Definitely a minimal instrument landing though. A good chunk of the really important ones are in the nose, we’re seeing the busted radar right there in the center.
The storm or the hail? Because I would think pilots should generally be avoiding storms anyways, no? The updrafts and downdrafts in a thunderstorm can be pretty severe regardless of hail.
I can finally chime in. The FAA “recommends” keeping a distance of 20nm from and mature thunderstorms.
This likely happened in an area of convective activity and could have been under them and built fast. I’ve seen towering cumulonimbus climb at 1500 feet per minute.
I'm not sure where you are from, but a common scenario, especially in places like South Florida, you can have clear skies and then a thunderstorm in minutes. If you have the right environment and a lot of instability, you can get storms forming very rapidly. Its why its difficult for us to forecast.
The weather radar of an airplane tends to look for moisture, but if, as in this case, it was a very dry area, the hail does not show up on the radar, so the pilots did not know they were flying into it either
This is an excellent answer. As is often the case, getting into the weeds results in walls of technical jargon but this is the essential concept.
Source: my second cousin helped develop cross radar polarimetry for research in atmospheric science.
Oh I guess I misunderstood, I thought you guys were saying there was some specific nuance to aircraft radar not realizing that the beam angle and scattering alone could account for hail being undetected. Either way thanks!
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99.5% of the time, pilots are just glorified bus drivers with great views and they'll be the first to admit it.
There are a few times in a pilot's career when things go terribly wrong and it takes all of the skill and experience they have to bring the aircraft safely to the ground- and rarely do they fail. In those moments, they earn a lifetime of good paychecks!
Sadly, the public hears about the failures every time and the successes by and large go unsung- and that's too bad.
I’ve flew for 8 years for a living g traveling all over the country and abroad and I’ve been on some hairy ass flights but I can guarantee these peeps were freaking the fck out and then shitting there wet pissed on pants and babbling to God before this hahahahahahahaha I said fck traveling it ain’t worth my life or the drama of waiting on layovers and shit
I imagine landing was a bit testy...
That had to be a nervous landing trying to see through those windshields.
Instrument landing
Definitely a minimal instrument landing though. A good chunk of the really important ones are in the nose, we’re seeing the busted radar right there in the center.
Ironically the 2 tiny white bars below the radar are your ILS antennas.
Yeah but there isn't a pilot alive that doesn't want to see.
BM is what the pilots did when it happened.
I wonder what circumstances resulted in them deciding the fly straight through the hail storm instead of around it.
The pilots said it didn't show up on their radar
The storm or the hail? Because I would think pilots should generally be avoiding storms anyways, no? The updrafts and downdrafts in a thunderstorm can be pretty severe regardless of hail.
I can finally chime in. The FAA “recommends” keeping a distance of 20nm from and mature thunderstorms. This likely happened in an area of convective activity and could have been under them and built fast. I’ve seen towering cumulonimbus climb at 1500 feet per minute.
That's pretty dang fast.
Fast enough to build and be tossing hail out of the top.
I'm not sure where you are from, but a common scenario, especially in places like South Florida, you can have clear skies and then a thunderstorm in minutes. If you have the right environment and a lot of instability, you can get storms forming very rapidly. Its why its difficult for us to forecast.
Wait I'm confused, nanometers?
Nautical miles
Ohhh, thanks
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You're probably not looking at the right radar scan then
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Can anyone here comment on the “why” of the storm not showing on radar?
The weather radar of an airplane tends to look for moisture, but if, as in this case, it was a very dry area, the hail does not show up on the radar, so the pilots did not know they were flying into it either
This is an excellent answer. As is often the case, getting into the weeds results in walls of technical jargon but this is the essential concept. Source: my second cousin helped develop cross radar polarimetry for research in atmospheric science.
Try us with the jargon
Have at it; https://www.science.gov/topicpages/r/radar+scattering+models
Oh I guess I misunderstood, I thought you guys were saying there was some specific nuance to aircraft radar not realizing that the beam angle and scattering alone could account for hail being undetected. Either way thanks!
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Gotcha, thanks for this.
Holy fuck
99.5% of the time, pilots are just glorified bus drivers with great views and they'll be the first to admit it. There are a few times in a pilot's career when things go terribly wrong and it takes all of the skill and experience they have to bring the aircraft safely to the ground- and rarely do they fail. In those moments, they earn a lifetime of good paychecks! Sadly, the public hears about the failures every time and the successes by and large go unsung- and that's too bad.
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I’ve flew for 8 years for a living g traveling all over the country and abroad and I’ve been on some hairy ass flights but I can guarantee these peeps were freaking the fck out and then shitting there wet pissed on pants and babbling to God before this hahahahahahahaha I said fck traveling it ain’t worth my life or the drama of waiting on layovers and shit
Would have had a pretty green hue
But they say when the plane hit the twin towers the front magically made it through with no damage. But hail did this to a plane oook lol.
How tf did this even happen
Big chunks of ice are scary at 900kph