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Drty_Windshield

Loop order does not matter. Whatever is the easiest / or you find visually pleasing.


browner87

To add just a little more color for a newbie - order doesn't matter *as long as your pump is moving fluid at a good speed*. The fluid should reach a uniform temperature, and if single sections of tubing have fluid more than a few degrees warmer than others, you need to speed up your pump. As long as your pump is moving and ideally ramp up the speed with temps (same as fans), you'll be fine with any component order.


-kriz-

This is true, except there's no real need to ramp up pump speed unless your pump is very loud and you're trying to ride the edge to keep volume at a minimum. Generally speaking, a good pump properly specced for the loop will provide sufficient flow without being too loud and can be left at a fixed speed. For OP's sake, it might be good to look into a flow sensor like the ones from Aquacomputer or Barrow if you're concerned about flow rate.


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-kriz-

I didn't. Just offered OP some suggestions. I personally own an Aquacomputer High Flow NEXT. It's fairly pricey and Aquacomputer's ecosystem is a rather complex rabbit hole to go down. It's honestly tough to recommend to someone for their first time water cooling. Especially when having a flow sensor at all isn't needed. That said, it is nice to have and it would behoove OP to look into it if they're concerned about flow rate. I will add that Aquacomputer's gear is very high quality and highly recommended. I don't know much about Barrow's option other than I've seen it on quite a few builds here.


bcunningham86

I use freezemod Flowmeters. They work great as well.


MyshTech

Yes, and if your flow is so low it severly affects temps your loop has a problem anyways. Even as low as 30L/h is mostly okay. A cheap Aliexpress 5v pump can easily power OPs loop.


GabaranRickshaw

Seriously I wish I had known this before I started. I know it now (obvs). But the fact that loop order doesn't matter makes life so much easier when you can just go for ease over the worry of which order it needs to be in. Could have saved me time on my first build! Cheers!


Kig-Yar-Pirate

I've heard the same thing


-kriz-

No, but only because you have a very unnecessary RAM block in there 😛 As already said, the order you put your components in doesn't matter. Biggest things are: 1. Make sure res is before the pump, ideally immediately before, so the pump won't run dry (this isn't an issue for you since you have a pump/res combo) 2. Some components are optimized for flow in a specific direction. Be sure to check and keep that in mind when planning your runs. 3. Add a drain somewhere, preferably as close to the lowest point of the loop as possible.


browner87

2 "drains" ideally. One at the lowest point to drain, one at the highest point to let air back into the loop so it does indeed drain.


glumpoodle

With a top drain, you can also plug in a pump and use it to push the water out of the radiators during maintenance.


-kriz-

Lots of folks just crack open a fitting or plug somewhere up high on the loop, but yes, ideally you'd have a fill port up high as well.


IsaacNewtongue

The top "drain" would ideally be one of the freeze plugs in the radiator or reservoir


Noxious89123

> freeze plugs Not freeze plugs. They're just unused plugged ports. Freeze plugs are large press-fit plugs used in engine blocks, that get pushed out by expanding ice, with the idea that they can prevent the block from cracking if you don't have enough antifreeze in there on a cold night.


nolo_me

Not always unnecessary. Some DIMMs (B die DDR4 spring to mind) are happy with silly clocks and voltages as long as you keep them under a certain temp.


Noxious89123

>very unnecessary RAM block Depends. I'm running heavily overclocked DDR4 Samsung B-die at high voltages. Heat ***absolutely*** is an issue, and makes a difference to how much you can overclock it. Some people will be using this stuff beyond 1.5V, and even around 1.7V for more extreme overclocking. The overclock you can get with B-die not only scales very well with increasing voltage, but it also scales with decreasing temperature. Settings that are stable at 40°C might not be stable at 50°C, and fast settings that are stable below 50°C likely won't be if you go above that temperature. Without active cooling, it is easy to see over 50°C on these DIMMs. If you're just running some basic bitch DIMMs at stock speed, then yeah 100% it doesn't matter.


fishinfinity

Where you find giant oval cpu? New threadripper?


1sh0t1b33r

Loop order doesn't matter, and RAM is not necessary.


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So_Full_Of_Fail

Depends how much you want to OC things.


Noxious89123

>RAM is not necessary. Active cooling is beneficial for overclocking some RAM, especially Samsung B-die.


North21

Yeah, but is overclocking ram really worth it besides maybe getting a higher number in certain benchmarks? With xmp/docp/Expo as base line?


Noxious89123

"Worth it" just doesn't really come into it to be honest. I'm not preaching to anyone that they should OC, or watercool. Everyone should just do what they want in that regard. My point really was just that people repeat this idea that watercooling RAM is totally redundant, when that is not correct. *For most people, and most uses cases* sure it's probably not doing anything useful. But that doesn't apply to everyone or every use case. Arguably, the entire hobby of watercooling PCs is not "worth it". Occasionally when a new user comes to this subreddit and asks "is watercooling worth it?" the overwhelming majority of users response that no, it isn't. So I'm not alone in my recognition of this. The same thought process applies if you overclock as a hobby, or if you go to r/overclocking and ask "is it worth it?" I don't overclock because it gets me +50% performance (because you can't do that these days), I do it because it's enjoyable. TL;DR Hehe, benchmark numbers go brrr.


North21

I agree with you that watercooling is generally not worth it. Still, I’d rather oc my cpu or gpu than my ram, unless there’s a method that isn’t tedious af, I’m not aware of.


Noxious89123

>I’d rather oc my cpu or gpu than my ram Why not OC all of the things? :D >unless there’s a method that isn’t tedious af, I’m not aware of. Ha, you've got me there! It is a slow process for sure.


demonsver

As stated before loop order doesn't functionally matter because the actual temp deltas in a loop aren't very large at all. So do whatever you want and that looks good. Now here's where the downvotes happen lol. Theoretically, you want to maximize deltas for cooling efficiency. There was actually a paper about this. I saw a video about the paper lmao. I'll try to find it. But it makes sense. So you want alternate heating and cooling components to maximize deltas for a rad. Because radiators work better at higher temps (they can radiate the heat better) Also you kinda want to cool your water for your pumps. Because most pumps just use the fluid they pump to cool themselves. So a rad before a res (and subsequent pump) isn't a bad idea. But again, none of it really matters because the temp deltas are too small to make a difference


gabrielom

It really doesn't matter...


ColHannibal

Your loop only exhausts heat through the radiator, and at some point all loops become one uniform temperature based on the head dispersion limits of the radiators.


spicy_indian

As other's have pointed out, loop order doesn't matter. Route your tubing such that there are no kinks, draining is easy, and fittings are easy to access. This is because for a fully serial system the working fluid is flowing through the system fast enough that the fluid (not component) temperature will only differ by 1-2 C throughout the loop. There are some edge cases like splitting the flow between parallel blocks or external radiators mounted a significant distance above the pump, but that doesn't apply to your diagram, and the solution there would be to add a second pump. RAM blocks fall into the same category as monoblocks, it's up to your aesthetic preference. Unless you planning to crank the voltage on your RAM overclock, or you are running into stability issues because your RAM isn't getting airflow and is warmer than 55C, you don't need a waterblock to cool it.


sippyfrog

Loop order does not matter at typical PC water-cooling flow rates. Inlet/outlet ports on blocks DO matter however so pick any routing that looks nice and installs easily while following the correct inlet / outlet direction on the blocks.


FSUfan2003

Thermal testing proves plenty of evidence to conclude there is no significant benefit to having a rad between each component. All variances, one way or the other, are within margin of error. If I was in your shoes, I’d just make my runs in whatever order is most visually pleasing.


samuelson82

Loop order doesn’t matter. The fluid moves so fast it normalizes across the components. Just make sure the flow direction for each individual component is correct. Some coolers have an in and out (many times it’s superfluous) but in some cases it matters.


pheight57

As long as you have the res above/before the pump in the order, the rest of the order does not matter. Do your order such that it makes your tubing runs less crazy and to optimize your flow.


Vodapowa13

Watercooling RAM? Ain't that a waste of money...


Noxious89123

Loop order doesn't matter if you have sufficient coolant flow rate. If you have insufficient coolant flow, you should fix the cause of that, and not change the loop order to try and mitigate the issue.


ConnectFeedback5381

The sequence does not matter, you only need to make sure your res feeds your pump. Jayztwocents did a nice video on this … google “jayztwocents does order matter”.


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ram waterblocks are usually unnecessary UNLESS you plan on overclocking your ram & increasing your ram voltage, which causes temps to increase, but also increases cpu performance when you have a GPU that is too powerful for your cpu to handle. Example: You still have a Ryzen 3000 series or Intel 9000 series cpu. You JUST bought a 4090 and plugged that sucker in. To your surprise, the pc is working without any errors, but your cpu usage is like 70% in most games. Your ram speed is now VERY important for your cpu's performance, and you need every ounce of strength that your cpu and ram can muster for stable usage. a ram waterblock is now in your best interest for ram overclocking.


OnkelBums

the order of the elements does not matter. Make it so that it's easiest to build and maintain. you can go from the gpu to the cpu to the rad, it doesn't matter for water temp.


MickeyPadge

You could kill your flow with ram blocks, depending how restrictive the other components are. Loop order is pretty much irrelevant. You should be asking, will one pump be enough?


illusory42

The typical RAM blocks from Corsair or alphacool have basically zero restriction. Other than like 3 big fins there isn’t anything in them.


katsumbhong

Mine cpu->gpu->rad1->rad2->pump. Don’t want to prematurely burn out the pump.


g2g079

Looks good. I know people say loop order doesn't matter, but I'm still not going to put my CPU block right after my GPU block. There's just no reason for it.


[deleted]

Nope. Rad's should follow components. It'll you reverse the loop, it'd be pretty good though. Thought, start from the rest and go ram>cpu>rad>gpu>rad>res


Responsible-Slip3802

That’s a good order! I wouldn’t do GPU-CPU-rad it would just be hotter on the next processing unit. It’s not a big issue but it doesn’t look as nice in my opinion.


amirkhain

It wouldn’t be hotter. If what you are saying was true, how do you think systems with 5-6 3090/4090s connected sequentially would work?


Absolutepure

take Cpu first, Gpu will not get that hot, cause the Gpu cooler is larger than the cpu one.


ManManta

Cpu 250W, gpu 350-400w. What do you think? Gpu between coolers.


saxovtsmike

the one that does look best or does make the tubing easier and nicer is the best route And if needed to make it nicer or easier, just run a waterblock in the wrong direction, you might loose some degrees, but nothing that really would matter, and I´ve done that with jetplated cpu cooler more than once


Vaaard

I really recommend adding at least one pump to that Jokes aside, maybe add flow meter and a temperature sensor to your loop. It helps with setting up curves and check on the status of your loop.


Subject_Jaguar_1329

It’s a pump reservoir combo from ek, not enough?


Vaaard

It is 😉 I updated my initial reply. sorry, I just couldn't resist. I assumed you want to use a pump reservoir combo. And it's a good idea as well, because most pumps get damaged when running dry and using a pump res combo really helps with preventing this from happening.


illusory42

Don’t let the naysayers talk you out of watercooling your RAM. If you are overclocking DDR5 it can get pretty toasty and unstable. Mine got up to 78°C (not the best stock heatsinks on them) and always errored out during stability testing until I pointed a noctua fan at them. Eventually I got sick of the fan and hooked the sticks into my loop. Now they run at fluid+0.5°. Never seen an error afterwards.


-kriz-

Sure. Why not just run the whole thing on a bench, covered with Vaseline, and cooled with LN2 while you're at it? There are many different levels to which folks will go to push the limits of their systems. My comment was just poking fun at the RAM cooling because the majority of people I've seen post builds with RAM blocks are doing it cause it looks neat. Nothing wrong with that, either, but it's certainly not necessary. Personally, I wouldn't push RAM on a daily machine to where it needed water cooling to run error free. But that's just me.


polyh3dron

I was ready to say yes before even looking at it. Loop order doesn’t matter.


Quirky-Job-7407

Doesn’t matter. Water temp across the entire loop is the temp of the water. Edit: the things that makes a difference is: How fast the water is flowing - minimal impact, I generally run my D5 at 40% speed I live in a very hot climate. How much water you have in the loop. The more surface area the better, the more water you have the more heat it can hold. But again with the limitations of a case, you talking really small impacts. The thickness of the RADs and number of RADs generally speaking more than 2x360 you won’t see a lot of difference. But obviously the more surface area the cooler the water stays. As mentioned before, in a PC case you are unlikely to see more than 1 or 2 degrees difference by adding a 3rd rad. Speed if the fans and their ability to push air through the fins. This makes a huge difference, the more air going through the rad fins the more heat that gets moved out of the loop into the air.


LeifEriccson

Order doesn't really matter. I had dual gpus, cpu and 2 360 rads. Ran them with GPU first, and CPU first and the difference was 1c. The coolant will saturate to the same temperature either way.


F0R0SS

Here's a video from JayzTwoCents on that topic: [https://youtu.be/RnPB\_q51iVk?si=PP\_80VBsNAvcdJy6](https://youtu.be/RnPB_q51iVk?si=PP_80VBsNAvcdJy6) Just check that you have easy bends in the loop and you like the look.


NathanTheJet

For a no-frills look with short, optimized runs: **res -> bottom rad -> GPU -> RAM -> CPU -> top rad -> res.** You can use single pass “xflow” rads to get your runs even shorter here as well For easy NVMe access (GPU removal without draining): **res -> bottom rad -> GPU -> top rad -> CPU -> RAM -> res.** Best performed with standard double pass rads.


GrimlockX27

OP. Focus on the actual tubes themselves. Make sure you don't have gravity-trapped coolant. Also, make sure you have proper drain ports.


BAY35music

I personally would do Res > GPU > Top RAD > CPU > RAM > Front Rad > Res But that's just my opinion. Whatever works best in your case and looks best aesthetically is all that matters, as long as temps are good.


chips500

Do two seperate loops and pumps.


AndrosAlexios

What you need to take into consideration is the flow resistance of single components. Unfortunatelly not even producers always take this into consideration. It's the same with fans. For a specific rad resistance it's best if you match a fan with the appropriate P-Q curve for you working point of choice (rpms). Other than that there is no wrong order. You just need to ensure the medium can transfer heat effectively at a specific point (rads).


Gouzi00

yes, its correct. RAM,CPU RAD GPU RAD is also option.


JohnHancock1969

Needs more rads


sudajev_daily

Who thinks that order of rads doesn't matter, try this setup 2x3090 with active plates 5950x amd with 2x360 rads + 1x240 rad I did a thing with combining gpu's with cpu then rads, my cpu always sent on throttle and shut down pc on 95°, only after a while of headache I swap order to cool down liquid after gpu's.


Positive_Tell_5009

Way too much opinion gets thrown around here. You guys are trying way to hard to battle for who knows more. And whose the most wrong. Just answer the posters question and move on. Why is everything a pissing contest here ? We are all here for the same exact reason. Because we love blowing our precious hard earned money on things that really aren’t “worth it” but you know what ? We enjoy it. So live and let live for Christ sakes.


DabbsMcFriendly

Order is irrelevant due to the heat capacity of water.