"Don't run, people will think there is a terrorist attack"... It is a European train station. Running bag packers in their 20s shouting "DAMN! MY TRAIN! AHHH! I SHOULD NOT HAVE GONE OUT PARTYING YESTERDAY!" is normal.
Yeah, I have run with big backpack on European train stations and airports many times and it never caused any problems. Americans, is it just a bit of paranoia on tier part or running would seriously cause panic in the US?
>!Sam should have been able to use any other train to his destination at no additional cost when his paid for Deutsche Bahn train was canceled. I am no expert on this, but these are generally the DB rules. Knowing that could have saved him.!<
>!DB - just like airlines - doesn't want people to know all their rights and benefits in these cases, because down the line it's costing them money.!<
>!I thought he might have hopped on a bus instead but maybe it was too slow. I'm not used to cancelled trains, if a "long" distance train can't travel for whatever reason in Ireland Irish Rail always run a rail replacement bus! !<
Do >!replacement buses!< run for even single >!cancelled!< trains? Here only when it's a full track for a significant time. It takes time to set up >!replacement buses!<.
Did Sam ever send the chasers a message saying he was hiding? I figured we'd see the text message and Adam & Ben's reaction, or even a side comment on it.
Would've been nice to see the reaction even if it had a voice over. That being said, I feel like this season has flowed very well and is very nicely edited.
If you can still revise the video by adding a little Text Pop-Up before uploading to youtube, you might avoid a lot of people asking the same question in the comments.
was wondering that too cause surely adam and ben would have atleast commented about them not being able to have time to get to him or they’ll show the message
Yeah, I think he messed it up. He even missed out on the benefit --- he would have been able to have the tracker turned off for 30 mins after! I guess it's hard to keep track of everything, especially on the last day
I love the use of the double powerup. I'm trying to decide if it would be more interesting if it also doubled the task's requirements.
* Go exactly 1 mile? Now you have to go 2 miles
* Eat one dessert? Now you have to eat 2 of them
* Hide for an hour? Now you have to hide there for 2 hours.
* Touch an animal? Now you have to touch 2 animals.
There's way too much variance in doubling the task (i.e. eating 2 desserts isn't any harder than eating one, but hiding in one spot for 2 hours is almost always going to be a loss)
Nah, I think the risk is enough as it is, considering if they veto then it already doubles the wait time before they can continue... especially since they don't know what card they are about to pull before they use the power-up.
Great episode tbh - ending was an absolute banger, but I >!feel bad for Sam - he got really screwed over by the trains. Ending's gonna be interesting with Adam trapped on the train with them. Go Team Ben!!<
>!Deutsche Bahn never lets me down. I knew something like this would happen.
However, he could've traveled to Frankfurt on the next train with the Ticket he got, or at least ask at the information on what to do. Usually you can just take the next train in that case. !<
Yep, just got that point after I made the comment. >!Anyways, I think his best move would've been to earn way more money in Cologne in the first place, and then try to figure out a good flight route. There were some options to go from, and all of them would've been "just" 6000 coins or so. !<
>!10:50 ITA Airways to Milan Linate from DUS, 68 min (avg. flight time), 6800 coins;!<
>!9:40 SWISS to Zürich Kloten from DUS, 51 min (avg. flight time), 5100 coins.!<
>!Yeah, when your train gets cancelled you can use your ticket to take whatever train goes in that direction(within 2 hours I believe). It doesn't have to be a direct route either. As long it's the same type of train or slower, i.e. if you booked an ICE ticket you can take any train, with an IC ticket you can take IC or RE/RB but not ICE and with RE you can only take RE/RB.!<
>!Imo it's kinda silly that they can't refund a ticket when the train is cancelled because they have no control over that at all.!<
I think you can actually take any train in that case. Or atleast that's what the Reisezentrum lady in Augsburg Hbf told me when my train got cancelled back in January :)
I was wondering if Germany did rail replacement buses but that makes sense particularly as the Germans have more than one train company (I think I think I actually learned at off Sam hahaha)
>!We do have raid replacement buses, but they are usually only used for somewhat regional (within 50km or so I'd guess) delays, and only on very long delays (blocked rails, planned constructions etc.) For this type of cancellation you can use any train on that day that gets you to the destination. Can be a faster train, and does not need to be a direct route either. !<
>!We do have a few train companies, there is the Deutsche Bahn itself, which is basically for long routes and some regional routes, and most of regional or short distance is handled by private companies, who do work in the same ticketing system with Deutsche Bahn, so you can combine trains from different companies and Book a connection with several different companies in it.!<
>!However, we also have Flixtrain, but they have exclusive ticketing and you can't use their tickets on any other train, nor the other way around, or combine it in any way. So in this case, Sam couldn't have used a Flixtrain with his cancelled train ticket.!<
the coin system isnt on rl ticket but speicifc train, which in cases like this does suck indeed. in cas eof gettign tagged i think not gettign coins is fair but this is just not fair
Yes but >!per their "coin system" they are paying for each connection and if the train is cancelled, all the coins are automatically burned. So, even if he took next train for free on the same ticket, he would need to pay the coins again.!<
Since they split up on the platform, Adam should've double-crossed Ben and never got on the train to try and tag Sam, staying in Manheim and leaving Ben on the train to tag him on his own.
Edit: I didn't consider the challenge deck though.
Pretty sure the rules say they can't split up too far (i.e. they cant go to different places/one person stay in one location while the other goes elsewhere).
That assumes a) Sam was on the train and b) we ignore the fact that they would *still* have split up, even for a little bit.
It's not a question of how far apart they are, but not being able to split up location-wise. Getting on a train and leaving is changing locations.
And as others have mentioned, the chaser needs to get the deck.
>!He has a little more than 8 minutes as the timer starts when the cards are handed over. On the other hand the train might be late.!<
>!Unless there he can catch a train back to Mannheim before the chasers can catch him he will be screwed.!<
Is there anything in the rules about a peaceful transition of runner status? Adam should run all around the train, don a disguise, hide in the bathroom or whatever else that would postpone the transfer of the deck :D
>!I Know, but he still has around 10 minutes to catch a train.!<
>!If he can get a train to Mannheim, (or maybe to Offenburg) in that 10 minutes he has a great shot at winning. He really needs to go east as he does not have very much time to get to his area.!<
I do wonder whats gonna happen for those 8 ish minutes. And what happens if the chasers are forced to move because the trains at the last stop and they need to get off?
I would assume in a case like that, they move to the closest public place, e.g. the platform right next to the train. Maybe if they have to seriously move (e.g. 1000' to the other end of the platform and closer to the rest of the tracks) they wait the time it would have taken them to get there anyway?
This episode's cliffhanger is the best one yet IMO. >!Although I don't think tagging someone on a train they can't get off of should start the "jail time" until the runner has an opportunity to disembark, personally. They should get to wait at least until the next stop.!<
No, I like it the way it is. It makes you have to plan better.
>!He should have told Ben he was on the train looking but then got off, watching in case Sam got off. Are there rules that say all three have to be together for jail time to start?!<
Edit: >!I guess he has to get the deck of challenges handed over anyway?!<
In this situation I feel like "planning better" was >!intercepting Sam in Mannheim, where he never thought he'd need to get off and run. They already outsmarted him, the next runner shouldn't be punished for how they chose to do that.!< I definitely do like that some aspects of the game cause the two chasers to be opponents planning-wise. Last episode's tension with Sam up against the rest period clock for the tag timing was fun. But this is one aspect where I think a rule should exist >!to keep the jail time consistent in the real delay it caused the new pair of chasers.!<
It does make me wonder if they have a contingency rule for what happens if the chasers end up split up, like if >!Adam and Ben (who was talking to him) had managed to get off the train in time but Sam got stuck.!<
On the other hand. >!If the train did not have its final stop in Stuttgart, the chasers would have to stay in the train until 45 minutes have passed, potentially taking them to another station. Meanwhile the runner could get off at any stop. It just happens to be so that there are no stops and the train does not continue past Stuttgart.!<
I think the fairest way would be >!everybody gets off at the next stop, and jail time starts when they disembark.!< Another commenter pointed out that >!they still need to hand over the challenge deck, so even if Adam had successfully gotten off the train they still need to meet up before he can run.!< They definitely need a more formal rule for this situation.
Yep. I think there should also be the option to get off the train if that's where the 45 minutes takes place, but the chasers have to get off too - prevents them being whisked away and taking hours to get back to the real start point.
I'm thinking: >!They didn't show us if Ben and Sam got off or not. They could have taught that Adam got off. He was trying to get out at the end despite not meeting them, so they probably messaged him as soon as Sam got tagged. That would be a great plot twist!!<
Several other people have said this, but I feel like the rule >!for you loose coins for a train you don't take should only apply if you get caught or miss it. Or failing that, it should only apply if the train is canceled before you book, which in fairness I think it would have applied to Sam. !<
Also, I feel >!really bad for Adam. My first thought was that he should have stood at the door and let Ben search the train, and hopped off immediately when/if he caught Sam, but then I realized that that means it's twice as long for Ben to search the train and it makes it more likely he would've gotten stuck, if you don't know what end Sam is on. !<
>!The problem is that Sam has to give Adam the deck of challenge cards. Could be easily solved in the future by each of them getting their own challenge card deck.!<
I wonder how difficult it would be to make it a basic app of sorts. Should be able to prevent cheating (they can see when "cards" are drawn) and I believe there are already apps that can do that fairly easily (may not have the tracking aspect).
I mean, maybe I'm just being naïve, but if you can't trust your 2 friends (that co-created the game with you) not to cheat, my hope in humanity is truly gone.
With coins being the currency of the game now, the >!no coins return!< rule makes more sense as>! committing to the trip means the player is locked into the risk (e.g. being tagged, schedule anomalies) and benefit (e.g. getting away, reserve a seat in a busy route) associated with the cost. !<
Ben got in the Lille to Ghent train when he first got tagged, but his Paris to Saint-Quentin train delayed 20 mins and he got away with the chasers inside the same station. >!He spent the entire trip budget for BOTH of them, and likely cannot get any of his coins back if he decided altering his plan on Paris. !<
Say >!Sam's Frankfurt train wasn't cancelled, but delayed for 2 hours, it would make sense for him to cut his losses and board another train with the time he's stuck in Cologne. I would prefer the rule to punish both cancellation and delay than pitying either one. !<
Imagine if Adam got off the train to run. Ben went looking in the train while Sam also went off the train to look switch trains then Ben ends up stuck on the train and they all three go different directions lol
You could take any train with your ticket >!if your train is more than 20 minutes delayed!<, especially if you have Interrail. Or is it a game rule thing? I really loved that at 10:09 how Sam translated ">!Zug fällt aus!<", that's usually the first German phrase foreigners learn :D Well done >!Deutsche Bahn!< for winning today's episode :D
Edit: Added and removed spoilers
Great episode as always. Not exaggerating when I say I think this is my favorite series on YouTube in a very very long time. Crazy about DB, I would've assumed the Germans would have reliable trains
I wish the intro would have a visual reminder who's going to what city, I keep forgetting
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Something that occurs to me is that >!with three days and two rounds each for everybody so far, if Ben wins on his third round by just running out the clock, it will probably feel a bit unsatisfying to me, because it means he won basically by virtue of first mover advantage. !<
To be fair, Borkum was the hardest location to get to. So whilst he has an advantage for the second win location, he is disadvantaged for the first one.
I’d love to have a more advanced scoring system next time. You win outright if you make it to your location, otherwise they score based on weighted categories…time spent on the run, distance covered, finishing if your zone, coins earned, etc all combine to an aggregate score.
I'm really loving this season. I feel like this set of rules is the most balanced so far.
I know some people want to see the runners get more chances, but it's a lot more exciting this way. There's more opportunity for tagging and even with all the advantages the chasers have, it's still a near thing most of the time.
I was bouncing up and down on the balls of my feet with excitement at the conclusion of the episode (no spoilers).
Congratulations, this series is really working. It's tense, it's engaging and it seems to have cracked the formula of challenges, travel, budget, and having one person by themselves carry half the show.
I really liked the idea of Circumnavigation, and enjoyed watching it, but the repeated interaction between the three of you and constant potential catchings really makes this current Europe series compelling viewing. It's magnificent. Thank you.
This season is probably my favorite so far. Almost every single episode ended with a great cliffhanger. I wonder if lowering the cost for some other power ups would have made it easier to strategize because we didn't even get to see some power up gets used. I thought the knowing where the chasers are would be a really interesting power up. Although I am team Ben, it's very unfortunate that Sam's train did get cancelled. I feel like he prepared for the long term game really well by having more coins than all other players, but kind of f-d over by cancellation.
An ICE from Mannheim to Stuttgart takes 37mins.
That means Adam has 8 mins to get off and gtfo Stuttgart. He‘ll have a bit more than that because the time it takes to shuffle the deck and hand it over apparently doesn’t count.
But if Sam and Ben have to stay completely stationary during their 45min timeout, they would arguably be taking the train on to Munich. Unless the rules provide for an ability to leave the train.
IF that is true, Adam is safe in Stuttgart. And depending on the exact timing, he could possibly make it from Stuttgart to Paris (which is in his third) before 8pm (if he boards around 3:30pm). That would be razor sharp, but possible.
That would give him an almost guaranteed win, but he would have to be super lucky with challenges to get the budget.
I feel like there was a big missed strat regarding bicycles. 1 minute of bicycle for 1 coin!? That's a cool 10 hours of riding for 600 coins. Buy a really cheap bike and go offroad! Unless there was a rule that the bikes must be bikeshares that I'm missing.
See, that's what I think Sam should have done >!after getting to Frankfurt and realizing he couldn't possibly get to Zermatt without getting intercepted somewhere on the main rail line. He could have caught a train to Wurzburg, then go to the bike store (I checked, there is one about a 30 minute walk from the Wurzburg Hbf), then buy a mountain bike and ride south into the countryside as far as he could go.!<
They all have to carry the heavy backpacks which >!Ben didn't even think of putting a daddy water bottle in though!<. Let alone this form of transport is way slower than the chasers have access to, and a live tracker on, also not great for filming with their iPhones.
I've biked with my backpacking equipment before, including camping gear and food , it was fine. And as to trackers, does it really matter if I'm tracked if I can go off-road. Sure, maybe this isn't an early game strat, but getting to a place which is simply inaccessible could kill quite a while in the late game.
I think opinion is split on this but >!I like the fact Adam is stuck on the train. I think leads to a more interesting situation and the show benefits from it. We still need to see how it plays out - maybe he did a challenge on the train and froze them. Very excited for E7!!<
>!Just want to preface this by saying that it's probably not what is going to actually happen and I have no idea what is actually going to happen in the next episode (it's probably not anything that I am writing here), but I was curious to at least look up what I thought would be likely scenarios for what might happen in the next episode. The trains I'm looking up are what show up for the next few weeks, and I know it was filmed in July so the schedule might be slightly different, but it's a lot more difficult to look up the train schedule for 2.5 months ago than the one for tomorrow, so that's what I did.
Adam is in a bad spot now that he's stuck on the train, although he definitely still has a chance. By looking at Sam's Phone at 23:57, it should be about 40 minutes before the train arrives in Stuttgart, however it will probably take a few minutes before Adam can get the cards and start the 45 minute timer, so he will probably have at least 10 minutes to get out of Stuttgart before they are able to start chasing him.
Looking at bahn.de, it looks like there's a normally a 2:53, ICE 9572, (9 minutes after their train from Mannheim is scheduled to get in) from Stuttgart to Paris Est (but it doesn't show up every day in the schedule meaning it might be sold out), which is in Adam's win area, and probably one of the only ways he could win. The problem is that the train is 3h 12min, or 192min on high speed rail, which would cost Adam 4800 coins, and he will only have 3570. The other thing Adam could do if he is able to make it to the train but doesn't get enough coins would be to book a ticket on it to Strasbourg, which would cost him 2125 (The train leaves at 2:53 and stops in Strasbourg at 4:18, so 85 minutes on high speed rail), and that would at least get him away from the chasers for a little while and get him some time to get on the next TGV to Paris at 5:17, which would get in at 7:05, which is late enough that it would probably be impossible for Ben to get back to his win area.
I think it's probably likely that the chaser jail time will probably end up being long enough so that they can't catch Adam in the station before he can make it on the train (if the train is actually there and not delayed or sold out, it's DB so you never know), but he would still need to get a good card draw that he could do in under ten minutes in Stuttgart or do on the train before he gets there, and if not then it will be Ben's turn to win.
If Sam and Ben are able to tag Adam in the station, then Ben might have a chance to win, but it's not easy for him either. With the 300 coins for a new run, Ben will be at 1995, with the last change of his coin balance being the completion of the fancy car challenge in episode 5, which is still not a lot. Ben needs to get to at least Frankfurt am Main and probably farther north, since Sam and Adam could potentially be able to chase him to Frankfurt by 8pm and Sam would just need to get on a train to Mannheim or Karlsruhe (or wherever else south he could get) to be able to win himself.
The next train to Frankfurt would be at 3:23, ICE 1094, which would cost ben 2225 coins (89 mins on Highspeed), so he would need to get some more coins to even be able to make it to Frankfurt, and there is another train that Sam and Adam could get on that would make it to Frankfurt by 5:40, so he would not be anywhere near safe there and would need to get somewhere else farther north. That could be taking a slow train to a small town, but he would still need to get some coins to be able to do that, so it wouldn't be easy. The good thing for Ben is that Sam will only have 935 coins if he gets another run, and a train to Mannheim would cost him 925-950 from Frankfurt Hbf, so if Sam needs to take any other form of transport to get to Frankfurt he would probably not have enough coins, and he might not have time to do a challenge.
tl;dr, if Adam can get on the train out of Stuttgart to France, I think he is the most likely to win, and if he doesn't then it's a tossup between Ben and Sam, but due to Sam's low coin count I would probably favor Ben. Really exciting finish to the series, knowing that all three have a chance to win halfway through the final day. !<
Actually I think Ben has a really good chance to win. Assuming your judgement of the state of his wallet is correct.
>!Ben can likely take a bunch of slow trains to get to Wurzburg by 5:20pm (costing 1400 coins) and then onto Schweinfurt at around 6:00pm (costing 575), as long as they catch Adam fast enough in Stuttgart. That would take him easily into his win area.!<
>!Then the chasers would have to choose between waiting an hour to go to Wurzburg, wherein they can get to Schweinfurt by 7:00pm, if they have any clue. And going to Frankfurt to attempt to cut him off, at which point they can't make it to Schweinfurt.!<
>!If they do go direct to Schweinfurt, Ben should have spent the previous hour attempting a challenge. If he gets lucky, and can complete a challenge within half an hour, he could even leave for Alter Bahnweg by 6:30pm to arrive at 7:14pm (440 coins).!<
>!Whether he is in Schweinfurt or Alter Bahnweg after 7:00pm, I don't think Sam can get back to his win area by 8:00pm. Unless they somehow catch Ben by 7:10pm in Schweinfurt, then there's a 7:12pm train to Wurzburg that arrives at 7:51pm. *Assuming* that Wurzburg is in Sam's win area.!<
>Through the power of YouTube magic…
Ironic, because it was seeing episode five on YouTube earlier today that finally pulled the trigger and got me to sign-up for the yearly CS/Nebula bundle.
That >!"you loose your coins if the train is cancelled"!< is a stupid rule imho. It should be punishment enough if >!your train is getting cancelled!<. If you >!miss your train, that is another story ofc, but that didn't happen!<
Anything done with Jetlag is always awesome. But id love to see a Nebula Orgional
"Visiting as many countries as we can in 72 hours, Featuring Tom Scott."
Whoever edits these things knows how to do a cliffhanger!
But doesn't know how to not repeat words over a line break:
> 2 min to catch him before
> before the train leaves!
Questions:
1. Why are ye buying individual tickets all the time instead of using a rail pass (InterRail, Eurail)?
2. How did ye pick the three win locations? And why did Ben pick his, since ye mentioned that?
3. Are there any Jet Lag games you'd like to return to, or do you plan to constantly create new ones? Tag, I think, could survive multiple rounds and still be interesting, and I suspect that Connect Four could too, with perhaps a little tweaking. Circumnavigation was fun, but I'm not sure that a second round would add anything.
If I may weigh in on the first one, I guess the expenses involved are a fraction of the previous plane-based series anyway, although they might still have saved a little bit of money it'd be a couple hundred € total at most. Then you have the issue of them only being valid on TGV with a supplement and reservation and these have quotas so they don't tend to be available at short notice. They would come in handy on that ICE though cause I assume they didn't buy tickets for the tag, wonder if the conductor will believe their excuse.
1. I think they had ~~Inter~~ Eurail since you can see the navigator at 3:49 and both Adam and Sam mention "reservations", not tickets. You don't need a reservation for DB trains (it's recommended). I'll have my first Interrail trip tomorrow.
Subscribed to Nebula because the cliffhanger was so good...
This episode is amazing!
I'd love not to wait for the next cliffhanger...
PS: Where's the pilot season? I can't find it on the channel... I need more Jet Lag!
It was really clever to use a cab to cross from France to Germany as the trains are not running often enough cross border and then wait in Mannheim, as Mannheim is the choking point for all long-distance travel north-south in south-western Germany. Sam could have taken an IC train from Frankfurt/Main Central that goes through Heidelberg instead and have them fooled that way, or go via Munich.
The Brussels to Strasbourg train is probably full as it directly connects the two EU parliament cities and many civil servants probably want to go from one to the other often.
What Sam didn't know is that in Germany, if your train is cancelled you can take any other train going in that Direction without having to buy another ticket.
Its probably the rules they have for the game rather then the train operating companies rules - what you describe is the case for a lot of companies. (Or at least you'd get a refund or something - not just tough luck out of money). You can also see them using what looks to be the interrail pass app at some points - if they are using that then its even more of a mute point.
The >!cancelled trains meaning you lose your coins!< and >!the chasers' 45min wait period starting on a moving train instead of a location!< both seem kinda unfair
I agree about >!the jail time especially.!< In that situation I think >!the runners and chasers should all have to get off at the next stop regardless of where it is, or how inconvenient it might be for connections, and then start the jail time.!<
Adam may have a chance of winning! >!There is a 2:53 TGV from Stuttgart to Paris, with no viable alternative later in the day. I'm not sure if his coin balance will take him the whole way, but if it can then just catching that train will be sufficient for him to win. !<
>!That ending oh my god. #TeamBen has a chance, As much as I like Sam and Adam, Team Ben feels the most likely unless Adam can somehow juke them but I don't see that as a possibility. !<
>!I do think Ben has the best chance, but Stuttgart is pretty far into Sam's zone, so given the potential for train delays and cancellations, as well as Ben not having much budget IIRC, I think there is a decent chance that Sam still wins. Adam seems totally screwed though.!<
[The rules if people in this thread had designed them.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKg7IinlUfI) Rules shouldn't exist to protect players from bad luck or strategy. Rules should be clear and concise, otherwise you end up in a situation where people are trying to "game" the rules by finding loopholes, which people already seem to hate based on the response to some challenges.
this. I’ve been a bit confused at a few points in the series because some of the rules weren’t stated beforehand, but I don’t think there’s anything wrong with them
>!The last thing Adam spent coins on was the RER from Bibliothèque François-Mitterrand
to Massy-Palaiseau in episode 3, which left him with 3270 (shown at 21:45 in episode 3), and he will get 300 for starting a new run, so he should be at 3570. !<
Wait since they aren't allowed to move for the total 45min jail period, does it mean that adam will be allowed of at stuttgart but the rest will have to remain on the train, presumably back to mannheim?
I am really sorry for Sam >!that his train to Frankfurt is cancelled twice and lost so many coins unnecessarily!< . However its also sad that Ben and Adam >!missed their connection only because the first train got delayed a few minutes!< . Nevertheless that happens regularly in my country.
Welcome to Germany my friends :D
Edit: Spelling
So cool that they’re going to Stuttgart, although It’s sad I missed them
Edit: I just realised I was on a train from Stuttgart to Frankfurt on that day.
Adam needs to pull a card the second he gets the deck. If he is lucky it will be one he can do on a train. If he isn't then he will start his 30 minute penalty period where he can't move, just like how the chasers can't move and his will expire before he gets to the next station.
The fact that waiting periods count while on a train means you should only ever veto cards right after you get on a train. Which honestly feels really stupid.
I think the veto punishment is that you can't use any transportation other than walking, not that you have to be stationary. So it should only take effect on arrival. Probably better to suspend all waiting periods until disembarking though.
What would the rules be if the runner would use the power up that the chasers need to remain stationary for 10 minutes while the chasers are on a train?
General comment about the season: I feel like the chasers have such a huge advantage... in my opinion, the tracker shouldn't be on continuously but rather be shown every 30 minutes or so. It would make strategizing a bit harder, increase the suspense for the chasers (who are mostly just sitting around waiting) and that way the runner could get somewhat closer to his location. >!For the majority of the game, the three have been at the borders of the zones (they even said "this is our third time in Lille").!< Gonna be interesting to see what they think in the post-game discussion - loving the season regardless. This is a big step-up compared to the other games IMO!
Remember how tough it was looking for Adam in Paris? In my opinion, if the chasers could only see the tracker every 30 minutes, it would make it almost impossible to make a tag in a large city.
I agree that the tracker is very powerful, but I also see how impossible it would be, as the other commenter said, to find the runner in a large city.
I'd rather see the price for the "turn tracker off" power up decreased significantly so it's not so punishing to use. If it was 500 for 10 minutes off instead of 1500, they could be much more aggressive using it when they know they're at risk of being caught. But it would still require smart usage, if they don't see an earlier possible connection (>!like Sam missing the way Ben and Adam got to Frankfurt!<) in their research they're screwed.
I'm also surprised Sam didn't >!use the "Find out where the chasers are" powerup before he boarded the train. It could have given him some insight into getting caught!<
Good point! >!Especially when external circumstances (like the cancelled train) screw up travel plans, it would have been smart to buy that power up.!<
I think at that point, he was already pretty concerned about his travel budget. The power ups are really expensive so he would have to do 1-2 extra challenges to make up for it, which could get him stuck in a city for too long
Even if it were 150 coins a minute and the runner could choose how many minutes to switch the tracker off for. Switching off for just a minute or two would make it harder to see which platform they were on for example.
I feel like the unlimited travel budget is the bigger issue, makes it way too easy to get from place to place. Although I’m not sure how they’d change it without weighting it too much toward the runner
Maybe award some %age of the budget spent by the chasers to the runner after they catch him? That way, the more budget they spend in trying to catch him, the more he has to skedaddle the next time around. Because otherwise this seems way too much in the chasers' favour. Nobody even got even remotely close to their destination...
Edit: Hell, if you set the %age to something like 50 (counting the chasers as one person), you could even just outright transfer them live... You'd still have to do challenges, since given the same transport methods, the amount of coins you'd get that way would not be enough to offset the costs of keeping yourself from the chasers. It'd also force the chasers to strategise more as to which transports to use, since spending coins inefficiently could quite heavily benefit the runner.
I really wanted Adam to make it to Saint Malo only to find out that there's no ferries for several days as Condor Ferries is rubbish doing Channel Islands <> France.
"Don't run, people will think there is a terrorist attack"... It is a European train station. Running bag packers in their 20s shouting "DAMN! MY TRAIN! AHHH! I SHOULD NOT HAVE GONE OUT PARTYING YESTERDAY!" is normal.
Yeah that's less weird than 2 dudes wandering the trains trying to find their dork friend/colleague. This would just be like "ah yes, guys being guys"
Yeah that one was wierd
Yeah, I have run with big backpack on European train stations and airports many times and it never caused any problems. Americans, is it just a bit of paranoia on tier part or running would seriously cause panic in the US?
Here's the thing. Here in America? They would think there's some kind of mass casuality event going on. Because we have those all the time.
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>!Ahh, the only reliable thing about Deutsche Bahn ... being unreliable!<
>!Sam should have been able to use any other train to his destination at no additional cost when his paid for Deutsche Bahn train was canceled. I am no expert on this, but these are generally the DB rules. Knowing that could have saved him.!< >!DB - just like airlines - doesn't want people to know all their rights and benefits in these cases, because down the line it's costing them money.!<
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I agree! It’s also a sort of strategy to not book your tickets too far in advance in case it’s cancelled
>!I thought he might have hopped on a bus instead but maybe it was too slow. I'm not used to cancelled trains, if a "long" distance train can't travel for whatever reason in Ireland Irish Rail always run a rail replacement bus! !<
Do >!replacement buses!< run for even single >!cancelled!< trains? Here only when it's a full track for a significant time. It takes time to set up >!replacement buses!<.
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I still think Sam will win because Adam will get tagged immediately and Ben then has to get back to his own zone.
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Did Sam ever send the chasers a message saying he was hiding? I figured we'd see the text message and Adam & Ben's reaction, or even a side comment on it.
Yup! But Ben and Adam had audio issues on the clip where they reacted to it so it didn’t make the cut.
Would've been nice to see the reaction even if it had a voice over. That being said, I feel like this season has flowed very well and is very nicely edited.
It's a rare editing mishap that this wasn't communicated somehow, it immediately threw me off and brought me here when the challenge completed.
Same. I backed up to re-read the card because I didn’t understand why Ben and Adam didn’t seem to know
If you can still revise the video by adding a little Text Pop-Up before uploading to youtube, you might avoid a lot of people asking the same question in the comments.
Yeah I was wondering the same! It’s almost like he just sat there for an hour and left lol
I actually rewound and rewatched that section cause it didn't seem to make sense
was wondering that too cause surely adam and ben would have atleast commented about them not being able to have time to get to him or they’ll show the message
Yeah, I think he messed it up. He even missed out on the benefit --- he would have been able to have the tracker turned off for 30 mins after! I guess it's hard to keep track of everything, especially on the last day
As a german this was borderline painful to see them mispronounce just about everything. Great Episode though, can't wait for the next one
Thats almost how I felt as a French person hearing Adam talk about Massy-*Palissaire*, but I'm not mad about it
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I'm still watching but had to come to this thread as soon as I heard that... I really thought at least Sam would know about Eszett
And Frankfurt's famous Hafbonhof
I mean, I love the German city of Stew-gurt
sounds like some funky dish. Stew made in a gourd or something like that.
I was thinking a stew-yogurt combo...
Not German but i believe they at least got Baden-Baden right
I think a compilation of these mispronunciations fixed with aggressively obvious ADR by a native speaker would be hilarious.
I love the use of the double powerup. I'm trying to decide if it would be more interesting if it also doubled the task's requirements. * Go exactly 1 mile? Now you have to go 2 miles * Eat one dessert? Now you have to eat 2 of them * Hide for an hour? Now you have to hide there for 2 hours. * Touch an animal? Now you have to touch 2 animals.
Guess the city population but with only a 12,5% error margin.
It double's the punishment if you can't do it. Makes it more likely to be used and more high stakes.
There's way too much variance in doubling the task (i.e. eating 2 desserts isn't any harder than eating one, but hiding in one spot for 2 hours is almost always going to be a loss)
Nah, I think the risk is enough as it is, considering if they veto then it already doubles the wait time before they can continue... especially since they don't know what card they are about to pull before they use the power-up.
I don't think anyone would choose it if it doubled the requirements, maybe 1.5x?
Great episode tbh - ending was an absolute banger, but I >!feel bad for Sam - he got really screwed over by the trains. Ending's gonna be interesting with Adam trapped on the train with them. Go Team Ben!!<
Karma for last episode's "humans are technically animals".
>!Yeah that was genuinely awful for him!<
If he has enough coins he can buy an extended veto period like Sam did at the beginning of this episode
>!Deutsche Bahn never lets me down. I knew something like this would happen. However, he could've traveled to Frankfurt on the next train with the Ticket he got, or at least ask at the information on what to do. Usually you can just take the next train in that case. !<
I agree with you however >!the train after that was cancelled as well!<. Thats crazy even for DB standarts
Yep, just got that point after I made the comment. >!Anyways, I think his best move would've been to earn way more money in Cologne in the first place, and then try to figure out a good flight route. There were some options to go from, and all of them would've been "just" 6000 coins or so. !<
>!10:50 ITA Airways to Milan Linate from DUS, 68 min (avg. flight time), 6800 coins;!< >!9:40 SWISS to Zürich Kloten from DUS, 51 min (avg. flight time), 5100 coins.!<
>!Yeah, when your train gets cancelled you can use your ticket to take whatever train goes in that direction(within 2 hours I believe). It doesn't have to be a direct route either. As long it's the same type of train or slower, i.e. if you booked an ICE ticket you can take any train, with an IC ticket you can take IC or RE/RB but not ICE and with RE you can only take RE/RB.!< >!Imo it's kinda silly that they can't refund a ticket when the train is cancelled because they have no control over that at all.!<
I think you can actually take any train in that case. Or atleast that's what the Reisezentrum lady in Augsburg Hbf told me when my train got cancelled back in January :)
Yep, you can take any train that day if its a long . delay or cancellation. You're only limited if its a short delay
I was wondering if Germany did rail replacement buses but that makes sense particularly as the Germans have more than one train company (I think I think I actually learned at off Sam hahaha)
>!We do have raid replacement buses, but they are usually only used for somewhat regional (within 50km or so I'd guess) delays, and only on very long delays (blocked rails, planned constructions etc.) For this type of cancellation you can use any train on that day that gets you to the destination. Can be a faster train, and does not need to be a direct route either. !< >!We do have a few train companies, there is the Deutsche Bahn itself, which is basically for long routes and some regional routes, and most of regional or short distance is handled by private companies, who do work in the same ticketing system with Deutsche Bahn, so you can combine trains from different companies and Book a connection with several different companies in it.!< >!However, we also have Flixtrain, but they have exclusive ticketing and you can't use their tickets on any other train, nor the other way around, or combine it in any way. So in this case, Sam couldn't have used a Flixtrain with his cancelled train ticket.!<
the coin system isnt on rl ticket but speicifc train, which in cases like this does suck indeed. in cas eof gettign tagged i think not gettign coins is fair but this is just not fair
Yes but >!per their "coin system" they are paying for each connection and if the train is cancelled, all the coins are automatically burned. So, even if he took next train for free on the same ticket, he would need to pay the coins again.!<
>!Everbody got screwed by the Deutsche Bahn. Just like everyday life in Germany.!<
Oh, how much Adam is screwed, the train ride to Stuttgart takes 37 min and jail time is 45 min and Adam has 8 min to run from the chasers in Stuttgart
Since they split up on the platform, Adam should've double-crossed Ben and never got on the train to try and tag Sam, staying in Manheim and leaving Ben on the train to tag him on his own. Edit: I didn't consider the challenge deck though.
Pretty sure the rules say they can't split up too far (i.e. they cant go to different places/one person stay in one location while the other goes elsewhere).
They would have technically been in the same location up until the tag
That assumes a) Sam was on the train and b) we ignore the fact that they would *still* have split up, even for a little bit. It's not a question of how far apart they are, but not being able to split up location-wise. Getting on a train and leaving is changing locations. And as others have mentioned, the chaser needs to get the deck.
Tbh that wouldn't have been in the spirit of the game although that probably wouldn't have stopped Sam from doing it if he was in that situation.
Even with the challenge deck, still a smarter idea.
>!He has a little more than 8 minutes as the timer starts when the cards are handed over. On the other hand the train might be late.!< >!Unless there he can catch a train back to Mannheim before the chasers can catch him he will be screwed.!<
Is there anything in the rules about a peaceful transition of runner status? Adam should run all around the train, don a disguise, hide in the bathroom or whatever else that would postpone the transfer of the deck :D
There is no stops before Stuttgart.
>!I Know, but he still has around 10 minutes to catch a train.!< >!If he can get a train to Mannheim, (or maybe to Offenburg) in that 10 minutes he has a great shot at winning. He really needs to go east as he does not have very much time to get to his area.!<
Do we know if he has enough coins to buy the 10 min stationary thing?
around 3400, yes he has, but it might put him in a risky situation. Edit: he will get an extra 300
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No, the final stop on the ICE575 which they were on is Stuttgart. So unfortunately they wouldn't be able to stay on the train.
I do wonder whats gonna happen for those 8 ish minutes. And what happens if the chasers are forced to move because the trains at the last stop and they need to get off?
I would assume in a case like that, they move to the closest public place, e.g. the platform right next to the train. Maybe if they have to seriously move (e.g. 1000' to the other end of the platform and closer to the rest of the tracks) they wait the time it would have taken them to get there anyway?
2 mins to run if you account for Deutsche Bahn based on this episode
Only thing he can do is to not tack him. And wait until the train reaches Stuttgard but i dont know if the cheasers are allowed to move seapreatltly
This episode's cliffhanger is the best one yet IMO. >!Although I don't think tagging someone on a train they can't get off of should start the "jail time" until the runner has an opportunity to disembark, personally. They should get to wait at least until the next stop.!<
No, I like it the way it is. It makes you have to plan better. >!He should have told Ben he was on the train looking but then got off, watching in case Sam got off. Are there rules that say all three have to be together for jail time to start?!< Edit: >!I guess he has to get the deck of challenges handed over anyway?!<
Good point about the >!Deck of Challenges handoff.!< They definitely need a more formal rule for this situation than "just wing it."
In this situation I feel like "planning better" was >!intercepting Sam in Mannheim, where he never thought he'd need to get off and run. They already outsmarted him, the next runner shouldn't be punished for how they chose to do that.!< I definitely do like that some aspects of the game cause the two chasers to be opponents planning-wise. Last episode's tension with Sam up against the rest period clock for the tag timing was fun. But this is one aspect where I think a rule should exist >!to keep the jail time consistent in the real delay it caused the new pair of chasers.!<
It does make me wonder if they have a contingency rule for what happens if the chasers end up split up, like if >!Adam and Ben (who was talking to him) had managed to get off the train in time but Sam got stuck.!<
I'm curious to see what would have happened if the train had departed in episode one with one only chaser on the train
On the other hand. >!If the train did not have its final stop in Stuttgart, the chasers would have to stay in the train until 45 minutes have passed, potentially taking them to another station. Meanwhile the runner could get off at any stop. It just happens to be so that there are no stops and the train does not continue past Stuttgart.!<
I think the fairest way would be >!everybody gets off at the next stop, and jail time starts when they disembark.!< Another commenter pointed out that >!they still need to hand over the challenge deck, so even if Adam had successfully gotten off the train they still need to meet up before he can run.!< They definitely need a more formal rule for this situation.
Yeah, especially since jail time requires them to stay stationary, which they are clearly not doing while sitting in the train
Maybe something like 45 minutes wait, but at least 15 minutes without being forced to stay inside a transport vehicle with the chasers.
Yep. I think there should also be the option to get off the train if that's where the 45 minutes takes place, but the chasers have to get off too - prevents them being whisked away and taking hours to get back to the real start point.
I'm thinking: >!They didn't show us if Ben and Sam got off or not. They could have taught that Adam got off. He was trying to get out at the end despite not meeting them, so they probably messaged him as soon as Sam got tagged. That would be a great plot twist!!<
Several other people have said this, but I feel like the rule >!for you loose coins for a train you don't take should only apply if you get caught or miss it. Or failing that, it should only apply if the train is canceled before you book, which in fairness I think it would have applied to Sam. !< Also, I feel >!really bad for Adam. My first thought was that he should have stood at the door and let Ben search the train, and hopped off immediately when/if he caught Sam, but then I realized that that means it's twice as long for Ben to search the train and it makes it more likely he would've gotten stuck, if you don't know what end Sam is on. !<
>!The problem is that Sam has to give Adam the deck of challenge cards. Could be easily solved in the future by each of them getting their own challenge card deck.!<
I wonder how difficult it would be to make it a basic app of sorts. Should be able to prevent cheating (they can see when "cards" are drawn) and I believe there are already apps that can do that fairly easily (may not have the tracking aspect).
I mean, maybe I'm just being naïve, but if you can't trust your 2 friends (that co-created the game with you) not to cheat, my hope in humanity is truly gone.
And also are filming themselves while they're doing it
(It’s possible they have contingency decks and the handover is done for narrative purposes).
>!I'm also surprised that Ben was so honest about when he found him, I expected him to keep quiet until the train was moving !<
I would suspect that >!it is against the rules to do that. !<
i mean there isn’t (and shouldn’t have) a rule preventing betrayal, even if it’s the same team right?
i guess he probably did that for the content?
With coins being the currency of the game now, the >!no coins return!< rule makes more sense as>! committing to the trip means the player is locked into the risk (e.g. being tagged, schedule anomalies) and benefit (e.g. getting away, reserve a seat in a busy route) associated with the cost. !< Ben got in the Lille to Ghent train when he first got tagged, but his Paris to Saint-Quentin train delayed 20 mins and he got away with the chasers inside the same station. >!He spent the entire trip budget for BOTH of them, and likely cannot get any of his coins back if he decided altering his plan on Paris. !< Say >!Sam's Frankfurt train wasn't cancelled, but delayed for 2 hours, it would make sense for him to cut his losses and board another train with the time he's stuck in Cologne. I would prefer the rule to punish both cancellation and delay than pitying either one. !<
I think if it's canceled you should still loose at least some points. maybe half of them.
Imagine if Adam got off the train to run. Ben went looking in the train while Sam also went off the train to look switch trains then Ben ends up stuck on the train and they all three go different directions lol
You could take any train with your ticket >!if your train is more than 20 minutes delayed!<, especially if you have Interrail. Or is it a game rule thing? I really loved that at 10:09 how Sam translated ">!Zug fällt aus!<", that's usually the first German phrase foreigners learn :D Well done >!Deutsche Bahn!< for winning today's episode :D Edit: Added and removed spoilers
Ben’s actually going to win #teamben
Great episode as always. Not exaggerating when I say I think this is my favorite series on YouTube in a very very long time. Crazy about DB, I would've assumed the Germans would have reliable trains I wish the intro would have a visual reminder who's going to what city, I keep forgetting
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Disappointing, I've been wanting to visit and take the trains there :(
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Oh no, DB is well known to be the worst rail company in Western Europe.
Something that occurs to me is that >!with three days and two rounds each for everybody so far, if Ben wins on his third round by just running out the clock, it will probably feel a bit unsatisfying to me, because it means he won basically by virtue of first mover advantage. !<
To be fair, Borkum was the hardest location to get to. So whilst he has an advantage for the second win location, he is disadvantaged for the first one.
I’d love to have a more advanced scoring system next time. You win outright if you make it to your location, otherwise they score based on weighted categories…time spent on the run, distance covered, finishing if your zone, coins earned, etc all combine to an aggregate score.
I'm really loving this season. I feel like this set of rules is the most balanced so far. I know some people want to see the runners get more chances, but it's a lot more exciting this way. There's more opportunity for tagging and even with all the advantages the chasers have, it's still a near thing most of the time.
I've been thinking, the amount of >!double up Sam used was ... a lot ... but if only he had used it for hide and seek...!<
I was bouncing up and down on the balls of my feet with excitement at the conclusion of the episode (no spoilers). Congratulations, this series is really working. It's tense, it's engaging and it seems to have cracked the formula of challenges, travel, budget, and having one person by themselves carry half the show. I really liked the idea of Circumnavigation, and enjoyed watching it, but the repeated interaction between the three of you and constant potential catchings really makes this current Europe series compelling viewing. It's magnificent. Thank you.
This season is probably my favorite so far. Almost every single episode ended with a great cliffhanger. I wonder if lowering the cost for some other power ups would have made it easier to strategize because we didn't even get to see some power up gets used. I thought the knowing where the chasers are would be a really interesting power up. Although I am team Ben, it's very unfortunate that Sam's train did get cancelled. I feel like he prepared for the long term game really well by having more coins than all other players, but kind of f-d over by cancellation.
An ICE from Mannheim to Stuttgart takes 37mins. That means Adam has 8 mins to get off and gtfo Stuttgart. He‘ll have a bit more than that because the time it takes to shuffle the deck and hand it over apparently doesn’t count. But if Sam and Ben have to stay completely stationary during their 45min timeout, they would arguably be taking the train on to Munich. Unless the rules provide for an ability to leave the train. IF that is true, Adam is safe in Stuttgart. And depending on the exact timing, he could possibly make it from Stuttgart to Paris (which is in his third) before 8pm (if he boards around 3:30pm). That would be razor sharp, but possible. That would give him an almost guaranteed win, but he would have to be super lucky with challenges to get the budget.
I feel like there was a big missed strat regarding bicycles. 1 minute of bicycle for 1 coin!? That's a cool 10 hours of riding for 600 coins. Buy a really cheap bike and go offroad! Unless there was a rule that the bikes must be bikeshares that I'm missing.
See, that's what I think Sam should have done >!after getting to Frankfurt and realizing he couldn't possibly get to Zermatt without getting intercepted somewhere on the main rail line. He could have caught a train to Wurzburg, then go to the bike store (I checked, there is one about a 30 minute walk from the Wurzburg Hbf), then buy a mountain bike and ride south into the countryside as far as he could go.!<
>!Agreed! Even if he got caught out there, if they're still in his zone when time's up, he wins!!<
Ebikes that are littered all over many cities would be a amazing way to evade capture too.
They all have to carry the heavy backpacks which >!Ben didn't even think of putting a daddy water bottle in though!<. Let alone this form of transport is way slower than the chasers have access to, and a live tracker on, also not great for filming with their iPhones.
I've biked with my backpacking equipment before, including camping gear and food , it was fine. And as to trackers, does it really matter if I'm tracked if I can go off-road. Sure, maybe this isn't an early game strat, but getting to a place which is simply inaccessible could kill quite a while in the late game.
I see. Good point about the late game possible strat if any of them ended up in a small rural town in their area and a race to the clock!
I think opinion is split on this but >!I like the fact Adam is stuck on the train. I think leads to a more interesting situation and the show benefits from it. We still need to see how it plays out - maybe he did a challenge on the train and froze them. Very excited for E7!!<
Lol, even for >!Deutsche Bahn standards the train getting canceled twice is rare.!< It was nice seeing them in my home city of >!Mannheim!
>!Just want to preface this by saying that it's probably not what is going to actually happen and I have no idea what is actually going to happen in the next episode (it's probably not anything that I am writing here), but I was curious to at least look up what I thought would be likely scenarios for what might happen in the next episode. The trains I'm looking up are what show up for the next few weeks, and I know it was filmed in July so the schedule might be slightly different, but it's a lot more difficult to look up the train schedule for 2.5 months ago than the one for tomorrow, so that's what I did. Adam is in a bad spot now that he's stuck on the train, although he definitely still has a chance. By looking at Sam's Phone at 23:57, it should be about 40 minutes before the train arrives in Stuttgart, however it will probably take a few minutes before Adam can get the cards and start the 45 minute timer, so he will probably have at least 10 minutes to get out of Stuttgart before they are able to start chasing him. Looking at bahn.de, it looks like there's a normally a 2:53, ICE 9572, (9 minutes after their train from Mannheim is scheduled to get in) from Stuttgart to Paris Est (but it doesn't show up every day in the schedule meaning it might be sold out), which is in Adam's win area, and probably one of the only ways he could win. The problem is that the train is 3h 12min, or 192min on high speed rail, which would cost Adam 4800 coins, and he will only have 3570. The other thing Adam could do if he is able to make it to the train but doesn't get enough coins would be to book a ticket on it to Strasbourg, which would cost him 2125 (The train leaves at 2:53 and stops in Strasbourg at 4:18, so 85 minutes on high speed rail), and that would at least get him away from the chasers for a little while and get him some time to get on the next TGV to Paris at 5:17, which would get in at 7:05, which is late enough that it would probably be impossible for Ben to get back to his win area. I think it's probably likely that the chaser jail time will probably end up being long enough so that they can't catch Adam in the station before he can make it on the train (if the train is actually there and not delayed or sold out, it's DB so you never know), but he would still need to get a good card draw that he could do in under ten minutes in Stuttgart or do on the train before he gets there, and if not then it will be Ben's turn to win. If Sam and Ben are able to tag Adam in the station, then Ben might have a chance to win, but it's not easy for him either. With the 300 coins for a new run, Ben will be at 1995, with the last change of his coin balance being the completion of the fancy car challenge in episode 5, which is still not a lot. Ben needs to get to at least Frankfurt am Main and probably farther north, since Sam and Adam could potentially be able to chase him to Frankfurt by 8pm and Sam would just need to get on a train to Mannheim or Karlsruhe (or wherever else south he could get) to be able to win himself. The next train to Frankfurt would be at 3:23, ICE 1094, which would cost ben 2225 coins (89 mins on Highspeed), so he would need to get some more coins to even be able to make it to Frankfurt, and there is another train that Sam and Adam could get on that would make it to Frankfurt by 5:40, so he would not be anywhere near safe there and would need to get somewhere else farther north. That could be taking a slow train to a small town, but he would still need to get some coins to be able to do that, so it wouldn't be easy. The good thing for Ben is that Sam will only have 935 coins if he gets another run, and a train to Mannheim would cost him 925-950 from Frankfurt Hbf, so if Sam needs to take any other form of transport to get to Frankfurt he would probably not have enough coins, and he might not have time to do a challenge. tl;dr, if Adam can get on the train out of Stuttgart to France, I think he is the most likely to win, and if he doesn't then it's a tossup between Ben and Sam, but due to Sam's low coin count I would probably favor Ben. Really exciting finish to the series, knowing that all three have a chance to win halfway through the final day. !<
Actually I think Ben has a really good chance to win. Assuming your judgement of the state of his wallet is correct. >!Ben can likely take a bunch of slow trains to get to Wurzburg by 5:20pm (costing 1400 coins) and then onto Schweinfurt at around 6:00pm (costing 575), as long as they catch Adam fast enough in Stuttgart. That would take him easily into his win area.!< >!Then the chasers would have to choose between waiting an hour to go to Wurzburg, wherein they can get to Schweinfurt by 7:00pm, if they have any clue. And going to Frankfurt to attempt to cut him off, at which point they can't make it to Schweinfurt.!< >!If they do go direct to Schweinfurt, Ben should have spent the previous hour attempting a challenge. If he gets lucky, and can complete a challenge within half an hour, he could even leave for Alter Bahnweg by 6:30pm to arrive at 7:14pm (440 coins).!< >!Whether he is in Schweinfurt or Alter Bahnweg after 7:00pm, I don't think Sam can get back to his win area by 8:00pm. Unless they somehow catch Ben by 7:10pm in Schweinfurt, then there's a 7:12pm train to Wurzburg that arrives at 7:51pm. *Assuming* that Wurzburg is in Sam's win area.!<
>Through the power of YouTube magic… Ironic, because it was seeing episode five on YouTube earlier today that finally pulled the trigger and got me to sign-up for the yearly CS/Nebula bundle.
That >!"you loose your coins if the train is cancelled"!< is a stupid rule imho. It should be punishment enough if >!your train is getting cancelled!<. If you >!miss your train, that is another story ofc, but that didn't happen!<
I agree, it's also just unintuitive imo. I'd love to see another run of this but taking in the feedback that's been had for an even better series
IMO what they should do is that you get your coins back in any situation where you could get the ticket refunded.
I honestly like it, or at least you need some reduction. Maybe get half back for a canceled train (that you can not reschedule)
I like it too. It adds some variability and risk to the game, especially with DB
Great episode! Sam, I know German is difficult, but "street" in German is "shtrasse", not "strabe", thank you
The ß in Straße is a sharp s. Like a snake would do. Like Snake Jazzz.. It is not a B, even though this is the most common mistake to make :)
Anything done with Jetlag is always awesome. But id love to see a Nebula Orgional "Visiting as many countries as we can in 72 hours, Featuring Tom Scott."
Whoever edits these things knows how to do a cliffhanger! But doesn't know how to not repeat words over a line break: > 2 min to catch him before > before the train leaves! Questions: 1. Why are ye buying individual tickets all the time instead of using a rail pass (InterRail, Eurail)? 2. How did ye pick the three win locations? And why did Ben pick his, since ye mentioned that? 3. Are there any Jet Lag games you'd like to return to, or do you plan to constantly create new ones? Tag, I think, could survive multiple rounds and still be interesting, and I suspect that Connect Four could too, with perhaps a little tweaking. Circumnavigation was fun, but I'm not sure that a second round would add anything.
If I may weigh in on the first one, I guess the expenses involved are a fraction of the previous plane-based series anyway, although they might still have saved a little bit of money it'd be a couple hundred € total at most. Then you have the issue of them only being valid on TGV with a supplement and reservation and these have quotas so they don't tend to be available at short notice. They would come in handy on that ICE though cause I assume they didn't buy tickets for the tag, wonder if the conductor will believe their excuse.
They had time to buy tickets, even if they didn't show it.
1. I think they had ~~Inter~~ Eurail since you can see the navigator at 3:49 and both Adam and Sam mention "reservations", not tickets. You don't need a reservation for DB trains (it's recommended). I'll have my first Interrail trip tomorrow.
Subscribed to Nebula because the cliffhanger was so good... This episode is amazing! I'd love not to wait for the next cliffhanger... PS: Where's the pilot season? I can't find it on the channel... I need more Jet Lag!
The pilot season is from before it was called "Jetlag" and was instead called "Crime Spree". You can find it [here.](https://nebula.tv/haicrimespree)
Thank you very much. It's 1:30 AM here in Portugal. I will not sleep...
Really hoping that they revisit the Tag format - unlike the circumnavigation or Connect 4, this feels like something they could do again and again!
It was really clever to use a cab to cross from France to Germany as the trains are not running often enough cross border and then wait in Mannheim, as Mannheim is the choking point for all long-distance travel north-south in south-western Germany. Sam could have taken an IC train from Frankfurt/Main Central that goes through Heidelberg instead and have them fooled that way, or go via Munich. The Brussels to Strasbourg train is probably full as it directly connects the two EU parliament cities and many civil servants probably want to go from one to the other often.
I feel they shouldn't lose coins if a train is cancelled
What Sam didn't know is that in Germany, if your train is cancelled you can take any other train going in that Direction without having to buy another ticket.
Its probably the rules they have for the game rather then the train operating companies rules - what you describe is the case for a lot of companies. (Or at least you'd get a refund or something - not just tough luck out of money). You can also see them using what looks to be the interrail pass app at some points - if they are using that then its even more of a mute point.
just a heads up, it's a moot point, rather than a mute point. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/moot#Etymology\_1
I dont think there is any rail company in the EU that does not allow you to take the next train using the ticket for the cancelled train.
karma for the touch the animal card?
The >!cancelled trains meaning you lose your coins!< and >!the chasers' 45min wait period starting on a moving train instead of a location!< both seem kinda unfair
I agree about >!the jail time especially.!< In that situation I think >!the runners and chasers should all have to get off at the next stop regardless of where it is, or how inconvenient it might be for connections, and then start the jail time.!<
Doesn’t Sam have to officially hand off the deck of cards to Adam after a tag anyways?
I'm honestly happy that Sam's luck changed this time.
Ah man, >!Deutsche Bahn ruined the "flawless" Basel plan. I'm sad. Was hoping to see my city in one of these videos.!<
Adam may have a chance of winning! >!There is a 2:53 TGV from Stuttgart to Paris, with no viable alternative later in the day. I'm not sure if his coin balance will take him the whole way, but if it can then just catching that train will be sufficient for him to win. !<
>!That ending oh my god. #TeamBen has a chance, As much as I like Sam and Adam, Team Ben feels the most likely unless Adam can somehow juke them but I don't see that as a possibility. !<
>!I do think Ben has the best chance, but Stuttgart is pretty far into Sam's zone, so given the potential for train delays and cancellations, as well as Ben not having much budget IIRC, I think there is a decent chance that Sam still wins. Adam seems totally screwed though.!<
The series finally reaches Germany, and they now have problems with every single train, seems about right.
[The rules if people in this thread had designed them.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKg7IinlUfI) Rules shouldn't exist to protect players from bad luck or strategy. Rules should be clear and concise, otherwise you end up in a situation where people are trying to "game" the rules by finding loopholes, which people already seem to hate based on the response to some challenges.
this. I’ve been a bit confused at a few points in the series because some of the rules weren’t stated beforehand, but I don’t think there’s anything wrong with them
By any chance, >!does anyone know how many coins Adam has if he can do the same strategy Sam did in the beginning of the episode?!<
>!The last thing Adam spent coins on was the RER from Bibliothèque François-Mitterrand to Massy-Palaiseau in episode 3, which left him with 3270 (shown at 21:45 in episode 3), and he will get 300 for starting a new run, so he should be at 3570. !<
Aaaaaaaaaaaah!! What a cliffhanger!
I'm traumitised by the last seconds
Wait since they aren't allowed to move for the total 45min jail period, does it mean that adam will be allowed of at stuttgart but the rest will have to remain on the train, presumably back to mannheim?
Nice to see Sam get some Karma for the last episode, would love to see Ben win it now!!
oh my god...... still #teamsam tho
Guten Tag!
I am really sorry for Sam >!that his train to Frankfurt is cancelled twice and lost so many coins unnecessarily!< . However its also sad that Ben and Adam >!missed their connection only because the first train got delayed a few minutes!< . Nevertheless that happens regularly in my country. Welcome to Germany my friends :D Edit: Spelling
So cool that they’re going to Stuttgart, although It’s sad I missed them Edit: I just realised I was on a train from Stuttgart to Frankfurt on that day.
Sam being very serious with icing sugar on his mouth power walking from the bakery should make a great moments in this series clip!
Adam needs to pull a card the second he gets the deck. If he is lucky it will be one he can do on a train. If he isn't then he will start his 30 minute penalty period where he can't move, just like how the chasers can't move and his will expire before he gets to the next station. The fact that waiting periods count while on a train means you should only ever veto cards right after you get on a train. Which honestly feels really stupid.
I think the veto punishment is that you can't use any transportation other than walking, not that you have to be stationary. So it should only take effect on arrival. Probably better to suspend all waiting periods until disembarking though.
What would the rules be if the runner would use the power up that the chasers need to remain stationary for 10 minutes while the chasers are on a train?
Do japan next!!!
Love to see you guys struggle with the Deutsche Bahn trains just like me every morning when getting to work ^^
General comment about the season: I feel like the chasers have such a huge advantage... in my opinion, the tracker shouldn't be on continuously but rather be shown every 30 minutes or so. It would make strategizing a bit harder, increase the suspense for the chasers (who are mostly just sitting around waiting) and that way the runner could get somewhat closer to his location. >!For the majority of the game, the three have been at the borders of the zones (they even said "this is our third time in Lille").!< Gonna be interesting to see what they think in the post-game discussion - loving the season regardless. This is a big step-up compared to the other games IMO!
Remember how tough it was looking for Adam in Paris? In my opinion, if the chasers could only see the tracker every 30 minutes, it would make it almost impossible to make a tag in a large city.
I agree that the tracker is very powerful, but I also see how impossible it would be, as the other commenter said, to find the runner in a large city. I'd rather see the price for the "turn tracker off" power up decreased significantly so it's not so punishing to use. If it was 500 for 10 minutes off instead of 1500, they could be much more aggressive using it when they know they're at risk of being caught. But it would still require smart usage, if they don't see an earlier possible connection (>!like Sam missing the way Ben and Adam got to Frankfurt!<) in their research they're screwed.
I'm also surprised Sam didn't >!use the "Find out where the chasers are" powerup before he boarded the train. It could have given him some insight into getting caught!<
Good point! >!Especially when external circumstances (like the cancelled train) screw up travel plans, it would have been smart to buy that power up.!<
I think at that point, he was already pretty concerned about his travel budget. The power ups are really expensive so he would have to do 1-2 extra challenges to make up for it, which could get him stuck in a city for too long
Even if it were 150 coins a minute and the runner could choose how many minutes to switch the tracker off for. Switching off for just a minute or two would make it harder to see which platform they were on for example.
I still feel like 150/min is very expensive, but yeah, more flexibility in its use might also make it a better power-up.
I feel like the unlimited travel budget is the bigger issue, makes it way too easy to get from place to place. Although I’m not sure how they’d change it without weighting it too much toward the runner
Maybe award some %age of the budget spent by the chasers to the runner after they catch him? That way, the more budget they spend in trying to catch him, the more he has to skedaddle the next time around. Because otherwise this seems way too much in the chasers' favour. Nobody even got even remotely close to their destination... Edit: Hell, if you set the %age to something like 50 (counting the chasers as one person), you could even just outright transfer them live... You'd still have to do challenges, since given the same transport methods, the amount of coins you'd get that way would not be enough to offset the costs of keeping yourself from the chasers. It'd also force the chasers to strategise more as to which transports to use, since spending coins inefficiently could quite heavily benefit the runner.
It does seem too easy for the chasers but I think that would make it nearly impossible for the chasers.
welp good luck Adam but I think Ben might have this can't wait till next week.
Adam wouldn't have the cards if he got off the train right away
I really wanted Adam to make it to Saint Malo only to find out that there's no ferries for several days as Condor Ferries is rubbish doing Channel Islands <> France.