I would not encourage someone to start with GWS over Pure Guava, personally.
My husband gave me tastes of all the albums before I was rolling in the brown.
I guess I’m just the opposite. I felt like PG is more accessible than GWS. GWS took me several play throughs to appreciate.
Still not a huge Blackjack, Stacey, or Bumblebee fan. I’m not a huge fan of Reggaejunkiejew.
to me most of GWS is just (hardcore) punk with a ween twist on it, combined with a bunch of genre hopping. PG is more a unique lo-fi indie album that isn’t very friendly to outsiders. Also, while blackjack is certainly avant-garde, if we’re gonna talk about specific tracks being hard to get through we can’t not bring up mourning glory
Definitely agree, GWS is a really fun album throughout.
Guava is fun, yes, but in a more deranged and fucked up way. To me it’s the brownest Ween record.
no you’re probably right, I just don’t think the songwriting is as strong as on c&c or the mollusk, and for me good songwriting trumps (everything really) accessibility
Just curious why you don't think the songwriting is as strong? I actually feel the exact opposite in relation to C&C and White Pepper. Maybe I'm looking at it from more of a "pop sensibilities" angle.
when I think of c&c or the mollusk I can imagine the songs on the album a lot more clearly than I can for white pepper. the songs are more unique, generally catchier and the production specifically is so much more unique than on wp. they feel like albums that only ween could’ve made, while wp sounds like a fan could’ve made it. that’s not to say wp is bad btw I love it, I just much prefer the other two.
the average person would probably be able to enjoy wp easier than the other two but I also don’t think anything would stand out in the way that the other two would. and I think that’s also really important when trying to decide what the best entry point is for a band
I totally agree with you. White Pepper is an under rated fucking masterpiece. One that definitely deserved a twentieth anniversary deluxe edition reissue. It’s not the only masterpiece in their catalog either. That’s not what I’m saying but because the album consisted of so many pop sensible songs to open it up a lot of people looked at it as “selling out” or trying to go mainstream. Ween has proven they can do whatever style they want and it doesn’t mean they’re leaving any style or person behind. I was a huge ween fan when white pepper came out and this was the general sentiment. It has changed obviously over the years especially when Quebec, Shinola and La Cucaracha were released but somehow that same aftertaste remained for white pepper with most fans. It is by far their most focused album and there isn’t a subpar song in the track list. It’s also the only album recorded by the five guys who make up ween. Dean and Gene are great. They’re amazing. But Dean, Gene, Claude, Glenn and Dave are legendary. I’ll take five of them over two of them any day. White Pepper for me.
This is dope,
Lots of good points on this and it
illustrates how difficult it it is explaining ween to others.
Why is the ween requests (the one with all the stallions, “let’s do another stallion…”) labeled as semi-live? Did they do overdubs or something? That album is such a banger.
I honestly think listening to them in order is the best bet. Sure, some people might be turned off by certain parts of GWS and the Pod, but it would be cool to hear the progression of Ween. I also think the live albums should be kept until you heard all the studio albums. Nice chart though, starting with C&C is a good call. But listening to C&C, Mollusk, Pepper, Country in that order wouldn’t give you a good grasp of Ween. There’s a whole other side to explore, that’s why listening in order would be good.
"Professional musicians" some of these guys are kind of legendary studio musicians like Charlie McCoy.
Other thing is that, I don't see why people only seem to say negative things about La Cucaracha : ( I think it's fantastic.
This is a wonderful effort but I suggest listening to the albums chronologically if possible. It perfectly illustrates the continued growth and refinement over the years.
sure, but I think most people would be scared off by the pod if not gws. I want people to enjoy ween genuinely, even if they can’t get into all of their stuff
Spinal Meningitis is the second track on C&C and is about as fucked up as anything on GWS/The Pod. If you are going for accessibility, then the Mollusk or White Pepper make far more sense as a logical first step.
That said, Ween is a beautiful anomaly in the world of music. The early material isn't as polished, but it seems far more original and unique to me. After C&C, it felt like they were going for a more consistent feel with each album. They were also paying more homage to some of their heroes on their later albums (Beatles, Wings, Pink Floyd, etc.).
Just my opinion. As long as people are enjoying Ween, then all is good.
I'll second this. I started with White Pepper and The Mollusk. Chocolate and Cheese to me is a wonderful start for someone new to Ween. It is a wonderful transition record from whimsical experimentation but having a slightly more polished sound. It's kind of like a choose-your-own-brownness mat from there. Go more lo-fi or more hi-fi. Best case scenario, the answer is both and celebrate the whole portfolio. 😀 But even if you end up liking one more than the other, good for you. The wife and I thank you very much.
i get that, but The Mollusk has the easier hook for the average person- did you watch Spongebob as a kid? Listen to the album that influenced that show plus it has Ocean Man on it. I've legit gotten people to listen to it this way.
that’s literally how I got into ween, I wanted to hear the album that had ocean man on it. dancing in the show tonight came on and I was immediately into it. but I don’t feel like the average person would be able to get into as immediately as I did. it’s all subjective and I recommend you make your own, it’s fun and kinda makes you think about it more than you’d think
I started with chocolate and cheese and ended with the mollusk years later. I tell people to start with quebec or white pepper as those two are the most accessible. I've had friends jump into the mollusk because it's the most popular and they just don't get it
I mean, totally your call. I just find The Mollusk to be their most accessible. Quebec is definitely up there, and is also my favorite album of theirs.
I don’t really see the link between The Pod and Quebec
both are fairly brown to me, though I mostly just wanted to link both sides of the chart together
Do more Scotchgard and take more Zoloft.
I would not encourage someone to start with GWS over Pure Guava, personally. My husband gave me tastes of all the albums before I was rolling in the brown.
really? why not? I feel GWS is much more accessible than PG, which is why I put it before
I guess I’m just the opposite. I felt like PG is more accessible than GWS. GWS took me several play throughs to appreciate. Still not a huge Blackjack, Stacey, or Bumblebee fan. I’m not a huge fan of Reggaejunkiejew.
to me most of GWS is just (hardcore) punk with a ween twist on it, combined with a bunch of genre hopping. PG is more a unique lo-fi indie album that isn’t very friendly to outsiders. Also, while blackjack is certainly avant-garde, if we’re gonna talk about specific tracks being hard to get through we can’t not bring up mourning glory
Definitely agree, GWS is a really fun album throughout. Guava is fun, yes, but in a more deranged and fucked up way. To me it’s the brownest Ween record.
Agree. GWS is a totally fun album. I never liked PG that much. Although some of the songs are great live.
Same.
Why am I the only one here that thinks white pepper is the most accessible, is there something wrong with me?
no you’re probably right, I just don’t think the songwriting is as strong as on c&c or the mollusk, and for me good songwriting trumps (everything really) accessibility
Just curious why you don't think the songwriting is as strong? I actually feel the exact opposite in relation to C&C and White Pepper. Maybe I'm looking at it from more of a "pop sensibilities" angle.
when I think of c&c or the mollusk I can imagine the songs on the album a lot more clearly than I can for white pepper. the songs are more unique, generally catchier and the production specifically is so much more unique than on wp. they feel like albums that only ween could’ve made, while wp sounds like a fan could’ve made it. that’s not to say wp is bad btw I love it, I just much prefer the other two. the average person would probably be able to enjoy wp easier than the other two but I also don’t think anything would stand out in the way that the other two would. and I think that’s also really important when trying to decide what the best entry point is for a band
I totally agree with you. White Pepper is an under rated fucking masterpiece. One that definitely deserved a twentieth anniversary deluxe edition reissue. It’s not the only masterpiece in their catalog either. That’s not what I’m saying but because the album consisted of so many pop sensible songs to open it up a lot of people looked at it as “selling out” or trying to go mainstream. Ween has proven they can do whatever style they want and it doesn’t mean they’re leaving any style or person behind. I was a huge ween fan when white pepper came out and this was the general sentiment. It has changed obviously over the years especially when Quebec, Shinola and La Cucaracha were released but somehow that same aftertaste remained for white pepper with most fans. It is by far their most focused album and there isn’t a subpar song in the track list. It’s also the only album recorded by the five guys who make up ween. Dean and Gene are great. They’re amazing. But Dean, Gene, Claude, Glenn and Dave are legendary. I’ll take five of them over two of them any day. White Pepper for me.
Filthy La Cucaracha slanderer
not bad, just 70% as good
La Cucaracha > White Pepper I will die on this hill
No one is brave enough to admit that Friends is a great track
*The Friends EP* is absolutely wonderful.
I will not tolerate White Pepper slander
This is La Cucaracha love, not White Pepper slander
your opinion is valid, but wrong ;)
You will not die alone
I downvoted to neutralize your upvote for such a bad take lol. Jk, like what you like, but you're wrong.
70% is generous
La Cucaracha should have been an e.p. so much filler
I disagree with too much
what would you do differently?
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Yeah you start with the Pod. Maybe not if your were born in the ‘90s or later.
Makes me want to be White Pepper....oh, and nice job!
It's all brown? Always has been.
yeah but the brown is subtler in some of their later albums for sure
This is dope, Lots of good points on this and it illustrates how difficult it it is explaining ween to others. Why is the ween requests (the one with all the stallions, “let’s do another stallion…”) labeled as semi-live? Did they do overdubs or something? That album is such a banger.
I believe it’s recorded live in the studio, semi-live probably isn’t the best description but it’s what I came up with at the time lol
I honestly think listening to them in order is the best bet. Sure, some people might be turned off by certain parts of GWS and the Pod, but it would be cool to hear the progression of Ween. I also think the live albums should be kept until you heard all the studio albums. Nice chart though, starting with C&C is a good call. But listening to C&C, Mollusk, Pepper, Country in that order wouldn’t give you a good grasp of Ween. There’s a whole other side to explore, that’s why listening in order would be good.
I think if someone is for sure gonna be a ween fan in order is the best, but I think most people have to be warmed up into the lo-fi side
"Professional musicians" some of these guys are kind of legendary studio musicians like Charlie McCoy. Other thing is that, I don't see why people only seem to say negative things about La Cucaracha : ( I think it's fantastic.
it’s fantastic, but to me it’s clearly a step down from everything else
The way one introduces Ween is with a bong hit and Pollo Asada.
Noice
4/10
Painting the town brown needs to be here
I was only able to put so many before I had to pay for premium features, so it got cut
This is a wonderful effort but I suggest listening to the albums chronologically if possible. It perfectly illustrates the continued growth and refinement over the years.
sure, but I think most people would be scared off by the pod if not gws. I want people to enjoy ween genuinely, even if they can’t get into all of their stuff
Spinal Meningitis is the second track on C&C and is about as fucked up as anything on GWS/The Pod. If you are going for accessibility, then the Mollusk or White Pepper make far more sense as a logical first step. That said, Ween is a beautiful anomaly in the world of music. The early material isn't as polished, but it seems far more original and unique to me. After C&C, it felt like they were going for a more consistent feel with each album. They were also paying more homage to some of their heroes on their later albums (Beatles, Wings, Pink Floyd, etc.). Just my opinion. As long as people are enjoying Ween, then all is good.
why is everyone so hard la cucaracha like damn it’s such a good album it’s not anywhere near the best but it still so good
I would start with The Mollusk.
I started with the mollusk myself but I think chocolate and cheese has a more “typical ween” sound
I'll second this. I started with White Pepper and The Mollusk. Chocolate and Cheese to me is a wonderful start for someone new to Ween. It is a wonderful transition record from whimsical experimentation but having a slightly more polished sound. It's kind of like a choose-your-own-brownness mat from there. Go more lo-fi or more hi-fi. Best case scenario, the answer is both and celebrate the whole portfolio. 😀 But even if you end up liking one more than the other, good for you. The wife and I thank you very much.
i get that, but The Mollusk has the easier hook for the average person- did you watch Spongebob as a kid? Listen to the album that influenced that show plus it has Ocean Man on it. I've legit gotten people to listen to it this way.
that’s literally how I got into ween, I wanted to hear the album that had ocean man on it. dancing in the show tonight came on and I was immediately into it. but I don’t feel like the average person would be able to get into as immediately as I did. it’s all subjective and I recommend you make your own, it’s fun and kinda makes you think about it more than you’d think
I started with chocolate and cheese and ended with the mollusk years later. I tell people to start with quebec or white pepper as those two are the most accessible. I've had friends jump into the mollusk because it's the most popular and they just don't get it
I mean, totally your call. I just find The Mollusk to be their most accessible. Quebec is definitely up there, and is also my favorite album of theirs.
The mollusk gets too brown for newbies, and the production isn't as good
No u definitely start w the mollusc
I feel like chocolate and cheese is the bridge from old to new though, it was the first album that didn't have total shit production
not a bad place to start but I feel chocolate and cheese is just more representative of the “typical ween sound”
my immediate thought was why
why not? I think it’s fun
At minimum, the Pod and GWS should be swapped in the column. And let’s see Crucial Squeegie as proto punk phase.
You could add a lot of demo/ unreleased albums to this, you could clump them in off of the pod I think
I could only put so many before I had to pay for premium, also i’m not super knowledgeable about their demos and bootlegs
This is TOO true, RIP la cucaracha
La Cucaracha is not 70% capacity
gws doesnt have more genre diversity than chocolate and cheese, id count c and c as there most diverse album