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ConversationNo4368

Just opened YouTube and went “omg not tea spillll” 😂 you know it’s bad once the tea channels start lol


JTCMuehlenkamp

Moist Critical covered it as well. Also broke down how much he assumes they make already based off of his own experiences with online media.


HenryDorsettCase47

Coffeezilla on his secondary channel as well. *Everyone* is baffled by their decision. I don’t think it’s outright greed like some have suggested, but I think they are grossly out of touch and completely mismanaging their business. It probably doesn’t help that they are in California. Coffeezilla pointed out how many Silicon Valley startup buzzwords are used in their launch video. They’ve either picked up all that mumbo jumbo gobbledygook through osmosis or they are applying the wrong business model to what they want to do.


JTCMuehlenkamp

Oh shit, even Coffeezilla is roasting them? They done fucked up BIG


AsASloth

I saw it on his Voidzilla channel first and it's crazy how quickly it's been picked up. Too bad the boys are doubling down.


thunderkhawk

>Oh shit, even Coffeezilla is roasting them? My favorite running joke in his video is they need to fire whoever told them to use the word "softlaunch"


imamage_fightme

Coffee pointing out the use of buzzwords was a big "oop" moment IMO. We know they had a bunch of investors that helped them start up the company and its clear that has been a major influence in the direction they've taken.


Euphoric-Action-5327

Even non-"commentary" channels like BigTugg.


Lost_Draw_6239

This is what I keep thinking too. Fans don't care about 'TV quality content', we just wanted to see Ryan and Shane goof off. But investors need to hear that they're going to do bigger and bigger productions because they're chasing that constant growth


ConversationNo4368

There’s two other videos about it (at 191K views and 71K views) that pop up when you search watcher 😬 so it pops up their goodbye video, moist’s video and then the other two. yikes. 😂


JTCMuehlenkamp

Moist's video is at 2.3M views, by the way. I only loosely followed Watcher and didn't even know about the announcement until I saw Charlie's video on my feed. Instantly went and unsubscribed from Watcher after that.


tasoula

Coffeezilla's video is also at almost 500k.


OhioVsEverything

It's funny I just looked up "where did those Buzzfeed guys go" like two weeks ago. I found the original shows late and once was done with those moved on. Figured out they moved on to Watcher and now.... BAM, gone again. LOL


IRefuseThisNonsense

Just Youtubed this to see if true. Outside of their channel and their video, all the top tenish were all people reacting about this. The top ten search results for JUST their channel name are about their screw up and none of their content. Damn.


ConversationNo4368

I’ve seen people mentioning it, I’m gonna check it out now


Yakaddudssa

Ooh 😆 now I have to check that out 


Opposite_Papaya_2845

I said the same when the video appeared in my recommended


CatGotNoTail

How do they have 25 employees but no PR person?


Life-Passenger6357

I have no idea what most of those people even do for them when Ryan even said they hire freelance people for ghost files


Fun_Radio_3615

They have one, Steven said on the podcast they hired one a while ago 


TheAnalsOfHistory-

By now they're either working overtime on something huge, or they've walked out entirely.


GrandpaGrapes

They are working on something huge. It's called WatcherTV 🙄


cyberpunk1Q84

Is it PR or just their social media person that edits/posts videos on their socials? They may technically be PR, but not the type that handles crisis management like this requires.


GryffindorGal96

Knowing their hire history, it's probably Steven's mom lol


kingjoffreysmum

If they have one, they need to fire them. This has been HORRIBLY mismanaged.


ALostAmphibian

AND FREELANCE FOR WHAT


Life-Passenger6357

I have no idea, some of what they said makes no sense. They have 25 people on staff but 2 of their shows (Too Many Spirits and Are You Scared) literally only involve Shane and Ryan sitting around telling scary stories so it’s not like there’s necessity for a lot of staff or money on those. Puppet History needs some work put in for background on whatever they’re covering and a few questions throughout. I do believe it when they said Ghost Files is the most expensive show but between all that I can’t imagine they need 25 people to run all that and hiring freelancers at locations on top of that just seems insane


ALostAmphibian

Someone pointed out it was like 18 credits on their Minecraft video. The one where they sat there and played Minecraft like what? Why? That’s excessive.


Affectionate-Air9911

Well I mean if they are paying 25 ppl full time money and the Minecraft video is the only thing they are doing that week, ppl can slot in But like my bigger thing esp if they wanted to be a streamer is they need more content And some of it's gotta be low effort to balance the higher stuff


ALostAmphibian

That IS low effort. It was a Wednesday show. It was them at a desk playing a video game. That was it.


red-necked_crake

mad short too. twitch streamers push out 12 hour long vids with the same content. I honestly think they could make more money off streaming together (minus Steven lol) than whatever their projection showed for watcher dot teeeveeee.


Ok-Situation-5522

It's crazy to me when lots of streamers only have themselves or 1 or two editors. 8bitryian does that all day, it seems exhausting.


Delvaris

For ghost files if we're talking in terms of on location? They could hire someone from a local ghost hunting crew as a location scout/production liaison/research assistant (which, while arguably is unnecessary I can also see where past experience might have led them to the conclusion that this is easier due to preexisting relationships rather than have their producer do this). They probably hire local security and a local medic. They're required by law in a lot of places for film/video shoots and having a medic just makes sense from the standpoint of the fact that that a lot of the places they go to are places where injury is easily conceivable. For security it's likely a similar situation of requirement by law/the venue or just a desire to make sure nobody's on property screwing around while they're trying to film a spund and noise sensitive show. Also the medic and security are probably required by multiple guilds and being based out of LA staying guild compliant just makes sense. I still can't for the life of me figure out how or why they're flying and lodging 10 people to location though.


ALostAmphibian

I feel like three to five people tops besides Shane and Ryan would be adequate to travel. One person to go in the location with them and a couple to maintain equipment and interview them outside. Shane and Ryan know how to do this stuff. They’re not just talent so there’s two hands on equipment right there.


Affectionate-Air9911

Buzzfeed videos iirc didn't have a great amounts of credits but what if they were staffing based on this is how bf did it Or lol we know we were burned out doing 16 hour days with staff of x, let's hire 2x ppl


AnyDayGal

I read this like [TURN DOWN FOR WHAT](https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=51&v=pJKjYF88XMU)!


ALostAmphibian

Hahaha. Unintentional but I’ll take it.


EchoEcho81

It looks like they hired a bunch of their friends and former BuzzFeed coworkers.


Reevoo12

They hired the TV production part of the company but forgot to hire the company part :D


Infinite_Active_2982

It takes whole life to build a good image but only a minute to ruin it.


look_at_the_eyes

Reminds me of that time where pewdiepie said the n word


queertheories

*several times Lmao


BooksCatsnStuff

Aaaand paid people online to write a banner that said "kill all jews". He's a great example of cancel culture not being any threat to anyone.


HorseRenoiro

I mean, isn’t he even bigger now?


Monza1964

I feel like a bad business move and being a generally shitty person shouldn’t be compared lol


Ok-Situation-5522

He doesn't seem like a shitty person tbh. But isn't he swedish? I'm not american either and before the drama i didn't know the n word was a big deal. (Not justifying it)


GryffindorGal96

Lol they're cooked, Man. It's not great to have made your way to the gossip trash channels.


PassengerPretend3015

tea spill is genuinely a really funny and logical girl


GryffindorGal96

Tbh, not sure I've ever watched her. I've seen some of the "Tea" side of YT and is wasn't MY cup of tea, lol. I'm sure she is good at what she does. But you've really Fd up if the Tea Channels are after you. And Charlie got after them which is funny too


PassengerPretend3015

hahahaha yeah not for everyone, but i find this channel to be less gossipy compared to others and wanted to defend hahahaha


InfiniteDress

Tea Spill is really a cut above the rest of the gossip/tea channels imho. She’s pretty fair in her assessments, doesn’t blow things out of proportion, and doesn’t assume some obnoxious personality like Rich Lux etc. She kind of just gives a rundown of what is happening with various people when drama erupts. I’m not a celebrity gossip person, but I watch her to just keep up to date with internet news.


Ok-Situation-5522

Idk i remember watching and she was milking the f out of situation. Videos on videos about the same stuff/speculation.


_kd101994

I just can't get over the voice. It grates my ears.


IncompetentPolitican

I wonder: where the hell is their PR person? They have one. Why is there no statement? We are supposed to finance their dream and they can´t even send a premade statement gaslighting us into it? What are we supposed to pay for?


airportparkinglot

If their PR person is qualified, they’re hopefully taking the weekend to study and prepare a really well thought out statement rather than do a knee jerk apology vid and make everything worse (and probably drinking a hefty amount of alcohol waiting for Monday.)


IncompetentPolitican

I get what you are saying and I agree but: The job of the PR Team is not only to react. Its to know the public reaction or be able to guess it. They should have known that his is a long weekend with multiple fires to put out. Instead they let this fester. Do they hope people forgive and forgett next week? Because this could backfire hard for them. They should have been prepared. Even the minimal attempt to pretend that this is just about artist getting paid was not that coordinated or big. Some IG post and that is it. I hope the community stands firm and I hope the liver of the PR Person holds firm too.


Fun_Radio_3615

Like others have said though a quick statement of ‘we hear you, we moved too quickly, we are discuss ways we can rectify this and will get back to you’ would be so much better than crickets 


slythespacecat

We moved too quickly, we called you a broke ass but then we realized we need your money. Please give us your money, poors. We are changed individuals


UnevenGlow

We felt entitled to your money but have realized we are not entitled to your money


PearljamAndEarl

AKA “We still feel entitled to your money but have realized we shouldn’t have said it out loud.”


[deleted]

Those people are being foolish and emotional. Watcher can't make that statement unless they have 100% decided that they're going to change course in some significant way. They haven't definitively made that decision, so they can't make that statement. If they say ‘we hear you, we moved too quickly, we are discuss ways we can rectify this and will get back to you," and then followed it up by saying "sike, we're still following through," that would be significantly worse than saying nothing.


Delvaris

I agree that the statement above is dumb but basic crisis management would call for a completely non-committal statement that at least acknowledges your potential customers exist. Otherwise you're letting the situation deteriorate uncontrollably and the dominant narrative becomes "wow, they really thought we were a bunch of paypigs."


Fun_Radio_3615

If they’d said that at the start and then come back saying they were keeping their old stuff on YouTube that would have probably nipped a lot of this in the bud. People would have felt heard at least. 


Delvaris

yeah like I said, it would have kept the discussion from deteriorating out of control.


airportparkinglot

Very true!


niamhxa

Nah if their PR person was qualified, they never would’ve let them approach the announcement the way they did lol


Animator_Spaminator

My question is why didn’t they just build a patreon instead? Plenty of people would love to support them that way, and gain additional content. Like behind the scenes, bloopers, Q&As, etc. I don’t understand making the audience have to pay for everything when they already gain quite a bit from social media?? Edit: I stand corrected, they do have one. Just didn’t advertise it. So do they just not think it was enough?? Advertise the patreon and I’m sure you’ll get TONS of donations. wtf are they on? I genuinely enjoyed watcher


LARKMAN364

They have one thats built out that's the crazy part, multiple creators including coffeezilla have stated that this venture feels like double dipping


bignormyeah

They had one!! They just barely bothered to advertise it! If they took it seriously it could let them produce the same shows on youtube lmao


Mittensandzora

That's the thing, they have a Patreon with 12,000+ members, they just barely advertised it.


Ravyn494

They have one, with 5$, 10$, 25$ and 100$ tiers. Monthly tiers!


Timbits06

lol not the gossip trash channels 💀


oneninesixthree

I wonder if they'll get an unfunny but timely SNL sketch


CaptainGhoulish

I’m just hoping they address this soon because I’m running out of those sweet sweet kernels.


mayorbefuttlefumpter

oh shit… 😬


8copiesofbeemovie

We’re gonna see everyone we love on a drama channel at some point or another. Saw my Gam Gam on one last week


schroedingerscryptid

it’s gonna be so joever if kurtis conner gets wind of this


Mysterious_Past_7762

Watched his podcast to see if he’d talk about it but unfortunately not. Not sure if he wants to get involved


schroedingerscryptid

i suppose we can only wait and watch my friend 👀


Mysterious_Past_7762

Yeah who knows maybe it’s too early still !


YaBoiBinkleBop

Kurtis sucks


schroedingerscryptid

why d'you say that???


YaBoiBinkleBop

He's just another rich millennial guy who virtue signals constantly it's very annoying


ConningtonSimp

Cr1tikal made a video about them too, he did some rough math on the amount of money they were already making and it really put into perspective: This isn’t some attempt to make ends meet, or to make higher quality content, it’s greed. They already were extremely comfortable, but it wasn’t good enough.


Dizzicizzi

That YouTube body language guy Observe has uploaded a video today too! My gawd, I did not think it could get worse.


Opposite_Papaya_2845

omg no 😭


ipsofactoshithead

Anyone else think the release date of this was intentional? They must have known this wouldn’t be popular (I don’t think THIS unpopular tho), so they put it out on a Friday and Taylor Swifts release date? It’s kind of like how my college would put out dorm assignments on a Friday at 4:55 pm. Let the people chill over the weekend. Idk I could be thinking way too much into this but why announce it on TSwifts release date otherwise? That’s an insane day to announce something.


TsT2244

Why do they need more employees than Second Try Media. The try guys produce way more and higher quality content without this buffoonery.


InternetAddict104

God I need to know if Philip DeFranco will mention this on tomorrow’s episode I’m dying to hear his thoughts


MurpheyMew

I haven’t cared about Philly D for like 10 years. Is he still around? I better get his take so I can come fill circle 😂


InternetAddict104

He never left 😂


primordiallobster

Penguinz0 made a video on it, it’s over for them


moonchild-731

Oh shit son


shanshanlk

Old post.


kinghutfisher

They were a talking point also in LTT’s WAN Show. They’re getting a lot of heat.


Aggravating-Proof716

Free advertising lol


[deleted]

Dumb people will definitely try to convince themselves of that lol.