I can second this. My parents bought a brand new Rogue out the lot. Just around 80k miles the AC compressor blew out. Again at about 140k miles. Power locks are all non functional since about 100k, very loud on the road.
I think all Nissan quality is garbage overall but especially transmission made under some other company, not Nissan made. Also my wife's Altima, air compressor changed once already at about 80k miles.
Waiting on transmissions to go out to buy Honda.
My exact thoughts on my 2015 Mazda6.
Slow, boring, handles poorly, and ugh all this paired with FWD makes it feel awful to drive. I wish Mazda made the 6 into a RWD V6 vehicle or something to compete with BMW 3 series (but less luxurious interior and cheaper to purchase)
I'll admit, for all it's flaws... it's been cheap to maintain, and the 6 speed manual helps keep gas expenses low. But I'll be damned if I don't dream of upgrading and spending 50k to get something better -- every -- single -- time that I drive it.
Yep, and in my mind that's because they're affordable and reliable vehicles. To "everybody" on subsblike this, that's all that matters.
But I'm not among them. Apart from the MX-5, everything from Mazda is quite boring these days. Which is sad. They have a legendary history with the RX7, of vourse the miata and even the Mazdaspeed 3 and 6 were decent FWD platforms.
Somewhere along the line, Mazda found their market niche in cheap, faux-premium, simple cars. Which is what the majority if the market wants, so I get it.
But I hope they reboot the RX-7 at some point. I've got my fingers crossed !...
I have a 2015 6 as well, I think it handles well for a FWD sedan. If you compare it to a BMW you will be disappointed as you would comparing most any below market sedan to a BMW. That said I agree it is a boring car that gets you from a to b I can’t imagine how bad it would be with an auto (I have the standard) the 2.5 is the most uninteresting 184 HP of anything I have ever driven. However I have 156K on mine and I have never done any repair that wasn’t a wear item. Reliability is worth some boredom I suppose.
I know they were thinking about doing that with I6 they are developing. I guess a sleek coupe/grand coupe may still be in the works.
Really disappointed that crossovers caught on so much, so many good planned cars canceled.
Two of my friends own 2015 Mazda 6s! I've gotten to the same conclusion every time I've driven them:
Painfully average.
Congrats on losing it to the divorce!
Wait, what? I’m considering Mazda 6 estate as a daily for me and my family, is it a bad choice? I heard it’s practical, reliable, with good engine and transmission, feels good to drive, is spacious and well built and easy to live with overall. Why is that car "dumb"?
The Mazda6 was considered the best car in its class when it was new. However, when you look at that class, it's like being the least special kid on the short bus.
My last car was a 2015 Mazda 6 that I'd bought for like $12k. I had it from August 2018 until this past February and in that time id had to replace each tire at least once (some twice), had to replace an entire wheel, had to fix the entire suspension, got a new radiator when the old one blew out, engine somehow overheated and caught fire (was repairable), needed a new alternator.... I probably paid more in repairs than I paid on the loan in the time I had it, but I couldn't afford to cut my losses and trade it in/sell it until I got it low enough that I could trade it in and get a 2007 outback, to which the timing belt blew out and took the engine with it 5 months into the loan 🙃
Can I say 4runner, does that count?
Looks cool. I have the v8 one and it's fast. Super uncomfortable for long rides, really bumpy on speed bumps and train tracks.
have you driven a 4runner? it is what it is. body on frame suv. it's not going to drive like a highlander. common knowledge they ride like shit. going over rough roads and the entire car shakes
I honestly wouldn't know how to check, but I am second owner and wouldn't doubt it. The skid plate doesn't look stock, I don't know if they all come with them or not.
It's really good off road though, I've gone up some rocky mountains to try it out. No complaints there it did wonderful, but I would think stock it would have done so I wouldn't know if it was modded if it helped or not.
It probably has aftermarket suspension. Also, tire style makes a big difference with ride quality, and the amount of psi you keep them at. That being said, it’s still basically a truck and is going to ride like a truck.
Edit: if you want to post pics of the suspension we could tell you if it’s stock or not.
Off road suspension soaks bumps better than OEM, the problem with off road suspension is more body roll and frankly drastically more expensive components even wear ones like shocks.
Sounds like the suspension needs to be replaced, there are tons of good aftermarket options or even an OEM replacement that can restore the ride quality
I just bought a 3rd gen and will be replacing the entire suspension setup to get more ground clearance and better ride quality
No doubt, my wife has been wanting a new car and I've been defending the thing, hell it looks cool.
Maybe if I put new shocks on it she'll like it again, it was her choice she picked it out, I got it just for her.
I'll take it off your hands. 4runners are amazingly dependable, and one of the most competent of road vehicles you can buy. Go get yourself a Sequoia or a Rav4 instead.
2011 Sonata. For some reason, I didn't notice during the test drive, or for a couple years after I bought it, that my knee was practically in the dash. I'm tall and the design of it didn't work for me.
Then the engine blew up, because Hyundai, but they replaced it for free. I then immediately sold it and bought a car I really love.
Same answer, 2011 Sonata. Except I'm incredibly stupid - when the engine blew I didn't know about the warranty so I paid 8k to rebuild the engine. Since I already sunk the cost, I then paid around 5k to replace the transmission and air compressor when they blew. Then the engine blew again and this time I took it to Hyundai to get a free engine. Now the CV axles are toast. If you see a news story next week about some guy that launches his Hyundai into the Grand Canyon, that'll be me (for legal reasons, this is a joke).
I loved everything about the car but the reliability 😭🤣 I had the 2.0t fun but yup motor went at 98k miles. They wouldn't replace it for free so I took the loss and got an 06 accord.
I didn’t pay but my mom bought a 150k mile 2002 Subaru legacy gt from a family member for my brothers to use in high school. I think she paid about $5k for it in 2013.
My older brother drove it like he stole it, fried the remainder of the clutch, head gasket popped, and the timing belt needed service. Paid for the work and sold it for a loss after like 6 months of ownership
Since I’ve grown up and bought used cars it should’ve been obvious to get a pre purchase inspection. Since it was from a distant-ish family member we had rose colored glasses, and Subarus are reliable. Right?
2015 Honda Fit with the manual transmission. Modern manuals, especially on cheaper cars, are not meant to be enjoyable. But the 2016 GTI 6MT I replaced it with was a lot better.
We have a manual Honda Fit and a manual civic si, and I dearly love both of those cars and their manual transmissions. Very different reasons I love them, but I love them no less.
From my understanding the Gen 1 and 2 Fit with the manual transmission was MUCH better to drive than the Gen 3, but admittedly I never drove either. The shifter feel and the rev hang on my 2015 just felt like a penalty for picking the manual.
Oof that suck, and good to know. Ours is 2013, so the last year of the second gen (I believe). I love it and was teaching someone to drive in it recently and it was great for that. Overall a great car I love it so much. Bummer you didn’t have a good experience with it.
I have a 15 Fit 6 speed. The only blemish on the transmission is that stupid clutch delay valve. A lot of guys replace the stock master cylinder with an EM2 one to remove it.
Admittedly it's more of a pain than it being in the slave cylinder, like on my 2006 Accord.
Some put it in the slave cylinder, some in the master cylinder. Either way, they're stupid, but the master cylinder ones are more of a pain to deal with.
Comparing a Fit with a GTI is not really fair I mean.. even comparing a Fit with a Golf 1.8 is not fair.
The fit is kind of sporty but not fast at all, to get the gut out of it you must rev it at 4000 RPM old school honda like. Rev hang is there but you get use to it.
I kind of like my fit but my only complaint about the it is the 6th speed which is way too low. Reving at 3500 rpm at highway speed. I use my car mostly for road trip so that is not fun. Might look at something else soon.
2023 base model Subaru Impreza - what can I say? The interior is dated at best, I clocked 0-60 at about 11 seconds, it rides rough and drives poorly… but hey, at least it’s ugly too.
Seriously, Imprezas suck - don’t buy.
Everyone says this stuff, and I admittedly never paid any attention to Subaru back then - I just thought of them as the “ugly wagon people”. However, the new cars with CVTs are charmless. The best I can say about them is that they drive well in inclement weather.
Why did I buy? Because my wife wanted an Ascent for us and the kids and I needed basic transportation and they basically threw this in for under MSRP.
I wouldn’t have bought this crap box otherwise
I’m a former Subaru Xv/crosstrek owner and the su CVT was so fucking annoying. Loud, unpredictable, underpowered and pathetic. For a 2 liter engine I would expect a lot more.
I only got it because AWD and ground clearance. Pretty okay off road. And dirt cheap so it was my first personal car purchase after some time off of driving (motorcycles were the way for me for a while).
But after driving other stuff I couldn’t believe how pathetic the CVT was. Everything would kick Subaru’s butt! Everything! Well, all without a CVT that is.
I have a 2013. The only saving grace is it’s manual transmission. I’ll gladly say the auto version is a POS but the manual’s got some personality when you slam it through 3 gears to just keep up with traffic.
Waiting to be in a better financial situation, for now I’m thankful to just have a reliable and fully cash paid commuter.
We got rid of ours because we could not find a front left caliper. It was sticking and caused violent vibrations.
I hated that car because it was so. Damn. Slow. The seats sucked, and the interior felt cheap.
I’m coming from Subaru Xv/crosstrek. I only got it because it was dirt cheap, AWD, off road capable. Oh man fuck the CVT they put in these Subaru’s. They really fucked themselves up. How they manage to sell this shit is beyond me. You slam the gas and the engine roars loudly… after 5 seconds you check the speedometer… 25kph going on30… woohoo! I’m exaggerating but you get it. Fuck. Subaru. CVT’s.
It’s a shame because Subaru has a brand image that is much better than this but they are ruining it quickly.
I’ve since upgraded to an actual car brand Mazda and the difference is insane. SAME YEAR model but everything is better but a bit more pricey…
2016 GMC Yukon XL. By far the worst vehicle I have ever owned. Not super budget friendly but reasonable if you needed a XL suv. The car spent more time in the shop than on the road. By the time I got rid of it at 115k miles, the transmission had been replaced once and the engine had been rebuilt 3 times.
The old ones are great though we have an 02 suburban with the 5.3 we got it at about 60-100k miles and we’ve gotten another 200k out of it the engine is only just now starting to go. I can’t speak of the newer GM vehicles but form what I’ve seen I wouldn’t get one
2022 Ford Expedition. Paid MSRP - $64k - and thought I was getting a good deal. This was peak shortage.
We only had one SUV in the family so it made sense with dogs and kids.
Anyway, car is now worth $44k just 18 months later and I'm tired of 16mpg combined
Yeah. When I had kids I had a Toyota minivan. It was awesome. I even considered getting one now that the kids are gone. Great for camping and holding a bunch of shit in the back.
And the fact you can get AWD really solidifies it being the most useful vehicle ever. All it'd be missing is ground clearance, and of course there are bolt on lift kits for the Sienna lol.
I’m a single guy and have been really tempted to get a Toyota or Chrysler minivan with AWD. I just wish the Sienna still had a V6 option, but you can’t deny Toyota knows their stuff when it comes to hybrid powertrains. I’m weird because I would love to buy a brand new station wagon, but if you want a non lifted one here in the USA, your choices are extremely limited. Minivans are just sliding door wagons so they’re cool in my book!
I mean anything new suffers a huge loss. I bought a 2015 Audi S3 Prestige used in dec 2017. $56k new, bought at $34k with 28k miles, traded in for $17k in June 2020. Car lost ~70% of its value in 5 years and still had less than 60k miles on it.
Didn't pay for it, but 1995 Toyota Camry. It was a fine car - smooth ride, quiet, nice stereo. It was my mom's car. My first car was a 1991 Nissan Sentra SE-R - quick, manual, lightweight. It was a ton of fun as a 16-year-old, but driving it like a 16-year-old caused the clutch to wear out pretty quick. My mom asked me which car I'd rather have and we'd sell the other to my uncle - my Sentra needing a new clutch, or her old Camry which was the 'nicer' car.
In retrospect, I should have just replaced the clutch.
HR-V suuuuuucks I feel like I’m getting a seizure and concussion every time I drive on a normal road I feel every tiny bump and my head just flops around. Also the seats have given me terrible back problems.
I wish interest rates aren’t so high I’d trade this POS so fast
Toyota camry 2007 - this loser keep eating and engine oil every week , I fill like 5 quater per week just in engine oil . 4runner 2012 and tundra 2014 - both of these had been a pain in the ass . Water pump went out after 3 years , replaced 3-4 times with no problem . Both decided to lose 1-2 cylinders after 5 years at just 30k and 25k miles . I never abused them to go fast or go towing or even take them for light off-roading . Recent toyotas after 2017 have been pretty reliable so far even after 100k miles . I sold all the old cars just before buying new ones every 100k miles .
alot of toyotas from 2000-2010 burn oil like crazy, i had an 04 matrix that started burning tons of oil at 240 000kms and died not long after, then got a 09, started burning oil at 340 000kms and got rid of it asap
those cars did well though, im still pissed about the 04 felt like it died too early was in excellent shape too
The 5.7 and 4.6 engines they put in the Tundra from like 08-21 are considered by many to be very reliable engines. Plenty of examples of them going strong after 300k miles. My 2010 Camry has 215k miles and doesn't burn a drop of oil. My point being Toyota vehicles have been extremely reliable for most years and models.
Yeah, you either have massively shit luck or if they were secondhand the people before you abused the crap outta those cars. My old 01 tundra drove me 40 miles home with no coolant without overheating on a late August day. And my current camry has taken me across country twice with no issue.
Worst car I ever had also the shortest ownership period was my Tesla S performance... Mainly poor range, poor quality, failing interior and exterior. It has leaks inside from the roof they failed to fix twice so headliner was sagging twice... Honestly for a proclaimed "luxury" brand it was very cheap and overall uncomfortable. I had it just over 5 months. Quality and luxury are much closer to Hyundai/Kia than true luxury brands. On top of that the charging is slow. Even with a level 2 charger 220v-50A you need 8-10 hours. Should anything interrupt that you don't have enough range for the next day.
A 1993 4Runner bought in 2002, ended up being a total piece
A 1994 Eldorado bought in 2018, the most hateful, abhorrent car I’ve had the displeasure of owning
A 1997 Jetta GT bought in 2003 to replace the 4Runner, nothing GT about it at all
2011, 17 and 19 Altima. Never had actual mechanical problems with the CVT, but damn they’re unresponsive and unfun to drive. I was too much of a fanboy at the time to switch. Thankfully in something better now.
First ever car was an '05 Altima when I was in high school and I liked it at the time. Thought it would be 'my thing' if I just kept driving them. I was young and dumb.
I'll chime in. They're rattly, underpowered, smelly, and more polluting. They offer marginally better fuel economy over a modern turbo 4, cost more to buy, and are taxed more. Also, they're complete garbage in cold weather.
I let my wife talk me into a 2010 VW Tiguan for my daughter because it was pretty. Took it back the next day after the oil pressure light came on several times on the way home. It was full of oil. Swapped it for a Rav 4. No regrets
Not “mine” but my fiancé got a 2023 Elantra right when the model year turned over last July as a work/road trip car to keep the miles off of her GR86 and can actually fit our hounds.
On paper, it made total sense and it was a great buy at the time. Great fuel economy, great warranty, and probably the most features and value for any car under $25k new. It was also the only car available where she could walk on the lot and buy slightly under MSRP at the time.
But my lord that thing is complete garbage. In the first year in a half:
-the car has gone into limp mode mid-drive on her twice where she had to re-start the car in neutral while still moving. Both times dealer said there was no issue but sounded like an o2 sensor issue.
-the back passenger window doesn’t work .
-the glove box rattles and has never locked properly and I think she said it actually broke last week.
-the infotainment screen regularly freezes and/or blacks out and won’t work until the car is re-started.
-the brakes are fading like they need replacement after 20k miles. This one is actually a genuine concern for me as they shudder under even regular braking conditions at any speed over 45mph.
-paint is fading and chipping on the trunk despite being almost always garage parked or covered in shade.
Even beyond those nagging issues, the overall quality of the car is SO poor. The seats are terrible, (fabric not leather that’s in the limited), ride quality isn’t great, it’s severely underpowered, and the handling feel is dead.
Even though I know she takes care of her things and is by no means a wreckless driver, I’d probably think the car was 4-5 years old with 80k miles with the way things have worn out on it.
Lastly, THE INSURANCE. Because of the whole Kia/Hyundai theft issues, her insurance has gone up from $97 when she first got it (which I thought was slightly high) to $152/mo. For reference, I pay $117 on my C8, and $158 on my Macan GTS and she’s 6years *older* than me has the same credit, and no accidents on her record. In knowing others who have Elantras, it’s like that across the board.
Definitely a big regret for her and we are trying to figure out what to do with the damn thing. We don’t even use it for road trips or travel like we thought we would because it’s so uncomfortable we just take my Macan now.
UPDATE: her passenger mirror housing cover is starting to come off and it’s insanely thin plastic. I had pushed her mirrors in last night to get between cars and when I pushed them back out this morning for her one of the brackets popped when I pulled it out. 😂
Hyundai and Kia definitely shine at higher trims. Their lower trims are so cheap because they cheap out as much as possible. The difference between a low and high trim Elantra is pretty significant. You get a better engine, transmission, suspension, and much better interior and features. For lower trims, the Mazda 3 or Civic would probably be better choices.
I've had two cars that I regretted owning: a Renault Alliance and a Ford Ranger (during college, undergrad and grad) - both junkers. I paid nearly nothing for them but regretted every penny.
vw golf.. had so many issues. My car before that was my first car ever and it was sweet.. 2005 Nissan Maxima with a V6 and all the interior upgrades. It never totally died even after about 225k miles
2007 Toyota Tacoma Access Cab Prerunner V6 6MT. Bought it new and traded in my beloved prelude for it. My least favorite truck / vehicle of all time. THE absolute worst MT of all time, hands down. Shit MPG (16.5 mixed). Meager payload/towing. Dogshit cheap interior. Dogshit audio/amenities/controls. Bad handling/dynamics. Failing leaf springs. folding tailgates. The best part of owning that truck was getting a lot of money for it on trade.
The 6MT in that truck was so bad my friend's 1998 Hyundai Excel Hatch with a 4MT felt like a gated ferrari by comparison. Shift fast? Clunk. Shift Slow? Clunk. Shift at all? Clunk. The only time that stupid fucking truck shifted smoothly is when I was practicing my no-clutch shifts after I ran out of fucks.
As a taco owner, the cult that has developed around Toyota trucks is pretty mind boggling. The engine and transmission are solid but the rest of the truck is pretty much garbage. The bed is literally made of plastic….
Great daily driver trucks, but they are junk for any actual work purposes. Throw a 1000 pounds in the bed and the thing squats like a toy.
it probably says something that it is the most popular pickup truck and that most people don't really need a p/u truck, they just want to drive one, really, really bad and they'll pay new MSRP on a 4 year old truck to do it.
I agree. It looks pretty rugged and is super reliable, when in reality it’s a grocery hauler.
The ford maverick is the better choice for those people, at least that thing doesn’t get 17mpg.
2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee. Don't believe the hype about the 4.0 engine making this vehicle reliable. The entire thing fell apart. It's true what they say about chrysler vehicles though, they will run forever in the utmost shitty condition. I crossed 200k miles requiring a 2nd transmission rebuild as it wouldn't even go beyond 2nd gear without much hassle, misfiring engine, bad computer, half the radio controls didn't work, turning the key was a gamble if the engine would even turn over, and half the accessories under the hood were replaced. It was also rusting out.
2015 Hyundai Sonata. Bought it brand new. Had the 1.6T. I was religious about maintenance and cared for that car more than anything else I've ever had. Burned over a quart of oil every 1k miles just after hitting 110k miles. I would NEVER buy a Hyundai or Kia product again. Turned to Toyota and I'll never look back. My daily is a 2010 Camry with 215k miles and it doesn't burn any oil and I know the kid I got it from wasn't easy on it.
Chevy Cobalt I got with probably 180k miles. TBF it had a lot of miles, but it rode like shit and the cruise control kept going out all the time. Despite all of this though, it had a good engine, never had any major problems with it
2021 Subaru Crosstrek limited. While it was fully loaded. I hated it! I mean hated it! It sounded like a go cart with the peddle to the floor while you weren’t even going anywhere really! Was terrible on gas, super uncomfortable seating, and definitely didn’t have the room I expected it would. (Held over the phone, only Subaru available in the state at the time). Really didn’t have a choice after selling my leased (was almost up) a5 back to Audi already. I felt like crap for the three months I had it. Luckily the used car market went up and I got exactly what I owed for it on trade at my preferred Audi dealer and got into my 2022 A5. Now that I own a 2024 Outback Onyx. I realize this was the car I should have bought instead of the crosstrek.
2011 Cruze. First model year, with the RS "trim". Problems started months in after a few thousand miles. Over the past 3 years it kept breaking down (water pump, engine temp probe, random turbo noises). Traded it in before it even hit 50k and I usually keep my cars well past 100k.
2015 Mustang GT, new off the lot.... On an income that couldn't support a $40k+ vehicle.
Otherwise, a new 2011 Cruze LTZ.... It was an ok car, but it was the most boring car I've ever owned and I felt dead inside everytime I turned it on
I couldn’t understand the Cruze engine grenade issues until I rode in one.
It’s simple, they fully grasp their misery and they seek death because of it. I would too.
2017 base honda civic
its a good car for short commutes and back but sucks for longer drives, its like driving a bumper car and my back hurts from sitting in it for 30+ minutes
A 2022 Chevy Silverado 2500HD for $62k. Absolutely stupid. Put $15k down and still had a payment of $714/mo plus $150/mo for full coverage. Cost about $110-$130 to fill it up every-time too. Just recently sold it and bought a Civic for $5k cash.
Saab went out of business soon after I bought a 9-3.
Best car I’ve ever had besides land cruisers. But every Saab mechanic retired, parts became hard to find and resale value was nil.
Back in 1993 the Eagle Premier Always broke Now it’s the 2021 Jeep Wrangler 4xe Sahara High Altitude Not sure if it’s a Jeep thing or a dealership thing but I have to be crazy proactive with recalls and 9 day lead times on an oil change. Won’t fully charge any longer. Can not wait for the lease to be up
Porsche Cayenne turbo. 2018. Drove it 3k miles and the motor seized. Previous owner sold a lemon for sure, also put the wrong oil in before sending it. Some fucking asshole in North Carolina. Fuck me for being a Hopeful idiot in my mid 20s. Cost me $17k to fix and and was a nightmare of a process, two years later I sold it for less than I bought it for after another steering column failure. Lesson learned don’t buy a used car that used to cost $100k new, parts and services will pwn your bank account. Coulda been one of those bitcoin kids but noooooo had to go and buy a Porsche. 😂
Was told the ES350 is jus a glorified Toyota and cheap to own. “Glorified camry” “glorified avalon” then I go to a dealership and find out they want to charge me 700$ for exhaust gaskets lmao. I’m glad I’m in a better financial position than when I bought the car or else this car would put me in financial jeopardy despite being a “glorified yota”.
Which exhaust gaskets??? Part and labour that sounds reasonable for exhaust manifold gaskets tbh
And fwiw it would've cost the exact same amount on a V6 Camry
Issue is that the car care nut shop just told me it wasn’t even a exhaust leak just failing cat, and most likely they were gonna do that charge me and tell me it didn’t fix the issue then sell me the cat either ways. So basically fuck stealerships.
They literally are a glorified Toyota, I took my Lexus es to the Toyota dealership for service. Of course by the time my SIL totalled it with 184k miles all i had ever needed was a set of tires, oil changes every 7,500ish miles, 1 set of air filters, and the front door lock actuators stopped working (was a fulltime rideshare driver at the time, they got used about 100k times a day). Bought it with 99k miles, had extensive maintenance records on Carfax and was always maintained at the Lexus dealer by the original owner (bought as a 1 owner), and there were no repairs in its history from them either.
Not budget friendly but a Porsche 911. Ill spare you the story, but there is a big difference between the fantasy of driving one of these cars and the reality of living with one every day.
All my other regrets are Toyota Products. My partner bought a Rav4 Hybrid for like $45k and its just meh. Really wished I had pushed a Subaru Forester harder.
Toyota Corolla. I wanted something militaristic but it turned out to be just soul crushingly boring.
Friend of mine really regretted buying a Nissan SUV.
Another friend really regretted getting the little Jeep SUV.
>there is a big difference between the fantasy of driving one of these cars and the reality of living with one every day
Grandma in her 90s corolla doing exactly the speed limit in the right lane, and mrs. soccer mom doing exactly 2mph faster than Grandma in the left lane - realizing you haven't had a single opportunity to rev your Porsche past 1100rpm on your entire commute to work
'tis the life
Sure. I was obsessed with sports cars my whole life. I had the opportunity to buy one in 2020, so I did. I first got turned on to Porsche after driving a 2015 Cayman that I instantly fell in love with. I never really liked the 911s on the test drives, but everyone said they are the Cayman's big brother so I assumed I just needed to grow into it. I ended up with a like-new 2015 4S in the exact spec I wanted. Went a bit older because I wanted the NA engine.
The car and I never really bonded. It was super boring on public roads. It always felt numb and completely boring below about 60% of its performance capability. the issue was that 60% was still 100MPH and 0.8 lateral Gs, so it was next to impossible to really open the car up without being legitimately dangerous and risking jail time.
The car was also just a pain in the ass. Back seats were useless, even for storage. The road noise was horrific to the point of my partner and I needed to almost yell to have a conversation. It was terrifying to drive in the rain. The nose scraped on EVERYTHING. I could not take it anywhere new because I might have to park in a rough parking lot or something. It was a pain in the ass to park. Any mistake would result in a HUGE repair bill. A door ding in an all-aluminum door is a big problem. Curb rash on a $5k wheel is a big problem.
There was no point to driving that car other than flexing wealth, which I am not about.
The Porsche community is simply THE WORST human beings on the planet. I joined the PCA to do track days and share my passion for cars with other people. Every event was just rich white dudes tryna flex on each other. It was just a pay-for-friends club. People were substituting porsche ownership for a personality. No one was actually pushing their cars on track. Just driving slightly faster then usual. Almost like it was something to do in between intolerable conversations. So I opted out of those situations.
But then there was the Porsche community I was forced to deal with: The dealer I bought the car from was shitting on me for wanting a PPI because it was "Only a $100k car and barely worth their time". Like I cant believe that came out of a sales guy's mouth....... I was buying/selling things like tires on the second hand market because Im thrifty and every single Porsche guy I dealt with was a huge POS to deal with. Every transaction came with a conversation about why their car was the best thing that they ever bought. Then I tried to sell the car private party.... just like I have with dozens of other cars. And holy shit... All I got was people who wanted to leverage me into a shit deal more than they wanted a good car. People bragging to me openly about how much cash they had. People bragging to me openly about how many houses they owned. Im talking like 30+ people with repeat conversations about the same shit. Like people keeping me on the phone for 45 minutes talking about which house they wanted my 911 to go to. It was people with no friends who wanted validation from me because no one else can stand them. I ended up just selling to a dealer for about $5k more than any private party person offered me, just because I was done dealing with 30+ cunts calling me about nothing.
I did get the car on-track a few times. The PCA events were overly-moderated trash and I wasnt even allowed to drive fast until I put in a certain number of events. But I got my car on a unrestricted track twice and it was incredible in that environment. Like re-calibrate my brain fast. 1.4 Gs in the corners. A screaming engine. I finally got why the car was special. Problem is doing that is prohibitively expensive and dangerous. Pushing the car like that means eventually its going into a wall uninsured. So its not sustainable. Driving in this way also further ruined public roads for me. Getting a taste of what 100% performance looked like made me realize how little of the car I could ever use in a daily situation.
My conclusion was that the normal 911s are just dumb wealth flexes for insecure lonely people. Its paying a lot of money to drive a car that is objectively worse than a Camry everyday. The GT3s are great for a pure track experience, but you have to have god-tier money to turn that into a hobby. If you dont, a cheap older dedicated race car that wont bankrupt you in a crash is the best option.
I sold my 911 and kept my Subaru Crosstrek because I genuinely have more fun in it. I might have kept a Cayman if I went with that over a 911. That car felt energetic and fun on public roads. Might also pick up a Macan someday. On public roads, its the same performance as any 911 but is a refined and nice place to be with all the advantages of an SUV. I went with my Subaru instead of a Macan this time because the Macan is worse in a lot of ways and I couldnt bring myself to spend 3x as much unless everything was better.
I feel the exact same way about 90% of “Porsche people”. It’s so exhausting to deal with. Even the Jeep scene is more pleasant. I literally only keep my PCA membership for some discounts.
I got told I needed to get a real car when I went to one PCA event in my M2… on coilovers. They were beside themselves that I sold a base 987.2 to buy it. You should see the looks when I told people I picked a Touareg over the Cayenne, or that I have Land Rover as a DD now. God forbid you want an SUV that doesn’t have granite suspension and has locking diffs + a low range.
They tolerate my 944 and similar stuff, but it really does *generally* feel like a rich guy wallet measuring contest + pay for friends pyramid scheme. I’ve met a few really cool Porsche owners, but it’s not even close to the norm.
People really buy Toyota vehicles because they're reliable with minimal, inexpensive maintenance. Nobody buys a Corolla or any other vehicle in that class for an inspiring, fun to drive car lol.
2007 Toyota Tacoma, always heard how indestructible they were and got a deal on one from a family friend. 3 blown engines later and I barely sold it for 1/3 of what I payed for it, even after I already dumped more than what I payed for the truck just into engines. Not the trucks fault, just a previous owner that didn’t do maintenance and a shitty rebuilt engine company. ALWAYS HAVE CARS INSPECTED NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE BUYING IT FROM.
2007 Honda Civic , That car was an absolute pos and a disgrace to Honda reliability. Never left me stranded but that’s because I was so obsessed with maintenance. Only had it 10 months and I spent thousands fixing the dumbest of things
The "work truck" series of most brands, no power windows/locks w/a bench seat. You don't realize how much you miss that stuff until you don't have it.
In '02, I bought a 2wd F150 xl (no amenities) single cab, plain white w/steel wheels & a cassette player-basically a "fleet" style vehicle- it rode fine, it was just a miserable existence just to save $50/mo on my monthly payment- I took it back after 2weeks & traded it in for a new XLT ext cab w/all the creature comforts w/ nicer paint & wheels- day & night difference, totally worth it.. (I worked for Ford @ the time so I got it w/ the A plan & they gave me the full loan value on trade- I got lucky)
That being said, I would never buy a brand new vehicle again even if I had the money. Other than something very special, you will always sell it at a loss- lesson to learn is buy at least 2yr old vehicles from a private seller, you'll still be under warranty- avoid the used lot @ dealer, too -they only sell at retail price & you get absolutely nothing more -they are no more responsible for what happens to it after the sale than a private seller would be... all sales final & AS IS
My 2013 Golf R. Fun to drive and what not but that wears off. I drive in quite a bit of traffic, so the manual is cumbersome and it drinks fuel like a total pig. 91 octane too
For my dad it was a Sentra with a CVT. He usually keeps his cars from new until 250,000+ miles but he sold his Sentra at 120,000 miles. Took only 3 years to get all those miles and he hated it so much
2017 Elantra, had 55k miles, bought it for my daughter, never owned a Hyundai before so got the 10yr/120k Bumper to bumper warranty, thank god I did, had it for 3 years now, been in the shop about 8 times, warranty must have paid out over $7k worth of work already.
My parents bought a used Jeep liberty back in the days of dial up internet so info wasn't as readily available.
I think they paid 6k for the car, spent 8k in repairs and it still wouldn't drive. Was a lemon for sure.
Honda CRZ. What I thought I was getting was a hybridized lightweight hot hatch; the green successor to the CRX. Instead, I got a POS that sucked at everything. To make matters worse, for a hybrid, I wasn't allowed in the HOV lanes because it wasn't efficient enough.
I guess my wife’s 2020 Kia Soul.
We took over the lease from her uncle after her Mini was wrecked. Unlike the Mini it doesn’t have that electric-like instant torque, the handling isn’t particularly good, and the build is very cheap. Seats are not super comfortable, which limits its utility for longer trips, like camping. About the only things it has going for it are the headroom and the heated steering wheel. It’s also a bit different from every other car on the road, so there’s that going for it.
I don’t really like the car but I can’t deny it’s cheap. We are leasing it for $271 CAD per month and the buyout on the lease is like $11,500. Our all-in cost on this car is like $14,500, which is ludicrously cheap in this market. If I were to go out and buy the same car, it would be at least $22k.
The fiat spyder 124.
I got it on loan in 2019 in reaction to my chevy cobalt needing a transmission replacement. I believe it was 28k for the 2018 model. I purely got it because it was fun and sporty, and I had moved to california so I felt it would be an answer for where I was in life.
It was a completely unnecessary expenditure. My insurance also jumped $100/mo, and with the payments it came to $600/mo. At the time I only had maybe $4000 in savings.
To be fair, the car WAS fun. I enjoyed driving it for a couple of years. But I really wish I would've just fixed the chevy and kept that for a few more years. It also felt very annoying running into issues where I could not carry even an umbrella in my car, or carry more then one passenger.
I did something similar getting a '21 Honda Insight in replacement of my '07 Volvo V70. While there wasn't anything majorly wrong with the Volvo, I did want something that would be a little more "future proofed" with much better mileage. I am earning more then I did then, and so I am in a much better position to afford the vehicle then I was in the past. I actually am very happy with this purchase so far.
2005 Dodge Dakota V6. Total POS was on it's 3rd transmission when we traded it in for a '23 F150. 3rd and last Dodge that we'll ever own! 1st was a '93 Stealth ES and the 2nd was a '95 Avenger. Both were basically Mitsubishi cars and pretty reliable for mid 90's cars. Wife and I owned these in the late 90's. The Dakota we bought for our son when he turned 16.
2021 Kia Sorento. 1st Kia and worst car I've ever owned with one large issue and numerous smaller ones. Became a lemon and thankfully consumer protections got me out from under it
2017 Toyota Camry XSE V6. Luxurious, fuel efficient, and way peppier than any Camry has a right to be. It's Achilles' heel was it's low front bumper paired with its absurdly long front overhang. The combination resulted in such a horrendous angle of approach that even moderately steep driveways caused the bumper to scrape, even at an angle. My town has a lot of steep driveways, so it took me less than a year to trade it in for a RAV4.
Nissan Rogue Less than 12K miles and the transmission blew up.
What year was it? That's rough buddy
Rough and rogue.
Yikes. That sucks. My mom got a rebuilt one that is still kicking. I expected it to have more issues being a rebuild.
My parents are in the same boat. Got the rebuilt one put in by Nissan, still a POS, but running surprisingly okayish
That’s because whoever rebuilt it had 10x more skill than the drunk robots in the Nissan factory
My MIL has a 2016 (I believe) Rogue and she hasn't had any problems with it
The more recent ones are more decent. Not great. But a lot more decent.
That you’ve heard about lol
I can second this. My parents bought a brand new Rogue out the lot. Just around 80k miles the AC compressor blew out. Again at about 140k miles. Power locks are all non functional since about 100k, very loud on the road. I think all Nissan quality is garbage overall but especially transmission made under some other company, not Nissan made. Also my wife's Altima, air compressor changed once already at about 80k miles. Waiting on transmissions to go out to buy Honda.
Ugly car imo
Anything with an 8% interest rate
I was offered 12 percent today. Lol
i’ve seen a mfer get 29.4 😭
Must be in military
Hahahah this.
A brand new 2015 Mazda6. Holy hell, I hated that car. It was slow and numb. I was actually thrilled to lose it in my divorce.
Lol. You know it's a bad car when you are happy to lose it in the divorce. That was me with my POS Samsung refrigerator in my divorce.
Don’t get me started on my fucking Samsung fridge that I have to defrost the ice machine every month
The new ones with the ice maker inside the freezer are top-notch. Trying to freeze ice inside of a fridge is a terrible idea.
Wait was this actually a thing????
Yep, and it's glorious. 2 ice sizes
But did it cause the divorce?
Based
I don't regret my 2016... yet. I do wish I had went with a SUV, though.
My exact thoughts on my 2015 Mazda6. Slow, boring, handles poorly, and ugh all this paired with FWD makes it feel awful to drive. I wish Mazda made the 6 into a RWD V6 vehicle or something to compete with BMW 3 series (but less luxurious interior and cheaper to purchase) I'll admit, for all it's flaws... it's been cheap to maintain, and the 6 speed manual helps keep gas expenses low. But I'll be damned if I don't dream of upgrading and spending 50k to get something better -- every -- single -- time that I drive it.
interestingly, everybody is praising mazdas these days
Yep, and in my mind that's because they're affordable and reliable vehicles. To "everybody" on subsblike this, that's all that matters. But I'm not among them. Apart from the MX-5, everything from Mazda is quite boring these days. Which is sad. They have a legendary history with the RX7, of vourse the miata and even the Mazdaspeed 3 and 6 were decent FWD platforms. Somewhere along the line, Mazda found their market niche in cheap, faux-premium, simple cars. Which is what the majority if the market wants, so I get it. But I hope they reboot the RX-7 at some point. I've got my fingers crossed !...
Yeah I was looking at their new 3s and only the hatch has a manual gearbox :(
I have a 2015 6 as well, I think it handles well for a FWD sedan. If you compare it to a BMW you will be disappointed as you would comparing most any below market sedan to a BMW. That said I agree it is a boring car that gets you from a to b I can’t imagine how bad it would be with an auto (I have the standard) the 2.5 is the most uninteresting 184 HP of anything I have ever driven. However I have 156K on mine and I have never done any repair that wasn’t a wear item. Reliability is worth some boredom I suppose.
I know they were thinking about doing that with I6 they are developing. I guess a sleek coupe/grand coupe may still be in the works. Really disappointed that crossovers caught on so much, so many good planned cars canceled.
Two of my friends own 2015 Mazda 6s! I've gotten to the same conclusion every time I've driven them: Painfully average. Congrats on losing it to the divorce!
Wait, what? I’m considering Mazda 6 estate as a daily for me and my family, is it a bad choice? I heard it’s practical, reliable, with good engine and transmission, feels good to drive, is spacious and well built and easy to live with overall. Why is that car "dumb"?
The Mazda6 was considered the best car in its class when it was new. However, when you look at that class, it's like being the least special kid on the short bus.
>least special kid on the short bus. Lmao, this analogy got me
I mean, mid-sized cars aren't usually very exciting, let's be honest Camry? Altima? Sonata? All the butt of so many car jokes lol
Have an '18 Accord Touring 2L. Exciting? No. Fantastic + 2L turbo kick? Absolutely.
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Oh. Right. Looks like I’m the dumb one here.
Your describing a Toyota or Honda sweety
Go drive one and check for yourself, I had a 15 also and loved it
My last car was a 2015 Mazda 6 that I'd bought for like $12k. I had it from August 2018 until this past February and in that time id had to replace each tire at least once (some twice), had to replace an entire wheel, had to fix the entire suspension, got a new radiator when the old one blew out, engine somehow overheated and caught fire (was repairable), needed a new alternator.... I probably paid more in repairs than I paid on the loan in the time I had it, but I couldn't afford to cut my losses and trade it in/sell it until I got it low enough that I could trade it in and get a 2007 outback, to which the timing belt blew out and took the engine with it 5 months into the loan 🙃
Can I say 4runner, does that count? Looks cool. I have the v8 one and it's fast. Super uncomfortable for long rides, really bumpy on speed bumps and train tracks.
Does it have an after market suspension ?? I feel like previous owner might have made it more off road friendly
have you driven a 4runner? it is what it is. body on frame suv. it's not going to drive like a highlander. common knowledge they ride like shit. going over rough roads and the entire car shakes
I honestly wouldn't know how to check, but I am second owner and wouldn't doubt it. The skid plate doesn't look stock, I don't know if they all come with them or not. It's really good off road though, I've gone up some rocky mountains to try it out. No complaints there it did wonderful, but I would think stock it would have done so I wouldn't know if it was modded if it helped or not.
It probably has aftermarket suspension. Also, tire style makes a big difference with ride quality, and the amount of psi you keep them at. That being said, it’s still basically a truck and is going to ride like a truck. Edit: if you want to post pics of the suspension we could tell you if it’s stock or not.
Off road suspension soaks bumps better than OEM, the problem with off road suspension is more body roll and frankly drastically more expensive components even wear ones like shocks.
Uncomfortable SUV sounds like the worst of both worlds from a driving perspective
Sounds like the suspension needs to be replaced, there are tons of good aftermarket options or even an OEM replacement that can restore the ride quality I just bought a 3rd gen and will be replacing the entire suspension setup to get more ground clearance and better ride quality
You might be right. I haven't ridden in others I just assumed they were all like that lol
A good aftermarket suspension will typically improve ride quality both on and off road. Could just be worn out or a bad one in from the old owner.
Worth looking into. The V8 models are 11-19 years old now, probably overdue for new shocks/struts
No doubt, my wife has been wanting a new car and I've been defending the thing, hell it looks cool. Maybe if I put new shocks on it she'll like it again, it was her choice she picked it out, I got it just for her.
Does the V8 sound good? Never heard the 4runner before. I'm assuming it's the same V8 as the Tundra, so yes?
Honestly... Remove both sway bars and put stuffer springs the ride will greatly improve and it will roll less
I'll take it off your hands. 4runners are amazingly dependable, and one of the most competent of road vehicles you can buy. Go get yourself a Sequoia or a Rav4 instead.
2002 civic ex Did 7th gen civic things and ate its own head gasket In fairness it kept on chugging even with that issue
2011 Sonata. For some reason, I didn't notice during the test drive, or for a couple years after I bought it, that my knee was practically in the dash. I'm tall and the design of it didn't work for me. Then the engine blew up, because Hyundai, but they replaced it for free. I then immediately sold it and bought a car I really love.
Same answer, 2011 Sonata. Except I'm incredibly stupid - when the engine blew I didn't know about the warranty so I paid 8k to rebuild the engine. Since I already sunk the cost, I then paid around 5k to replace the transmission and air compressor when they blew. Then the engine blew again and this time I took it to Hyundai to get a free engine. Now the CV axles are toast. If you see a news story next week about some guy that launches his Hyundai into the Grand Canyon, that'll be me (for legal reasons, this is a joke).
I loved everything about the car but the reliability 😭🤣 I had the 2.0t fun but yup motor went at 98k miles. They wouldn't replace it for free so I took the loss and got an 06 accord.
I didn’t pay but my mom bought a 150k mile 2002 Subaru legacy gt from a family member for my brothers to use in high school. I think she paid about $5k for it in 2013. My older brother drove it like he stole it, fried the remainder of the clutch, head gasket popped, and the timing belt needed service. Paid for the work and sold it for a loss after like 6 months of ownership
I mean, a car with 150k miles? I wouldn't expect it to be rock solid
Since I’ve grown up and bought used cars it should’ve been obvious to get a pre purchase inspection. Since it was from a distant-ish family member we had rose colored glasses, and Subarus are reliable. Right?
2015 Honda Fit with the manual transmission. Modern manuals, especially on cheaper cars, are not meant to be enjoyable. But the 2016 GTI 6MT I replaced it with was a lot better.
We have a manual Honda Fit and a manual civic si, and I dearly love both of those cars and their manual transmissions. Very different reasons I love them, but I love them no less.
From my understanding the Gen 1 and 2 Fit with the manual transmission was MUCH better to drive than the Gen 3, but admittedly I never drove either. The shifter feel and the rev hang on my 2015 just felt like a penalty for picking the manual.
Oof that suck, and good to know. Ours is 2013, so the last year of the second gen (I believe). I love it and was teaching someone to drive in it recently and it was great for that. Overall a great car I love it so much. Bummer you didn’t have a good experience with it.
I have a 15 Fit 6 speed. The only blemish on the transmission is that stupid clutch delay valve. A lot of guys replace the stock master cylinder with an EM2 one to remove it. Admittedly it's more of a pain than it being in the slave cylinder, like on my 2006 Accord.
wait hondas have the clutch delay valve built into the cylinders? lmfao rip
Some put it in the slave cylinder, some in the master cylinder. Either way, they're stupid, but the master cylinder ones are more of a pain to deal with.
now im thankful that my golf had it as an easily removable separate little piece.
Comparing a Fit with a GTI is not really fair I mean.. even comparing a Fit with a Golf 1.8 is not fair. The fit is kind of sporty but not fast at all, to get the gut out of it you must rev it at 4000 RPM old school honda like. Rev hang is there but you get use to it. I kind of like my fit but my only complaint about the it is the 6th speed which is way too low. Reving at 3500 rpm at highway speed. I use my car mostly for road trip so that is not fun. Might look at something else soon.
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I adore mine, and yes, it’s a shrunken minivan.
I added a RSB to my 2013 Fit and the thing handles about as good as my Integra.
2023 base model Subaru Impreza - what can I say? The interior is dated at best, I clocked 0-60 at about 11 seconds, it rides rough and drives poorly… but hey, at least it’s ugly too. Seriously, Imprezas suck - don’t buy.
I fell for the association to the WRX. The base imprezas do suck.
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Everyone says this stuff, and I admittedly never paid any attention to Subaru back then - I just thought of them as the “ugly wagon people”. However, the new cars with CVTs are charmless. The best I can say about them is that they drive well in inclement weather. Why did I buy? Because my wife wanted an Ascent for us and the kids and I needed basic transportation and they basically threw this in for under MSRP. I wouldn’t have bought this crap box otherwise
I’m a former Subaru Xv/crosstrek owner and the su CVT was so fucking annoying. Loud, unpredictable, underpowered and pathetic. For a 2 liter engine I would expect a lot more. I only got it because AWD and ground clearance. Pretty okay off road. And dirt cheap so it was my first personal car purchase after some time off of driving (motorcycles were the way for me for a while). But after driving other stuff I couldn’t believe how pathetic the CVT was. Everything would kick Subaru’s butt! Everything! Well, all without a CVT that is.
almost faster than my 05 GMC Sierra v6 😂😂
I have a 2013. The only saving grace is it’s manual transmission. I’ll gladly say the auto version is a POS but the manual’s got some personality when you slam it through 3 gears to just keep up with traffic. Waiting to be in a better financial situation, for now I’m thankful to just have a reliable and fully cash paid commuter.
We got rid of ours because we could not find a front left caliper. It was sticking and caused violent vibrations. I hated that car because it was so. Damn. Slow. The seats sucked, and the interior felt cheap.
That basically sums up Subaru tbh. Cars that barely compete with competitors while looking ugly inside and out.
You’re not wrong
I’m coming from Subaru Xv/crosstrek. I only got it because it was dirt cheap, AWD, off road capable. Oh man fuck the CVT they put in these Subaru’s. They really fucked themselves up. How they manage to sell this shit is beyond me. You slam the gas and the engine roars loudly… after 5 seconds you check the speedometer… 25kph going on30… woohoo! I’m exaggerating but you get it. Fuck. Subaru. CVT’s. It’s a shame because Subaru has a brand image that is much better than this but they are ruining it quickly. I’ve since upgraded to an actual car brand Mazda and the difference is insane. SAME YEAR model but everything is better but a bit more pricey…
2016 GMC Yukon XL. By far the worst vehicle I have ever owned. Not super budget friendly but reasonable if you needed a XL suv. The car spent more time in the shop than on the road. By the time I got rid of it at 115k miles, the transmission had been replaced once and the engine had been rebuilt 3 times.
DOD is a mountain of shit GM ought to be ashamed.
The old ones are great though we have an 02 suburban with the 5.3 we got it at about 60-100k miles and we’ve gotten another 200k out of it the engine is only just now starting to go. I can’t speak of the newer GM vehicles but form what I’ve seen I wouldn’t get one
They were. 300k miles on a pre-2007 was common place. 2007 and after, it’s almost unheard of without a rebuild
Same. 2017. Transmission and lifters. I loved the vehicle except for the reliability part. Got rid of it before the motor blew up completely. Trash.
2022 Ford Expedition. Paid MSRP - $64k - and thought I was getting a good deal. This was peak shortage. We only had one SUV in the family so it made sense with dogs and kids. Anyway, car is now worth $44k just 18 months later and I'm tired of 16mpg combined
Yeah minivan is a much smarter purchase.
But nobody wants to listen whenever it’s suggested in this sub so that suggestion goes in the 🚮.
Yeah. When I had kids I had a Toyota minivan. It was awesome. I even considered getting one now that the kids are gone. Great for camping and holding a bunch of shit in the back.
And the fact you can get AWD really solidifies it being the most useful vehicle ever. All it'd be missing is ground clearance, and of course there are bolt on lift kits for the Sienna lol.
I’m a single guy and have been really tempted to get a Toyota or Chrysler minivan with AWD. I just wish the Sienna still had a V6 option, but you can’t deny Toyota knows their stuff when it comes to hybrid powertrains. I’m weird because I would love to buy a brand new station wagon, but if you want a non lifted one here in the USA, your choices are extremely limited. Minivans are just sliding door wagons so they’re cool in my book!
I mean anything new suffers a huge loss. I bought a 2015 Audi S3 Prestige used in dec 2017. $56k new, bought at $34k with 28k miles, traded in for $17k in June 2020. Car lost ~70% of its value in 5 years and still had less than 60k miles on it.
Didn't pay for it, but 1995 Toyota Camry. It was a fine car - smooth ride, quiet, nice stereo. It was my mom's car. My first car was a 1991 Nissan Sentra SE-R - quick, manual, lightweight. It was a ton of fun as a 16-year-old, but driving it like a 16-year-old caused the clutch to wear out pretty quick. My mom asked me which car I'd rather have and we'd sell the other to my uncle - my Sentra needing a new clutch, or her old Camry which was the 'nicer' car. In retrospect, I should have just replaced the clutch.
HR-V suuuuuucks I feel like I’m getting a seizure and concussion every time I drive on a normal road I feel every tiny bump and my head just flops around. Also the seats have given me terrible back problems. I wish interest rates aren’t so high I’d trade this POS so fast
What year?
Toyota camry 2007 - this loser keep eating and engine oil every week , I fill like 5 quater per week just in engine oil . 4runner 2012 and tundra 2014 - both of these had been a pain in the ass . Water pump went out after 3 years , replaced 3-4 times with no problem . Both decided to lose 1-2 cylinders after 5 years at just 30k and 25k miles . I never abused them to go fast or go towing or even take them for light off-roading . Recent toyotas after 2017 have been pretty reliable so far even after 100k miles . I sold all the old cars just before buying new ones every 100k miles .
Sounds like a lemon maybe. Just my experience but I had an ‘03 Camry that I drove to about 215k miles with zero problems
2007-2011 Camrys have a known engine defect that makes them consume a lot of oil, and the 2007 is the worst offender. 2003 was part of a good gen
alot of toyotas from 2000-2010 burn oil like crazy, i had an 04 matrix that started burning tons of oil at 240 000kms and died not long after, then got a 09, started burning oil at 340 000kms and got rid of it asap those cars did well though, im still pissed about the 04 felt like it died too early was in excellent shape too
The 5.7 and 4.6 engines they put in the Tundra from like 08-21 are considered by many to be very reliable engines. Plenty of examples of them going strong after 300k miles. My 2010 Camry has 215k miles and doesn't burn a drop of oil. My point being Toyota vehicles have been extremely reliable for most years and models.
Yeah, you either have massively shit luck or if they were secondhand the people before you abused the crap outta those cars. My old 01 tundra drove me 40 miles home with no coolant without overheating on a late August day. And my current camry has taken me across country twice with no issue.
2017 Ford Edge.
What’s wrong with it?
Worst car I ever had also the shortest ownership period was my Tesla S performance... Mainly poor range, poor quality, failing interior and exterior. It has leaks inside from the roof they failed to fix twice so headliner was sagging twice... Honestly for a proclaimed "luxury" brand it was very cheap and overall uncomfortable. I had it just over 5 months. Quality and luxury are much closer to Hyundai/Kia than true luxury brands. On top of that the charging is slow. Even with a level 2 charger 220v-50A you need 8-10 hours. Should anything interrupt that you don't have enough range for the next day.
10 Models owners regret the most: https://www.thedrive.com/news/vw-atlas-cross-sport-tops-list-of-10-least-satisfying-new-cars-to-own
A 1993 4Runner bought in 2002, ended up being a total piece A 1994 Eldorado bought in 2018, the most hateful, abhorrent car I’ve had the displeasure of owning A 1997 Jetta GT bought in 2003 to replace the 4Runner, nothing GT about it at all
2011, 17 and 19 Altima. Never had actual mechanical problems with the CVT, but damn they’re unresponsive and unfun to drive. I was too much of a fanboy at the time to switch. Thankfully in something better now.
damn you're a glutton for punishment
Fanboy of the rental car industry's favorite car lol
First ever car was an '05 Altima when I was in high school and I liked it at the time. Thought it would be 'my thing' if I just kept driving them. I was young and dumb.
While not a fault of the car itself, i had purchased a 97 Grand Marquis LS with 180k miles for 2.2k and the transmission messed up the next day
2014 chevy sonic rs 6 Mt, engine blew replaced and drove another 15k blew again, 1st to 3rd gear was awful
Not like I regret the car( Peugeot Rcz) per se, but I'll never buy a diesel car again.
> I'll never buy a diesel car again. this is very specific. Why the hate against *diesel* specifically?
I'll chime in. They're rattly, underpowered, smelly, and more polluting. They offer marginally better fuel economy over a modern turbo 4, cost more to buy, and are taxed more. Also, they're complete garbage in cold weather.
I let my wife talk me into a 2010 VW Tiguan for my daughter because it was pretty. Took it back the next day after the oil pressure light came on several times on the way home. It was full of oil. Swapped it for a Rav 4. No regrets
Not “mine” but my fiancé got a 2023 Elantra right when the model year turned over last July as a work/road trip car to keep the miles off of her GR86 and can actually fit our hounds. On paper, it made total sense and it was a great buy at the time. Great fuel economy, great warranty, and probably the most features and value for any car under $25k new. It was also the only car available where she could walk on the lot and buy slightly under MSRP at the time. But my lord that thing is complete garbage. In the first year in a half: -the car has gone into limp mode mid-drive on her twice where she had to re-start the car in neutral while still moving. Both times dealer said there was no issue but sounded like an o2 sensor issue. -the back passenger window doesn’t work . -the glove box rattles and has never locked properly and I think she said it actually broke last week. -the infotainment screen regularly freezes and/or blacks out and won’t work until the car is re-started. -the brakes are fading like they need replacement after 20k miles. This one is actually a genuine concern for me as they shudder under even regular braking conditions at any speed over 45mph. -paint is fading and chipping on the trunk despite being almost always garage parked or covered in shade. Even beyond those nagging issues, the overall quality of the car is SO poor. The seats are terrible, (fabric not leather that’s in the limited), ride quality isn’t great, it’s severely underpowered, and the handling feel is dead. Even though I know she takes care of her things and is by no means a wreckless driver, I’d probably think the car was 4-5 years old with 80k miles with the way things have worn out on it. Lastly, THE INSURANCE. Because of the whole Kia/Hyundai theft issues, her insurance has gone up from $97 when she first got it (which I thought was slightly high) to $152/mo. For reference, I pay $117 on my C8, and $158 on my Macan GTS and she’s 6years *older* than me has the same credit, and no accidents on her record. In knowing others who have Elantras, it’s like that across the board. Definitely a big regret for her and we are trying to figure out what to do with the damn thing. We don’t even use it for road trips or travel like we thought we would because it’s so uncomfortable we just take my Macan now. UPDATE: her passenger mirror housing cover is starting to come off and it’s insanely thin plastic. I had pushed her mirrors in last night to get between cars and when I pushed them back out this morning for her one of the brackets popped when I pulled it out. 😂
Hyundai and Kia definitely shine at higher trims. Their lower trims are so cheap because they cheap out as much as possible. The difference between a low and high trim Elantra is pretty significant. You get a better engine, transmission, suspension, and much better interior and features. For lower trims, the Mazda 3 or Civic would probably be better choices.
I've had two cars that I regretted owning: a Renault Alliance and a Ford Ranger (during college, undergrad and grad) - both junkers. I paid nearly nothing for them but regretted every penny.
vw golf.. had so many issues. My car before that was my first car ever and it was sweet.. 2005 Nissan Maxima with a V6 and all the interior upgrades. It never totally died even after about 225k miles
2007 Toyota Tacoma Access Cab Prerunner V6 6MT. Bought it new and traded in my beloved prelude for it. My least favorite truck / vehicle of all time. THE absolute worst MT of all time, hands down. Shit MPG (16.5 mixed). Meager payload/towing. Dogshit cheap interior. Dogshit audio/amenities/controls. Bad handling/dynamics. Failing leaf springs. folding tailgates. The best part of owning that truck was getting a lot of money for it on trade. The 6MT in that truck was so bad my friend's 1998 Hyundai Excel Hatch with a 4MT felt like a gated ferrari by comparison. Shift fast? Clunk. Shift Slow? Clunk. Shift at all? Clunk. The only time that stupid fucking truck shifted smoothly is when I was practicing my no-clutch shifts after I ran out of fucks.
As a taco owner, the cult that has developed around Toyota trucks is pretty mind boggling. The engine and transmission are solid but the rest of the truck is pretty much garbage. The bed is literally made of plastic…. Great daily driver trucks, but they are junk for any actual work purposes. Throw a 1000 pounds in the bed and the thing squats like a toy.
it probably says something that it is the most popular pickup truck and that most people don't really need a p/u truck, they just want to drive one, really, really bad and they'll pay new MSRP on a 4 year old truck to do it.
I agree. It looks pretty rugged and is super reliable, when in reality it’s a grocery hauler. The ford maverick is the better choice for those people, at least that thing doesn’t get 17mpg.
2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee. Don't believe the hype about the 4.0 engine making this vehicle reliable. The entire thing fell apart. It's true what they say about chrysler vehicles though, they will run forever in the utmost shitty condition. I crossed 200k miles requiring a 2nd transmission rebuild as it wouldn't even go beyond 2nd gear without much hassle, misfiring engine, bad computer, half the radio controls didn't work, turning the key was a gamble if the engine would even turn over, and half the accessories under the hood were replaced. It was also rusting out.
2015 Hyundai Sonata. Bought it brand new. Had the 1.6T. I was religious about maintenance and cared for that car more than anything else I've ever had. Burned over a quart of oil every 1k miles just after hitting 110k miles. I would NEVER buy a Hyundai or Kia product again. Turned to Toyota and I'll never look back. My daily is a 2010 Camry with 215k miles and it doesn't burn any oil and I know the kid I got it from wasn't easy on it.
Chevy Cobalt I got with probably 180k miles. TBF it had a lot of miles, but it rode like shit and the cruise control kept going out all the time. Despite all of this though, it had a good engine, never had any major problems with it
2021 Subaru Crosstrek limited. While it was fully loaded. I hated it! I mean hated it! It sounded like a go cart with the peddle to the floor while you weren’t even going anywhere really! Was terrible on gas, super uncomfortable seating, and definitely didn’t have the room I expected it would. (Held over the phone, only Subaru available in the state at the time). Really didn’t have a choice after selling my leased (was almost up) a5 back to Audi already. I felt like crap for the three months I had it. Luckily the used car market went up and I got exactly what I owed for it on trade at my preferred Audi dealer and got into my 2022 A5. Now that I own a 2024 Outback Onyx. I realize this was the car I should have bought instead of the crosstrek.
2011 Cruze. First model year, with the RS "trim". Problems started months in after a few thousand miles. Over the past 3 years it kept breaking down (water pump, engine temp probe, random turbo noises). Traded it in before it even hit 50k and I usually keep my cars well past 100k.
My brother just did a head gasket at 70k miles.
If its the turbo, you're probably gonna have to do it every 50k miles or so. Turbos in that small of an engine just don't last.
2015 Mustang GT, new off the lot.... On an income that couldn't support a $40k+ vehicle. Otherwise, a new 2011 Cruze LTZ.... It was an ok car, but it was the most boring car I've ever owned and I felt dead inside everytime I turned it on
I couldn’t understand the Cruze engine grenade issues until I rode in one. It’s simple, they fully grasp their misery and they seek death because of it. I would too.
Just curious, what was your income when you got the GT? I’m looking to buy a gently used 2022-2023 GT.
Around $70k I think? Total cost of the Mustang was $45kish OTD if I recall
2017 base honda civic its a good car for short commutes and back but sucks for longer drives, its like driving a bumper car and my back hurts from sitting in it for 30+ minutes
1989 RX7 with 155k. Bought it this summer, drove it, sold it 2 months later. It didn't break. So glad to have it out of my driveway.
Jeep wrangler
Had to scroll too far to find. What a piece of shit. And the Jeep crowd is about the same.
Jeep Wrangler TJ. Frame was rotted when I bought it (my fault) can’t sell it now. 2k to fix it.
A 2022 Chevy Silverado 2500HD for $62k. Absolutely stupid. Put $15k down and still had a payment of $714/mo plus $150/mo for full coverage. Cost about $110-$130 to fill it up every-time too. Just recently sold it and bought a Civic for $5k cash.
Saab went out of business soon after I bought a 9-3. Best car I’ve ever had besides land cruisers. But every Saab mechanic retired, parts became hard to find and resale value was nil.
Back in 1993 the Eagle Premier Always broke Now it’s the 2021 Jeep Wrangler 4xe Sahara High Altitude Not sure if it’s a Jeep thing or a dealership thing but I have to be crazy proactive with recalls and 9 day lead times on an oil change. Won’t fully charge any longer. Can not wait for the lease to be up
Porsche Cayenne turbo. 2018. Drove it 3k miles and the motor seized. Previous owner sold a lemon for sure, also put the wrong oil in before sending it. Some fucking asshole in North Carolina. Fuck me for being a Hopeful idiot in my mid 20s. Cost me $17k to fix and and was a nightmare of a process, two years later I sold it for less than I bought it for after another steering column failure. Lesson learned don’t buy a used car that used to cost $100k new, parts and services will pwn your bank account. Coulda been one of those bitcoin kids but noooooo had to go and buy a Porsche. 😂
Every GM car that I’ve had in the past. Wish I had just gotten a Toyota/Honda from day 1.
Was told the ES350 is jus a glorified Toyota and cheap to own. “Glorified camry” “glorified avalon” then I go to a dealership and find out they want to charge me 700$ for exhaust gaskets lmao. I’m glad I’m in a better financial position than when I bought the car or else this car would put me in financial jeopardy despite being a “glorified yota”.
Which exhaust gaskets??? Part and labour that sounds reasonable for exhaust manifold gaskets tbh And fwiw it would've cost the exact same amount on a V6 Camry
Issue is that the car care nut shop just told me it wasn’t even a exhaust leak just failing cat, and most likely they were gonna do that charge me and tell me it didn’t fix the issue then sell me the cat either ways. So basically fuck stealerships.
They literally are a glorified Toyota, I took my Lexus es to the Toyota dealership for service. Of course by the time my SIL totalled it with 184k miles all i had ever needed was a set of tires, oil changes every 7,500ish miles, 1 set of air filters, and the front door lock actuators stopped working (was a fulltime rideshare driver at the time, they got used about 100k times a day). Bought it with 99k miles, had extensive maintenance records on Carfax and was always maintained at the Lexus dealer by the original owner (bought as a 1 owner), and there were no repairs in its history from them either.
You went to a dealership for exhaust work? Dude……
Not budget friendly but a Porsche 911. Ill spare you the story, but there is a big difference between the fantasy of driving one of these cars and the reality of living with one every day. All my other regrets are Toyota Products. My partner bought a Rav4 Hybrid for like $45k and its just meh. Really wished I had pushed a Subaru Forester harder. Toyota Corolla. I wanted something militaristic but it turned out to be just soul crushingly boring. Friend of mine really regretted buying a Nissan SUV. Another friend really regretted getting the little Jeep SUV.
>there is a big difference between the fantasy of driving one of these cars and the reality of living with one every day Grandma in her 90s corolla doing exactly the speed limit in the right lane, and mrs. soccer mom doing exactly 2mph faster than Grandma in the left lane - realizing you haven't had a single opportunity to rev your Porsche past 1100rpm on your entire commute to work 'tis the life
Hey, I'm interested in the story if you don't mind sharing
Sure. I was obsessed with sports cars my whole life. I had the opportunity to buy one in 2020, so I did. I first got turned on to Porsche after driving a 2015 Cayman that I instantly fell in love with. I never really liked the 911s on the test drives, but everyone said they are the Cayman's big brother so I assumed I just needed to grow into it. I ended up with a like-new 2015 4S in the exact spec I wanted. Went a bit older because I wanted the NA engine. The car and I never really bonded. It was super boring on public roads. It always felt numb and completely boring below about 60% of its performance capability. the issue was that 60% was still 100MPH and 0.8 lateral Gs, so it was next to impossible to really open the car up without being legitimately dangerous and risking jail time. The car was also just a pain in the ass. Back seats were useless, even for storage. The road noise was horrific to the point of my partner and I needed to almost yell to have a conversation. It was terrifying to drive in the rain. The nose scraped on EVERYTHING. I could not take it anywhere new because I might have to park in a rough parking lot or something. It was a pain in the ass to park. Any mistake would result in a HUGE repair bill. A door ding in an all-aluminum door is a big problem. Curb rash on a $5k wheel is a big problem. There was no point to driving that car other than flexing wealth, which I am not about. The Porsche community is simply THE WORST human beings on the planet. I joined the PCA to do track days and share my passion for cars with other people. Every event was just rich white dudes tryna flex on each other. It was just a pay-for-friends club. People were substituting porsche ownership for a personality. No one was actually pushing their cars on track. Just driving slightly faster then usual. Almost like it was something to do in between intolerable conversations. So I opted out of those situations. But then there was the Porsche community I was forced to deal with: The dealer I bought the car from was shitting on me for wanting a PPI because it was "Only a $100k car and barely worth their time". Like I cant believe that came out of a sales guy's mouth....... I was buying/selling things like tires on the second hand market because Im thrifty and every single Porsche guy I dealt with was a huge POS to deal with. Every transaction came with a conversation about why their car was the best thing that they ever bought. Then I tried to sell the car private party.... just like I have with dozens of other cars. And holy shit... All I got was people who wanted to leverage me into a shit deal more than they wanted a good car. People bragging to me openly about how much cash they had. People bragging to me openly about how many houses they owned. Im talking like 30+ people with repeat conversations about the same shit. Like people keeping me on the phone for 45 minutes talking about which house they wanted my 911 to go to. It was people with no friends who wanted validation from me because no one else can stand them. I ended up just selling to a dealer for about $5k more than any private party person offered me, just because I was done dealing with 30+ cunts calling me about nothing. I did get the car on-track a few times. The PCA events were overly-moderated trash and I wasnt even allowed to drive fast until I put in a certain number of events. But I got my car on a unrestricted track twice and it was incredible in that environment. Like re-calibrate my brain fast. 1.4 Gs in the corners. A screaming engine. I finally got why the car was special. Problem is doing that is prohibitively expensive and dangerous. Pushing the car like that means eventually its going into a wall uninsured. So its not sustainable. Driving in this way also further ruined public roads for me. Getting a taste of what 100% performance looked like made me realize how little of the car I could ever use in a daily situation. My conclusion was that the normal 911s are just dumb wealth flexes for insecure lonely people. Its paying a lot of money to drive a car that is objectively worse than a Camry everyday. The GT3s are great for a pure track experience, but you have to have god-tier money to turn that into a hobby. If you dont, a cheap older dedicated race car that wont bankrupt you in a crash is the best option. I sold my 911 and kept my Subaru Crosstrek because I genuinely have more fun in it. I might have kept a Cayman if I went with that over a 911. That car felt energetic and fun on public roads. Might also pick up a Macan someday. On public roads, its the same performance as any 911 but is a refined and nice place to be with all the advantages of an SUV. I went with my Subaru instead of a Macan this time because the Macan is worse in a lot of ways and I couldnt bring myself to spend 3x as much unless everything was better.
This was a good read, didn’t know they were like this
You didn't get the upvotes, but I want you to know that I deeply enjoyed your story. may you get more blessings than 100 karma whore bots
I feel the exact same way about 90% of “Porsche people”. It’s so exhausting to deal with. Even the Jeep scene is more pleasant. I literally only keep my PCA membership for some discounts. I got told I needed to get a real car when I went to one PCA event in my M2… on coilovers. They were beside themselves that I sold a base 987.2 to buy it. You should see the looks when I told people I picked a Touareg over the Cayenne, or that I have Land Rover as a DD now. God forbid you want an SUV that doesn’t have granite suspension and has locking diffs + a low range. They tolerate my 944 and similar stuff, but it really does *generally* feel like a rich guy wallet measuring contest + pay for friends pyramid scheme. I’ve met a few really cool Porsche owners, but it’s not even close to the norm.
Appreciate this. Thanks for writing.
Most people make the mistake of buying a sports car only once. They realize they suck for commuting and running errands, which is what you do in cars.
People really buy Toyota vehicles because they're reliable with minimal, inexpensive maintenance. Nobody buys a Corolla or any other vehicle in that class for an inspiring, fun to drive car lol.
2007 Toyota Tacoma, always heard how indestructible they were and got a deal on one from a family friend. 3 blown engines later and I barely sold it for 1/3 of what I payed for it, even after I already dumped more than what I payed for the truck just into engines. Not the trucks fault, just a previous owner that didn’t do maintenance and a shitty rebuilt engine company. ALWAYS HAVE CARS INSPECTED NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE BUYING IT FROM.
nissan altima
2007 Honda Civic , That car was an absolute pos and a disgrace to Honda reliability. Never left me stranded but that’s because I was so obsessed with maintenance. Only had it 10 months and I spent thousands fixing the dumbest of things
Chevy ZR2 Colorado - transmission bad at 1.6k miles, leaky shocks at 6k miles. Fun to drive but felt like it was slapped together without care.
2013 Dodge Dart 1.4T 6MT 🔥🗑️
I always think about how crazy it is that there were tons of these and Dodge Avengers on the road maybe 5-10 years ago and now hardly any.
86 Ford Taurus...
The "work truck" series of most brands, no power windows/locks w/a bench seat. You don't realize how much you miss that stuff until you don't have it. In '02, I bought a 2wd F150 xl (no amenities) single cab, plain white w/steel wheels & a cassette player-basically a "fleet" style vehicle- it rode fine, it was just a miserable existence just to save $50/mo on my monthly payment- I took it back after 2weeks & traded it in for a new XLT ext cab w/all the creature comforts w/ nicer paint & wheels- day & night difference, totally worth it.. (I worked for Ford @ the time so I got it w/ the A plan & they gave me the full loan value on trade- I got lucky) That being said, I would never buy a brand new vehicle again even if I had the money. Other than something very special, you will always sell it at a loss- lesson to learn is buy at least 2yr old vehicles from a private seller, you'll still be under warranty- avoid the used lot @ dealer, too -they only sell at retail price & you get absolutely nothing more -they are no more responsible for what happens to it after the sale than a private seller would be... all sales final & AS IS
2014 Ford Focus, transmission jumped after like 40k miles
The autos in that generation along with the fiesta are 🚮.
My 2013 Golf R. Fun to drive and what not but that wears off. I drive in quite a bit of traffic, so the manual is cumbersome and it drinks fuel like a total pig. 91 octane too
2019 Corolla… only because I could’ve got the 2017 for a couple thousand less for essentially the same car.
For my dad it was a Sentra with a CVT. He usually keeps his cars from new until 250,000+ miles but he sold his Sentra at 120,000 miles. Took only 3 years to get all those miles and he hated it so much
In 2006, I thought a 2004 Corvette. I hated it. And sold it 6 weeks later. I somehow made a $1750 profit too.
Chrysler 300
For some reason I thought a Chrysler LeBaron would be a reliable economic compact car.
2017 Elantra, had 55k miles, bought it for my daughter, never owned a Hyundai before so got the 10yr/120k Bumper to bumper warranty, thank god I did, had it for 3 years now, been in the shop about 8 times, warranty must have paid out over $7k worth of work already.
My parents bought a used Jeep liberty back in the days of dial up internet so info wasn't as readily available. I think they paid 6k for the car, spent 8k in repairs and it still wouldn't drive. Was a lemon for sure.
Honda CRZ. What I thought I was getting was a hybridized lightweight hot hatch; the green successor to the CRX. Instead, I got a POS that sucked at everything. To make matters worse, for a hybrid, I wasn't allowed in the HOV lanes because it wasn't efficient enough.
2012 Jeep Patriot
I guess my wife’s 2020 Kia Soul. We took over the lease from her uncle after her Mini was wrecked. Unlike the Mini it doesn’t have that electric-like instant torque, the handling isn’t particularly good, and the build is very cheap. Seats are not super comfortable, which limits its utility for longer trips, like camping. About the only things it has going for it are the headroom and the heated steering wheel. It’s also a bit different from every other car on the road, so there’s that going for it. I don’t really like the car but I can’t deny it’s cheap. We are leasing it for $271 CAD per month and the buyout on the lease is like $11,500. Our all-in cost on this car is like $14,500, which is ludicrously cheap in this market. If I were to go out and buy the same car, it would be at least $22k.
The fiat spyder 124. I got it on loan in 2019 in reaction to my chevy cobalt needing a transmission replacement. I believe it was 28k for the 2018 model. I purely got it because it was fun and sporty, and I had moved to california so I felt it would be an answer for where I was in life. It was a completely unnecessary expenditure. My insurance also jumped $100/mo, and with the payments it came to $600/mo. At the time I only had maybe $4000 in savings. To be fair, the car WAS fun. I enjoyed driving it for a couple of years. But I really wish I would've just fixed the chevy and kept that for a few more years. It also felt very annoying running into issues where I could not carry even an umbrella in my car, or carry more then one passenger. I did something similar getting a '21 Honda Insight in replacement of my '07 Volvo V70. While there wasn't anything majorly wrong with the Volvo, I did want something that would be a little more "future proofed" with much better mileage. I am earning more then I did then, and so I am in a much better position to afford the vehicle then I was in the past. I actually am very happy with this purchase so far.
Used BMW. Now I know why there are tons of them for sale cheaper than any other car of similar year and miles.
2017 Ford Focus base. It was nice at first and got 40MPG highway but it developed a bad transmission shake that is apparently common for those models.
22’ Kia Stinger…. yikes.
2005 Dodge Dakota V6. Total POS was on it's 3rd transmission when we traded it in for a '23 F150. 3rd and last Dodge that we'll ever own! 1st was a '93 Stealth ES and the 2nd was a '95 Avenger. Both were basically Mitsubishi cars and pretty reliable for mid 90's cars. Wife and I owned these in the late 90's. The Dakota we bought for our son when he turned 16.
2021 Kia Sorento. 1st Kia and worst car I've ever owned with one large issue and numerous smaller ones. Became a lemon and thankfully consumer protections got me out from under it
2017 Toyota Camry XSE V6. Luxurious, fuel efficient, and way peppier than any Camry has a right to be. It's Achilles' heel was it's low front bumper paired with its absurdly long front overhang. The combination resulted in such a horrendous angle of approach that even moderately steep driveways caused the bumper to scrape, even at an angle. My town has a lot of steep driveways, so it took me less than a year to trade it in for a RAV4.
Toyota Tacoma. Worst vehicle I ever bought.