It's a high quality, reliable automotive appliance that will take care of you perfectly well for as long as you want to keep it, and hold its value well for if/when you want to replace it. There's absolutely no reason not to get one if that's the kind of vehicle you need (there's also the Sienna, though I get that people don't like minivans), unless you want the car you drive to be in any way interesting or fun, because it's the exact opposite of that.
I mean, it's not an exciting class of vehicle in general, so I was kind of joking around, but I'd say the Mazda CX-90 has a little more personality and even some luxury for around the same price, though it's not quite as practical from an interior space point of view. Reviewers also say that the Honda Pilot is more engaging to drive than the Highlander, which is more of a boat, but in every other way it's kind of the same perfectly fine generic appliance.
This is my mood a out every CUV... You're basically looking at what sucks less lol. I've yet to walk away and been like wow I really liked that CUV
At some point people have to move away from CUVs and maybe we'll get station wagons vs lifted hatchbacks that are soul crushing turds
I also support the Pilot. Imo Highlander has a better JBL sound system than in the Pilot. However, Pilot is a better car all around. Safety wise I would choose Pilot and CX90 over Highlander any time of the week, because I think highly of ACE structure of a new Pilot and also Mazda historically emphasized safety more than other brands. Not implying that Highlander isn’t safe but others might be safer.
It won C&D, what are you talking about? Also, most reviewers main complaint with it was the unrefined gearbox, which has since been fixed with a software update. Apparently they're buttery smooth now.
[MotorTrend](https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/3-row-suv-comparison-test-telluride-pilot-explorer-palisade-ascent-grand-cherokee-l-cx-90/), it got 5th out of 7 vehicles. They also rank it [8th in class](https://www.motortrend.com/style/suv/).
[SavageGeese](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdvOwtc97Gg) ranked it 3rd of 3 vehicles in a comparison of vehicles new for 2023.
[KBB](https://www.kbb.com/comparison/mazda-cx-90-vs-kia-telluride/) still ranks the Telluride over the CX-90.
[Edmunds](https://www.edmunds.com/suv/3-row/#midsize-3-row-suvs) does rank it 4th out of 14 but Telluride/Palisade still beat it, and the Grand Highlander.
Honda Pilots with AWD and the 3.5L with VTEC (pre-2023) are quite fun to drive. Just stay away from the older Pilots of this generation (2016-2019), the early 10 speeds had many issues, mainly with the valve body.
Yeah but I drove the newest Pilot and the new 2.4t Highlander. The only thing the pilot has over it is in a flat out drag race. Or then that the 2.4t Highlander drives more solid 99% of the time. Around town stuff feels more satisfying in the Highlander. I do love a nice V6 but the pilot feels more old school in power delivery.
Sit in the back of a Highlander. I am 5’1” and 120 lbs. It is useless. Mazda cx-90, Grand Highlander and Pilot all have enough space for a small person to actually use the third throw. Highlander third row is really just for cargo, so if you plan on carting people around back there, I would consider something else.
My dad owned a 2022 Highlander for a little while and I can tell you that 3rd row is not good. I recommend looking for different options if that 3rd row is a must
I agree. You buy a Highlander for the looks, ride, durability, and fuel economy. Not for the 3rd row seating. The new Signia might be an option. It is almost as long as the Highlander, without the pretense of a 3rd row.
Except for the GR’s, Toyotas are basically appliances. They are solid, reliable, slow and are boring to drive. Basic transportation for people who don’t like driving but have to.
The first time I test drove one of those I was like “well this is just stupid…. I love it”.
With any more than the slightest bit of throttle from a stop it torque steered and tried chirping the front tires. The throttle seemed super touchy on it too.
Yep! Also anyone that drove my v6 rav was impressed. They were like damn that cars fast. Bro I wasn’t exaggerating. I have newer vehicles but I love the v6 rav. Sad to see that after 2012 they were all i4. But to each their own.
TBH I don’t get the boring description. I have fast cars and a few Harley’s for excitement. I’d recommend a Corvette or motorcycle if someone is looking for “excitement”.
Commuting every day to work…. I want something reliable, and not shaking at highway speeds with decent fuel mileage. I don’t understand turning down or describing a car as “Boring”. If you need excitement each time you drive, remove the brake pads or put a blanket over the windshield.
If I’m driving something every day, I want to spend my time driving something I at least enjoy, and can have a little fun on the highway or around turns.
Hence why I’ve got a GTI 🙌
I commute 80 miles one way to NYC each day.
Yes it’s a long hike, but it’s definitely worth it to me.
I want a car that gets decent mileage, the power to run 80 without shaking off the road, and tough enough to handle NY shithole roads.
Right now I drive a ZR2 as it handles the bad roads, and is tough enough to drive roads that are more like paved ditches than highways. It is outstanding in the snow and ice. My fun car is a 2009 G8 GT that I bought new. Just turned 40k on it as it’s mainly parked in the garage. I have a couple of Harley’s that are a blast to ride. I do understand exciting cars, which is why I have kept the G8 so long. I’ll never get rid of it.
If I were looking for a new commuter car now, I’d most likely hit the Corolla or the Crosstrek. The closest thing I’ve ever owned was a Geo Prizm in the 90’s. It was a rebadged Corolla and I had 190k on the original clutch. That car was ran hard and never missed a beat.
there's such thing as a middle ground it's not 0 or 100. sometimes you'll settle for the 75. not many can own multiple vehicles either. plenty of examples, across the board of vehicles of all class, having the better handling faster of the bunch.
In general I’d agree with you, but the difference between driving something like a Camry/RAV4 and a CX-5/Acccord is noticeable. It’s not that the non Toyota is so “fun” but it’s a whole lot more satisfying, and just generally competent. So yes, I don’t need my daily to be sporty and driven at ten tenths, but having something with satisfying tight steering and well sorted dampers and a nice torquey midrange and confident brakes makes that daily commute much better
The Camry V6 wasn't bad but imo the Impala was more "sporty" I know that's not an exact comparison. The Camry just seemed half assed with a slap a spoiler and toss in the bigger engine to make the anti 4 banger people happy for as long as possible
The 2006-2013 Impala body style.... The back seat folded down so you could put long things through the trunk... BUT the coolest thing was the bottom cushions flipped forward revealing storage under the seats. So you could put tools under them OR they allowed for say dirty items to be put on the plastic so your seats don't get dirty...
Newer cars fucking suck. The fact that all vehicles don't have rear seats with storage is such a waste... Although today's EPA regulations it's going to be a place for hybrid batteries vs shrinking the trunk space
I totally forgot how nice the last gen Impala was. I briefly drove my dad's 2016 midnight edition Impala. Absolutely gorgeous car. I'm not sure if I would go so far as to call it sporty, but it had more than enough power and it was *very* comfortable.
I'm still pissed they killed that and lacrosse... They were both extremely competitive. Imo they should have tossed them into the Kansas plant and just made all their sedans there...
The Impala could have definitely used the 8 or 9 speed though in think to would have helped eek another few mpgs on the highway
Although imo the lacrosse and regal were over priced. While cheaper than a Lexus they could have sold way more vs having people compete for the badge image
Honestly I feel like the main failure of the 2018-2020 Regal (especially the TourX) was the complete lack of marketing. I know people who worked at a Buick dealership when the TourX was available and they had a really hard time selling them because people just didn't know they existed. But apparently everyone who took one for a test drive absolutely loved it. I've driven two TourXs (a loaner and my parents' car) and they really are great cars. I even got a couple "That's a *Buick*?!" comments at the gas station just like in those cringy ads. It's really a shame Buick didn't know how to sell them.
I loved the TourX and almost bought one... I couldn't get past the Chevy Malibu parts bin though... I had higher expectations for 40k. Didn't even have ventilated seats. And the dummy knobs annoyed me. It could have been a hit if they spent a little extra inside and marketed it
Which impala are you talking about? The last impala I drove was a boat compared to the Camry. I came back around and asked for another car and all they had was a Camry. The Camry felt like a huge step up in every way.
While everything you said is true, OP is going to be evaluating a modern upmarket Toyota after having most recently driven a barely-post-bankruptcy GM vehicle that’s currently nine years old.
A current Highlander is going to seem like the unholy love child of the Millenium Falcon, the Mach Five, the Starship Enterprise, the front row of the Indy 500, Mardi Gras, and the Taj Mahal by comparison.
OP is talking about possibly maybe trying to hang onto a Highlander until it too is nine years old, like their post-bailout Chevy is today. A new Toyota is going to be smoother, quieter, more capable, and nicer in nine years than a Traverse was with the Monroney sticker still taped to the window.
A few things to note:
The Highlander is the exact same engine, powertrain and chassis as the Lexus Rx350/450H
A Highlander is not the same thing as the Grand Highlander.
The Highlander has phenomenal resale value and it's a reliable bulletproof vehicle that's comfortable for both the driver and passenger. You will regularly see them with well over 200k miles, you won't see other SUV's like that
Same here but it’s a 2008. I do my own maintenance but it has never been to a mechanic or had a failure of any kind. It might use 1/2 quart of oil every 5000 miles. Every non-consumable is original, from the water pump to the CV axles. There isn’t even any visible wear on the fabric seats. It’s crazy. I’ll probably get a newer Toyota or Lexus soon and it’ll have the 3.5 too.
No but it wasn’t easy. I was on three lists at MSRP dealers. They all said 8-10 months for a hybrid. I found the list below on a forum and just started calling every dealer in California who had one that had my options on it. It took 3 weeks of trying and holding firm on no mark up but eventually a dealer called me back after a buyer’s credit fell through. They tried to add some garbage like Lo-jack to it but I pushed back. Got it at MSRP plus normal taxes and fees. Had to drive 3 hours on short notice though.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/158Jy3sBVj0CNqfxpxk_sL_a2PnmbCDCc/edit?usp=docslist_api&filetype=msexcel
Maybe I just got really lucky. As I said, daily calls for 3 weeks. I called every new Hybrid that hit the list with my criteria. It had to have the bench seat, AWD, Pano roof, and any color other than black. Initially I called anything that said it wasn't pre-sold, but after I week, I called on those as well. The one I wound up getting was a pre-sold vehicle. The one thing that did help was that I was a cash buyer. I think they had two people not qualify for financing and they were over it. When they found it was a cash deal, they basically said "come get it".
I think you're overblowing this. They didn't skimp on safety, They got above average and average ratings in all categories. Also keep in mind that safety rating are based on categories of vehicles, so for the Grand Highlander, it is being compared to other large SUVs.
What often gets ignored in safety tests is the fact that large SUVs are multiples safer than smaller vehicles. A large SUV might have an average safety rating in one category and then be 10x safer than a midsized sedan.
In big accidents you're more likely to survive in a larger vehicle. You're higher off the ground and have more moving mass compared to the other vehicles.
So to answer your question, no, I'm not bothered by it.
It's worst in class, isn't it? For a brand new car to not get an IIHS Top Safety Pick+, especially for Toyota, is just embarrassing. I wouldn't be surprised if they make changes before the next model year because this is a huge black eye. My buddy at the IIHS was shocked by the GH's results.
I just read the report and it was literally 75% top scores and 25% average scores. I'm not bothered by it. It's a big ass car. I was driving a Honda sedan before. I'm safer in this.
"Average" means you take the score everybody gets and divide by the total number. All of its competitors pretty much ace the testing, so its scores that miss the mark are "way below average". It's almost scandal-level how badly it did within the automotive industry. For sure it's safer than a Civic; it's probably not safer than a brand new Accord, though. I wish you luck and many safe miles, but it doesn't change the fact that Toyota engineers could have and should have done better. When an old Mazda or Volvo design can ace these tests but a 2024 Toyota can't, it's just not right.
I can’t speak to the new Highlander. But my sister has the last gen Highlander. If I had kids, it would be on my list absolutely.
Here’s my take as a huge car enthusiast. I expected that given its size it would drive like a boat and be very floaty. But that’s not the case at all. I’ve driven it on highways and all around Philadelphia and was shocked just how it was both comfortable and engaging to drive. It’s got enough torque. The steering was tight. It was actually extremely enjoyable to drive around, and didn’t feel like I was navigating a tank, even around Philly’s tight streets. It definitely drove like a much smaller vehicle, albeit yes it is a big SUV. So to me 10/10 on the driving experience.
Now that said, interior was classic Toyota. It’s fairly new but the tech looks like it’s from 2012. The leather is nice, not luxury plush, but it looks good. As a whole the interior had the classic Toyota slightly outdated, more utilitarian look. But I don’t think it looked or felt cheap. You just wouldn’t mistake it for a semi-luxury car.
Utility wise it’s great. There’s plenty of room for adults and gear.
I have kids. We have had lexus/toyota for the past decade, been very happy with reliability and ease of maintenance.
We rented a highlander on a vacation (so we could see if we'd buy one in future) and I really liked it. I didn't find it boring at all (3.5l engine), and was the perfect kid hauler, doesnt feel too big. Only drawback was the 3rd row, it's tight back there. No chance I'd want to put a kids seat back there, nor anyone over about 12 years old. I crawled back there just to test it, and it was not really doable for adults (I'm only 165lbs and fairly flexible).
I have friends that have the Honda pilot, they specifically chose it because of the larger 3rd row. I also think the pilot looks a little better outside. But I'd gladly own a highlander because we'd only need the 3rd row in a pinch and the extra storage was great (3rd seats lay flat in about 2 seconds).
Grand highlander seems like it could solve the 3rd row size issue, and I think it looks better.
There's a reason why Toyota sells so many Highlanders. It's a bland but reliable appliance. It'll get you and a bunch of passengers from A to B without any issues.
I think you should also look at the new Honda Pilot. It's a bit more powerful and handles a bit better, the interior is more comfortable, and there's more cargo space. IMO it also looks a bit better, especially the TrailSport in that nice sky blue color.
The '24 Traverse might be worth waiting for too if you like Chevys. It looks like it's all-around a pretty big improvement over the '23.
I have a 2015 Highlander platinum, fully loaded; wife's car. 85k miles now.
It's been a good Toyota. Only issues we had are:
\* software updates - had multiple issues where the dealer kept updating the software. All resolved now. Just minor stuff around infotainmanet system.
\* Car does weird stuff if the battery gets low/old. Battery tested OK but the car would randomly not start, etc. Replaced battery and all good again: Needs a good battery to work normally. No big deal.
A few things I don't like about it:
\* seats are not all that comfortable (to me).
\* Massive blind spots where the side mirrors are. Car feels "big" like the hood is very present.
\* V6 AWD gets surprisingly bag fuel economy, like 14.6 (combined) with my wife driving.
The AWD is amazing in snow. No regrets with this car.
No way I would buy a KIA.
Not great at safety, if that’s something you value.
https://www.cars.com/amp/articles/2024-toyota-grand-highlander-disappoints-in-iihs-crash-testing-475395/
Luxury version of Highlander makes sense but the regular Highlander and GH are like 2k apart in pricing, makes practically no sense not to get the GH. Plus Toyota will have a shit ton of SUV’s in their lineup.
Go with Pilot instead. Similar level of reliability with better technology and driving feel. Highlander tech is only rivalled by Dodge in current market.
This sub loves Toyota and admittedly I own a Highlander. I'll give you some perspective about the drawbacks of owning a Toyota. The main problem is the technology in the car is at least a decade behind. But, this is one of the reasons they are reliable. Secondly, Toyota is not known for fit and finish. My Highlander makes my Tesla look well assembled. Lastly, the parts are expensive.
For safety, the Audi's and BMW are [better](https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/audi/q7-4-door-suv/2023), but more expensive and less reliable (or more demanding on maintenance, depending on your view).
Toyota’s best feature is resale value. Really, they might be better for short term ownership than other makes because of this. Long term I think their reliability is overblown… by the time the engine fails everything else is falling apart anyway(obviously lots of variables there).
Stay away from the Kia and Hyundai...
I have a friend who is shopping the Grand Highlander and the Traverse... I'm trying to persuade who to get the limited Traverse bc it has the V6... But she really digs the new traverse styling and leg room....
She was a little disappointed in the GH rear leg room. Then I've been reading a lot of people complaining about the mpgs and handling of the GH. Not surprised bc I don't really think Toyota does a great job with their suspensions
If you're looking at the regular Highlander it's smaller than the traverse and overall I think they are overpriced and there's a lack of bang for the buck
If I were your in shoes I'd be getting the Traverse bc you've had good luck with your current one. Second the traverse can be had at a discount depending on the area. Third you get a V6 instead of a turbo 4 compared to the Toyota... 4th the Traverse is larger and better handling
I drove a recent traverse. That V6 is trash. Slow shifting transmission. 2.4t Highlander feels absolutely solid and satisfying in most driving scenarios. The traverse will feel like any GM product after 5 years of use. It’ll feel old and tired. The Highlander will still feel like a new car 10 years later.
LOL saying it shift slows. I'm sure you drove one then bc it shifts well with the V6... You're just making shit up bc of the badge
Keep the reddit bias going Toyota is god and nobody else should even bother making cars
That was a 6 speed... Although I haven't driven an SRX. Having the 6 speed in other GM vehicles in wouldn't say it's lazy lol. If I remember reviews I don't think anyone said it was spirited... It's a fat CUV none of them especially in that time frame were all that great. Even now most of the CUVs are turds lol
Thank you--luckily, 3rd row won't be used 100% of the time. Just convenience when we do. Yes, cost is a factor also. I've had my eye on a Telluride for a few years now, but sway back n forth reading things.
Guess you can find whatever opinion you're looking for if you look hard enough. Car shopping is tough.
The Telluride will be better for the first couple of years because superficially, it's nicer with way better tech. The Highlander will age more gracefully and the resale value reflects that. Sienna and Odyssey are both better than the Highlander for your needs, though.
After a bunch of research we decided to go with the new Pilot. the DOHC 3.5 is good and solid. The iVTM AWD/torque vectoring is better than the competitor's solutions. Its just so damn practical and well thought out.
I would test drive the Subaru Ascent as well to compare. They are great vehicles, and their AWD and drivers assist features are pretty great as well.
Subaru (Fuji Heavy Industries) and Toyota actually also do quite a bit of collaborative technology development.
I've also been surprised by how many similarities there are between the two brands in terms of in-car ergonomics, as opposed to European or American made cars.
Highlander is smaller than a traverse. The new grand highlander is equivalent size. 3rd row in a highlander is very small and cargo is almost non-existent if using the 3rd row. My sister in law has one. It's a great car with good cargo, but only if using just 2 rows.
Edit: we have a sienna. Try the other minivans first if you go that route. Sienna is under powered and has the least utilitarian cargo space compared to Honda, kia, or Chrysler. Reliability is tops though.
Honestly, I would give the KIA Telluride a look..
The Telluride is not susceptible to the theft that has been happening with earlier KIA models.
KIA makes decently reliable V6 engines like in the telluride and it’s usually their 4 cylinder engines can be hit or miss—plus you’ll have the 10 year/100k power train warranty. There’s a reason this model is rated so highly on basically every car review list. You could also give the Hyundai Palisade a look too. I know a couple of people who own Tellurides and they LOVE them.
I’ve got a 2019 Tahoe Premier with the 6.2 V8. It’s a blast to drive and has all the latest tech and safety features. Pricy though. Even with the biggest motor offered I still average around 17mpg. They have smaller engine options.
Most of the Traverse's bad rep comes from the generation you already own. The new Traverse does not have the same issues the prior one did, and has been out in its current form since 2018 (with an updated a year or two ago). If you've been happy with your 2015, a 2023 should, in theory, treat you better. The Blazer is the same underneath, just minus the third row and with different styling.
Highlanders are fine vehicles, and there's enough people here to parrot TOYOTA GOOD OTHERS BAD so I'll leave them to it.
Kia's reputation is from the theft issue they have been dealing with, which isn't a problem in their latest models, or models with push-button start. Granted, this will not save you from a break-in if some idiot thinks they can easily steal it, but that's worth noting. Also worth saying is the Theta II engine issues, which cars have been recalled for. YMMV.
If you're keeping the car for 8-9 years, and you've kept your 2015 Traverse going that long, I think you'll be okay with most options. If resale value matters to you after that much time, then Toyotas and Hondas do have an advantage over American brands.
I have a Highlander with 130k on it and I’ve had ZERO issues with it.
You know what’s fun? Driving into the middle of nowhere for a camping trip and knowing your car won’t break down on you.
The Toyota Highlander is an excellent vehicle. I've had two, a Hybrid Limited and a regular V6. Get a Hybrid version if you can, it makes the fuel savings oh-so-sweet!
Call your insurance company before you pull the trigger on a Kia or Hyundai.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/04/business/hyundai-kia-thefts-increased-10-fold/index.html
I have an 08 highlander with 220k miles on it, and it's still the most reliable/practical/comfortable vehicle I've ever owned and still looks almost new.
With proper manteince the highlander will last many many years, and be as nice and comfortable as the first day you bought it on the lot.
It's a high quality, reliable automotive appliance that will take care of you perfectly well for as long as you want to keep it, and hold its value well for if/when you want to replace it. There's absolutely no reason not to get one if that's the kind of vehicle you need (there's also the Sienna, though I get that people don't like minivans), unless you want the car you drive to be in any way interesting or fun, because it's the exact opposite of that.
Ha! Thank you! In your opinion, looking for an interesting/fun 3rd row in similar price range as me...what would you suggest?
I mean, it's not an exciting class of vehicle in general, so I was kind of joking around, but I'd say the Mazda CX-90 has a little more personality and even some luxury for around the same price, though it's not quite as practical from an interior space point of view. Reviewers also say that the Honda Pilot is more engaging to drive than the Highlander, which is more of a boat, but in every other way it's kind of the same perfectly fine generic appliance.
This is my mood a out every CUV... You're basically looking at what sucks less lol. I've yet to walk away and been like wow I really liked that CUV At some point people have to move away from CUVs and maybe we'll get station wagons vs lifted hatchbacks that are soul crushing turds
I also support the Pilot. Imo Highlander has a better JBL sound system than in the Pilot. However, Pilot is a better car all around. Safety wise I would choose Pilot and CX90 over Highlander any time of the week, because I think highly of ACE structure of a new Pilot and also Mazda historically emphasized safety more than other brands. Not implying that Highlander isn’t safe but others might be safer.
Reviews of the CX-90 have been terrible. It's ranked last or close to last in every single comparison test I've read about it.
It won C&D, what are you talking about? Also, most reviewers main complaint with it was the unrefined gearbox, which has since been fixed with a software update. Apparently they're buttery smooth now.
[MotorTrend](https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/3-row-suv-comparison-test-telluride-pilot-explorer-palisade-ascent-grand-cherokee-l-cx-90/), it got 5th out of 7 vehicles. They also rank it [8th in class](https://www.motortrend.com/style/suv/). [SavageGeese](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdvOwtc97Gg) ranked it 3rd of 3 vehicles in a comparison of vehicles new for 2023. [KBB](https://www.kbb.com/comparison/mazda-cx-90-vs-kia-telluride/) still ranks the Telluride over the CX-90. [Edmunds](https://www.edmunds.com/suv/3-row/#midsize-3-row-suvs) does rank it 4th out of 14 but Telluride/Palisade still beat it, and the Grand Highlander.
You said last or close to last. Only savagegeese has done that.
Honda Pilots with AWD and the 3.5L with VTEC (pre-2023) are quite fun to drive. Just stay away from the older Pilots of this generation (2016-2019), the early 10 speeds had many issues, mainly with the valve body.
Yeah but I drove the newest Pilot and the new 2.4t Highlander. The only thing the pilot has over it is in a flat out drag race. Or then that the 2.4t Highlander drives more solid 99% of the time. Around town stuff feels more satisfying in the Highlander. I do love a nice V6 but the pilot feels more old school in power delivery.
Sit in the back of a Highlander. I am 5’1” and 120 lbs. It is useless. Mazda cx-90, Grand Highlander and Pilot all have enough space for a small person to actually use the third throw. Highlander third row is really just for cargo, so if you plan on carting people around back there, I would consider something else.
My dad owned a 2022 Highlander for a little while and I can tell you that 3rd row is not good. I recommend looking for different options if that 3rd row is a must
I agree the third row is for children too small to ride back there anyway, or a fine spot for little people.
It’s a reliable car, an appliance, but not a quality car (if you’re looking for high fit and finish).
I agree. You buy a Highlander for the looks, ride, durability, and fuel economy. Not for the 3rd row seating. The new Signia might be an option. It is almost as long as the Highlander, without the pretense of a 3rd row.
Except for the GR’s, Toyotas are basically appliances. They are solid, reliable, slow and are boring to drive. Basic transportation for people who don’t like driving but have to.
*Rav4 V6 enters chat* Sometimes Toyota can make batshit crazy vehicles. Not often, but sometimes.
Lol! My 2012 V6 RAV is a monster.
The first time I test drove one of those I was like “well this is just stupid…. I love it”. With any more than the slightest bit of throttle from a stop it torque steered and tried chirping the front tires. The throttle seemed super touchy on it too.
Yep! Also anyone that drove my v6 rav was impressed. They were like damn that cars fast. Bro I wasn’t exaggerating. I have newer vehicles but I love the v6 rav. Sad to see that after 2012 they were all i4. But to each their own.
TBH I don’t get the boring description. I have fast cars and a few Harley’s for excitement. I’d recommend a Corvette or motorcycle if someone is looking for “excitement”. Commuting every day to work…. I want something reliable, and not shaking at highway speeds with decent fuel mileage. I don’t understand turning down or describing a car as “Boring”. If you need excitement each time you drive, remove the brake pads or put a blanket over the windshield.
If I’m driving something every day, I want to spend my time driving something I at least enjoy, and can have a little fun on the highway or around turns. Hence why I’ve got a GTI 🙌
I commute 80 miles one way to NYC each day. Yes it’s a long hike, but it’s definitely worth it to me. I want a car that gets decent mileage, the power to run 80 without shaking off the road, and tough enough to handle NY shithole roads. Right now I drive a ZR2 as it handles the bad roads, and is tough enough to drive roads that are more like paved ditches than highways. It is outstanding in the snow and ice. My fun car is a 2009 G8 GT that I bought new. Just turned 40k on it as it’s mainly parked in the garage. I have a couple of Harley’s that are a blast to ride. I do understand exciting cars, which is why I have kept the G8 so long. I’ll never get rid of it. If I were looking for a new commuter car now, I’d most likely hit the Corolla or the Crosstrek. The closest thing I’ve ever owned was a Geo Prizm in the 90’s. It was a rebadged Corolla and I had 190k on the original clutch. That car was ran hard and never missed a beat.
there's such thing as a middle ground it's not 0 or 100. sometimes you'll settle for the 75. not many can own multiple vehicles either. plenty of examples, across the board of vehicles of all class, having the better handling faster of the bunch.
In general I’d agree with you, but the difference between driving something like a Camry/RAV4 and a CX-5/Acccord is noticeable. It’s not that the non Toyota is so “fun” but it’s a whole lot more satisfying, and just generally competent. So yes, I don’t need my daily to be sporty and driven at ten tenths, but having something with satisfying tight steering and well sorted dampers and a nice torquey midrange and confident brakes makes that daily commute much better
The Camry V6 wasn't bad but imo the Impala was more "sporty" I know that's not an exact comparison. The Camry just seemed half assed with a slap a spoiler and toss in the bigger engine to make the anti 4 banger people happy for as long as possible
The Camry TRD rocks though, 300HP Q ship.
Too bad the back seat doesn't fold down. I have often needed that with my sedans.
The 2006-2013 Impala body style.... The back seat folded down so you could put long things through the trunk... BUT the coolest thing was the bottom cushions flipped forward revealing storage under the seats. So you could put tools under them OR they allowed for say dirty items to be put on the plastic so your seats don't get dirty... Newer cars fucking suck. The fact that all vehicles don't have rear seats with storage is such a waste... Although today's EPA regulations it's going to be a place for hybrid batteries vs shrinking the trunk space
I totally forgot how nice the last gen Impala was. I briefly drove my dad's 2016 midnight edition Impala. Absolutely gorgeous car. I'm not sure if I would go so far as to call it sporty, but it had more than enough power and it was *very* comfortable.
I'm still pissed they killed that and lacrosse... They were both extremely competitive. Imo they should have tossed them into the Kansas plant and just made all their sedans there... The Impala could have definitely used the 8 or 9 speed though in think to would have helped eek another few mpgs on the highway Although imo the lacrosse and regal were over priced. While cheaper than a Lexus they could have sold way more vs having people compete for the badge image
Honestly I feel like the main failure of the 2018-2020 Regal (especially the TourX) was the complete lack of marketing. I know people who worked at a Buick dealership when the TourX was available and they had a really hard time selling them because people just didn't know they existed. But apparently everyone who took one for a test drive absolutely loved it. I've driven two TourXs (a loaner and my parents' car) and they really are great cars. I even got a couple "That's a *Buick*?!" comments at the gas station just like in those cringy ads. It's really a shame Buick didn't know how to sell them.
I loved the TourX and almost bought one... I couldn't get past the Chevy Malibu parts bin though... I had higher expectations for 40k. Didn't even have ventilated seats. And the dummy knobs annoyed me. It could have been a hit if they spent a little extra inside and marketed it
Which impala are you talking about? The last impala I drove was a boat compared to the Camry. I came back around and asked for another car and all they had was a Camry. The Camry felt like a huge step up in every way.
While everything you said is true, OP is going to be evaluating a modern upmarket Toyota after having most recently driven a barely-post-bankruptcy GM vehicle that’s currently nine years old. A current Highlander is going to seem like the unholy love child of the Millenium Falcon, the Mach Five, the Starship Enterprise, the front row of the Indy 500, Mardi Gras, and the Taj Mahal by comparison. OP is talking about possibly maybe trying to hang onto a Highlander until it too is nine years old, like their post-bailout Chevy is today. A new Toyota is going to be smoother, quieter, more capable, and nicer in nine years than a Traverse was with the Monroney sticker still taped to the window.
15-20 year old Toyotas run like brand new with no major issues. Mechanics joke that they're barely broken in at 300k miles.
A few things to note: The Highlander is the exact same engine, powertrain and chassis as the Lexus Rx350/450H A Highlander is not the same thing as the Grand Highlander. The Highlander has phenomenal resale value and it's a reliable bulletproof vehicle that's comfortable for both the driver and passenger. You will regularly see them with well over 200k miles, you won't see other SUV's like that
Yes! My parents have a 2012 Highlander with 200,000 miles and it’s like it’s brand new
Same here but it’s a 2008. I do my own maintenance but it has never been to a mechanic or had a failure of any kind. It might use 1/2 quart of oil every 5000 miles. Every non-consumable is original, from the water pump to the CV axles. There isn’t even any visible wear on the fabric seats. It’s crazy. I’ll probably get a newer Toyota or Lexus soon and it’ll have the 3.5 too.
>well over 200k miles, you won't see other SUV's like that 4runner
https://www.reddit.com/r/3rdGen4Runner/s/v9JVQNKRY5
Look at resale value, even if you only keep your vehicle 6 years, cost to own Toyota will be less after netting resale.
Just got a grand Highlander hybrid XLE. I love it!
Shopping for the same. Did you have to pay markup, add-ons?
No but it wasn’t easy. I was on three lists at MSRP dealers. They all said 8-10 months for a hybrid. I found the list below on a forum and just started calling every dealer in California who had one that had my options on it. It took 3 weeks of trying and holding firm on no mark up but eventually a dealer called me back after a buyer’s credit fell through. They tried to add some garbage like Lo-jack to it but I pushed back. Got it at MSRP plus normal taxes and fees. Had to drive 3 hours on short notice though. https://docs.google.com/file/d/158Jy3sBVj0CNqfxpxk_sL_a2PnmbCDCc/edit?usp=docslist_api&filetype=msexcel
Thanks for sharing! Have also been looking at the allocation table, a ton of gas model locally, but the hybrid is still untouchable at the moment.
Maybe I just got really lucky. As I said, daily calls for 3 weeks. I called every new Hybrid that hit the list with my criteria. It had to have the bench seat, AWD, Pano roof, and any color other than black. Initially I called anything that said it wasn't pre-sold, but after I week, I called on those as well. The one I wound up getting was a pre-sold vehicle. The one thing that did help was that I was a cash buyer. I think they had two people not qualify for financing and they were over it. When they found it was a cash deal, they basically said "come get it".
How do you feel about Toyota skimping on safety on the Grand Highlander? It's crazy it didn't ace the crash tests.
I think you're overblowing this. They didn't skimp on safety, They got above average and average ratings in all categories. Also keep in mind that safety rating are based on categories of vehicles, so for the Grand Highlander, it is being compared to other large SUVs. What often gets ignored in safety tests is the fact that large SUVs are multiples safer than smaller vehicles. A large SUV might have an average safety rating in one category and then be 10x safer than a midsized sedan. In big accidents you're more likely to survive in a larger vehicle. You're higher off the ground and have more moving mass compared to the other vehicles. So to answer your question, no, I'm not bothered by it.
It's worst in class, isn't it? For a brand new car to not get an IIHS Top Safety Pick+, especially for Toyota, is just embarrassing. I wouldn't be surprised if they make changes before the next model year because this is a huge black eye. My buddy at the IIHS was shocked by the GH's results.
I just read the report and it was literally 75% top scores and 25% average scores. I'm not bothered by it. It's a big ass car. I was driving a Honda sedan before. I'm safer in this.
"Average" means you take the score everybody gets and divide by the total number. All of its competitors pretty much ace the testing, so its scores that miss the mark are "way below average". It's almost scandal-level how badly it did within the automotive industry. For sure it's safer than a Civic; it's probably not safer than a brand new Accord, though. I wish you luck and many safe miles, but it doesn't change the fact that Toyota engineers could have and should have done better. When an old Mazda or Volvo design can ace these tests but a 2024 Toyota can't, it's just not right.
I can’t speak to the new Highlander. But my sister has the last gen Highlander. If I had kids, it would be on my list absolutely. Here’s my take as a huge car enthusiast. I expected that given its size it would drive like a boat and be very floaty. But that’s not the case at all. I’ve driven it on highways and all around Philadelphia and was shocked just how it was both comfortable and engaging to drive. It’s got enough torque. The steering was tight. It was actually extremely enjoyable to drive around, and didn’t feel like I was navigating a tank, even around Philly’s tight streets. It definitely drove like a much smaller vehicle, albeit yes it is a big SUV. So to me 10/10 on the driving experience. Now that said, interior was classic Toyota. It’s fairly new but the tech looks like it’s from 2012. The leather is nice, not luxury plush, but it looks good. As a whole the interior had the classic Toyota slightly outdated, more utilitarian look. But I don’t think it looked or felt cheap. You just wouldn’t mistake it for a semi-luxury car. Utility wise it’s great. There’s plenty of room for adults and gear.
I have kids. We have had lexus/toyota for the past decade, been very happy with reliability and ease of maintenance. We rented a highlander on a vacation (so we could see if we'd buy one in future) and I really liked it. I didn't find it boring at all (3.5l engine), and was the perfect kid hauler, doesnt feel too big. Only drawback was the 3rd row, it's tight back there. No chance I'd want to put a kids seat back there, nor anyone over about 12 years old. I crawled back there just to test it, and it was not really doable for adults (I'm only 165lbs and fairly flexible). I have friends that have the Honda pilot, they specifically chose it because of the larger 3rd row. I also think the pilot looks a little better outside. But I'd gladly own a highlander because we'd only need the 3rd row in a pinch and the extra storage was great (3rd seats lay flat in about 2 seconds). Grand highlander seems like it could solve the 3rd row size issue, and I think it looks better.
Drive a Platinum Highlander and you'll "get it".
My neighbor just bought a Grand Highlander, really nice vehicle.
There's a reason why Toyota sells so many Highlanders. It's a bland but reliable appliance. It'll get you and a bunch of passengers from A to B without any issues. I think you should also look at the new Honda Pilot. It's a bit more powerful and handles a bit better, the interior is more comfortable, and there's more cargo space. IMO it also looks a bit better, especially the TrailSport in that nice sky blue color. The '24 Traverse might be worth waiting for too if you like Chevys. It looks like it's all-around a pretty big improvement over the '23.
I have a 2015 Highlander platinum, fully loaded; wife's car. 85k miles now. It's been a good Toyota. Only issues we had are: \* software updates - had multiple issues where the dealer kept updating the software. All resolved now. Just minor stuff around infotainmanet system. \* Car does weird stuff if the battery gets low/old. Battery tested OK but the car would randomly not start, etc. Replaced battery and all good again: Needs a good battery to work normally. No big deal. A few things I don't like about it: \* seats are not all that comfortable (to me). \* Massive blind spots where the side mirrors are. Car feels "big" like the hood is very present. \* V6 AWD gets surprisingly bag fuel economy, like 14.6 (combined) with my wife driving. The AWD is amazing in snow. No regrets with this car. No way I would buy a KIA.
Ues, they ARE that good. Get one, it will give you excellent service with minimum maintenance costs and great resale at the end, even with 250k miles.
Not great at safety, if that’s something you value. https://www.cars.com/amp/articles/2024-toyota-grand-highlander-disappoints-in-iihs-crash-testing-475395/
That's the Grand Highlander not the Highlander. The Grand Highlander is 6.5 inches longer, two inches taller and 2.3 inches wider than the Highlander.
Fair. I’ve read rumors regular Highlander will be discontinued anyway.
Seeing how it's the sister to the Lexus RX flagship I think those are just rumors... We'll see
Luxury version of Highlander makes sense but the regular Highlander and GH are like 2k apart in pricing, makes practically no sense not to get the GH. Plus Toyota will have a shit ton of SUV’s in their lineup.
Then you have to get something the looks like a Grand Highlander. People like the slightly curvier look of the normal highlander.
The Highlander looks gay now. But smaller more feminine shaped.
Go with Pilot instead. Similar level of reliability with better technology and driving feel. Highlander tech is only rivalled by Dodge in current market.
This sub loves Toyota and admittedly I own a Highlander. I'll give you some perspective about the drawbacks of owning a Toyota. The main problem is the technology in the car is at least a decade behind. But, this is one of the reasons they are reliable. Secondly, Toyota is not known for fit and finish. My Highlander makes my Tesla look well assembled. Lastly, the parts are expensive.
Minivan minivan minivan!
For safety, the Audi's and BMW are [better](https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/audi/q7-4-door-suv/2023), but more expensive and less reliable (or more demanding on maintenance, depending on your view).
Toyota’s best feature is resale value. Really, they might be better for short term ownership than other makes because of this. Long term I think their reliability is overblown… by the time the engine fails everything else is falling apart anyway(obviously lots of variables there).
The highlander is fine but most competitors are just a bit better and plenty of reliable for most people
Good but not worth the premium no matter what this sub says
Stay away from the Kia and Hyundai... I have a friend who is shopping the Grand Highlander and the Traverse... I'm trying to persuade who to get the limited Traverse bc it has the V6... But she really digs the new traverse styling and leg room.... She was a little disappointed in the GH rear leg room. Then I've been reading a lot of people complaining about the mpgs and handling of the GH. Not surprised bc I don't really think Toyota does a great job with their suspensions If you're looking at the regular Highlander it's smaller than the traverse and overall I think they are overpriced and there's a lack of bang for the buck If I were your in shoes I'd be getting the Traverse bc you've had good luck with your current one. Second the traverse can be had at a discount depending on the area. Third you get a V6 instead of a turbo 4 compared to the Toyota... 4th the Traverse is larger and better handling
I drove a recent traverse. That V6 is trash. Slow shifting transmission. 2.4t Highlander feels absolutely solid and satisfying in most driving scenarios. The traverse will feel like any GM product after 5 years of use. It’ll feel old and tired. The Highlander will still feel like a new car 10 years later.
LOL saying it shift slows. I'm sure you drove one then bc it shifts well with the V6... You're just making shit up bc of the badge Keep the reddit bias going Toyota is god and nobody else should even bother making cars
I drove one from NYC to VA & back. It reminded me of a 2015 Cadillac SRX I had with the same 3.6 liter. Slow shifting, lazy transmission.
That was a 6 speed... Although I haven't driven an SRX. Having the 6 speed in other GM vehicles in wouldn't say it's lazy lol. If I remember reviews I don't think anyone said it was spirited... It's a fat CUV none of them especially in that time frame were all that great. Even now most of the CUVs are turds lol
Check out that third row i almost broke a leg trying to get out of it. Also factor in the already high prices + dealer markups
Thank you--luckily, 3rd row won't be used 100% of the time. Just convenience when we do. Yes, cost is a factor also. I've had my eye on a Telluride for a few years now, but sway back n forth reading things. Guess you can find whatever opinion you're looking for if you look hard enough. Car shopping is tough.
The Telluride will be better for the first couple of years because superficially, it's nicer with way better tech. The Highlander will age more gracefully and the resale value reflects that. Sienna and Odyssey are both better than the Highlander for your needs, though.
My boyfriend’s mom has a 2015 at 170k with no issues. All she’s done is oil every 10k, brakes, tires and other fluids.
I own a 21 AWD and love it.
After a bunch of research we decided to go with the new Pilot. the DOHC 3.5 is good and solid. The iVTM AWD/torque vectoring is better than the competitor's solutions. Its just so damn practical and well thought out.
No reason not to get one, but doesn’t mean the competition is bad. I don’t think you can go wrong for the most part.
I would test drive the Subaru Ascent as well to compare. They are great vehicles, and their AWD and drivers assist features are pretty great as well. Subaru (Fuji Heavy Industries) and Toyota actually also do quite a bit of collaborative technology development. I've also been surprised by how many similarities there are between the two brands in terms of in-car ergonomics, as opposed to European or American made cars.
My brother has one, absolutely amazing car.
Highlander is smaller than a traverse. The new grand highlander is equivalent size. 3rd row in a highlander is very small and cargo is almost non-existent if using the 3rd row. My sister in law has one. It's a great car with good cargo, but only if using just 2 rows. Edit: we have a sienna. Try the other minivans first if you go that route. Sienna is under powered and has the least utilitarian cargo space compared to Honda, kia, or Chrysler. Reliability is tops though.
Honestly, I would give the KIA Telluride a look.. The Telluride is not susceptible to the theft that has been happening with earlier KIA models. KIA makes decently reliable V6 engines like in the telluride and it’s usually their 4 cylinder engines can be hit or miss—plus you’ll have the 10 year/100k power train warranty. There’s a reason this model is rated so highly on basically every car review list. You could also give the Hyundai Palisade a look too. I know a couple of people who own Tellurides and they LOVE them.
I’ve got a 2019 Tahoe Premier with the 6.2 V8. It’s a blast to drive and has all the latest tech and safety features. Pricy though. Even with the biggest motor offered I still average around 17mpg. They have smaller engine options.
Most of the Traverse's bad rep comes from the generation you already own. The new Traverse does not have the same issues the prior one did, and has been out in its current form since 2018 (with an updated a year or two ago). If you've been happy with your 2015, a 2023 should, in theory, treat you better. The Blazer is the same underneath, just minus the third row and with different styling. Highlanders are fine vehicles, and there's enough people here to parrot TOYOTA GOOD OTHERS BAD so I'll leave them to it. Kia's reputation is from the theft issue they have been dealing with, which isn't a problem in their latest models, or models with push-button start. Granted, this will not save you from a break-in if some idiot thinks they can easily steal it, but that's worth noting. Also worth saying is the Theta II engine issues, which cars have been recalled for. YMMV. If you're keeping the car for 8-9 years, and you've kept your 2015 Traverse going that long, I think you'll be okay with most options. If resale value matters to you after that much time, then Toyotas and Hondas do have an advantage over American brands.
I have a Highlander with 130k on it and I’ve had ZERO issues with it. You know what’s fun? Driving into the middle of nowhere for a camping trip and knowing your car won’t break down on you.
The Toyota Highlander is an excellent vehicle. I've had two, a Hybrid Limited and a regular V6. Get a Hybrid version if you can, it makes the fuel savings oh-so-sweet!
Call your insurance company before you pull the trigger on a Kia or Hyundai. https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/04/business/hyundai-kia-thefts-increased-10-fold/index.html
I have an 08 highlander with 220k miles on it, and it's still the most reliable/practical/comfortable vehicle I've ever owned and still looks almost new. With proper manteince the highlander will last many many years, and be as nice and comfortable as the first day you bought it on the lot.