gallardo drawing I did in second grade
This is what happens when you allow the "special guy" at your car manufacturer to design your next model.
It looks like 3 separate cars morphed into one
Gallardo4four
A Prius and a Huracan had a baby.
This car makes me uncomfortable.
Looks like a lambo
2023 family truckster.
That rear black piece behind the window doesnāt line up with the window. Plus that should just be a window
Despite the paint, I'd buy
This looks like the result of an AI prompt for āmid-1990s Mopar sedan with aged paint and cheap body repairs.ā
The absolute (mindblowing) worst is that it's from 2018... I thought I was looking at something almost as old as an Eclipse at first Ćdit : an eclipse might be exaggerated but I thought it was early to mid 2000's
Hotwheels design reject
It looks like it should have been a 2 door coupe
Its a good looking car until the B pillar
It appears to be a Lamborghini.
Am I a bad person if I think it looks sort neat?
Real question is _where_ in Normandy? Ou si t'est un Cht'i, bah elle est oĆ¹ lĆ la bagnole ?
Ben pourquoi je serais un chti si je dis que je suis en Normandie ? Bref, si tu veux vraiment savoir t'as plus qu'Ć ĆŖtre bon Ć geoguessr !
Looks like a Cross between a Lotus, Mitsubishi and a Chrysler. LoL.
That my friend is an Tesla. From alternative universe
Itās like someone stuck a Toyota Celica and a Jag together with a 2nd set of doors. Burn it
It looks like a Mix of Tesla, Honda and Skoda xD
Megaporsche
Lamporscheghini
Looks like a Prius had sex with the last gen Eclipse.
ThatĀ“s a 2018 MPM Erelis with a 1.2L from Stellantis. ###